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milant

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« on: 31-12-2004, 13:23:17 »
Jedno pitanje u vezi Lavkrafta, odnosno njegovih prica.
Cuo sam da se sprema neko srpsko izdanje sabranih prica, pa s obzirom da se Boban pominje u vezi toga, da li moze da podeli neku inside informaciju?

Ghoul

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« Reply #1 on: 31-12-2004, 13:45:03 »
2005. će biti godina Lavkrafta.

samo toliko mogu da obećam dok Boban ne progovori...

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« Reply #2 on: 31-12-2004, 13:50:22 »
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2005. će biti godina Lavkrafta.


Not even death can save us now!
My trees...They have withered and died just like me.

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« Reply #3 on: 31-12-2004, 14:46:45 »
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2005. će biti godina Lavkrafta.


Not even death can save us now!


Postoje i gore stvari od smrti.
"zombi je mali žuti cvet"

Ghoul

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« Reply #4 on: 31-12-2004, 15:01:14 »
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2005. će biti godina Lavkrafta.


Not even death can save us now!


Postoje i gore stvari od smrti.


a sve ćete ih uskoro naći, u jednoj jedinoj knizi, koja je u pripremi... :evil:

milant

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« Reply #5 on: 31-12-2004, 16:18:17 »
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a sve ćete ih uskoro naći, u jednoj jedinoj knizi, koja je u pripremi... :evil:


Dobro kad ce to da bude. Blize januaru ili blize decembru?

Ghoul

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« Reply #6 on: 31-12-2004, 16:26:15 »
rekao bih između dana zaljubljenih i dana žena...

Ghoul

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« Reply #7 on: 03-01-2005, 19:19:07 »
niste verovali kad sam kazao da će 2005. biti godina lavkrafta?

e pa, evo: dok čekate na moj magistarski  (biće, biće... uskoro...), i na definitivnu, neprejebivu zbirku HPL priča (biće... VRLO skoro...), i na premijeru kratkog DOMAĆEG filmića po Danvičkom Užasu (biće... valjda... nekad... ja samo znam da mene čeka divx...) evo malo filmskijeh vesti iz inozemstva da prekratimo čekanje:

pronađene isečene scene iz ultrabizarnog FROM BEYOND:
it seems... That some industrious snooper at MGM was digging through stacks of elements, film elements when they came across a can of little distinction... but inside... oh... the glory that was inside. After checking it out, they called Stuart to come in and screen the footage... turns out this was the lost MPAA enforced missing minutes of depravity from FROM BEYOND! Unseen for 19 years - believed to be lost for all time. Stuart said as he watched these spectacular moments of gore artistry, he smiled one of the biggest smiles of his life.
But - wait - it gets better... As a result, apparently sometime this year we're going to get a restored Director's Cut of H.P. Lovecraft's FROM BEYOND!!! Which kicks all manners of ass, since we've only been limited to Video to see any version of the film, till now.

Not enough good Lovecraftian News for you? Try this on:

Announcing the H.P. Lovecraft Collection on DVD based on films shown at the H.P. Lovecraft Film Festival over the last 10 years. Volume 1 contains Bryan Moore's Cool Air starring Jack Donner (Star Trek, Mission Impossible, Stigmata, Exorcism) a moving adaptation of Lovecraft's short story. The disk also contains many shorts such as Christian Matzke's Nyarlatotep and An Imperfect Solution (based on the original Re-animator series) and Anthony Reed's The Hound and The Hapless Antiquarian. Rounding the disk off are exclusive interviews with the cast and crew of Cool Air, an interview with Lovecraft scholar S.T. Joshi about his encounter with Dejan Ognjanović, bumpers from the H.P. Lovecraft Film Festival and a couple of Easter Eggs. Approximately 150 minutes of goodies. Available now.

Volume 2 of the H.P. Lovecraft Collection will be Rough Magik, a proposed BBC pilot created by Stephen Parsons (composer for Howling II) starring Paul Darrow of Blake's 7 fame. If you like the idea behind Delta Green you'll love this film. The Night Scholars, a clandestine organization setup to monitor the ancient cult of Cthulhu come to a single, incontrovertible, conclusion after compiling an enormous database of arcane information: the Sleeping God is waking. Diana Armitage, with the help of her Home Office liaison, the mysterious Mr. Moon (Paul Darrow), launch an aggressive campaign against the Dreamers. This operation designated the Rough Magik initiative is successful but they trod on the toes of some powerful people, amidst accusations of financial impropriety and possible treason, and the Night Scholars were disbanded. Now years later, the old magic is returning, the Sleeping God is rising, and there are more Dreamers than Mr. Moon can handle as he struggles to rebuild the Night Scholars before its too late. The DVD will also include Bob Fugger's Terrible Old Man (shown on CBC, Bravo! and Space: The Imagination Station) and From Beyond. Street Date is December 1, 2004.

Volume 3 of the H.P. Lovecraft Collection, we are extremely pleased to announce, will be releasing Out of Mind (shown on Bravo!) along with John Strysik's (a Tales from the Darkside staff director) The Music of Erich Zann and Aaron Vanek's The Outsider. Out of Mind offers the viewer a realistic encounter with Lovecraft and enters into his world. The film playfully winks at some of the themes characteristic of his HPL's work (the occult, cursed books, monstrous creatures, ancestry and the cosmos) and draws its inspiration from Lovecraft's personal correspondence and many of his stories, carrying the viewer through a labyrinth "beyond the wall of sleep." We plan to release the DVD by January of 2005.

We have 4 other titles in the works as well.

šta, mislite da je to sve?
NIJE!

MAURER/KLAUSMAN FILMS is proud to announce the upcoming release of their newest film, “Beyond the Wall of Sleep.” This VFX soaked, Lovecraftian period piece showcases the acting talents of William Sanderson (Blade Runner, HBO's Deadwood), Tom Savini (Dawn of the Dead), Rick Dial (Sling Blade), and is co-written/directed by Barrett J Klausman and Thom Maurer.  

LOS ANGELES, CA. -- Visceral Pictures and Triple "B" Productions is announcing it’s upcoming release of a Maurer/Klausman film: “Beyond the Wall of Sleep.” Produced by Jhano Ajamian, Jim Bolden, and Koko Polosajian, this 35mm feature film opens the porthole once again into the twisted mind of H.P. Lovecraft, author of dozens of early 1900's horror/sci-fi short stories. The film combines the writing/directing talents of Thom Maurer and Barrett J Klausman, a team that has been working in the horror film genre for the past decade. Through sheer force of will, they have pulled together a cast of cult favorites: William Sanderson (Blade Runner, HBO's Deadwood), Tom Savini (Dawn of the Dead, From Dusk till Dawn), Rick Dial (Sling Blade), Marco St. John (Thelma and Louise), and Bobby Jacoby (Tremors 1 & 3) amongst others to bring to the screen this tale of an unknown entity crossing over into our world and wreaking havoc on an asylum for the criminally insane.  

Beyond the Wall of Sleep, while finishing its 3rd year of production, is long awaited by Lovecraft and horror fans alike.

tjah, iskreno, ne očekujem mnogo do ovoga, ali OK, nek' se radi... možda nešto gledljivo i ispadne...

ne zaboravimo da Guillermo del Toro ima scenario za AT THE MOUNTAINS OF MADNESS – samo još da se nađe studio s mudima koji će to da grinlajtuje, i... eto nama HPL radosti.

uostalom, Ktulu je već pojeo 150.000 ljudi pre neki dan, da bi najavio 2005. kao godinu Starih Bogova...
ia! ia! the stars are right!
the earth is wrong!

taurus-jor

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« Reply #8 on: 03-01-2005, 23:45:51 »
O kolega Ghoule.

1) Srecna ti Nova godina, bila ona ktuluovska ili ne. :!:
2) Nadam se da ce vrlo, vrlo skoro izlazenje definitivne, neprejebive zbirke HPL prica biti josh skorije od datuma koji nisi saopshtio. :lol:
3) Zaboravio si da magistarski, kao u stara dobra vremena, napishesh u CAPS LOCK formatu, podvuceno, u italiku i boldovano.  xyxy  
4) Tata DANVICKOG UZASA je, pretpostavljam, nasmesheni kolega West, koji je, kol'ko se secham, na kvizu o poznavanju lika i dela izvesnog g-dina Vurhuisa osvojio paklenu Dzejsonovacu. :evil:
Teško je jesti govna a nemati iluzije.

http://godineumagli.blogspot.com

Ghoul

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« Reply #9 on: 04-01-2005, 02:15:15 »
o, jore, zelim i ja tebi mnogo pipaka i sluzi u 2005-oj!

ma znam bre, majka mu stara, kako se pise magistarski , no sam ovo do malocas pisao iz jebene Opere [unrelated to D. Argento], buduci da mi je pre par nedelja tsunami oduvao i.explorer i jos 300 drugih chuda, a fucking opera ne podrzava ove vizelne exhibicije [smajliji included] koje od malocas, nakon reinstaliranog windowsa, najzad opet mogu da praktikujem :!:  :!:  :D

brzina pojave NEKRONOMIKONA ne zavisi od mene, no od bobike, a posto se on vec opekao sa najavom onih vertigo stripova, verovatno zato ovde ne sme da najavi nista preciznije [da ne urochi].

kad bude, bice - samo da bude do april fool's daya!

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« Reply #10 on: 04-01-2005, 05:35:59 »
Postoje tri opcije za ovu zbirku; jedna koju bih ja voleo (to je ona za koju bi ghoul prodao ovo malo duse sto mu je preostalo), druga je ona koju bi ghoul voleo (skromna verzija, ali podnosljiva) i treca je ona kako je suizdavac celog projekta zamislja sto bi bila zbirka kompromisa. Posto su rovovski pregovori u toku, ne izjasnjavam se oko bilo cega dok ne budem video opipljive rezultate.
Ono sto jeste bitno, posle ove knjige niko nikada vise nece imati potrebu da radi Lavkraftove price na srpskom jeziku.
Put ćemo naći ili ćemo ga napraviti.

taurus-jor

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« Reply #11 on: 04-01-2005, 15:25:56 »
Cthulhu fthagn!
Teško je jesti govna a nemati iluzije.

http://godineumagli.blogspot.com

eric cartman

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« Reply #12 on: 05-01-2005, 16:02:49 »
Quote from: "milant"
Jedno pitanje u vezi Lavkrafta, odnosno njegovih prica.
Cuo sam da se sprema neko srpsko izdanje sabranih prica, pa s obzirom da se Boban pominje u vezi toga, da li moze da podeli neku inside informaciju?

Sta ce ti Lavkraft .To ti je lektira za osmogodisnjake koji vjeruju u cudovista .I tridesetogodisnjake koji su mentalno na nivou osmogodisnjaka.



hehehheheheh
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milant

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« Reply #13 on: 05-01-2005, 16:44:41 »
Quote from: "jackdaniels"

Sta ce ti Lavkraft .To ti je lektira za osmogodisnjake koji vjeruju u cudovista .I tridesetogodisnjake koji su mentalno na nivou osmogodisnjaka.
hehehheheheh


Bolje skloni ovo pre nego sto te Ghoul vidi.
Meni ne smeta, navikao sam da ljudi odredjenih mentalnih sposobnosti neke stvari ne mogu da shvate, pa onda kazu da je to glupo, za decu i slicno.
Ali ulogovace se i Ghoul....

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« Reply #14 on: 05-01-2005, 16:53:21 »
To i jeste mamac za Ghuleta  ,  al nemoj mu reci .
Screw you guys I'm goin' home

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« Reply #15 on: 05-01-2005, 17:06:24 »
Elem , sto mene zanima jeste , kako to da ovde ima pojedinaca koji su zadivljeni Ghuletom?Koliko nizak koeficient inteligencije treba da bude da se ne  shvati Ghuleta?U danasnje vrijeme (google time ) svako ko imalo koristi mozak , moze za par minuta naci sve informacije koje Ghuleta ovde nesebicno iznosi u svakom od svojih postova , pokusavajuci da zadivi pojedince kako je on najveci balkanski  pozvanaoc horrora , scifi-a, stripa , politike, religije , seksa, kuhinje itd...
O cemu god da je tema Ghuleta je taj koji sve zna , sve vidi i sve cuje. I to je O.K. To mu daje satisfakicju Treba se necim zanimati u maloj depresivnoj NB, inace mentalo zaostajes. Tu podrzavam Ghuleta jer se ne da. Sto mene brine je to kako on uspjesno gradi armiju sljedbenika koji su u stanju da ga bezrezevno podrzavaju i bjesomucno brane , cak i prijete sa njima. Vidjeces ti kad tata Ghule cuje za ovo.Dokaz za ovo ce biti postovi koje slijede. Go ahead....
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Ghoul

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« Reply #16 on: 05-01-2005, 17:21:56 »
Za svu dečicu i nedorasle među vama, evo malo konkretnijih detalja:

Naslov je NEKRONOMIKON: Najbolje priče H. F. Lavkrafta.

Priređivač sam ja. Odabrao sam 18 priča (od toga 11 po prvi put na srpskom).

Od toga sam preveo jednu kratku priču, i jednu novelu (Senka nad Insmutom). Nekolicinu novih preveo je Ratko the Tripper.

Redakciju svih prevoda, kako već postojećih, tako i novih, odradio sam ja (kako bi imena i pojmovi bili usklađeni, a i kako bi se ispravile neke brljotine i netačnosti).

Sve priče imaju opširne anotacije (fusnote) kako bi se čitaoci lakše snalazili u brojnim mitskim i okultnim referencama, i kako bi neke opskurnosti bile pojašnjene.

Svaka priča praćena je kratkim uvodom koji je stavlja u kontext HPL-ovog opusa i horor tradicije, govori o inspiracijama i uticajima, značaju, itsl.

Što je još lepše, svaka priča uvodi se originalnom, spec. za ovo izdanje rađenom ILUSTRACIJOM. Autor istih je Nikola Vitković. Ako Boban želi, može ovde da okači jednu (moja omiljena je za COLOR OUT OF SPACE), čisto da vidite kakva je to divota.

Pored toga, knjiga će sadržati i opširan Uvod (ili Pogovor), by truly yours :evil: , i detaljne bio-bibliografske podatke o Lavkraftu.

Boban obećava da to upakuje u zanimljiv font, a format će biti kao za MONOLIT. Biće, najverovatnije, soft i hardcover varijanta, a razmatraju se i neke fancy varijante (povez od ljudske kože, primerci potpisani krvlju priređivača, itsl.) o kojima ćete naknadno biti obavešteni.

Ukratko, za slučaj da to već nije očigledno, ovo će biti Ne-Pre-Jebiva knjižurina koju svaki self-respecting horror-fan mora da poseduje kraj svog uzglavlja ili frižidera sa komadima ljudskog mesa.
 :!:

milant

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« Reply #17 on: 05-01-2005, 17:22:02 »
Quote from: "jackdaniels"
Elem , sto mene zanima jeste , kako to da ovde ima pojedinaca koji su zadivljeni Ghuletom?Koliko nizak koeficient inteligencije treba da bude da se ne  shvati Ghuleta?U danasnje vrijeme (google time ) svako ko imalo koristi mozak , moze za par minuta naci sve informacije koje Ghuleta ovde nesebicno iznosi u svakom od svojih postova , pokusavajuci da zadivi pojedince kako je on najveci balkanski  pozvanaoc horrora , scifi-a, stripa , politike, religije , seksa, kuhinje itd...
O cemu god da je tema Ghuleta je taj koji sve zna , sve vidi i sve cuje. I to je O.K. To mu daje satisfakicju Treba se necim zanimati u maloj depresivnoj NB, inace mentalo zaostajes. Tu podrzavam Ghuleta jer se ne da. Sto mene brine je to kako on uspjesno gradi armiju sljedbenika koji su u stanju da ga bezrezevno podrzavaju i bjesomucno brane , cak i prijete sa njima. Vidjeces ti kad tata Ghule cuje za ovo.Dokaz za ovo ce biti postovi koje slijede. Go ahead....


Eh...
Citaj pazljivo. Nit mi treba Gugl nit Gul. Niti sam pretio njime zbog sebe nego zbog Lavkrafta. Ako je tebi Lavkraft za osmogidsnjake, daj molim te tog nekog ozbiljnog (a da nije PREPISIVAO od Lavkrafta).
Ali s obzirom na to kako ti shvatas stvari dzaba.

NB jeste mala, ali da je depresivna.....
Verujem da je svako mesto ponaosob u Americi a i sva zajedno daleko depresivnija od Niske banje (bez da branim Gula, jer nema veze sa njim, vec zato sto sam bio i idalje volim da odem - u Americi nisam bio, a nemam ni zelju...)
Sta je bolje domaca rakija ili Jack Deniels....

milant

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« Reply #18 on: 05-01-2005, 17:25:14 »
Quote from: "Ghoul"
Za svu dečicu i nedorasle među vama, evo malo konkretnijih detalja:

Naslov je NEKRONOMIKON: Najbolje priče H. F. Lavkrafta.


 :!:


Nadam se da ne upadaju U planinam ludila i Dekster Vord, jer ih vec ima na srpskom, a odnele bi dosta mesta....

Ghoul

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« Reply #19 on: 05-01-2005, 17:50:52 »
naravno da neće biti romana, u pitanju je izbor PRIČA, a najduža među njima upravo je već pomenuta novela SENKA NAD INSMUTOM (preko 70 strana). ovo ostalo je znatno kraće.

okačio bih i sadržaj, ali ajde nek ostane i neko iznenađenje. verujte da je izbor promišljen i pažljivo napravljen, i uopšte - da je ovo knjiga koja se pravi iz ljubavi (i nešto malo znanja), ni iz kog drugog razloga.

hm, dobro, možda malo da bih nervirao retardirane trolove poput džekita, ali njemu slični su samo kolateralna šteta o kojoj ne vredi ozbiljnije razmišljati... :twisted:

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« Reply #20 on: 05-01-2005, 18:08:11 »
Mozda ne bi bilo lose natopiti sundjeraste korice specijalnih primeraka sa po 200 g krvi priredjivaca tako da bude zaista ogranicen broj primeraka istih.
Ghpul u svakoj kuci, ghoul konacno sjedinjen s Lavkraftom, ghoul utkan u svoje konacno delo...
Put ćemo naći ili ćemo ga napraviti.

milant

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« Reply #21 on: 05-01-2005, 18:16:14 »
Ghoule oce li ta knjiga skoro?

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« Reply #22 on: 03-03-2005, 03:37:33 »
Quote from: "Ghoul"
rekao bih između dana zaljubljenih i dana žena...

Kakve su sada informacije? Kada ce?
Pazite, informacije, ne dezinformacije!
You're dead, son. Get yourself buried.

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« Reply #23 on: 03-03-2005, 12:10:10 »
A da se ogrebem i ja... Vertigo temu takodje treba updateovati sa svezim informacijama.
Nekoć si bio punk, sad si Štefan Frank.

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« Reply #24 on: 03-03-2005, 19:40:13 »
5
You're dead, son. Get yourself buried.

Morticia

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« Reply #25 on: 04-03-2005, 21:47:00 »
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You're dead, son. Get yourself buried.

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Hm...
« Reply #26 on: 05-03-2005, 01:55:36 »
Po Sjeni nad Insmutom je napravljena jedna od najboljih igara avanturističkog žanra - SHADOW OF THE COMET. Dizajnirao ju je isti čovjek koji je stvorio i Alone in the Dark.

Ej, Ghoule, šta misliš o onom filmu The Curse koji je snimljen po priči Colour out of Space?

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« Reply #27 on: 06-03-2005, 00:42:29 »
3 (ja i dalje odbrojavam)
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« Reply #28 on: 06-03-2005, 01:27:51 »
Quote from: "Morticia"
3 (ja i dalje odbrojavam)

Ako nastaviš u istom ritmu, odbrojavanje će sigurno da potraje do dobrih -100. :evil:

Dakle, biće valjda do ljeta.  :roll:

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« Reply #29 on: 06-03-2005, 14:39:57 »
THE CURSE je (skoro) negledljiva blasfemija i budalaština, ne samo kao adaptacija nedostižno genijalne priče, već i nevezano za nju, kao horor, kao film - it just sucks donkey balls!

što se tiče knjige - vidim da boban mudro ćuti. :roll:

materijal neće biti spreman za tehničku obradu bar još 2-3 nedelje, jer sve ovo vreme alnari i boban nisu mogli da nađu prevodioce za 3 dugačke priče. kad dobijem i redigujem i anotiram te prevode, sve će biti u bobanovim rukama. for better or worse.

ukratko, iz sasvim bezveznog i nepotrebnog razloga, ovo je rastegnuto ovoliko, i sumnjam da će u štampu ući pre kraja aprila ili poč. maja.

ali - sem ako ga neko ne zasere u kasnijim fazama s kojima nemam ništa - verujte da će ova knjiga vredeti čekanja...

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« Reply #30 on: 06-03-2005, 22:19:26 »
Quote from: "Ghoul"
i sumnjam da će u štampu ući pre kraja aprila ili poč. maja  

Rekla bih, dajuci vam na to jos nekih mesec-dva fore, knjiga taman izlazi za moj rodjendan! xrofl

edit - imala sam jedno J vise. gotovo je sa J-less danom. :!:
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« Reply #31 on: 07-03-2005, 00:21:41 »
Hm, ja sam jedan od faktora koji usporava pojavljivanje zbirke. Prevodim dve price i sto se mene (i jos jednog prevodioca) tice sve ce biti gotovo za najkasnije desetak dana. Ostalo...  :lol:
Da nema vetra, pauci bi nebo premrezili.

milant

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« Reply #32 on: 07-03-2005, 10:46:56 »
Pa s dosadasnjim iskustvom u kobimnaciji prevodioci - Alnari ( u vezi Zelzanija), nadam se da ce knjiga biti spremna za Sajam knjiga.

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« Reply #33 on: 14-03-2005, 19:11:36 »
Lovecraft mystery explored in documentary

Despite the consensus by many scholars that horror master H.P. Lovecraft never even set foot in Europe, filmmakers Federico Greco and Robert Leggio have crafted the documentary ROAD TO L., which claims otherwise. Could the esoteric nature of Lovecraft the man be explained by a manuscript he supposedly wrote that was uncovered in present-day Italy? In 1997, folklore student Andrea Roberti went to explore the link between the great American writer and the dark folk tales of the Po Delta, and was never seen again. Greco and Leggio traveled to the town of Loreo (referred to as "L." in that manuscript) to seek the answers to Roberti’s disappearance and Lovecraft’s possible experience with the sinister being of the Po Delta. They discovered that the locals were keeping something secret, and this BLAIR WITCH-style film explores whether many of Lovecraft’s creations were inspired by a real malevolent entity, and questions why his private life was such a secret. A coproduction of Digital Desk and Minerva Pictures, ROAD TO L. was recently completed and is currently seeking distribution.


OVO GORE JE TOTALNO PREPOSTEROUS, HPL-OV ŽIVOT JE PRILIČNO DETALJNO POKRIVEN, MALTENE SE ZNA KOG JE DANA ŠTA IMAO ZA DORUČAK, TAKO DA JE U PITANJU ČISTA FABRIKACIJA I FIKCIJA - ON U ITALIJI NIJE BIO.

ŠTO NARAVNO NE ZNAČI DA FILMIĆ NIJE ZANIMLJIV I INSPIRATIVAN... ŠTAVIŠE.

milant

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« Reply #34 on: 29-06-2005, 10:36:43 »
U januaru ste rekli Lavkraft u martu. Od tog obecanja je proslo sest meseci. Hoce li biti taj Lavkraft ili ode kuca? ;)

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« Reply #35 on: 30-06-2005, 01:31:43 »
Quote from: "Morticia"
Rekla bih, dajuci vam na to jos nekih mesec-dva fore, knjiga taman izlazi za moj rodjendan! xrofl


Koji po redu?  :lol:

Ghoul

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« Reply #36 on: 30-06-2005, 01:59:06 »
materijal za knjigu je odavno spreman, ili na ivici spremnosti.

ODAVNO.

a onda... čitavi meseci NIČEGA. od strane onih koji su to naručili.

no, kad se te druge strukture neozbiljno ponašaju, sve opcije su otvorene...
 8)

Ghoul

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« Reply #37 on: 04-09-2005, 21:06:48 »
Ova zbirka bi, ako sve bude po planu (koji se stalno menja...), trebalo da izađe do Sajma Knjiga. Nadam se – ovogodišnjeg.


Evo definitivnog sadržaja:


NEKRONOMIKON

Najbolje horor priče Hauarda F. Lavkrafta


Izbor,
redakcija prevoda
uvod, pogovor i sav propratni kritički materijal:
Dejan Ognjanović



UVOD

Izabrane priče, naslov originala i ime prevodioca:

1.   ISTORIJA NEKRONOMIKONA (History of the Necronomicon; Dejan Ognjanović)  
2.   NIARLATOTEP (Nyarlahotep; Dejan Ognjanović)  
3.   DAGON (Dagon; Ratko Radunović)  
4.   HRAM (The Temple; Jasna Jovanov)
5.   ČUDNA VISOKA KUĆA U IZMAGLICI (The Strange High House in the Mist; A.B. Nedeljković)
6.   FESTIVAL (The Festival; Ratko Radunović)  
7.   GONIČ (The Hound; Dejan Ognjanović)  
8.   HERBERT VEST – REANIMATOR (Herbert West – Re-Animator;  Aleksandar Mirjanić i Dragana Štrbac)    
9.   S ONE STRANE (From Beyond; Ratko Radunović)  
10.   PIKMENOV MODEL (Pickman's Model; A.B. Nedeljković)  
11.   MUZIKA ERIKA ZANA (The Music of Erich Zann; Ratko Radunović i Dejan Ognjanović)  
12.   ISPOD PIRAMIDA (Under the Pyramids; Jasna Jovanov)  
13.   PACOVI U ZIDOVIMA (The Rats in the Walls; A.B. Nedeljković)  
14.   UKLETA KUĆA (The Shunned House; Jasna Jovanov)  
15.   SNOVI U VEŠTIČJOJ KUĆI (Dreams in the Witch House; Jasna Jovanov)  
16.   DANIČKI UŽAS (The Dunwich Horror; Dejan Ognjanović)    
17.   U ZIDINAMA ERIKSA (In the Walls of Eryx; Violeta Stojičić)  
18.   BOJA IZVAN OVOG SVEMIRA (The Colour out of Space; Aleksandar Mirjanić i Dragana Štrbac)  
19.   SENKA NAD INSMUTOM (The Shadow over Innsmouth; Dejan Ognjanović)  
20.   ZOV KTULUA (The Call of Cthulhu; Dejan Ognjanović)  

NAPOMENE

BIOGRAFIJA

KOMPLETAN HRONOLOŠKI SPISAK SVIH LAVKRAFTOVIH PROZNIH DELA

POGOVOR

ANOTIRANA BIBLIOGRAFIJA

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« Reply #38 on: 04-09-2005, 23:03:55 »
Bolje da se zbirka zove ILI JESI, ILI NISI LAVkraft pa da vas sponzorise Celarevo..
Nema potrebe da zalis me, mene je vec sram
Nema potrebe da hvalis me, dobro ja to znam

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« Reply #39 on: 05-09-2005, 02:56:39 »
Quote from: "Ghoul"
materijal za knjigu je odavno spreman, ili na ivici spremnosti.

ODAVNO.

a onda... čitavi meseci NIČEGA. od strane onih koji su to naručili.


Istine radi, fajl koji si dostavio s propratnim rečima da je to konačna i definitivna verzija formiran je 2. avgusta ove godine, baš u danu kada sam otišao na krstarenje.
Da li treba da napomenem da je početna dužina materijala umnogostručena do neprepoznatljivosti?
No, uprkos svakojakim ovakvim nedaćama, posao će biti priveden u razumnom roku pošto se svemu pristupilo na temeljuit način, u prilog čemu govori i moj avatar.
Put ćemo naći ili ćemo ga napraviti.

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« Reply #40 on: 05-09-2005, 03:15:01 »
Znaci, obecavas nam Bobane, stavise tvrdis, da ce izaci do Sajma?
Hip-hip-HURRAY!
Nekoć si bio punk, sad si Štefan Frank.

Ghoul

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« Reply #41 on: 05-09-2005, 14:56:09 »
Quote from: "Boban"
Quote from: "Ghoul"
materijal za knjigu je odavno spreman, ili na ivici spremnosti.
a onda... čitavi meseci NIČEGA. od strane onih koji su to naručili.


Istine radi, fajl koji si dostavio s propratnim rečima da je to konačna i definitivna verzija formiran je 2. avgusta ove godine, baš u danu kada sam otišao na krstarenje.


ISTINE radi, materijal je mesecima stajao na 92.34 % završenosti, dok se čekalo da obezbediš prevodioce za 3 dugačke priče, a potom, dok se čekalo da se uopšte javiš s nečim konkretnim - a u međuvremenu se priređivač bavio nekim vitalnim poslovima koje je, in the 1st place, odložio zbog rada na ovome.

ali dobro, pretpostavljam da može i gore.

važno je da avatar bude zadovoljan.
i čitaoci - kad/ako knjiga do njih dođe.

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« Reply #42 on: 05-09-2005, 14:59:25 »
E, super za knjigu i sve to, ali zašto "Danički" užas? Mislim, zašto bez "v"?
My trees...They have withered and died just like me.

Ghoul

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« Reply #43 on: 05-09-2005, 15:08:14 »
stvar je proverena kod najkompetentijih svetskih experata - TAKO se izgovara, bez V.

isto kao, npr, Norwich koji se kaže NORIČ.


kad sam kod toga - mada je ovo objašnjeno u UVODU- i INSMUT nema 'A', odnosno izgovara se isto kao Bornmouth (Bornmut), Plymouth (Plimut) i sl. toponimi sa 'mouth'.

Lurd

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« Reply #44 on: 05-09-2005, 15:15:15 »
Za toponime nije sporno, to znam. A nisam znao da li je Danič isto što i Norič. Mislim, nije da sam nešto sumnjao, ali morao sam da pitam zato što je priča već objavljivana kao "Danvički užas".
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Ghoul

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« Reply #45 on: 05-09-2005, 15:18:47 »
sve što je već ranije objavljeno, kao i svi novi prevodi, detaljno je pročešljano, upoređeno s originalima, i korigovano svuda gde sam procenio da treba.

zapazićeš da za DANIČ nije naveden raniji prevodilac...

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« Reply #46 on: 05-09-2005, 15:21:04 »
Da, nego kad smo već tu. Ovo nije prozivka samo pitanje za Pikmana i Pikmena.
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Ghoul

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« Reply #47 on: 05-09-2005, 15:23:59 »
šta je pitanje?

