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Re: Feministički kutak
« Reply #250 on: 05-08-2014, 09:06:54 »
Gaddemit, feministkinje su bile u pravu: snižavanje nivoa testosterona u ljudima je išlo paralelno sa izgradnjom civilizovanog društva. Koincidencija ili je jedno proizvelo drugo?



Did Lower Testosterone Help Civilize Humanity?



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Aug. 1, 2014 – A study of 1,400 ancient and modern human skulls suggests that a reduction in testosterone hormone levels accompanied the development of cooperation, complex communication and modern culture some 50,000 years ago.
The research, published in today’s issue of the journal Current Anthropology, “uses craniofacial evidence to propose that lowered testosterone levels could explain the relatively sudden origin of modern behavior about 50,000 years ago,” says University of Utah biology graduate student Robert Cieri.
Cieri conducted the study of the feminization of human skulls and faces with colleagues at Duke University in North Carolina before moving to Utah in 2012. A news release from Duke University is below.
“Humans are uniquely able to communicate complex thoughts and cooperate even with strangers,” Cieri says. “New research on fossilized Stone Age humans from Europe, Africa and the Near East suggests these traits are linked, developed around 50,000 years ago, and were a driving force behind the development of complex culture.”
Homo sapiens, or modern humans, first appeared in the fossil record about 200,000 years ago, but evidence of modern behavior, such as symbolic artifacts and advanced tools are only about 50,000 years old, he adds.
“Human fossils from after modern behavior became common have more feminine faces, and differences between the younger and older fossils are similar to those between faces of people with higher and lower testosterone levels living today,” Cieri says.
He notes that lower testosterone is associated with social tolerance and cooperation in bonobos and chimpanzees, and with less aggression in humans. Cieri speculates that higher population densities could have triggered the shift towards lower testosterone levels, as people increasingly had to work together to succeed, and being highly aggressive became less advantageous.
“Whatever the cause, reduced testosterone levels enabled increasingly social people to better learn from and cooperate with each other, allowing the acceleration of cultural and technological innovation that is the hallmark of modern human success,” Cieri says.
Note: Robert Cieri available only via cell and email through Aug. 15, and only sporadically through Aug. 3. Cell 203-470-7564.
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SOCIETY BLOOMED WITH GENTLER PERSONALITIES, MORE FEMININE FACES
DURHAM, N.C. – Modern humans appear in the fossil record about 200,000 years ago, but it was only about 50,000 years ago that making art and advanced tools became widespread.
A new study appearing Aug. 1 in the journal Current Anthropology finds that human skulls changed in ways that indicate a lowering of testosterone levels at around the same time that culture was blossoming.
“The modern human behaviors of technological innovation, making art and rapid cultural exchange probably came at the same time that we developed a more cooperative temperament,” said lead author Robert Cieri, a biology graduate student at the University of Utah who began this work as a senior at Duke University.
The study, which is based on measurements of more than 1,400 ancient and modern skulls, makes the argument that human society advanced when people started being nicer to each other, which entails having a little less testosterone in action.
Heavy brows were out, rounder heads were in, and those changes can be traced directly to testosterone levels acting on the skeleton, according to Duke anthropologist Steven Churchill, who supervised Cieri’s work on a senior honors thesis that grew to become this 24-page journal article three years later.
What they can’t tell from the bones is whether these humans had less testosterone in circulation, or fewer receptors for the hormone.
The research team also included Duke animal cognition researchers Brian Hare and Jingzhi Tan, who say this argument is in line with what has been established in non-human species.
In a classic study of Siberian foxes, animals that were less wary and less aggressive toward humans took on a different, more juvenile appearance and behavior after several generations of selective breeding.
“If we’re seeing a process that leads to these changes in other animals, it might help explain who we are and how we got to be this way,” said Hare, who also studies differences between our closest ape relatives – aggressive chimpanzees and mellow, free-loving bonobos.
Those two apes develop differently, Hare said, and they respond to social stress differently.
Chimpanzee males experience a strong rise in testosterone during puberty, but bonobos do not. When stressed, the bonobos don’t produce more testosterone, as chimps do, but they do produce more cortisol, the stress hormone.
Their social interactions are profoundly different and, relevant to this finding, their faces are different, too. “It’s very hard to find a brow-ridge in a bonobo,” Hare said.
Cieri compared the brow ridge, facial shape and interior volume of 13 modern human skulls older than 80,000 years, 41 skulls from 10,000 to 38,000 years ago, and a global sample of 1,367 20th century skulls from 30 different ethnic populations.
The trend that emerged was toward a reduction in the brow ridge and a shortening of the upper face, traits which generally reflect a reduction in the action of testosterone.
There are a lot of theories about why, after 150,000 years of existence, humans suddenly leapt forward in technology. Around 50,000 years ago, there is widespread evidence of producing bone and antler tools, heat-treated and flaked flint, projectile weapons, grindstones, fishing and birding equipment and a command of fire. Was this driven by a brain mutation, cooked foods, the advent of language or just population density?
The Duke study argues that living together and cooperating put a premium on agreeableness and lowered aggression and that, in turn, led to changed faces and more cultural exchange.
“If prehistoric people began living closer together and passing down new technologies, they’d have to be tolerant of each other,” Cieri said. “The key to our success is the ability to cooperate and get along and learn from one another.”
This research was supported by the National Science Foundation, the Leakey Foundation and the University of Iowa Orthodontics Department.
 

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Re: Feministički kutak
« Reply #251 on: 05-08-2014, 09:57:19 »
Toliko sam se zabavio čitajući da mi je pukla veza sa Internetom. Preispitujući ovu hipotezu ustanovio sam da je pogrešna. Internet ponovo radi. Dakle, doktorant Sijeri je postavio zanimljivu hipotezu i snažno pritisnuo hormonalne i facijalne karakteristike. Da sam ja napisao neku priču sa ovom hipotezom kao novumom našla bi se gomila čitalaca koji bi ozbiljno posumnjali u plauzibilnost. Najpre bi se upitali ko je vodio silne ratove u istoriji? Budući da nam je u to doba testosteron već bio ozbiljno "snižen". Svidela mi se i hipi teza bonobo komparacije sa gorilama. Better a sex bomb then six A bombs. U svakom slučaju, ovo je inspirativna SF teza.
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Re: Feministički kutak
« Reply #252 on: 08-08-2014, 14:46:09 »
http://youtu.be/qHQWlFtSptU

Postoji i ženski odgovor na gornji video, ali komični efekat je tu manje izražen. Ili se nisam smejao jer mi se ego šćućurio u uglu svesti. Ili oba.

