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Meho Krljic

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« Reply #250 on: 09-02-2015, 13:21:48 »
Srpska Pravoslavna Crkva je upozoravala, ali da li iko to sluša sem nas, Srba? Niko!


Office complex implants RFID chips in employees' hands

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Workers volunteer to get the implants
 The corporate tenants of a Swedish high-tech office complex are having RFID chips implanted in their hands, enabling access through security doors, as well as services such as copy machines, all without PIN codes or swipe cards.
 The employees working at Epicenter, a 15,000-square-foot building in Stockholm, can even pay for lunch using their implants -- just as they would with the swipe of a credit card.
 The owners of Epicenter say they want the facility to be a "magnet for fast growing digital companies and cutting-edge creative corporate initiatives."
 "The fact that some people at the Epicenter office have chosen to replace their key fobs with NFC implants is their own personal choice," said Hannes Sjöblad, founder of Bionyfiken, a Swedish association of Biohackers. "It's a small, but indeed fast-growing, fraction which has chosen to try it out."
 Sjöblad said there are also several other offices, companies, gyms and education institutions in Stockholm where people access the facilities with implanted RFID/NFC chips (near field communication).



 The RFID implants are a bit larger than a grain of rice, and Sjöblad's group tested the chips last year. Bionyfiken has just launched a nationwide study on RFIC/NFC implants.   Featured Resource Presented by Citrix Systems  10 Essential Elements for a Secure Enterprise Mobility Strategy  With enhanced mobility and work flexibility comes increased security risk. Explore the security
 Learn More   The goal of the Bionyfiken project is to create a user community of at least 100 people with NFC implants who experiment with and help develop possible uses.
 For example, applications could expand beyond access and include employee ID and location tracking.
 Participants in the Bionyfiken project normally pay for their own implants. There are even "implant parties," that involve from eight to 15 "implantees" and a bit of socializing around the experience.
 BioNyfiken is also working to change public perception and educate people on the idea that subdermal implants are not only harmless but, in fact, useful in everyday life.
 The fast-growing Bionyfiken RFID implant community is made up by a diverse group of people who see "experimenting with technology as a natural way of life," the organization's webpage states.
 "The chips are easy to insert and just as easy to remove. The life length of a chip implant is long. I expect mine to last for 10-plus years, but likely I will want a newer model before that time," Sjöblad said.
 Sjöblad believes getting an RFID implant is a highly personal choice "as it relates to individual integrity, which both I and my fellow Swedes consider highly important."



 "However, I fundamentally believe that smart implants are a technology of the future," he added.
 Not everyone is convinced inserting radio-transmitting chips with user ID information under your skin is a good idea.
 John Kindervag, a principal security and privacy analyst at Forrester Research, said RFID implants are simply "scary" and pose a major threat to privacy and security.
 While RFID/NFC chips, whether implanted or carried in a fob, are passive and not activated until they come within inches of an electronic reader, that reader can be hacked by impersonating another person's RFID chip to gain sensitive data.
 Additionally, nefarious thieves can also set up readers in inconspicuous places (such as retail stores) to activate RFID/NFC chips, stealing access to the same information.
 The difference between implants and popular mobile payment technologies, such as Apple Pay, is that an NFC implant would not typically be shielded.
 External RFID chips, contained in smart phones, fobs or cards, can be placed in sleeves or protective wallets that block the NFC signals until they're ready for use, Kindervag said.
 Sjöblad, however, said implants have the potential to greatly increase efficiency and simplify mundane tasks. RFID chips are already used as car keys and membership cards, as well as be used as passwords and pin codes for logging into smartphones, tablets and computers.
 "But this is really just a beginning. I believe it will be possible to use them for riding public transport within a year or two. 
I believe it will be possible to facilitate payments with implants within two years," Sjöblad said. "I believe they will have the capacity to replace fitness trackers within 3 years. 
And that, indeed, is still just the beginning."
 RFID chips could also be used to control activity, Kindervag warned. For example, if a fob is used to enable a vehicle's ignition, a driver who is late with a car payment could have that device disabled by the bank.
 "I think it's pretty scary that people would want to do that [implant chips]," Kindervag said. "That's a frightening apocalyptic vision, for sure."


Meho Krljic

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Re: živimo SF
« Reply #251 on: 10-02-2015, 08:03:53 »

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Re: živimo SF
« Reply #252 on: 10-02-2015, 08:40:30 »
Elon Musk je veliki Iain M. Banks fan!  :D



Elon Musk Names SpaceX Drone Ships in Honor of Sci-Fi Legend



The robotic ships that serve as landing platforms for SpaceX rockets now have names that honor legendary sci-fi author Iain M. Banks.

Late last month, SpaceX's billionaire founder and CEO Elon Musk announced that he had named the company's first spaceport drone ship "Just Read the Instructions." The second autonomous boat, which is under construction, will be called "Of Course I Still Love You," Musk added.