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« Reply #48 on: 05-09-2005, 15:27:26 »
Quote from: "Ghoul"
stvar je proverena kod najkompetentijih svetskih experata - TAKO se izgovara, bez V.

isto kao, npr, Norwich koji se kaže NORIČ.

Ne verujem ni da se čita r, te verovatno zvuči ko tipično engleski krompirski izgovor:
NOOOUIČ ili slično nešto  :P
There must be a happy medium somewhere between being totally informed and blissfully unaware.

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« Reply #49 on: 05-09-2005, 15:29:32 »
Kako si odlučio da Pikman postane Pikmen? Možda i jeste pravilnije, ali mi Pikman deluje arhaičnije i više u skladu sa duhom priče, mada ne znam kakav je ceo prevod.

Loe, naravno da nije fora u tome kako izgovaraju ljudi, već kako se to transkribuje.
My trees...They have withered and died just like me.

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« Reply #50 on: 05-09-2005, 15:34:24 »
Ali bi malo blentavo bilo da se čitaocima zvekne nešto kao Noič jer nije, a nije ni Norič u svakom slučaju.

Što se tiče Pikmena to je kao Pajkmen, je li? Englezi ne kažu men već to e ide na a.
There must be a happy medium somewhere between being totally informed and blissfully unaware.

Lurd

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« Reply #51 on: 05-09-2005, 15:36:09 »
Da, ali ovaj je Amerikanac. Doduše, Nova Engleska, ali opet. U originalu je Pickman.

Kako to misliš nije Norič? Pa kako se transkribuje?
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Ghoul

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« Reply #52 on: 05-09-2005, 15:39:05 »
kao i uvek kod ovakvih rabota -dakle, sa autorima koji imaju kultni status- čovek se uvek sudari sa očekivanjima i pretpostavkama fanova. teško je sve zadovoljiti.

osnovni princip je da se poslu priđe sa a) znanjem, b) ljubavlju i c) dobrim instinktom.

u nekim slučajevima, kao u ovom, moraš da prihvatiš gut feeling onoga ko je to radio (plus to da se ime zaista izgovara kao PikmEn).


jedino svesno odstupanje koje nisam ispravljao jeste - Ktulu.
ime ovog stvora je opšteprihvaćeno sa ovakvim izgovorom (tj K'tulu, Ka-Tulu, i sl.) tako da nisam želeo da 100% dosledno sledim HPLovo uputstvo, koje je uostalom dato u jednom privatnom PISMU, da se po njemu to ime izgovara najpribližnije kao K'lulu - sa L).

u svakom slučaju, nad svakom odlukom sam porazmislio, i sve je urađeno svesno, i s razlogom (čak i onda kad je taj razlog ' instinkt' - barem nije instinkt nekog priučenog amatera koji je uzeo da što pre otalja rabotu i zgrabi pare)...

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« Reply #53 on: 05-09-2005, 15:42:54 »
Ništa nije sporno, a upravo to me zanimalo.
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« Reply #54 on: 09-09-2005, 12:52:22 »
Moram samo da kazem par stvari koje se ticu zbirke prica koja treba da izadje. Za pohvalu je sto se neko konacno latio da izda neke Lavkraftove price. Ipak moram da uputim par kritika, iako sam vatreni obozavalac doticnog. Mislim da je ranije pisano da se nece ponavljati ranije izdate price, ali moram da primetim da se na spisku prica nalaze 4 price objavljene u zbirci "S onu stranu sna" - Rec i misao. Pre nekoliko godina sam "slucajno" sreo i pricao, u knjizari "Solaris" u N.S. dok sam drzao u ruci primerak istoimene knjige,  sa gospodinom Svetislavom Jovanov-om, koji mi je tom prilikom rekao kako je ta knjiga izdavana vise puta i kako niko ne zeli da prevede Lavkraftove price za nase citaoce. Prevode je radila njegova zena, Jasna Jovanov. Hocu da kazem da ste se mogli malo vise angazovati na prevodu prica i izabrati neke koje se dosad nisu pojavile kod nas. Posto nisam iz BG, mislim da se u stripoteci-knjizari "Alan Ford" mogla kupiti knjiga od Lavkrafta "Reanimator i druge price" koja je izdata u Hrvatskoj. Ja sam je kupio na sajmu knjiga u BG prosle godine, i opet moram da primetim da se iz te knjige javljaju 4 price koje ce ovde biti izdate. Ok, knjiga nije izdata kod nas, to stoji, ali onaj ko je cuo za tu knjigu ili je video, verujem da ju je kupio. A sada kada kod nas treba da izadje zbirka prica od HPL ispadne da je "pola" tih prica vec ranije izdato ili moglo da se "nabavi sa strane". Koliko sam ja upucen postoji preko 100 prica i eseja od HPL i prica radjenih u kolaboraciji sa HPL. Pitanje je sledece: "Zasto se, opet, izdaju price koje su vec izdate ili su se mogle nabaviti, kada postoji ne velik nego ogroman izbor prica za prevod ?"

Nadam se da nisam bio previse kritican i da ljudi nece moje misljenje uzeti suvise strogo ili smatrati za uvredu.[/b]

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« Reply #55 on: 09-09-2005, 14:55:44 »
IO, shvatam da si dobronameran, ali tvoje primedbe ne stoje iz sledećih razloga:

1.   NIKO ovde nije kazao da će SVE priče biti nove, naprotiv, na prvoj strani topika, ako si je uopšte čitao, piše:
'Priređivač sam ja. Odabrao sam 18 priča (od toga 11 po prvi put na srpskom)'
U međuvremenu samo tome DODAO još 2 kratke stvarčice, tako da saldo sada iznosi 11 novih : 9 ranije prevedenih. A ako se gleda broj stranica NOVOG materijala onda je saldo znatno veći, jer su među stvarima po 1. put na srpskom čak 3 novele i jedna dugačka priča – mrzi me sad da brojim strane, ali odoka bih kazao da knjiga, ako bude imala recimo 500 strana, od toga će najmanje 330-ak biti sa pričama nikad ranije na srpskom.
2.   Namera priređivača je bila da napravi izbor koji bi U JEDNOJ KNJIZI sadržao sve ono najbolje (po njemu) od Lavkrafta. Dakle, ne:' za ove 3 priče videti TAMO, a za druge 4 pogledajte, ako uspete da nađete, ONDE, dok za ove 3 morate DOBRO da se pomučite i nađete ONO' – već jedna, jedina, knjiga u kojoj će sve biti na jednom mestu. PLUS: sve te priče dobijaju, PO PRVI PUT, ozbiljan tretman, sa napomenama, uvodnim kontextom, i sl, što u ranijim izdanjima na srpskom NIJE bio slučaj. Ja prosto NE ŽELIM da priča poput DANIČKOM UŽASA ostane jedino dostupna u osrednjem prevodu bez ikakvih komentara i referenci u nekom paperback izdanju koje se odavno rasprodalo – ako već mogu da ga ponovim, osvežim, pročistim i ponudim onako kako treba, u jednom malo boljem izdanju. To važi i za ostale priče koje su već postojale na srpskom – a čiji su prevodi detaljno pregledani i KORIGOVANI da bi bili bliži značenju i duhu HPL slova – pa prema tome nisu to puka PREŠTAMPAVANJA
3.   Sem toga, ne shvatam zašto se o ovome govori kao da je ova knjiga JEDINA šansa da se izda Lavkraft od sada pa u narednih 50 godina, i da po svaku cenu treba u nju trpati što više novog materijala na srpskom. HINT: postoji ideja da se uradi i II tom, koji bi sadržao THE BEST OF THE REST. Tako će, u vrlo skoroj budućnosti, fanovi HPL-a na srpskom moći da u 2 velike, debele, tvrde, bogato opremljene knjige imaju SVE što im treba, i da zaborave na malene, mekane, kartonske, razlepljene, iskrzane, požutele, rasprodate knjižurke u kojima je HPL do sada objavljivan. OK?
4.   Naravno da znam za to hrvatsko izdanje – ono je urađeno slično kao i dosadašnja srpska – PROIZVOLJAN izbor, minimum uvoda-komentara, samo priče u –koliko sam video- osrednjem prevodu. PREVODU NA HRVATSKU VARIJANTU SRPSKOG JEZIKA, ako mogu da naglasim. Te tri priče koje si čitao na hrvatskom a koje su ovde takođe izabrane, ovde nisu prepisane već iznova prevedene NA SRPSKI. Dve od njih -BOJA IZVAN OVOG SVEMIRA & KTULU – ujedno jesu i 2 NAJBOLJE STVARI KOJE JE HPL IKADA NAPISAO, i ako ti misliš da je dobro i pametno i normalno da BAŠ te 2 priče srpski čitalac treba da ganja u nekakvom retkom, uvoznom izdanju u bedastom mekom povezu i sa bezveznom koricom, NA HRVATSKOM, i da baš te dve najbolje i najdublje i najuticajnije priče budu (ne)dostupne bez ikakvih komentara i uvoda – ako to stvarno sugerišeš, bojim se da ne vidim ni najmanji tračak smisla u tvom stavu.
5.   Nadam se da sam tebi, a i drugima, malo pojasnio rezon iza ovog izdanja.

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« Reply #56 on: 09-09-2005, 14:56:35 »
Namera je da se napravi nenadjebljiva konacna verzija najboljih Lavkraftovih prica i tu nema kompromisa. Ako projekat bude lepo prihvacen, uradila bi se jos dva toma gde bi u zbiru bile obuhvacene SVE price koje je doticni ikada napisao. Dakle, ako nameravamo da stampamo SVE sto je neko ikada napisao, ne mozemo se osvrtati na to da li je neko nekada negde nesto objavio.
Sem toga, niko nikada nije imao ghoulove originalne komentare na svaku pricu, sto ovu zbirku izdize iznad svih ostalih.
Put ćemo naći ili ćemo ga napraviti.

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« Reply #57 on: 09-09-2005, 18:01:59 »
Ok, ok...
Vidim da si ovo primio sa grcem u srcu...
Nisam imao nameru da dovodim u pitanje sam smisao izdavanja ove knjige.
Malo sam se nasao zatecenim kada sam video spisak prica, ali posto ce izaci i druga knjiga koja ce sadrzati i ostale price, hm...
Moram priznati da sam u sustini ODUSEVLJEN jer postoji sansa da se izdaju SVA dela od HPL, sto zaista nisam ocekivao. Jos u hardcover izdanju!!
U sustini Ghoul-e nemoj da se ljutis, mozda primedba i nije bila na mestu, malo sam i preterao.
U svakom slucaju imas moju punu podrsku sto se tice II toma knjige.

Keep up with the good work!!

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« Reply #58 on: 09-09-2005, 20:55:28 »
IO - i inace su knjige malo-malo pa nedostupne. Ko da ganja danas hrvatska izdanja?
Kad u knjizari Nolita ni pravopis srpskog jezika nemaju... :roll:

Ovako ces lepo imati sve na jednom mestu.
Dopisi iz Diznilenda - Ponovo radi blog!

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« Reply #59 on: 13-09-2005, 23:24:05 »
A niste verovali kad sam kazao da će ovo biti godina Lavkrafta? Kao i sledeća. I ona iza nje...

Evo slikovitih dokaza:

SOTA, the folks behind the very promising Now Playing line of figures, have nearly completed work on their next series of that line, as well as work on the new Nightmares of Lovecraft line, which really does exemplify the meaning of the word 'disturbing'. The first 3 figures of the series have already been announced: Cthulhu from 'The Call of Cthulhu', The Ghoul from 'Pickman’s Model' and Dagon from 'Shadow Over Insmouth.'

Evo ga Ghoul:



Cthulhu:


A ostatak, iz svih uglova i detaljno, ovde:
http://www.action-figure.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=15835&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

Ghoul

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« Reply #60 on: 13-09-2005, 23:28:56 »


Zapravo, možda je ovaj pogled na Ghoula najbolji

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« Reply #61 on: 13-09-2005, 23:29:51 »
Quote from: "Ghoul"


Zapravo, možda je ovaj pogled na Ghoula najbolji


 :arrow:  :arrow:  :arrow:  jeste  :wink:
Jedini forum na kojem pravim tipkarske grekše

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« Reply #62 on: 12-10-2005, 18:32:39 »

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« Reply #63 on: 12-10-2005, 19:58:31 »
Nijedan ljubitelj Lovecrafta ne bi smio ne pročitati posljednji Lovecratsov interview xfrenki, kojeg je 1983. dao Vincentu Omniaveritasu (a.k.a. Bruce Sterling). Objavljeno u Sterlingovom fanzinu "Cheap Truth".  He-he. xgrim
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« Reply #64 on: 20-10-2005, 17:20:32 »
Call of Cthulhu DVD


Written in 1926, just before the advent of "talking" pictures, The Call of Cthulhu is one of the most famous and influential tales of H.P. Lovecraft, the father of gothic horror. Now the story is brought richly to life in the style of a classic 1920s silent movie, with a haunting original symphonic score. Using the "Mythoscope" process — a mix of modern and vintage techniques, the HPLHS has worked to create the most authentic and faithful screen adaptation of a Lovecraft story yet attempted.
From the cultists of the Louisana bayous to the man-eating non-euclidean geometry of R'lyeh, the HPLHS brings Cthulhu to the screen as it was meant to be seen. Eighteen months of production and a cast of more than 50 actors went into making this film a period spectacle that must seen to be believed.

The DVD includes The Call of Cthulhu (47 minutes, black and white), the high-fidelity and "Mythophonic" soundtracks, a 25 minute "making-of" documentary featurette, two slide shows, deleted footage, a prop PDF of the Sydney Bulletin and more.

To appeal to Lovecraft fans throughout across the globe, this DVD provides intertitles in 24 languages including: Catalan, Croatian, Czech, Danish, Dutch, English, Euskera, Finnish, French, Galician, German, Hungarian, Irish, Italian, Lithuanian, Luxmbourgish, Norwegian, Polish, Portuguese, Romanian, Spanish, Swedish, Turkish and Welsh. These aren't just subtitles either — they are the real title cards rendered tastefully in each language. If you thought the story was scary before, wait until you see it in Welsh!

Format: NTSC, Region 0, Black & White (special features in color with sound).

$20.00

ako nekoga zanima, neka ode na http://www.cthulhulives.org/store/store.lasso?1=product&2=8


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« Reply #65 on: 26-10-2005, 09:50:18 »
Posto nisam u toku, sta bi sa knjigom?

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« Reply #66 on: 26-10-2005, 10:17:29 »
MOGLA BI da se pojavi u II polovini novembra – verovatno ove godine :roll:  :cry:

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« Reply #67 on: 26-10-2005, 12:19:29 »
Hoce li pisati u knjizi ko je sofija?
Nema potrebe da zalis me, mene je vec sram
Nema potrebe da hvalis me, dobro ja to znam

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« Reply #68 on: 26-10-2005, 16:09:01 »
naravno da će pisati – ali između redova. :wink:

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« Reply #69 on: 26-10-2005, 16:50:08 »
Ko je izdavac knjige?
Cisto da znam gde da je trazim.

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« Reply #70 on: 26-10-2005, 20:36:33 »
Quote from: "IO"
Ko je izdavac knjige?
Cisto da znam gde da je trazim.


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Gave her captor forty whacks
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She gave his partner... forty-one

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« Reply #71 on: 27-10-2005, 15:56:54 »
dok čekamo info iz konjskih usta o tome ko će, kada će i da li će izdati knjigu, živce možemo da smirujemo uz lavkraftovsku muziku.

na primer, ovo:

Bronnt Industries Kapital
Virtute et Industria
Static Caravan
2005
B




. P. Lovecraft inhabited a terrifying world where blankets of Victorian fog concealed the dripping teeth of reptilian demons. His writing brims with death and decay, but, buoyed by a certain old-fashioned stateliness, it avoids cheap gore. Lovecraft’s sense of manners—coupled with the conservative niceties of his characters—made the descent into supernatural violence particularly jarring. By coating his horror with a veneer of civility, Lovecraft deepened the impact of his ghastly visions.

Bronnt Industries Kapital has an affinity for Lovecraft that—conscious or not—surfaces in their music. They too evoke the arcane, and they too avoid the campy goth that plagues seekers of the dark. The duo of Guy Bartell and Nick Talbot birth a strange new creature into the mutant world of electronic music—gaslight horrortronica. Bronnt Industries Kapital weaves tapestries of formal decay and bloody elegance best heard under the full moon.

After a somewhat forgettable opener, “Polaris” really kicks off the album. A stately piano lures the listener in for a fuzzy beat to deliver the kill. The pairing of the two sounds both anachronistic and appropriate. “Valmara 69” is a strong follow-up. Buttressed by a near hip-hop beat, the track bobs along with icy synth stabs from a murderous butler until a bulbous bassline buries the body.

The funereal organ drones of “Brocken” work well enough, but they merely set the stage for the album centerpiece and highlight “Rats in the Walls.” The demented church organ of a corrupted mass reels off arpeggios, spiraling higher to the insistent fuzzclaps of the dark congregation. An eerie shifting atmosphere settles as the beat fades, and as a high-pitched whine emerges, the organist abandons his post to begin a bizarre electropolka. The assembly whirls to the music for a minute until the song cascades into an Autechran flurry of beats to drive the gathered to frenzied bloodshed.

The second half of the album sometimes seeks to be too elegant for its own good, sacrificing the fantastic beatwork of the first half for staid studies in ambience, but it too contains some highlights. The ghostly moans and desolate swamp-guitar twang of “Maggots in the Rice” (OK, so sometimes the imagery does go a bit too far) succeeds as a study in ambience, and the railroad churning and lonely keyboards of “Sunken Gardens” will sink into your saddest dreams.

With Virtute et Industria, Bronnt Industries Kapital has created a soundtrack to a film that needs to be produced: a post-modern cyborg vampire tale set in the stinking streets of industrial London. Sherlock Holmes sleuths, pipe in hand, while cyberpunks blaring electro from boomboxes snicker behind his back. Fresh spilt blood mingles with muddy footprints on the cobblestone as a soot-blacked population trudges to and from work. In this city, lingering fear takes the form of a roiling, oily fog that covers victim, attacker, and crime. Beware…


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« Reply #72 on: 27-10-2005, 16:07:17 »
H.P.L. se mnogo radovao Ghoulovoj knjizi prevoda kada je najavljeno izdanje. Steta sto nije docekao njen izlazak.

Nadamo se da ce izaci za Ghoulovog zivota...
Nema potrebe da zalis me, mene je vec sram
Nema potrebe da hvalis me, dobro ja to znam

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« Reply #73 on: 28-10-2005, 21:43:37 »
Prelog
Dok cekamo nesto o cemu mnogi od nas godinama sanjaju-neprevedenim pricama dragog nam Lava-pogledajte crtani koji je dobio glavnu nagradu na najvecem filmskom festivalu u Annecy-u.
Verujte mi da je zaista tesko bilo doci do ovako LUDACKOG crtaca.Radnja se odvija u nekoj iskrivljenoj verziji 18. veka gde vlada smrtonosna bolest.Nigde nema kopna i ljudi se krecu unakolo na masinama koje podsecaju na brodove koji lebde kroz sumorno vecernje nebo.Lica junaka ove odlicne price se ne vide i njihove sugestivne siluete nagone gledaoca da sa napetoscu iscekuje neku jacu svetlost koja bi ih otkrila.Osecaj napetog naslucivanja koji stvaraju senke,vraca nas u stara dobra vremena gotskih horora.Ogromna prostranstva praznog neba,genijalno odradjene ali neshvatljive masine koje krstare unaokolo kroz lebdece glecere i nenastanjena ostrva,kao i drama koja se odvija medju saputnicima cini ovaj 28 minuta dug film, do sada neprevazidjenim izdankom gotskog horora u 21. veku

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« Reply #74 on: 01-11-2005, 08:52:49 »
još jedan predlog za ubijanje vremena dok čekamo Knjigu:


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Re: The Mysterious Geographic Explorations of Jasper Morello
« Reply #75 on: 02-11-2005, 13:52:29 »
Quote from: "Abdul Al Hazred"
Verujte mi da je zaista tesko bilo doci do ovako LUDACKOG crtaca.


Verujemo. Ali da li i mi moramo da prelazimo preko trnja da ga dobijemo ili ćeš učiniti nešto za opštu stvar?
Put ćemo naći ili ćemo ga napraviti.

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« Reply #76 on: 13-12-2005, 08:35:00 »
Nekronomikon izlazi u januaru ili februaru 2006.

Ognjanović priredio knjigu najboljih priča H.F. Lavkrafta

Pisac, prevodilac, esejista i filmski kritičar, Dejan Ognjanović, priredio je knjigu najboljih priča H.F. Lavkrafta, pod nazivom Nekronomikon. Knjiga će sadržati dvadeset priča velikog klasika horora. Ispred svake priče će se naći po jedna stranica uvoda sa najbitnijim podacima (kada i kako je nastala, koji su joj uzori, na koga je uticala, koje je njeno mesto u HFL kanonu...) a svaku će pratiti opširne napomene. Knjiga će takođe sadržati: kraći uvod, biografiju Lavkrafta, anotiranu bibliografiju i opširan pogovor.

Upitan da li će knjiga biti luksuzno opremljena, kako je ranije najavljivano, Dejan Ognjanović je rekao: "Razmatrala se mogućnost luksuzne opreme za manji deo tiraža, u vreme kada se pregovaralo s jednim suizdavačem. U međuvremenu je to otpalo, pa će se najverovatnije raditi samo meki povez, i eventualno manji broj sa tvrdim koricama. Od 'luksuza' tu će biti i originalne ilustracije ispred svake priče koje je specijalno za nas odradio Nikola Vitković, a izdavač i tehnički urednik sprema i neke nekonvencionalne ideje za prelom i font i opšti izgled teksta, pa će knjiga sigurno da izgleda kao nijedna druga."

Nekronomikon će, početkom 2006. godine, objaviti izdavačka kuća Paramecijum.


Izvor: http://www.photontide.org/vesti/vesti.php

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« Reply #77 on: 13-12-2005, 08:44:32 »
Iako se ovde manje-više sve zna o Nekronomikonu, u vesti koju sam postovao u prethodnoj poruci postoje neki novi detalji vezani pre svega za datum objavljivanja, kao i konačnu odluku izdavača i priređivača vezanu za opremu knjige.

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« Reply #78 on: 21-12-2005, 05:18:44 »
latest news: NEKRO, najverovatnije, oko Dana Zaljubljenih – kao idealan poklon za taj povod.

u međuvremenu:

gledao sam THE CALL OF CTHULHU, filmić od 45 min. opisan na jednoj od prethodnih strana ovog topika.
pokušaji da sve izgleda kao da je snimano u doba nemog filma vrlo su nekonzistentni – sa postupcima kakvih tada sigurno nije bilo – guy maddin bi svakako bio idealna osoba za tako nešto – ali ok, ovo je sasvim pristojan omaž remek delu horor priče s kojom se do sada niko nije usuđivao da uhvati u koštac. starinska stilizacija setinga, efekata, osvetljenja itd. uspevaju ponegde da uhvate prozračnost i snolikost i nejasne nagoveštaje bolje nego što bi neki holivudski multimilionski pokušaj. dizajn potonulog-pa-isplivalog grada je holy simplicity na delu, skoro kaligarijevski. scena sa vudu kultistima u močvari mogla je biti mnogo bolja baš zato što više traži od atmosfere i aktera nego od budžeta, ali je zato kulminacija sa ktuluom sasvim pristojna.
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« Reply #79 on: 21-12-2005, 17:56:00 »
HPL je na proleće 2005. dospeo u ultra-prestižnu LIBRARY OF AMERICA ediciju, u kojoj se objavljuju samo najveći pisci ove zemlje.

priređivač je Peter Straub.

evo intervjua s njim povodom ove knjige:

PW Talks with Peter Straub

Peter Straub is the editor of H.P. Lovecraft's Tales [reviewed above].

PW: Why do you think Lovecraft, a horror writer, deserves inclusion in the Library of America series?

Peter Straub: He's a great American writer. His work has proved very durable. I think people will be reading him for as long as people read. He's completely personal, with his own made-by-hand-voice. He also has a point-of-view and way of seeing that's unmistakably his own. And he was remarkably influential.

PW: On a writer named Peter Straub, for example?

PS: Actually, he probably had only a minimal influence on my own work.

PW: When did you first read Lovecraft?

PS: I first read Lovecraft in the Modern Library giant Great Tales of Terror and the Supernatural when I was 13 and was sort of stunned by "The Dunwich Horror." The writing seemed amazingly mysterious and powerful to me. Later, in my 20s, being very literary and self-conscious about it, I dismissed him. Still later, when I was living in London, I talked a lot with [horror writer] Thomas Tessier about Lovecraft. Thom was very knowledgeable and convinced me of Lovecraft's value. After that, I became a snob all over again, but then the opportunity to edit a collection of his tales came up, and my respect grew as I went back andreread Lovecraft.

PW: How did you come to edit Tales ?

PS: I was invited by Geoffrey O'Brien, the editor-in-chief of the Library of America. It didn't take me more than a couple of seconds to agree. I'm by no means a Lovecraft scholar, but I had a window of time between my own books, and I was able to do the work within a couple of months.

PW: How much editorial guidance did you have?

PS: I had lunch with Max Rudin, the publisher of the Library of America, and Geoffrey O'Brien. Geoffrey is a writer himself, and a very smart and astonishingly well-read man. He spoke at masterful length on Lovecraft. He later sent me a complete list of Lovecraft's stories with those marked in bold face that he thought should be included. So there wasn't much editorial guidance, but they were very helpful after I'd finished, sharpening things up and making sure the details were right.

PW: Why didn't you include "The Silver Key" or any of Lovecraft's dreamland fantasies in the manner of Lord Dunsany?

PS: Just because they're Dunsanian and off the main line of his work, and thus less significant. I was given a pretty strict page limit--800 pages.

PW: What would a hypothetical second Library of America Lovecraft volume contain?

PS: Besides the mature stories not included in the first volume, I'd put in a lot of poems, even though they're not as remarkable as his fiction, some of his essays, particularly that crazy travel writing, like his history and description of Quebec. Most important, I'd put in a long selection of Lovecraft's correspondence, because his letters are part of his real achievement. They're not like anyone else's. They represented his only outlet for real, unfettered, freewheeling expression. One of my favorites is his account of trying to buy a suit in New York, where the mongrel citizens fail to dress with the decent sobriety of the gentlemen of Providence.

PW: Do you have to be a horror fan to appreciate Lovecraft?

PS: I don't think you have to be a horror fan to be pleased and thrilled by very evocative writing, to be intrigued by the mythos that he gradually developed.

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« Reply #80 on: 27-12-2005, 23:00:43 »
Snima se jos jedna verzija:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0478126/combined

a igra i Tori Spelling.  :evil:
"Ernest Hemingway once wrote: "The world is a fine place and worth fighting for." I agree with the second part."

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« Reply #81 on: 30-12-2005, 23:39:34 »
Nego, pošto ovde sve vrvi od prevodilaca i would-be prevodilaca, evo jednog ozbiljnog predloga: naime, nameravao sam da pored kratke pesme u prozi NIARLATOTEP uvrstim i istoimenu pesmu, pokušao sam da je prepevam i, priznajem – nisam umeo.

Evo, može sendmen da proba, kao expert za prepevavanje stihova i sampion pljuckanja na dalj, a može i neko drugi – najzad, naš forumski Nyarlathotep je i pesnik u začeću, možda bi on mogao...? – u svakom slučaju, ta bi pesma, ako se adekvatno prepeva, uz očuvanje rime i metra (ali i značenja, naravno), ušla u Knjigu.

Evo lake šanse za večnu slavu:

Nyarlathotep

And at the last from inner Egypt came
The strange dark One to whom the fellahs bowed;
Silent and lean and cryptically proud,
And wrapped in fabrics red as sunset flame.
Throngs pressed around, frantic for his commands,
But leaving, could not tell what they had heard;
While through the nations spread the awestruck word
That wild beasts followed him and licked his hands.
Soon from the sea a noxious birth began;
Forgotten lands with weedy spires of gold;
The ground was cleft, and mad auroras rolled
Down on the quaking citadels of man.
Then, crushing what he chanced to mould in play,
The idiot Chaos blew Earth's dust away.

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« Reply #82 on: 04-01-2006, 15:35:40 »
He, pa ne znam, Nyarlathotep moze da pokusa jer je sam u pesmi opevan... ali, zestoko ga smara formalno ukalupljena poezija gde je sloboda misli cesto uslovljena formom. Tj. inace ga mrzi da lomi jezik i mozak oko ABBA rime.  :D

Nego, bre, kad ce biti vremena za to, zar Lavkraft ne treba uskoro da izadje? Ono, januar - februar?
Da nema vetra, pauci bi nebo premrezili.

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« Reply #83 on: 04-01-2006, 16:33:02 »
Samo ti prevedi – biće vremena, naročito za ubacivanje nečega što nije ni pola strane texta...

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« Reply #84 on: 05-01-2006, 09:42:50 »
Quote from: "Ghoul"
u međuvremenu:

gledao sam THE CALL OF CTHULHU, filmić od 45 min. opisan na jednoj od prethodnih strana ovog topika.
pokušaji da sve izgleda kao da je snimano u doba nemog filma vrlo su nekonzistentni – sa postupcima kakvih tada sigurno nije bilo – guy maddin bi svakako bio idealna osoba za tako nešto – ali ok, ovo je sasvim pristojan omaž remek delu horor priče s kojom se do sada niko nije usuđivao da uhvati u koštac. starinska stilizacija setinga, efekata, osvetljenja itd. uspevaju ponegde da uhvate prozračnost i snolikost i nejasne nagoveštaje bolje nego što bi neki holivudski multimilionski pokušaj. dizajn potonulog-pa-isplivalog grada je holy simplicity na delu, skoro kaligarijevski. scena sa vudu kultistima u močvari mogla je biti mnogo bolja baš zato što više traži od atmosfere i aktera nego od budžeta, ali je zato kulminacija sa ktuluom sasvim pristojna.
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Gledaj, to je tvoje mišljenje, a svatko ima pravo na svoje. Ja neću ovdje iznositi što ja mislim jer sam pristrana , ali evo što su napisali druge ljude o filmu:

http://www.cthulhulives.org/cocmovie/youreview.html

A posebno bi htjela izdvojiti ovo:

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I loved the movie. The movie was better than the story.


A dolazi od Stuarta Gordona, redatelja Reanimatora i Dagona.

