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« Reply #250 on: 25-01-2018, 20:15:13 »
Sad tek kontam da se Hornov projekat zove Ghostwood Development i petljaju nešto sa Shiningom.

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« Reply #251 on: 30-01-2018, 22:50:26 »
Nešto mi nevešt prevod, šta znam...
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« Reply #252 on: 31-01-2018, 14:45:16 »
Viđeh na teletekstu epizoda 10/32, šta mu sad pa to znači?

Kolko epizoda ima?


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« Reply #253 on: 31-01-2018, 15:14:16 »
Čitajući vaše psotove, deluje ko lud zbunjenog, što za Linča nije ni čudo... Ali, gledate li vi, ljudi, istu seriju?

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« Reply #254 on: 31-01-2018, 15:33:48 »
The owls are not what they seem!

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« Reply #255 on: 31-01-2018, 16:37:30 »
Viđeh na teletekstu epizoda 10/32, šta mu sad pa to znači?

Kolko epizoda ima?



8 u prvoj sezoni i 22 u drugoj. Ima alternativna pilot varijanta, ako se ne varam, ali ne znam odakle 32.
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« Reply #256 on: 31-01-2018, 16:43:51 »
"Fire walk with me" kao dve epizode?
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« Reply #257 on: 31-01-2018, 16:48:13 »
Kakav alternativan pilot, prvi put čujem?

Nego, izgleda to prepolovljene pilot epizode prve i druge sezone (pošto su 90min) pa nije 8+22 nego 9+23=32.

Danas je valjda 11. epizoda, što je u stvari drugio dio S01E01.

Sve u svemu, neoliberalizam!

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« Reply #258 on: 31-01-2018, 17:53:49 »
ima taj alternativni pilot u onom Gold Box ili tako nešto DVD izdanju, ima na pajratbeju, čak sam svojevremeno i pogledao, ali koje su razlike ne bih sada mogao reći.

mislimd a je i 8 epizoda dugačka, pa je moguće da su i nju podelili. to mu je u stvari deveta epizoda, odnosno početak druge sezone.
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« Reply #259 on: 05-02-2018, 23:19:19 »
Tomat ili ko još čita te Frostove knjige, dal on piše o svemu i svačemu u cezi Tvin Piksa, svakom liku, dal nešto zaobilazi itd.. 

Jer eo reprizirah FWWM, i ono što fali u odnosu na TP je čitava biznis strana priče sa braćom Horn.

Naravno, može se reći da oni nemaju ni mnogo šta da traže tu, al čitava ta ekonomska strana je potpuno ispala iz priče, a bitna je bila u prvoj sezoni.

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« Reply #260 on: 06-02-2018, 00:37:08 »
evo, upravo slušam ovih dana Secret history... pa piše, piše i o likovima koji se u seriji ne spominju, u onom delu kada priča o periodu pre osnivanja grada. ne znam na šta konkretno misliš kada kažeš "biznis strana", ali ima reči o počecima Hornovih, razvoju i sl. ćaća mu je osnovao dženeral stor pamo negde početkom prošlog veka, a krenulo ih je kada je konkurentska radnja misteriozno izgorela. posle dženeral stor prerasla u robnu kuću, pa hotel, pa Jednooki džek, pa pilana... uz Martelove i Pakardove, Hornovi su verovatno najznačajnija vamilija u TP, a sigurno najbogatija.

u Secret history piše o svakom liku i istoriji lika, ono, kako su se smuvali Big Ed i Norma, pa Big Ed i Nejdin, pa Norma i Henk, kako je Henk prodao neku utakmicu u srednjoj školi, što je zapravo početak njegovog bavljenja kriminalnim radnjama, kako se doktor Džekobi drogirao... najviše prostora zapravo ima lik koji u seriji nije posebno značajan, Daglas Milford.
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« Reply #261 on: 06-02-2018, 03:05:35 »
Pa ono, od silnog fire walk with me ja vidjeh najviše vatre oko Horn braće. Praktično svako sranje koje pripremaju rade u sceni sa vatrom u kaminu u pozadini, a planiraju, jelte, jednu veliku vatru na kraju prve sezone.

