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Da li su žene ravnopravne na domaćoj F sceni?

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Boban

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Re: Žene u domaćoj fantastici
« Reply #200 on: 10-02-2011, 17:45:56 »
Ma to je klasičan način muškarada da obezvrede svaku priču koja se tiče žena.
Sramno je da se to dešava i na ovom forumu.
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Meho Krljic

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Re: Žene u domaćoj fantastici
« Reply #201 on: 10-02-2011, 17:52:07 »
Ja se izvinjavam ako sam nekoga nehotice obezvredio.

Джон Рейнольдс

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Re: Žene u domaćoj fantastici
« Reply #202 on: 10-02-2011, 18:43:31 »
Zena mora da pazi na svoj izgled. Zapustena zena je tuzan prizor. Zapustenost moze biti fizicka i intelektualna. Samo pametna i negovana zena je prava zena.

Eto. Kratke, efikasne i jednostavne rečenice, svaka kao u kamen uklesana. Da se žene nešto ne zeznu, pazi vamo:

1. MORA!
2. Sram je bilo, čuvajte se zapuštenosti.
3. Oprez! Postoje dve vrste zapuštenosti, za detalje pogledati rečenicu br. 2.
4. Nepametnim i nenegovanim ženama izraste piša.
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angel011

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Re: Žene u domaćoj fantastici
« Reply #203 on: 10-02-2011, 18:56:29 »
4. Nepametnim i nenegovanim ženama izraste piša.

Nekad je za to trebalo protrčati ispod duge. :lol:
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Josephine

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Re: Žene u domaćoj fantastici
« Reply #204 on: 10-02-2011, 18:59:06 »
A danas se samo treba roditi kao muškarac. Odmah ti sa pišom pripadne i ta "nepamet" i nenegovanost...  :?:

Kunac

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Re: Žene u domaćoj fantastici
« Reply #205 on: 10-02-2011, 19:09:23 »
Odmah ti sa pišom pripadne i ta "nepamet" i nenegovanost...  :?:
Ovo je sad ženski šovinizam.  :?:
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Josephine

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Re: Žene u domaćoj fantastici
« Reply #206 on: 10-02-2011, 19:10:51 »
Pa jeste.  :) Nikada ne znaš kako je drugima dok to i sam/a ne osetiš na svojoj koži...  :?:

Kunac

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Re: Žene u domaćoj fantastici
« Reply #207 on: 10-02-2011, 19:16:34 »
Bogami... Žestoko. U pravu si. Verujem da nije lako biti žena. Mada, nije uopšte lako biti. (Osim ako niste Marijana Mateus.)
"zombi je mali žuti cvet"

Джон Рейнольдс

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Re: Žene u domaćoj fantastici
« Reply #208 on: 10-02-2011, 19:25:05 »
Pade mi nešto na pamet. Često se u javnosti piše i priča o ugroženosti žena, o neravnopravnom položaju i odnosima u društvu, i tako dalje i tako bliže.

Razmišljam nešto, a šta ćemo s poljima gde su žene privilegovanije od muškaraca? Da li su borkinje za ravnopravan tretman spremne da se odreknu privilegija, jer ih samo to čini iskrenima u nameri?
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Josephine

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Re: Žene u domaćoj fantastici
« Reply #209 on: 10-02-2011, 19:27:02 »
Neke su se već odrekle...

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« Reply #210 on: 10-02-2011, 19:32:10 »
Pade mi nešto na pamet. Često se u javnosti piše i priča o ugroženosti žena, o neravnopravnom položaju i odnosima u društvu, i tako dalje i tako bliže.

Razmišljam nešto, a šta ćemo s poljima gde su žene privilegovanije od muškaraca? Da li su borkinje za ravnopravan tretman spremne da se odreknu privilegija, jer ih samo to čini iskrenima u nameri?

Možda, ako ne dođe do situacije da se samo odriču, a ništa ne dobijaju tamo gde su ugrožene i neravnopravne.
We're all mad here.

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Re: Žene u domaćoj fantastici
« Reply #211 on: 10-02-2011, 20:54:13 »
Na vam čitajte nešto NA TEMU:

http://shufflingandmuttering.blogspot.com/2011/02/on-question-of-water.html

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On the question of water


I'm not sure how, but about a month or so ago I stumbled across the Vida statistics for literary journals publishing women writers. My thoughts went as follows:

"Jesus, that's awful."

"Actually, that's not surprising."

"Wait... Am I the problem? How many women writers do I read?"

"...wow. I never realized that. Shit."

"But, like, Susana Clarke has written THE fantasy novel that I respect the most! That's got to count for something, right?"

"That probably sounds like a 'I actually have many black friends' defense."

"I don't read enough women writers."

"You know what, I don't read enough, period."

"I guess since my reading time has diminished so much, and I read so few novels, I have to really make them count. I need to pick out some really great women's books to read to balance this all out."

"Shit! Did I just think 'Women's books'?! God! Good thing no one can hear what I'm thinking. I'll make sure to never write down these thoughts down and put them on the internet."

And then I went and screwed that all up.

Some of this, as I'm sure you can tell, is exaggerated for humorous purposes. And some of it is actually a thought process I had a long time ago, back when I first started writing, and I realized everything I read was mostly written by men, more or less, and this was something that needed to change. And I wanted it to change not just out of some White Male Liberal Guilt, but because to be a good writer you need to read widely, and not simply in the areas you're most comfortable with. There is good fiction of many kinds out there, and to be ignorant of them only hurts yourself. (You can apply this thinking to a larger meaning by swapping out "writer" with "person," "read" with "think," and "fiction" with "perspectives.")