"'Just Read the Instructions' and 'Of Course I Still Love You' are two of the sentient, planet-sized Culture starships which first appear in Banks' 'The Player of Games,'" Tor.com noted last month. "Just as the Minds inhabiting each Culture ship choose their names with care, you have to imagine that Musk did the same here."

http://www.space.com/28445-spacex-elon-musk-drone-ships-names.html

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Re: živimo SF
« Reply #253 on: 14-02-2015, 06:56:39 »
Još malo Elona Muska, ovog puta o Tesla baterijama za domove. Dakle - proizvodnja svoje (solarne) energije, trgovanje sa elektroprivrednim sistemima u oba smera itd. Libeat je već ukazivala na ovo. Moja zebnja je da će ta vrrsta liberalizacije tržišta snabdevanja domaćinstava energijom dovesti do toga da neka domaćinstva naprosto neće imati dovoljno energije jer neće biti ni u čijoj interesnoj zoni. Ali nije da sam ja to nešto promislio mnogo...
 
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« Reply #254 on: 14-02-2015, 11:15:52 »
     Da, da, to je oblik stvari koje dolaze… ili bolje rečeno, možda ne sam oblik koliko njegovi obrisi.  :)
 
Elem, ti si se jednom ovlašno osvrnuo na koncept komunalne decentralizacije - sećam se da je Mića na to reagovao sa opaskom da trenutno u Srbiji naprosto nema dovoljno stručnog kadra da efikasno sprovede tu ideju u delo na mikro nivou - a upravo ovaj koncept dobro predstavlja srazmeru minimuma stručnosti na maksimum efikasnosti. Ovaj koncept ne podrazumeva vlasništvo infrastrukture, nego samo njeno iznajmljivanje, a benefit je za vlasnika utoliko što ga lišava troškova za neophodnu R&M podršku za instalaciju. Prostije rečeno, ti kao korisnik dobiješ instalaciju za relativno sitnije pare nego što te taj konkretno produkt do tada koštao, prođeš bazičnu obuku za održavanje i sitne popravke na toj instalaciji i koristiš je za svoj benefit, dok se viškom tvoje proizvodnje koristi vlasnik instalacije. Što se tebe tiče, plaćaš korištenje infrastrukture sa onim što ti ionako nije od konkretne koristi, za razliku od trenutnog sistema u kom je plaćaš upravo sa lebom kojeg jedeš, tojest ekvivalentom u formi novca.
 
E sad, jednom kad tako (sa)gledamo koncept, ispada da su ti strepnje možda i malko neosnovane: recimo da će sa ovimkonceptom upravo danas manje privilegovani ponajviše profitirati, znači ljudi u ruralnim i zabačenim krajevima za koje centralizovane komunalije i ne nalaze za shodno da im donesu i održavaju poštenu infrastrukturu. Kod mene je tu najbitnija električna energija i voda, mada je tu ubedljivo najbitnija sama energija, jer kad nje ima onda i sve ostalo bude više nadohvat ruke.
 
A to je još jedan od primera koji lepo povezuje ovu kontroverzu sa nekim drugim koje te u istoj meri zanimaju: sa liberalnim petljancijama u sakrosantno patrijahalno nasledno i imovinsko pravo.  :mrgreen:  Koncept se trenutno silno oslanja na agrikulturni segment industrije, i to ponajviše tamo gde isti počiva na privatnoj imovini. Farme u privatnom vlasništvu jesu i biće prirodno glavni korisnici i pokrovitelji koncepta: kad poseduješ par stotina hektara pod usevima ili u stočarstvu, tvoj pogled na komunalije neminovno postaje više feudalni nego što bi to liberalni ostatak sveta voleo. Ali praksa dokazuje da su agrikulturne površine daleko produktivnije kad su u obiteljskom vlasništvu, nego bilo kom drugom formatu uprave, otud su i neretko najčvršća baza zdrave ekonomije.
 
Naravno, to jedino tamo gde zakonodavstvo ima sluha za superiornost imovinskog i naslednog prava nad... hm, recimo izvesnim građanskim slobodama koje vrlo mnogo znače uglavnom manjinskoj populaciji. Što opet znači da se malko vraćamo na početak: vraćamo se na pretpostavku da neke ljudske potrebe ipak imaju prirodni prioritet nad nekim drugim ljudskim potrebama. A glad je tu daleko superiorna.
 

Mica Milovanovic

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Re: živimo SF
« Reply #255 on: 14-02-2015, 12:02:51 »
Žeđ je problematičnija nego glad. Mada su tu negde...


Sve više se u svetu shvata da je kod planiranja sistema neminovno posmatrati takozvani water-food-energy nexus. Bez jedinstvenog gledanja na ovo gotovo da nema pravog rešenja. Mada, i u najrazvijenijim zemljama, kao što je EU, ima dosta problema zbog donošenja zakona koji praktično jedan drugog poništavaju. Očit primer je Okvirna direktiva o vodama koja se zalaže da se vodotoci praktično vrata u prirorodno stanje, gde god je to moguće, a u isto vreme se donosi legislativa koja nalaže da moraš da imaš određenu količinu energije iz obnovljivih izvora energije, gde su mini-HE možda i najveći doprinos. A da bi napravio mini HE od kojih i nema velike koristi (10.000 mini HE na slivu Dunava koje sada postoje daju energije kao pola Đerdapa) moraš neminovno napraviti priličan pritisak na vodotok. Pa sada na razne načine pokušavaju da se doviju kako da reše ovaj problem...