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Re: Feministički kutak
« Reply #253 on: 15-08-2014, 09:07:17 »
Afirmativna akcija donosi viši kvalitet, tvrde istraživanja:


New study: If you need quality, you need affirmative action
New research demonstrates that when affirmative action programs are used, the quality of the applicants increases.
Affirmative action is often criticized as giving unfair advantages. Different people are evaluated by different criteria, which inevitably lowers the quality of the selected group, is the claim.
Diversity achieved through intervention is quality-compromising diversity, says the critic.
The logic behind these claims is not hard to understand, but it may be wrong.
Imagine that 100 students are going to be admitted to a university. If the historical trend is that 70 of them are men and 30 of them are women, and if affirmative action is implemented to increase the number of women to 40, the claim of detractors would be that 10 men of higher quality are being left aside to bring in 10 women that otherwise would not have been selected.
One basic problem with this logic that I’ll leave aside here is the dubious assertion that a process resulting in 70 men and 30 women is fair; I’ve discussed that elsewhere, in Equality targets as a leadership tool and in a post I wrote for theglasshammer.com, Engaging CEOs in gender diversity.
There’s a more subtle problem with the claim that affirmative action compromises quality, and two recent articles in Science show that this claim is wrong.
In Ready, Steady, Compete, Marie Claire Villeval focuses on gender differences in competitions. This can be seen in sports, where ‘boys tend to outperform girls when racing against someone else, but not when running alone.‘ In other words, competition changes the relative performance, either enhancing the performance of boys or reducing the performance of girls.
If girls are not motivated by competition — if they in fact avoid it — then reducing competition might have a surprisingly different effect than compromising quality.
What if women — even highly qualified women — opt out when they perceive too much competition? What if reducing competition increases the willingness of women to participate?
When the level of competition is reduced, the hypothesis might go, high-performing women are increasingly likely to enter the competition. When they then win, it need not be at the cost of a higher-performing man; that man might only have won against a weaker pool.
A second Science article tests this hypothesis. In Affirmative action policies promote women and do not harm efficiency in the laboratory, Loukas Balafoutas and Matthias Sutter run 360 subjects through four different repetitions of an addition task, in which they solve as many math problems as they can in three minutes.
The first time they do it, they are rewarded for each correct calculation. The second time they do it, they are groups of six — three men and three women — and only the two best performers are rewarded. The third time they do it, they can choose if they want to do it individually — and be rewarded for each correct answer — or in a competition — and be rewarded more if they are one of two winners. The fourth time they all do it in a competition again, like in the second round.
Affirmative action is introduced in the third and fourth rounds. In the third round, before they choose whether they want to do the task individually or in a competition, the women are divided into five groups and given different information about the competition. In the fourth round, everyone competes, and again there are these five different groups and models.
 
  • Group one is the control group; their competition is just like that in round 2.
  • Group two has quotas added to the competition: there will be two winners, as in round 2, but one of them must be a woman. In practice, this means that the best performing woman will always win, even if that means a better performing man is prevented from winning.
  • Group 3 experiences weak preferential treatment: when a man and a woman have the same score, the woman wins, and the equally well performing man may not. (Remember that there are two winners in each group. If a man and a woman tie for best, they both win in Group 3. But if a man and a woman tie for second best, then the woman joins the best performer as one of the two winners.)
  • Group 4 experiences strong preferential treatment: when a woman’s score is just slightly less than a man’s, the woman still wins, and the man may not. (If the man was best and the woman next best, they both still win. If the man came in second and the woman was third, then she will win over him, if her score was very close to his.)
  • Group 5 has a requirement that at least one woman is among the two winners, but the scores are not manipulated. If the result of the competition gives no woman among the winners, then the competition is repeated until one is. (This could be like a requirement to re-do a hiring or promotion process if no women are on the short-list.)
What do we learn from this study?
In the third round, when subjects choose if they want to be rewarded for individual performance or for winning a competition, the number of men choosing competition is twice the number of women doing so in group one, the control group, where there is no affirmative action.
But when there is affirmative action, the number of women choosing to participate in the competition increases; this is most dramatic for the weak and strong preferential treatment seen in groups 3 and 4.
In the control group, with no affirmative action, only 30% of the women chose competition over individual evaluation; with strong preferential treatment, 70% do.
Think about what this means: when they can choose, women are significantly more likely to enter into a competition when the possibility of affirmative action is in place. Not just weaker women; highly qualified women, too.
The impact of affirmative action on the combined talent of the group of winners could go in two directions. Affirmative action could lower the collective talent of the winners if better qualified men are passed over by worse qualified women.
But affirmative action could also increase the overall talent of the group of winners if better qualified women now enter the competition.
These women could then join the group of winners based on their performance alone; the affirmative action measure draws them into the competition, but gender-balanced results in the competition are achieved without actually intervening to change any results.
 
The large increase in competition entry by strong female performers shows the potential of policy interventions to improve the quality of participants. It is also encouraging to observe that strong male performers do not respond to policy interventions in a negative way.
The research shows that the average ability of the group of winners is higher with some forms of affirmative action. And in this particular study, the authors note that ‘hardly any better-qualified men were passed over as a result of interventions.’ For example, in group 5, where the competition is repeated until there is a woman among the winners, it was in fact never necessary to repeat the competition.
Finally, after the four rounds of doing this task, the group was given a task that measured cooperation. The groups that had completed round four with affirmative action showed no less cooperation than those in the control group, where there was no affirmative action. Furthermore, the winners and losers in the groups with affirmative action did not differ from one another in terms of how cooperative they were either. In short, the presence of affirmative action in a competition within a group did not negatively affect the ability of that group to subsequently perform cooperatively.
The claim that affirmative action, if implemented, necessarily lowers the quality of the selected group, is illogical. Indeed, the evidence from this study makes it clear that affirmative action for women as a policy can raise the overall quality of the winners without being unfair to the men.
What do these results mean for national and local policies? What do they mean for universities? I’d like to know your answers to these questions. I’ll be writing more soon with mine.

