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Meho Krljic

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Antifašizam
« on: 02-02-2017, 06:54:09 »
Možda nije loše da imamo poseban topik za ovo jer se poslednjih dana zakuvalo a čini se da će nastaviti da se kuva još koju godinu najmanje...
 
Naravno, termin "fašizam" je toliko preterano korišćen da danas ne znači skoro pa ništa više od "nešto što se meni ne sviđa". Tradicionalno, povezali bismo ga sa autoritarnim sistemom, društvom ujedinjenim na radikalizovanim nacionalističkim idejama, korporativnom državom itd. ali onda se tu pojavljuje nacionalsocijalizam koji je u formulu dodao antisemitizam, rasni suprematizam itd. i svašta dalje.
 
Elem, danas imamo velike pokrete  i partije u Evropi koje baštine ideje "tradicionalnih" evropskih vrednosti i suprotstavljanje imigraciji, liberalizmu (ekonomskom i inom), uz prstohvat ksenofobije i rasizma, a slični sentimenti su u Americi doneli na vlast aktuelnu administraciju, u kojoj jedan Stiv Benon zauzima prominentnu poziciju. Benon je jedan od perjanica alt right pokreta a koji bismo mogli nazvati ribrendiranim neonacističkim pokretom unutar kog se, čini se, temeljito primenjuje postmodernistički pristup bekstva od utemeljenja u velikim (ideološkim) narativima i oslanjanje na komunikaciju memima... Alt right se razlikuje od "klasičnog" neonacizma utoliko što njegovi proponenti većinskije pripadaju srednjoj (radije nego radničkoj) klasi, i što je njihovo dnevno političko delovanje u većoj meri zasnovano na ismevanju i ponižavanju (uz obilato korišćenje "postistinitih""alternativnih činjenica")  radije nego na otvorenom konfrontiranju i pozivanju na genocid. Sad ja ovo ekstremno generalizujem ali pokušavam da u tri poteza ocrtam politički trenutak u kome je pre nekoliko dana Ričard Spencer nasred ulice popio lakat u glavu dok je davao intervju televiziji.
 
Ogroman deo liberalne javnosti (aka Twittera) je ovo pozdravio ukazujući da "nacistima" (Spencer je visoko obrazovan, think-tank aktivista radije nego neko ko će juriti ljude po ulici sa bejzbolkom, sebe naziva identitetarijancem, ne nacistom, zalaže se za "mirno" vraćanje SAD belcima i vele da je možda baš on izmislio termin Alt Right) ne treba davati priliku da upražnjavaju slobodu govora jer njome pozivaju na nasilje pa je nasilje protiv nacista u ovim preventivnim formama zapravo samoodbrana, imunoreakcija društva koje je uostalom izgradilo ogroman deo svog identiteta na mitu Drugog svetskog rata i ajresivnoj borbi protiv nacista.
 
Problem sa napadanjem nacista (pogotovo onih koji su, kao što perjanice Alt Right scene jesu, dobro etablirani i sa određenom moći koju kontrolišu) je u tome što kada jednom sami napustite ideju da je sloboda govora nešto što čini društvo bezbednim ZA SVE i kada pređete u fizičke oblike konfrontacije, ne samo da od njih činite žrtve u očima manje radikalnih gledalaca već i pokušavate da ih pobedite na polju gde oni tradicionalno imaju prednost. Naravno, zadojeni smo pop kulturom koja nam govori da je napad na zlo tamo gde ga vidimo najbolji put do pobede dobra, ali to previđa da se u borbi protiv radikalnih, agresivnih tendencija u društvu, istorijski, pobeđuje ne angažovanjem jednako radikalnih, agresivnih taktika već upravo suprotno, obezbeđivanjem da društvo većinski štiti svoje pripadnike od agresije sa koje god strane da dolazi kroz institucije ali i kroz puku individualnu savest i grupnu solidarnost koje će na kraju dana i destruktivnim elementima obezbediti zaštitu ali ne i slediti njihove pozive.
 
Komplikovano.
 
Elem, ovo sve pišem jer je Milo Yiannopoulos (britanska alt rajt ikona, inače otvoreno, flambojantno gej muškarac, čisto da bude jasno da alt rajt i pored otvorene mizoginije nije "klasičan" maskulinistički pokret) trebalo da priča na Berkliju ali je predavanje otkazano zbog masovnog protesta studenata u kome su na kraju maskirani antifašisti gađali salu vatrometom pa je iz bezbednosnih razloga sve prekinuto. Neki od protestujućih se vrlo otvoreno zalažu za nasilan odgovor na primer Lana Wachowski koja kaže da ke apsolutno opravdano da se u ovakvim situacijama koristi nasilje jer će ga "oni 100% upotrebiti protiv nas".
  UC Berkeley cancels 'alt-right' speaker Milo Yiannopoulos as thousands protest
 
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The University of California Berkeley cancelled a speech by right-wing internet troll Milo Yiannopoulos after thousands of students gathered in protest and a group of black-clad anti-fascist activists shot fireworks at the speech venue.
 