A pitanje "centralizacija-decentralizacija" po meni je i dalje otvoreno i, kao što kažeš, neminovno je vezano za koncept vlasništva.


Iz nekog mog iskustva sa planiranjem sistema, decentralizacija je moguća i a verovatno i poželjna u ekonomski razvijenim društvima sa dovoljno resursa. Čim imaš problem sa količinom resursa (na primer vode u aridnim zemljama) problem se mora rešavati krupnijim sistemima, a tu je centralno planiranje neminovno. Slična je situacija sa ekonomski nemoćnim zemljama gde nemaš dovoljno kadra za planiranje i održavanje sistema, pa je potrebno centralno planiranje i rešavanje prvo najvažnijih i najurgentnijih problema.


Na Svetskom forumu voda u Koreji smo organizovali jednu sesiju u kojoj ćemo pokušati da na globalnom planu ukažemo na problem upravljanja vodama u zemljama u razvoju, koja, po našem mišljenju, u ovom trenutku nije adekvatno rešeno na globalnom planu, jer se nedovljno ulaže u razvoj državne uprave u zemljama u tranziciji. Međunarodne monetarne institucije imaju naviku da razgovaraju sa lokalnim samoupravama i da direktno sa njima rešavaju probleme, preskačući često državnu upravu i tako se formiraju sistemi koje posle nema ko da održava i koji vrlo često propadaju i ako se uspešno naprave...
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Re: živimo SF
« Reply #256 on: 14-02-2015, 17:06:31 »
da, istina je da ceo koncept uvelike štuca na globalnom planu.  :(  delim donekle mišljenje ovdašnjeg javnog mnenja koje smatra da države (to one trećeg sveta pogotovo) jednostavno nemaju dovoljno sluha a bogami ni političke volje (ni kredibiliteta, kad smo već kod toga) za neke opsežnije zahvate koji su ipak neminovni. Otud se ekološka svest više sedimentira u razne vandržavne institucije, što svakako nije konstruktivno, ali opet, ima svojih eventualnih prednosti, pogotovo u nestabilnim političkim sistemima. Teško je odvagati sve moguće prednosti i mane takvog procesa, ali nepobitno je da baš i nisu podatne za kalkulacije u klasičnim ekonomskim i inim modelima. Za sada, ovde opstaju samo zahvaljujući pominjanoj sakrosantnosti koncepta vlasništva: ovde si još uvek gospod bog na svom parčetu zemlje, i iz njega proizilazi ne samo sve što imaš, nego i sve što jesi. Na nekom uvrnutom nivou, biti zemljoposednik znači biti i institucija.


ali naravno da si u pravu kad kažeš da mnoge konkretne mere imaj usmisla samo ako se sprovode na globalnom nivou. kod mene je već nekih 6-7 godina na snazi load-shedding satnica po kojoj se određenim delovima grada u određeno vreme isključuje struja na period od 4 do 6 sati, ponekad i više. naravno, razlozi su mnogi i tragikomični u mnogim svojim aspektima, ali koren problema je svakako ponajviše u neracionalnom korištenju resursa. znaš, ima neke upotrebne vrednosti ta neugodnost kojoj nas svakodnevno podvrgavaju, često bez adekvatnog upozorenja: da ti na znanje svu dubinu krhkosti civilizacijskih tekovina koje uzimaš zdravo za gotovo, plus te silno ohrabri da budeš ekstremno samodovoljan.  :mrgreen:

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Re: živimo SF
« Reply #257 on: 14-02-2015, 18:00:11 »
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Jeste, ali ta alokacija ekološke svesti u vandržavne institucije nije slučajna već jasno dirigovana na globalnom nivou. Mi smo na slivu Dunava, u okviru plana upravljanja vodama koji se pravio za čitav sliv, imali značajnu pomoć UN GEF fondova, bez kojih ne bi bilo moguće da se to napravi. Ali od 8 miliona evra koje su alocirane za tako nešto, oko 5-6 miliona evra je išlo nevladinim institucijama za različite programe razvoja svesti, uključivanja javnosti i sl., a samo milion-dva za pravi rad na istraživanjima koja je trebalo da doprinesu boljem poznavanju situacije na slivu i boljim rešenjima. [/size]
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Re: živimo SF
« Reply #258 on: 02-03-2015, 10:11:16 »
Hmmm...


