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(samo najpoznatija ostvarenja)
LAST HOUSE ON THE LEFT
THE HILLS HAVE EYES
DEADLY BLESSING
SWAMP THING
A NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET
WES CRAVEN'S NEW NIGHTMARE
SCREAM
SCREAM 2
SCREAM 3

Oni koji glasaju neka obrazlože zašto im se odabrani film dopada.

Meni se lično najviše dopada STRAVA U ULICI BRESTOVA. Prosto, dala je najoriginalnijeg negativca kojeg sam ikada video - baja napada iz snova. Drugo, STRAVA je osvežila "mad-slasher" podžanr koji je započet sa NOĆI VEŠTICA. Treće ovo mi je najoriginalniji film natprirodne strave, snimljen u osamdesetim godinama, koje uglavnom karakterišu "grafički" filmovi.

Opasno iza ovog filma su mi VRISAK i BRDA IMAJU OČI, ali STRAVA je prosto nenadmašna u svojoj viziji.

Zanimljiv izbor, Gavro. Meni se WES CRAVEN'S NEW NIGHTMARE zaista sviđa (pravi pravcati anti-nastavak i po nekim opservacijama dobar uvod za SCREAM i SCREAM 2), ali su mi originalni film, SCREAM i HILLS kompletniji i bolji.

Ipak, potez do jaja. Stvarno neočekivano. Napiši koju o tome zašto si odabrao baš taj film. Mislim da on sam zaslužuje posebnu diskusiju.

Inače, NEW NIGHTMARE ima dosta paralela sa IN THE MOUTH OF MADNESS - poslednjim Karpenterovim delom koje zaslužuje da bude iole pomenuto. Ako ga nisi gledao, daću ti ga, pa da otvorimo raspravu o tome kako NEW NIGHTMARE i IN THE MOUTH posmatraju istu stvar.

I ja sam bio prijatno iznenadjen kad sam posle gomile neoriginalnih nastavaka pogledao " The new nightmare"... Zaista osvezavajuc pristup celoj seriji...Jos onaj cameo Roberta Engluda u studiju- fantasticno...
Ivan

the new nightmare je odredio Vrisak.
to je prvi pravi postmoderni horror film. usto, ima i poentu na ceo 'keep kids away from blood-infused horror movies' censorship.
fenomenalno je reziran, ima par genijalnih sekvenci, i scenario je sjaaaaaaajan.
plus, fredi postaje IT u ovom filmu.

mada, meni su i skoro svi nastavci super, a narocito sestica  

Quote from: "Spider Jerusalem"the new nightmare je odredio Vrisak.

U potpunosti se slazem.

krejven je jedini od starih majstora iz 70ih koji jos uvek nije izgubio ono nesto, i koji i pored povremene budalastine ume da napravi vredan film. neki su pukli, kao karpenter i huper, neki potonuli kao l.koen, neki presli u druge zanrove kao kronenberg i de palma (koji nikad nije ni bio bas neki horordzija) - krejven jedini od ovih jos ima remek dela u sebi i nije za otpisivanje. (kronenberg je suvi genije i prica za sebe, na zalost odavno nista sto je potpisao nije horor...)
steta sto je krejven umesto najavljenog rimejka PULSA (odlican japanski horor) uzeo da radi film o vukodlacima CURSED po sc. k. williamsona (scream). no uy efekte rika bejkera, to ce biti makar solidno...

zar on ne treba da radi Alice, po video igrici ljudi koji su prethodno radili "Clive Barker's "Undying" " ???

NEMAN ISTA OD ALICE, BAR NE U KREJVENOVOJ REZIJI. OVO S VUKODLACIMA JE SIGURNO, SNIMA SE JANUARA.

USPUT, CINJENICA DA SAM SKROZ ZABORAVIO DA POMENEM ROMERA MEDJU ONIMA IZ 70-IH DOVOLJNO GOVORI- ON IDE U KATEGORIJU 'ZABORAVLJENIH'. BOJIM SE DA JE I ON PUKO, AKO JE SUDITI PO BRUISERU I PO VRLO NEOBECAVAJUCIM RECENZIJAMA SCRIPTA ZA 'DEAD RECKONING' (CETVRTI ZOMBI)- MOZDA JE ION ZA U PENZIJU.