E sad, neko može reći da je to sve stvar tumačenja, al mi takođe znamo da otkrivanje ubice nikad nije ni bio cilj serije.

Mali znak: u Norminom restorančiću u jednom trenutku se pojavi poster "Say no to Ghostwood".

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« Reply #262 on: 06-02-2018, 04:02:00 »
Da, nisu nikad planirali da otkriju ubicu, ali kad ga su otkrivali, Ben Horn je bio jedan od tri lika sa kojim su snimljene scene ubistva Medi. Ostala dvojca su Liland i BOB i te scene su upotrebljene u seriji, Benove nikad nisu i mislim da su uništene i više ne postoje, jer ih nisam nikad video obrisanim scenama u bonus materijalima. Ako ipak postoje, valjda kontaju da bi bilo i previše da prikažu, a možda ih čuvaju za season 4 i novu varijantu ubistva Lore Palmer u nekoj drugoj dimenziji. :D

Inače, Secret History nije toliko o Hornovima, ali u Final Dossieru imaš tri strane o Hornovima i Hejvordovima, imaš link ovde negde za torent, kačio sam, pa pročitaj. Ali ništa posebito bitno, vrlo kratko poglavlje. Koliko se sećam, samo popunjava rupe vezano za tuču Doninin očeva :lol: koja je bila jedan od nerazrešenih klifhengera druge sezone i pravda potpunu nezainteresovanost Bena za Odri u Returnu, kaže se da joj je sve vreme bdeo kraj postelje.
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« Reply #263 on: 07-02-2018, 23:20:12 »
Sad ja počinjem da izvoljevam, ali imal đe ovaj Finalni dosije u formi audiobuka?
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« Reply #264 on: 08-02-2018, 01:15:45 »
Tomate, imaš li kakih crnogoraca u familiju il ti piratebay ne radi? ;)


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« Reply #265 on: 08-02-2018, 01:16:10 »
Ili ovo na piratu nije to?

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« Reply #266 on: 08-02-2018, 01:31:38 »
Na piratu nalazim secret history, a final dossier ima EPUB, ili mi nešto promiče?
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« Reply #267 on: 08-02-2018, 01:49:38 »
Toeto, ja sam pomiješo!

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« Reply #268 on: 08-02-2018, 06:35:54 »
Nisam probao ali koliko vidim, audio book ima na Amazonu za dž, ako odabereš "Audible trail":

https://www.amazon.com/Twin-Peaks-The-Final-Dossier/dp/B076KWTWZL/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1518064429&sr=8-1
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« Reply #269 on: 16-02-2018, 14:19:42 »
Imal đe neko pisanije o omažima i uticajima, od noir Laure preko Shininga do Fredija Krugera? 8-)

Dal ima tekst o tom linčovskom sklapanju i preklapanju?

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« Reply #270 on: 17-02-2018, 13:27:59 »
Mislim da za tako nešto ipak moraš proširiti analizu i na filmove Dejvida Linča, kao što uostalom to čini i Tvin Piks: Povratak.

Npr, za sve srodne reference tipa poznatih filmova Alfreda Hičkoka koje Dejvid Linč nije omažirao u samom Tvin Piksu ali jeste obilato u filmovima, u seriji se samo nadovezao na to, pa Bulevar Sumraka, što je sigurno film koji je Linča u mladosti najviše fascinirao (oseca se taj vajb i u seriji) i slične stvari.
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« Reply #271 on: 17-02-2018, 18:34:19 »
Evo npr. dva zanimljiva teksta o uticaju Bulevara Sumraka i Hičkokove Vrtoglavce na Tvin Piks:

The Surprising (Other) Reason for the Sunset Boulevard Allusion in Twin Peaks
https://25yearslatersite.com/2017/08/25/the-surprising-other-reason-for-the-twin-peaks-allusion-to-sunset-boulevard/

When the World Spins – Connections Between Twin Peaks: The Return and Alfred Hitchcock’s Vertigo
https://25yearslatersite.com/2017/12/14/when-the-world-spins-connections-between-twin-peaks-the-return-and-alfred-hitchcocks-vertigo/
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« Reply #272 on: 18-02-2018, 01:30:55 »

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« Reply #273 on: 18-02-2018, 02:22:10 »
 :shock:
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« Reply #274 on: 18-02-2018, 18:05:23 »
Ne mogu da nađem sad video kad riba priča još sličnije likovima iz blek lodža, al ima brdo yt snimaka

Eo wiki strane

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Roberts

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« Reply #275 on: 18-02-2018, 21:05:30 »
Mislim da ti je to taj isti snimak, samo njen glas bez muzike. Bar meni malo liči.