But it was around then that I realized something bigger. I don't know if it's getting married and living with a woman for the first time that did it, but I realized that for a lot of my life I've lived more or less in the company of men, both in the physical world and the world of thought. This is something I regret a lot, and not in the puerile "I wish I'd known how to talk to girls in high school" kind of way. (Well, not just in that way.)

The important thing to understand is how easy this all was. It is very easy to fall into a very constrained little corridor of life, and remain resolutely ignorant of everything outside of its walls. These corridors are built for us, in a way, and sometimes I think we're encouraged to fall in them. And we do, because we like them. We like them because life is simple and defined in there, and we just need to look straight ahead, not side to side. Eventually you stop thinking to look around at all.

It reminds me of that old corny joke about two fish in a river. One says to the other, "Gosh, the water sure is cold today." And the other fish says, "What the hell is water?"

There is a certain amount of self-awareness needed sometimes. Too much, and you wind up overinclusive, trying to stuff the whole world into every second of your life. But too little, and you remain utterly ignorant of what's around you. Or, worse, ignorant of the consequences of what you're doing.

Anyways, now, weeks later, I am slowly realizing that there is a big hubbub, or fracas, or maybe even a brouhaha over the Vida statistics. As there should be. Over at the Bookslut, the two editors, Jessa Crispin and Michael Schaub, are writing letters back and forth to each other about these statistics. Their discussion is both funny and enlightening. Check them out.

Posted by Robert Bennett at 6:55 AM
Why shouldn't things be largely absurd, futile, and transitory? They are so, and we are so, and they and we go very well together.

Kunac

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Re: Žene u domaćoj fantastici
« Reply #212 on: 11-02-2011, 21:08:05 »
Zakk uozbiljio topik i postovi prestadoše... Baš kd je bilo najslađe. xrofl
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zakk

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Re: Žene u domaćoj fantastici
« Reply #213 on: 11-02-2011, 21:31:42 »
Ma baš.  xfrog

Nego, stvarno, vredi pročitati tekstove sa bookslut-a
Why shouldn't things be largely absurd, futile, and transitory? They are so, and we are so, and they and we go very well together.

Josephine

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Re: Žene u domaćoj fantastici
« Reply #214 on: 15-01-2016, 18:58:50 »
Ja samo da utrošim jedan od poslednjih postova da primetim da su PTY i Jevtropijevićka izdominirale u prvom delu ove diskusije. Nekako nikada nisam pročitala ovu temu sa pažnjom i od početka, do sad.

Sigurna sam da je stav "žene ne zanima fantastika, zato ih u žanru ima manje, one čitaju ljubiće" opstao, pa je još i većinski, pa me smara da ga opet dovodim u pitanje, ali ću iskoristiti delove ove diskusije za ženski broj časopisa ZS, pa ako neko od aktera ima nešto protiv, neka se javi sada ili zauvek ćuti:)

Okvirna ideja je da dajdžestujem diskusiju u formi duhovite priče/diskusije sa forumskim nikovima. Naravno, to mogu da budu i izmišljeni nikovi i izmišljena diskusija, samo inspirisana ovom, ali meni je draže da ne budu, a da diskusija, najvećim delom, odgovara ovde napisanoj.

scallop

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Re: Žene u domaćoj fantastici
« Reply #215 on: 20-07-2018, 14:27:41 »
Moram da popunim prazninu ovog foruma.
Poslednjih desetak dana sam čitao jedan "ženski" roman. Sporo, jer je tuča između hrvatsko-srpskog i srpsko-hrvatskog, da ne napišem između hrvatskog i srpskog, baš žestoka. Neko bi ga proglasio za zbirku novela, ali ja sam sklon da vidim roman.


Ne znam da li ženski svet u domaćoj fantastici piše lepše ili bolje od muškića. Primećuje se obimnija pridevologija, ali sam viđao i muške pisce koji se razbacuju pridevima. Ipak, radi se o jakoj priči, kada bih roman posmatrao kao novele srednja je baš impresivna. Možda bih ja rezao krajeve, ali gde bi onda nestala originalnost.


Sve u svemu, veoma sam zadovoljan čitanjem i nadam se da će uskoro i drugi čitaoci imati istu priliku.
Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. - Mark Twain.

Boban

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Re: Žene u domaćoj fantastici
« Reply #216 on: 20-07-2018, 14:34:41 »
Nećeš nam odati o kojoj se knjizi radi?
Put ćemo naći ili ćemo ga napraviti.

scallop

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Re: Žene u domaćoj fantastici
« Reply #217 on: 20-07-2018, 14:39:42 »
Odaću samo tebi privatno, jer mislim da znaš. Mislim da konačni naslov još nije odabran. Citiraću jednu rečenicu koja mi se zakačila: Ulica je velika kao Država.
Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. - Mark Twain.

Boban

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Re: Žene u domaćoj fantastici
« Reply #218 on: 20-07-2018, 15:57:51 »
ah, da opet ljudi koji nisu u stanju da napišu roman, pokupe tako svoje priče iz raznih perioda i smisle da ih proglase za jedinstvo mesta, vremena i radnje...
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scallop

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Re: Žene u domaćoj fantastici
« Reply #219 on: 20-07-2018, 16:21:08 »
Još te drmaju ideje da ti nešto određuješ u literarnom stvaralaštvu?  :roll:  Kad pisac odredi šta je napisao ti nemaš šta da dodaš. Ovaj roman počinje u zimu na jednom mestu, nastavlja se početkom proleća na drugom i krajem leta na trećem mestu. Rastojanje je trista kilometara od prvog do drugog mesta, a još pet stotina od drugog do trećeg. Radnja je vrlo jedinstvena, a i glavni likovi su isti.  xfrog
Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. - Mark Twain.