Eh, da, jedna stvar me ipak buni.
Zasto se trazi (insistira) od nekog umetnika da ceo zivot radi remek-dela?
Otkad je umetnost postala matematicka ili statisticka sredina pa je bitno biti sto bolji u sto vise dela u kontinuitetu?
Zar ne bi bilo posteno da se pamte samo vrhunska dela nekog autora i da se zanemaruje sto je u kasnijim godinama rada napravio gomilu propusta i sranja?
Zar ne bi bilo korisnije sastaviti (ili pokusati sastaviti) listu od npr. 10 (20, 50...) horor filmova bez obzira na autora, godiste i podzanr... i onda to prezentirati u formi clanka sa preporukom za nadolazece generacije sta je neophodno odgledati da bi se stekao najbolji uvid u dosadasnja dela horora, ista stvar moze da bude i sa knjigama, SF-om, fantazijom ili bilo cime drugim. Postoje neka reperna, nezaobilazna dela i zar je bitno npr. da Silverberg ima 200 romana koji nisu SF a pritom su i djubre, ako ima jedno "Umiranje iznutra" ili "Knjigu lobanja"?
U kakvoj postavci ili rasporedu bitnih filmskih horor ostvarenja XX veka Romero moze da bude zaboravljen i zapostavljen?

Romero nikad nece biti zaboravljen od mene – kako i bi kad je DAWN OF THE DEAD moj by far najomiljeniji horor film svih vremena (i to ne zbog krvolochnih, 'morbidnih' scena, kako Boban verovatno i dalje bira da misli, a ja ga necu razuveravati...). I ne samo od mene, nego od bilo kog iskrenog ljubitelja horora. Bez zombi trilogije i MARTINA ne moze se ni poceti prica o modernom horor filmu.
Zaboravljen je od strane producenata, koje celu deceniju moli i preklinje za jebenih 10 miliona dolara (sto je ultra nizak budget za Amer. uslove) kako bi snimio svoj testamentarni zombi film.
 A posto smo vec raspolozeni za cepidlacenje, Romero ne da ne sme biti nepomenut u 'postavci ili rasporedu bitnih filmskih horor ostvarenja XX veka' (ne pomenut, nego ISTAKNUT) = on odavno, i bas zbog NIGHT OF THE L.D. ima svoje veoma vazno u svakoj prici o filmskoj umetnosti druge polovine xx veka, BEZ OBZIRA NA ZANR...dakle, se samo u kontextu horora.

Nije cepidlacenje, ali zar upravo Romero nije BORAC PROTIV ZLA, zar upravo njega uopste ne zanimaju motivi zla, cak ni odakle dolazi i kakav mu je smisao, vec se bavi ljudima okruzenim zlom i nacinima da se to zlo nadvlada. On nema razumevanja za zlo, ne vivisecira ga, ne preispituje, samo zeli da ga potisne.
Kako se to uklapa u tvoju podelu na zapadnjacki i slovenski pristup hororu?

Hmm...

Romero posmatra "zlo" (nigde nisam primetio da koristi termin zlo) u nama samima i istrazuje njegove korene. A te korene trazi u odsustvu komunikacije. Krajnje realno. Zato mi uz Kronenberga i jeste omiljeni filmski autor - prica neke tuzne istine o ljudskom rodu.

Bobane, ti pomenu Silverberga, coveka koji mi je umnogome promenio pogled na svet. Objavio si tri njegova izuzetno znacajna romana: Vreme promena, Knjiga lobanja i Umiranje iznutra (knjiga o zivotu; knjiga za Nobela, bas kao i Leva ruka tame). E sad, oduvek sam zeleo da u tvojoj ediciji procitam roman Bodlje (Thorns), za koji se smatra da stoji rame uz rame sa pomenuta tri.