Hyperloop Construction Starts Next Year With the First Full-Scale Track





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Hyperloop Transportation Technologies, the company that wants to move  the revolutionary transit system out of Elon Musk’s brain into the real world, plans to start construction on an actual hyperloop next year.
OK, it will only run five miles around central California, and it won’t come anywhere close to the 800 mph Musk promised, but it’s a start.
The Hyperloop, detailed by the SpaceX and Tesla Motors CEO in a 57-page alpha white paper in August 2013, is a transportation network of above-ground tubes that would span hundreds of miles. Thanks to extremely low air pressure inside those tubes, capsules filled with people zip through them at near supersonic speeds. 
The idea is to build a five-mile track in Quay Valley, a planned community (itself a grandiose idea) that will be built from scratch on 7,500 acres of land around Interstate 5, midway between San Francisco and Los Angeles. Construction of the hyperloop will be paid for with $100 million Hyperloop Transportation Technologies expects to raise through a direct public offering in the third quarter of this year.
They’re serious about this, too. It’s not a proof of concept, or a scale model. It’s the real deal. “It’s not a test track,” CEO Dirk Ahlborn says, even if five miles is well short of the 400-mile stretch of tubes Musk envisions carrying people between northern and southern California in half an hour. Anyone can buy a ticket and climb aboard, but they won’t see anything approaching 800 mph. Getting up to that mark requires about 100 miles of track, Ahlborn says, and “speed is not really what we want to test here.”
Instead, this first prototype will test and tweak practical elements like station setup, boarding procedures, and pod design. “This is a very natural step,” Ahlborn says, on the way to building a longer track that allows for higher speeds and testing freight shipping. It’s also a way to prove that yes, this thing can be built.
Those designs were put together by a group of nearly 200 engineers all over the country who spend their free time spitballing ideas in exchange for stock options, and have day jobs at places like Boeing, NASA, Yahoo!, and Airbus. They and a group of 25 students at UCLA’s graduate architecture program are working on a wide array of issues, including route planning, capsule design, and cost analysis.
The partnership with Quay Valley makes sense for both parties. It’s a chunk of private land where Ahlborn doesn’t have to grapple with the right-of-way issues that have plagued California’s high-speed rail project. Quay Hays has been trying to build his housing and commercial development project for nearly a decade (the 2008 recession put the plan on hold). The Hyperloop fits with his vision of a place where cars take a back seat to non-polluting public transit systems (Ahlborn says the track and station will run as least partly on solar power).
For Quay, it doubles as advertising: The chance to ride in the world’s first Hyperloop is a great reason for people driving down I-5 to take their bathroom break in the settlement he’s evangelizing, take a look around, maybe buy a house.

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Re: živimo SF
« Reply #259 on: 07-03-2015, 09:06:08 »
Nathan Grayson verovatno korektno nagađa da će VR pornografija dovesti čovečanstvo do izumiranja
 
 I Tried VR Porn, And It Was Weird
 
 
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"Have you ever tried VR porn?" Vander Caballero asked me. The video game developer was trying to convince me of VR's potential to revolutionize intimacy. "Do you want to try it right now?"
Of course I said yes. Of course I did. It's hardly what I expected from my demo session of his new game, but you don't say "no" when a game developer offers you the opportunity to try VR porn. I know this from experience. (I don't know this from experience.)
 
Caballero was the creative director on the critically acclaimed puzzle game Papo & Yo. I'd just finished playing through the GDC demo of his new game, a Pokemon Snap-alike called Time Machine, in which you go back in time to get up close and personal with living, breathing dinosaurs. And I mean close. The game's main mechanic is scanning (in order to collect data about how reptiles lived back when they were still cool and gigantic), and it's frequently tense, sometimes terrifying. I was inches away from a sea-dwelling Pliosaurus' eye, and I'd have been megaton fish food if not for my ability to temporarily slow time while preparing dinosaurs' for their close-up.
 
It was really cool—not to mention one of the more unique, strangely intimate experiences I've had with VR—but I still had my reservations. Caballero wasn't fazed. He wanted to convince me that VR won't just take over games; it will take over our lives. He said he already uses his Samsung Gear VR headset on buses, trains, and planes. He transforms his commutes by going to other places. His journeys are destinations. Or when he's at home and his wife is sleeping, he can just strap on his headset and chill out in his own fully modeled movie theater. 3
 
That's when intimacy entered the picture. I suggested that it's kind of strange to hear Caballero—a person whose previous games have preached empathy, emotional intimacy, and understanding—rally behind habits that effectively cut him off from the rest of the world. I found it doubly strange because Caballero is such a warm, personable person. He grins frequently, he gestures broadly, he laughs easily. Conversations with him quickly take on their own sort of intimacy. He has a way of making people feel comfortable being open and honest, delving into topics that might not be in the realm of, for instance, a typical video game interview.
 
When faced with the idea that VR might—in certain cases—wall people off from each other, Caballero retorted that VR has the potential to put humanity into empathy overdrive, if applied correctly. Proximity, being close and connected to someone, the feeling that you could reach out and touch them if only there wasn't a wall of ones and zeroes in your way—that can be nearly as powerful as real life, he said.
 
Then came the porn. Not the type of intimacy I was thinking of, but sure!
 
Caballero handed me his Samsung Gear and opened a VR porn film he'd downloaded. It was a real person in a real environment—not a game engine—but I was able to look around at my leisure as the proceedings unfolded. 4
 
It was breakfast-themed. Sunlight lazily streamed into a white-walled kitchen as a red-haired woman stripped on a table that I—or my "avatar"—was seated at. Occasionally she took sips from a glass of orange juice because thematic consistency or something, I guess. As she slowly shrugged out of a thin white shirt, she frequently made eye contact with "me," whispered and giggled playfully, teased touch but witheld sensation.
 