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« Reply #85 on: 05-01-2006, 10:02:48 »
šta to znači da si 'pristrana'?
zar si radila na tom filmu?
ako te ljuBav prema HPLu čini takvom – šta onda ja da kažem? ne bi trebalo ni da zinem o ovom filmu?
vidiš, baš zato što obožavam i HPL-a u KTULUA, smatram da je ovo solidna, ali nikako ultimativna ili najbolja moguća (ili igde blizu toga) verzija.
vrlo dobra je, TO JE SVE.
zanimljiv pokušaj koji bi u rukama talentovanijih autora (poput pomenutog Maddina, npr.) bio daleko ubedljiviji.
jedna od glavnih zamerki ovome je što se CTHULHU pre može nazvati filmskom low budget ilustracijom glavnih prizora iz priče (gde su ionako daleko pompezniji, maštovitiji, žešći...), nego li filmom u pravom smislu reči, jer nijedan lik i nijedan ilustrovani događaj nema vremena da 'prodiše' kako treba – skače se s jednog na drugi toliko da, zapravo, sumnjam da iko ko nije čitao priču i može da na prvo gledanje pohvata šta se tu i kome i kako i zašto dešava. A to, za film, ne valja.

izjava da je ovaj film bolji od priče idiotska je, od koga kod dolazila; ipak, voleo bih da čujem elaboraciju ovako outrageous tvrdnje.
na stranici koju si linkovala nema te izjave.
ali sve i ako je neko, pa još Gordon, kazao baš to – to nema nikakvu težinu (naročito u svetlu njegove razočaravajuće 'ekranizacije'-banalizacije DREAMS IN WITCH HOUSE – na koju bi, ako nisi pristrasna, mogla  da se osvrneš, ako si gledala).

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« Reply #86 on: 05-01-2006, 11:00:46 »
Gledaj, govorimo o amaterskom filmu koji je snimila grupa entuziasta. Mislim upravo zbog toga da previsoko postavljaš kriterije. I otkud ti sad to da ne možeš zinuti o nećem? Ja mislim da i ja mogu braniti nešto/nekog koga volim. Ako ne, zalutala sam na pogrešni forum.
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« Reply #87 on: 05-01-2006, 12:53:20 »
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Ako ne, zalutala sam na pogrešni forum.

Ma, neee :lol: .... samo ti brani (argumentuj) svoje stavove.  :wink:  

Nisam gledao film. Ali, doista, izjava da film moze biti bolji od price....   :x  :x  bila makar i Gordonova.
Da nema vetra, pauci bi nebo premrezili.

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« Reply #88 on: 05-01-2006, 13:10:05 »
Moj argument je link na mom prvom postu s odzivima ljudiju koji su gledali film. Mene je teško upustiti se u raspravu jer sam previše u svemu tome i predpostavljam da ne mogu biti objektivna. Međutim, ja sam prikazala CoC istovremeno s američkom primjerom na RIKONu (u Rijeka, ako netko ne zna), i reakciji su bili više nego pozitivne. Ali onda sam zeznula stvar i lijepo sam sve uspavala sa "The Dream Quest of Unknown Kadath".

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« Reply #89 on: 05-01-2006, 15:02:02 »
Čuj, babo iz R’lyeha:
Tvoj 'argument' ne može da bude 'link s odzivima ljudiju koji su gledali film'.
To niti je *argument*, niti je TVOJ.
Mislim, jebote, link vodi ka boardu *tvoraca i izdavača i PRODAVACA tog filma*, tj DVD-a: pa naravno da će SVI komentari da budu pozitivni! Preletevši po toj stranici ne spazih nijedan umeren, a kamoli negativan komentar.
Tebi to nije sumnjivo?
Ah, da – ti si pristrana.
E pa, izvini što ja nisam.
CTHULHU je upravo to što si kazala – 'film' FANOVA – za fanove. A baš to DRASTIČNO sužava i njegove domete i njegov značaj i njegovu filmofilsku vrednost. Kad ga posmatram kao fan (što jesam) – on mi je simpatičan; kad ga posmatram kao filmski kritičar (što takođe jesam) to, međutim, postaje umnogome problematičan proizvod. To što su ga radili amateri nije ama baš nikakav argument – bar ne u ozbiljnom društvu.

Stoga, babo, molio bih sledeće:
Daj mi link ka navodnoj Gordonovoj izjavi – ako je autentičan tvoj navod, čudi me da ga tvorci filma nisu stavili kao glavni blurb na prvoj strani svog sajta, i na sam omot DVD-a.
Daj *svoje* argumente (makar i pristrane) i reci nam, po kojim to konkretnim parametrima ovaj filmić 'prevazilazi' priču? U kojim je to zapravo aspektima ta tvorevina superiornija u odnosu na HPL kreaciju?

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« Reply #90 on: 05-01-2006, 15:35:44 »
Ja nisam ni u jednom trenutku rekla da je po mom mišljenju film je bolji od priče. I zato ne vidim smisla da ja branim tu izjavu, a niti vjerujem da Stuart to ozbiljno mislio, najverojatnije čovjek je samo ljubazan. Sve što sam ja htjela kazati, da postoje drugačija mišljenja od tvojeg. Ali ne bi išla u diskusiju s tobom jer mi očito govorimo na različitima jezicima i to u više smislova. Ti imaš pravo na svoje mišljenje, ja se s nijm ne slažem, tebi nije svidio film, meni ne sviđa tvoj post. Ostanemo na tome, pa tko živ, tko mrtav.

A evo linka na Gordonovu izjavu (najdonja je):

http://www.cthulhulives.org/cocmovie/press.html

A tvorci filma nisu je svuda razglasili jer su (pre)skromne.
Ghoul fhtagn!

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« Reply #91 on: 16-02-2006, 10:20:35 »
Da li se nazire izlazak knjige koju Ghoul priredjuje i kada je mozemo ocekivati?

Mnoooogooooo sam nestrpljiv!!!

 :!:   :!:   :!:   :!:   :!:   :!:   :!:

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« Reply #92 on: 16-02-2006, 11:02:42 »
Mda. Ja se već dugo snebivam da postavim isto pitanje.

Knjigu sam nameravao da poklonim za Novu Godinu.
Datum je prošao.

Pa za božić (malim slovom zbog sagovornika :-)) i srpsku.
Prošao je.

Za rođendan.
Da, prošao je.

Kao posledica toga, moje emotivno stanje se promenilo i
upoznao sam drugu devojku koja je takođe Lavkraftova
nevesta
.

Da planiram 8. mart?
Verovatno ne.

Kaži mi Ghoul, koliko partnera u životu je potrebno da jedan mučenik promeni kako bi se ti smilovao na njegove samrtne želje?
Deset? Pedeset?
Lupi broj, da se bacim na posao dok sam mlad.
 :x
"if you're out there murdering people, on some level, you must want to be Christian."

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« Reply #93 on: 16-02-2006, 11:46:40 »
za pravi NEKRONOMIKON potrebno je žrtvovati bar 3 djeve.



ipak, da je samo od mene zavisilo, NEKRO bi izašao za 8. mart 2005.

ali ljudi, pogrešnu osobu pitate – ne zavisi od mene, već od izdavača!

a izdavač, if any, zove se paramecijum.

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« Reply #94 on: 17-02-2006, 01:29:41 »
Quote from: "Ghoul"
za pravi NEKRONOMIKON potrebno je žrtvovati bar 3 djeve.


Predvideo sam ovaj odgovor, samo proveravam - da ne preteram.
P.S. Šta da radim sa telima, stan mi pomalo već smrducka?


Quote
if any


If any? If any!!?
 :x
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« Reply #95 on: 17-02-2006, 14:55:41 »
Quote
Kao posledica toga, moje emotivno stanje se promenilo i
upoznao sam drugu devojku koja je takođe Lavkraftova
nevesta.


Svaka cast momce, ja sam u zivotu naisao (za sada) samo na jednu devojku koja cita Lavkrafta. Ali avaj...
Kasnije sam saznao da je to devojka prijatelja od mog drugara.

 :cry:  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:

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« Reply #96 on: 18-02-2006, 02:41:49 »
Quote from: "IO"
Kasnije sam saznao da je to devojka prijatelja od mog drugara.


Ah, uvek možeš da se utešiš činjenicom da će umreti.
Pre ili kasnije.  :twisted:
"if you're out there murdering people, on some level, you must want to be Christian."

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« Reply #97 on: 18-02-2006, 08:49:24 »
To je malo čudno. Sve muške osobe koje čitaju HPL-a, a koje ja poznajem (a poznajem njih dosta) imaju cure ili žene. Sad ne znam da li te gospođice/gospođe čitaju Lovecrafta, ali ako ne onda to dečkima i nije baš tako bitno...
Ghoul fhtagn!

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« Reply #98 on: 18-02-2006, 09:45:26 »
Moja zhena je chitala... a onda je pocela da cuje lupkanja sitnih nozica koja dolaze negde iz zidova... i sljapkanje iz WC sholje... i neobicnu muziku koja dopirala iz senki nase spavace sobe...

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« Reply #99 on: 28-07-2006, 20:56:20 »
usput, lovecraft je otac forumaskih manijaka. zar nije samo sjedio i napisao oko 100k pisama? sto da je onda vec postojao internet?
moving on my own trace

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« Reply #100 on: 28-07-2006, 21:43:03 »
Quote from: "zosko"
sto da je onda vec postojao internet?


bio bi ghoul.  :evil:  :wink:
Pretty Lisa took an axe
Gave her captor forty whacks
When she saw what she had done
She gave his partner... forty-one

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« Reply #101 on: 11-08-2006, 16:56:23 »
it's coming...

Ghoul

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« Reply #102 on: 11-08-2006, 16:56:49 »
SOON...

THE STARS WILL BE RIGHT, VERY SOON...



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« Reply #103 on: 12-08-2006, 02:43:13 »
:!:

how soon?
i
kakav je to misteriozni edit?
"if you're out there murdering people, on some level, you must want to be Christian."

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« Reply #104 on: 12-08-2006, 04:29:47 »
Quote from: "Kastor"
:!:

how soon?
i
kakav je to misteriozni edit?


toliko soon da bih veoma voleo da je zaista izvodljivo.
I want to believe.
ali suviše je konkretnih obećanja do sada iznevereno da je logičan oprez sa svih strana...

edit= some things mortals are not meant to know... :wink:

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« Reply #105 on: 13-08-2006, 11:06:19 »
Da li je to soon kao Sajam knjiga soon, iduce godine soon, nikad soon ili avgust soon?
Nekoć si bio punk, sad si Štefan Frank.

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« Reply #106 on: 13-08-2006, 14:46:02 »
pre beokona soon.

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« Reply #107 on: 16-08-2006, 10:52:19 »
Sad sam slučajno otvorila topic na prvoj umjesto na zadnjoj strani i pročitala sam kako sam odmah po dolasku na forum graknula na najboljeg horor pisca današnjice.  :wink:
Ajme, bruke i sramote...  :oops:
Ghoul fhtagn!

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« Reply #108 on: 16-08-2006, 11:25:03 »
Quote from: "Bab Jaga"
Sad sam slučajno otvorila topic na prvoj umjesto na zadnjoj strani i pročitala sam kako sam odmah po dolasku na forum graknula na najboljeg horor pisca današnjice.  :wink:
Ajme, bruke i sramote...  :oops:


ma u redu je.
dešava se.  :wink:

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« Reply #109 on: 25-10-2006, 18:16:00 »
zanimljiv lavkraftoidni film na kome je r. stanley bio 'occult specialist':



ovde:
http://www.errantfilms.com/httpdocs/projects/ghost/ghostDEF.html

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« Reply #110 on: 26-10-2006, 11:12:49 »
Izgleda primamljivo...
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« Reply #111 on: 26-10-2006, 14:56:03 »
Nego, taj Nekronomikon.... sta bi sa njim? Ceka se stogodisnjica Lavkraftove smrti?
Da nema vetra, pauci bi nebo premrezili.

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« Reply #112 on: 05-01-2007, 17:57:54 »
Quote from: "Nyarlathotep"
Nego, taj Nekronomikon.... sta bi sa njim? Ceka se stogodisnjica Lavkraftove smrti?


ne znam.

boban reče, na ovom forumu, da ću biti ponižen kad do kraja decembra budem u svojim rukama držao primerak NEKRONOMIKONA.
na moje decidirano pitanje o kom decembru govori, on reče: ovom sad.

decembar prođe, januar poče, a knjiga i dalje urbana legenda...

 :roll:

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« Reply #113 on: 05-01-2007, 18:01:44 »
Quote from: "Ghoul"
a knjiga i dalje urbana legenda...
 :roll:


Izbor naziva je presudio.  :lol:
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« Reply #114 on: 05-01-2007, 21:43:09 »
Quote from: "Ghoul"
...boban reče, na ovom forumu, da ću biti ponižen kad do kraja decembra budem u svojim rukama držao primerak NEKRONOMIKONA. ... decembar prođe, januar poče, a knjiga i dalje urbana legenda...

 :roll:

gule, crni gule, pa zar sve ovo vrijeme nisi bio, hm, mokriti?  :roll:
moving on my own trace

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« Reply #115 on: 07-01-2007, 06:40:24 »
a u međuveremenu, dok ne dođe decembar, možda pre dočekamo del torove PLANINE LUDILA.

evo prvog rivjua SCENARIJA...

http://www.latinoreview.com/scriptreview.php?id=43

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« Reply #116 on: 09-01-2007, 15:22:43 »
Ghoul fhtagn!

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« Reply #117 on: 12-02-2007, 15:30:21 »
noćas/jutros sam sanjao sledeći san:

izašao bobanov NEKRONOMIKON, i stigao mi poštom.
otvaram.
a unutra - šlog!

korica tvrda, ali platnena, prtena, kao od kozje dlake. što je još i najbolji detalj.

papir hrapav i siv, kao neki jeftini toalet papir.
font - courier, pa još slabo, jedva-vidljivo odštampan, kao da je neko pisaćom mašinom sa izbledelom trakom kucao po onom wc papiru.

listam, i vidim da su neke stranice povezane NAOPAČKE (upside-down).
neke su sasvim bele (prazne), po nekoliko zaredom.
vitkovićevih ilustracija nema uopšte.
na početku knjige, desetine stranica je ispunjeno nekim sasvim idiotskim i amaterskim ilustracijama, i fotografijama (na nekima od njih sam ja!).
mog imena nema ni na korici, ni unutra, ni u impresumu, nigde, kao prevodilac je navedeno nešto kao firma, npr. paramecijum inc.
čitav unutrašnji dizajn je potpuni krš i amaterizam, kao da su retardirana deca flomasterima šarala po stranama.
itd.

moraću da odustanem od svoje navike da jedem teško mesište pred spavanje!

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« Reply #118 on: 12-02-2007, 16:23:27 »
Zašti misliš da je san?
Ja sam takvu knjigu juče čitao.
Nekoć si bio punk, sad si Štefan Frank.

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« Reply #119 on: 12-02-2007, 16:27:27 »
Quote from: "DušMan"
Zašti misliš da je san?
Ja sam takvu knjigu juče čitao.


pa... ovvvaaajjjj... nije je bilo kraj mene kad sam ustao iz kreveta... :P

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« Reply #120 on: 12-02-2007, 16:54:07 »
Tc-tc. Previše čitaš. Premalo se baviš... fizičkim aktivnostima.  :lol:
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« Reply #121 on: 12-02-2007, 17:05:39 »
Quote from: "Ghoul"
noćas/jutros sam sanjao sledeći san:

izašao bobanov NEKRONOMIKON, i stigao mi poštom.
otvaram.
a unutra - šlog!

korica tvrda, ali platnena, prtena, kao od kozje dlake. što je još i najbolji detalj.

papir hrapav i siv, kao neki jeftini toalet papir.
font - courier, pa još slabo, jedva-vidljivo odštampan, kao da je neko pisaćom mašinom sa izbledelom trakom kucao po onom wc papiru.

listam, i vidim da su neke stranice povezane NAOPAČKE (upside-down).
neke su sasvim bele (prazne), po nekoliko zaredom.
vitkovićevih ilustracija nema uopšte.
na početku knjige, desetine stranica je ispunjeno nekim sasvim idiotskim i amaterskim ilustracijama, i fotografijama (na nekima od njih sam ja!).
mog imena nema ni na korici, ni unutra, ni u impresumu, nigde, kao prevodilac je navedeno nešto kao firma, npr. paramecijum inc.
čitav unutrašnji dizajn je potpuni krš i amaterizam, kao da su retardirana deca flomasterima šarala po stranama.
itd.

moraću da odustanem od svoje navike da jedem teško mesište pred spavanje!


Tanka je linija izmedju sna i jave.
 :lol:
Da nema vetra, pauci bi nebo premrezili.

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« Reply #122 on: 09-05-2007, 21:00:59 »
da pijemo, dok čekamo:


vope

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« Reply #123 on: 15-05-2007, 11:57:16 »
Šta je uopšte od Lovkrafta prevedeno na srpski jezik do sada?
Imam samo Slučaj Čarlsa Dekstera Vorda i još par pričica raštrkanih u nekoliko zbirki priča.
Uželio sam se kvalitetne psihodelije i ludila

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« Reply #124 on: 15-05-2007, 16:29:12 »
Imaš još "U planinama ludila".
Ghoul fhtagn!

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« Reply #125 on: 15-05-2007, 22:46:33 »
S onu stranu sna, Rec i misao - Rad
Da nema vetra, pauci bi nebo premrezili.

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« Reply #126 on: 15-05-2007, 23:22:51 »
I naravno HOROR ANTOLOGIJA (znak sagite) - Lavkraft, King, Barker
Avatar je bezlichna, bezukusna kasha, potpuno prazna, prosechna i neupechatljiva...USM je zhivopisan, zabavan i originalan izdanak americhke pop kulture

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« Reply #127 on: 16-05-2007, 11:48:51 »
Nijesm znao da je izašla "U planinama ludila", ovo ostalo moo je poznato. Ko je izdavač, cijena? xchain

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« Reply #128 on: 16-05-2007, 15:51:56 »
Pa to je jako davno izašlo. Ova koju ja imam je u izdanju Talismana (Gradina, Niš, 1990).
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« Reply #129 on: 22-05-2007, 15:24:48 »
u svrhu razbijanja mita o mitu o ktuluu, evo HPL pisma koje najexplicitnije govori o 'zaleđini' NEKRONOMIKONA itd.
(iz selected letters, vol III)


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« Reply #130 on: 22-05-2007, 16:06:06 »
Uuuu, što nisi čitao da Necronomicon (bez obzira što je isti hoax) brane demone psihovampirskih osobina?
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« Reply #131 on: 22-05-2007, 16:31:39 »
Quote from: "Bab Jaga"
Uuuu, što nisi čitao da Necronomicon (bez obzira što je isti hoax) brane demone psihovampirskih osobina?


da su ti padeži malo sređeniji, možda bih shvatio ko koga brani od čega... :roll:  :evil:

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« Reply #132 on: 22-05-2007, 16:58:38 »
Napisat ću ti sutra na engleskom, sada me previše boli glava... (i ti, Brut, btw...)
Ghoul fhtagn!

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« Reply #133 on: 22-05-2007, 17:28:02 »
Citiram Johna Wisdoma Gonca III (ko-autora knjige "Necronomicon Files - The Truth Behind The Legend):

Quote
I believe that the Simon Necronomicon is defended by an egregore, probably created by a group of people... Perhaps further energy has been added to this "Necronomicon Egregore" by devotees who have pumped their energy into it over the years since the publication of the Simon book.
...
I believe that this egregore - or one like it - agressively defends the Necronomicon from its critics. Its primary weapons appear to be fear, hatred, and disease.


Nemoj kazati da te nisam upozorila!
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« Reply #134 on: 28-06-2007, 19:31:51 »
video intervju sa lavkraftom, ovde:


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« Reply #135 on: 28-06-2007, 21:59:50 »
Lepo su se potrudili, stvarno.
Malo mi je Lavkraft suvise gej u prvoj sekvenci intervjua, ali mu se naglasak naglo postrejtovao kako je prica tekla.
Nekoć si bio punk, sad si Štefan Frank.

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« Reply #136 on: 28-06-2007, 22:10:22 »
Quote from: "DušMan"
Lepo su se potrudili, stvarno.
Malo mi je Lavkraft suvise gej u prvoj sekvenci intervjua, ali mu se naglasak naglo postrejtovao kako je prica tekla.


nije to 'gej' nego 'british', pošto je on uvek govorio i pisao po engleski a ne po američki.

takođe, njegov glas je bio pomalo piskutav.

trud je ok, ali mogli su i malo bolji research da urade: ni pitanja ni odgovori nisu baš preterano inspirisani, i mogli su u nj. pismima da nađu milion atraktivnijih i zabavnijih i pametnijih deonica...

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« Reply #137 on: 28-06-2007, 22:40:28 »
Quote from: "Ghoul"
nije to 'gej' nego 'british'

Pffff... What's the difference?
Nekoć si bio punk, sad si Štefan Frank.

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« Reply #138 on: 29-06-2007, 05:22:15 »
Quote from: "DušMan"
Quote from: "Ghoul"
nije to 'gej' nego 'british'

Pffff... What's the difference?


the differerence of love craft!  :lol:

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« Reply #139 on: 20-07-2007, 21:38:25 »
Josh u ranoj mladosti-detinjstvu sam chitao Lovecrafta i omiljene prichice su mi "Pikmanov model" i "Danvicki uzas". Vidim da su sad prevodi drugachiji al dzaba ja sam nauchio ovako. Imam samo jedno pitanje a vezano je za "Danvichki uzas" zanima me dal je prevod na staro-slovenskom ko u ranijoj verziji jer mi je to mnogo jako bilo ?
Mislim na "Molchanie" i slichne akcije  :wink:
Dalje, nijedan od filmova po Lovecraftu ne valja...pochevshi od "The Dunvich horror" pa preko Nekronomikona do Snova u vestichijoj kuci ("Dagon" je mozda jedini OK), i mislim da je bash u tome draz, da jednostavno Lovecraft i ne moze lepo da se ekranizuje. Ona chudovishta ne bi bila tako mocna da nisu "zabranjena za ljudske ochi" (forbidden to be seen) i slichno zar ne ?
Ja ih nikad nisam ni zamishljao u detalje kada sam chitao priche nego su mi ostajala shto nash narod kaze  "Unnamble" nepojmljiva.  :)

Nisam gledo "The shunned house" i "Beyond the wall of sleep" - je gledo neko , dal valja, dal da skidam ?

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« Reply #140 on: 20-07-2007, 21:45:19 »
slaba su, oba, ništa posebno, amaterizam.

najbolji noviji filmovi sa HPL atmosferom i ugođajem, mada ne direktno po nj. pričama, su MAREBITO i ARCTIC DIARIES (azijati, nimalo čudno)

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« Reply #141 on: 20-07-2007, 21:56:03 »
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Imam samo jedno pitanje a vezano je za "Danvichki uzas" zanima me dal je prevod na staro-slovenskom ko u ranijoj verziji jer mi je to mnogo jako bilo ?


ti si nešto pobrkao, u daničkom užasu nema većih deonica staroslovenskog (to ti je u č.d. vordu!); ali zato ima mnogo ruralnog, nepravilnog govora tih redneka iz daniča, što je abn na meni krajnje sumnjiv i slab način preveo, pa je u mojoj verziji to drastično izmenjeno.
a pravo da ti kažem, ako ikada ja budem imao nešto sa redigovanjem prevoda č.d. vorda (za šta je itekako zreo, taj prevod na nekim vrlo bitnim mestima nije TAČAN), to sa staroslovenskim ne bih tako rešio.
prosto, razlika između engleskog iz 18. veka uopšte nije tako velika u odnosu na današnji engleski, dok su u prevodu te deonice današnjem čitaocu skoro nerazumljive, ili barem nepotrebno zamorne…

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« Reply #142 on: 20-07-2007, 22:24:05 »
Mislio sam na one delove gde ti chobani-budale razgovaraju pa sam pomesho molchanie...kazesh da je to ruralni, nepravilni govor ? E to - taj njihov jezik daje neki jezivi utisak kad sam chito stari prevod.  :twisted:

Antarctic Journal sam bash gledo pre neki dan  :) , to je piso onaj kralj koj je reziro Memories of murder (zbog njega sam i gledo), i bash sam pomislio kako pochetak neodoljivo podseca na Planine ludila al su ga posle smorili...bash shteta jer ima super atmosferu koja obecava...treba otici jbga u tu vukojebinu pa snimiti onakve scene.

Secam se da i UZUMAKI  ima neke veze sa Lovecraft-om ? Ili je bar tako pisalo na plakatu, znam da me film nije odushevio...

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« Reply #143 on: 20-07-2007, 22:28:06 »
I love me my uzumaki! with suvlaki!

ne, dobar je to film, i strip. ima taj neki kao cosmic terror, ali vrlo malo direktne veze sa HPLom.

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« Reply #144 on: 20-07-2007, 23:20:24 »
Da ovaj, sad sam nasho, Lovecrafta pominju ovde  :wink: :



Ukucam sad Uzumaki i bash su me lepo podsetili na film  :D  :twisted: :


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« Reply #145 on: 08-09-2007, 00:28:39 »
WERNER HERZOG, NAJIDEALNIJI ŽIVI REDITELJ ZA PRAVU ADAPTACIJU HPL-OVOG ROMANA 'U PLANINAMA LUDILA' PRIŠAO JE TOME VRLO, VRLO BLIZU!!!

Encounters at the End of the World

Technical Information
Country: USA
Year: 2007
Language: English
Runtime: 99 minutes
Format: Colour/HDCAM
Rating: PG
Production Company: Discovery Films
Executive Producer: Erik Nelson, Dave Harding, Phil Fairclough, Julian Hobbs
Producer: Henry Kaiser
Cinematographer: Peter Zeitlinger
Editor: Joe Bini
Sound: Werner Herzog
Music: Henry Kaiser, David Lindley


Film Description and Director Biography
The South Pole has lured scientists, adventurers and eccentrics like a magnet, ever since Ernest Shackleton ventured there a century ago. It seems inevitable that Werner Herzog should make his own South Pole exploration. In documentaries such as Grizzly Man, Little Dieter Needs to Fly, Lessons of Darkness and many others, Herzog has proven to be our cinematic poet laureate of men (and occasionally women) living in extremes. In Encounters at the End of the World, Herzog travels to the Antarctic community of McMurdo Station, on Ross Island, the headquarters for the National Science Foundation and home to eleven hundred people during the austral summer (October to February.) Beyond the settlement, he ventures through a science-fiction landscape, from the under-ice depths of the Ross Sea, to the brink of the Mount Erebus volcano.
Over the course of Herzog’s journey, nature in the wild shares equal time with human nature. McMurdo is a gathering place for people who want to step off the map or, in the words of one resident, “full-time travellers and part-time workers – professional dreamers.” The film’s episodic structure and Herzog’s knack for uncovering colourful characters are reminiscent of the great travel writer Bruce Chatwin (whose novel The Viceroy of Ouidah Herzog adapted for Cobra Verde).
Herzog’s encounters are alternately surreal, absurd, profound and, sometimes, all of the above. McMurdo newcomers train by covering their heads with buckets – to simulate blizzard blindness – and stumble through the snow practising life-or-death scenarios. A team of underwater scientists casually discovers three new species of life in one day. As a corrective to March of the Penguins, an expert at Cape Royds describes the birds’ aberrant behaviours, including threesomes and all-out avian madness.
Along the way, Herzog’s unmistakable voice ruminates on themes characteristic of his oeuvre, such as the mystery and malevolence of nature. At other times, he withholds commentary, leaving us to ponder sights from the end of the earth, set to a soundtrack of choral music. It’s enough to leave anyone speechless.

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« Reply #146 on: 08-09-2007, 02:02:23 »
Ghoule ne znam da li si cuo da je jedan lik preveo price Lavkrafta,moj drugar radi ilustracije,knjiga ce veoma brzo ici u stampu.. :!: auh zaboravio sam ime tog autora,saznacu brzo..

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« Reply #147 on: 08-09-2007, 02:28:15 »
daj imena, adrese i izdavača čim doznaš.

krajnje je vreme da NEKO to objavi...

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« Reply #148 on: 08-09-2007, 07:26:39 »
Om-nama-om-Vishnu-bataja  :!:

P.S. Pa realno samo dokumentarac moze da dochara to lud'lo nad lud'lima koje se odvija dole, igrani film teshko ja sam reko, Lafkrafta nece u skorije vreme niko moci da dochara kako valja i prilichi...

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« Reply #149 on: 08-09-2007, 13:00:01 »
ma biće knjiga o lavkraftu kolko oćeš, ali samo jedan je ghoulov Nekronomikon od 600 strana u tvrdom povezu velikog formata, već na ovogodišnjem Sajmu knjiga.
Put ćemo naći ili ćemo ga napraviti.

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« Reply #150 on: 09-09-2007, 06:02:57 »
autor knjige ce biti Djordje Petrovic prevedene su samo cetiri price..price ce biti ona vesticija kuca,tajna srebrnog kljuca,ktuluu pa cetvrti.. hmm ne mogu se setiti..
 Nekronomikon sa 600 strana bi ugrabio sto pre ajde ljudi dajte gas :!: ..

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« Reply #151 on: 09-09-2007, 10:08:37 »
Da li je bilo reči o ovom filmu u okviru ovog - ili nekog srodnog - topika? Verovatno jete, ali evo jednog ultra pozitivnog rivjua s DREAD CENTRAL-a.

Ocena 5 od 5!  
:!:  :!:  :!:  :!:  :!:

Hajpovanje? Mođžda. Ipak, kontam da ovo definitivno vredi nabaviti.

Cthulhu (2007)
Starring Jason Cottle, Scott Green, Dennis Kleinsmith, Tori Spelling

Directed by Dan Gildark and Grant Cogswell

I have been dreading the arrival of Cthulhu. My fascination with all things Lovecraft is well documented and I have been following this film’s development for a while. As I learned more about the film, I grew ever more skeptical about the final product’s success. It appeared that anything that could go wrong with it had done so; he production had hit money troubles, they had Tori Spelling in the cast, and then there was the “gay thing”.

Cthulhu’s creators had made no secret that they were planning to attack several hot issues within their film, not the least of them was homosexuality. I discussed this with Cogswell when I interviewed him, and while he had good reasoning for his approach to the main character, I found my self still uneasy with the premise. Add to this an attack on American world view and environmentalism and I was beginning to fear that there was no way that this film was going to succeed.

Too often writers and directors add in materials to Lovecraftian stories in order to help translate the premise into a functional film framework. The problem here is that usually the film’s premise just cannot stand up to the weight of the issues presented and one or the other gets lost in the resulting rubble. These films just collapse under their own weight and we're usually left with a mess and another example of why it's so hard to make a great H.P. movie. So, given all that Cogswell has claiming to have done to a simple story like "The Shadow Over Innsmouth", it was easy to see why I was so scared that Cthulhu was going to be one of the biggest debacles to ever grace the Old One’s mythos.