The Martin Luther King Jr student union was heavily fortified behind several layers of police barricades when protesters began gathering outside at 5pm, three hours before the event was scheduled to start.
The gathering was boisterous but peaceful until about 6pm, when several dozen protesters wearing black face masks and carrying glittering flags arrived. The group quickly attacked the police barricades, then began shooting firecrackers at the building. Some used barricades to smash windows.
After about 15 minutes, a police officer announced that the event was cancelled.
Some cheered when the police announced the cancellation, but others continued to jeer and call for the police to send Milo out to face the crowd.
“Milo isn’t here,” one police officer shouted amid the din. “Milo isn’t here.”

Around 6pm local time, Yiannopoulos posted a statement on Facebook claiming that “the Left is absolutely terrified of free speech and will do literally anything to shut it down”. After the event was cancelled, and after the crowd watched a light pole that had been set aflame burn itself out, the atmosphere in the crowd quickly turned festive.

A large sound system was turned on, blasting music. The first song?

YG’s “Fuck Donald Trump”.

At one point riot police that were on the student union’s second floor appeared to fire less-lethal weapons at the crowd, but it was unclear what kind.
“We won’t put up with the violent rhetoric of Milo, Trump or the fascistic alt-right,” said a Berkeley history student who declined to give his name. Wearing all black and a face mask, and carrying a banner that read “Queers bash back”, the student said he identified with the “antifa” (anti-fascist) movement.
“We are willing to resist by any means necessary,” he added.

Lana Wachowski was another protester who defended using extreme tactics to deny Yiannopolous a platform.

“The moral imperative is to win,” she said. “There’s something to be said for fighting according to a code, but if you lose, people are going to die. People are going to get deported.”
 
“It’s absolutely acceptable to use violence. They are 100% certain to use it against us.”
The erstwhile home of the free speech movement has been divided in recent weeks by the Berkeley College Republican-sponsored event, with many students, alumni, and community members demanding that Yiannopoulos be stopped from spreading his racist and transphobic views on campus.
Last week, University chancellor Nicholas Dirks defended Yiannopoulos’ right to speak on campus, though he described the Breitbart editor as “a troll and provocateur who uses odious behavior in parts to ‘entertain’, but also to deflect any serious engagement with ideas” whose “act [is] at odds with the values of this campus”.
Dirks also addressed Yiannopoulos’ tendency to single out individual students on stage – such as a transgender student at the University of Wisconsin Madison – for mockery and abuse, which the chancellor said does “not justify prior restraint on his freedom of expression”.
The Berkeley College Republicans said in a statement that the opportunity to invite Yiannopoulos was “too good to pass up”, though it disclaimed that the group “does not agree with everything Milo has said or done, and totally disavow [sic] any violence or hurt that could result from this event”.
Just hours before the protests, Reddit banned an “alt-right” subreddit page, r/altright, that had become a community for white nationalists. The page now reads: “This subreddit was banned due to a violation of our content policy, specifically, the proliferation of personal and confidential information.”
Yiannopoulos is a well-known figure in the right-wing internet, though he was permanently banned from Twitter in July 2016 for instigating racist and sexist abuse of Ghostbusters actor Leslie Jones. Since 2015, Yiannopoulos has traveled to university campuses as part of his “Dangerous Faggot” tour, frequently provoking student protests.
A protester was shot and seriously injured outside a Yiannopoulos speech at the University of Washington on 20 January, reportedly by a Trump supporter who was seeking Yiannopoulos’ autograph.
 

 
O istom trošku, reddit je posle mnogo godina premišljanja povukao potez kojem su se mnogi nadali:
 
 Goodnight, alt-right: Reddit bans white nationalist forum
 
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Reddit has officially taken a stance in regards to its problem of being an internet hub for white nationalism. On Wednesday night, the open-forum discussion website announced it would firmly crackdown on a subreddit for the “alt-right,” a fringe right-wing movement that embraces authoritarianism, white nationalism and anti-feminism.
 
In a statement to the Daily Beast, Reddit noted that the r/altright subreddit forum would be banned due to members posting the personal information of others with the intent of causing them harm. The practice is also referred to as doxxing.
 
“Reddit is the proud home to some of the most authentic conversations online. We strive to be a welcoming, open platform for all by trusting our users to maintain an environment that cultivates genuine conversation and adheres to our content policy,” the statement read.
 
According to the Daily Beast, the altright subreddit allegedly had over 16,000 subscribers after President Donald Trump was sworn in.
 
In its statement, the company noted, “We are very clear in our site terms of service that posting of personal information can get users banned from Reddit and we ask our communities not to post content that harasses or invites harassment.”
 
It adds, “We have banned r/altright due to repeated violations of the terms of our content policy. There is no single solution to these issues and we are actively engaging with the Reddit community to improve everyone’s experience.”
 
The Daily Beast spoke with a moderator for the altright subreddit just days before it was banned. The outlet asked whether the moderators thought Reddit’s “politics would affect their space on the website.”
 