She got close. Really close. If she were a real person, we'd have been nose-to-nose. It was weirdly uncomfortable. My brain—only partially aware that what it was experiencing wasn't real—surged its synapses with mixed signals, ones usually reserved for awkward encounters with actual humans. "Who is this person? You just met her. Why is she right in your face? Please step back please step back please step back she's not stepping back. Why can't you step back?" I could count the moments of eye contact in eternities, it felt so awkward.
 
I am sometimes scared of people—especially when I can't talk to them. VR porn triggered that reaction hardcore. 5
 
The illusion that she was a real human broke when she got even closer. My body was so confused by the lack of heat—no warm breath on the nape of my neck, not even a single heartbeat—that I felt it as a phantom sensation. I realized that I didn't feel like I was with another person so much as I was being "stroked" by the intangible ghost hand of some eerie automaton, a one-size-fits-all skeleton wearing intimacy's skin, paying no heed as said skin sloughed away to reveal its true nature.
 
Then she started eating her own underwear, and I wasn't into it at all. Apologies to folks who are into that, but it's not my thing. 67
 
Still, I couldn't deny that elements of the VR porn app were effective, even if only briefly. My brain believed it was dealing with another human being. It was really confusing and kinda weird, as a result. I couldn't deny that it prompted a strong reaction, though.8
 
Later that day, I talked with someone else who'd also tried VR porn (albeit not with Vander Caballero; that is, to my knowledge, an honor only I can lay claim to), and his experience was totally different from mine. He explained:
 
"At first it felt surreal and disconnected, but I timed myself to get off at the same time she did," said this person, who preferred to remain anonymous. "And suddenly, I came, and we had that moment of [exhausted breathing sounds]. She was breathing at the same time. And then she looked me in the eye and leaned in and said, 'I love you, baby.' I was like, 'Wow, that was amazing.' And then I realized I'd only had that experience with a few girlfriends in my life. That's when I realized this shit is crazy. To connect with a human you need so many things, and this achieved it almost immediately. This girl was there with me, and she recognized me, and she appreciated me."910
 
So that's really... something! There's no denying that this person had a powerful, intimate experience thanks to VR. It didn't necessarily assuage my fears that some people might use VR to become more reclusive—in some ways, it made me more apprehensive—but the whole experience convinced me that possible pros are just as numerous as possible cons. Who's to say what the social ramifications of such a young technology will be? Maybe we'll strap on VR goggles to closer than ever before with people halfway across the world. Or maybe we'll use them to be millions of miles away from people while riding the same bus. Maybe we'll use them to avoid encountering people different than us—meeting strangers, learning to understand them—at all costs, or maybe we'll use them to inhabit their lives, literally take a walk in their shoes.
 
Maybe we'll stop having sex with each other. Maybe this is the end of humanity. 1112131415
 
Fuck if I know. All I know is, VR has the potential to cause widespread change, both in games and beyond. If nothing else, it will help you hide your porn better, seeing as it will be strapped to your face.
 
You thought I was gonna try to end with something more insightful, didn't you? Well, that's what you get for having expectations.
 

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« Reply #260 on: 15-03-2015, 08:03:43 »
"Molekularni 3D printer" zvuči maltene kao replikator iz Star Trek i mada nije u pitanju to, ova nova mašina može da sintetizuje jedinjenja koja su do sada bila izuzetno teška i/ili skupa za proizvođenje, što bi farmaceutsku industriju moglo iz korena da promeni:
 
3D Printer for Small Molecules Opens Access to Customized Chemistry 
 
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HHMI scientists have designed a revolutionary "3D printer" for small molecules that could open the power of customized chemistry to many.
 
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  • Small molecules hold tremendous potential in medicine and technology, but they are difficult to synthesize without proper expertise.
  • HHMI scientists have developed an automated "3D printer" for small molecules as a way to get around this bottleneck.
  • The new technology has the potential to unlock access to these customized molecules in a way that will drive science forward on many levels.
 
 
Howard Hughes Medical Institute scientists have simplified the chemical synthesis of small molecules, eliminating a major bottleneck that limits the exploration of a class of compounds offering tremendous potential for medicine and technology.
 
Scientists led by Martin Burke, an HHMI early career scientist at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, used a single automated process to synthesize 14 distinct classes of small molecules from a common set of building blocks. Burke's team envisions expanding the approach to enable the production of thousands of potentially useful molecules with a single machine, which they describe as a “3D printer” for small molecules. Their work is described in the March 13, 2015, issue of the journal Science.
 
According to Burke, the highly customized approach that chemists have long relied on to synthesize small molecules is time consuming and inaccessible to most researchers. “A lot of great medicines have not been discovered yet because of this synthesis bottleneck,” he says. With his new technology, Burke aims to change that. “The vision is that anybody could go to a website, pick the building blocks they want, instruct their assembly through the web, and the small molecules would get synthesized and shipped,” Burke says. “We're not there yet, but we now have an actionable roadmap toward on-demand small-molecule synthesis for non-specialists.”
 
 
Nature produces an abundance of small molecules, and scientists have already adapted many of them for practical applications. The vast majority of drugs are considered small molecules, as are many important biological research tools. A wide-range of technologies, including LEDs, diagnostic tools, and solar cells also rely on small molecules. “Small molecules have already had a big impact on the world,” says Burke. “But we've barely touched the surface of what they're capable of achieving. In large part, that's because there's a major synthesis bottleneck that precludes accessing all of their functional potential.”
 