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Re: Feministički kutak
« Reply #254 on: 23-08-2014, 20:59:49 »
52 Powerful Photos Of Women Who Changed History Forever





http://news.distractify.com/people/powerful-photos-of-women/?v=1

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Re: Feministički kutak
« Reply #255 on: 25-08-2014, 00:43:29 »
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Re: Feministički kutak
« Reply #256 on: 25-08-2014, 00:56:47 »
Hahhaha, super  xcheers

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Re: Feministički kutak
« Reply #257 on: 25-08-2014, 01:26:04 »
Pored ovakve kose ne treba joj puska :)

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Re: Feministički kutak
« Reply #258 on: 26-08-2014, 08:57:39 »
Zašto su žene manjina u visokotehnološkoj/ softverskoj industriji?



Computing's Narrow Focus May Hinder Women's Participation



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When Google disclosed its workforce demographics in May, headlines decried that a mere 17% of its technical staff was female. Yet women earn only 18% of computer science degrees, putting such employment figures in line with the ostensible supply. The numbers beg more questions than they answer, however, such as: why are there so few female computer science graduates? Is such a degree necessary for technical positions? If women are being squeezed out, when and how is that happening?
There are many theories. One asserts that prejudice against women's abilities throws barriers in their way; a related perspective suggests women are less likely to enter technical fields because they expect such barriers. Intriguingly, women and girls seem to be more prevalent in fields where computer science is part of a grander context, such as quantitative chemistry; these are not counted in the "computer science" statistics, or reflected in the low percentages of women employed at Google, Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, or Pinterest.
 The Three Ages of Woman In math and science overall, high school girls earn more credits than boys—and get higher grades. Yet girls comprise only 18% of the students who take the Advanced Placement (AP) Computer Science exam, which strongly emphasizes programming and has only a small section on "Computing in Context."
"Boys fall in love with computers as machines; girls see them as tools to do something else," said Barbara Ericson, a senior research scientist at the Georgia Institute of Technology who tracks the AP exam. "Then girls think, ‘maybe I don't belong because I don't love them like the boys do.’"
"Girls who have strong math skills tend to have higher verbal skills than boys who are strong in math, which opens up new avenues to follow, like the social sciences." said Christianne Corbett, senior researcher at the American Association of University Women (AAUW). "With computing, the social element isn't always evident. They ask, 'how am I going to make a difference in the world with a computer science degree?'" To that end, AAUW sponsors a one-day conference called "Tech Savvy" to expose middle-school girls to career opportunities in computing and other science, technology, engineering, and mathematics (STEM) fields.
Specialization grows in college, as computer science departments devise new degrees to mirror advances and market changes. However, that was not always the case. U.S. statistics show women proportionally earned twice as many computer-science degrees—around 35% of the total granted—in the early 1980s, when "computer science" was less specific. Valerie Barr, chair of ACM's Council on Women in Computing (ACM-W), believes the retreat was caused partly by the growth of personal computers. "The students who graduated in 1984 were the last group to start college before there was personal computing. So if you were interested in bioinformatics, or computational economics, or quantitative anthropology, you really needed to be part of the computer science world. After personal computers, that wasn't true any more."
In her position as a professor of computer science at Union College, Barr found contextualizing computer science classes led to an increase in female enrollment. "We said, ‘let's show them that computer science can be useful by giving themes to the introductory CS courses, so students can see their relevance,’" she said. "For us, it's been enormously successful. Ten years ago we taught the introductory course to 29 students, and 14% of them were women. This year there were over 200 students, and 39% of them were women." Beyond college, Barr said, she'd also like to see "a bigger funnel into the corporate world and the tech industry, with people coming from many other majors. It doesn't have to be just CS majors."
It is harder to understand the state of women in computing in the professional world, particularly at private companies such as Google. Lucy Sanders, CEO and co-founder of the National Center for Women and Information Technology (NCWIT), noted that compared to universities, "corporations are all different, and they're all very private."
If women don't get satisfaction at such companies, they might be taking their talents elsewhere. NCWIT senior research scientist Catherine Ashcraft cites the 2008 Harvard Business Review study "The Athena Factor," which found that "56% of technical women leave their private sector jobs by mid-career," she said. "But 75% continue to work full-time, and approximately half of these continue to work in technical occupations. They just go to government, non-profit, and startup environments. So they aren’t leaving because they don’t like tech, or aren’t good at it."
Women's participation is also highest in professions where computing is part of a bigger context, such as web development (40%) and data analytics (around 50%). Meta S. Brown, data analyst and author of books including "Data Mining for Dummies," found women do best in data analytics when it is not framed as computer science. "At events organized by the analytics community, there are plenty of women speaking and attending," she said. "But at data analytics events that come from the computer science, technology, Internet, or startup communities, you'll see far fewer women."
 Does It Matter? As computing continues to find new applications, its value will increasingly depend on what philosopher Martin Heidegger called its "equipmentality", or usefulness. That means removing walls between "pure" computer scientists—in schools, at universities, and in the workplace—and those who advance the field in the context of other goals. In doing so, more women are likely to have a say in the field.
NCWIT's Sanders referred to a recent study by her organization that showed how gender diversity affects technology business performance. "Computer engineering is a creative endeavor, involving hundreds of choices every day," she said. "What will the user interface look like? How will it react? How will it provide service to people? Women have their own life experiences and things they care about; so do men. Sometimes these experiences are similar, sometimes they are different. It makes sense that a team that's diverse would create better products."
Tom Geller is an Oberlin, Ohio-based science, technology, and business writer.