Kazu da je Silverberg napisao gomilu sranja, ali i desetak nadprosecnih do izuzetnih dela. Zivkoviceva enciklopedija, osim Bodlji, pominje Stakleni toranj, Svet iznutra, Zamak Lorda Valentajna (bez nastavaka, samo bez nastavaka) i Stohasticki covek (ovo nabrajam iz glave). Da li si citao ove knjige? Imas li plan da objavis nesto od toga?

Na zalost, nisam ove naslove nasao na engleskom. Zato pomagaj.

Wes je genije i time je sve receno!
Samo je jedan veci od njega a to je Mr.David Lynch!

obožavam film Scream
jednostavno
Vrisak smatram jednim od najboljih filmova

volim podžanr "horor" filmova slešera gdje nepoznati počinilac ubija
tinejžere
i na kraju gastigne zaslužena kazna

Imao je Ves svojih svijetlih trenutaka a bogami i tamnih.THEY je vise od razocarenja

http://ljudska_splacina.com/2010/05/nightmare-on-elm-street-1984.html

Dobro, postavio si link na ovom topiku, na onom o najčešće gledanim filmovima, zatim na Fejsbuku, ja te molim da nas još informišeš preko centralnog Dnevnika, da budemo sigurni

Quote from: Harvester on 01-05-2010, 20:06:22
Dobro, postavio si link na ovom topiku, na onom o najčešće gledanim filmovima, zatim na Fejsbuku, ja te molim da nas još informišeš preko centralnog Dnevnika, da budemo sigurni

ne kenjaj.
rastko pocesta ima rezervisan termin.

http://outlawvern.com/2010/05/03/wes-cravens-new-nightmare/#more-7229

Quote from: Ghoul on 01-05-2010, 19:05:15
http://ljudska_splacina.com/2010/05/nightmare-on-elm-street-1984.html

Zar razlog one mutave finalne makljaze ne lezi u tome sto Nancy izvodi Freddyja iz njegove "komfort zone"? I sto Nancy na neki podsvjestan nacin shvaca da ona u biti kontrolira svoje snove?

nisam ni rekao da nema razloga.
razlog je dat.
moj problem je (donekle) u inscenaciji toga, u onome što je s tom idejom urađeno (ta krejvenova blentava opsesija bubi-trepovima, recimo, koju vuče još od HILLS HAVE EYES!), a što se opasno primiče trivijalizaciji čitavog prvobitnog koncepta i njegovom svođenju na tom i džeri slepstik akciju.

Pardon. Preletila sam tekst. U pravu si. Lice i nalicje sam povrsnosti. 

nema veze.
za žene ne primenjujemo parametre koje koristimo za one koji imaju makar potencijal intelekta.

Samo ti likuj, buljavi, rijetko ti se pruza prilika.

ko o čemu, ti o mojoj bulji...
baš si kinky!

Quote from: Ghoul on 04-05-2010, 03:00:28
ko o čemu, ti o mojoj bulji...

Zato sto je slabo povezana s ostatkom tebe, sto pogotovo dolazi do izrazaja dok ispisujes poruke na ovom forumu.

Quote from: Ghoul on 04-05-2010, 03:00:28baš si kinky!

:treptrep:

Quote from: Meho Krljic on 01-09-2015, 19:21:58

Quote from: Ghoul on 01-09-2015, 18:18:09

Quote from: Meho Krljic on 01-09-2015, 16:56:15
Da, ni ja nisam voleo Elm Stritove, meni je Fredi uvek bio karikatura slešer negativca

činiš čestu, klasičnu grešku (zato te mase vole, što razmišljaš ko one!) - gledaš prvi film u svetlu nastavaka (koje krejven nije radio - izuzev nešto sitno treći, kao koscenarista) koji su od fredija napravili varijanty crypt keepera sa stalnim pošalicama i kreveljenjem.
toga u prvom delu - krejvenovom! - ima VRLO malo, i lepo je uklopljeno sa stravom.
toga, takođe, ima još manje, u poslednjem delu - krejvenovom! - odnosno u new nightmare.

