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Re: Otapanje leda na polovima
« Reply #900 on: 12-10-2018, 14:47:21 »
Da li odbijaš da čuvaš životnu sredinu samo zato što će neko profitirati od toga? Ili ne veruješ da je životna sredina uopšte ugrožena?

ЖивОзбиљан

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Re: Otapanje leda na polovima
« Reply #901 on: 12-10-2018, 14:50:28 »
Ni jedno ni drugo. prosto će lagati da su je opravili i da nije više ugrožena. Kao što sada lažu da je genocid na prs u dupe.

https://miltonfriedman.hoover.org/friedman_images/Collections/2016c21/Farmand_02_17_1951.pdf

Milton Fridman iz 1951. Javno mnjenje dovodi do promjene zakonodstva u etapama od 20 godina. Ako hoćete nešto da promijenite 2038. godine, počnite sada. E tako neoliberali oće nešto da muljaju s klimom pa su počeli s Alom Gorom da muljaju prije petnaestak godina. Taman prije genocida.

šta će mi bogatstvo i svecka slava sva kada mora umreti lepa Nirdala

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Re: Otapanje leda na polovima
« Reply #902 on: 14-10-2018, 11:46:35 »
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/oct/10/huge-reduction-in-meat-eating-essential-to-avoid-climate-breakdown

čisto da zvanično odustanem od podrške bilo kakvim ekološkim organizacijama

jer bez mesa nema bodibildea! 8-)
šta će mi bogatstvo i svecka slava sva kada mora umreti lepa Nirdala

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Re: Otapanje leda na polovima
« Reply #903 on: 14-10-2018, 11:52:24 »
To je genocidni akt.
Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. - Mark Twain.


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Re: Otapanje leda na polovima
« Reply #905 on: 02-03-2019, 02:31:06 »
Konačno neko ko iznosi nekakve kontra-argumente, da ugljendioksid nije toliko bitan, i čak ni loš u velikim količinama u atmosferi. Slabi su ti kontra-argumenti, ali treba ceniti trud. Autor je jedan od onih hrišćana koji veruju da je Bog Zemlju napravio savršenom, i da nema te ljudske sile koja bi mogla da pokvari zemaljske ekosisteme.

https://townhall.com/columnists/davidlegates/2019/03/01/its-not-about-the-climateit-never-was-n2542428

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Re: Otapanje leda na polovima
« Reply #906 on: 29-03-2019, 15:14:43 »
Apokalipsa, ako je verovati nekim od naučnika samo što nije. Evo jednog rada sa Stenforda:


Deep Adaptation: A Map for Navigating Climate Tragedy

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Re: Otapanje leda na polovima
« Reply #907 on: 15-04-2019, 04:57:52 »
Pace of Bering Sea changes startles scientists 
 
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In February, southwest winds brought warm air and turned thin sea ice into "snow cone ice" that melted or blew off. When a storm pounded Norton Sound, water on Feb. 12 surged up the Yukon River and into Kotlik, flooding low-lying homes. Lifelong resident Philomena Keyes, 37, awoke to knee-deep water outside her house.
"This is the first I experienced in my life, a flood that happened in the winter, in February," Keyes said in a phone interview.
 
 
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The Bering Sea last winter saw record-low sea ice. Climate models predicted less ice, but not this soon, said Seth Danielson, a physical oceanographer at the University of Alaska Fairbanks.
"The projections were saying we would've hit situations similar to what we saw last year, but not for another 40 or 50 years," Danielson said.

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Re: Otapanje leda na polovima
« Reply #908 on: 19-04-2019, 17:01:42 »
Starbucks Promised a Recyclable Drink Lid. Don’t Believe the Hype.
 
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The lids are made from polypropylene, only 5.1 percent of which was recycled in the U.S. in 2015, according to the most recent data from the Environmental Protection Agency. (Just over 9 percent of all plastics were recycled.) And that was before China, which had been processing most U.S. plastic waste, including polypropylene, stopped accepting the vast majority of such waste in January 2018.
 

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Re: Otapanje leda na polovima
« Reply #909 on: 25-04-2019, 07:43:09 »
Greenland is melting even faster than experts thought, study finds


Evo i linka do studije za one koji žele da piju direktno sa izvora nezagađenog žurnalističkom romantikom:

Forty-six years of Greenland Ice Sheet mass balance from 1972 to 2018

Meho Krljic

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Re: Otapanje leda na polovima
« Reply #910 on: 26-04-2019, 05:10:34 »
   Melting permafrost in Arctic will have $70tn climate impact – study
 
Da podsetim da su njihovi trilioni naši bilioni, dakle, hiljada milijardi.
 