I couldn't have been more wrong.

Everything I thought that was going to make Cthulhu not work actually ended up making it a stronger, more horrifying experience. The experience of watching this film was as perfect a translation of modern times through the lens of Lovecraft as I have ever seen attempted. Director Dan Gildark and writer/director Grant Cogswell have pulled of the near impossible: They have created a monster that is not only provocative and challenging, but beautiful all at the same time.

I don’t even know where to begin.

The story centers on Russell Marsh, who returns to Rivermouth because his mother has just died. In returning, Russell (played with an awesome quiet cool by Jason Cottle) comes to face the small town he left behind for one of a more accepting size, an odd distant zealot of a father, and a mystery brought about by a “from beyond the grave” message from his mother. The plot is simple, but they way it plays out is anything but.

The town is very off to Russell. They do not accept him and they even shun him a bit. Townsfolk empathic to Russell’s cause are chided and when they offer help, they are terrified to do so. Is this all due to Russell’s lifestyle? Or is there something more sinister at hand? Cthulhu expertly blurs the lines of what the real reason is; I never got a feel that it was really one over the other.

Russell is, for the most part, left to deal with things on his own. There's a passing love interest, a childhood friend now all grown up; Mike (Green). Russ and Mike were once friends (and more), but Mike grew up and got a family and a kid. The family is gone and now Mike may be open to Russ’s advances. This is a complex and tender relationship that is more deep and real than almost any other film I have ever seen on the subject matter. This in itself says volumes about the performances turned in by Cottle and Scott Green. They effortlessly convey the delicate relationship, which makes the rest of the film all the more powerful.

As Russ struggles with the confusing relationship between him and Mike, he also has to face the family he left behind. His father, the head of a weird cult call the “Esoteric Order of Dagon”, is brought to life by the unyielding performance of Dennis Kleinsmith. Reverend Marsh and crew worship the Old Ones and are not about to hide their glee at the prospect of their deities immanent return. Russell feels guilty for leaving and now, estranged from his father, he struggles to make sense of his place within the family now that his one anchor to it (his mother) is gone. It's this type of atavistic guilt that permeates so much of Lovecraft’s work and never before have I seen it fleshed out so well. Cthulhu uses its framework to create, via Russell, a layer of guilt that almost seems suffocating. Again, questions are raised: Is Russell’s father more upset that his son is gay, or that he has not yet joined the fold?

Tori Spelling makes an appearance as a sultry housewife with an ulterior motive. She plays the part with a weird mix of slight camp and sex. She does nothing to really detract from the film, which is what I had feared. She's a strange antithesis to the character of Mike in every way imaginable.

Swirling around all of this is a world that is coming apart at the seams. Global warming, specie extinctions, human apathy, global economics and politics are just a few things that we get a feeling for in the film. It's fed to us by passing news on the television or radio and it serves to paint a bleak world for all of this to take place within.

Painting a picture of this crumbling dystopia is the sweeping landscapes and worn, established buildings that make up the Rivermouth town and surrounding area. Director Dan Gildark and cinematographer Sean Kirby choose to insert wide helicopter shots of landscapes that appear to float beside the ocean. Their vast greens and blues give us the feeling of insignificance that is key to these tales. The art direction team of Liz Cawthon and Etta Lilienthal weave together nightmarish images of unreal rooms, tight terror tunnels and boxes of live human limbs. Whether it dreamt or awake, the images served up by this crew deserve more affirmatory adjectives than my thesaurus has at the moment.

Cthulhu is not a movie for everyone. It doesn't need to be. It's paced and deliberate and doesn't try to be anything it's not. It's the simple story of a man, trying to understand who he is, where he is, and why the world is the way it is. These are questions we all can ask, but a lot of us choose to ignore. Cthulhu is not about squid-headed monsters or formless beasts from the void. It's about the sad fact that humans are not the center of the universe, that in the real game of life all of the big issue we face don't amount to much when the real end comes. Dan Gildark and Grant Cogswell have sculpted an enigmatic look at the reality of humanity, and the persistence of fate. For even when we do come to understand that we are just small insects dancing on the head of a pin, the horror comes when we then understand that even insects have a destiny.

One that there is no escape from...
"zombi je mali žuti cvet"

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« Reply #152 on: 09-09-2007, 11:17:13 »
ne bih da zvučim negativno, ali koja je zaista poenta ovoga:
Quote from: "WARLOCK"
autor knjige ce biti Djordje Petrovic prevedene su samo cetiri price..price ce biti ona vesticija kuca,tajna srebrnog kljuca,ktuluu pa cetvrti...


naročito u poređenju sa ovim:
Quote from: "Boban"
samo jedan je ghoulov Nekronomikon od 600 strana u tvrdom povezu velikog formata, već na ovogodišnjem Sajmu knjiga.


vesticja kuca već postoji na srpskom, u sasvim ok prevodu; tajna srebrnog kljuca takođe (šta više, ona je deo ciklusa i malo je bezveze vaditi je iz kontexta, odnosno ako ta četvrta nije kroz kapiju srebrnog ključa, koja TAKOĐE već postoji na srpskom); znači, jedino je ktulu premijerno tu...

ali ČEMU više te sitne knjižice sa 4-5 proizvoljno odabrane pričice???

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« Reply #153 on: 09-09-2007, 16:58:45 »
pa knjiga ce biti tu negde oko 200 strana..ali ne znam zasto bas tih nekoliko prica...ako kazes da vec postoji prevedene price jel su objavljene negde,da li ima da se kupi po knjizarama?,ja nikad nisam naleteo..od lavkrafta sam jedino citao Dextera Vorda..ali na zalost knjige na engl. ne citam.. :P

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« Reply #154 on: 09-09-2007, 17:27:18 »
VEŠTICA u radovom 's onu stranu sna', SREBRNI KLJUČ u gradininim 'u planinama ludila'.

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« Reply #155 on: 03-10-2007, 16:58:10 »
Quote from: "Boban"
ma biće knjiga o lavkraftu kolko oćeš, ali samo jedan je ghoulov Nekronomikon od 600 strana u tvrdom povezu velikog formata, već na ovogodišnjem Sajmu knjiga.


dok čekamo i taj dan, evo kako neki izvori predstavljaju naslovnu stranu ovog izdanja (zapazite manju štamparsku grešku u naslovu):




još ktuloidne zabave, ovde:

http://lolthulhu.com/%3E

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« Reply #156 on: 03-10-2007, 20:17:30 »
Video sam danas po knjizarama,da se u prodaji nalazi novo izdanje knjige "Slucaj Carlsa Dekstera Vorda" po cijeni od 800 din.

Imali nesto od ovoga "ali samo jedan je ghoulov Nekronomikon od 600 strana u tvrdom povezu velikog formata, već na ovogodišnjem Sajmu knjiga."?
moj se postupak čitanja sastoji u visokoobdarenom prelistavanju.

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« Reply #157 on: 03-10-2007, 20:19:58 »
Quote from: "Alexdelarge"
Video sam danas po knjizarama,da se u prodaji nalazi novo izdanje knjige "Slucaj Carlsa Dekstera Vorda" po cijeni od 800 din.


aj leba ti doznaj (ako već nisi), je li to i NOVI PREVOD, ili onaj isti, po treći put?

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« Reply #158 on: 03-10-2007, 20:24:10 »
Quote from: "Ghoul"
Quote from: "Alexdelarge"
Video sam danas po knjizarama,da se u prodaji nalazi novo izdanje knjige "Slucaj Carlsa Dekstera Vorda" po cijeni od 800 din.


aj leba ti doznaj (ako već nisi), je li to i NOVI PREVOD, ili ono isto, po treći put?


Na sajtu knjizara.com pise da je prevodilac,niko drugi do Velmar-Janković Svetlana
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« Reply #159 on: 03-10-2007, 20:28:17 »
pa da, znači ISTI onaj od ranije... koji ostavlja mnogo toga za čežnju! :wink:

edit: eee, čekaj malo, ČDV-a je radila GORDANA v-janković, a ne svetlana!

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« Reply #160 on: 03-10-2007, 20:40:46 »
Quote from: "Ghoul"
pa da, znači ISTI onaj od ranije... koji ostavlja mnogo toga za čežnju! :wink:

edit: eee, čekaj malo, ČDV-a je radila GORDANA v-janković, a ne svetlana!


Pa, to je ta njihova porodicna zanatska radnja"Velmar Jankovic"...jos samo da se pojavi i neupokojeni duh Vladimira V.Jankovica iz nekog Laguma i eto ti horor price. :evil:
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« Reply #161 on: 11-11-2007, 16:08:04 »
haha... cisto da malo resurrectujem temu....
danas sam od predobrog gospodina Gerija Hila dobio .pdf izdanje njegove obimne knjige THE STRANGE SOUND OF CTHULHU, gde covek do najstinijih detalja opisuje sve muzicke obrade (teksualno gledano, i ono atmosferski, kompozicijski) Lavkraftovih motiva u mizucu...

sad, necu spoilovati ovde o knjizi, vec cu napisati prikaz za Emitor... ja sam uverend a je knjgia OK, cim je covek istrazujuci materijal uradio intervju sa Justinom Obornom iz epski velikih metal ikona Electric Wizard. Dobro je sto knjiga pokriva "sve" pojave Lavkrafta u muzici od 60tih na ovamo, i to prosarano kroz sve moguce zanrove...

 

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« Reply #162 on: 11-11-2007, 23:05:33 »
Morbid Angel? Nile?

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« Reply #163 on: 12-11-2007, 04:28:57 »
da, ali daleko pre njih i Black Sabbath, Hawkwind, i mnoogi drugi.

napr. Electric Wizard, nema benda koji mu se vise klanja. na poslenjem albumu imaju i pesmu DUNWICH... sa mantrom vokala obavijenom zidovima buke, mantrom koja se beskrajno ponavlja i odzvanja:

"The end has become,
Our time has come"

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« Reply #164 on: 12-11-2007, 13:17:50 »
evo kako je ovu knjigu o HPL muzici prokomentariso moj prijatelj nidža ALONE / ILEGALNE EMOCIJE, dakle mnogo veći expert za mjuz od mene i s koji mse po ovom pitanju vrlo slažem:

ne znam, meni ova knjiga deluje bezveze. bolje bi bilo da je napisao esej od 5 strana o jednom ozbiljnom i uspesnom muzickom delu koje je inspirisano lovecraftom [ako takvo postoji] nego da je nagomilao preko 200 strana fusnota. mislim, pod gothic pominje cassandra complex... tipican tinejdzerski paljevinski bend koji se lozi na satanizam, crowleya, pa eto i na lovecrafta. ali takvih je bilo... verujem da bi cak i mene stavio u knjigu da je doznao za numeru 'lovecraftwerker'. mislim svaka njemu cast na trudu, mogu misliti koliko je zivaca potrebno da bi se ispratio sav onaj prog rock, ali uzeo je jalovu temu da ozbiljno obraduje.
 
najlovecraftovskiji naslovi koji mi padaju na pamet su flint glas 'nyarlatothep' [koji mi se i ne svida nesto], drugi album forma tadre [koji je dosta bolji] i sigillums numera from the vault - hpl [sto je najbolje]. zapravo vecina muzike koju sam cuo da citira lovecrafta nema taj njegov vajb, a muzika koja ima njegov vajb nije inspirisana lovecraftom [recimo coil].

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« Reply #165 on: 12-11-2007, 14:21:47 »
da, ima tu istine... ali da je covek hteo da napise esej o jednom opskurnom bendu - napisao bi to, ovo je retrospektiva bukvalno svakog osvrta na Lavkrafta u muzici.
 
ovaj lik se mnogo vise zadrzao u progu, hard roku, metalu... Vitko je stari goth andergraund lik, te kapiram tvoj i njegov goth elitizam, ali mi, narodski ljudi (NIkola Kinovia i ja), smo jos i zadovoljni knjigom, iako je daleko od oga sto bi takva knjiga tebalo da bude.

mada, i to sto kazes...
...onosto odise Lavkraftom uglavnom nema direktne veze sa njima, a ovi sto se direktno busaju na njega su trashy, sem Electric Wizard, naravno. hehe
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« Reply #166 on: 20-11-2007, 02:52:27 »
CTHULHU!!!

We can dance like Cthulhu
We can answer to his call
Watch him kick Lady Liberty's head
down the road like a soccer ball
Say, we can dance like Cthulhu
Live it up while the livin's good
Cause once he awakens, the world starts shakin'
and there goes the neighborhood
Say, we can dance, we can dance
Great Old Ones are in control
We can dance, we can dance
Hear them callin' the call
We can dance, we can dance
Terror makes you go in a trance
We can dance, we can dance
Everybody's shitting their p-a-a-nts
The Cthulhu Dance
The Cthulhu Dance
The Cthulhu Dance
YEAH!
It's the CTHULHU DANCE!!!

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« Reply #167 on: 29-11-2007, 14:30:05 »
Nekoć si bio punk, sad si Štefan Frank.

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« Reply #168 on: 29-11-2007, 15:07:17 »
CHILL je skinut, i čeka na konzumaciju... ;)
"zombi je mali žuti cvet"

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« Reply #169 on: 29-11-2007, 15:48:11 »
Woohoohoo!!! Ešli Lorens!!!  :D  :!:  Ovo ću da gledam bez obzira što je film sasvim sigurno grozan.

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« Reply #170 on: 29-11-2007, 17:26:34 »
'cool air' je jedna od najbanalnijih, najkonvencionalnijih, najslabijih HPL-ovih PALP priča i uopšte me ne čudi što žlj filmmejkeri često posežu za njom.  :roll:  :x

a ovaj baja je baš neki žlj nivo, tipična vrsta retarda za blasfemiju još jedne HPL priče!
zabavno je što je efekte maske radio neki Erik Porn (!!!), ali niko iz te ekipe mi nije poznat, što me dodatno čini sumnjičavim. kao i komentari poput: 'The special FX that are used in the ending of the movie would have been a shame in the early 80s, now they're not even funny anymore. The rest of the effects (make-up effects) aren't bad. So the only scene where the effects are really awful is at the very end of the movie.'

a slasherpool kaže: It is what it is, a mediocre DTV flick where a good concept has once again gone completely to waste. It's
occasionally entertaining and if you catch it on TV,
you'll probably end up watching it until the end. It's
just not something I'd want to pay money for. Forgettable movie, but the US editwill hopefully be a whole lot better.

 :roll:

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« Reply #171 on: 29-11-2007, 19:41:44 »
Realno, dovoljno je pogledati plakat ovog filma i zakljuciti kakav je. Inace nisam obozavatellj teorije "sudi knjigu po koricama", ali ovde je to opravdano ili barem tako deluje.
Ne treba trositi vreme na gledanje ovoga, ali mi je bilo zanimljivo za okaciti na topic.
Nekoć si bio punk, sad si Štefan Frank.

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« Reply #172 on: 29-11-2007, 19:57:22 »
čak i poster je jeftina i ružna krađa beskrajno lepšeg i smelijeg plakata za FLESH FOR FRANKENSTEIN.

naravno, neki lopovi sa ovog foruma bi potpuno podržali takvo što, ali meni je gnusno.

ne mogu da nađem baš verziju na koju mislim, ovo je jedna od njenih varijacija:


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« Reply #173 on: 03-01-2008, 23:10:13 »
struart gordon radi (H.P. Lovecraft's) The Thing on the Doorstep.

to je jedna od slabijih HPL priča, ali je tim veća šansa da film NE bude slab!

 Today we were informed that casting is officially underway with the intent on shooting April 14th with the adaptation written by Dennis Paoli. In addition, we've scored the official synopsis (being used now) and full casting breakdown for the film, which can all be found inside. Beware of spoilers.

The Thing on the Doorstep
SYNOPSIS: Psychiatrist EDWARD DERBY becomes obsessed with the beautiful, terrified ASENATH WAITE, who claims that her father EPHRAIM is trying to take over her body with his mind. Despite causing considerable heartache to his devoted wife KATIE, Edward winds up having a sexual liaison with Asenath, which triggers the transfer of Ephriam's soul from Asenath's body to his own. Aware that he's descending into madness but powerless to stop it, Edward consults his best friend, fellow shrink DANIEL MEYER, who fails to believe Edward's story until it's too late.

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« Reply #174 on: 04-01-2008, 09:50:19 »
Sad sam dobila s Amazona Graphic Classics: H.P. Lovecraft. Sadrži stripove A Memory (ill. by Gerry Alanguilan), The Shadow Over Innsmouth (Simon Gane), Dreams in the Witch-House (Pedro Lopez), Sweet Ermengarde (Kevin Atkinson), Herbert West: Reanimator (Richard Corben, Rick Geary, J.B. Boniverti, Mark A. Nelson), The Cats of Ultar (Lisa K. Weber), The Terrible Old Man (Onsmith Jeremi) i The Shadov Out of Time (Matt Howarth).
Ghoul fhtagn!

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« Reply #175 on: 07-01-2008, 15:13:17 »
Veliki pozdrav svim clanovima foruma.

Zelio bi samo da podelim jednu informaciju sa vama. Uskoro izlazi knjiga KTULU PRICE - Lafkraft. Sasvim slucajno sam pravio koricu  za knjigu, pa pouzdano znam da ce izaci za koji mesec.

POZZZZ

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Re: KTULU PRICE
« Reply #176 on: 07-01-2008, 16:09:09 »
Quote from: "Anciger"
KTULU PRICE - Lafkraft.


nadam se da na korici ipak ne piše - Lafkraft?!

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« Reply #177 on: 07-01-2008, 16:23:39 »
nisam bas najbolje razumeo pitanje

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« Reply #178 on: 07-01-2008, 16:24:55 »
svakako  :lol: , to sam prekopirao sa poruke koja se nalazi na ovom forumu

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« Reply #179 on: 07-01-2008, 23:02:38 »
hehe, upravo mi reče moj prijatelj s. popivoda, da za najkasnije 30-40ak dana izlazi NEKRONOMIKON.
ali ne ovaj fantomski bobanov, nego PRAVI – by john dee, a možda i još neka verzija (pošto tih kvazi-nekronomikona ima bar 3-4 komada, ako ne i više).

dakle, kao što rekoh, 2008. ĆE BITI GODINA VELIKIH PREVRATA I RASPLETA, što signališe i pojačano interesovanje za lavkrafta i sve što je vezano za njega!!!

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« Reply #180 on: 08-01-2008, 00:36:09 »
Ja sam u nekom trenutku shvatio da se horor previše razmahao i da ga treba sputati.
S tim u vezi smislio sam najstrašniju moguću psinu: na naslovnu stranu NEKRONOMIKONA dodajem "SF pripovetke". I dodajem na kraju knjige popis SF motiva koje je koristio Lavkraft.
Put ćemo naći ili ćemo ga napraviti.

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« Reply #181 on: 08-01-2008, 00:42:32 »
samo izvoli, ali onda ne očekuj da na bilo koji način učestvujem u promociji takvog izdanja.

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« Reply #182 on: 08-01-2008, 01:38:00 »
Za Ghoula.. jedan umetnik veliki obozavalac Lavkrafta  uradio je mnoogo sklulptura :!:


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« Reply #183 on: 08-01-2008, 03:31:34 »
odličan je ovaj insmućanin; ktulu je previše slepački oslonjen na tu HPL-ovu skicu, koja zaista ne valja.
ipak, lepo izrađeno: hvala što si ovo okačio!
 :!:

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« Reply #184 on: 08-01-2008, 03:58:31 »
nema na cemu :evil: dodje mi da napravim neku slicnu skulpturu :!:

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« Reply #185 on: 10-01-2008, 01:11:28 »
JEDAN OD MOJIH OMILJENIH BENDOVA NAJAVLJUJE:

Hot news for you today.

Forma Tadre is going to release a brand new album - The Music of Erich Zann - early this year on iTunes. Pre-listen to tracks taken from
the forthcoming album now on our myspace profile page.

Lots more news on that very, soon... so watch this space.

www.formatadre.com
www.myspace.com/formatadre

SSSSSUUUUUUPPPPEEEEEEEEEER!!!
 :!:  :!:  :!:

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« Reply #186 on: 28-01-2008, 00:19:43 »

Ghoul

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« Reply #187 on: 24-04-2008, 12:20:05 »
jos jedno skrnavljenje u pripremi

Jeffrey Combs, will be heading toward H.P. Lovecraft territory once again to begin work on THE DARKEST EVIL, which will be an adaptation of Lovecraft's THE DUNWICH HORROR.

Combs has appeared in a bunch of loosely adapted Lovecraft flicks, from the immortal RE-ANIMATOR and its sequels, to the wacky FROM BEYOND.

THE DARKEST EVIL will tell the tale of Wilbur Whateley, who wishes to use the Necronomican (that old thing...) to unleash evil upon mankind.

The film will also star Dean Stockwell, Griff Furst and Sarah Lieving. It'll be directed by Leigh Scott, who has some wonderful credits like HILLSIDE CANNIBALS and TRANSMORPHERS. If you guessed that he used to work for Asylum, specializers in quick, cheap ripoffs, you were right. This is supposedly going to have a limited theatrical release this fall, so keep your eyes peeled for more info!
 :roll:

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« Reply #188 on: 08-05-2008, 17:02:28 »


slušam album Tribute To H.P.Lovecraft, i moram reći da je ovo PRVI od gomile slično-tematskih koji zapravo ZAISTA ZVUČI U SKLADU SA HPL DUHOM kako ga ja poimam - to je zaista TO!

dakle, brutalno mračni dark-ambient, pa ko voli...  :!:





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« Reply #189 on: 08-05-2008, 21:27:55 »
Znam da sam već negde video ovu ilustraciju :!:

http://www.waynebarlowe.com/

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« Reply #190 on: 11-05-2008, 16:14:39 »
evo jednog intervjua u kome izvesni 'expert' za lavkrafta govori o HPL-ovoj vezi sa ezoterijom i okultizmom, te o svom boravku u providensu i drugim okultno-hororičnim temama:

Dejan Ognjanović – Lavkraft je bio skeptičan prema okultizmu!
http://www.prosvetljenje.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=97&Itemid=27

a kad ste već tamo, razgledajte i ostatak sajta, naročito ako vas zanima ezoterija (+ njene obrade u muzici, literaturi itd.)

http://www.prosvetljenje.net/

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« Reply #191 on: 12-05-2008, 14:04:11 »
Ovaj, samo da pitam Ghoula - koje su ti pet omiljenih Lavkraftovih prica?  :?:
Blijedi čovjek na tragu pervertita.
To je ta nezadrživa napaljenost mladosti.
Dušman u odsustvu Dušmana.

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« Reply #192 on: 12-05-2008, 15:18:41 »
Quote from: "Father Jape"
Ovaj, samo da pitam Ghoula - koje su ti pet omiljenih Lavkraftovih prica?  :?:


ovim redom:
1. kratki roman U planinama ludila (At the Mountains of Madness, 1931)
2. "Boja izvan ovog svemira" (The Colour Out of Space, 1927)
3. "Ktuluov zov" (The Call of Cthulhu, 1926)
4. "Senka nad Insmutom" (The Shadow Over Innsmouth, 1931)
5. "Pacovi u zidovima" (The Rats in the Walls, 1923)

ako ti se ne sviđa što sam kratki roman stavio umesto priče, evo i 2 honorable mentiona:
"Srebrni ključ" (The Silver Key, 1926) i Muzika Erika Zana (The Music of Erich Zann, 1921)

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« Reply #193 on: 12-05-2008, 16:18:38 »
Ghoule, lektorka za Nekronomikon je tajanstvaeno nestala i već deset dana je nigde nema, niti kod kuće niti na poslu.
Ajde reci šta si uradio s devojkom...
Put ćemo naći ili ćemo ga napraviti.

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« Reply #194 on: 12-05-2008, 17:00:14 »
ja?
ništa!

ali moram da zapazim da ljudi koji rade za tebe imaju neobičnu sklonost prema alkoholizmu, suicidalnom ponašanju, depresiji, i još crnjim oblicima devijacija.
neki (mudriji) na vreme daju ostavku, neki prosto odu bez ostani zbogom, a neki... nestanu.

fill in the blank...

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« Reply #195 on: 12-05-2008, 18:02:54 »
@Ghoul - blagodarim.  :!:
Blijedi čovjek na tragu pervertita.
To je ta nezadrživa napaljenost mladosti.
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« Reply #196 on: 12-05-2008, 19:46:46 »
Quote from: "Boban"
Ghoule, lektorka za Nekronomikon je tajanstvaeno nestala i već deset dana je nigde nema, niti kod kuće niti na poslu.
Ajde reci šta si uradio s devojkom...


Je l' nam to na suptilan nacin govoris da ce opet biti odlaganja izlaska Necronomicona?  :cry:
moj se postupak čitanja sastoji u visokoobdarenom prelistavanju.

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« Reply #197 on: 13-05-2008, 08:16:12 »
Quote from: "Boban"
Ghoule, lektorka za Nekronomikon je tajanstvaeno nestala i već deset dana je nigde nema, niti kod kuće niti na poslu.


Tako to bude kad ideš čeprkati po Necronomiconu...  :wink:
Ghoul fhtagn!

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« Reply #198 on: 13-05-2008, 12:16:15 »
Uspeo sam da se probijem do devojke koja radi redakturu. Na rubu očaja je, izgubila je telefon i dešavajuju joj se samo neprijatne stvari ovih dana.
Ghoule, budi dobar...
Put ćemo naći ili ćemo ga napraviti.

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« Reply #199 on: 13-05-2008, 12:19:18 »
Quote from: "Boban"
Ghoule, budi dobar...


show me how! :oops:

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« Reply #200 on: 17-05-2008, 18:55:51 »
Quote from: "Boban"
Uspeo sam da se probijem do devojke koja radi redakturu. Na rubu očaja je, izgubila je telefon i dešavajuju joj se samo neprijatne stvari ovih dana.
Ghoule, budi dobar...


Nije to Ghoul, nego Necronomiconov egregor. Cure  je hitno potrebna pomoć znalca okultnog.
Ghoul fhtagn!

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« Reply #201 on: 17-05-2008, 19:40:55 »
Spašena je...
Put ćemo naći ili ćemo ga napraviti.

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« Reply #202 on: 18-05-2008, 11:29:07 »
U engleskom kvizu Mastermind neka cica uzima Lavkraftovo deo kao area of expertise:

 
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« Reply #203 on: 18-05-2008, 11:34:03 »
slatka mala bubalica...

brzo baratanje faktima ipak ne znači da je ženski um sposoban da zaista suštinski POJMI lavkrafta... :roll:

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« Reply #204 on: 18-05-2008, 12:18:31 »
Dobro sad, takva je priroda kviza i tome slicno...  :wink:

Nego, ima iz istog kviza deo gde neki lik odgovara na pitanja iz Sandmana - jos impresivnije sto se tice rapisnog ispljuvavanja podataka.
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« Reply #205 on: 20-05-2008, 11:27:37 »
Da ne otvaram novu temu... je l' kod naske objavljena Uelbekova knjiga o Lovecraftu? Pretpostavljam da nije ,posto je nisam nasao na netu ,al ' ajd da pitam.
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« Reply #206 on: 20-05-2008, 11:33:22 »
mića je nešto pominjao hrvatsku, al ne znam dal je tamo kupio to na eng, ili su oni preveli.

inače, odličan je to esej. imam u pdfu na eng. i naravno knjigu na artiji čim je izašla.

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« Reply #208 on: 22-08-2008, 11:55:57 »
Super, ali:

Quote
Публикација није доступна - у штампи (CIP)


Kad može da se očekuje?

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« Reply #209 on: 22-08-2008, 11:59:33 »
Biblioteka Vrhunci fantastike  :D
Nekoć si bio punk, sad si Štefan Frank.

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« Reply #210 on: 22-08-2008, 11:59:54 »
Quote from: "Boban"
http://vbsw.nbs.bg.ac.yu/scripts/cobiss?ukaz=DISP&id=1148122585871238&rec=2&sid=1


Kad bre ovo izlazi? ima prvi da kupim knjigu. :!:
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« Reply #211 on: 22-08-2008, 14:20:12 »
Дошло је до прекида односно грешке. Молимо да се поново пријавите у COBISS.

There has been timeout or error. Please, reenter COBISS.

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« Reply #212 on: 22-08-2008, 14:26:23 »
Taj Lavkraft je očigledno uklet.

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« Reply #213 on: 22-08-2008, 14:28:49 »
AUTHOR.................. : Lavkraft, Hauard Filips - author
  RESPONSIBILITY.......... : Ognjanović, Dejan - editor - author of
introduction, etc. // Vitković, Nikola - illustrator
  TITLE................... : Necronomicon : najbolje horor priče Hauarda
F. Lavkrafta
  IMPRINT................. : Beograd : Everest media, 2008
  PHYSICAL DESCRIPTION.... : 605 str. : ilustr. ; 24 cm
  SERIES.................. : (#Biblioteka #Vrhunci fantastike ; #knj. #1)
  ISBN.................... : 978-86-7756-000-3
  OTHER TITLES............ : Necronomicon // Nekronomikon
  SUBJECT TERMS........... : Lavkraft, Hauard Filips (1890-1937)
  UDC..................... : 821.111(73)-34, 821.111(73).09-3 Lavkraft H.
F., 821.111(73):929 Lavkraft H. F., 012 Lavkraft H. f.
  TYPE OF MATERIAL........ : monograph, language materials, printed
  COBISS.SR-ID............ : 150549260

Ghoul

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« Reply #214 on: 22-08-2008, 18:28:06 »
Quote from: "Ghoul"
RESPONSIBILITY.......... : Ognjanović, Dejan


znači, sad ću ja da budem odgovoran za sve one lektorske brljotine? :shock:  :(  :cry:  :x

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« Reply #215 on: 22-08-2008, 20:45:11 »
Đavo je u detaljima  :)

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« Reply #216 on: 15-09-2008, 07:33:58 »
Ovo još nije naslovna strana, samo vas podsećam da se cele noći radilo na ovoj prokletoj knjizi...  

Neće da se zalepi slika, evo linka: http://www.znaksagite.com/n/nekro_verzija%2056a.pdf
Put ćemo naći ili ćemo ga napraviti.

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« Reply #217 on: 15-09-2008, 09:31:02 »
Quote from: "Boban"
Neće da se zalepi slika, evo linka


da li IKOGA čudi što nešto vezano za ovu knjigu neće da ide glatko i kako treba? :roll:

više mi se sviđala ona okultna varijanta, mislio sam da je to definitivno (naravno, ignorisati FONT i način na koji je ima pisca navedeno!  :cry:



+ mislio sam da se knjiga zove NEKRONOMIKON a ne, kako na korici piše, NECRONOMICON...

