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« on: 21-10-2007, 14:06:46 »
Soyuz craft lands short of destination By VLADIMIR ISACHENKOV, Associated Press Writer
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MOSCOW - A Soyuz craft veered off its designated landing course Sunday, coming down more than 200 miles short of its original destination on the steppes of Kazakhstan. It arrived safely, bringing two Russian cosmonauts and Malaysia's first space traveler back to Earth, officials said.

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A computer glitch caused the landing capsule carrying Russians Fyodor Yurchikhin and Oleg Kotov and Malaysian Sheikh Muszaphar Shukor to end up about 210 miles west of the designated site near Arkalyk, Kazakhstan, Russia's Mission Control spokesman Valery Lyndin said.

The craft arrived at 6:36 EDT — one minute ahead of schedule — and the crew was unharmed, he said.

Russian search and rescue teams quickly located the craft, NASA reported on its Web site. It said all the three crew members were feeling fine.

The spacecraft's descent was unusually steep apparently due to the computer glitch, and the crew was subjected to a higher than normal gravity load, Lyndin said.

Yurchikhin and Kotov were returning home after a six-month stint at the international space station. Sheikh had been at the orbital outpost since Oct. 12.

Russian Space Agency chief Anatoly Perminov said space officials and experts "experienced a few tense moments," but added that the crew was in good condition.

"All crew members have been recovered and they are feeling quite well," Perminov said at a news conference at Mission Control.

Alexei Krasnov, the head of the Russian space agency's manned space programs, said an official commission was formed to investigate the glitch.

"It's difficult to immediately name a specific reason behind the problem. We need to do an in-depth analysis," he said.

A similar problem occurred in May 2003 when the crew — Russian cosmonaut Nikolai Budarin and American astronauts Kenneth Bowersox and Donald Pettit — also experienced a steep, off-course landing. It then took salvage crews several hours to locate the spacecraft because of communications problems.

Yurchikhin and Kotov were returning home after a six-month stint at the international space station. Sheikh had been at the orbital outpost since Oct. 12.
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« Reply #1 on: 14-11-2007, 11:05:49 »
When Nasa first started sending up astronauts, it discovered ballpoint pens wouldn’t work in zero gravity.
To combat the problem, it spent a decade and $7 billion developing a pen that would write in zero gravity, upside down, under water, on almost any surface and at temperatures ranging from below freezing to 300 degrees.

The Russians used a pencil.
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« Reply #2 on: 14-11-2007, 12:01:56 »
a da si čito šta drugi pišu, video bi denunciranje te legende ovde: http://www.znaksagite.com/diskusije/viewtopic.php?p=117023&highlight=ballpoint+pens#117023

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« Reply #3 on: 14-11-2007, 16:42:09 »
kripl je, za razliku od tebe, oduvek bio vrlo selektivan; ne kvari ga sad iz pjur zavisti i zlobe.   :evil:

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« Reply #4 on: 14-11-2007, 17:42:41 »
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kripl je, za razliku od tebe, oduvek bio vrlo selektivan; ne kvari ga sad iz pjur zavisti i zlobe.   :evil:


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« Reply #6 on: 24-11-2007, 00:30:23 »
Snimci života na Mesecu!
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Američka kosmička misija otkrila je i snimila, iskrcavši se pre 40 godina na Mesec, tragove cilvilizacije na Zemljinom satelitu. U pitanju su drevne ruine veštačkog porekla, tvrdi bivši rukovodilac foto službe laboratorije “NASA” Ken Džonston. Predstavnici NASA zasad ne žele da komentarišu tvrdnje smatrajući ih neozbiljnim.

Bivši rukovodilac foto službe laboratorije “NASA” Ken Džonston tvrdi da javnosti nisu otkrivene sve tajne o Mesecu, do kojih se došlo tokom prošlih misija, pa je obelodanio sopstveno znanje o podacima koji bi mogli biti povod za novu kosmičku trku ka Mesecu.

Kako tvrdi Džonston, američka misija je, u vreme iskrcavanja na Mesec pre 40 godina, otkrila i snimila na površini Zemljinog satelita tragove cilvilizacije.

"To su drevne ruine veštačkog porekla" i "ranije nepoznata tehnologija upravljanja gravitacijom", izjavio je Džonston na konferenciji za štampu u Njujorku.

Te podatke vlasti SAD čuvale su u tajnosti, a Džonstonu je, kako je istakao, bilo naređeno da snimke uništi. On tvrdi da je ipak sačuvao nekoliko snimaka.