Disbelieving that they could ever be banned, the moderator replied, “As a privately owned company, Reddit is free to operate as it pleases, and this is merely a continuation of what it’s already been doing. Their policy hasn’t changed. As such, we will continue to abide by it to the best of our abilities.”
 

Meho Krljic

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Re: Antifašizam
« Reply #1 on: 02-02-2017, 10:54:41 »

Meho Krljic

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Re: Antifašizam
« Reply #2 on: 02-02-2017, 14:18:51 »
Tramp, u formi pitanja, kao da priča sam sa sobom, veli da ako univerzitet ne da ljudima slobodu govora i nasilno napada nedužne, onda... možda ne treba da dobija federalne pare.

Razume se, ovo je sve konzistentno: politika se vodi preko tvitera a napad na nedužne se rešava skidanjem sa sise a ne uključivanjem policije i pravosuđa.

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Re: Antifašizam
« Reply #3 on: 02-02-2017, 16:18:46 »
Odlična tema. Ali zašto to ne preneti malo 'vamo. Šta se dešava kod nas? Kako se kod nas rabe pojmovi fašizam/antifašizam? U svakom slučaju i jedno i drugo su uvozni prozvodi u Srba, prilično nekritički usvojeni i još jadnije primenjeni pa mislim da je to važnije i užarenije od Spencera itd.

Meho Krljic

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Re: Antifašizam
« Reply #4 on: 02-02-2017, 16:20:37 »
Pa, svakako. Ovaj topik treba da se bavi i time, ko god misli da ima šta na tu temu da kaže nek navali.

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Re: Antifašizam
« Reply #5 on: 02-02-2017, 16:34:20 »
Hajde prvo da pokušamo da definišemo šta je fašizam. Ja sam bio npr. etiketiran kao fašista od strane jedne liberalne omladinke jer sam se zalagao za prisilan rad osuđenih za najteža krivična dela. Aj čisto neka najosnovnija obeležja(apsolutno ne pretendujem na naziv stručnog lica za ovu temu):

zajednica iznad pojedinca, uvek i svuda
jedinstvo zajednice, uvek, svuda i po svaku cenu (znači hebo zakon, sud, medije, sidikate, ljudska prava itd, uvek je zajednica No1)
ideološka čistota, bespogovorno
stroga hijerarhija i poslušnost istoj
militarizam, koji se minimalno ispoljava u kultu mladosti, snage i telesnog zdravlja odevenih u kakvu takvu uniformu

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Re: Antifašizam
« Reply #6 on: 02-02-2017, 16:42:13 »
Pretpostavljam da su za tebe najteža krivična dela bludničenja nad mladim telima...

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Re: Antifašizam
« Reply #7 on: 02-02-2017, 16:44:23 »
Možda neonacizam ima radničke pristalice ali klasični nacizam je srednja klasa.

Mada, ovdje se fašizam i nacizam koriste kao sinonimi, iako baš nisu isto.

Nađite Šešeljevu disertaciju, taman je za topik, nekad se mogla naći na netu

Politička suština militarizma i fašizma
šta će mi bogatstvo i svecka slava sva kada mora umreti lepa Nirdala

Labudan

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Re: Antifašizam
« Reply #8 on: 02-02-2017, 17:33:25 »
B92 prikazao proteste na Berkliju, bogumi se dobro krljaju. Eh, taj Berkli...
šta će mi bogatstvo i svecka slava sva kada mora umreti lepa Nirdala

Labudan

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Re: Antifašizam
« Reply #9 on: 02-02-2017, 19:29:48 »


:)
šta će mi bogatstvo i svecka slava sva kada mora umreti lepa Nirdala

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Re: Antifašizam
« Reply #10 on: 02-02-2017, 19:33:48 »
Postoji li komunistička država, a da nije bila autoritarna?

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Re: Antifašizam
« Reply #11 on: 02-02-2017, 19:42:21 »
Žižek smatra da je Staljin demokrata! Kaže uhapsi čoeka i  on sam nekim čudom prizna da se ogriješio o Partiju i sam zahtjeva da bude kažnjen, nema primoravanja!

Tako da zavisi iz koje perspektive posmatraš

U svakom slučaju valja zarad teme razlučiti autoritarno i totalitarno, jer samo drugo je tema, mada će na Berkliju prvo da etiketiraju kao fašizam
šta će mi bogatstvo i svecka slava sva kada mora umreti lepa Nirdala

Labudan

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Re: Antifašizam
« Reply #12 on: 03-02-2017, 12:02:13 »


:)
Pa zar nikoga ne zanimaju misli mladog Šekija!
šta će mi bogatstvo i svecka slava sva kada mora umreti lepa Nirdala

Meho Krljic

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Re: Antifašizam
« Reply #13 on: 03-02-2017, 12:14:11 »
Ma zanimaju ali nema nigde sken/ elektronska verzija da se nađe a da kupujemo papirnu nismo dovoljno napaljeni.

