Nije znala da je trudna...a onda se porodila

[Dybuk]

Ovo je mozda topik za Paranauku, Ezoteriju, dodatak temi Gluposti i sl, ali nadam se da neko zbilja moze da protumaci ovaj bizarni fenomen koji se uglavnom javlja kod Amerikanki. 

Neverovatna Prica: Zena (47) saznala da je trudna sat vremena pre porodjaja

Sigurno ste do sada čuli za primere žena koje nisu znale da su u drugom stanju sve do samog porođaja. Takvu sudbinu imala je i Džudi iz Masačusetsa kada je otišla u bolnicu zbog bolova u predelu stomaka i leđa.

“Doktori su mi rekli da imaju dobre vesti. Trudna sam i upravo se porađam”, ispičala je Džudi.

Samo sat vremena nakon toga rodila je devojčica Karolin Rouz.

Džudi i Džejson Braun su u braku već 22 godine, a sada su prvi put postali roditelji.

Novopečena mama rekla je da je primetila nekoliko promena na svom telu u toku poslednjih par nedelja, ali to je pripisivala godinama.

Otac Džejson još uvek ne veruje šta mu se dogodilo: “Očekujem da ću se probuditi i da će mi reći da je sve ovo bio san”

Ovaj fenomen je toliko 'uobicajen' da je snimljena i rijaliti emisija na tu temu: I Didn't Know I was Pregnant

Ima li ko da rasvetli ovu pojavu, jer meni deluje potpuno neverovatno....

[džin tonik]

zanimljivo, prvi put cuo. proguglao sta se vec ima za proguglati na topic; u nj postoji koji studij na pojavu, poneki palamud psihologa; kako god, nista konkretno sto bi rasvijetlilo fenomen.

znaci, kao ne postoji istaknuta poveznica, socijalni stalez, obrazovanje, dob, veza, stanje, zelja za/protiv, trabunjbla...

laicki-subjektivno misljenje: fenomen postoji. ima laznjaka, svjesnog tajenja trudnoce iz kojih god motiva, no rekao bih da ima i osvjedocenih pojava.

objasnjenje za veci postotak: tulavost. osoba jednostavno tulava. nista posebno i neobicno.

za manji postotak: (poneki) ljudski mozak smatram daleko mocnijim od trenutacno znanstveno dokazanog. znaci sposobnim da (pod)svjesno-ciljano regulira procese koje smatramo tek autonomnima.
kod nekih/rijetkih osoba dolazi do izrazaja pri ekstremnom stanju svijesti, primjerice velikom strahu, uzbudjenju, i na podsvjesnoj razini.
znaci, primjerice, strah od trudnoce, poroda, ekstremno kosenje trudnoce sa (dozivljeno) elementarnim preduvjetima, dozivljena ugrozenost, uz rijetku sposobnost regulacije "autonomnih" procesa, aktivira kontrolu dozivljaja, u ovisnosti snage ratia sve do kontrole (izostanka) simptoma, u korist djeteta/majke.

[Dybuk]

Vidi vraga, na tragu si necega zosko!

Mozda da se povuce paralela izmedju 'lazne trudnoce' gde zene imaju sve simptome iako nisu trudne i ove prave koja prolazi neprimecena. 2 strane istog novcica.

'tulavost' - tupavost?

Interesantno je da se ovo cita kao gotovo iskljucivo americki fenomen, ne znam dal to da prepisemo ovom delu o 'tulavosti'?

[mac]

Ne, to prepisujemo tome što se tamo od svega pravi vest, što u drugim krajevima planete prosto nije vredno priče.

[Dybuk]

Kako nije vredno price? Moras priznati da je cudno. Ali u pravu si, generalno.

Inace, pogledala sam par epizoda ove emisije na TLC, prva pomisao bi bila debljina/hormonski poremecaj te neke zene ne primete da se ista cudno desava u njihovom organizmu, medjutim dosta njih je bas u to vreme bilo na dijetama, trcalo, bavilo se nekim sportom, znaci nisu sve gojazne.

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tulavost = tupavost, naravno.

nisam procitao kao gotovo iskljucivo americki fenomen, to u startu odbacio. vjerujem da je uobicajena pojava diljem planete, tek obracena dovoljna pozornost u, jelte, naprednim drustvima s odredjenom razinom znanosti/researcha, kapacitetom i resursima za zadovoljavanje, hm, znatizelje, da bi kao predmet razmatranja doslo i do nas.

paralelu izmedju ovog fenomena i lazne trudnoce bih povukao na nevidjeno, kao i sam fenomen u biti blagim izrazajom kapaciteta ljudskog mozga.

[džin tonik]

brinem za reputaciju, topic-hijack:

boulevarni pravac razvoja diskusije:
trudnoca zene cini glupima!

palamudni pravac razvoja diskusije:
je li sam ljudski mozak najvisa instanca i autonoman van podsvjesnog, svjesnog cak, na primjeru fenomena.