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Re: Feministički kutak
« Reply #259 on: 26-08-2014, 14:51:52 »
iskreno, mislim da vreme zena u softverskoj industriji tek dolazi
sad kad je poslodavcima potpuno svejedno da li im programira indus, eskim, musko, zensko ili nesto trece, samo da je posao uradjen, zene imaju mnogo vise sansi za posao :)

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Re: Feministički kutak
« Reply #260 on: 26-08-2014, 15:29:07 »
To je možda tačno samo za sebe, ali postoje istraživanja koja pokazuju da je problem malo dubljeg korena, odnosno, da i ako uspešno eliminišeš diskriminaciju na nivou poslodavca, i dalje imaš problem sa tim da manje žena aplicira za ovu vrstu poslova, a što je opet rezultat toga da manje žena ima diplome iz ovih oblasti a to je opet rezultat toga da manje žena upisuje studije iz ovakvih oblasti. Opet, ne pričam samo o softverskom inženjeringu već generalno o "tvrdim" naukama. Dakle, situacija u kojoj je manje žena nego muškaraca u softverskoj industriji nije nešto što se rešava samo ravnopravnošću na mestu zapošljavanja. Evo par tih nekih studija:


http://users.nber.org/~sewp/events/2005.01.14/Bios+Links/Krieger-rec2-GAO-Report.pdf


http://users.nber.org/~sewp/events/2005.01.14/Bios+Links/Krieger-rec4-Nelson+Rogers_Report.pdf



A u onom gornjem postu ima i link na članak koji se bavi istraživanjem koje pokazuje da afirmativna akcija daje rezultate, odnosno da kada se ženama obezbede ekvitabilni (ne znam koji bi bio prevod ove reči na srpski, izvinjavam se) uslovi za nadmetanje sa muškarcima, opšti kvalitet rada raste.

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Re: Feministički kutak
« Reply #261 on: 26-08-2014, 16:03:44 »
lepo receno i objasnjeno.

al to vazi za svaki posao, ako je tim musko zenski uvek je daleko bolji rezultat rada, zbog razlicitog nacina pristupanja problemu, razlicitog razmisljanja i sl.
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Re: Feministički kutak
« Reply #262 on: 26-08-2014, 16:05:49 »
U gej pornićima ta logika ne bi prošla!!!!!!!!!!!  :lol:

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Re: Feministički kutak
« Reply #263 on: 26-08-2014, 17:15:56 »
kako ne bi???
Pa mora njegova zena da ga uhvati sa postarem, pobogu, pa da pobegne sa sobaricom od muke
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Re: Feministički kutak
« Reply #264 on: 26-08-2014, 18:22:26 »
Taj scenario, priznajem, zvuči plauzibilno, ali to ne bi bio gej pornić nego nekakva panseksualna zafrkancija.  :lol:

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Re: Feministički kutak
« Reply #265 on: 26-08-2014, 19:34:18 »
*ona da pobegne sa sobaricom od muke
:)

svejedno, da ne ulazimo sad u zanrove
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Re: Feministički kutak
« Reply #266 on: 27-08-2014, 14:10:13 »
Studija objavljena u Žurnalu seksualne medicine potvrđuje ono što smo i sami nagađali: lezbijke imaju više orgazama (i veću verovatnoću postizanja istog) tokom odnosa sa partnerom nego heteroseksualno orijentisane žene. Ako je za utehu, kod muškaraca isto istraživanje pokazuje da je procenat dostizanja orgazma isti bez obzira da li ste sa ženom ili sa muškarcem (odnosno da li ste heteroseksualne ili homoseksualne orijentacije). Iz ovoga se može zaključiti da su žene superiornije kao provajderi seksualnog zadovoljenja partneru ma kog je pola  :lol: :lol: :lol: Dakle, važi onoaj kliše da samo žena ume da ženi pruži pravo zadovoljenje, ali ne važi da samo muškarac muškarcu to isto ume, kako nas laže homoseksualna propaganda  :lol:


http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jsm.12669/abstract



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Mean occurrence rate for experiencing orgasm during sexual activity with a familiar partner was 62.9% among single women and 85.1% among single men, which was significantly different (F1,2848 = 370.6, P < 0.001, η2  = 0.12). For men, mean occurrence rate of orgasm did not vary by sexual orientation: heterosexual men 85.5%, gay men 84.7%, bisexual men 77.6% (F2,1494 = 2.67, P = 0.07, η2 = 0.004). For women, however, mean occurrence rate of orgasm varied significantly by sexual orientation: heterosexual women 61.6%, lesbian women 74.7%, bisexual women 58.0% (F2,1350 = 10.95, P < 0.001, η2 = 0.02). Lesbian women had a significantly higher probability of orgasm than did either heterosexual or bisexual women (P < 0.05).

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Re: Feministički kutak
« Reply #267 on: 27-08-2014, 15:07:22 »

Eto, ja sam živi dokaz.  8)   Čak je i moja keva gejmerka.  8) 8)


http://www.dailydot.com/geek/adult-women-largest-gaming-demographic/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=main

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Adult women are now the largest demographic in gaming


By Aja Romano


Congratulations, gamer girls—you're officially at the top of the food chain when it comes to games. A new study released by the Entertainment Software Association has revealed that adult women now occupy the largest demographic in the gaming industry. Women over 18 made up a whopping 36 percent of the gaming population, followed by adult men at 35 percent.


Teenage boys, who are often stereotyped as the biggest gamers, now lag far behind their older female counterparts, making up just 17 percent of the gaming demographic.


The picture that emerges from the study is one of expansion across the board. More people are playing more games of various genres across more platforms, with social games on mobile and casual games on PCs emerging as huge leaders.


According to the study, last year saw a significant boom in women over 50—their numbers jumped by a whopping 32 percent between 2012 and 2013. The study also revealed that 59 percent of Americans play games, with gaming consoles present in 51 percent of all U.S. households.


All of that means that stereotypes are breaking fast in the gaming industry, particularly the longheld stereotype of the adult woman as an outlier who sticks to mobile games and "social" games on Facebook while the more hardcore gamer, the "serious" (male) gamer, goes for console games.