Labudan

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Re: Antifašizam
« Reply #14 on: 03-02-2017, 12:46:00 »
nije papir ovaj citat

To je Šeki, misim fora je da piše kao pravi čoek komunista :)

Ah, zaboravio sam da dodam da su disertacija i magistarski objavljeni zajedno pod naslovom Vreme preispitivanja
šta će mi bogatstvo i svecka slava sva kada mora umreti lepa Nirdala

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Re: Antifašizam
« Reply #15 on: 21-02-2017, 09:26:40 »
Nakon što je Milo ispsovan u direktnom TV prenosu, stiže novi udarac: izdavač njegove knjige Dangerous, Simon & Schuster je rešio da batali ceo posao:

Publisher cancels Milo Yiannopoulos book 'Dangerous'

Naravno, sloboda govora itd. itd. itd.

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Re: Antifašizam
« Reply #16 on: 21-02-2017, 10:37:58 »

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Re: Antifašizam
« Reply #17 on: 22-02-2017, 06:13:19 »
I razrešenje:
 Milo Yiannopoulos apologizes for remarks, quits Breitbart
 
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NEW YORK (AP) — Polarizing right-wing writer Milo Yiannopoulos was by turns apologetic for comments he made about sexual relationships between boys and men and adamant he had been the subject of "a cynical media witch hunt" on Tuesday as he spoke after resigning as an editor at Breitbart News.
Yiannopoulos opened his remarks to reporters by saying two men, including a priest, had touched him inappropriately when he was between the ages of 13 and 16.
"My experiences as a victim led me to believe I could say anything I wanted to on this subject, no matter how outrageous," he said. "But I understand that my usual blend of British sarcasm, provocation and gallows humor might have come across as flippancy, a lack of care for other victims or, worse, advocacy. I am horrified by that impression."
The British writer said he was resigning from Breitbart, which helped make him a star, because it would be "wrong to allow my poor choice of words to detract from my colleagues' important reporting."
The apology followed days of criticism from fellow conservatives after the release of video clips in which Yiannopoulos appeared to defend sexual relationships between men and boys as young as 13.
In one of them, Yiannopoulos, who is gay, said relationships between boys and men could "help those young boys discover who they are and give them security and safety and provide them with love and a reliable sort of rock, where they can't speak to their parents."
On Monday, he was disinvited from the Conservative Political Action Conference after video of his remarks was promoted through social media.
Publisher Simon & Schuster announced it would cancel the publication of his upcoming book, "Dangerous." Yiannopoulos said the book had already received interest from other publishers and would still come out this year. He pledged to donate 10 percent of the proceeds to child sex abuse charities.
But he also said the flare-up over remarks made a year ago "is a cynical media witch hunt from people who do not care about children. They care about destroying me and my career and, by extension, my allies."
Yiannopoulos has long been known for provocative comments about women and Muslims and made his support for Republican Donald Trump clear in the last presidential election cycle. He was the technology editor at Breitbart News, whose former executive chairman, Steve Bannon, is now a senior adviser to Trump, who became president last month.
Before this controversy, Yiannopoulos was perhaps best known for getting banned from Twitter for helping to lead an online harassment campaign against comedian and "Ghostbusters" actress Leslie Jones.
Early in February, he was scheduled to give a talk at the University of California, Berkeley, but the speech was cancelled after violent protests.
Yiannopoulos has appeared, until now, to revel in those controversies and has portrayed himself as a champion of free speech. Tuesday's apology, he said, was the first he'd ever made.
Still, the video clips, he insisted, had been edited to remove important context. He characterized media reporting on the tapes as unfair and inaccurate.
 

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Re: Antifašizam
« Reply #18 on: 22-02-2017, 14:55:31 »
Nisam izdvojila vreme da se malo bolje upoznam sa njegovim delovanjem, ali ovi delici njegovih akcija za koje saznajem...vau, kakva kombinacija! Gej, rasista, mizoginista...trol sa imenom i prezimenom.

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Re: Antifašizam
« Reply #19 on: 22-02-2017, 15:21:29 »
Kad antifašizam postaje fašizam?
Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. - Mark Twain.

Meho Krljic

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Re: Antifašizam
« Reply #20 on: 22-02-2017, 15:25:41 »
Eno ima gore u Šešeljevom doktoratu nešto o tome. Da građansko društvo pokazuje stalno kolebanje na granici demokratskog i autoritarnog sa cikličnim padovima u jednu i drugu stranu a Šešelj kao ipak marksista ovo u velikoj meri pripisuje humanim načelima neprimerenom načinu proizvodnje i eksploatatorskim društvenim odnosima.

Verovatno ima i drugih faktora, ali pošto sam i ja odrastao na Marksu, ovo mi deluje kao solidna početna pozicija.

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Re: Antifašizam
« Reply #21 on: 22-02-2017, 15:51:02 »
Kad smo već na temi, Crackedov Robert Evans meditira o Alt rightu, nacizmu, Brajtbartu, Milu, Dejli Stormeru itd:


http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-ways-alt-right-turns-perfectly-sane-people-into-nazis/

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Re: Antifašizam
« Reply #22 on: 22-02-2017, 15:58:23 »
Meni ti "antifašistički" napori mnogo liče na fašizam.
Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. - Mark Twain.