Burke explains that chemists almost always develop a customized approach for manufacturing small molecules, designing a series of chemical reactions that, when applied to the right starting materials, yield the desired product. “Every time you make a molecule you have to develop a unique strategy. That customization is slow,” he says. Furthermore, it requires expertise. “Currently you have to have a high degree of training in synthesis to make small molecules,” Burke says.
 
In his research, Burke has been exploring the potential of small molecules to treat disease. Plants, animals, and microbes manufacture many small molecules with protein-like functions, and with some precise chemical modifications, Burke suspects it may be possible to optimize some of these natural products to mimic the function of missing proteins enough to restore patients' health. To do that, he says, his team needs to synthesize and test not just the small molecule found in nature, but also new versions with targeted modifications.
 
Making those molecules is a major barrier to drug discovery, Burke says. “Doing real atomistic modifications to transform nature's starting points into actual medicines is really, really challenging. The slow step in most cases in the synthesis. As a result, many natural products don't get worked on in any practical way.”
 
Burke's team took cues from nature to streamline the synthesis of the molecules they were studying, developing an approach that they have now expanded to make more general. “Nature makes most small molecules the same way,” Burke says. “There are a small number of building blocks that are coupled together over and over again, using the same kind of chemistry in an iterative fashion.” That means small molecules are inherently modular. So when Burke's team analyzed the chemical structures of thousands of different natural products, patterns emerged. “There are building blocks that appear over and over again, and we've been able to dissect out the building blocks that are most common,” he says.
 
The small-molecule synthesizer that Burke's team built takes these building blocks – each with two chemical connectors that can be readily linked to the corresponding part on another building block -- and snaps them together like pop beads using a standard chemical reaction. The team used the approach to synthesize 14 different small molecules, ranging from relatively straightforward linear structures to densely folded molecules featuring several chemical rings.
 
Burke's team has developed hundreds of these chemical building blocks and made them commercially available. “But it's not really about the numbers,” he says. “We are showing that with a very reasonable number of building blocks we can make many different types of natural products.”
 
Burke says the technology is ready now to synthesize a range of very complex natural products, meaning the atom-by-atom modifications that researchers need to optimize these molecules into therapeutic compounds or technological tools are now accessible. He has founded a company, REVOLUTION Medicines, to use and continue to develop the technology for this purpose.
 
Ultimately, Burke says, he is excited about the opportunity to empower non-specialists – all kinds of scientists, engineers, medical doctors, and even the public – to produce small molecules. “When you put the power to manufacture into the hands of everyone, history speaks toward tremendous impact,” he says. “A 3D printer for molecules could allow us to harness all the creativity, innovation, and outside-the-box thinking that comes when non-experts start to use technology that used to only be in the hands of a select few.”

 
 
A Molecule-Making Machine


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« Reply #262 on: 09-04-2015, 09:46:34 »
Nakon što je onaj nesrećni čovek sa sobom u smrt odveo i pun avion nedužnih putnika i kolega, rasprave o tome potrebuju li komercijalni avioni uopšte pilota u samom avionu su se rasplamsale.

Njujork Tajmz:


Planes Without Pilots



Pa onda jedan malko stariji tekst:



NASA Advances Single-Pilot Operations Concepts


Asocijacija pilota:


http://www.alpa.org/Portals/Alpa/PressRoom/PressReleases/2015/140324-ALPA-AOSS-Statement.pdf

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« Reply #263 on: 13-04-2015, 07:32:14 »
Nanotehnologija na časnom zadatku - da nas poštede dosadnog, i u slučaju mnogih ljudi prezrenog posla pranja zuba:
 