Masa ljubavi i ljubav masa - jedine dve moje slabosti. 

Seriously though, Jedini NOES koji sam pogledao u celini je bio original - Krejvenov!!!!!!!! Drugi i treći sam pokušao da gledam i odustao. Četvrti sam samo vido trejler i odusto, mada iz ove perspektive, ipak je to Reni Harlin, možda mu jednom treba dati šansu.

Verujem ja da je Fredi u prvom delu kulturniji ali mi je i dalje bio suviše kempi čak i u odnosu na veseli tandem Džejsona i Majkla.

Srpent end d rejnbou je već druga priča. To bih volio da repriziram. I tu se sećam određene količine kampovanja ali je taj film kampovao na boljim mestima a srž priče mi je delovala ozbiljnije i prijemčivije.

Skrim mi se, kontrari tu ol lodžik - dopao. Mada jeste bio na par koraka od braće Uajans, ali opet, videla se tu ruka starog majstora.

zaista jezivi propust: TREĆI košmar je obavezna lektira, to je sjajan film!
ja volem i 4. i 5. deo, sa svim nužnim ogradama da su tu likovi i storilajnovi nebitni, površni i glupi - svejedno, ima tu fascinantnih set-pisova i efekata (praktičnih, of kors: vintage 1980s!).

ZMIJU I DUGU sam repriziro pretprošle noći, u čast i pomen geniju - ukratko, tu je pojedinačno drveće daleko veće i važnije od šume, politika i veći deo podtexta su naivniji nego što ih pamtim, ustupci hororu čak i tamo gde im mesto nije mestimično su preveliki - ali FUCK, kako tu genijalnih prizora i scena ima!

noćas/jutros sam ponovio i LJUDE ISPOD STEPENIŠTA, i moram reći da mi se on slabije drži nego što ga iz 20. veka pamtim.

SKRIM je izuzetan slešer - ali i na njega često po automatizmu bacaju drvlje i kamenje zbog nastavaka i epigona, za koje on nije kriv.

Da, Skrim je pokrenuo talas po-mo slešera od kojih ni jedan nije imao njegovu režisersku eleganciju. Ali original je bio prilično osveženije.

moj omaž velikanu:




http://ljudska_splacina.com/2015/09/ves-krejven-1939-2015.html

How Wes Craven Freaked Us All Out With That Opening Scene of 'Scream'

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This week, Hollywood lost one of its greatest creators of modern horror, Wes Craven, who passed away on Sunday at the age of 76. In tribute, let's look back on one of Craven's finest career moments: the opening scene of 1996's Scream. Those 13 terrifying minutes include all the ingredients that would make the movie a classic: Macabre humor, self-aware references to other horror films, over-the-top violence, and most importantly, the element of surprise. "It was our way of saying: 'Hold onto your hats. Anything can happen in this movie,'" producer Cary Woods told the New York Times in 1997. The opening scene of Scream — including the unexpected, gory death of the film's biggest star— electrified audiences and critics, helping Scream to become one of the most talked-about and profitable films of 1996. Almost twenty years later, that brief scene of a teenage girl in peril is routinely discussed in film courses and referenced in other media – most recently, a tribute on MTV's Scream television series.  Here's the inside story of how Scream's iconic, nightmarish firstscene came to be. (Warning: spoilers.)
Related: Remembering Wes Craven's Most Terrifically Terrifying Movies
In the opening moments of Scream, the audience sees a teenage girl, Casey Becker (Drew Barrymore), alone in an upscale suburban kitchen, making herself popcorn on the stove. She begins to receive phone calls from a deep-voiced stranger, which at first seem like a prank. But the calls transition into something more sinister when the caller asks Casey the infamous question, "Do you like scary movies?" Soon it's revealed that the unseen caller is playing a sadistic game with Casey, and before the scene is over, a masked killer later dubbed Ghostface has stabbed both Casey and her boyfriend (who was en route to her house for a movie night) in her own front yard. The last shot the audience sees of Barrymore is her character's bloody body hanging from a tree.