Američki naučnik je nedavno isključen iz programa Laboratorije za izučavanje reaktivnog kretanja NASA-e za popularizaciji kosmičkih istraživanja.

Džonston je iz revolta sve podatke dao autorima knjige "Tamna misija -tajna istorija NASA" koja je prošle sedmice objavljena u SAD i trenutno se nalazi na listi beselera magazina "New York Times".

Na konferenciji za štampu učestvovao je i jedan od koautora knjige, bivši konsultant NASA-e, poznati popularizator "svemogućih kosmičkih tajni" Ričard Hogland. Mnogo toga što su juče iz knjige od 550 stranica, opremljene fotografijama, predstavili Hogland i koautor Majk Bara, veoma je smelo.

Kako je predstavljeno, ne samo da je posada Apola tokom misije na Mesecu snimila ostatke konstrukcija građevina nepoznatih civilizacija no su na Zemlju i dostavili uzorke drevnih tehnologija što je izmenilo put istraživanja Meseca.

Hogland i Bara čak tvrde da je tadašnja vlada SAD zbog otkrića bila spremna da s Moskvom organizuje zajedničku misiju.

Pored toga predstavljeni su snimci površine Meseca napravljeni u periodu realizacije programa Apolo koji navodno potkrepljuju teoriju Hoglanda i Bara.

"Zahvaljujući začuđujućim tehnološkim otkrićima, koja je prema našim podacima napravila NASA na Mesecu u vreme programa Apolo i dostavila na Zemlju a zatim držala u tajnosti, nova trka, za razliku od prve (kosmičke) između SAD i SSSR za politički prestiž pre 50 godina, uticaće na život na Zemlji", izjavio je Hogland koji je i naučni konsultant telekompanije “CBS”.

Isto tako Hogland i Džonston ne isključuju mogućnost da SAD sada namerno forsiraju lansiranje šatlova da bi taj program bio realizovan do 2010. godine i da bi prešli na nove kosmičke aparate "Constelation" kojima će leteti na Mesec, računajući na objavu Rusije da će poslati kosmonaute na Mesec 2025. godine i tamo izgraditi bazu.

"Zašto u 21. veku postoji toliko interesovanje za Mesec a već 30 godina je taj program ignorisan. Možda je misija Apolo našla na Mesecu "nešto" veoma važno što je NASA zaboravila da nam kaže", navodi se u pres-materijalu podeljenom uoči konferencije, navodi ruska agencija.

Isto tako Hogland tvrdi da NASA ima još tajni među kojima je otkrivanje bespilotne letelice s mikrobima "Viking" na Marsu 1976. godine.

Međutim, tvrdnje da su na Mesecu otkriveni tragovi drevne civilizacije predstavnici NASA-e za sada ne žele da komentarišu smatrajući ih neozbiljnim.
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« Reply #7 on: 24-11-2007, 11:31:43 »
E ljudi ja nemogu da skrpim da odem do Nisa, a ne na neki tamo Mars...
Bas lepo sto u zadnje vreme posvecuju puno paznje proucavanju Crvene planete, ali se bojim da i iza ovog istrazivanja stoje nova razocarenja. Ali je ipak lepo biti vernik i cekati male zelene, ili pak crveve... :lol:
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« Reply #8 on: 17-12-2007, 12:02:31 »
Quote from: "sivka"

Američka kosmička misija otkrila je i snimila, iskrcavši se pre 40 godina na Mesec, tragove cilvilizacije na Zemljinom satelitu.


Ako su sve ono inscenirali u nekom studiju, nije ni čudo da su našli tragove života na tom "mesecu".  :lol:
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« Reply #9 on: 24-04-2008, 11:20:27 »
“A lovely old chap at the BBC who'd been in
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    That's all folks.”
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« Reply #10 on: 24-04-2008, 11:21:21 »
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« Reply #11 on: 18-12-2008, 11:53:53 »
Scientists seek ways to ward off killer asteroids
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Digg Facebook Newsvine del.icio.us Reddit StumbleUpon Technorati Yahoo! Bookmarks Print By Robert S. Boyd, McClatchy Newspapers Robert S. Boyd, Mcclatchy Newspapers – Wed Dec 17, 11:55 am ET AFP/NASA-HO/File – Artist's rendition released by NASA shows an asteroid belt in orbit around a star. Between 500 and … WASHINGTON — A blue-ribbon panel of scientists is trying to determine the best way to detect and ward off any wandering space rocks that might be on a collision course with Earth.