 Plaque-busting nanoparticles could help fight tooth decay
 
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Nanotechnology might soon save you a trip to the dentist. Researchers have developed tiny sphere-shaped particles that ferry a payload of bacteria-slaying drugs to the surface of the teeth, where they fight plaque and tooth decay on the spot. The approach could also be adapted to combat other plaquelike substances, known as biofilms, such as those that form on medical devices like orthopedic implants.
"It's quite clever," says oral microbiologist Robert Allaker of Queen Mary University of London, who was not involved with the research. "I think it was an innovative piece of work."
Plaque is a film made up of bacteria and a matrix of polymers composed of linked sugars, which clings tenaciously to teeth. When bacteria digest sugars in the mouth, they produce acid as a byproduct, which eats away at teeth, eventually causing decay. Topical antibacterial drugs don’t work well on plaque because saliva quickly washes them away.
Nanoparticles can solve this problem by clinging to the surface of teeth and carrying drugs along with them. Although this is not the first technique to employ such a strategy, the research improves upon previous methods, because these particles attach not only to the tooth, but also to the plaque biofilm.
To build their nanoparticles, the researchers assembled spheres of polymers composed of two segments with different characteristics. The outer segments are positively charged, allowing the spheres to attach to negatively charged sites of both the plaque biofilms and tooth enamel. The inner core reacts to high acidity in the mouth, which loosens up the nanospheres and preferentially releases their contents—the antibacterial drug farnesol—in decay-prone regions where it’s needed most.
The researchers initially tested the nanoparticles by creating a laboratory setup that mimicked plaque-covered teeth, using disks of a mineral found in tooth enamel, and culturing them with Streptococcus mutans, bacteria commonly found in plaque and one of the main culprits behind tooth decay. The team found that treatment with farnesol-carrying nanoparticles weakened the plaque's grip. Using a specially designed device to shear plaque off the disks, the researchers removed more than twice as much plaque from surfaces treated with farnesol-carrying nanoparticles as compared with those treated with farnesol alone.
In separate tests on rats infected with S. mutans, the team found that twice-daily applications of the nanoparticles reduced the severity and number of cavities plaguing the rodents’ teeth. Applying farnesol alone had negligible impact, the researchers report in ACS Nano.
This is the first time such a technique has been shown to be effective in animals, notes pharmaceutical scientist Dong Wang of the University of Nebraska Medical Center in Omaha, who was not involved with the research. “That's a huge step forward.”
Still, the method does have possible drawbacks, Wang cautions. Because the nanoparticles attach to biofilms instead of just to teeth, they could also bombard biofilms on the tongue or elsewhere in the mouth, where they may have damaging effects on beneficial bacteria. “We want to kill the bad guys but we don’t want to wipe out those that are helping us,” he says.
On the other hand, because the nanoparticles are nondiscriminating in their attraction to biofilms, the method could be generalized for tackling other dangerous biofilms, for instance, those that form on orthopedic implants or catheters, Wang says.
Before the nanoparticles make their way onto pharmacy shelves, they first must pass muster in human tests. Because the nanoparticles would likely be swallowed after they've done their work, researchers would have to ensure they didn't cause any ill effects.
Still, "it’s exciting to think about the possibilities,” says biomedical engineer Danielle Benoit of the University of Rochester in New York, one of the senior authors on the study. She suggests that these nanoparticles could be added to mouthwash, toothpaste, or gels that would be applied to the teeth. “We really believe that given a couple weeks [or months] of treatment, you would be able to get rid of the biofilm altogether,” reducing the need for dentists to scrape away plaque, Benoit says, “which would be awesome.”
 

 
Naravno, ovo ne bi sasvim ugasilo zubarsku profesiju, ali nanelo bi joj ozbiljne gubitke.

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« Reply #264 on: 16-04-2015, 10:32:41 »
Možda je već bilo, i možda je off topic ovde, ali:

Clothing Of The Future - Clothing in The Year 2000
Blijedi čovjek na tragu pervertita.
To je ta nezadrživa napaljenost mladosti.
Dušman u odsustvu Dušmana.

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« Reply #265 on: 17-04-2015, 09:36:21 »
Kompjuteri veličine zrna prašine su... stvarnost!



The Crazy-Tiny Next Generation of Computers

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« Reply #266 on: 23-04-2015, 08:32:51 »

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« Reply #267 on: 01-05-2015, 17:26:59 »
Elon Musk predstavio powerwall (za kuće) i powerpack (za industriju), ogromne baterije koje u sklopu sa solarnim panelima omogućuju veću dozu nezavisnosti od postojeće električne mreže. Slažem se da je to budućnost, i Elonu svaka čast, ali šta ćemo da radimo sa otpadnim litijumom kad ovim baterijama istekne rok...

Elon Musk Debuts the Tesla Powerwall

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« Reply #268 on: 01-05-2015, 20:58:15 »
kad istekne rok, potopiti u ocean; nista nije dovoljno otrovno koliko ocean velik, sve ostalo bajke.

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« Reply #269 on: 02-05-2015, 08:02:56 »
Elon Musk predstavio powerwall (za kuće) i powerpack (za industriju), ogromne baterije koje u sklopu sa solarnim panelima omogućuju veću dozu nezavisnosti od postojeće električne mreže. Slažem se da je to budućnost, i Elonu svaka čast, ali šta ćemo da radimo sa otpadnim litijumom kad ovim baterijama istekne rok...



   
E to je zanimljivo a i vrlo škakljiva tema, sećam se jednog davnog seminarčića na kom su ljudi upozoravali da će država morati da se od samog početka ugradi u proces, to makar regulativno, upravo zbog mehanizma reciklaže. Znači ili da ga sufinancira, pa ga tako napravi poželjnim, ili da ga… hm, regulatorno prisili da postoji, jelte, što je taj škakljivi deo. Jer to je bumerang efekt, posledica poteza u kom sve skupe sirovine u svom proizvodu zameniš jeftinijim, pa onda sa jedne strane dobiješ jeftiniji finalni proizvod koji je tako pristupačniji kupcima, ali sa druge strane time ubiješ njegovu reciklažnu vrednost, jer trošak oko same reciklaže postane veći od cene koju bi produkt reciklaže mogao da stekne. Otud niko nema ekonomskog interesa da se reciklažom zapravo bavi, a država se nađe u nezavidnoj situaciji da mora rešavati problem iako nije taj luk ni jela ni mirisala. I to je ta vidovitost koja se tako tražila od država, da učestvuju u tome od samog početka, jer eventualno će morati, ionako. Znam da američki Department of Energy ima pristojan fond na raspolaganju za ohrabrivanje reciklaže za litijumske baterije, ali može im se, pa imaju. Ostatak sveta će morati da reaguje kad problem postane kritičan.