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« Reply #218 on: 15-09-2008, 09:44:07 »
Slaves to sssatan.

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« Reply #219 on: 15-09-2008, 12:02:38 »
taj Lavkraft je genijalac
za sada sam pročitao 3 njegove priče
boja iz svemira
vrebajući strah
i Ktulua  :lol:

željno očekujem ovi knjigu nadam se da će i kod nas biti u prodaju  :)
Jedini forum na kojem pravim tipkarske grekše

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« Reply #220 on: 15-09-2008, 15:54:56 »
Dizajn naslovne je korektan, ali se meni uopšte ne dopada, jer je to tipičan dizajn za knjige izdate u Srbiji, kakve rade nekakvi umetnici - dizajneri. Ništa novo, posebno, drugačije, van uobičajenih normi.

Čak je i "okultna" verzija lepša, mada nije nešto.

I šta će ime priređivača na naslovnoj, kao da je pisao sa Lavkraftom?
Avatar je bezlichna, bezukusna kasha, potpuno prazna, prosechna i neupechatljiva...USM je zhivopisan, zabavan i originalan izdanak americhke pop kulture

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« Reply #221 on: 15-09-2008, 16:19:52 »
izvinjajem se na zamjeni slova i i u   :o
Jedini forum na kojem pravim tipkarske grekše

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« Reply #222 on: 08-11-2008, 00:55:25 »
Današnji (petak 2008 11 07) “Politikin zabavnik”, br. 2961, ima ilustrovani članak Milana M. Ćirkovića o Lavkraftu, na cele tri stranice, 47-49. Opširna biografija, pregled stvaralaštva, ali i malo poznatih astronomskih i drugih naučnih interesovanja tog velikog i književno itekako vrednog pisca horora.

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« Reply #223 on: 08-11-2008, 01:44:49 »
Pa skeniraj, nemoj samo da reklamiraš!!!
Nekoć si bio punk, sad si Štefan Frank.

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« Reply #224 on: 08-11-2008, 01:57:21 »
imam odavno taj etxt u wordu, pošto sam bio nešto kao advisor, ali... naravno, nemam ovlaštenje da to kačim onlajn.

kupi zabavnik, barabo!

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« Reply #225 on: 08-11-2008, 01:59:10 »
imam odavno taj text u wordu, pošto sam bio nešto kao advisor & consultant, ali... naravno, nemam ovlaštenje autora da to kačim onlajn.

kupi zabavnik, barabo! :evil:

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« Reply #226 on: 08-11-2008, 02:04:04 »
jes, pa da me neko vidi.
Nekoć si bio punk, sad si Štefan Frank.

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« Reply #227 on: 08-11-2008, 02:34:45 »
Quote from: "DušMan"
jes, pa da me neko vidi.

reče the ZAGOR-man! :D

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« Reply #228 on: 09-11-2008, 22:28:38 »
Ja sam se izlozio opasnosti da me neko vidi  kako kupujem PZ i da me prijavi ukucanima...tekst je zanimljiv, ali prava mu je vrednost ta, sto me je podsetio da te pitam Ghoule, kanis li mozda da nesto prevodis od Artura Makena ?
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« Reply #229 on: 16-11-2008, 16:56:57 »
Machen /drool xbbat

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« Reply #230 on: 16-11-2008, 17:04:00 »
Quote from: "Alexdelarge"
Ja sam se izlozio opasnosti da me neko vidi  kako kupujem PZ i da me prijavi ukucanima...tekst je zanimljiv, ali prava mu je vrednost ta, sto me je podsetio da te pitam Ghoule, kanis li mozda da nesto prevodis od Artura Makena ?


već me neko pito to, na topiku o ktulu pričama.

u načelu, voleo bih, al mi niko to nije ponudio, a iskreno, prevođenje me manje zanima nego eventualno priređivanje.

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« Reply #231 on: 03-04-2009, 09:16:06 »
pogledao sam CTHULHU-a.
eh, šta reći?
teško je u malo reči.
zato, vidi naširoko, ovde:
http://cultofghoul.blogspot.com/2009/04/cthulhu.html

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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #232 on: 04-05-2009, 23:32:04 »
Pogledao sam i ja Ktulua. Film je arthouse, ili bar to pokušava da bude, tako da nemojte očekivati specijalne efekte. Nemojte očekivati ni krvoproliće. Pri kraju se hvata zamajac i kreće bodycount ali sve ne neeksploatcijski uređeno - iz daljine, van ekrana, nedovršeno... Znate već kako to ide. Film je koštao $750,000 (ako je verovati IMDb-u) ali nisam siguran na šta su potrošene te pare. Možda na honorar Tori Speling? Glumci su drugorazredni, uključujući i glavnog, i to je veliki problem. Gluma nije katastrofalana ali kada radite dramu sa elementima horora potrebni su vam baš talentovani ljudi. Dramu ne može svako da odigra kako valja.
"zombi je mali žuti cvet"

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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #233 on: 28-05-2009, 14:51:19 »
ovo je super:

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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #234 on: 28-05-2009, 14:53:22 »
baba, vidi - jedan ruski ktulu amulet:



 Russian Cthulhu Amulet

Most of the time the HPLHS only sells items we make or directly commission, but every now and then we find something so cool, we have to make it available to you. (click here to see artwork enlarged).

This amulet is made by an artist in Russia with extraordinary detail and workmanship. The entire amulet is made of sterling silver, ringed in 5 micron thick plating of 24k gold. One side features Cthulhu with the words "Cthulhu Fhtagn!" rendered in cyrillic. The reverse side is a complex occult symbol that even we haven't figured out yet. The bezel of the amulet is ringed with tiny lettering (we'll let you discover what it says). There are other mysteries embedded in the artwork which should keep the cryptographers among you entertained. It's really nice. You want one of these.

The Cthulhu amulet is suitable to be worn as a pendant on an everyday basis or you can just crack it out for special occult ceremonies. Please be aware it is small (a little bigger and thicker than a US quarter), but that's part of what makes the workmanship so extraordinary. The amulets are rather difficult to get and we import them in small quantities from the Russian Federation.

$180.00


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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #235 on: 03-06-2009, 08:41:02 »
Neka i je ruski, ali nakon svega čega sam se nagledala na netu na tu temu izgleda mi kabasto.

Ali pročitao si mi misli: baš razmišljam gdje da nabavim Innsmuthski nakit (ala granma Marsh)  ;)
Ghoul fhtagn!

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« Reply #238 on: 28-04-2011, 23:49:53 »

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« Reply #239 on: 10-09-2011, 12:51:20 »


Product Description
The Cthulhu Mythos is one of the 20th century''s most singularly recognizable literary creations. Initially created by H. P. Lovecraft and a group of his amorphous contemporaries (the so-called "Lovecraft Circle"), The Cthulhu Mythos story cycle has taken on a convoluted, cyclopean life of its own. Some of the most prodigious writers of the 20th century, and some of the most astounding writers of the 21st century have planted their seeds in this fertile soil. The Book of Cthulhu harvests the weirdest and most corpulent crop of these modern mythos tales. From weird fiction masters to enigmatic rising stars, The Book of Cthulhu demonstrates how Mythos fiction has been a major cultural meme throughout the 20th century, and how this type of story is still salient, and terribly powerful today. Table of Contents: Caitlin R. Kiernan - Andromeda among the Stones Ramsey Campbell - The Tugging Charles Stross - A Colder War Bruce Sterling - The Unthinkable Silvia Moreno-Garcia - Flash Frame W. H. Pugmire - Some Buried Memory Molly Tanzer - The Infernal History of the Ivybridge Twins Michael Shea - Fat Face Elizabeth Bear - Shoggoths in Bloom T. E. D. Klien - Black Man With A Horn David Drake - Than Curse the Darkness Charles Saunders - Jeroboam Henley''s Debt Thomas Ligotti - Nethescurial Kage Baker - Calamari Curls Edward Morris - Jihad over Innsmouth Cherie Priest - Bad Sushi John Hornor Jacobs - The Dream of the Fisherman''s Wife Brian McNaughton - The Doom that Came to Innsmouth Ann K. Schwader - Lost Stars Steve Duffy - The Oram County Whoosit Joe R. Lansdale - The Crawling Sky Brian Lumley - The Fairground Horror Tim Pratt - Cinderlands Gene Wolfe - Lord of the Land Joseph Pulver, Sr. - To Live and Die in Arkham John Langan - The Shallows Laird Barron - The Men from Porlock

Paperback: 500 pages
Publisher: Night Shade Books (6 Sep 2011)
Language English
ISBN-10: 1597802328
ISBN-13: 978-1597802321
Product Dimensions: 22.9 x 15.2 x 5.1 cm
"Realism is a literary technique no longer adequate for the purpose of representing reality."

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« Reply #240 on: 13-09-2011, 17:06:35 »
da li neko može da potvrdi autentičnost ove, navodno Lavkraftove, pesmice?

Quote
When, long ago, the gods created Earth
 In Jove's fair image Man was shaped at birth.
 The beasts for lesser parts were next designed;
 Yet were they too remote from humankind.
 To fill the gap, and join the rest to Man,
 Th'Olympian host conceiv'd a clever plan.
 A beast they wrought, in semi-human figure,
 Filled it with vice, and called the thing a Nigger.

izvor kaže da je napisana 1912.
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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #241 on: 13-09-2011, 17:16:43 »
mogu ja.

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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #243 on: 30-03-2013, 03:13:45 »
LAVKRAFT DOBIO KRATER NA MERKURU!



Newly Named Mercury Craters Honor Hawaiian Guitarist, Beloved Young Adult Author
The International Astronomical Union (IAU) — the arbiter of planetary and satellite nomenclature since its inception in 1919 — recently approved a proposal from the MESSENGER Science Team to assign names to nine impact craters on Mercury. In keeping with the established naming theme for craters on Mercury, all of the newly designated features are named after famous deceased artists, musicians, or authors or other contributors to the humanities. The newly named craters are

    Lovecraft, for Howard Phillips Lovecraft (1890-1937), an American author of horror, fantasy, and science fiction regarded as one of the most influential horror writers of the 20th Century. He popularized "cosmic horror," the notion that some concepts, entities, or experiences are barely comprehensible to human minds, and those who delve into such topics risk their sanity.

i još osmorica drugih, među kojima je rerih hpl-relevant (njegove slike himalajskih predela inspirisale su visoravan leng i uplaninama ludila):
   
    Roerich, for Nicholas Roerich (1874-1947), a Russian painter and philosopher who initiated the modern movement for the defense of cultural objects. His most notable achievement was the Roerich Pact of 1935, an international treaty signed by India, the Baltic states, and 22 nations of the Americas (including the United States), affirming that monuments, museums, scientific, artistic, educational, and cultural institutions and their personnel are to be considered neutral in times of war unless put to military use.

http://www.universetoday.com/101017/new-crater-names-approved-for-mercurys-south-pole-more/#ixzz2Oxj5LuxE

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« Reply #244 on: 04-04-2013, 02:22:51 »
pošto je uspešno osvojio makroKOSMOS i dobio svoj krater na merkuru, lavkraft osvaja i mikrokosmos! gde god pogledaš, ne mo'š mu umaći!  8-)

Tiny octopus-like microorganisms named after science fiction monsters

UBC researchers have discovered two new symbionts living in the gut of termites, and taken the unusual step of naming them after fictional monsters created by American horror author HP Lovecraft.

The single-cell protists, Cthulhu macrofasciculumque and Cthylla microfasciculumque, help termites digest wood. The researchers decided to name them after monstrous cosmic entities featured in Lovecraft’s Cthulhu Mythos as an ode to the sometimes strange and fascinating world of the microbe.

“When we first saw them under the microscope they had this unique motion, it looked almost like an octopus swimming,” says UBC researcher Erick James, lead author of the paper describing the new protists, published in the online journal PLoS ONE.

The octopus-like movements and appearance of both protists reminded James of the horrid Cthulhu and Cthylla, and the little protists were baptized after the two monsters. Cthulhu is often depicted as a giant, octopus-like entity with wings. Cthylla is his daughter, and has a similar appearance.

Most of the larger protists living in termites have already been identified, but Cthulhu and Cthylla are very small – they are in the range of 10 to 20 microns, while the bigger protists are around 50 to 150 microns – and had passed unnoticed until now. But although tiny, the protists and their brethren have a big impact, much like their fictional namesakes.

“The huge diversity of microbial organisms is a completely untapped resource,” says James. “Studying protists can tell us about the evolution of organisms. Some protists cause diseases, but others live in symbiotic relationships, like these flagellates in the intestines of termites.”

UBC’s research was supported by grants from the Natural Sciences and Engineering Research Council of Canada and a grant from the Tula Foundation to the Centre for Microbial Diversity and Evolution.

http://science.ubc.ca/news/697




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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #245 on: 04-04-2013, 02:57:47 »
BOJA IZVAN OVOG SVEMIRA najsličnija je sivkasto-zelenkastoj boji dolara, tačnije - PET MILIONA DOLARA!!!

Strange rock used as a ham press turns out to be $5M meteorite

One man's junk is another man's priceless artifact from outer space.

Faustino Asensio Lopez, a farmer from Spain, discovered a strange rock while surveying his fields back in 1980. It weighed a whopping 220 pounds, so he did what any practical man might do -- he put the darn thing to work.

For 30 years, the suspicious rock served Lopez well as a ham press. But one day, Lopex saw a news report about meteors landing in Spain. Suddenly curious, he decided he would finally figure out just what he had. The result is better than every Antique Roadshow appraisal combined.

    ...after extensive analysis by geologists, it has been determined that Lopez's ham press is actually a pre-historic metallic meteorite, with a value somewhere north of $5 million.

Wow! That is one expensive meat tenderizer! And with good reason -- how else are you going to make pork from space or, as Dr. Seuss might call it, Green Eggs and Ham?

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« Reply #246 on: 19-04-2013, 11:13:49 »
Gomila Lavkraftovih pisama i novinskih članaka u vezi kulture, politike, rasnih pitanja itd.

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t765398/

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« Reply #247 on: 29-07-2013, 21:10:28 »
zna li neko koje su priče zastupljene u tabernaklovom izdanju reanimator?
moj se postupak čitanja sastoji u visokoobdarenom prelistavanju.

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« Reply #248 on: 29-07-2013, 21:20:57 »
Дагон, Реаниматор, Алхемичар, Бели брод, Сенка над Инсмутом, Безимени град, Гроб.
America can't protect you, Allah can't protect you… And the KGB is everywhere.

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« Reply #249 on: 29-07-2013, 21:23:59 »
zahvaljujem.
moj se postupak čitanja sastoji u visokoobdarenom prelistavanju.

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« Reply #250 on: 29-07-2013, 21:38:02 »
Превод је слаб, не препоручујем ово издање због причице или две које нема у "Некрономикону".
America can't protect you, Allah can't protect you… And the KGB is everywhere.

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« Reply #251 on: 30-07-2013, 17:35:51 »
poslušao sam tvoj savet zaobišao sam reanimatora, a pazario sam the horror in the museum, collected stories volume two.
moj se postupak čitanja sastoji u visokoobdarenom prelistavanju.

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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #252 on: 19-11-2013, 23:38:04 »

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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #253 on: 20-11-2013, 01:19:28 »
nisam čito.
deluje zanimljivo.

o lavkraftovoj misli - tj njenim filozofskim i sociološkim aspektima - čitao sam džošijevu DECLINE OF THE WEST, koja je, naravno, odlična.

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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #254 on: 20-11-2013, 16:00:33 »
Sadržaj je primamljiv. Vjerovatno ću kupiti i dati se u čitanje...

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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #255 on: 20-11-2013, 16:24:04 »
koliko vidim, autor je anonimus, a spekulativni realizam je nju ejdž sranje

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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #256 on: 20-11-2013, 17:44:31 »
... spekulativni realizam je nju ejdž sranje

Ne može biti dosadniji od transcedentalnog idealizma, u svakom slučaju. :)

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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #257 on: 20-11-2013, 18:10:26 »
možda, ali odnos t-idealizma i s-idealizma ti dođe kao odnos folka i turbo-folka. Turbo-folk je svakako zanimljiviji

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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #258 on: 20-11-2013, 18:19:23 »
Ja sam uvijek mislio da je Žižek jedini filozofski turbo-folk, i to ako se idealizam uzme kao folk.
Ne volim da zauzimam stranu ili ulazim u detalje, ali realizam, pa i ako bi bio spekulativan, uvijek stavljam isped idealizma.
A new-age ili old-school mi nisu dobre odrednice, u stvari radi se o etiketama, za dobro štivo u bilo kojoj oblasti.

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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #259 on: 20-11-2013, 19:09:48 »
niko ti ne brani da bacaš pare na ono gore, samo napred :)

ne znam zašto misliš da etiketiram, spekulativni realizam je novokomponovana filozofija, dakle imam sestrića starijeg od te struje, ako misliš da filozofija nečemu vrijedi u posljednjih 30 godina a kamoli 5-6 onda samo izvoli, ali nije to medicina pa da napreduje svake godine.

Čak ni Žižek nije toliko dobar a ne neki anonimusi koji nisu prošli ni test vremena.


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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #261 on: 27-11-2013, 01:51:48 »
i, jesi li zadovoljan?

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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #262 on: 27-11-2013, 01:58:49 »
Kad budem iščitao dovoljno, onda ću da sudim.
Svakako bi trebalo dobaviti Uelbekovu knjigu o Lavkraftu...

Hrvatsko izdanje nije toliko skupo kao što hrvatska izdanja znaju da budu.

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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #263 on: 27-11-2013, 02:18:41 »
sr je od početka promašena stvar

prvo, jer nije tačno da je filozofija prije sr subjektivistička - čak i Kant je ostavio pitanje univezuma otvorenim, i ako mene neko pita, Lavkraftovi likovi su bliži Kantu nego sr. Analitični su, individualci su, organizovano istražuju, i jedina je razlika što tamo gdje Kant staje jer nema odgovora, Lavkraft nalazi odgovor, ovakav ili onakav. Ali to nije sr.

drugo, jer sve što sr samo nagađa fizika odavno istražuje, dakle, sasvim precizna nauka razmatra odnos između objekata

potpuno je besmisleno da se vratimo bukvalno na nivo prvog filozofa od prije 2500 godina, koji je tvrdio da ''kamenje ima dušu''

to je moj najkraći osvrt na sr. Uelbek je pisac, samim tim pisac o piscu, može biti zanimljivo, a i ne mora. Bar nije u startu promašeno kao sr.

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« Reply #264 on: 02-01-2014, 04:51:46 »
Lovecraftian School Board Member Wants Madness Added To Curriculum
 
ARKHAM, MA—Arguing that students should return to the fundamentals taught in the Pnakotic Manuscripts and the Necronomicon in order to develop the skills they need to be driven to the very edge of sanity, Arkham school board member Charles West continued to advance his pro-madness agenda at the district's monthly meeting Tuesday.
"Fools!" said West, his clenched fist striking the lectern before him. "We must prepare today's youth for a world whose terrors are etched upon ancient clay tablets recounting the fever-dreams of the other gods—not fill their heads with such trivia as math and English. Our graduates need to know about those who lie beneath the earth, waiting until the stars align so they can return to their rightful place as our masters and wage war against the Elder Things and the shoggoths!"
The controversial school board member reportedly interrupted a heated discussion about adding fresh fruit to school lunches in order to bring his motion to the table. With the aid of a flip chart, West laid out his six-point plan for increased madness, which included field trips to the medieval metaphysics department at Miskatonic University, instruction in the incantations of Yog-Sothoth, and a walkathon sponsored by local businesses to raise money for the freshman basketball program.
"Our schools are orderly, sanitary places where students dwell in blissful ignorance of the chaos that awaits," West said. "Should our facilities be repaired? No, they must be razed to the ground and rebuilt in the image of the Cyclopean dwellings of the Elder Gods, the very geometry of which will drive them to be possessed by visions of the realms beyond."
West has served on the school board since 1997, when he defeated 89-year-old incumbent Doris Pesce by promising to enforce dress codes and refer repeat disciplinary cases to the three-lobed burning eye. He has run unopposed ever since.
"Charles sure likes to bang on that madness drum," fellow school board member Danielle Kolker said. "I'm not totally sold on his plan to let gibbering, half-formed creatures dripping with ichor feed off the flesh and fear of our students. But he is always on time to help set up for our spaghetti suppers, and his bake sale goods are among the most popular."
"I must admit, he's very convincing," Kolker added.
West's previous failed proposals include requiring the high school band to perform the tuneless flute songs of the blind idiot god Azathoth and offering art students instruction in the carving of morbid and obscene fetishes from otherworldly media.
Several parents attending the meeting were not impressed by West's outburst.
"Last month, he wanted us to change the high school's motto from 'Many Kinds of Excellence' to 'Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn,'" PTA member Cathy Perry said. "I asked if it was Latin, and he said that it was the eldritch tongue of Shub- Niggurath, the Black Goat of the Woods with a Thousand Young. I don't know from eldritch tongues, but I'm not sure that's such a good idea."
"We already changed the name of the school from Abraham Lincoln High to Nyarlathotep Academy," Perry added. "What more does he want?"
Immediately before the vote on his motion, which was defeated eight to one, West gave his final remarks, arguing that the children are our future and that it's the school board's obligation to make sure they are fully versed in the unspeakable horrors still to come.
"In the information age, it is easier than ever to gather knowledge about things that should not be but nonetheless are, and such wisdom could prepare our students to be better citizens amid the ruins of sunken cities infested with swarms of ravenous, bloated rats," West said. "Also, I believe that birth control should not be distributed by the guidance counselor."
All of West's remaining proposals were tabled so the board could debate repairing the hole in the locker-room wall, as five students have disappeared in the adjacent skull-filled catacombs since the opening was discovered last week.
 
http://www.theonion.com/articles/lovecraftian-school-board-member-wants-madness-add,2672/
 

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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #265 on: 23-01-2014, 17:47:43 »
Da li neko čitao ovu studiju i ako jeste, da li je dobra?
http://www.amazon.com/Weird-Realism-Philosophy-Graham-Harman/dp/1780992521/ref=pd_cp_b_3

Ko ne bi da "baca novac", može knjigu skinuti sa scribd-a:
Weird Realism - Lovecraft and Philosophy

knjiga je vrlo zanimljiva.

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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #266 on: 23-01-2014, 17:52:49 »
hvala! proučićemo!

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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #267 on: 13-02-2014, 16:32:37 »

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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #268 on: 15-03-2014, 13:48:16 »
To Howard Phillips Lovecraft

Clark Ashton Smith



Lover of hills and fields and towns antique,
How hast thou wandered hence
On ways not found before,
Beyond the dawnward spires of Providence?
Hast thou gone forth to seek
Some older bourn than these—
Some Arkham of the prime and central wizardries?
Or, with familiar felidae,
Dost now some new and secret wood explore,
A little past the senses' farther wall—
Where spring and sunset charm the eternal path
From Earth to ether in dimensions nemoral?
Or has the Silver Key
Opened perchance for thee
Wonders and dreams and worlds ulterior?
Hast thou gone home to Ulthar or to Pnath?
Has the high king who reigns in dim Kadath
Called back his courtly, sage ambassador?
Or darkling Cthulhu sent
The sign which makes thee now a councilor
Within that foundered fortress of the deep
Where the Old Ones stir in sleep
Till mighty temblors shake their slumbering continent?

Lo! in this little interim of days
How far thy feet are sped
Upon the fabulous and mooted ways
Where walk the mythic dead!
For us the grief, for us the mystery. . . .
And yet thou art not gone
Nor given wholly unto dream and dust:
For, even upon
This lonely western hill of Averoigne
Thy flesh had never visited,
I meet some wise and sentient wraith of thee,
Some undeparting presence, gracious and august.
More luminous for thee the vernal grass,
More magically dark the Druid stone,
And in the mind thou art forever shown
As in a magic glass;
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« Reply #269 on: 16-03-2014, 13:42:59 »
nekoliko lepih lavkraftovskih vesti, najava i obznana

Lavkraft živi: u prozi, poeziji, stripu...



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« Reply #271 on: 10-08-2014, 13:11:10 »
IZVANREDAN text povodom IMBECILNE inicijative da se lavkraftov lik skloni sa statue za 'world fantasy award' i zameni tamo nekom za taj kontext irelevantnom crnkinjom - kao i povodom otrcanih tvrdnji da je HPL bio loš pisac, odnosno "a terrible wordsmith".

piso nik mamatas, za sve bobane i čobane ovog sveta:


Was H.P. Lovecraft a good writer?  


[Aug. 9th, 2014|11:18 pm]


There's a petition going around requesting that the World Fantasy Award change its prize from a bust of H.P. Lovecraft to one of Octavia Butler, and it is a ridiculous petition for several reasons. The one non-ridiculous reason is that H.P. Lovecraft's racism stains his legacy and upsets many people, as well it should. Back in 2011 I made an alternative suggestion of a chimera for the World Fantasy award's prize. With that out of the way, let's discuss the reasons the petition is ridiculous:
 
 1. Octavia Butler was not known as a fantasist, did not write fantasy for the most part, and did not primarily identify as a fantasist. The one big exception is Kindred, which she declared a "grim fantasy", even as critics have suggested that it is SF about genetics and evolutionary psychology. (An example.)
 
 2. She's a well-loved figure though, which means that there's a lot of enthusiasm for the petition right now. It also potentially makes a heavy brickbat for anyone who comes out against the petition. A few years ago, some people tried to rally HWA to get the Bram Stoker First Novel category named after Charles Grant...who had little to do with first novels other than having published one himself. (He did cultivate new authors via short stories.) When some objected to the name change, there were all sorts of quivering lips and lamentations that garsh too bad people don't care that Charlie is moldering in the ground, alone and forgotten snif snif... So, you were either in favor of the name change, or in favor of digging Grant up and shitting on his corpse, you meanie.
 
 Or, shorter: it is always a bad idea to make a person into a prize, since the prize is then tied to the reputation of the person. (Sometimes prizes are designed to rehabilitate a reputation, a la the Nobel.) With writers, whose works are always up for reappraisal, this is especially fraught. The Lovecraft/World Fantasy issue is an example of that. Is Butler's reputation so fully bulletproof, forever? Don't count on it.
 
 3. The petition also claims that Lovecraft was "a terrible wordsmith." Wrong. Lovecraft was a superior writer. As I put it on Twitter, "he had a pretty clear aesthetic and used polyphony well to build authority for the ineffable." Generally, complaints about Lovecraft's writing boils down to "He said 'squamous' and I had to look that up." Petitioner Daniel José Older previously said of another word associated with Lovecraft, cyclopean: "What image are we to take from this? Buildings with a single window at the top? Buildings built by one-eyed giants? It means nothing to me visually, yet it’s clearly one of Lovecraft’s favorite adjectives." Yes, well, look it up. Cyclopean means gigantic and uneven and rough-hewn. Cyclopean masonry is a term of art in archeology. Lovecraft was actually a skilled wordsmith, and chose very specific language. Older himself notes that Lovecraft used "collage of firsthand documents and local lore told with thick, regional accents." Lovecraft wasn't a one-note bleater of ten-dollar words; he used the lingo his various characters would have. And as such, he could be
 
 whimsical: Non-Euclidean calculus and quantum physics are enough to stretch any brain, and when one mixes them with folklore, and tries to trace a strange background of multi-dimensional reality behind the ghoulish hints of the Gothic tales and the wild whispers of the chimney-corner, one can hardly expect to be wholly free from mental tension. ("Dreams in the Witch House")
 
 understated: Thaddeus went mad in September after a visit to the well. He had gone with a pail and had come back empty-handed, shrieking and waving his arms, and sometimes lapsing into an inane titter or a whisper about "the moving colours down there." Two in one family was pretty bad, but Nahum was very brave about it. ("The Colour Out of Space")
 
 baroque: I shall plan my cousin's escape from that Canton mad-house, and together we shall go to marvel-shadowed Innsmouth. We shall swim out to that brooding reef in the sea and dive down through black abysses to Cyclopean and many-columned Y'ha-nthlei, and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory for ever. ("The Shadow Over Innsmouth")
 
 self-reflexively ironical: My tale had been called “The Attic Window”, and appeared in the January, 1922, issue of Whispers. In a good many places, especially the South and the Pacific coast, they took the magazines off the stands at the complaints of silly milksops; but New England didn’t get the thrill and merely shrugged its shoulders at my extravagance. ("The Unnameable")
 
 parodic: Later traded to Jacques Caboche, another settler, it [the skull of a Roman named "Ibid"—NK] was in 1850 lost in a game of chess or poker to a newcomer named Hans Zimmerman; being used by him as a beer-stein until one day, under the spell of its contents, he suffered it to roll from his front stoop to the prairie path before his home—where, falling into the burrow of a prairie-dog, it passed beyond his power of discovery or recovery upon his awaking. ("Ibid")
 
 hysteric: The space-time globule which we recognize as the totality of all cosmic entity is only an atom in the genuine infinity which is theirs. And as much of this infinity as any human brain can hold is eventually to be opened up to me, as it has been to not more than fifty other men since the human race has existed. ("The Whisperer in Darkness")
 
 straightforward: The train service to Brattleboro is not bad - you can get a timetable in Boston. Take the B. & M. to Greenfield, and then change for the brief remainder of the way. I suggest your taking the convenient 4:10 P.M. - standard-from Boston. This gets into Greenfield at 7:35, and at 9:19 a train leaves there which reaches Brattleboro at 10:01. That is weekdays. Let me know the date and I’ll have my car on hand at the station. ("The Whisperer in Darkness", from the same Akeley letter, composed by aliens as a trap, as above. The implied story point in shifting from hysteric to straightforward is obvious.)
 
 We could go on picking sentences and paragraphs indefinitely, but let's not. We should also look at pacing. One might say that a Lovecraft story stays afloat by way of masterful deployment of eerie details. That would be a quote from Older again, who apparently thinks what...that Lovecraft was a good writer when it came to pacing, but a terrible one when it came to words and sentences? And yet pacing is simply a matter of the speed with which one is compelled to read on. So we can't mean sentences, but just individual words—a wordsmith that creates a masterful pace out of bad word choices?
 