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Re: Antifašizam
« Reply #23 on: 25-02-2017, 06:20:05 »
Pa... ima ovakvih i onakvih... Kako je "fašizam" sad reč koja znači užasno mnogo toga, tako i antifašizam, koji se definiše samo time da je protiv neče drugog, isto označava mnogo stvari, a neke od njih su i same problematične, for šr.
 
Nego, Vox ima detaljniji članak o tome kako je Milo Y. zglajzao sa nekih od svojih pozicija moći:
 
  Meet the 16-year-old Canadian girl who took down Milo Yiannopoulos
 
Ali zanimljivo je da čovek koji je organizovao hajke zlostavljanja ljudi (da ne kažem žena) koristeći falsifikovane podatke na kraju javno ostrakizovan zbog nečega što je samo jedno lično mišljenje. Kontroverzno, svakako, ali opet samo mišljenje nekoga ko je i sam bio u situaciji koja je kontroverzna. Rekao bih da je indikativno da se stvar preokrenula zbog mišljenja - kojim nije nanesena nikakva direktna šteta nikome - a ne zbog delanja kojim je nanesena dokaziva šteta mnogima. Outrage culture, reklo bi se.
 

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Re: Antifašizam
« Reply #24 on: 25-02-2017, 15:01:34 »
Седам комесара СКОЈа са Знака Сагите....  xrofl

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Re: Antifašizam
« Reply #25 on: 25-02-2017, 15:07:42 »
Poistovećivanje antifašizma sa komunizmom nam ni prvi put nije dalo sjajne rezultate  :lol:

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Re: Antifašizam
« Reply #26 on: 25-02-2017, 15:16:28 »
Погрешно си скапирао.
Поистовећивање је са 7 секретара СКОЈа, на то ме ова тема подсећа.  :lol:




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Re: Antifašizam
« Reply #27 on: 25-02-2017, 16:19:03 »
Nije pogrešno skapirao. Takvo mu je radno mesto.
Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. - Mark Twain.

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Re: Antifašizam
« Reply #28 on: 25-02-2017, 16:31:58 »
Хехе, увек ме подсећао на једног од ових комесара.  :lol:

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Re: Antifašizam
« Reply #29 on: 01-03-2017, 13:15:39 »
Anti šta? Sve je tako relativno zar ne. Histerični nasilni branitelji identity politike, transgenederizma, genderizma, islamofilije ne dozvoljavaju ikakvu argumentovanu raspravu kojom se može, ili ne može opovrgnuti čitava njihova ideologija, a svakog ko im se ne sviđa nazivaju fašistom, nacistom, rasistom... Sloboda govora strada. Stradaju prava, jer i suprotna strana ima svoja prava, i tako u krug. Scallop je čini mi se lepo rekao da čitav ovaj Antifašizam današnjice isuviše liči na fašizam. Dodao bih sa jednom razlikom. Koja se sastoji u tome da su se tadašnji nacisti i fašisti klanjali zajednici, naciji, rasi, vođi. Dok se ovi današnji "antifašisti" klanjaju "Toleranciji".
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Re: Antifašizam
« Reply #30 on: 01-03-2017, 13:19:48 »
Meni ti "antifašistički" napori mnogo liče na fašizam.
Ne liče, oni to jesu. I jedan i drugi su formirani na identity politici.
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« Reply #31 on: 08-03-2017, 02:07:43 »
Мондијалистички "антифашизам" не треба да занима никога у Србији.
Овде треба јачати националну свест, да нам се не деси да нам опет као 1944/45 на власт дођу битанге и барабе са петокракама и побију цвет србства, као и заслужне Србе!!!

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KO JE UBIO VOJVODU PETRA BOJOVIĆA?

Međutim, krajem Drugog svetskog rata u Srbiju je došla druga ideologija i “gvozdenom gumicom” pokušala da obriše kompletnu istoriju ovog naroda. Heroji nisu bili heroji, pobede nisu bile pobede, a i poštovanje se izgubilo negde usput.

Petra Bojovića je 20. januara 1945. pretukla grupa partizana koji su došli da ga prinudno isele iz njegove kuće u Trnskoj 25, u Beogradu. Prema jednom od svedočenja, ovaj sramni događaj izgledao je upravo ovako:

“Brozovi ‘oslobodioci’ upadaju u kuću vojvode Petra Bojovića u Trnskoj ulici pod brojem 25. Mnogo im se dopada ta kuća: rado bi se uselili. Kad su ušli, primećuju vojvodin mundir preko stolice, a na stolu vojvodinu šapku.Već i sama činjenica da je Bojović bio ‘kraljev vojvoda’ dovoljna je da ‘oslobodioci’ primene silu. Najpre šutiraju njegovu vojvodsku šapku, a potom, posle grubih reči, nasrću i na slabašnog vojvodu, na završnici devete decenije života.  Vojvodin sin Dobrosav skače da zaštiti oca, ali je savladan snažnim udarcima i ubrzo potom biće upućen u robijašnicu Sremske Mitrovice.”