Written by screenwriter and Dawson's Creek creator Kevin Williamson, that unforgettable scene initially gave Craven pause. Best known for A Nightmare on Elm Street, the director was reluctant to return to the slasher genre and turned Scream down — twice. "I read the opening of Scream, and it was just brutal. And I thought, 'I can't kill another poor girl!'" Craven said on Fangoria TV's Screamography in 2006. Eventually, the frightening but irreverent script — which told the story of high school students being stalked by a masked killer, with plenty of meta-commentary and ironic humor about the horror movie genre —won Craven over, and he signed on to the project.
At that point, the movie already had its lead actress...or so Craven thought. Drew Barrymore had signed on to play Sidney Prescott, the resilient "final girl" ultimately portrayed by Neve Campbell. Barrymore's participation led directly to Scream getting the green light from Miramax, but after Craven signed on, she called the producers to request a change. "Drew called and was like, 'I don't want to be Sidney. I have this great idea:  I want to be Casey,'" producer Cathy Konrad recalled in the documentary Still Screaming, released as part of the 2011 Blu-Ray set. Barrymore later told EW that the opening scene was her favorite part of the script, saying, "The first scene was really reminiscent to me of When A Stranger Calls, like these great things that left you wanting more." Barrymore's change of heart pleased Williamson, who (according to his DVD commentary) thought that a big-name actress would add shock value to the opening. Indeed, Alfred Hitchcock had used the same trick to famous effect in 1960's Psycho, stunning audiences when lead actress Janet Leigh's character was murdered halfway through the film.
Producers re-cast the role of Sidney with Campbell, and Craven began working with Barrymore to develop the character of Casey. "Casey's demeanor was very relaxed. She's barefoot, and I remember the day I came up with that," Barrymore said in a promotional interview. Though her character was only onscreen for a few minutes, Barrymore said that she and Craven had dinner every week for four months in preparation. "And we really got to know each other," she said, "because it was really important to me to have a strong relationship with him — and to have that trust, so that I could look him in the eye and tell him my secrets of how to get me to that emotional level."
The way that Barrymore reached that "emotional level," she told EW in 2011, was through a "secret story" she shared only with Craven. "I was like, 'I never want fake tears, I will come up with a mechanism with which to really make me cry'... He and I had this secret story," the actress recalled. "We would just talk about it every time because it just made me cry every time I thought about it." Craven has loosened his lips over the years; he revealed on the DVD commentary that Barrymore's trigger was a recent newspaper story about a dog being burned by its owner.



The opening scene was filmed in sequence over the course of about a week in spring 1996. In order to keep Barrymore on edge during those mysterious phone calls, Craven kept actor Roger Jackson (the voice of Ghostface) in a separate location, where he could watch the action through a monitor. "I made a policy of the actors or actresses never seeing him," Craven said in Still Screaming. "Typically in Hollywood it'd be the guy who'd be standing behind the camera giving the lines. [Jackson] would be someplace quite distant, on a real telephone talking to them... It kept it real in a way."
Occasionally, the phone calls got too real. At one point during filming, Casey had to make a series of frantic 911 calls. Unbeknownst to the cast and crew, the prop master J.P. Jones had forgotten to unplug that particular phone. "So [Drew] starts dialing 911, screaming, hanging up, 911, screaming, hanging up," Jones recalled in Still Screaming. "We're in the middle of a take, and the phone starts ringing, and we're like, 'What's going on? Why is the phone ringing?' And it's the police asking what the hell we're doing, and why do we keep calling them?"
The police were pacified, but Craven had something else weighing on his mind during that first week of filming. He had yet to secure the rights to the Scream mask, which makes its first appearance during Casey's stabbing. Now instantly recognizable, the elongated "Ghostface" mask was something of a fluke; the original was a commercial Halloween mask, discovered in a bedroom while Scream producers were scouting house locations. Because producers were initially unable to trace the mask's origins, Craven asked the design company KNB Effects to make their own version, in order to avoid a licensing dispute.  "And I just didn't like the way it looked," he said in Still Screaming. "And so when it came to the second day when the mask really had to be revealed, I took the mask that we didn't own, and I shot the entire day just worried about, 'Am I going to get the studio sued and lose my job and never work again?'" Fortunately, the producers eventually tracked down the designer: a small New England costume company called Fun World, which agreed to license what they called their "peanut-eyed ghost."  The Scream team acquired more masks to use for the remainder of the shoot, but according to Craven, it's the original found costume that appears during Barrymore's scene.