Though this stereotype has long persisted, and even been used as a hiring tactic, the new data suggests there's little if any truth to it—especially not when you consider that the average adult woman has been gaming for 13 years.


Sorry, male gamers of Reddit and 4Chan, but Angry Birds only came out five years ago. Unless you want to try to argue that women have just been playing Bejeweled for the last 13 years, the math just doesn't add up.


And while the total audience for mobile social games is now bigger than ever, the audience for computer and video games is now an even 50-50 split between male and female genders.

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Re: Feministički kutak
« Reply #268 on: 27-08-2014, 16:06:16 »
Ta vest poslednja tri dana izaziva ozbiljne debate na, razume se uglavnom muškim, gejmerskim i tech sajtovima na internetu.

Kad se na stranu stavi uobičajena muškocentrična reakcija da smo nekako ugroženi od strane ovakve statistike, treba tu reći i da ova studija dokazuje neke truizme. Na primer to da žena starijih od osamnaest godina po definiciji ima značajno više od muškaraca ispod osamnaest pa je odnos 36 prema 17 posto sasvim očekivan i NIKAKO ne dokazuje da "Teenage boys, who are often stereotyped as the biggest gamers, now lag far behind their older female counterparts" iz najmanje dva razloga. Prvi je očigledan matematički: porede se dve populacije od kojih je jedna veća i ako se rezultati ne ponderišu tako da se uzme u obzir razlika u veličini pula iz kog uzimaš uzorke, dobijaš rezultate koji nisu senzacionalni koliko zvuče senzacionalistički.

Drugi je više filozofski a odnosi se na definiciju gejmera. Većina žena koje poznajem a da igraju igre (kažem "većina", dakle, D. je recimo izuzetak) ne bi sebe okarakterisale kao gejmere niti bi ih ljudi (muškarci i žene) koji sebe opisuju kao gejmere tako okarakterisali. Drugim rečima, u uobičajenoj upotrebi reč "gejmer" ne znači "bilo ko ko je ikada zaigrao ikakvu igru" već podrazumeva jednu samoidentifikaciju sa određenim kulturnim modelom (naravno, taj kulturni model je u dobrom delu svojih karakteristika užasan, nezreo itd. ali to je samo deo a i nije bitno za ovu raspravu) i ne radi se čak ni o količini igranja. Razlika između "gejmera" i osobe koja igra igre je u tome da se gejmer identifikuje sa određenom kulturom i ima stavove po određenim temama, što za ovu drugu osobu ne važi - što je ista razlika kao i između "ljubitelja filma" i "osobe koja gleda filmove".

Konkretno - moja žena se, ako pravilno postavimo statistiku, u proseku igra više nego ja jer njoj ne prođe ni jedan dan a da se ne igra, dok meni promakne po koji zbog rokenrol života koji vodim. Ali s druge strane, moja žena igra samo jednu jedinu igru poslednje tri godine, free to play Štrumpfove na svom telefonu/ tabletima u kome se gejmplej sastoji od ekstremno jednostavnih skinner box sistema i po koje miniigre koja zahteva koordinaciju pokreta. Dakle, nekreativan, neljubazno sačinjen paket u kome je jedina atraktivna stvar što se originalni izdavač (Capcom, ali je igru kasnije nekom prodao) ispružio za Smurfs licencu. Moja žena sebe na osnovu ovoga nikada ne bi nazvala gejmerom, a ni ja je ne bih nazvao gejmerom, nevezano što je to što igra najniži nivo adiktivnog smeća koji postoji i koji se jedva može nazvati igrom, već vezano za njen odnos prema medijumu: ne prati evoluciju medijuma, nema stav o kvalitetu toga što igra i igra ga iz čiste adikcije itd.

Da ne bude zabune, ja nikako ovde ne kritikujem svoju ženu ili druge osobe poput nje, muške i ženske. Iako bih svakako voleo da igraju bolje igre i budu uključeni u kulturu, naravno da je njihov izbor da igraju šta hoće i uživaju u tome na svoj način, kao i to koliko će biti uključeni u bilo koju podkulturu. Ali, dakle, oni nisu "gejmeri" po nekom do sada ustaljenom pravilu korišćenja tog termina.

I, to takođe uopšte nije problem, to što moja frizerka nije gejmer, ali redovno igra Angry Birds meni nije ništa negativno, ja svakako više navijam da ona igra Angry Birds nego da gleda Farmu ili već  koja bi druga neinteraktivna zabava tu bila a koju bih ja smatrao intelektualno toksičnom. Angry Birds, ma koliko rudimentarna igra bila, ipak angažuje igrača u rešavanju problema koji imaju matematičke modele koji stimulišu intelekt, uče čoveka da ih analizira i podešava svoj input i prevenira rano nastupanje Alchajmera.  :lol: :lol: :lol:

No, moja poenta je: ovakve studije imaju pozitivan efekat što razbijaju muškocentričnu, gikovsko-mačoidnu percepciju igranja kao medijuma/ kulture, a to opet može da bude samo dobro i utoliko što će više žena poželeti da se igra a i što će više žena poželeti da pravi igre pa ćemo i mi, mužjaci, imati na raspolaganju više igračkih ideja od kojih će neke biti sjajne. Imaju i negativan efekat utoliko što prenebregavaju kulturnu posebnost "gejmera", impliciraju da je na kraju dana sve isto i time potpuno zaravnjuju intelektualnu diskusiju koja se može voditi o gejmingu. Nije isto: Angry Birds (ili Flappy Bird, ili Farmville) sa jedne strane i Left 4 Dead (ili Shadow of the Colossus ili Civilization) sa druge strane su dva potpuno različita artefakta sa potpuno različitim filozofijama, potpuno različitim ciljnim grupama, potpuno različitim tehnologijama itd. itd. itd. i deo su istog medijuma "video igara" samo zato što je medijum još uvek dovoljno mlad da u njemu teorija nije još došla do razine kada bi definisala odvojene medijume unutar metamedijuma video igara. Poređenja radi, nikom danas ne bi palo na pamet da pravi filmsku statistiku time što bi mešao podatke vezane za populaciju koja ide u bioskop da gleda retrospektive Bergmana i Tarkovskog i podatke vezane za populaciju koja sedi kod kuće i na televiziji gleda Indijske telenovele. I jedno i drugo nominalno pripada istom medijumu ali nema zdravorazumskog opravdanja da se pravimo kako je sve to deo iste kulturne matrice itd.