Od povreda zadobijenih tokom batinanja vojvoda je uskoro preminuo, a njegovo telo je na Novo groblje prebačeno taljigama. Kako bi sprečili davanje počasti jednom od najvećih junaka srpske istorije, komunisti su na Radio Beogradu objavili vest da će svako ko pokuša da dođe na sahranu vojvode Bojovića biti uhapšen i krivično gonjen.


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Međutim, pri provlačenju Jugoslovenske kraljevske vojske, 1941. godine, u Sarajevu Dragutina Gavrilovića zarobili su nacisti, koji su ga odveli u logor u Nirnbergu, gde je bio do kraja rata. Kako su pre nekoliko godina objavile “Večernje novosti”, nova komunistička vlast kažnjavala je njegovu porodicu. Ćerke, u početku, dok je još bio u zarobljeništvu, nisu mogle da dobiju posao, jer se otac “nije vratio iz emigracije”.

Kada je umro, žena i deca nisu dobijali njegovu vojnu penziju punih deset godina. Označen je kao čovek bivšeg režima, a to se teško opraštalo. Pričalo se da je Dragutin Gavrilović bio hapšen, a potom pretučen na ulicama Beograda do smrti.

– Kad je moj pradeda došao iz zarobljeništva, bio je kost i koža. Bio je sedam dana u sabirnom centru na Banjici, gde se malo oporavio. Došao je kući i okupio porodicu oko sebe. Srce mu je desetog dana puklo od uzbuđenja. Umro je u svom stanu na Slaviji, 19. jula 1945, u krajnjoj bedi. Sahranjen je u odrpanoj uniformi pukovnika Jugoslovenske kraljevske vojske, u grobnici svoje rođake na Novom groblju, jer nije imao svoju – kazuje Miloš Marinković, unuk slavnog vojskovođe.

- Najbolji način da uništite jedan narod je da poričete i uništite njegovo razumevanje sopstvene istorije – Džordž Orvel.

У памет се комесари и тај ваш "антифашизам" немојте да продајете овде, него се или лечите, или се селите за Холандију, или под мач, што каже доктор Мирољуб Петровић... :lol:

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Re: Antifašizam
« Reply #32 on: 20-04-2017, 05:03:32 »
Book flips conventional wisdom on Hitler
 
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UNITED NATIONS -- A new book that examines previously restricted files from the U.N. War Crimes Commission cites documents showing that Adolf Hitler had been indicted as a war criminal for actions by the Nazis during World War II before his death - contrary to longstanding assumptions.

The book, “Human Rights After Hitler” by British academic Dan Plesch, says Hitler was put on the commission’s first list of war criminals in December 1944, but only after extensive debate and formal charges brought by Czechoslovakia, which had been occupied by the Nazis.

The previous month the commission determined that Hitler could be held criminally responsible for the acts of the Nazis in occupied countries, according to the book. And by March 1945 - a month before Hitler’s death - “the commission had endorsed at least seven separate indictments against him for war crimes.”
 
Plesch, who led the campaign for open access to the commission’s archive, told The Associated Press on Tuesday that the documents show “the allies were prepared to indict Hitler as head of state, and this overturns a large part of what we thought we knew about him.”

A Dec. 15, 1944 document submitted to the commission by Czechoslovakia accuses Hitler and five members of “the Reich government,” including his deputy Rudolf Hess and Heinrich Himmler, one of the Nazis most responsible for the Holocaust, of crimes including “murder and massacres-systematic terrorism.” A photocopy is included in the book.

The United Nations War Crimes Commission was established in October 1943 by 17 allied nations to issue lists of alleged war criminals - ultimately involving about 37,000 individuals - and examine the charges against them and try to assure their arrest and trial.

Its unrestricted records, related to more than 10,000 cases, were put online in July 2013 by the International Criminal Court after an agreement with the U.N. Three months later, then U.S. Ambassador Samantha Power announced that the restricted files - which contain some 30,000 sets of pre-trial documents submitted by national and military tribunals to the commission to judge whether a case should be pursued - would be given to the Holocaust Museum in Washington. According to the book, legally certified documents, government transcripts and interviews with torture victims “prove beyond doubt” that the U.S. and British governments were told about Hitler’s extermination camps in the early years of World War II.

Plesch said both governments acknowledged their existence but did almost nothing to stop the mass killings.

The earliest condemnations of Nazi atrocities were made in a joint statement by the Czech and Polish governments in November 1940.
In 1942, the American, British and Soviet governments led their allies in a public declaration “that explicitly condemned Hitler’s ongoing extermination of European Jews” and the book says that condemnation was far stronger than commonly believed.

“The records overturn one of the most important accepted truths concerning the Holocaust: that, despite the heroic efforts of escapees from Nazi-occupied Europe, the allies never officially accepted the reality of the Holocaust and therefore never condemned it until the camps were liberated at the end of the war,” Plesch wrote.