 It's really not that difficult. Why does "cyclopean" appear in, say, "The Shadow Over Innsmouth"? The narrator is a student and a declassed part of New England's elite. (He discovers that he's a descendent of the wealthy Obed Marsh.) He'd know the word and use it. Would the station agent in the same story use it? No, he'd say something like "Leaves the square - front of Hammond's Drug Store - at 10 a.m. and 7 p.m. unless they've changed lately. Looks like a terrible rattletrap - I've never been on it." And he does. Lovecraft's narrators are often intellectuals—is it really a surprise that Peaslee, a professor of political economy, narrates "The Shadow Out of Time" like so:
 
 This is a highly important fact in view of the shadow which fell so suddenly upon me from outside sources. It may be that centuries of dark brooding had given to crumbling, whisper-haunted Arkham a peculiar vulnerability as regards such shadows—though even this seems doubtful in the light of those other cases which I later came to study. But the chief point is that my own ancestry and background are altogether normal. What came, came from somewhere else—where, I even now hesitate to assert in plain words.
 
 Let's compare it to the rhetoric of an actual political economist:
 
 On this sandy and false foundation we scheme for social improvement and dress our political platforms, pursue our animosities and particular ambitions, and feel ourselves with enough margin in hand to foster, not assuage, civil conflict in the European family. Moved by insane delusion and reckless self-regard, the German people overturned the foundations on which we all lived and built. But the spokesmen of the French and British peoples have run the risk of completing the ruin, which Germany began, by a Peace which, if it is carried into effect, must impair yet further, when it might have restored, the delicate, complicated organization, already shaken and broken by war, through which alone the European peoples can employ themselves and live.
 
 That's Keynes, btw, in the introduction to The Economic Consequences of the Peace from 1919. Similar sentence structures, similar free use of figurative language, and a sense of holding court even in the preliminary throat-clearings before a case is being set out. Switch Keynes for a Yithian for a few years, and he'd come back nervous and drooling and sounds even more like Peaslee than he already does.
 
 Of course Lovecraft's prose is not perfect, and is not beyond criticism. But if there are aspects to wordsmithing that go beyond matching prose to character; the ability to strike several different tones and moods both within and between stories; and pacing that keeps a reader riveted to the page and suspending disbelief despite unrealistic, phantasmagorical, and occasionally gruesome descriptions, they are minor aspects. It's perfectly acceptable to object to Lovecraft's themes, which are often explicitly or implicitly racist and xenophobic (and inseparable from the text), but that's not the same as claiming that he's a bad writer or a terrible wordsmith. It's also perfectly acceptable to complain that most of his narrators just have some horrible experience, or hear about one from the past after coming across traces of a supernatural reality, and then go crazy. But that's not about being a "wordsmith" either.
 
 When you don't know the meaning of a word, look it up. It was good advice in third grade, it is good advice now.
 
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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #272 on: 10-08-2014, 13:29:38 »
Mnjah. Cela stvar je pomalo ironična zato što je Džo Hil autor trenutno možda najbolje lavkraftijanske storije (Locke & Key). Na stranu to što ja nisam oduševljen njegovim stilom (nikada mi nije godio taj kvaziviktorijanski izraz), ne može se dovoditi u sumnju Lavkraftov značaj za razvoj žanrovske fantastike. Štaviše, mislim da je Lavkraft značajniji kao nadahnuće potonjim generacijama (kao što je I Hauard, Vens i zilion drugih pisaca) nego kao autor sam za sebe.

E sad, to što je bio kreten ne umanjuje njegov značaj za razvoj žanra. Pristalica sam razdvajanja umetničke vrednosti ili uticaja dela nekog umetnika od njegovih političkih ili bilo kakvih drugih stavova. U suprotnom, šta da mislim o Simonsu ili Pračetu - koji su se zalagali za bombardovanje Srbije (doduše, iz različitih razloga)?

Sa treće strane, Hil je sjajan pisac i jedan od retkih aktuelnih autora koji se drži klasičnog horora i u načelu izbegava prelazak u (komercijalniju) urbanu fantastiku.
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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #273 on: 10-08-2014, 13:41:33 »
hill je dobar "wordsmith" ali ne mnogo više od toga.

znači, ima tehniku, 'pismen je', što bi rekli neki ovdašnji, zna da ispriča priču - a da li je i koliko je ta priča uopšte vredna pričanja, da li i koliko REZONIRA tako da se upamti, da traje, da proizvodi UTICAJE I INSPIRACIJU... e, to je pitanje.

inače, o lavkraftovom stilu naširoko sam pisao u svom doktoratu, pa ćete o tome moći da čitate već za oko 2 meseca u POETICI HORORA...

naravno da je on daleko važniji kao pisac - svojim sopstvenim opusom - nego po uticaju, jer niko od tih na koje je direktno uticao nije mu prišao ni blizu (izuzev ligotija, ali tu se ne radi o uticaju koliko o poklapanju).

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« Reply #274 on: 10-08-2014, 14:35:40 »
Jebiga, ne slažem se.

Hil je još mlad pisac da bi na nekoga uticao ili ne, a tvom doktoratu svaka čast - ali ja svoj stav zasnivam na utisku koji sam stekao čitajući Lavkraftova pisanija. Priznajem, Ligotija nisam čitao, niti me nešto privlači da ga čitam, tako da u te vode ne bih zalazio.
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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #275 on: 10-08-2014, 15:10:34 »
pa dobro, tvom stavu i utiscima svaka čast, ali ovo što kažem nije zasnovano samo na utiscima nego i na dubinskom izučavanju, tako da, eto, slobodno se ne slaži - nije obavezno.

a ligotija slobodno zaobiđi - on je totalni antipod onome što inače čitaš; sigurno bi te smorio.
a i nezgodan je za skimming through - ono, dve stranice u minutu ili kako već to ide kod tebe.

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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #276 on: 10-08-2014, 16:35:46 »
Vidim, udario PMS.

Zaobiđi me sa tim tvojim manirom komunikacije, leba ti. Em nisam raspoložen za flejm vorove, em me boli karanfil i za Lavkrafta i za Ligotija - a na kraju krajeva i za tvoje izučavanje i tvoj doktorat. Ako nećeš da imaš sagovornika, ne moraš.

Odo ja sad da malo skimujem.
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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #277 on: 10-08-2014, 17:07:55 »
me boli karanfil i za Lavkrafta i za Ligotija

koj se đavo onda oglašavaš na ovoj temi osim da nešto gunđaš?
pms?
bolje skimuj nešto što ti leži.

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« Reply #278 on: 10-08-2014, 17:20:00 »
Oglasio sam zbog WFA. Do toga mi je u nekoj bezmalo beskrajno maloj meri stalo. Ja pms rešavam slatkišima, kao svaka normalna žena, kojoj nisu usahli jajnici.
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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #279 on: 11-08-2014, 10:20:25 »
IZVANREDAN text povodom IMBECILNE inicijative da se lavkraftov lik skloni sa statue za 'world fantasy award'


Eh, da, tuga i jad... i dobar je tu Mamatas, a i iz samog tona se jasno da naslutiti koliko je teško razumnim ljudima kad se oko njih uskovitla nerazumlje. Inače, meni je ta afera zapečaćena još kad je Okorafor dobila nagradu, mislim da smo to i komentirali tu po forumu, i baš se fino moglo razabrati kud to vodi & odvodi neumna tiranija političke korektnosti, jer čim je najavljeno da je Nnedi pobednik odmah su počela manipulativna pitanja, tipa dal će statuetu da skriva po ormarima ili javno pokazuje. A najgore od svega, Nnedi je veoma veoma inteligentna i obrazovana žena, ali eto, tu na scenu stupa ono što je Kiš nazvao “pečatom rase i prokletstva”, pa se Nnedi osetila pozvanom da šampionira i neke vanžanrovske stvari. I nema u tome ničeg lošeg, naravno i naprotiv, samo da su okolnosti zdravorazumskije, ali eto, nisu…. Uostalom, čak i Mark Tven suočava istu sudbinu od ruku zealot revizionista, i to nam je to, glas nerazuma uglavnom dernjavom nadjača glas razuma, to je sad već postalo pravilo.

A ja inače jako jako poštujem Oktaviju Batler, pa se nadam da bar nju neće u sve to posthumno upetljati, ne samo zato što opusom i ne pripada bilo kakvom frontovanju te konkretno grane fanstastike, nego i zato što je stvarno ponižavajuće da se zatekne u centru jedne tako bezumne afere.  :(

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« Reply #280 on: 11-08-2014, 12:27:04 »
ne pričaj sa njim, nabodiga!!! 8-)

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« Reply #281 on: 15-10-2014, 10:51:42 »
a evo i jos jedna sumarizacija, da ne bude kako je o ovome vec sve receno...
http://www.theawl.com/2014/09/where-should-we-bury-the-dead-racist-literary-giants

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Where Should We Bury the Dead Racist Literary Giants?


H.P. Lovecraft is widely acclaimed as one of the great masters of horror. He created the Cthulhu mythos, a pantheon of hideous eldritch deities lurking outside of time that occasionally peep through into our reality to wreak havoc and drive men mad, is credited with inventing weird fantasy; and was a major influence on everyone from Stephen King to Alan Moore. He was also, like many authors of the early twentieth century, really racist.

In a famous letter from a stay in Brooklyn during the nineteen twenties, Lovecraft described the ethnic diversity around him in the same language he used to describe nightmare horrors:


"The organic things inhabiting that awful cesspool could not by any stretch of the imagination be call'd human. They were monstrous and nebulous adumbrations of the pithecanthropoid and amoebal; vaguely moulded from some stinking viscous slime of the earth's corruption, and slithering and oozing in and on the filthy streets or in and out of windows and doorways in a fashion suggestive of nothing but infesting worms or deep-sea unnamabilities."

Lovecraft isn't talking about monsters or demons there; he's referring to non-white people, whom he sees as "infesting worms" "pithecanthropoid and amoebal." He expresses similar sentiments in the poem below, which doesn't seem to have been published, but which he apparently sent to friends:


On the Creation of Niggers (1912)

When, long ago, the gods created Earth
 In Jove's fair image Man was shaped at birth.
 The beasts for lesser parts were next designed;
 Yet were they too remote from humankind.
 To fill the gap, and join the rest to Man,
 Th'Olympian host conceiv'd a clever plan.
 A beast they wrought, in semi-human figure,
 Filled it with vice, and called the thing a Nigger.

These less public works aren't outliers in Lovecraft's oeuvre. As Phenderson Djeli Clark wrote at Racialicious, "Lovecraft's racial biases ran deep and strong, as evidenced by his stories—from exotic locales with tropic natives lacerating themselves before mad gods in acts of 'negro fetishism' (Call of Cthulhu), to descriptions of a black man as 'gorilla-like' and one of the world's 'many ugly things' (Herbert West — Re-animator)." This presents Lovecraft's enthusiasts with a dilemma. How do you love a writer whose works are thoroughly infested with racism?

In a post that provoked some controversy earlier this year, Daniel José Older argued that the best thing to do with Lovecraft was to de-canonize him—implicitly relegating him to the same sort of backwater reserved for such works of racist pulp as Thomas Dixon's contemporary, and mostly forgotten The Clansman. For Older, Lovecraft's racism is central to his themes and his horror; his vision of hapless New Englanders besieged by degenerate chthonic monsters is insistently racialized, and the terror of the non-human in his work is inseparable from the eugenic disgust at the less-than-human.

Earlier this year, Older created a petition to get rid of the Lovecraft bust that is given to winners of the World Fantasy Award, one of the major awards given to authors of speculative fiction, along with the Hugo and the Nebula. Older suggests that the bust could be replaced with one of the widely respected science-fiction and fantasy author Octavia Butler, who is known for her thoughtful approach to issues of race and gender in stories like"Bloodchild" and the novel Kindred. Among the supporters of his petition are the acclaimed sci-fi/fantasy writer Nnedi Okorafor, who won the award in 2011 (and wrote about how upsetting it was to have Lovecraft glowering from her shelf), and previous nominees Kat Howard and N.K. Jemison.

Unsurprisingly, Lovecraft enthusiasts don't support the idea that his work should be cast into the howling darkness. In August, S. T. Joshi, probably the world's leading Lovecraft scholar, bristled at the suggestion that Lovecraft's racism should disqualify him from reverence. According to Joshi, only five Lovecraft stories have racism "as their central core." Besides, he argues, it is "a tad risky to judge figures of past historical epochs by the standards of our own perfect moral, political, and spiritual enlightenment."

But Lovecraft's racism isn't some sort of quaint relic that can easily be bracketed off from his writing as a whole; it's the engine for the loathing and nameless dread that are his trademark. Perhaps the best example is one of Lovecraft's greatest novellas, "The Shadow Over Innsmouth" from 1936. In the story, the unnamed narrator is touring New England to view unusual architecture when he happens upon Innsmouth, a coastal town with a bad reputation. When he approaches one of the residents of a nearby town to find out why everyone hates Innsmouth, he learns that the inhabitants of the cursed village have been mating with South Sea Islanders. According to the local source, "the real thing behind the way folks feel is simply race prejudice—and I don't say I'm blaming those that hold it."

Lovecraft makes it clear that the "race prejudice" is justified, and that people are right to recoil at miscegenation in Innsmouth: The islanders are not just from out of town, they are amphibious creatures—the spawn of strange and evil gods. As the result of their interbreeding, the residents take on a fish-like appearance which is referred to in the story as the "Innsmouth look."


His oddities certainly did not look Asiatic, Polynesian, Levantine or negroid, yet I could see why the people found him alien. I myself would have thought of biological degeneration rather than alienage.

Lovecraft, through the narrator, disavows the various racial groups in order to subsume them all into a single "alien" Other—and then link it to degeneration and animality. The residents of Innsmouth are foreign, which is expressed not through residence in a different place, but rather through their blank, oozing orginlessness; they are an indistinguishable mass of subhuman monstrosity. Later in the story, when the narrator flees in desperation, with the Innsmouth hordes at his heels, he catches a nightmarish glimpse of his pursuers:


I could see them plainly only a block away — and was horrified by the bestial abnormality of their faces and the doglike sub-humanness of their crouching gait. One man moved in a positively simian way, with long arms frequently touching the ground; while another figure—robed and tiaraed—seemed to progress in an almost hopping fashion….they passed on across the moonlit space without varying their course —meanwhile croaking and jabbering in more hateful guttural patois I could not identify.

The "hateful guttural patois" is unidentifiable; the world outside of the United States—or New England?—is a confusing, loathsome monstrosity. Non-white people don't exist as humans, but as symbols, or markers, of a grinding fear lodged in the white hindbrain—a fear that somewhere, out there, someone else exists. Lovecraft's timid protagonists, forever striving to not name the nameless terror before them for fear of going mad, are pitifully neutered expressions of genetically validated white manhood whose fear and weakness inevitably turns into a familiar orgy of violence: After the narrator escapes from Innsmouth he notifies the authorities, who come into town and exterminate everyone.

The story famously ends with the hero discovering that he has Innsmouth blood in his own genealogical tree. At first, horrified, he plans to kill himself, but then slowly begins to like the idea of becoming a fish monster. "I feel queerly drawn toward the unknown sea-depths instead of fearing them." The narrator determines to rescue his similarly Innsmouth-changed cousin, and the story concludes with one of the most beautifully written paragraphs Lovecraft ever penned:


I shall plan my cousin's escape from that Canton mad-house, and together we shall go to marvel-shadowed Innsmouth. We shall swim out to that brooding reef in the sea and dive down through black abysses to Cyclopean and many-columned Y'ha-nthlei, and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory for ever.

The narrator, and by extension, Lovecraft, become the racial degenerate monster, and the experience is ecstatic, religious, sensual; racism turns into fetishization. It's as if John Calhoun woke up one morning and suddenly found himself transformed into Gauguin, or Eric Clapton. Lovecraft's repulsive non-white world is a threat. But it's also an opportunity; a dream that, someway, by some nameless horror, he can himself be debased.

Reading "A Shadow Over Innsmouth," it's clear that Older is right; Lovecraft's racism is absolutely central to his work. His monsters are racist fever dreams; his terror of degeneration is eugenic; the disgusted desire for the loathsome thing that concludes "Innsmouth" is the disgusted desire of Orientalism. Given that, WFA should find a different bust for their award.

At the same time, focusing on race in Lovecraft can also lead to a greater appreciation of his work, and a better understanding of its horror. Joshi may think he's protecting Lovecraft's legacy by minimizing the role of race in his stories, but the truth is that, to the extent that Lovecraft is still meaningful, it's in large part because of his portrait of his own racism. Lovecraft isn't a great artist despite being a racist, as Joshi would have it. Nor is he a lousy artist because he's a racist, as Older says. He's a great artist and he's a racist: Lovecraft's world is one in which racism poisons everything, in which the fear of anyone who isn't white is so overwhelming that it fills the seas and the skies and everything in between with gibbering demons and cosmic despair. The bleak, clotted hatred with which he renders that world is precisely what makes his work valuable.


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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #282 on: 07-12-2014, 11:13:03 »
prikaz odlične knjige
I Am Providence: The Life and Times of H. P. Lovecraft - S.T. Joshi



http://cultofghoul.blogspot.com/2014/12/i-am-providence-life-and-times-of-h-p.html

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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #283 on: 09-12-2014, 15:18:31 »
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IZVANREDAN text povodom IMBECILNE inicijative da se lavkraftov lik skloni sa statue za 'world fantasy award' i zameni tamo nekom za taj kontext irelevantnom crnkinjom - kao i povodom otrcanih tvrdnji da je HPL bio loš pisac, odnosno "a terrible wordsmith".


S obzirom na VELIKANOVE ideje o khm... rasnoj hijerarhiji ne bih rekao da je irelevantno (odnosno ona mozda personalno i jeste) nego je pre zrtvovanje na oltaru politicke korektnosti  xuss
Zajedno sa cinjenicom da je dobar deo prateceg teksta precrtan - eto materijala za novu pricu o (teoriji) antilavkraftovske zavere  xnerd

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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #284 on: 09-12-2014, 15:52:25 »
Stavljanje Lavkrafta na WFA je posledica želje dodeljivača nagrade da ne plaća autoru što koristi njegov lik; pa su imali vrlo malo izbora.
Inače i meni je potpuno besmisleno da on tamo cvrči.
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« Reply #285 on: 09-12-2014, 16:21:23 »
Meni je glupo što se nagrada koja se zove World Fantasy Award dodeljuje u vidu biste nekog pisca, pa ma ko on bio. Ako želimo da odamo omaž Lavkraftovom delu, zašto nagrada ne bi bila statua Ktulua? To bi već bilo veoma kul i niko ne bi kukao.
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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #286 on: 09-12-2014, 16:38:44 »
a opet, kakve veze ima Lavkraft sa 99% pisaca nagrađenih sa WFA?
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« Reply #287 on: 09-12-2014, 16:39:40 »
Stavljanje Lavkrafta na WFA je posledica želje dodeljivača nagrade da ne plaća autoru što koristi njegov lik; pa su imali vrlo malo izbora.
Inače i meni je potpuno besmisleno da on tamo cvrči.

odluku su doneli neki viši nivoi koji tebe nisu ništa pitali, a ti ako nekad dobiješ tu nagradu (ha ha) - okreni je prema zidu, kao čajna majna mnjevil, ili odšrafi lavkrafta i sačuvaj samo postolje, kao ajkman.
ali pošto se to neće desiti, nemaš razloga da brineš.

btw. pitam se dal je zoća okrenuo svog lavkrafta ka zidu?  :idea: :evil:

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« Reply #288 on: 09-12-2014, 16:51:38 »
kaže da je baš ružan i neodgovarajući... fotka njegovog primerka krasi Znak sagite 13 - zadnju koricu.
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« Reply #289 on: 09-12-2014, 17:01:56 »
kaže da je baš ružan i neodgovarajući...

ne mogu opisati koliko mi je drago zbog toga.
volim što mu nije prijatno (zbog lavkrafta). :)
a i svakome drugome kome on smeta.

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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #290 on: 31-01-2015, 02:41:43 »
a evo i jos jedna sumarizacija, da ne bude kako je o ovome vec sve receno...
http://www.theawl.com/2014/09/where-should-we-bury-the-dead-racist-literary-giants

meni je glupo i bespredmetno da se uopšte bavim raspravljanjem ovih besmislica, ali vodeći hpl proučavalac, s.t. džoši, po prirodi stvari, našao je za shodno da odvrati na neke od najčešćih kretenskih podmetačina o hpl rasizmu, i evo ih - kopiranih sa njegovog bloga:

January 29, 2015 — Charles Baxter on Lovecraft—Again!

I was a bit surprised to see that a highly truncated version of my response to Charles Baxter’s article in the New York Review of Books has been published in the new issue of that paper (dated February 19, 2015). I had sent my response to the editors of NYRB and was told that only a 400-word letter could be published. (My full response was ten times that length.) I hastily prepared such a letter, but then never heard from the editors as to whether it would be published or not.

Adding to the bizarrerie, Mr. Baxter has appended a reply that addresses, not the letter as published in NYRB, but my full response! I am not particularly impressed by Mr. Baxter’s reply, which I will hereby subject to a sentence-by-sentence analysis:

“One would think, reading S. T. Joshi’s response to my book review, that I had attacked the object of a cult.” [If correcting the errors of a critic’s analysis of a given writer constitutes defending a cult writer, then Poe, Melville, Whitman, Bierce, Hemingway, Mencken, and dozens of other writers are all cult writers. All these writers have faced, during and after their lifetimes, malicious and error-riddled attacks exactly along the lines of Baxter’s screed on Lovecraft.]
“His lengthy letter never acknowledges that my review of Lovecraft’s stories was divided into two parts: the first containing my misgivings about the fiction, the second containing guarded praise.” [This is a deliberate mischaracterisation of Baxter’s article. In fact, the first part of it was a grotesque slander against Lovecraft the person (as one who was “a stranger to joy” and who was a “shut-in,” etc. etc.). And while I could have addressed some errors and distortions in the “guarded praise” in the second part of the article, that didn’t seem to me sufficiently important to discuss.]
“I am not surprised that Joshi, who has spent much of his life studying Lovecraft, was affronted by my review, but he doesn’t seem to understand the distinction between matters of fact and matters of judgment. Readers of Lovecraft can judge for themselves whether Lovecraft’s prose contains infelicities of style, along with misogyny and racism.” [Mr. Baxter stubbornly refused to acknowledge the numerous errors of “fact” that he made in his review; and many of his “judgments” on Lovecraft are based directly on those errors of fact.]
“Joshi’s argument against the stories’ misogyny is of the some-of-his-best-friends-were-women variety, a confusion of the work and the life.” [To call someone a “misogynist,” as Baxter did in his article, is to make a fairly clear personal comment—or attack—on a writer’s character, and it is false and disingenuous to claim that the assertion merely reflects an interpretation of the author’s literary work. In any event, I have clearly established that Baxter has misinterpreted key elements of the stories in finding a misogynist undercurrent where there is none.]
“As for Lovecraft’s racism, Joshi’s defense of Lovecraft’s views in his letter is astonishing in this day and age; he quotes, with apparent approval, Lovecraft’s suggestion of apartheid as a benevolent remedy.” [My whole argument, in discussing HPL’s racism, is that it is unfair and unwise to judge him based on the standards of “this day and age”—very few (including such known racists and anti-Semites as Jack London, T. S. Eliot, and Roald Dahl) would come away unscathed from such scrutiny. In any event, the “apartheid” that HPL recommended was one that a number of black leaders of his day (e.g., Marcus Garvey) had themselves advocated.]
“Joshi seems unable to grasp my argument that the racism is at the core of the stories’ horror of aliens.” [I can’t grasp this argument because it is nonsensical and belied by the plain facts of the case. It is a highly tortuous and prejudicial reading of Lovecraft’s stories to maintain that any of his extraterrestrial “gods” and monsters—with the exception of the Deep Ones in “The Shadow over Innsmouth”—are somehow meant as stand-ins for ethnic minorities. See more on this below.]
“I never denied that the stories have a disturbing power. What readers should certainly note, however, is that Joshi is territorial; while I grant him the right to his opinions, he does not grant me a right to mine.” [Now Baxter has descended to whining. It is the last, desperate ploy of persons losing a debate to plead that their opponents are trying to “silence” them. Baxter is free to say anything he wants on Lovecraft; but surely I am free to rebut his arguments and point out their errors and fallacies. No one is trying to abridge Baxter’s freedom of speech; but “freedom of speech” does not imply freedom from criticism. Baxter seems to think he can say anything he wants on Lovecraft and not face critical scrutiny—but that would be a denial of my freedom of speech, and of the speech of any others who don’t agree with him.]
Things get curiouser and curiouser. Another letter published in the NYRB issue is by one Mark Halpern. It addresses nothing in Baxter’s own article but attacks me for some perceived failings in my biography of Lovecraft—or, rather, one failing in particular, to wit: “Joshi must have been suffering from one of his rare moments of fatigue when it came to linking his subject’s attitude toward Jews and other sorts of non-Nordic immigrants to New York’s Lower East Side to the emotional source of Cthulhu and his like, because he writes not one word about the topic in his otherwise painfully detailed biography.” Well, lordy me! I confess to be guilty as charged—because there is little or no connection between Lovecraft’s racism and his creation of the “gods and monsters” in his fiction.

It is most curious how many recent critics (Charles Baxter, Laura Miller, and now Mr. Halpern) have put forth this view without providing the slighest evidence for it. Let us examine the physical properties of Lovecraft’s iconic creation, Cthulhu. When the narrator of “The Call of Cthulhu” first sees Wilcox’s bas-relief of the creature, he describes it as follows: “If I say that my somewhat extravagant imagination yielded simultaneous pictures of an octopus, a dragon, and a human caricature, I shall not be unfaithful to the spirit of the thing. A pulpy, tentacled head surmounted a grotesque and scaly body with rudimentary wings; but it was the general outline of the whole which made it most shockingly frightful.” Lovecraft’s description of the actual sight of Cthulhu by Johansen is deliberately vague, but we do have this: “The Thing of the idols, the green, sticky spawn of the stars, had awaked to claim his own.” Uh-oh—Cthulhu is green! Maybe this means that he is a stand-in for “people of colour”! If you believe that, there’s a bridge nearby that I’d like to sell you.

It is true that the Cthulhu cultists in Louisiana do symbolise Lovecraft’s disdain of certain types of foreigners: they were “men of a very low, mixed-blooded, and mentally aberrant type. Most were seamen, and a sprinkling of negroes and mulattoes, largely West Indians or Brava Portuguese from the Cape Verde Islands, gave a colouring of voodooism to the heterogeneous cult.” Well and good; but this whole passage (the second section of the story) is largely an elaborate “info dump” whereby we learn the basic properties of Cthulhu and his “spawn,” as recounted by “old Castro.” I don’t see that there is anything specifically anti-Semtiic in the passage above. Mr. Halpern (who predictably refers to Lovecraft’s “pathological anti-Semitism”) will be surprised to learn that Lovecraft repeatedly declared his belief that Jews in both America and Europe were in several ways culturally superior to Anglo-Saxons—something that could certainly not be said of the Cthulhu cultists in Louisiana.

How about Lovecraft’s other “gods and monsters”? Azathoth? He is described in one story as follows: “that shocking final peril which gibbers unmentionably outside the ordered universe, where no dreams reach; that last amorphous blight of nethermost confusion which blasphemes and bubbles at the centre of all infinity—the boundless daemon-sultan Azathoth, whose name no lips dare speak aloud, and who gnaws hungrily in inconceivable, unlighted chambers beyond time …” Any racist implications there, people?

Yog-Sothoth, maybe? We hear of him as “a congeries of iridescent globes.” There must be a racist implication there somewhere, but—Gawdelpme—I just don’t have the critical acumen to detect it.

Shub-Niggurath? Well, she is usually mentioned in the same breath as “The Black Goat of the Woods with a Thousand Young.” Omigod!—black goat! All right, that’s it: she must be a stand-in for HPL’s disdain for black women who breed a lot! What else is possible? Well, wait a minute…HPL does describe her elsewhere as “a kind of sophisticated Astarte,” so I guess we can presume that HPL was prejudiced against the ancient Mesopotamians.

Nyarlathotep also seems very promising. He is first described as having the bearing of a Pharaoh. OK, no question about it—this must reflect HPL’s prejudice against Arabs! But it seems that Nyarlathotep emerged “from the blackness of twenty-seven centuries”—meaning that he emerged about thirteen centuries before the birth of Mohammad. But didn’t HPL describe him as the “Black Man” in “The Dreams in the Witch House”? Oh, wait—that was the standard designation for the leader of a witch coven. And HPL states specifically that the Black Man in that story was devoid of negroid features.

How about the fungi from Yuggoth in “The Whisperer in Darkness”? Well, they’re described as “half-fungous, half-crustacean creatures from a planet identifiable as the remote and recently discovered Pluto”; so unless we assume that HPL had a prejudice against mushrooms or crabs, I don’t see any racist undercurrent here.

The Old Ones of At the Mountains of Madness? They are barrel-shaped creatures with starfish-heads and tentacles. Again I struggle to connect them with HPL’s racism. Anyway, aren’t they substantially superior to humans in intellect and many other qualities? What about those loathsome shoggoths? I suppose something could be made of the fact that they are immense, amorphous masses of black protoplasm …

The Great Race of “The Shadow out of Time”? They are huge, rugose, cone-shaped creatures who are also vastly superior to human beings, since they are virtually omniscient and have conquered time. Not much racism there, I fear.

I have repeatedly maintained that the only major story by Lovecraft based on racist presuppositions is “The Shadow over Innsmouth.” And (pace Mr. Halpern) I do in fact discuss this matter at length in my biography. Here is some of what I wrote there: “‘The Shadow over Innsmouth’ is…clearly a cautionary tale on the ill effects of miscegenation, or the sexual union of different races…It is, accordingly, difficult to deny a suggestion of racism running all through the story.” There is much more to this effect, but I trust that will do.

Our valiant critics have also failed to notice the several stories in which various unsavoury characters are unmistakably Caucasian. This applies particularly to the aristocratic Dutch-American family in “The Lurking Fear,” the wealthy Anglo-American family in “The Rats in the Walls,” and even the “decadent” inhabitants of Dunwich in “The Dunwich Horror.” The Dunwich denizens are clearly a racially homogeneous (white) clan of backwoods New England farmers; there seem to be no ethnic minorities there. If one didn’t know who wrote these stories, one could easily conclude that their author was prejudiced against white people!

The plain fact is that most of Lovecraft’s “gods and monsters” are meant to symbolise the immensity—both spatial and temporal—of a universe where human beings occupy a derisively insignificant place. Their titanic power and anomalous physical properties are metaphors for the inscrutability of a universe where things may be very different from the way they are here.

Those hostile critics seeking to maintain some intimate connection between Lovecraft’s racism and the creation of these alien entities will have to put forth more than mere assertions to make their case. In my mind, the evidence is overwhelmingly against them.

http://www.stjoshi.org/news.html

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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #291 on: 31-01-2015, 10:10:11 »
a evo i jos jedna sumarizacija, da ne bude kako je o ovome vec sve receno...
http://www.theawl.com/2014/09/where-should-we-bury-the-dead-racist-literary-giants

meni je glupo i bespredmetno da se uopšte bavim raspravljanjem ovih besmislica...