[Meho Krljic]

Novi topic hijack:
 
 
Znate kako žene misle da kad su trudne mogu da se razuzdano odaju kopulaciji bez zaštite jer nema opasnosti da opet zatrudne? Ispostavlja se da... mogu. Ha!!!!!!!!!!!
  Forget What You Know, You Actually Can Get Pregnant While Pregnant
 
 

  In a disturbing twist that goes against everything we learned in sex education, a recent New York Times Q&A confirmed that it's actually possible for a woman to get pregnant... while she's already pregnant.
As far-fetched as that sounds, the science on this one actually lines up. In a creepy quirk of the human body, under very exceptional circumstances, a woman can continue to ovulate while pregnant and can conceive another child - something known as 'superfetation'. That means a woman can have two foetuses developing inside her at the same time, both at different stages of development. And we sort of wish we could immediately scrub that knowledge from our brains.
Before you panic, this is highly unlikely to happen to you or anyone you know. In fact, according to a paper published in 2008 in the European Journal of Obstetrics and Gynaecology it's only happened 10 times in the scientific literature... ever.
Many claims of double pregnancies over the years that have gone on to be debunked, but, according to the researchers, at least 10 of those seem to be the real, evidence-backed deal.
And since that paper came out, there have been a few other cases reported.
In 2009, a couple from Arkansas became pregnant after already conceiving two and a half weeks earlier. Both babies were delivered healthily by c-section on 2 December, with one baby measurably a fortnight more premature than the other.
And in 2015, an Australian couple gave birth to two girls that were 10 days apart in age at birth. So, how is this even possible? Superfetation is actually quite common in mammals outside of humans, and has been seen in species including rodents, rabbits, horse, sheep, and kangaroos.
Sometimes these mammals have two uteri to facilitate the double pregnancy, or sometimes their menstrual cycle simply continues during pregnancy. It's even considered a handy reproductive strategy in some species.
But, in humans, superfetation appears to be a very rare accident - that's because, as soon as a woman becomes pregnant, her body actively blocks a second pregnancy from happening.
"Ordinarily, the release of eggs ceases once a woman is pregnant, and the hormonal and physical changes of pregnancy work together to prevent another conception," C. Clairborne Ray explained in a New York Times' science Q&A this week.
But for some reason, in superfetation, a pregnant women still manages to ovulate. A male's sperm then manages to fertilise that egg, somehow bypassing the the mucus plug that blocks up a woman's cervix once she's conceived.
Finally, implantation has to occur - which is an incredibly delicate process even in ordinary pregnancies. And when a woman is already pregnant, her hormones should make the uterus an unfavourable environment for another fertilised egg to implant (not to mention that there wouldn't be much room).
"In order for superfetation to occur in humans ... it would appear that three seemingly impossible things need to happen," Khalil A. Cassimally reported for Scientific American back in 2011.
"Ovulation must take place during an ongoing pregnancy, semen must somehow find its way through the blocked cervix to the oviduct, via the occupied uterus and finally, the conceptus has to successfully implant itself in an unsuspecting already-occupied uterus."
Unlike twins - which occur either when a fertilised egg splits into two, or when two eggs are fertilised by two sperm at the same time - superfetation leads to a woman being pregnant with an additional foetus that's younger than the existing pregnancy.
So far, no cases have been reported of the age gap being greater than a few weeks.
According to the 2008 paper in the European Journal of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, whenever superfetation was confirmed to occur, the two foetuses had a separate amniotic sac. And they differed in size throughout the pregnancy and after birth.
Given the small sample size scientists have to work with, it's not yet clear why superfetation sometimes occurs, and whether whether there are any risk factors that can increase the odds of the phenomenon.
But Casimally notes that reports of superfetation are more common in women who've undergone fertility treatments, which could explain how one or two of those checkpoints get passed.
Despite how rare superfetation is, however, surprisingly, most babies conceived through the strange accident end up surviving.
The main risk is the fact that the babies are still born at the same time, despite their age difference - so one of the babies has the additional challenge of being born premature.
If your brain can handle it, you can find out more about superfetation here and here. The more you know...
   

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Fotografija novorođenčeta sa spiralom u ruci obišla svet

Jedna žena objavila je fotografiju svoje novorođene bebe kako u ručici drži kontraceptivnu spiralu, sredstvo koje je trebalo da spreči njenu mamu da zatrudni.
Lusi Helejn iz Alabame rodila je treće dete Dekstera Tajlera carskim rezom i tom prilikom hirurg je uklonio i spiralu.

Malom Deksteru je po svemu sudeći bilo suđeno da se rodi, jer se intrauterine spirale pokazuju kao neefikasno kontraceptivno sredstvo u svega 1 odsto slučajeva.

"Ovo je zapravo moja treća spirala. Prve dve su delovale odlično. Ubačena mi je u avgustu, a u decembru sam saznala da sam trudna. Moj ginekolog je pretpostavio da je ispala. Deksteru je bilo suđeno da se rodi. Iako ga nismo planirali, osećamo se blagoslovenim što je s nama", kaže Helejn.

[Meho Krljic]

Čovek stalno bio pijan - iako nije pio alkohol! Kad ono!


Man kept getting drunk without drinking. Docs found brewer’s yeast in his guts

[Truba]

kod nas je bila jedna debela gospođa, sad je pokojna, u zgradi koju je pogodio PAT... protuavionski top iz vojarne naše drage narodne armije koja je ciljala na civilnu zgradu
prošao PAT kroz balkonski betonski zid odbio joj se od guzicu i pao na posne kolače koji su se mogli praviti od malo materijala za vrijeme rata i uništio ih

poslije rata je bila toliko debela da nije znala kako je trudna sa 4. sinom Tarikom koji je rođen 1996.