 
Evo i studije za posvećenike: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019-09863-x
 


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Re: Otapanje leda na polovima
« Reply #912 on: 30-04-2019, 10:33:24 »
Zna se već za to. Zato je Tesla i počeo da razvija powerwall i powerpack baterije da bi ubrzao prelazak na solarnu energiju, jer tek kad imaš bateriju solarna energija dolazi do izražaja. Cilj je da se smanji cena solarne tehnologije toliko da može da zameni naftu i ugalj skoro svuda.

Meho Krljic

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Re: Otapanje leda na polovima
« Reply #913 on: 14-05-2019, 07:58:05 »
Impossible research produces 400-year El Nino record, revealing startling changes

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Melbourne: Australian scientists have developed an innovative method using cores drilled from coral to produce a world first 400-year long seasonal record of El Niño events, a record that many in the field had described as impossible to extract.

Meho Krljic

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Re: Otapanje leda na polovima
« Reply #914 on: 24-05-2019, 07:49:48 »
A mi mislili da mora da brinemo samo o ugljendioksidu i metanu kad ono - hlorofluorokarbonati nisu otišli, samo su se pritajili:

Ozone layer: Banned CFCs traced to China say scientists

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Re: Otapanje leda na polovima
« Reply #915 on: 05-06-2019, 10:39:16 »
Dva zanimljiva teksta. Jedan stariji, koji argumentuje da se globalno mora promeniti način ljudske ishrane kako bi se predupredile klimatske promene (nagađate, kroz redukciju konzumacije mesa):


Huge reduction in meat-eating ‘essential’ to avoid climate breakdown

I drugi, noviji, koji podseća da prebacivanje odgovornosti za predupređenje katastrofe na individue ne donosi korist:


You can't save the climate by going vegan. Corporate polluters must be held accountable.


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Re: Otapanje leda na polovima
« Reply #917 on: 22-06-2019, 02:11:38 »
Evo kontraargumenata za svaku moguću tezu klimo-skeptika. Ako nemate vremena da se raspravljate dajte im samo link, ali za živu diskusiju vredi znati sve što ovde piše.

https://grist.org/series/skeptics/

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Re: Otapanje leda na polovima
« Reply #918 on: 22-06-2019, 11:17:04 »
Kod nas je pec bila upaljena 2. 6.
A samo 2 mjeseca ne moras grijati
Znaci grijna sezona 9 - 10 mjeseci
Kad se smanji na 3 vjerovat cu u klimatske promjene
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Re: Otapanje leda na polovima
« Reply #920 on: 22-06-2019, 11:51:28 »
Ja sam jednostavan covjek
Vidim metar drva ostalo vise no prosle godine
Zakljucujem prema tome
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Re: Otapanje leda na polovima
« Reply #921 on: 24-06-2019, 09:19:17 »
Ponavljaš se. Daj neki drugi argument, da bih ti poslao neki drugi link.

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Re: Otapanje leda na polovima
« Reply #922 on: 24-06-2019, 10:14:47 »
Nema sta
Pobijedio si me.ja to nikad nisam sporio da me rasturate

Sad moras jos stotine milijuna drugih ljudi pobijediti od kojih desetine tisuca imaju stavrnu moc

Lako ti je trubu samarat i biti arogantan
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Re: Otapanje leda na polovima
« Reply #923 on: 24-06-2019, 11:06:56 »
Interesantno, a ja pa mislim da si ti taj koji mene arogantno smara. Ne interesuje te šta kažu klimatolozi, stručnjaci na temu klimatskih promena, nego uporno teraš po svom nestručnom mišljenju. To što ignorišeš struku čini te arogantnim, a to što si uporan čini te smaračem.

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Re: Otapanje leda na polovima
« Reply #924 on: 24-06-2019, 13:28:21 »
Kako me ne interesira
Pa procitao sam dio koji me zanima
100% su u pravu
Kao i ovi moji koji smatraju da su ti u zabludi
80% si u pravu a 90%nisi
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Re: Otapanje leda na polovima
« Reply #925 on: 24-06-2019, 13:29:02 »
I nije smarat nego šamarat
Argumentima tako da ti je unos besmislen poput mog odgovora
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Re: Otapanje leda na polovima
« Reply #926 on: 24-06-2019, 14:00:23 »
Da presečemo s nečim svežim 'n' senzacionalističkim. U prilog tezi da smaranje ljudi oko korišćenja palstičnih slamki za pijenje soka najviše doprinosi da se zaboravi koje STVARNO, efektivno odgovoran za najveći deo zagađenja (a koje je i u vezi sa, jelte, promenom klime), spiska 100 menadžera kompanija koje su odgovorne za 70% svih emisija gasove koji proizvode efekat staklene bašte. Naravno "100 ljudi je krivo za svu našu nesreću" jeste namerno pojednostavljenje radi dojma itd. ali ovo je svejedno zgodno imati na umu kad pomislimo da bi to što smo danas poneli zembil u samoposlugu umesto da uzmemo kesu znatno uticalo na situaciju kada bi samo i naše komšije radile isto:

Names and Locations of the Top 100 People Killing the Planet

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Re: Otapanje leda na polovima
« Reply #927 on: 24-06-2019, 15:08:09 »
Ja mislim da zene sa svojim mirisalicama i sminkama stete vise no muski
Muski smrde i prde...al nedovoljno ko 5 kila mirisa
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Re: Otapanje leda na polovima
« Reply #928 on: 30-06-2019, 06:26:49 »
It turns out planes are even worse for the climate than we thought
 
Nisu kemtrejls, nego kontrejls, jelte, ali evo šta studija kaže:
 
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The contrails left by aeroplanes last only hours. But they are now so widespread that their warming effect is greater than that of all the carbon dioxide emitted by aeroplanes that has accumulated in the atmosphere since the first flight of the Wright brothers.
 
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Altogether, flying is responsible for around 5 per cent of global warming, the team says, so this figure will soar even higher – and no meaningful actions are being taken to prevent this.                     
 

 
Evo same studije: https://www.atmos-chem-phys.net/19/8163/2019/

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Re: Otapanje leda na polovima
« Reply #929 on: 05-07-2019, 07:46:38 »
We’ve already built too many power plants and cars to prevent 1.5 ˚C of warming

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In a sequel to that paper published in Nature today, researchers found we’re now likely to sail well past 1.5 ˚C of warming, the aspirational limit set by the Paris climate accords, even if we don’t build a single additional power plant, factory, vehicle, or home appliance. Moreover, if these components of the existing energy system operate for as long as they have historically, and we build all the new power facilities already planned, they’ll emit about two thirds of the carbon dioxide necessary to crank up global temperatures by 2 ˚C.
If fractions of a degree don’t sound that dramatic, consider that 1.5 ˚C of warming could already be enough to expose 14% of the global population to bouts of severe heat, melt nearly 2 million square miles (5 million square kilometers) of Arctic permafrost, and destroy more than 70% of the world’s coral reefs. The hop from there to 2 ˚C may subject nearly three times as many people to heat waves, thaw nearly 40% more permafrost, and all but wipe out coral reefs, among other devastating effects, research finds.

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Re: Otapanje leda na polovima
« Reply #930 on: 05-07-2019, 07:49:43 »
I odmah u produžetku:


India staring at a water apocalypse

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“Even if we look at the best case scenario, which means limiting global warming by 1.5C, we are looking at a 36% loss of glaciers,” said Mukherjee, whose fellow  editors of this seminal study are Phillipus Wester, Arabinda Mishra and Arun Bhakta Shreshtha. The four work at the Integrated Centre for Integrated Mountain Development (ICIMOD), based in Kathmandu, Nepal.

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Re: Otapanje leda na polovima
« Reply #931 on: 07-07-2019, 05:01:54 »
  Record-breaking temperatures for June
 
Članak ima ilustrativne grafikone koji ako ništa drugo pokazuju konstantan rast prosečne temperature.
 
 
 
S druge strane, evo nešto optimistično:
 
    Tree planting 'has mind-blowing potential' to tackle climate crisis  

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Re: Otapanje leda na polovima
« Reply #932 on: 11-07-2019, 08:10:29 »
Learning from mistakes in climate research

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Among papers stating a position on anthropogenic global warming (AGW), 97 % endorse AGW. What is happening with the 2 % of papers that reject AGW? We examine a selection of papers rejecting AGW. An analytical tool has been developed to replicate and test the results and methods used in these studies; our replication reveals a number of methodological flaws, and a pattern of common mistakes emerges that is not visible when looking at single isolated cases. Thus, real-life scientific disputes in some cases can be resolved, and we can learn from mistakes. A common denominator seems to be missing contextual information or ignoring information that does not fit the conclusions, be it other relevant work or related geophysical data. In many cases, shortcomings are due to insufficient model evaluation, leading to results that are not universally valid but rather are an artifact of a particular experimental setup. Other typical weaknesses include false dichotomies, inappropriate statistical methods, or basing conclusions on misconceived or incomplete physics. We also argue that science is never settled and that both mainstream and contrarian papers must be subject to sustained scrutiny. The merit of replication is highlighted and we discuss how the quality of the scientific literature may benefit from replication.


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Re: Otapanje leda na polovima
« Reply #934 on: 12-07-2019, 14:07:27 »
Evo me na moru smrzavam se
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