Da sumiramo: odlično je što žene igraju sve više igara, ali to ne znači da se još pojavljuju naprsline u monolitu muškocentrične gejming kulture. Za to je potrebno da te žene (ako je to uopšte ikom bitno) uđu među te muškarce, promene postojeće, veoma učmale socijalne i kulturološke modele izgrađene oko igara i reflektovane u samim igrama, nametnu svoje vizije i izbore se za igrački krajolik u kome reč "gejmer" i dalje podrazumeva tu hardcore komponentu ali da ona više nije automatski vezana za muškarce. Dakle, da imamo više D. Ovo iz ove studije svakako nije to.

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Re: Feministički kutak
« Reply #269 on: 27-08-2014, 16:37:16 »
Moja keva rastura Plants vs Zombies.  8)

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Re: Feministički kutak
« Reply #270 on: 27-08-2014, 16:41:46 »

Pa, čekaj, bre, Meho, lepo kaže studija:


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Though this stereotype has long persisted, and even been used as a hiring tactic, the new data suggests there's little if any truth to it—especially not when you consider that the average adult woman has been gaming for 13 years.




Sorry, male gamers of Reddit and 4Chan, but Angry Birds only came out five years ago. Unless you want to try to argue that women have just been playing Bejeweled for the last 13 years, the math just doesn't add up.


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Re: Feministički kutak
« Reply #271 on: 27-08-2014, 16:43:56 »
Pa, ne više od recimo 4 godine. Ali nisu Štrumpfovi prva kežual igra, zaboga, u tu statistiku spada i gomila fleš igara po internetu itd.

A tvojoj kevi bih stisnuo desnicu sa poštovanjem  :lol:

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Re: Feministički kutak
« Reply #272 on: 27-08-2014, 16:50:35 »
Pa, mlada je moja keva. Rodila me sa devetnajs'. 8) Kad sam bila mala, otimala se sa mnom i sa sestrom da igra Super Marija. Ona rastura, mi tužno sedimo sa strane i gledamo u ekran...

Da se vratimo na statistiku: žene igraju 13 godina u proseku, već, i tekst lepo pita dal želimo da tvrdimo da žene igraju casual igre već 13 godina? :)

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Re: Feministički kutak
« Reply #273 on: 27-08-2014, 16:55:39 »
Kategorički: da.

Ne sve žene naravno. Kao što i mnogi muškarci igraju kežual igre 13 godina. I duže. Pun ih je internet bio početkom veka, a i svaki mobilni ih ima bar deset godina unazad.

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Re: Feministički kutak
« Reply #274 on: 27-08-2014, 17:10:41 »
Ta možda su sa casual igara prešle na zahtevnije igre. :)

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Re: Feministički kutak
« Reply #275 on: 27-08-2014, 17:37:21 »
Put ćemo naći ili ćemo ga napraviti.

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Re: Feministički kutak
« Reply #276 on: 27-08-2014, 18:32:26 »
Ta možda su sa casual igara prešle na zahtevnije igre. :)

To je nešto čemu se svi nadamo i radujemo. Opet, velim, znam mnogo žena koje su i pre 13 godina igrale igre - praktično sve kancelarijske zaposlene su igrale minesweeper i spider solitaire - i njih sve ova statistika uredno ubraja u "gejmere" ali one sebe ne vide kao gejmere niti ih oni koji sebe vide kao gejmere vide kao gejmere.

I opet - to nije uopšte problem, ne mislim da SVAKO treba da bude "gejmer" kao što nije normalno da SVAKO bude "ljubitelj filma". Da ne bude zabune.

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Re: Feministički kutak
« Reply #277 on: 27-08-2014, 21:07:24 »
Džon Oliver o razlici u platama između žena i muškaraca. Nema nekih novih podataka, ali je lepo prezentirano i korisno da se podsetimo. Plus "reklama" na kraju je urnebesna:
 
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Re: Feministički kutak
« Reply #278 on: 28-08-2014, 15:29:21 »
Ovo je jedna ambiciozna analiza sa tu i tamo pokojim ubadanjem u suštinu:

http://www.tata.rs/tekst-biti-musko/
Put ćemo naći ili ćemo ga napraviti.

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Re: Feministički kutak
« Reply #279 on: 28-08-2014, 15:36:10 »
Istina je, ambiciozna je i ima nekoliko pogodaka, ali ima i nekoliko nezgodnih promašaja, ali sigurno će D. da se detaljnije izrazi o ovome.

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Re: Feministički kutak
« Reply #280 on: 30-08-2014, 06:21:30 »
Kalifornija, zbog inače dobro publikovane statistike koja govori o velikom broju silovanja na koledž kampusima  usvojila "yes means yes" predlog zakona (Džeri Braun to mora da potpiše da bi postalo zakon) koji kaže da se u seksualni odnos legalno može stupiti posle eksplicitnog verbalnog pristanka, odnosno da ćutanje i pasivnost ne znače da osoba pristaje na snošaj. Tužna je planeta u kojoj država ovako mora da uređuje intimne odnose, ali daj šta daš, rekao bih, ovo jeste nekakav pravi korak u ispravljanju percepcije o pristanku na seks...
 