Once the Scream opening was in the can, Craven moved on to the remainder of the film. But producer Bob Weinstein became hung up on that opening scene. Having seen the dailies, he told Konrad that he was "scared" for the film, because — among other issues — he thought Barrymore's wig looked terrible, and he hated the Ghostface mask. "I thought the mask was goofy," Weinstein told Vanity Fairin 2004. "I thought people would laugh at it. I thought Wes was crazy." Weinstein ordered Craven to shoot the film with several different mask designs until he could decide on one. ("My guts were in a knot for the whole second week," Craven admitted in Still Screaming.) Instead, Konrad asked Weinstein to reserve his judgment until she sent him the completed opening sequence. Craven worked overtime to edit together those 13 minutes, and after Weinstein saw them, his doubts evaporated. Konrad told Vanity Fair that Weinstein left her a voicemail, saying, "You guys were right. I was wrong — I was so wrong it's f—ing amazing."  According to then-Miramax producer B.J. Rack, Bob Weinstein never bothered Craven again (and didn't even ask to see dailies during the making of Scream 2).



Even so, the death of Casey Becker caused one more hurdle for Scream. The MPAA requested that a graphic shot of Ghostface stabbing Casey be cut from the film, in order for it to get an R rating rather than NC-17. Craven protested, telling the ratings board that it was the only shot he'd taken. They let it slide, though Craven did have to cut a few frames of another stabbing scene towards the end of the film.
Scream premiered in theaters on December 20, 1996. The poster was a close-up of Drew Barrymore's frightened face, and her name appeared on all the promotional materials, leading audiences to believe that she was the film's protagonist. "The fact that we killed America's sweetheart at the end of 15 minutes — it was like a body punch to the audience," Craven said in Still Screaming. A 1997 article in The New York Timesgave that unexpected death scene partial credit for Scream's huge success.  In the ensuing decades, the first 13 minutes of Scream have become a staple of "scariest movie moments" lists, appearing as #7 on Moviefone's 20 Most Iconic Horror Scenes of All Time and #13 on Bravo's 100 Scariest Movie Moments. 
One might imagine that it's no longer possible to pull off a shocker like Drew Barrymore's onscreen death in Scream. (In fact, when Bella Thorne was cast in a Barrymore tribute role on MTV's Scream, she didn't even bother to deny her character's quick demise.) But even though the surprise has long been spoiled, the opening scene of Scream still packs quite a gut punch — and thanks to Wes Craven, the question "Do you like scary movies?" will never seem innocent again.

nedovoljno hvaljeno remek-delo nedavno preminulog velikana horora.

THE HILLS HAVE EYES (1977)




http://ljudska_splacina.rs/2015/09/the-hills-have-eyes-1977.html

inače, zabavan je (i tačan) ovaj krejvenov twit povodom nastavaka i rimejaka STRAVE...

Dva značajna intervjua vezana za Krejvenov najbolji film, Strava u ulici brestova koje do sada niste imali onlajn - exkluzivno na The Cult of Ghoul:

Ves Krejven: dva intervjua




http://ljudska_splacina.rs/2015/09/ves-krejven-dva-intervjua.html

danas su zadušnice.

evo, da zapalim jednu sveću za majstora:
(moj esej izašao u najnovijem EKRANU)

Umetnik košmara: Wes Craven (1939-2015)


http://ljudska_splacina.rs/2015/11/mracni-ekran-vesa-krejvena.html