“The book documents not only that the extermination of the Jews was condemned officially and publicly by the allies but that specific features of the extermination were publicized, including a favored method - lethal gas - and the central place of execution - Poland,” he said.
Plesch wrote that it was beyond the scope of the book to assess why public condemnations of the extermination of Jews aren’t prominent in public and scholarly narratives of the Holocaust.

One possibility, he said, is that “significant parts of the governments in the United States and the United Kingdom were directly opposed to doing anything to help the Jews or to support war crimes prosecutions.”

Nonetheless, he cited material from the commission’s restricted archive which shows that hundreds of German “foot soldiers of atrocity” were indicted while the Holocaust was still underway by states where the crimes took place - and it shows that these national indictments were endorsed by the War Crimes Commission up to its final meetings before it was closed in March 1948.

One chapter analyzes country-by-country the indictments that began to be made early in 1944 for anti-Jewish persecution by Germans. It includes 372 cases submitted against Germany by Poland, 110 by the Netherlands, 91 by France, 52 by Czechoslovakia, 30 by Yugoslavia, 21 by the United Kingdom, 18 by Belgium, 14 by Denmark and 12 by Greece.

The book also notes cases brought against German allies Japan and Italy.

“Ultimately thousands of soldiers were tried for war crimes after World War II,” the book says. But Plesch wrote that “the commission’s files contain indictments against thousands of Nazis who were then allowed to go free.”
 

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Re: Antifašizam
« Reply #33 on: 20-04-2017, 21:09:48 »
Mučno je to, podsećati se na sva ta zla iz perioda ranog XX veka. Posebno danas kada se ljudi kojima je proklete političke korektnosti, tolerancije kao kulta, i celokupne paradigme koja svet u lancima drži dosta, i kada se isti okreću fucking poslu relativizovanja i revizije istorije. Ove totalitarne ideologije jesu otelotvorenje zla, i tu ne bi smelo da bude spora, ali kada vidim ko se danas naziva antifašistom smuči mi se. Totalitarno nametnuta "tolerancija", relativizacija svega, islamofilija, i ostale filije, feminacizam, "progresivizam" nisu ništa drugo nego fašizam! Protiv koga se treba boriti svim sredstvima. 
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Re: Antifašizam
« Reply #34 on: 21-04-2017, 11:31:26 »
šta će mi bogatstvo i svecka slava sva kada mora umreti lepa Nirdala

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Re: Antifašizam
« Reply #35 on: 25-04-2017, 15:12:42 »
fasista - produktivna nistarija kojoj nedostaju strahopostovanje i sirokogruda darezljivost spram neproduktivnih piskarala, dushobriznika, vucibatina, egomanijaka, neradnika, napasti, nametnika, palamuda, kominterne, povjesnicara, predavaca, umjetnika, primata, flore, faune i dodoa.


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Re: Antifašizam
« Reply #37 on: 06-06-2017, 13:05:46 »
Katherine Cross se raspisala najstrašnije ali ima ovde po koja pametna koja vredi da se pročita i promisli.

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« Reply #38 on: 07-08-2017, 00:56:44 »

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« Reply #39 on: 07-08-2017, 06:50:05 »


Pa jebeno je dovoljno da se vidi da koriste iste boje za svoj simbol. Crnu, belu i crvenu. Pentagram izbegavaju da ih ne bi povezali sa komunistima, a svastiku ili četverokraki kolovrat da ih ne povežu sa nacistima. Oni su u stvari inverzija iste ideologije. Kod prvih je obogotvorenje nacije, rase, plemena, sopstvenog. A kod ovih današnjih obogotvorenje drugih nacija i rasa, sopstvenih dupeta i ostalih organa, polova (osim muškog). Beli muškarci joji prihvataju taj koncept, a po kome je pol, rasa, i ostalo socijalni konstrukt, iz dva razloga, ili su latentni mrzitelji sopstvenog pola, ili se što je najčešći slučaj nadaju da će na taj način dobiti malo seksa od SJW ratnica.
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Re: Antifašizam
« Reply #40 on: 08-08-2017, 15:28:08 »
Beli muškarci joji prihvataju taj koncept, a po kome je pol, rasa, i ostalo socijalni konstrukt, iz dva razloga, ili su latentni mrzitelji sopstvenog pola, ili se što je najčešći slučaj nadaju da će na taj način dobiti malo seksa od SJW ratnica.

Браво.
У једном случају је то наука, а у другом - расизам.



Али, то није расизам, већ наука.




Oni su u stvari inverzija iste ideologije.

Тако је.


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Re: Antifašizam
« Reply #41 on: 08-08-2017, 21:37:14 »
Модерна антифа биологија...


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Re: Antifašizam
« Reply #42 on: 08-08-2017, 21:55:12 »
Модерна антифа биологија...



Nešto najbolje što sam vidijo u pošljednje vreme...
samo što nekako ja istinski nikad nisam bijo rasista...
to što i sam nazivam azijate žutima, crnce crncima, cige ciganima, itd, uopšte ne smatram rasizmom.
Kako drugačije da ih nazivam, jelte, kad su to što jesu?!?

