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Re: Did a hyper-black hole spawn the Universe?
« Reply #200 on: 04-09-2016, 12:45:45 »
tl;dr: Ne

Postoje dva stanovišta. Jedno je da planeta nikad ne može biti "prenaseljena" su smislu da će uvek postojati neki ljudi kojima trenutno stanje ne smeta. Drugo stanovište je da planeta odavno prenaseljena jer su oduvek postojali neki ljudi kojima trenutno stanje smeta.

Pokušaj spajanja ova dva stanovišta je da možemo reći da planeta postaje "prenaseljenija" ako se vremenom menja odnos ovih brojeva. Da li se trenutno menja odnos ovih brojeva? Da, ali u korist onih kojima ne smeta.

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Re: Did a hyper-black hole spawn the Universe?
« Reply #201 on: 05-09-2016, 11:54:30 »
Ne razumem šta pokušavaš da izigravaš?
Satelit, antenu, refleksiju nekih drugih koje smatraš superiornijim od sebe, pa u dve rečenice pokušavaš da objasniš NJIMA kolko si i ti pametan, zamotavajući govno u mirišljavi papir i
proglašavajući time sebe dostojnih trgovaca kao što su oni.Iako jedino ogledalo vidi tvoje 'uspehe' a ne iko od njih.

Alo, oćemo prostački, brate, da te svi razumeju, š'a ti meni ovo-ono, jedno,dva stanovišta, mangupe?

Pito sam te ,bre, za tvoje mišljenje,
ALO, eeeeee,,, TVOJE,,,,eeeeee,,,
šta Ti veruješ, ili znaš, eeee....

Ti mi mrsomudiš neka stanovištva, ...
PIČKO jedna!

...ili te to Boban upozorio da ako javno izneseš svoje mišljenje, možeš biti izvrgnut ruglu i podsmehu na ovom forumu, ....hahaaaaaa...

koji si ti jad i beda i mizerija, bez mudiju da se izjasni....

e, bajdvej, Bog je rekao da se ljudi trebaju množiti i napuniti zemlju,znaš!?
Tako da ti ja objasnim, pošto ti izgleda pojma nemaš, nikad neće biti prenaseljenosti!
Eto, veruj mi, pomogao sam ti u životu s' ovim!

Meho Krljic

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Re: Did a hyper-black hole spawn the Universe?
« Reply #202 on: 05-09-2016, 12:16:50 »
 :shock: Pa, napisao ti je jasno "NE" u prvom redu. A sad čovek ispade pička što je to i obrazložio...  :cry: :cry: :cry:

mac

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Re: Did a hyper-black hole spawn the Universe?
« Reply #203 on: 05-09-2016, 12:35:49 »
Nekad mi se čini da postoji više verzija srpskog jezika, i da se zato loše sporazumevam s nekim ljudima. Prosto pričamo različitim verzijama.


Znači, odgovor je "ne, Zemlja trenutno nije prenaseljena, prosto zato što nas stalno ima više". Onog trenutka kad prestane da nas ima više (tj. kad populacioni rast padne na nulu) moj odgovor će se promenti u "da, sad je Zemlja prenaseljena, prosto zato što je populacija procenila da nema više mesta za nove ljude".


Da primenim Čika Jovin opis dizanja ustanka u Srbiji: još nije vreme, još nije vreme, još nije vreme... E sad je dockan!


Pravo pitanje nije da li je Zemlja prenaseljena, nego da li trenutni menadžment resursima može našim potomcima da stvori neke probleme. Recimo kad potrošimo sav plutonijum na Zemlji, i kad više ne budemo bili u stanju da nabavimo novi plutonijum, kako ćemo da napajamo svemirska plovila? Daleko od Sunca slabe su vajde od solarnih ćelija.

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Re: Did a hyper-black hole spawn the Universe?
« Reply #204 on: 05-09-2016, 14:46:00 »
Pa zar nije ono prvo ne bilo too long not read, vezano za češanje mojih jajca!?!?