``We're looking for the killer asteroid,'' James Heasley , of the University of Hawaii's Institute for Astronomy , last week told the committee that the National Academy of Sciences created at Congress' request.

Congress asked the academy to conduct the study after astronomers were unable to eliminate an extremely slight chance that an asteroid called Apophis will slam into Earth with devastating effect in 2036.

Apophis was discovered in 2004 about 17 million miles from Earth on a course that would overlap our planet's orbit in 2029 and return seven years later. Observers said that the asteroid — a massive boulder left over from the birth of the solar system — is about 1,000 feet wide and weighs at least 50 million tons.

After further observations, astronomers reported that the asteroid would skim by Earth harmlessly in 2029, but it has a one in 44,000 probability of slamming into our planet on Easter Sunday , April 13, 2036 .

Small changes in Apophis' path that could make the difference between a hit or a miss are possible, according to Jon Giorgini , a planetary analyst in NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif.

``We have not eliminated the threat in 2036,'' Lindley Johnson , the manager of NASA's asteroid detection program, told the committee.

The academy panel is headed by Irwin Shapiro , a former director of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics in Cambridge, Mass. It has a two-part assignment from Congress : Detect and deflect asteroids that might hit earth.

First, the Shapiro committee is supposed to propose the best way to detect and analyze 90 percent of the so-called ``near Earth objects'' orbiting between Mars and Venus that are wider than 460 feet by 2020.

About 20 percent of these are identified as potentially hazardous objects because they might pass within 5 million miles of Earth (20 times the distance to the Moon).

More than 5,000 near Earth objects, including 789 potentially hazardous objects, have been identified so far. Johnson predicted that future surveys will find at least 66,000 near Earth objects and 18,000 potentially hazardous objects.

A collision with one or more of these many objects littering the solar system is inevitable, Johnson said. ``Once every hundred years there might be something to worry about, but it could happen tomorrow.''

For example, astronomers had only 24 hours' notice of a small asteroid that blew up over northern Africa on Oct. 7 . A larger, more dangerous object presumably would be spotted years or decades ahead, giving humans time to change its course before it hit.

The Shapiro panel's second task is to review various methods that have been proposed to deflect or destroy an incoming asteroid and recommend the best options. They include a nuclear bomb, conventional explosives or a spacecraft that would push or pull the asteroid off its course.

Offbeat ideas are painting the surface of the asteroid so that the sun's rays would heat it differently and alter its direction, and a ``gravity tractor, ''a satellite that would fly close to the asteroid, gently nudging it aside.

The earlier that a dangerous asteroid is found, and the farther it is from Earth, the easier it will be to change its trajectory, panel members were told. A relatively small force would be enough while the object is millions of miles away.

The year 2029 could be crucial. When Apophis makes its first pass by Earth, its track can be more precisely determined. That will enable astronomers to judge whether Earth will escape with a near miss or will have to take swift action to avoid a blow that could devastate a region as large as Europe or the Eastern United States .

To deflect an asteroid, scientists need to know its shape, weight and composition. A ball of loose rubble would be handled differently from a solid metallic rock.

``Finding them is one thing, but you have to know your enemy,'' said James Green , the director of NASA's Planetary Science Division.

So far, NASA has spent $41 million on asteroid detection and deflection, but the Near Earth Object Program is running out of money.

``It's just barely hanging on,'' Shapiro said.

Two expensive telescopes to focus on dangerous asteroids have been proposed, but Congress and the incoming Obama administration must be persuaded to approve the money.

``Without new telescopes, we'd never get to 90 percent (detection),'' Johnson said.

After a lot of original skepticism, Congress now looks favorably on the asteroid project, according to Richard Obermann , the staff director of the House Subcommittee on Space and Aeronautics.

``There used to be a high giggle factor among members,'' Obermann said. ``But it's now a very respectable area of investigation.''

Johnson told the Shapiro committee that the search for killer asteroids must have a high priority.

``The space program could provide humanity few greater legacies than to know the time and place of any cosmic destruction to allow ample time to prepare our response to that inevitable event,'' he said.
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« Reply #12 on: 18-12-2008, 13:24:01 »
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A collision with one or more of these many objects littering the solar system is inevitable, Johnson said. "Once every hundred years there might be something to worry about, but it could happen tomorrow.''


Izvini, ali ne mogu da se uzdržim. Tako je postalo dosadno na glavnom delu foruma.