Ghoule, ne sumnjam da znaš koliko ja cenim tvoje mišljenje, pogotovo o ovim stvarima koje spadaju u domen kojim suvereno barataš, ali ipak, molila bih te da samo za sekundicu jednu dozvoliš sebi radikalnu, ali zaista radikalnu promenu perspektive: da za tu sekundu porazmisliš kako bi ti ceo ovaj koncept izgledao da si kojim slučajem rođen kao crnac.


a to jeste okolnost koja spada u onu sivu zonu nad kojom niko od nas nema nikakve urođene intelektualne ili moralne superiornosti, znaš... niko od nas nije birao niti je mogao da bira gde i od koga će se da rodi... :( 

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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #292 on: 31-01-2015, 10:14:12 »
kako bi ti ceo ovaj koncept izgledao da si kojim slučajem rođen kao crnac.

izgledao bi mi isto kao s. t. džošiju, gorecitiranom, koji se rodio - ovakav:



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« Reply #293 on: 31-01-2015, 10:20:46 »
ama... na njega jednoga ja imam trideset crnačkih imena koja tvrde suprotno...
fakt da on lako prelazi preko tih kontroverzi ne bi trebalo podizati na nivo norme...
ili misliš da jedan crnac može i treba da govori za sve crnce... ??

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« Reply #294 on: 31-01-2015, 10:23:05 »
strogo gledano, džoši nije crnac. on je (poreklom) indus.

ali ne zanima me da mu gledam u krštenicu niti u sliku: gledam i govorim samo o argumentima.
džošijevi su čvrsti kano klisurine i isto bi tako mirisali i da ih iznosi plavooki šveđanin, ili rus.
ovo što ti 'povređeni' crnci i drugi dušebrižnici spočitavaju nema skoro nikakve osnove u lavkraftovim PRIČAMA.

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« Reply #295 on: 31-01-2015, 10:34:17 »
strogo gledano, Džoši je inferiorno ljudsko biće, samo zato što nije belac.
Strogo gledano, a po istoj klasifikaciji, i svi sloveni su po difoltu inferiorna ljudska bića, jer nisu belci po genima nego samo po mimikriji, otud i mogu donekle da se švercuju...  :(






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« Reply #296 on: 31-01-2015, 10:57:31 »
da pojasnim: jednom kad "strogo gledaš", tačka gledišta postaje neobično važna.


ja imam tu (ne)sreću da mi je više puta u životu objašnjeno gde zapravo spadam: jednom, pri aplikaciji za državljanstvo, rečeno mi je da ne spadam u "belu" rasu, i to na upitniku koji je imao sledeće opcije: white, black, coloured, indian, chinese, other. To je 94te bio zvanični formular ne samo zemlje u kojoj živim, nego Commonwealtha. Pri aplikaciji mi je rečeno da nemam prava na tu konkretnu definiciju "white", bez obzira na očiglednu boju kože: rečeno mi je da sloveni, baš kao i sve latino rase, spadaju u "other".


Dakle, nije tu bog zna kako bitno kako ti vidiš i doživljavaš sebe.
alas.

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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #297 on: 31-01-2015, 12:10:03 »
da pojasnim: jednom kad "strogo gledaš", tačka gledišta postaje neobično važna.


ja imam tu (ne)sreću da mi je više puta u životu objašnjeno gde zapravo spadam: jednom, pri aplikaciji za državljanstvo, rečeno mi je da ne spadam u "belu" rasu, i to na upitniku koji je imao sledeće opcije: white, black, coloured, indian, chinese, other. To je 94te bio zvanični formular ne samo zemlje u kojoj živim, nego Commonwealtha. Pri aplikaciji mi je rečeno da nemam prava na tu konkretnu definiciju "white", bez obzira na očiglednu boju kože: rečeno mi je da sloveni, baš kao i sve latino rase, spadaju u "other".


Dakle, nije tu bog zna kako bitno kako ti vidiš i doživljavaš sebe.
alas.


Korisna informacija.

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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #298 on: 31-01-2015, 12:32:19 »
Zašto ti je korisna? za put vremeplovom do ondašnjeg Komonvelta?  :)


šalim se, naravno, ali ne zaboravi, danas su upravo oni prvaci u svim bogovetnim slobodama, to od gej braka i usvajanja dece pa do rasnog abolicionizma u najvrhunskijem mu dometu: tolerancija poput ovdašnje retko se gde može naći.


Cenu toga su plaćali obični, mali ljudi koji su vehemetno odbijali da ih se klasifikuje po upravo onom upitniku koji gore pominjem: ne ja, jer ja sam tad bila tek intelekt na nivou amebe, ali plaćali su je ponajviše ljudi koji su voljno prihvatali percepcije potlačenih, istovremeno odbijajući svoju privilegovanu, to od Gandija preko Madibe pa sve do Gordimer - bio je to maltene talas empatije kakvog danas očigledno više nema.


Ali ustranu te specifičnosti, poenta je da je upravo percepcija ta koja definiše i oblikuje čoveka: ignorisati percepciju našeg bližnjega čini nas nehumano autističnima, to u prozi i politici jednako.

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« Reply #299 on: 31-01-2015, 12:39:14 »
Po toj klasifikaciji, koja je razlika između black i coloured?


Jevreji, pretpostavljam, spadaju u other.


Gde spadaju Japanci i, recimo, Koreanci? U chinese ili other?


Ko uopšte spada u belce? Samo Englezi?
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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #300 on: 31-01-2015, 12:54:49 »
da, "coloured" je bila klasifikacija koja se najlakše da prevesti kao "rasni mešanac", pri čemu se podrazumevalo da je jedna od "mešanih" rasa belačka rasa, pa se otud i klasifikacija uspostavljala kao nivo malko iznad "čisto nižih rasa", to bilo koje jasno obojene rase,  poput crnačke, kineske ili indijske. 
i da, "other" klasifikacija je isprva uspostavljena primarno za jevreje, da bi eventualno eskalirala u klasifikaciju svih ne-anglosaksonskih rasa.
 

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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #301 on: 31-01-2015, 12:56:51 »
tako je i Hitler govorio da Sloveni nisu bijela rasa, u tome je fora

samo što je malo bljak neke južnoafričke kriterijume koristiti za ocjenjivanje Lavkrafta

mene baš briga je li bio rasista, ali čak i kad govorimo o aparthejdu Južna Afrika nije etalon, i prosto od početka nema objektivnih kriterijuma

Npr, postoje gotovo pozitivne ocjene getoiziranja Jevreja u 15. vijeku, i istoričari tvrde da je Crkva tako čak spasila Jevreje progona, maltretiranja, čak i težih stvari, jer neki agresivni rasisti nisu mogli da im naude. I onda čak slijedi pozitivna strana, da je poslije nekoliko generacija, realno bar vijek je prošao, počela blaga ali konstantna integracija, saradnja prvo tržišna pa onda i u drugim sferama, i da Jevreji preko geta dobijaju postepeni ulaz u ''bijelo'' društvo itd, itd

dakle, jopet, nacistički geto i južnoafrički aparthejd su samo JEDNA vrsta geta i aparthejda, i to da se baš ta vrsta pripisuje Lavkraftu vrlo je tendenciozno

što jopet ne znači da on nije rasista, samo što je onda i Tolkin to isto, kao što se ranije spominjalo na forumu

da ne pričamo o tome da gore nema nikakvog antropološkog upliva, da same antičke mitologije takođe mogu biti ''rasističke'', i ako Lavkraft prčka po Mesopotamiji i inima šta onda?

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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #302 on: 31-01-2015, 13:12:38 »
da, "coloured" je bila klasifikacija koja se najlakše da prevesti kao "rasni mešanac", pri čemu se podrazumevalo da je jedna od "mešanih" rasa belačka rasa, pa se otud i klasifikacija uspostavljala kao nivo malko iznad "čisto nižih rasa"

50 SHADES OF BLACK  8-)

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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #303 on: 31-01-2015, 15:40:05 »
svaki wasp je rasista po prostoj definiciji...
Put ćemo naći ili ćemo ga napraviti.

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« Reply #304 on: 31-01-2015, 17:58:20 »
svako je u duši pomalo rasista, ili barem etnocentrik, po prostoj definiciji... to je jedan od parametara za građenje identiteta, pa da bi znao šta jesi, moraš ujedno i da saznaš šta to nisi, tek da budeš nekoj višoj sili silno zahvalan zbog te slučajnosti.  :mrgreen:  no što se Lavkrafta tiče, sasvim je moguće da on zapravo i nije bio iskreni rasista, nego naprosto... eto, bio je slaba ličnost. Uostalom, koliko shvatam, žena mu je bila jevrejka, a pravi waspovac to nikada ne bi sebi dopustio, tako nešto je naprosto nepojamno za taj svetonazor. Ali u ovom slučaju to i nije toliko važno, važna je simbolika koja prevazilazi činjenice, ionako. I mada se ja intimno ne slažem sa tim reakcijama, ipak ne mogu a da ne primetim kako je tu sporna uglavnom statueta, a ne njegov opus, koji je svakako cenjen i od strane ljudi koji baš i nemaju sluha za njegove lične zablude i tako već to...

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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #305 on: 31-01-2015, 19:38:37 »
Noah Berlatsky... kakav idiot, nevjerovatno. U Color pronašao rasizam or whatever ? Holy Fuck.

Dušebrižnička Attention-Whore Đubrad - pošto nemaju ni znanja ni mašte, odlučuju da pišu ovakve gluposti, farsa i apologija mediokritetstva. Srećom za njih, PC-Plague Horda jedva čeka ovaj tip spama. Tapšu jedni druge po ramenu i ravnaju sve na nivo svoje gluposti. PC-Stoka bi istoriju da reformiše da može, najodvratniji oblik cenzure do sada.




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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #306 on: 31-01-2015, 19:58:47 »
"The plain fact is that most of Lovecraft’s “gods and monsters” are meant to symbolise the immensity—both spatial and temporal—of a universe where human beings occupy a derisively insignificant place. Their titanic power and anomalous physical properties are metaphors for the inscrutability of a universe where things may be very different from the way they are here."

Sve je čovjek rekao... U suštini, pokušavaju izbjeći zaključke - poentu onoga o čemu je HPL pisao, te sve svesti na nivo koji razumiju, koji mogu podnjeti - rasizam i druge ljudske socijalne trivijalnosti.
Retardirani pokušaj centralizacije, to samo njihov crawling antropocentrizam urliče. 

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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #307 on: 31-01-2015, 20:29:17 »
Ako je Lavkraft i bio rasista - a dojmim da je bio u nekoj meri, makar samo zato što u prostoru i vremenu u kojem je živeo nije mogao da ne bude - jeste daleko značajniji stvaralac od Oktavije Batler. U kontekstu nagrade koja se zove World Fantasy Award možda on nije najprikladniji da je predstavlja i možda bi bolji izbor bili Haurad ili Danseni. S druge strane, ta nagrade se ne zove "Lavkraftova nagrada", pa bi tako bilo jednako neodgovarajuće da bude predstavljena bistom nekog drugog pisca, pa bio on i Tolkin. No - Ktulu je zelene boje i svi ljudi su mu jednako beznačajni. Mnjenja sam da bi se Lavkraftu odala počast možda i veća nego što mu se ovom bistom odaje da WFA umesto njegovog lika nosi lik njegove najpoznatije kreacije (?). I niko se ne bi bunio protiv Ktulua. Problem rešen.
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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #308 on: 01-02-2015, 14:18:01 »

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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #309 on: 01-02-2015, 15:31:04 »
Ma to sa kasnijim tumačenjem nečijih stavova može biti vrlo sumnjivo.
Najbolji primer je Niče, humanista i osoba koja je prezirala svaku ljudsku podvojenost; zabeležene su njegove oštre reakcije protiv nacionalističkih ispada u Nemačkoj krajem XIX veka, a onda je, posle njegove smrti, njegova sestra praktično izopačila neke njegove stavove i pretvorila ga u uzdanicu nadolazećih Hitlerovaca.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elisabeth_F%C3%B6rster-Nietzsche
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« Reply #310 on: 01-02-2015, 15:56:30 »
ništa tu nije baš tako jednostavno, jer je bilo dovoljno Ničeanaca među nacistima i bez nje. Ali i ona i Osvald Špengler su preminuli maltene u prvih godinu dana Hitlerove vladavine, i mi ne znamo kako bi se oni ophodili prema kasnijim događajima, mada za Špenglera ima podataka da se brzo predomislio u vezi Hitlera, ali nije smio javno da progovori.

S druge strane, Hajdeger je kao Ničeanac postojano držao kukasti krst do kraja, i ne može se tvrditi da je Hajdeger tupson koji Ničea nije uopšte shvatio.

Nije baš dobro ni tvrditi da ''neizopačenog'' Ničea razumiju samo liberali, demokrate, humanisti i ljudskopravaši svih vrsta, kao da on nije njih i više prezirao od nacionalista.

a realno, Lavkraftova tematika jeste bliskija nazi paganizmu nego što mu je suprotstavljena, sad kao da tražimo dlaku u jajetu, pa dal je reko nigr ili nije, jel ovaj bog zelen i slično, to su sve sitnice, jer stoji ogroman slon u radnji, i zove se mitološko pisanije u vrlo problematičnom periodu white man's prošlosti.

prosto, povratak mitološkom u ranom XX vijeku je sam po sebi problematičan, dakle, formalno je sumnjiv, što Joši nije ni dotakao, držeći se samo analize sadržaja

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« Reply #311 on: 01-02-2015, 16:04:33 »
Нереално је говорити о тражењу длаке у јајету код човека који је написао On the Creation of Niggers, ствар је мање-више јасна, али опет и небитна. Лавкрафт је одраз свог времена и потпуно је погрешно гледати га кроз данашњу призму - то је као да се данас биркају великани из давне прошлости и гледа се ко је имао слуге, а ко робове. Па онда падне блаћење због робовласништва, што колико ког данас изгледало ван памети, у нека друга времена било је сасвим нормална ствар.

Уосталом, да пребацимо причу на домаћи терен, Борислав Борко Стефановић је са својим бендом "Генерација без будућности" имао песме "Да је Југ победио" (не мисле на Партизан), "Крст у пламену" (ох, да) и White Land (капирате ваљда) па му ништа није сметало да се и дан-данас успешно бави политиком и дуго буде у самом врху власти. Он чак и нема оправдање "давно прошлих времена".
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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #312 on: 01-02-2015, 16:32:16 »
ništa tu nije baš tako jednostavno, jer je bilo dovoljno Ničeanaca među nacistima i bez nje. Ali i ona i Osvald Špengler su preminuli maltene u prvih godinu dana Hitlerove vladavine, i mi ne znamo kako bi se oni ophodili prema kasnijim događajima, mada za Špenglera ima podataka da se brzo predomislio u vezi Hitlera, ali nije smio javno da progovori.

Bila je emisija o ovome na nekom History kanalu... Hitler nije izmislio nacizam kod Nemaca; taj pokret je silno jačao u zadnjim godinama XIX veka, a artikulisan i obeležen ikonografijom tek nakon Prvog svetskog rata. Niče je odbio da se pridruži nekim organizacijama ovog tipa, ali odmah po njegovoj smrti (umro je poslednje godine XIX veka) njegova sestra je počela da zloupotrebljava delove njegove doktrine.

A Lavkraft, okoreli beloljubac možda je u naletima griže savesti, na oltar paganskih bogova priložio nekoliko priča koje stvari tretiraju drugačije, čisto da bi maloispeglao savest. Mislim da on nije znao da beli čovek postoji tek 6000 do 8000 godina i da u vreme starih religija (pre potopa) belih ljudi uopšte nije bilo na planeti Zemlji.
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« Reply #313 on: 01-02-2015, 20:00:59 »
aman, ne može sestra da zloupotrebljava nešto što je u startu, samo po sebi, formulisalo ideju superiornosti i inferiornosti među ljudima

stvarno, nemojmo da zalazimo u zatupaste priče da je Niče o natčovjeku govorio samo u ''kulturalnom'' smislu, a ne u apsolutno nedemokratskoj dominaciji, uostalom, u društvu u kojem je i o ženama pričao samo u rasploditeljskom maniru

poenta je upravo suprotna, da uopšte nije čudno da je ''zloupotrijebljen'', ne može baš svako da bude ''zloupotrijebljen'', i ništa tu nije slučajno

što ne zloupotrebe Bertranda Rasela tako - jer ne može

isto važi i za Lavkrafta, em koketira sa mitologijom, a sem neopaganizma koji se diže tokom uspona nacionalizma i romantizma, čak i jungovski arhetipovi su analizirani kao desničarski, i to mnogo ranije nego što je nastao termin ''politički korektno''

poenta je da ne može ništa da se zloupotrebi što samo po sebi nema plodnu klicu za to

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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #314 on: 01-02-2015, 20:13:08 »
ok, voleo bih da pogledaš tu emisiju pa da pričamo dalje.
U pitanju je školski primer kako se izvrće istina.
Uostalom, Ničeova postavka da upravljanje i prosperitet treba poveriti inteligentnom i sposobnom delu čovečanstva je potpuno logična; Nacisti su to multiplikovali do neslućenih visina. A da sigurno ne valja suprotno od toga, imamo primer Srbije, samo se osvrni malo oko sebe...
Niče se zalagao za pozitivnu evoluciju, a to je jedino što ima smisla.
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« Reply #315 on: 01-02-2015, 20:47:45 »
Bobane, ajdvako, kad ti pročitaš Zaratustru i ne vidiš tu ništa sporno, onda ću ja da pogledam dokumentarac ;)

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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #316 on: 01-02-2015, 21:01:13 »
Ja sam Zaratustru čitao krajem sedamdesetih... to je bila omiljena knjiga moje generacije; prvi predlog imena za klub Lazar Komarčić je bio Zoroaster; pa je to posle Brkić uzeo za svoju ediciju. Nemoj da moram po stare dane da čitam literaturu za omladince.
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« Reply #317 on: 01-02-2015, 21:22:50 »
Zaratustra jeste ''sporna'' knjiga i uvek uzbuđuje duhove, kao i gotovo sve što je Niče pisao, ali ne znam šta ti pronalaziš u njoj.

Istorija veli (o tome imaš sačuvane podatke) da je Niče bio užasnit sestrinom udajom za tad poznatog antisemitu (i prevaranta, kako se pokazalo kasnije), nekog Ferstera, grubo je odbio mladoženjine pokušaje da ga uvuče u svoj krug.
Osim toga, tako često se s prezirom izražavao o ''nemačkom duhu'', tj. o vulgarnom predstavljanu tog duha, pa čak i o nekim finijim varijantama. Išao je čak do toga da tvrdi da je poreklom Poljak, dakle Sloven, dakle jedan od ''onih drugih'', ne baš belih...

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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #318 on: 01-02-2015, 21:29:59 »
ma Niče je bio nežna, povučena, pesnička duša i samo se igrao rečima... često samo igre radi.
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« Reply #319 on: 01-02-2015, 21:44:45 »
kimura, ne mora niko biti antisemita da bi bio sasvim dobar uzor za naciste, a Niče svakako jeste imao i spornih izjava o Jevrejima - link dolje - no ja govorim čisto o kastinskom društvu koje je propagirao, tako čvrsta hijerarhija nije nešto što je kod Ničea falsifikovala sestra


dakle, ja sam govorio o tome da Niče vrlo lako može biti zloupotrijebljen u nacističke svrhe, dok to neki Orvel jednostavno ne može. Ničea i dan danas čitaju svi radikali, i lijevi i desni, Orvela ne mogu čitati ekstremisti. Kako uopšte?



Ja sam Zaratustru čitao krajem sedamdesetih... to je bila omiljena knjiga moje generacije

i omiljena Hitlerova knjiga :wink:
toliko ju je doštampavao da ju je imao svaki njemački vojnik u ruksaku. Dakle, ne sestrine spise nego baš Zaratustru

tako da nije samo tvoja generacija iščitavala famozno dvosmislenog Ničea

no, to bar nešto objašnjava, naime, kako si ustrojio Sagitu, sa Bobanom Zaratustrom na vrh brda, koji ponekad siđe među raju da priča o razlici u dužini penisa između gorile i čovjeka! 8)

no, eo malo zanimljivosti o Ničeu, da ne oftopikujem više
http://www.friesian.com/nietzsch.htm

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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #320 on: 01-02-2015, 21:45:22 »
Jeste bio nežna pesnička duša, ali njegove igre rečima nisu samo igre i to ne zato što bi mogle da inspirišu naciste. Imali su oni i bez Ničea dovoljno kulturne i nekulturne inspiracije.

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« Reply #321 on: 01-02-2015, 21:55:33 »
Meni je omiljena Genealogija morala, ali ni ja neću više da oftopikujem.
Ukratko: sve možeš da zloupotrebiš, čak i Orvela. Ničeu je bilo strano PROPAGIRANJE ovakvog ili onakvog društva.

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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #322 on: 18-02-2015, 06:11:21 »
The following are the ten words, or root words, which occur most often in Lovecraft’s original writings:

Hideous – 260
Faint (ed/ing) – 189
Nameless – 157
Antiqu (e/arian) – 128
Singular (ly) – 115
Madness – 115
Abnormal – 94
Blasphem (y/ous) – 92
Accursed – 76
Loath (ing/some) – 71


odavde:
http://www.tor.com/blogs/2015/02/its-not-squamous-the-10-words-hp-lovecraft-used-most-often

mnogo detaljnije:
Wordcount for Lovecraft’s Favorite Words

http://arkhamarchivist.com/wordcount-lovecraft-favorite-words/

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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #323 on: 27-03-2015, 12:22:19 »
Detalj -

Sioran, bilješka o Lavkraftu (Cahiers) -

'Lovecraft writes a novel which is a recounting of a nightmare. In a letter to a friend he wonders if he has the right to be paid for a production of which he cannot entirely assume the responsibility...'


Iskreno, teško mi je zamisliti Siorana kako čita Lavkrafta, i pored toga što je bio jedna od najnačitaniji osoba dvadesetog vjeka on u svojim knjigama npr. rjetko kad pominje jednog Poa - piše samo o najbližim interesima i onome što ga usko zanima. To što je bio svjestan Lavkrafta potvrđuje opseg njegovog znanja i interesa bez ikakvih predrasuda, pored toga, to isto pokazuje koliko je Lavkraft bio eksponiran u francuskoj književnosti šezdeseti i sedamdeseti kad je ovaj unos zabilježen.

Sad, sasvim je moguće da je on to pročitao na engleskom  - ali to je ipak malo vjerovatno, koliko je Lavkrafta uopšte bilo prevedeno u francuskoj do prve polovine sedamdesetih, čak i pisma?

Sioran je uvjek preferirao lične bilješke, dnevike, ispovjesti, pisma - čak više od ostatka bibliografije, ako uzmemo u obzir kvalitetu i sadržaj Lavkraftovi pisma onda nije ni čudo da bi se to dopalo nekome poput Siorana.





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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #324 on: 30-04-2015, 12:43:30 »

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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #325 on: 30-04-2015, 16:58:45 »
jbg mogo si naučiti plivati
nisam ni ja znao do neke 19.
evo i danas nisam felps ali se održavam iznad površine

isto je i s vožnjom auta

mada nikad nije kasno
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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #326 on: 30-04-2015, 17:01:46 »
Eh....ici bici skvid.  :cry:

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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #327 on: 02-05-2015, 08:35:29 »
nego, kad smo već kod Lavkrafta, evo šta je on preporučivao od proze:




H.P. LOVECRAFT'S SELECTION OF BRITISH & IRISH HORROR [WITH LINKS]

Here are all the British and Irish authors recommended by H.P. Lovecraft in "Supernatural Horror in Literature" (especially from Section IX - "The Weird Tradition in the British Isles", but I've tried to pick out the key references from the rest as well).
All links go to free, legal online reading:
The Gods of Pegana by SimeE.F. Benson - "The Man Who Went Too Far", "The Face", Visible and Invisible (esp. "Negotiam Perambulans" and "The Horror-Horn")
Algernon Blackwood - "The Willows", "An Episode in a Lodging House", "The Listener", Incredible Adentures, John Silence, Jimbo, The Centaur
Gerald Bliss - The Door of the Unreal
Emily Brontë - Wuthering Heights
Robert Browning - Childe Roland to the Dark Tower Came
John Buchan - Witch Wood, "The Green Wildebeest", "The Wind in the Portico", "Skule Skerry"
Lord Edward Bulwer-Lytton - Zanoni, A Strange Story
Walter de la Mare -  The Return, "Seaton's Aunt", "The Tree", "Out of the Deep", "A Recluse" "Mr. Kempe", "All-Hallows", The Listeners
Daniel Defoe - "A Relation of the Apparition of Mrs. Veal"
A.C. Doyle -  "The Captain of the Pole-Star", "Lot No. 249"
H.B. Drake - "The Shadowy Thing"
Lord Dunsany - The Book of Wonder, A Dreamer's Tales, The Gods of the Mountain, The Laughter of the Gods, The Queen's Enemies
Mrs. H.D. Everett - "The Death Mask"
E.M. Forster - The Celestial Omnibus (esp. "only one, dealing with a glimpse of Pan and his aura of fright, may be said to hold the true element of cosmic horror")
William Godwin - St Leon
Sir H Rider Haggard - She
L. P. Hartley - "A Visitor from Down Under"
Lafcadio Hearn - Fantastics, Kwaidan, translations of Gautier, Temptation of St. Anthony (from Flaubert)
William Hope Hodgson - The Boats of the Glen Carrig, The House on the Borderland, The Ghost Pirates, The Night Land, Carnacki, the Ghost-Finder
Clemence Housman - The Were-wolf
W.W. Jacobs - "The Monkey's Paw"
Henry James -  The Turn of the Screw
M.R. James - Ghost-Stories of an Antiquary, More Ghost Stories of an Antiquary, A Thin Ghost and Others, A Warning to the Curious, The Five Jars
Rudyard Kipling - "The Phantom Rickshaw", "The Finest Story in the World", "The Recrudescence [Return] of Imray", "The Mark of the Beast"
Matthew Gregory Lewis - The Monk
George MacDonald - Lilith
Arthur Machen - Chronicle of Clemendy, The Hill of Dreams, "The Great God Pan", "The White People", The Three Imposters, "The Red Hand", "The Shining Pyramid", The Terror, The Great Return, "The Bowmen"
Richard Marsh - The Beetle
Charles Robert Maturin - Melmoth the Wanderer
John Metcalfe -  The Smoking Leg (esp. "The Bad Lands")
Thomas Moore - The Epicurean
Thomas Preskett Prest - Varney, the Vampyre
Ann Radcliffe - The Castles of Athlin and Dunbayne, A Sicilian Romance, The Romance of the Forest, The Mysteries of Udolpho, The Italian, Gaston de Blondeville
Arthur Ransome - "The Elixir of Life"
Sir Walter Scott - Letters on Demonology and Witchcraft
Sax Rohmer - Brood of the Witch-Queen
Mary Shelley - Frankenstein, The Last Man
Matthew Phipps Shiel - "Xelucha", "The House of Sounds", The Purple Cloud
May Sinclair - Uncanny Stories
Robert Louis Stevenson - “Markheim”, “The Body-Snatcher”Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde
Bram Stoker - The Lair of the White Worm, The Jewel of Seven Stars, Dracula
H. R. Wakefield - They Return at Evening, Others Who Returned (esp. "The Red Lodge", "He Cometh and He Passeth By", "And He Shall Sing", "The Cairn", "Look Up There", "Blind Man's Buff" and "The Seventeenth Hole at Duncaster")
Horace Walpole - The Castle of Otranto
Hugh Walpole -  "Mrs. Lunt"
H.G. Wells - "The Ghost of Fear" [The Red Room], Thirty Strange Stories
Oscar Wilde - "certain of his exquisite fairy tales", Picture of Dorian Gray
Francis Brett Young - Cold Harbour
No specific work referenced:
 "A. E.," William Carleton, Padraic Colum, Joseph Conrad,  T. Crofton Croker, Lady Gregory, Douglas Hyde, James Stephens, J. M. Synge, Lady Wilde, W.B. Yeats

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« Reply #328 on: 10-07-2015, 05:42:32 »
kad sam bio u providensu pre 11 godina - tamo nije postojao nikakav modus exploatacije njihovog najslavnijeg i najkultnijeg ex-sugrađanina.
sad, sa ogromnim zakašnjenjem, neko se najzad setio...

There is now a store in Providence called Lovecraft! They have lots of books of course as well as t shirts, art work, statues, stickers, dvds, and the Historical Society's radio play cds. Lots of good stuff. It is located in The Arcade building in downtown Providence.



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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #329 on: 20-08-2015, 16:32:32 »

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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #330 on: 29-08-2015, 17:08:28 »


Govor koji je R.M.Price odrzao na otvaranju NC raspalio pc-budale. Izgleda da ce biti srecni tek kad HPL bude sveden na plisane igracke.

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« Reply #331 on: 15-09-2015, 15:16:17 »
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« Reply #332 on: 15-09-2015, 15:27:43 »
oho, insmut je ionako za žutaće by far najinspirativnija HPL-ova priča.
do sad su ga rabili japanci, baš me zanima da vidim šta će uraditi korejci...
ne znam da li je verovati imdb-u koji tvrdi da je ovo 'komedija' - trejler više vuče na horor, mada... ima potencijala i za jedno i za drugo.

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« Reply #333 on: 07-11-2015, 22:11:16 »
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Alan Moore - o Lavkraftu, Stripu Providence, Dvadesetom vijeku, SF-u...



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« Reply #334 on: 09-11-2015, 00:24:42 »
ono kad dobar pisac ali veliki HPL pljuvač, skot nikolaj, dobije hauija (world fantasy award) za kratku priču, i mora da taj popljuvani lik nosi kući i raduje mu se i meće ga na policu... hi hi hi... :-D

ali po poslednji put!

naime, od iduće godine više statua neće imati (karikirani) HPL lik već... nekog/nešto drugo.


ps: drago mi je barem što onaj smrdljivko vandrkmrk nije dobio hauija!
evo liste dobitnika:


http://www.tor.com/2015/11/08/announcing-the-2014-world-fantasy-winners-2/

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« Reply #335 on: 09-11-2015, 06:07:29 »
ono kad dobar pisac ali veliki HPL pljuvač, skot nikolaj, dobije hauija (world fantasy award) za kratku priču, i mora da taj popljuvani lik nosi kući i raduje mu se i meće ga na policu... hi hi hi... :-D


evo ga skot, idiot.