Mada, u svakom slucaju nije backwards, mislim da je to više zaostavština puštanja muzike naopako i navodnih satanističkih poruka u nekim pesmama.

Najpoznatiji primer "Stairway to heaven" :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g8yc3Z3lN4
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« Reply #276 on: 14-03-2018, 09:28:41 »
Još jedan Hičkokov film, ovaj put Wrong man iz 1956:

https://twitter.com/MUGGER1992/status/971609456642609152
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« Reply #277 on: 23-03-2018, 22:52:33 »
Koga ne mrzi da čita, konačno objašnjenje svega (ili, barem, jedno od):

https://medium.com/@fatecolossal/the-dream-of-time-and-space-breaking-the-code-of-twin-peaks-f11484915098
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« Reply #279 on: 08-04-2018, 21:16:23 »
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« Reply #280 on: 08-04-2018, 22:30:38 »
The “There is no alternative” and “End of history” ideologies could not have triumphed after the fall of the Soviet Union without convincing the last holdouts that their dream—art—could be made within capitalist society, and herein lies David Lynch’s nefarious service to neoliberalism. Twin Peaks convinced us to settle for this being all there is by giving us a fantasy that it is not. The revival of Twin Peaks, in further “pushing the boundaries” of what is possible on television, doubles down on the function of the original. Forget the racist stereotypes revived by the foot soldiers of the Black Lodge, who look like they were lifted directly from Birth of a Nation. David Lynch’s real offense is to have made possible the last twenty-five years of capitalism, which may well have put us on the path to imminent planetary disaster.

https://tif.ssrc.org/2017/11/01/twin-peaks-and-late-capitalism/

ovaj baš ne voli Linča haha

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« Reply #281 on: 08-04-2018, 22:42:47 »
Taj bi streljao autore "The Royals" ili "The Crown", mada, i ja bi ih streljao.  :D
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« Reply #282 on: 19-06-2018, 15:54:05 »
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« Reply #283 on: 02-07-2018, 08:10:36 »
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« Reply #285 on: 26-08-2018, 20:57:47 »
Jadan, nadajmo se da ga Australijska turneja Returna neće koštati glave.  :(
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« Reply #286 on: 26-08-2018, 21:00:53 »
Nema levu ruku pa nije mogao da oseti trnjenje :lol:
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« Reply #287 on: 26-08-2018, 21:03:42 »
realno, samo sam čeko da neko pita jel ga nešto zabolilo u lijevoj ruci :lol:

biće meme crnjaka na sve strane cijenim

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« Reply #288 on: 15-09-2018, 15:53:41 »
https://25yearslatersite.com/2018/07/28/favorites-top-5-twin-peaks-theories/

Theory about Cooper’s hair

Before I had entrenched myself into the Twin Peaks community, I heard Scott talk on the Red Room Podcast about his hair theory (which now that I think about it I’d actually heard before I’d even heard Thorne’s dream theory explained in detail). In Fire Walk With Me, Cooper has his hair parted both to the side as he wore it in Season 1 and slicked back as it was in Season 2. If it’s parted to the side, that is from before the point in time when the Good/Bad Dale split happened in Episode 29. If his hair is slicked back, it’s during or after that Dale split.

Which means the Dale further along in his journey is the one who meets Laura at the end of the movie. It’s not a dream Dale or the new guy in town, it’s the guy who’s already confronted BOB and spoken to Margaret, Briggs, the Giant, and everybody supernatural. I realize a changing haircut is similar to a lapel pin appearing and disappearing (as in John Thorne’s excellent “Time and Time Again” essay from The Blue Rose Magazine #5) but the lapel pin involved Cooper’s state of mind—which can fluctuate as easily as confidence—rather than just signifying time continuity. Even if the slicked back haircut showed up in different time periods, such as before Dale shows up in town, it’s a place-marker on Cooper’s own linear chronology whether it’s in sync with the time we experience or not. Chronology can be mapped on a line, however squiggly, and Scott’s observation got me focused on a frame of mind that involved Cooper being out of sync with time as we know it.