Ahm...
Dobro.
Ajd onda, svrab mojih jaja i postojanje crnih rupa u jednu košaricu,
i zaboravimo to.
I izgleda da treba da jasnije odgovaraš, majke mi, ne samo lupiš ne, pa završimo u nesporazumima.

A što se tiče zemljanih resursa, mi ionako i dan danas ne raspodeljujemo stvari kako treba, i nikad i nećemo.

A iskreno me obradovao odgovor NE, jer sam očekivao ispran mozak sveckih medija koji ne zna se čime više drukaju, dal ' crnim rupama, dal' globalnim zagrevanjem, dal' prenaseljenošću.

Samo sledeći put konkretnije i razumnije naglasi , ko što ja detaljno naglasim kad kome gde i zašto.

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Re: Did a hyper-black hole spawn the Universe?
« Reply #205 on: 05-09-2016, 15:07:50 »
Mda, pričao sam o nerazumevanju srpskog, a problem je bio u tl;dr. Elem, tl;dr se koristi da se ispred dugog teksta stavi kratki tekst za one koje mrzi da čitaju dugi tekst. Dva teksta (kratki i dugi) moraju zato da imaju istu poruku. Kod mene je poruka data u poslednjoj rečenici "dugog teksta": odnos brojeva onih kojima ne smeta i kojima smeta trenutna naseljenost raste u korist onih kojima ne smeta, prema tome Zemlja još nije dovoljno prenaseljena. Treba je još prenaseliti :)

A naravno da se nisam osvrtao na svrab tvojih jaja na temi o crnim rupama. Cenim da to pitanje više pripada temi o vicevima, "zašto majmun pere jaja u mom viskiju"...

Uzgred, imamo i lepe vesti u vezi s plutonijumom. Amerika od ove godine ponovo proizvodi odgovarajući plutonijum-238, specijalno za potrebe istraživanja svemira.

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Re: Did a hyper-black hole spawn the Universe?
« Reply #206 on: 05-09-2016, 15:16:08 »
Baah...nikada ništa mi tamo nećemo naći, problem je što tolko pameti, kalkulacije, fizike i štatijaznam čega, izvuče pare da se zazidaju nekakvi akceleratori de ti isti fizičari vrše satanske obrede, umesto da su naranili sirotinju u Africi , ane testirali Ziku na njima....

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Re: Did a hyper-black hole spawn the Universe?
« Reply #207 on: 05-09-2016, 15:48:19 »
Inače, u Jordanu se gradi akcelerator čestica, a u izgradnji učestvuju (između ostalih) Jordan, Iran, Egipat, Pakistan, Izrael, Palestina,...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/30/sesame-particle-accelerator-project-middle-east-jordan

Dakle, što religija razjedini, fizika ujedini :lol:
Arguing on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics: even if you win, you're still retarded.

Meho Krljic

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Re: Did a hyper-black hole spawn the Universe?
« Reply #208 on: 10-09-2016, 06:18:30 »
It’s official: You’re lost in a directionless universe 
 