Citiranoj budali (on računa sa Tunguskom eksplozijom) treba reći da je veća verovatnoća recesije u SAD nego takav sudar.

Jesi li primetio kolika masa ljudi živi od toga da nas plaši? Zar ti to nije sumnjivo? Ono, pas laje, a karavani...

Koliko lopuža na svetu kaže sebi: "Što da ne ukradem, opljačkam, uzmem mito..." ako Johnson kaže da ćemo sutra u katastrofu?
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« Reply #13 on: 19-01-2015, 10:15:10 »
  Mysterious Planet X May Really Lurk Undiscovered in Our Solar System



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"Planet X" might actually exist — and so might "Planet Y."
 At least two planets larger than Earth likely lurk in the dark depths of space far beyond Pluto, just waiting to be discovered, a new analysis of the orbits of "extreme trans-Neptunian objects" (ETNOs) suggests.
Researchers studied 13 ETNOs — frigid bodies such as the dwarf planet Sedna that cruise around the sun at great distances in elliptical paths.

 Theory predicts a certain set of details for ETNO orbits, study team members said. For example, they should have a semi-major axis, or average distance from the sun, of about 150 astronomical units (AU). (1 AU is the distance from Earth to the sun — roughly 93 million miles, or 150 million kilometers.) These orbits should also have an inclination, relative to the plane of the solar system, of almost 0 degrees, among other characteristics.
 But the actual orbits of the 13 ETNOs are quite different, with semi-major axes ranging from 150 to 525 AU and average inclinations of about 20 degrees.
 "This excess of objects with unexpected orbital parameters makes us believe that some invisible forces are altering the distribution of the orbital elements of the ETNOs, and we consider that the most probable explanation is that other unknown planets exist beyond Neptune and Pluto," lead author Carlos de la Fuente Marcos, of the Complutense University of Madrid, said in a statement.
 "The exact number is uncertain, given that the data that we have is limited, but our calculations suggest that there are at least two planets, and probably more, within the confines of our solar system," he added.
 The potential undiscovered worlds would be more massive than Earth, researchers said, and would lie about 200 AU or more from the sun — so far away that they'd be very difficult, if not impossible, to spot with current instruments.


 The new results — detailed in two papers in the journal Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society Letters — aren't the first to lend credence to the possible existence of a so-called Planet X.
 In March 2014, Chadwick Trujillo and Scott Sheppard announced the discovery of 2012 VP113, an ETNO that never gets closer to the sun than 80 AU. 2012 VP113 thus joined Sedna as the two known denizens of the "inner Oort Cloud," a far-flung and largely unexplored region of space beyond the Kuiper Belt (where Pluto lies).
 Trujillo and Sheppard suggested that the orbits of 2012 VP113 and Sedna are consistent with the continued presence of a big "perturber" — perhaps a planet 10 times more massive than Earth that lies 250 AU from the sun.
 However, the pair also stressed that other explanations are possible as well. For example, Sedna and 2012 VP113 may have been pushed out to their present positions by long-ago interactions with other stars in the sun's birth cluster. The objects may also have been nabbed from another solar system during a stellar close encounter.
 De la Fuente Marcos and his colleagues acknowledge the possibility of such alternative scenarios as well. The picture should get clearer as researchers study the orbits of more and more distant, icy objects, he said.
 "If it is confirmed, our results may be truly revolutionary for astronomy," de la Fuente Marcos said.

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NASA kaže: Na Marsu pronađena tečna voda
« Reply #14 on: 28-09-2015, 18:50:09 »
znam da ovo nije baš tako bitno i jako da ustalasa mase kao trejler za neki novi film ili trućanje o tome dal je bolji sf ili horor žanr, ali ipak, nek se nađe i ovo ovde - u neka davna vremena bilo bi prikladno za ovaj forum:


NASA: Na Marsu pronađena tečna voda

Nakon dugogodišnjih nagađanja i glasina, NASA je danas zvanično objavila da je na Crvenoj planeti otkrivena voda u tečnom stanju.
 
IZVOR:  PONEDELJAK, 28.09.2015.
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Kao što su mnogi i pretpostaljali kada su čuli vest da NASA danas organizuje konferenciju za medije na kojoj će saopštiti važno otkriće u vezi sa Marsom, na Crvenoj planeti je otkrivena voda u tečnom stanju.
 
 Naučnici su otkrili da na Marsu postoje kanjoni i zidovi kratera po kojima tokom letnjih meseci teče voda. To znači da su šanse da pronađemo neki oblik života na ovoj planeti mnogo veće nego pre.
 