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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #336 on: 10-11-2015, 15:33:40 »
i dok debili reaguju ovako:


jedan od najuglednijih i najnagrađivanijih urednika u sferi horora, stiven džons, kaže ovo:

"I am inordinately proud of my three World Fantasy Awards. I am proud of the work and the body of work that I won them for. I am proud that they are a stylised representation of H.P. Lovecraft – one of the most influential and creative writers of imaginative fiction the genre has ever known. I am proud that they are nicknamed the “Howard” award after that other influential giant of fantasy literature, Robert E. Howard. And I am proud that they were designed and sculpted by Gahan Wilson, a founding member of the World Fantasy Convention and one of our most talented artists and authors in the field of the macabre. It is an honour to own and display these awards in my home. What I am not proud of is the World Fantasy Convention Board and their cowardly response to a small but vocal minority of people who have no sense of history or tradition. Censorship – in all its malicious and insidious forms – is always reprehensible. Let him (or her) who is without sin cast the first stone . . ."



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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #337 on: 10-11-2015, 16:29:12 »
Wow. Nevjerovatno, kakva stoka. I ti ljudi, kao, čitaju.

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World Fantasy Convention Board and their cowardly response to a small but vocal minority of people who have no sense of history or tradition.

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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #338 on: 10-11-2015, 16:32:02 »
hm, sad vec brinem za gula. gule izdrzi! dobar je lovecraft... :roll:
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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #339 on: 10-11-2015, 16:35:40 »
Tipovi iz South Park-a su makar jednu stvar dobro pogodili ove sezone - kada su pc majmune predstavili kao frat-bully sirovinu.

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LAVKRAFTOV RASIZAM i srodne kontroverze
« Reply #340 on: 12-11-2015, 07:55:23 »
evo, sažeo sam problematiku vezanu za lavkraftov rasizam i kontroverze oko WFA nagrade:

LAVKRAFTOV RASIZAM i srodne kontroverze




http://cultofghoul.blogspot.rs/2015/11/lavkraftov-rasizam-i-srodne-kontroverze.html

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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #341 on: 12-11-2015, 13:25:27 »
Rasizam u Americi je realan problem, ponovo aktuelizovan policijskom primenom sile i ubistvima mladih crnaca. Citam povremeno komentare konzervativnijih, tradicionalnih Amera o Obami, iza paravana 'socijalista, hitler, ovo ono' stoji rasizam jer imaju crnog predsednika, pa jos muslimanskog imena! Ali oni to nikad nece priznati.

Njihova perspektiva je nesto sto ni ti ni ja ne mozemo da dozivimo na pravi nacin, tek teorijski, i to nas cini nekompetentnim da o problemu rasizma i s cim se afro-amerikanci suocavaju diskutujemo na ravnoj nozi sa pripadnicima tog naroda.

Jeste, dizati halabuku i cenzorisati pisca zbog greha 'iz mladosti', je kratkovido, ali i on je bio kratkovid podlegavsi sitnim, mrziteljskim nagonima: 'zveri nize vrste, nigeri, mongoloidna jevrejska cudovista...' WTF.
Hocu reci, bez zalazenja u delo ovog pisca jer nisam verzirana, donekle razumem njihov bes, iako je, ko sto rekoh, dnevnopoliticki. Ali takve su bile i Lavkraftove izjave na temu 'nizih' rasa. Covek je, realno, bio rasista.

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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #342 on: 12-11-2015, 13:56:48 »
RA- RA- RASISTA
NEMOJ BITI TI
JERBO ĆU TE JA,
DRAGA, UBITI!

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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #343 on: 12-11-2015, 13:59:18 »
Ew qpuke

Ne zanemaruj tezinu aktuelnog politickog trenutka, Gule, ta perspektiva je trenutno najvaznija ovim ljudima. Znas, to je njihova realnost.

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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #344 on: 12-11-2015, 14:12:31 »
ne razumijem sta fali crncima? svi bi trebali imati bar jednog, ili? ono...
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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #345 on: 12-11-2015, 14:13:48 »
Hm... nisam htela da se javljam u ovoj temi, jer će Gul odmah da mi skoči za vrat ako kažem šta stvarno mislim o njegovom tekstu na blogu. But here it goes: Gule, ovo ti je gomila racionalizacija. Manje zlo, nije toliko loš, nije nikoga povredio, i drugi su bili rasisti (ultimativni argument racionalizacije).

Ja ne mislim da je Lavkraft bio dobar pisac. Imao je nešto posebno, a to su njegovi strahovi. Čovek ih je bio pun i pretočavao ih je u priče, ali ja ne mogu da ih doživim na način na koji ih je on doživeo i ne mogu da se uživim u njegovo pisanje. Uzmimo na primer taj rasizam. Jasno je da je imao rasističke stavove zbog strahova od nepoznatog. To se pogotovo vidi baš u tom događaju sa Sirijcem, koji si opisao u tekstu. Njega je nepoznato ugrožavalo.

A gle sad: imam iskustva sa rasizmom, tj. morala sam protiv njega da se borim u sebi u toku mog boravka u Dubaiju. Postoje toliko velike kulturološke i civilizacijske razlike među ljudima, da se jednostavno nameće zaljučak da ljudi iz nekih delova sveta imaju razvijenije one osobine koje se na Zapadu smatraju primitivnijim. Od sebičluka i gledanja samo svog dupeta, do gaženja nejakih da bi se stiglo do cilja, do silovanja, kažnjavanja devojčica, novcoljublja, koristoljublja itd. Imala sam prilike da vidim hiljade ljudi iz celog sveta, postrojavali su se preda mnom jedan po jedan svakog dana. Razlike postoje i čak mogu da se prenesu na opšti nivo, da se generalizuju (opet ne za sve, naravo, već za većinu). Indijci su sebični, okrenuti novcu i korupciji (bar oni što rade u Dubaiju, čula sam da postoje velike razlike između mentaliteta severnih i južnih Indijaca); Bangladešani su neobrazovani, nenaviknuti na civilizacijske tekovine, ne umeju da čekaju u redu (ali su simpatični, dobrodušni); Kinezi zbilja imaju mentalitet mrava (svuda idu u gomilama i nemaju pojma engleski, ali se drže zajedno), Japanci su disciplinovani i čekaju u redu, vaspitani, poštuju; Rusi su neotesana i glasna bagra itd. Naravno, sve se ove osobine pogrešno vezuju za boju kože. U pitanju je mentalitet. Indijci su to dobro primetili. Oni, u slučaju bilo kakve diskriminacije, koja može da potiče i od njihovog ponašanja, neobrazovanja i neprimerenog ponašanja, viču da su diskriminisani po boji kože, što, racionalno, nema smisla. No, boja kože obeležava ljude iz određenog dela sveta sa određenim mentalitetom, i zato se vezuje za mentalitet.

Tu mogu da razumem Lavkrafta. Čovek jednostavno nije mogao da pređe preko svega što je smatrao civilizovanim i da razume zašto neko živi u nehigijenskim uslovima, zašto neko poseže za krvnom osvetom itd. I toga što nije razumeo - on se plašio.

Smatram da je nagrada trebalo da zadrži ime i lik i da je odbrana trebalo da se bazira na priznanju da je Lavkraft imao rasističke stavove, ali ne i da je bio rasista. Ova dva pojma razlikuje aktivnost individue. Osoba koja samo ima ras. stavove je pasivna, ne čini ništa povodom njih. Rasista je osoba koja te stavove aktivno ispoljava i diskriminiše ljude. Lavkraft nije bio rasista. Uz nagradu bi trebalo da ide to priznanje i svest (te i blaga (?) osuda to aspekta Lavkraftove ličnosti) kako se neki pisci ne bi osećali ugroženima, jer, Dibuk je u pravu: SAD ne samo da se ne rešava rasizma, već on postaje sve rasprostranjeniji i izraženiji i nasilniji i to treba imati u vidu.

U ovom slučaju, zadržavanje lika i imena nagrade uz osudu rasizma mnogo bi više učinilo nego zabrana, jer kada je zabranjeno - o tome se više ne govori, ali raspiruje pritajenu mržnju kod onih koji su bili protiv zabrane. Kada se napravi kompromis, svi dobijaju - ugroženi priznanje rasizma (što im je bitno), a neugroženi ne razvijaju mržnju već svest o potrebi stavljanja rasizma u prave okvire.

I da, izraz "nebele" rase ti je rasistički, Gule, jer implicira da se prema beloj rasi određuju sve ostale, te je bela rasa, zato, superiorna.

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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #346 on: 12-11-2015, 14:43:24 »
Izgleda da je pripadnicima nebele rase vise stalo da pronadju rasisticki salveta-zapis nekog priznatog pisca ili umjetnika i da onda svu svoju paznju usmjere na to nego da se bore protiv sistematicne diskriminacije i rasizma - ili ih je upravo taj sistem sveo na to - proganjanje pojedinca mrtvog gotovo 80 godina.

Nekada su drugacije napadali HPL, od pulp-fiction hack pa do njegove patologije - srecne okolnosti koju je on pretvorio u knjizevno djelo. Naravno, to su gluposti idiota koji su sljepi za njegovu velicinu i univerzalnost, srecom ako pratite Providence, Alan Mur trenutno drzi lekciju o tome, ako vec niko drugi nece.

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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #347 on: 12-11-2015, 14:48:54 »
Pa, taj pojedinac je simbol. I njegov lik i delo su na nagradi koja se dodeljuje i pripadnicima drugih rasa. Malo jeste ironično.

No, moja smela tvrdnja je da Lavkraft nikada ne bi dostigao zvezde da nije imao rasističke stavove (i ostale neuroze i anksioznosti).

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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #348 on: 12-11-2015, 15:01:16 »
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No, moja smela tvrdnja je da Lavkraft nikada ne bi dostigao zvezde da nije imao rasističke stavove (i ostale neuroze i anksioznosti).
Na sta mislis? Da li:

a)isao niz dlaku politickoj klimi i stanju svesti tog vremena pa ga je to ucinilo prijemcivim?

b)mislis da je rasizam koji u korenu ima strah od nepoznatog-a koji se dalje pretvara u mrznju prema onome sto nas plasi produktivno stanje svesti? Mrznja nije kreativna niti produktivna..
One could argue da su neuroze i anksioznosti prilicno inhibitorne stvari, mada kod umetnika mogu da se konvertuju u nesto kreativno.

Cisto pretpostavljam, jer je to interesantna tvrdnja i volela bih da prosiris misao. :)

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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #349 on: 12-11-2015, 15:34:29 »
Interesantan skandal u svetu fantazije, o kome ja pojma nemam:D

No, pročitao sam tekst na blogu, i opet, slažem se da je u pitanju samo fašistički talas političke korektnosti. Nije u pitanju par liberala, mislim, već se decenijama u zapadnom (uslovno rečeno) svetu stvara određeni narativ, koji oblikuje  sistem vrednosti koji svi moramo prihvatiti, a koji će možda budućim generacijama delovati prirodno, kao organski deo njihovog karaktera. Ništa novo - ranije je pučina vaspitavana da veruje u boga i kralja koji je njegova senka na zemlji, danas nas uče da je pušenje loše i da ne smeš reći crncu da je crn. Nije to toliko ni strašno - takvi narativi se uvek nekako oblikuju u skladu sa slikom sveta koju (neko) želi prikazati.

I u Drugom svetskom ratu smo imali suprotstavljene sile koje su nemilosrdno gradile koncentracione logore - SAD, Sovjetski Savez, Treći Rajh, Britaniju (koja je, može se reći, u Burmi odnosno Mijanmaru i patentirala te logore smrti), pa čak i Jugoslaviju, ali samo su gubitnici tog rata prokaženi kao zlikovci. Pobednicima je to oprošteno. U pitanju je standardna hipokrizija i revidiranje istorije. Ali, to ne treba uzimati previše k srcu.

interesantno mi je bilo što si pomenuo i Selina, inače jednog od mojih omiljenih pisaca. Čovek jeste bio teški antisemita, to stoji, ali je takođe bio izvanredan pisac, cinično đubre i zagriženi mizantrop. Zato su mu knjige, a pre svega mislim na remek - delo "Putovanje nakraj noći", možda i najbolji spisateljski uradci na koje sam do sada naleteo.

Inače, ova tenzija oko Lavkrafta me podseća na jednu raspravu koju sam svojevremeno imao, oko Jovana Dučića - i on je bio težak rasista, klerofašista i više nego dogazani šovinista i ženomrzac, pa ga opet svi slavimo zbog literarnog talenta. Mi smo u osnovnoj školi, na kraju osmog razreda, ko je imao odličan uspeh, dobijali "Blago cara Radovana." Moja profesorka srpskog, inače feministkinja i borac za ženska prava, obožavala je knjigu, paradokslano, u kojoj se o ženama govori kao o lažljivicama, prevarantkinjama, kurvama i tako dalje. Moj omiljeni citat: "Neznanje ženino ide do gluposti. One nisu u stanju da sačekaju na odgovor na pitanje koje same postave. nemaju ni za što pravog interesa, a najmanje za umetnost. Sve žena uzima za zabavu, i sve meri po svojim nervima."

Elem, ovaj trend koji je izbacio Lavkraftovu bistu, samo je delić mnogo šire kampanje koja se godinama vodi u svetu, ne bi li se stvorio taj određeni trend... hm, političke korektnosti. Primera ima mnogo - ponekad sam na putovanjima provodio dosta vremena sa britancima i amerikancima, i sećam se kako su mi se jednom ameri izvinjavali zbog svoje britanske drugarice koja je jasno i glasno rekla da ne voli muslimanske došljake u Londonu. A meni je to bilo zabavno - ne jer imam nešto protiv muslimana i emigranata, već jer mi je uvek zabavno kada neko isrkeno kaže svoje mišljenje. Ta ista britanka je bila neuporedivo zabavnija od malih amerikanaca koji su se često brinuli da se ja nešto ne uvredim ako oni kažu šta loše o Srbiji... :D No, samo se ne treba nervirati, uvek se neka kampanja za menja nje javnog mnjenja sprovodi, pitanje je samo u kojoj meri dozvoljavamo da to utiče na nas. Fantazmagorci Amerike su očigledno dosta zastranili i podlegli tomw. Šteta za njih.




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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #350 on: 12-11-2015, 15:44:14 »
Ljudi, napolju je preko 20 stepeni i divan dan. Šta ćemo ovde?   :)

@Dybuk

I jedno i drugo. Tačnije, treba uzeti u obzir i činjenicu da tada politička korektnost, u današnjem smislu, nije postojala. Shodno tome i društvena klima je bila drugačija. Gledanje na svet i život u njemu je bilo drugačije. Ne možemo osobi koja je živela pre 100 godina da sudimo po današnjim kriterijumima i ovo što su uradili članovi ove organizacije je glupost i podilaženje gluposti. Zabrane dosad ništa dobro nisu donele, samo su raspirile mržnju. Ne razumem - kako to nije jasno?

Pretpostavljam da si čitala Lavkrafta, a ako nisi - on je kao sunce jasan. Neurotik i fobičar koji je svoje snove i fantazije, umišljanja i maštanja, prenosio na papir. Čak ne ni lepim književnim stilom (bar prevodi na srpski nisu takvi).

Nije mržnja, draga. Nije on mrzeo, inače bi bio aktivni rasista, aktivista, svako njegovo delo bilo bi protkano tom mržnjom. Strah. Lavkraft je bio kukavica, slabić.

Neuroze i anksioznosti su inhibitorne stvari u odnosu prema drugima i svetu. Tako i nastaju. Kada je čovek sam sa sobom, on to itetekako može da pretoči u umetnost.

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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #351 on: 12-11-2015, 15:54:59 »
Ne možemo osobi koja je živela pre 100 godina da sudimo po današnjim kriterijumima i ovo što su uradili članovi ove organizacije je glupost i podilaženje gluposti. Zabrane dosad ništa dobro nisu donele, samo su raspirile mržnju. Ne razumem - kako to nije jasno?



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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #352 on: 12-11-2015, 15:56:56 »
Naravno da je mrznja, D, to je logicna progresija straha. Kukavice, kao, ne mrze? Iiih, oni mrze ponajvise! Vidi ove white supremacists i huligane, safety in numbers inace se ne bi pomaljali na svetlo dana!

Inace da, slabo sam ga citala, stil pisanja mi nije legao, jako tesko, ali imam par knjiga sa proslog sajma pa cu uzeti opet da se rvem s tim. A imao je tu fizionomiju i slabićku facu, kad vec govorimo o stereotipima i predrasudama... :lol:

P.S. ja se ne slazem da samo zato sto nekom nije slomio glavu nisu ispunjeni kriterijumi da se nazove rasistom.

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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #353 on: 12-11-2015, 16:02:04 »
Forum je užasno spor i smara.

Nešto bih dodala:

Na početku mojih drugih studija, bio je neki profa koji je mislio da je mnogo pametan. On je na početku svog prvog predavanja postavio pitanje: "Šta je pokretač sveta"?

Naivni brucoši su, naravno, uglas vikali "Ljubav" (što je, u mom svetu, istina). A profa je trijumfalno i "znalački" odgovorio: "E, nije. Strah je pokretač planete". Naravno, nisam ušla u raspravu sa njim jer se slažem da je strah pokretač kod većine ljudi.

Tokom mog boravka u Dubaiju imala sam osnova da se, recimo, plašim silovanja. Žene su tamo silovane na regularnoj bazi, a zakon ih ne štiti, čak ih i osuđuje i zatvara u zatvore kada prijave silovanje. Silovali su mahom ljudi iz Indije, Pakistana, Bangladeša, pa i lokalci (ali namazanije, zaštićeni državom). Da nisam promislila celu situaciju, mogla sam da zaključim kako samo azijske rase siluju, da ih se plašim, da ih mrzim i da sve to pretočim u jedan fini rasistički stav da Indijcima ne treba verovati, da su oni silovatelji (pogotovo ako imamo u vidu napise iz Emiratskih novina, koji su danima brujali o brutalnim silovanjima i ubistvima devojčica u Indiji, kao tradiciji). Da sam postala rasista, postala bih i prijemičivija za takve priče. Doživljavala bih ih jačim intenzitetom, a u glavi bih mašatala, fantazirala o opasnim situacijama u kojima bih mogla da se nađem, da bih ih izbegla. Uočila bih svakog Indijca koji pored mene prođe, uočavala bih i nepostojeće gestove, veze. Konstruisala bih i nadograđivala. Bila bih opsesivna.

E, iz takvih opsesija i konstrukcija, prouzrokovanih strahom, nastale se Lavkraftove horor priče. Da nije imao rasističke stavove i sve to intenzivno doživljavao, ne bi imao ni šta da prenese na papir. To je moja teorija.

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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #354 on: 12-11-2015, 16:13:04 »
Naravno da je mrznja, D, to je logicna progresija straha. Kukavice, kao, ne mrze? Iiih, oni mrze ponajvise! Vidi ove white supremacists i huligane, safety in numbers inace se ne bi pomaljali na svetlo dana!

Vidi, Dibuk, kod rasista imaš više tipova mrzitelja. Imaš one koji su ne znaju za bolje. Nisu dobijali ljubav, nikada nigde nisu pripadali. Oni se identifikuju sa grupama u kojima se osećaju prihvaćeno, voljeno i posebno. Pošto je biti beo prednost i privilegija u ovom svetu, oni u tome nalaze razloge da se osećaju dobro. I priključuju se rasističkim pokretima (po istom principu funkcionišu navijači, na primer).

Onda imaš ljude koje stvarno pokreće strah, a ne nedostatak identiteta (kao u prvom slučaju). Neki od tih ljudi spososbni su da strah materijalizuju u otvorenu mržnju i aktivizam, neki se samo plaše i beže (fight or flight response). Lavkraft je bio u drugoj grupi (flight). On je primećivao, bio opsednut, razvijao teorije i fantazirao jer se plašio. Možemo da diskutujemo i o tome koliko je zapravo mrzeo, a koliko je bio svestan svojih iracionalnih strahova pa ih je zato i pretočavao u priče i tako se lečio. Mislim da je bio senzitivan, osetljiv, mislim da je saosećao (zato je i razvio opsesiju) i mislim da je bio dovoljno inteligentan da osvesti iracionalno u sebi.

Neko ko nije bio u situaciji da razvije rasizam kao odbrambeni mehanizam ne može baš da razume o čemu govorim. Tu je mentalna higijena najbitnija.

Pa prva izjava moje drugarice kada sam stigla u Dubai je bila "Dobrodošla. U roku od par meseci postaćeš rasista. To je nešto što ni ja nisam mislila da će ikada da mi se desi". Dala sam sve od sebe i mogu iskreno da kažem - nisam rasista, ali neki mentaliteti mi prijaju, a neki ne.

"Rasista" je težak termin, opterećuje, i implicira angažovanje u tom domenu. Jasno je da je Lavkraft svoj "rasizam" koristio samo kao motiv u retkim pričama. To nije primarni motiv njegovog opusa da bismo ga sada, posle toliko godina, okvalifikovali kao rasistu.

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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #355 on: 12-11-2015, 16:21:26 »
Ok, hvala na opsirnim objasnjenjima D. :)

Ja samo mislim da se ovaj mehanizam pretvaranja straha od nepoznatog u odbojnost/mrznju prema tome logicno razvija, a da ta mrznja ne mora biti uopste konkretizovana niti da se iz nje mora delovati.
A slazem se da 'rasista' ne treba da bude glavna odrednica kad se o ovom coveku prica, mozda samo fusnota. Dakle, ja se s tobom i s drugima slazem po pitanuju ove kontroverze itd, jedino sto insistiram na dominantnom uticaju aktuelnog trenutka i americke politicke i drustvene stvarnosti na kreiranje odbojnosti prema Lavkraftu i konacno njegov bojkot. To je naravno iracionalno, mozda i apsurdno imajuci u vidu ' zastarelost slucaja' i 'olaksavajuce okolnosti' vremena kad je ziveo i stvarao, ali....

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« Reply #356 on: 12-11-2015, 16:25:54 »
Ja ću zaobići čitavu ovu raspravu o rasizmu i reći da Lavkraft nikada nije trebalo ni da bude na statui. Ne zato što smatram da je on nedovoljno dobar ili uticajan pisac, već zato što smatram da to nije za ljude. Poslednji dobitnik bi mogao da pretopi statuu u hobitsku lulu, vilinsku kraljicu, Torov čekić ili šta već smatra reprezentativnim. Da, čak i Ktulu je bolja opcija.
Znate... u početku beše Šala, i Šala beše...itd

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« Reply #357 on: 12-11-2015, 16:28:27 »
@Dybuk

Pa to. :)

Zato uz nagradu treba da ide fusnota izvinjenja svima zbog ponekog rasističkog Lavkraftovog stava iz pijeteta prema onima koji se ne slažu da nagrada nosi njegov lik i ime, uz prihvatljivo i nediskriminišuće obrazloženje zašto su ime i lik ipak zadržani (prvi argument je - drugačije vreme, društvene okolnosti i vrednosti).

Ovo rešenje sada je najgluplje moguće.

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« Reply #358 on: 12-11-2015, 17:32:43 »
ridiculus, a i žnaru je. :twisted:

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« Reply #359 on: 12-11-2015, 19:59:32 »
Gle, Gul mi nije skočio za vrat.  :)

Još bih napomenula dve stvari: primetila sam da ljudi koji imaju raznovrsne strahove i traume bolje maštaju. Ja neke stvari, koje oni trezni vide i sanjaju, verovatno mogu da vidim tek na tripu od elesdija ili neke druge tablete, jer nisam taj tip.

Primer: ja i drugarica u Keniji. Odemo u bar na plaži, prilično daleko. Spusti se noć, a mi moramo plažom nazad u hotel. Da ne pominjem da je plaža i preko dana bila pusta, sve sa lokalcima koji su hteli da nam prodaju sve od trave do sebe. Dogovorimo se da trčimo po plaži do hotela. Ja dosta brzo trčim i napomenem drugarici da trči talno po liniji gde se završava zapljuskivanje talasa, jer je pesak tu konzistentniji i čvršći, te noga ne upada prilikom trčanja. I trčim tako ja, ne zamišljam ni da će neko da me zgrabi, ni da će neko da izađe iz mraka, ni da će neko da me otme, ubije. Čujem samo šum talasa i uživam u trčanju i uzbuđenju. Moja drugarica, za to vreme, viče za mnom da usporim, da je čekam, te prilazi obezbeđenju nekog hotela na plaži (svi su hoteli zaključavali izlaze ka plažama, a sva vozila proveravala zbog bombi) i bezuspešno ga moli da nas otprati do našeg hotela. Još ona njega pita da li su se dešavala ubistva i silovanja na plaži, a on odgovara - neću da vas lažem, jesu:) Najposle, stignemo do hotela. Ja ok, drago mi je što smo bezbedno stigle, naravno, a ona uspaničena. Već je videla kako je siluje gomila crnaca i prenosi joj sidu, i to ako preživi... :lol: Verujem da bi ona pisala bolje horor priče od mene.

Mislim da je i Lavkraft imao sličan tip ličnosti.

Inače, na srpskohrvatskoj Vikipediji, to Bobanovo "Snoviđenje ka Kadatu" prevedeno je kao "Sanjani pohod na nepoznati Kadat".

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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #360 on: 12-11-2015, 20:15:21 »
sljepi za njegovu velicinu i univerzalnost

univerzalnost je rasistička kategorija

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« Reply #361 on: 12-11-2015, 20:16:28 »
Otkad je Obama došao za predsednika SAD svedoci smo masovnih intervencija u kulturi: prepravljanje Toma Sojera (zbog njegovog drugara Crnca koga nazivaju imenima koja su sada nekorektna); izbacivanje priče Reja Bredberija iz njegove knjige Marsijanske hronike gde se otvoreno piše o belačkom maltretiranju i iskorišćavanju Crnaca... i ko zna šta sve ne. Skidanje Lavkrafta je verovatno samo jedna od stvari u tom talasu.
Ali nema veze, neće to trajati dugo; sad će na vlast doći Klintonka i eto nam Trećeg svetskog rata, pa sve ove pređašnje dileme postaju irelevantne...
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« Reply #362 on: 12-11-2015, 20:18:48 »
Ili Donald Tramp!

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Re: Lavkraft
« Reply #363 on: 12-11-2015, 20:24:44 »
još od Dinkića Boban nije pogodio nijednu političku opciju

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« Reply #364 on: 12-11-2015, 20:29:35 »
Ja sam SF pisac; ne prorok; ja pričam o mogućim budućnostima upozoravajući savremenike na potencijalne posledice.
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« Reply #365 on: 12-11-2015, 20:30:48 »
Donald Tramp je tu samo da bi se istaklo koliko je Hilari bolji kandidat u odnosu na klovna. Amerika će dobiti prvu ženu predsednicu i to nema mnogo veze sa glasanjem, spremnošću društva ili željama građana. Jednostavno, posle prvog crnog predsednika, na redu je prva žena na toj poziciji, koja, i po političkim stavovima, odgovara vladajućim elitama u SAD.

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« Reply #366 on: 12-11-2015, 20:32:31 »
Ne pratim nesto, ali mislim da nema sanse da demokratski predstavnik pobedi, zena ili ne.

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« Reply #367 on: 12-11-2015, 21:00:14 »
hilari, nece sigurno... i jedni i drugi su usrali, ipak,  malu prednost dajem  republikancima...
This is a gift, it comes with a price. Who is the lamb and who is the knife. Midas is king and he holds me so tight. And turns me to gold in the sunlight ...

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« Reply #368 on: 12-11-2015, 21:54:18 »
ja bih voleo da pobede republikanci, davno je meni moj otac govorio: čim je predsednik Amerike demokrata pritiskaju nas, a republikanac se bavi više unutrašnjim problemima; demokrate hoće celom svetu da uteraju svoju viziju demokratije.
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« Reply #369 on: 12-11-2015, 22:12:22 »
Do 2020. godine ON će biti predsednik Sjedinjenih Američkih Država?


Glumac ide koracima kolege Arnolda Švarcenegera, tako da ulazi u trku za guvernera 2018. godine ispred Demokratske partije.


Izvor je rekao za Dejli Miror da je Džordž jako popularn kod Demokrata i ima li bolje pozicije za njega od Guvernera Kalifornije, kuće Holivuda?



 
 
Kluni planira da pokrene kampanju nakon venčanja sa Amal Alamudin u Septembru, zbog kampanje je odbio mnoge uloge u filmovima jer neće imati vremena za to.
 
Ko zna možda će 2020 godina da se kandiduje i za predsednika SAD, pa će Amal biti prva Britanska "dama"., a Džordž će pratiti korake Ronalda Regana od idola filma, do guvernera do predsednika.
This is a gift, it comes with a price. Who is the lamb and who is the knife. Midas is king and he holds me so tight. And turns me to gold in the sunlight ...

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« Reply #370 on: 12-11-2015, 22:13:34 »
Hm, skrenuli smo u opaki offtopic.

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« Reply #371 on: 12-11-2015, 22:18:22 »
Vihor globalizacije nastavlja da melje sve pred sobom i poništava identitete pojedinačnih kultura. I to je to. Niko se od toga neće izvući i biti pošteđen. Ni aglo-saksi. A ni Lavkraft.

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« Reply #372 on: 13-11-2015, 02:26:00 »
oglasio se i jedan od većih poznavalaca horora, urednik i izučavalac -
Stefan Dziemianowicz:
I read the tweets of several of the movers and shakers in the Dump-the-Howie movement right after the announcement was made at WFC. Some chortled "WE DID IT!" All I could think was: given the state of race relations in America right now, you consider THIS a significant achievement in the fight against racism?
Interesting to me that "ownership" of two major awards in the fantastic fiction world this year--the Hugo and the Howie--were hijacked in different ways by small special-interest groups. Taking a tip from the Hugos, I think they should rename the World Fantasy Award the Dead Puppy Award.
Yes, small contingents of crazed asswipes CAN destroy good by thumping unebbingly on drums of high ignorance, and will do so successfully when cowards cave in to abuse. Some downright evil people decided that an essay Lovecraft wrote in junior high school but which never reflected anything in his actual life and relationships, added to a name he gave his beloved kitten when he was a toddler, and paid homage to in "The Rats in the Wall", means he's a Klan-worthy bigot, to hell with who he really was in life. No one who knew Lovecraft knew the man these malicious creatures would have him be.
And now that we do know we are the enemy without ever having been one, we certainly can never be friends with those who despise us without cause or intelligence. So of course it's not "a significant achievement in the fight against racism." It trivializes and displaces a real cause by superimposing a liars cause, who insist on believing against the greater body of evidence a thing that can only be embraced by ignoring a lifetime of decency and achiev