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« Reply #43 on: 08-08-2017, 22:02:20 »
То је слика коју су ови испрани модерни антифа мозгови лансирали након напада на немачке жене од стране "миграната".

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Re: Antifašizam
« Reply #44 on: 08-08-2017, 22:18:12 »
То је слика коју су ови испрани модерни антифа мозгови лансирали након напада на немачке жене од стране "миграната".

Ludilo koje samo nedostatak razume može da objasni. Kako nikada ne naučimo lekcije iz istorije?!!!

1700 pne, umire Amenemhat IV, presto nasleđuje njegova sestra SobakNefru, nastaje borba za vlast, dok u okolnim zemljama višegodišnje suše pokreću talas "migracija", ona prima "jadne" i gladne iz svih okolnih zemalja. Naseljava ih po Egiptu, narod gunđa, ali nbez uspeha. 1685 umire SobakNefru, nastaje haos oko izbora novog vladara, severni prinčevi koriste "jadnike" kao podršku i uspostavljaju svoju vlast, ali za kratko. 1670 na tronu Egipta nije više Egipćanin. Nego Hiks. Yakober. Samo je okolnost snage domaće kulture sprečila da se istorija okrene na drugu stranu. Da su PC i Antifa vladali tada, od Egipta ni kamen na kamenu ne bi ostao.
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Re: Antifašizam
« Reply #45 on: 08-08-2017, 22:27:58 »
Слична историјска прича је и прича наших предака.
Из милосрђа су након 1043. године примили и населили разбијене помоћне трупе Ђорђа Манијака, а онда су се ови накотили до те мере да су преузели Косово.

Иначе, не интересује "модерне" људе историја.
Видиш да ове "модерне" интересује да ходају улицама ко зомбији и да буље у своје телефоне, макар их то коштало живота.
Pešaci ginu zbog telefona!
Na našim putevima u proteklih pet godina poginulo je 758 pešaka, a od tog broja čak oko 15 odsto gine na pešačkom prelazu, a pri tome veliki uticaj na stradanje pešaka ima upotreba mobilnih telefona, rekao je direktor Komiteta za bezbednost saobraćaja Damir Okanović.
“Deo pešaka stradao je krivicom vozača, ali na žalost, deo njih je stradao, jer umesto da su gledali oko sebe dok su prelazili kolovoz, gledali su u mobilni telefon”, rekao je Okanović za Tanjug.
http://mondo.rs/a1030429/Magazin/Lifestyle/Koriscenje-mobilnog-telefona-pesaci.html

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Re: Antifašizam
« Reply #46 on: 08-08-2017, 22:37:26 »
Слична историјска прича је и прича наших предака.
Из милосрђа су након 1043. године примили и населили разбијене помоћне трупе Ђорђа Манијака, а онда су се ови накотили до те мере да су преузели Косово.

Иначе, не интересује "модерне" људе историја.
Видиш да ове "модерне" интересује да ходају улицама ко зомбији и да буље у своје телефоне, макар их то коштало живота.
Pešaci ginu zbog telefona!
Na našim putevima u proteklih pet godina poginulo je 758 pešaka, a od tog broja čak oko 15 odsto gine na pešačkom prelazu, a pri tome veliki uticaj na stradanje pešaka ima upotreba mobilnih telefona, rekao je direktor Komiteta za bezbednost saobraćaja Damir Okanović.
“Deo pešaka stradao je krivicom vozača, ali na žalost, deo njih je stradao, jer umesto da su gledali oko sebe dok su prelazili kolovoz, gledali su u mobilni telefon”, rekao je Okanović za Tanjug.
http://mondo.rs/a1030429/Magazin/Lifestyle/Koriscenje-mobilnog-telefona-pesaci.html


Da, ali su naši preci verovali u svoju kulturu. A ovi današnji svoju kulturu gaze i pljuju da bi bili in! Takođe našim precima na pamet ne bi palo da rasprodaju svoju imovinu i odu severnije da kukaju kako su oterani.  Poslednji koji je imao pravi stav bio je Vuk Branković, posle njega sve ostalo je zombirano. A ovo danas i jeste zombirano... više mozga ima telefon nego oni...
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Re: Antifašizam
« Reply #47 on: 09-08-2017, 13:36:29 »
"Мозгићима" је данас битно да буду "социјално паметни"...  :lol:

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« Reply #48 on: 09-08-2017, 13:52:58 »
"Мозгићима" је данас битно да буду "социјално паметни"...  :lol:

Mozgičima? Ja odmah pomislio na orahe. :D Kad smo već kod antifa-fafanja, fali nam drug Raja, da nas brani od fašista koji nameću pravila. Barem je tako bilo u fimu "Tito i ja". 
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« Reply #49 on: 16-08-2017, 05:46:14 »
Zanimljivo istraživanje koje, razume se, ne treba doživljavati kao "definitivan stav struke" ili bilo šta slično:

 Psychologists surveyed hundreds of alt-right supporters. The results are unsettling.