Oni su uočili dugačak taman trag koji voda ostavlja na planinama na Marsu, a to je potkrepljeno i satelitskim snimkom koji možete videti ispod.
 
 Na njemu je uočljivo kako je gornji deo planine tamniji od donjeg, a naučnici su ustanovili da je to zato što se voda tokom letnjih meseci sliva niz planinu, dok su tokom jeseni i zime strane planine suve. Razlika u tamnoj i svetloj boji na dnu planine u stvari označava mesto do kog je voda tekla.
Neki stručnjaci već godinama iznose teorije prema kojima su tamne crte koje se javljaju na padinama Marsovih brežuljaka i planina tokom toplijih godišnjih doba (a nestaju tokom hladnijih) potvrda da tu ima vode.
 
 Voda koju je Nasina letelica MRO otkrila na Marsu mogla bi da nastaje otapanjem podzemnih santi leda koje nastaju u procesu u kom soli izvlače vlagu iz Marsove atmosfere ili iz podzemnih "rezervoara" vode.
 
 NASA je početkom godine objavila da je Mars u davnoj prošlosti verovatno imao veliko more slično Atlantskom okeanu, ali je vremenom 87 odsto te vode isparilo u svemir.
 
 Ako znamo da je život na Zemlji nastao u vodi, odnosno da je voda savršeno mesto za nastanak života, sve ovo povećava šanse da će naučnici na Crvenoj planeti možda konačno otkriti da je život tamo postojao ili da još postoji.
 
 U svakom slučaju, ovo je veliki dan za istoriju nauke.
 
http://www.b92.net/zivot/vesti.php?yyyy=2015&mm=09&dd=28&nav_id=1044863
 




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« Reply #15 on: 28-09-2015, 22:36:21 »
Ja sam učio u školi da je na Marsu pritisak svega 7mm živinog stuba, a kad padne ispod 47 voda isparava. OK, to se malo menja s temperaturom, ali nisam siguran da Mars u ovom trenutku, pri ovim atmosferskim prilikama (koje su retke kao da se popnete na 200 km iznad Zemlje, dakle, ideš, ideš pa se pojavi molekul vazduha)... može da ima vodu u tečnom stanju.

Sve ovo liči na kampanju da se prikupe dobrovoljci za samoubilačku misiju za Mars.
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Re: Idemo na Mars, idemo na Mars!
« Reply #16 on: 28-09-2015, 23:10:46 »

Sve ovo liči na kampanju da se prikupe dobrovoljci za samoubilačku misiju za Mars.

Iz tvojih usta Bobane u nasine uši. Baš bih voleo da se dokopamo Marsa i konačno imamo snimke s mesta.
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Re: Idemo na Mars, idemo na Mars!
« Reply #17 on: 28-09-2015, 23:36:22 »
Sve ovo liči na kampanju da se prikupe dobrovoljci za samoubilačku misiju za Mars.

ovo liči na komentatore sa b92 koji 'misle' da je ovo samo deo reklamne kampanje za predstojeći film MARSOVAC, kao deo šire pro-NASA propagande.

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« Reply #18 on: 28-09-2015, 23:47:10 »
ja mislim da kad odemo na mars, naci cemo Djoganija sa zelenim zenama,a to sto misle da je voda, to se popisali Srbi koji tamo ilegalno prave rakiju....nema tamo vode,,,samo rakija!

Kad NASA dokaze da tamo ima zivota, ja cu dokazat da tamo ima rakije!

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Re: Idemo na Mars, idemo na Mars!
« Reply #19 on: 30-09-2015, 21:18:50 »
Sad će se oglasiti Hristov namesnik na zemlji, Pape, proglasiće bulu Martius sacrum, kojom će svetu nedvojbeno dokazati da reka Jordan zapravo izvire na Marsu, što će značiti da zakoni astronomije i astrofizike nisu u koliziji sa zakonima Biblije, te da je voda Crvene planete uistinu sveta vodica, vrlo lekovita dapače, rimska kurija škropljenja radi svoje verne pastve imaće prvenstvo u eksploataciji ove tekućine na osnovu vertikalnog imovinskog prava: reka Jordan - Jovan Krstitelj krstitelj Hrista - Hristov namesnik The Pope - Mars izvorište Jordana, na veliko zadovoljstvo tisuća i tisuća franjevaca, Kroata, Španaca, Poljaka i ostalih vernih sinova svete katoličke matere crkve. Amin!


ALEKSIJE D.