 


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Re: Feministički kutak
« Reply #282 on: 30-08-2014, 19:29:59 »

Ovo je jedna ambiciozna analiza sa tu i tamo pokojim ubadanjem u suštinu:


http://www.tata.rs/tekst-biti-musko/


Hej, ovo je, u stvari, stvarno dobar tekst.  Pogotovo mi se dopadaju sledeći delovi:


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Pronalaženje svetlosti u svojoj seksualnosti. Da bi se mladi muškarac uspešno odnosio prema mladoj ženi, on prvo mora da se oseća dobro u vezi sa time što je muško. Da bi bio uspešan ljubavnik, on prvo mora sebe da doživljava kao nekoga vrednog ljubavi, sposobnog da prima i daje nežnost. Biti seksualan muškarac ne znači biti gad. (Epitet kojim žene često karakterišu izvrnutu mušku seksualnost. “Muška svinja” je sinonim takođe često u upotrebi.) “Gad” se odnosi na posramljenu seksualnost. Biće sa niskim samopoštovanjem, takozvani gad, oseća da ne može da uspostavi intimna prijateljstva sa drugima, i zato pristupa drugima (ženi) kao objektu koji treba eksploatisati najbolje što može. To predstavlja ciničan pokušaj da se potvrdi putem dominacije. Očaravajuće iskustvo erotskog zadovoljstva i bliskosti pretvara se u svoju suprotnost posredstvom želje za moći proizašle iz osećanja krivice. “Ukoliko ne možeš da dobiješ ljubav, osveti se, dominiraj” – tipičan je način reagovanja “gada”. Većina muškaraca se, u osnovi, još uvek stidi svojih “prljavih” seksualnih osećanja i doživljavaju svoju seksualnost kao nešto obično, kao svrab koji treba počešati. Postoji grubi i omalovažavajući stereotip koji muškarce u celini predstavlja kao “gadove”: “Muškarci žele samo jednu stvar…” Muškarac treba da pronađe svetost u svojoj seksualnosti. Kada muškarac razreši pitanje samopoštovanja, kada umesto arogancije poseduje mirno samopouzdanje, onda može da priđe zreloj ženi kao nekome sebi ravnom, bez potrebe za moći i kontrolom. Međutim, da bi to mogao, potrebno mu je savlada još jedno preostalo čudovište-doživljaj da žene, svojom manipulativnom seksualnošću, upravljaju muškarcem (preko njeogove “druge glave”). Percepcijom žena kao posednica seksualne privlačnosti – kao onih koji imaju moć nad žđeljom muškarca – muškarci zapravo predaju svoju seksualnu energiju i moć ženama, i zato ih se i plaše pa pokušavaju da povrate dominaciju. Muškarci, zapravo, uzdižu žene na pijedestal, a onda ih mrze zato što su na njemu. Moramo da postanemo svesni da seksualna privlačnost žene ne leži u njenom izgledu, već u načinu na koji biramo da gledamo ženu. Život muškarca postaje mnogo bolji kada shvati da on sebe uzbuđuje (načinom doživljavanja žene) i da je on mozak sa penisom, a ne obrnuto. Oslobođeni straha od žena kojima pripisuju preveliku moć, a time ih se i plaše, muškarci postaju sposobni za opuštenu intimnost i ljubav. “Jednom kada ste vodili ljubav, seks vam više nikada neće biti dovoljan”

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Susretanje partnera na jednakoj ravni. Većina muškaraca i žena doživljava muško-ženski odnos kao borbu za dominaciju. Kao da postoje samo dve alternative: Biti “gazda”, “pevac” u kući, dominantan mužjak i nasilnik (ovakvi muškarci odvraćaju od sebe žene sa samopoštovanjem), ili biti “mekani” savremeni muškarac koji je dosadan i kojim žena spontano počinje da dominira. Da bi uspostavio stvarno uspešan odnos sa svojom partnerkom muškarac mora da nauči kako da se prema partnerki (i ženama uopšte) odnosi kao prema različitom ali ravnopravnom biću. To znači da je poštuje, ali da poštuje i samoga sebe. Ukoliko žele da se dobro slažu sa ženama muškarci moraju da nauče da im se surotstave na ravnopravan način.
Kako se to suprotstavlja ženi na ravnopravan način?
Mnogo je muškaraca koji su ravnopravnost žena shvatili pogrešno (kao pravo žena da im se popušta). Jedno od čestih muških nesnalaženja je igranje uloge popustljivog nespretnjakovića ili slatkog duduka:

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Četiri vrste defektnog oca:
  • Muškarac koji je želeo da bude kralj – To je muškarac koji je naporno radio ceo dan i koji se vraćao kući kako bi ga dvorili njegova odana žena sluškinja i deca koja su se videla ali ne i čula. Takav otac se zaista angažovao samo kada je trebalo izreći kazne ili pomilovanja. To je takođe bio “videćeš kad ti otac dođe kući” tip oca. Tipična izjava takvog oca: “Dok živiš pod mojim krovom, radićeš šta ti ja kažem”.
  • Kritički otac – Stalno je omalovažavao i tražio dlaku u jajetu, gonjen i sopstvenom frustracijom i besom. Taj otac je nesumljivo bio aktivan u porodici, ali na potpuno negativne, zastrašujuće načine. “Jeli to najbolje što možeš, zar ne možeš ništa da uradiš kako treba…” Sve što ga je frustriralo, pretvarao je u kiselinu koja je nagrizala dobrobit njegove porodice.
  • Pasivan otac – Otac koji je prepustio svu dužnost, odgovornost i moć svojoj ženi – majci. Takođe je popuštao deci, šefu, rođacima, društvu… On je, nekada davno, izgubio testise, i sada je sve tako teško da ne može čak ni da misli o tome. Pošto nije mogao da podnese pritisak, povlačio bi se iza novina, televizora, alkohola, nekog “hobija”… Njegova deca su rasla mrzeći ga što je takav beskičmenjak.
  • Odsutan otac – Taj čovek je možda bio sposoban, čak i moćan, ali ne u porodičnoj areni. On je bio otsutan gradeći karijeru. Nije prisustvovao školskim takmičenjima ili koncertima svoje dece. Možda je plaćao svakakve stvari za njih, ali nije bio ni od kakve koristi u vaspitanju, jer otac mora da bude prisutan. Otsutan otac nije samo neutralna figura. Ako im nije zadovoljena potreba za ljubavlju, deca oca neće voleti zbog novca koji zarađuje, a neće biti ni neutralna prema njemu. Verovatnije je da će ga mrzeti. Žene treba da budu vrlo jasne u pogledu toga šta traže od svojih muževa, jer su muškarci skloni tome da predpostave da je njihova sposobnost privređivanja njihov najveći doprinos. Ostvariti i jedno i drugo, dobro zarađivati (prema standardu koji žena želi) i biti dobar otac, često je nemoguće. Ako se pravi da je nesvesna ove činjenice, žena gura muškarca u ulogu zbog koje je posle nezadovoljna.