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Ever peer into the night sky and wonder whether space is really the same in all directions or whether the cosmos might be whirling about like a vast top? Now, one team of cosmologists has used the oldest radiation there is, the afterglow of the big bang, or the cosmic microwave background (CMB), to show that the universe is “isotropic,” or the same no matter which way you look: There is no spin axis or any other special direction in space. In fact, they estimate that there is only a one-in-121,000 chance of a preferred direction—the best evidence yet for an isotropic universe. That finding should provide some comfort for cosmologists, whose standard model of the evolution of the universe rests on an assumption of such uniformity.
"It's a much more comprehensive analysis than in previous cases," says Anthony Challinor, a cosmologist at the University of Cambridge in the United Kingdom who was not involved in the work. "The question of how isotropic is the universe is of fundamental importance."
In 1543, Nicolaus Copernicus knocked Earth and humanity from the supposed center of the universe by noting that Earth goes around the sun, not the other way around. That observation gave birth to the Copernican principle, which holds that we have no special place in the infinite, centerless universe. In the early 20th century, with the advent of Albert Einstein's general theory of relativity and the observation that the universe is expanding in all directions, that idea evolved into the cosmological principle, which assumes that the universe is the same everywhere and in every direction. In fancier terms, the universe is both homogeneous and isotropic.
The principle has its limitations. As the existence of stars and galaxies shows, matter is not distributed exactly the same way everywhere. This, they assume, arises because the universe was born as a homogeneous soup of subatomic particles in the big bang. As the universe underwent an exponential growth spurt called inflation, tiny quantum fluctuations in that soup expanded to gargantuan sizes, providing density variations that would seed the galaxies. Yet, the standard model of cosmology rests on the assumption that, on the largest scales, these variations are insignificant, and space is homogeneous and isotropic.
But it doesn't necessarily have to be that way. Theoretically, it's possible that space could be the same from point to point, but still have special directions—much as a diamond crystal has uniform density, but specific directions in which its atoms line up in rows. There were even some hints of such "anisotropy" in the early 2000s, when measurements from NASA's Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP) spacecraft suggested that some subtle undulations in the motley CMB appeared to line up along a so-called "axis of evil"—which most researchers discount as a statistical fluke.
Now, Daniela Saadeh and Andrew Pontzen, cosmologists at University College London, and colleagues have ruled out special directions with the most stringent test yet. They also use measurements of the CMB, this time taken with the European Space Agency's Planck spacecraft, which collected data from 2009 to 2013 and provided far more precise CMB maps than WMAP. Instead of looking for curious imbalances in the CMB, they systematically worked the other way around. They considered all the ways that space could have a preferred direction and how such scenarios might imprint themselves on the CMB. Then they searched for those specific signs in the data.
 
For example, space could be expanding at different speeds along different axes. Such differential expansion would cause the radiation from some directions to stretch to longer wavelengths than in others, and the upshot would be a big bull's-eye pattern in the CMB. Or, space could be rotating about a particular axis, which would create a spiral pattern in the CMB. Finally, the newborn universe could have been agitated by distortions in space itself known as gravitational waves, which would stretch the whole cosmos in one direction and compress it in a perpendicular direction. That sort of motion would leave more complex spirals in the CMB. In all, the researchers identify five potential patterns or "modes" in the CMB that would signal some sort of special direction in space.
Using a supercomputer, Saadeh, Pontzen, and colleagues look for evidence of any such patterns lurking faintly behind random variations in the CMB's temperature—a process not unlike trying to pick out a weak picture through extreme static on an old-fashioned TV screen. To give their study even more bite, they also look for accompanying patterns in the polarization of the CMB's microwaves, which Planck also mapped. For three of the five patterns, "polarization data is the killer thing," Saadeh says.
Others had performed similar tests for signs that the universe is spinning, but Saadeh, Pontzen, and colleagues improve the limit on such a signal by an order of magnitude. They also put limits on all other kinds of anisotropy, as they report in a paper in press at Physical Review Letters. "For the first time, we really exclude anisotropy," Saadeh says. "Before, it was only that it hadn't been probed."
But just how significant is that advance? That's hard to judge, Challinor says, because there aren't compelling alternatives to the standard model of cosmology that predict exactly how an anisotropic universe should be. "The problem is, what do you compare it to?" he asks. Still, he notes, "this assumption is fundamental cosmology" so "it's very important to check."
 


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Re: Did a hyper-black hole spawn the Universe?
« Reply #210 on: 22-09-2017, 09:12:36 »
Jel' samo ja smatram ovaj članak za totalnu fabrikaciju 'nauke' o kojoj oni govore ili ima još neko normalan ovde?
Misliiiim, tolke mlatke, jedva živi ostanu i nikom ništa?!?
Kakav bre big bang i planete?
To ne postoji, kakav bre univerzum 'with billions and billions...'

Karl Segan, gledaćemo se oči u oči na onom svetu, kad tad!



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Re: Did a hyper-black hole spawn the Universe?
« Reply #213 on: 05-10-2017, 05:16:52 »
Znamo šta Beteridžov zakon naslova kaže, ali opet, Itan Sigel se trudi da nas razgali spekulacijama:
 
 
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