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Re: Idemo na Mars, idemo na Mars!
« Reply #21 on: 14-12-2015, 09:48:50 »

Ima li zainteresovanih, osim Ridlija Skota, za snimanje spuštanja na Mars?
U vezi dileme da li je ovo stvarno Kjubrik, nađite fotke rahmetli Stenlija i uporedite raspored mladeža na desnom obrazu lika na snimku i na fotkama.

ali roku

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Re: Idemo na Mars, idemo na Mars!
« Reply #22 on: 15-12-2015, 22:32:46 »
pljunuti dr. dabic.
moving on my own trace

Meho Krljic

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Re: Idemo na Mars, idemo na Mars!
« Reply #23 on: 16-06-2016, 07:33:15 »
 Elon Musk provides new details on his ‘mind blowing’ mission to Mars



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Ever since Elon Musk founded a start-up space company 14 years ago, the goal has always been the same: Establishing a colony on Mars. Now he’s finally beginning to reveal how he plans to get there.
Starting as soon as 2018, Musk’s SpaceX plans to fly an unmanned spacecraft to Mars. The unmanned flights would continue about every two years, timed for when Earth and Mars are closest in orbit, and, if everything goes according to plan, build toward the first human mission to Mars with the goal of landing in 2025, Musk has said.
But in an interview with The Post this week, Musk laid out additional details for the first time, equating the spirit of the missions with the settlement of the New World by the colonists who crossed the Atlantic Ocean centuries ago. And he acknowledged the immense difficulties of getting to a planet that is, on average, 140 million miles from Earth.
The months-long journey is sure to be “hard, risky, dangerous, difficult,” Musk said, but he was confident people would sign up to go because “just as with the establishment of the English colonies, there are people who love that. They want to be the pioneers.”
Before those pioneers board a rocket, though, Musk said the unmanned flights would carry science experiments and rovers to the planet. The equipment would be built either by SpaceX, or others. The early flights also would serve to better understand interplanetary navigation and allow the company to test its ability to safely land craft on Mars.
“Essentially what we’re saying is we’re establishing a cargo route to Mars,” he said. “It’s a regular cargo route. You can count on it. It’s going to happen every 26 months. Like a train leaving the station. And if scientists around the world know that they can count on that, and it’s going to be inexpensive, relatively speaking compared to anything in the past, then they will plan accordingly and come up with a lot of great experiments.”


The mission is all the more audacious in that SpaceX is a private company without the resources of a government agency. NASA has previously said it would provide “technical support” for the 2018 mission, though not financially, in exchange for what it said was “valuable, descent and landing data to NASA for our journey to Mars, while providing support to American industry.” NASA is planning its own manned Mars mission with the goal of landing in the 2030s. But some in Congress have indicated they are inclined to steer the agency back toward a moon mission first.
SpaceX's 2018 trip would use what the company calls its Dragon spacecraft boosted into space by Falcon Heavy, a massive rocket powered by 27 first-stage engines. When it flies for the first time later this year, it would become the “most powerful operational rocket in the world by a factor of two,” SpaceX says on its website. Falcon Heavy would have more than 5 million pounds of thrust at liftoff, or about the equivalent of 18 747 airplanes.
The rocket needs to be big. The Dragon spacecraft would become the largest object to land on the Martian surface “by a factor of 10,” Musk said. That would make it one of the most ambitious Martian landings ever attempted—and difficult. Of the 43 robotic missions to Mars, including flybys, attempted by four different countries, only 18 have been total successes. The latest, a NASA mission, delivered the unmanned Curiosity rover that is currently roaming the planet.


Some have pointed out that Musk's timeline is exceedingly ambitious, especially considering SpaceX has yet to fly the Falcon Heavy or land Dragon by using its own engine thrust, which is a key component to landing in the relatively thin Martian atmosphere.
By the next launch window, in 2020, Musk said the company would aim to fly at least two Falcon Heavy rockets and Dragon spacecraft, loaded with experiments. “By that time there will be quite a few organizations … that are interested in running experiments on Mars,” he said.
Then in 2022, Musk said he hoped to launch what the company now sometimes refers to as the Mars Colonial Transporter, designed to bring a colony to Mars.
Musk declined to provide too many details, saying he would unveil the system at a conference in September. But he was clearly excited about the prospect and could barely contain himself.
“This is going to be mind blowing,” he said. “Mind blowing. It’s going to be really great.”
At another point he said: “I’m so tempted to talk more about the details of it. But I have to restrain myself.”