Laura Palmer is Dale Cooper’s Mother

Our own Eileen Mykkels wrote Laura Palmer Is Dale Cooper’s Mother And Here’s Why near the end of Season 3’s initial airing and it checked off all my boxes: it’s way outside standard theories, way more plausible that you’d initially think, I hadn’t thought of it yet, and it’s mired in time continuity that needs to be unjumbled. I remember back in My Life, My Tapes that Scott Frost made Cooper’s mom mirror the appearance of Laura in one of Dale’s described dreams, but I never made the jump to ask if maybe that WAS Laura or that it meant she IS his mom rather than someone he confused with his mom. But Eileen made that jump and ran with it beautifully. Dale and Laura’s connectedness, their level of Special to the story, and even their tangled dreams, can all be explained with this theory. It gets way more plausible than it has any right to, and it does so immediately. It’s such a fun thought experiment I beg you to try it.


Naido-Is-Judy

T. Kyle King’s WE LIVE INSIDE A DREAM: Understanding the Finale of Twin Peaks: The Return blew me away with a Naido-Is-Judy premise on his podcast Wrapped In Podcast that I liked so much I had to request a readable version for our site. And I’m a Judy non-believer so that’s saying something (to me, a negative energy doesn’t have a personality/identity like, say, a Greek God would). This is by far the most compelling argument I’ve come across to make me change my mind, putting Judy into the role of a trickster and tempter hiding in the midst of the heroes by presenting herself as the thing the hero most wants to see, and being one step ahead of the hero because she is literally on the journey with him whether as Diane or Carrie.

I still put this theory’s probability on the low end of things, but I definitely rank it higher than the Judy Laura Bomb Pocket Trap Universe variations, and I found myself playing what-if scenarios in my head as Kyle went through his logical argument. If Judy did have to be a real character, I’d want her to be like this, hiding right next to the hero the whole time.


Distinction between Color and Monochrome sequences

Like Scott Ryan’s hair theory, I am confident “Very Important!” What Andy’s Vision Can Tell Us About Cooper’s Fate is true: In Shana’s words, “the monochrome images are things that cannot be altered (fixed points in time, for my fellow Doctor Who fans), while those in polychrome are in flux and subject to change.” Shana first said this on a Sparkwood & 21 Podcast feedback episode, and ever since I refuse to believe anything besides the fact that black and white scenes are unchangeable while color scenes are open to all possibilities. By the time Shana wrote it up for our site, she applied this logic to Andy’s Fireman Vision in most excellent detail (found in the article). She says this rule explains how Cooper created an infinity loop based around the paradox of Laura “I am dead, yet I live” Palmer. Which is funny because that’s not the conclusion I get from her rule, but as with everything Twin Peaks (and with my favorite theories as well), it’s about the journey and exploration. And an explanation as simple and elegant as this one can be applied to anything and it’ll enrich the scenario tenfold.


The Good Dale created Dougie

Our own Brien Allen’s I Need You to Make Another One – An Unlikely Origin of Douglas Jones is still a relatively new theory, but it got me to stop assuming that DoppelCooper is the only real option of Dougie’s creation. It’s already paying dividends too, as I continue to dig further into Dale Cooper as a character.

Instead of following what’s possibly misdirection, Brien investigated how such a generally benevolent tulpa was created from the shadowy side of Dale Cooper, and explored the conclusion that it couldn’t be. And then with his typical thoroughness he explored how DoppelCooper probably found out about Dougie anyway and may have come up with a plan to corrupt Dougie for his own purposes instead of the Good Dale’s purposes. Is the probability on this theory high? Not necessarily. Can you rule it out? Not on your life! This theory has legs, folks.
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« Reply #289 on: 20-09-2018, 14:15:06 »
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