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Re: Feministički kutak
« Reply #283 on: 30-08-2014, 20:01:13 »
Tekst je odlican i istovremeno je jedan velik i kvalitetan kurac u dupe svim onim sebicnim zenama koje zele da "rode dete sebi" i same ga odgajaju, jer im muskarac nije potreban.
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Re: Feministički kutak
« Reply #284 on: 30-08-2014, 20:10:57 »
Pa dobro, ima i muškaraca kojima žena nije potrebna (strejt i gej). Oćemo i njima kurac u dupe?  :)

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Re: Feministički kutak
« Reply #285 on: 30-08-2014, 20:34:20 »
odmah se 'vatas za kurac u mom komentaru....
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Re: Feministički kutak
« Reply #286 on: 30-08-2014, 20:39:52 »
Pa, ti si se prvi uvatio. Reko, mora da znaš kakav je osećaj. :)

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Re: Feministički kutak
« Reply #287 on: 30-08-2014, 20:42:53 »
da ti docaram?


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Re: Feministički kutak
« Reply #288 on: 30-08-2014, 20:45:00 »
Ne bih rekla da umeš. Čak ni tekst koji hvališ nisi pročitao kako treba. :) Pročitaj opet.

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Re: Feministički kutak
« Reply #289 on: 30-08-2014, 20:46:50 »
.... a sad nesto i o clanku

Izuzetno mi se dopao tekst, nepretenciozan i jasan
divno objasnjenje kako je sreca uvek u sredini, a svaki ekstrem u sustini je nesrecen. No, kako je ovo drustvo gde se forsiraju ekstremi kao pozeljan oblik ponasanja, sreca je mnogima nedostizna.

Clanak koristan i muskarcima i zenama, retkost.

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« Reply #290 on: 30-08-2014, 21:01:25 »
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Re: Feministički kutak
« Reply #291 on: 01-09-2014, 15:56:54 »
Nego, superherojski stripovi, poznati po objektifikaciji žena su pre neki dan prošli kroz mini skandal kada se neko dosetio da je ova naslovna strana za relansirani Marvelov Spider Woman serijal suviše... pa... usiljeno seksi.





I naravno da jeste, dok muški superheroji izgledaju spremno za borbu na svojim naslovnim stranama, ženski neretko izgledaju spremni za, jelte, ljubav. Ali šta drugo očekivati od naslovne strane koju je uradio Milo Manara, zaboga?

No, tu se svakako postavljaju mnoga pitanja koja nisu nerelevantna. Jedno od njih je, naravno, zašto bi neko zauzeo tu pozu a ako nije najjasnije otkud to pitanje, dopustite da vam objasne kako ta poza izgleda kada je gledate sa druge strane:




O istom trošku, Newsarama je sakupila neke od najnepraktičnijih ženskih superherojskih kostima na gomilu, čisto da se podsetimo da je i u filmu Guardians of the Galaxy žena kojoj je profesija borba, nosila kostim koji ne deluje kao odeća za akciju (koliko za seks) ali da to nije ništa strašno kada se setite nekih kostima koje je imala u stripu.


http://www.newsarama.com/22001-10-most-impractical-female-super-hero-outfits.html



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Re: Feministički kutak
« Reply #294 on: 03-09-2014, 09:00:07 »
Ja bi se feminizmu ucio samo od Mehana!

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Re: Feministički kutak
« Reply #295 on: 03-09-2014, 10:04:54 »
Brkovi nisu preduslov da neko bude feminista... ali pomažu  :lol:


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Re: Feministički kutak
« Reply #297 on: 07-09-2014, 11:21:39 »



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Re: Feministički kutak
« Reply #298 on: 13-09-2014, 01:33:42 »

Having a period really, really sucks. (I should know—I once wrote a 3,500-word essay about mine.) But you know one surefire way to make lumbering about like a wounded animal seem fun? Make a quirky video game out of it.
That’s why two young women have created Tampon Run, a game that celebrates the wonders of the female reproductive system by letting you lob tampons at bullies on the street. Yay, feminism! Yay, girls making video games! And yay, periods!
Tampon Run is pretty much like any other rudimentary shooter game you’d find online, except instead of shooting your enemies with a gun, you hit them with tampons. (Don’t worry—they’re unused.) But you have to collect more tampons along the way, otherwise you’ll run out of ammunition and lose the game.
The game was created by Andrea Gonzales and Sophie Houser, two high school students from New York who met this summer at the Girls Who Code program, which encourages young women to enter the tech industry. Tampon Run was their final project for the program. It’s a light-hearted yet powerful statement against violence in video games and the social stigma attached to menstruation.
“Although the concept of the video game may be strange, it’s stranger that our society has accepted and normalized guns and violence through video games,” they write in the preamble to the game. “Yet we still find tampons and menstruation unspeakable.”
If the recent trend of viral tampon ads and menstrual product startups is any indication, the cultural taboo surrounding menstruation is gradually disappearing. But the fact that these two high school students are doing their part to make it disappear even faster is—dare I say it—bloody awesome.
http://www.dailydot.com/geek/tampon-run-video-game/


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Re: Feministički kutak
« Reply #299 on: 19-09-2014, 09:53:00 »
Da ne ispadne da samo u Srbiji ima smelih žena koje posežu za bimbo body modovima, evo Viktorije Vajld, originalno Letonke i uspešnog modela koja je spržila trideset hiljada funti na hirurške modifikacije da bi izgledala kao "real life barbie doll". Napominjem, naravno, da je ovaj izgled dosta čest fetiš na zapadnoj fetišističkoj sceni, a Viktorija i tvrdi da dobija više posla otkad se modifikovala.



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