A najškakljiviji deo je izgleda upravo sama reciklažna industrija, jer ako je verovati izvesnim statistikama osiguravajućih institucija, ona kao da sve više poprima čisto mafioznu prirodu. U delovina sveta gde je zakon labaviji, reciklažna industrija sve više postaje sindikat za krađu infrastrukture koja je baš u tim zemljama slabo zaštićena, što zbog manjka para za logistiku kontrole teritorije, što zbog silnog entuzijazma sa kojim je na brzinu postavljana.
 
 
 

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« Reply #270 on: 02-05-2015, 22:16:00 »
Odakle toliki litijum?
Why shouldn't things be largely absurd, futile, and transitory? They are so, and we are so, and they and we go very well together.

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« Reply #271 on: 02-05-2015, 22:40:08 »
Iz Kine valjda. Vade ga vrlo zelenim metodama...

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« Reply #272 on: 02-05-2015, 22:42:06 »
Kratka pitanja uvek dobiju dugačke odgovore.


Isto je kao kad bi pitao odakle plastične kese? Pitaš tek kad se pretvore u đubre. Dotle su besmisleno jeftine.
Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. - Mark Twain.

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« Reply #273 on: 02-05-2015, 22:56:11 »
Ispravka, najviše litijuma ima u Čileu i Australiji, ali pretpostavlja se da ga ima podosta u Boliviji, pa i u SAD. Jedan rudnik u SAD autoputem je spojen direktno s fabrikom.

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« Reply #274 on: 04-05-2015, 09:14:46 »
The birth of the weather forecast



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The man who invented the weather forecast in the 1860s faced scepticism and even mockery. But science was on his side, writes Peter Moore.
One hundred and fifty years ago Admiral Robert FitzRoy, the celebrated sailor and founder of the Met Office, took his own life. One newspaper reported the news of his death as a "sudden and shocking catastrophe".
Today FitzRoy is chiefly remembered as Charles Darwin's taciturn captain on HMS Beagle, during the famous circumnavigation in the 1830s. But in his lifetime FitzRoy found celebrity not from his time at sea but from his pioneering daily weather predictions, which he called by a new name of his own invention - "forecasts".
There was no such thing as a weather forecast in 1854 when FitzRoy established what would later be called the Met Office. Instead the Meteorological Department of the Board of Trade was founded as a chart depot, intended to reduce sailing times with better wind charts.
With no forecasts, fishermen, farmers and others who worked in the open had to rely on weather wisdom - the appearance of clouds or the behaviour of animals - to tell them what was coming. This was an odd scenario - that a bull in a farmer's field, a frog in a jar or a swallow in a hedge-row could detect a coming storm before a man of science in his laboratory was an affront to Victorian notions of rational progress.


Yet the early 19th Century had seen several important theoretical advances. Among them was an understanding of how storms functioned, with winds whirling in an anticlockwise direction around a point of low pressure.
Weather charts, another innovation, made it easier to visualise the atmosphere in motion. One influential theory argued that storms occurred along unstable fault lines between hot and cold air masses, just as we know earthquakes today happen on the boundaries of tectonic plates.
But despite this, the belief persisted among many that weather was completely chaotic. When one MP suggested in the Commons in 1854 that recent advances in scientific theory might soon allow them to know the weather in London "twenty-four hours beforehand", the House roared with laughter.


But FitzRoy was troubled by the massive loss of life at sea around the coasts of Victorian Britain. Between 1855 and 1860, 7,402 ships were wrecked off the coasts with a total of 7,201 lost lives. FitzRoy believed that with forewarning, many of these could have been saved.
After the disastrous sinking of the Royal Charter gold ship off Anglesey in 1859 he was given the authority to start issuing storm warnings.
FitzRoy was able to do this using the electric telegraph, a bewildering new technology that, the Daily News observed, "far outstrips the swiftest tempest in celerity".
With the telegraph network expanding quickly, FitzRoy was able to start gathering real-time weather data from the coasts at his London office. If he thought a storm was imminent, he could telegraph a port where a drum was raised in the harbour. It was, he said, "a race to warn the outpost before the gale reaches them".The Times weather forecast for 1 August 1861
The temperature in London was to be 62F (16.7C), clear with a south-westerly wind
The temperature in Liverpool was to be 61F, very cloudy with a light south-westerly wind
It was to be overcast in  Nairn,Portsmouth and Dover with the latter predicted to hit a pleasant 70F, the same as Lisbon
The forecast also covered Copenhagen, Helder, Brest and BayonneFitzRoy's storm warnings began in 1860 and his general forecasts followed the next year - stating the probable weather for two days ahead.
For FitzRoy the forecasts were a by-product of his storm warnings. As he was analysing atmospheric data anyway, he reasoned that he might as well forward his conclusions - fine, fair, rainy or stormy - on to the newspapers for publication. "Prophecies and predictions they are not," he wrote, "the term forecast is strictly applicable to such an opinion as is the result of scientific combination and calculation."
For years the public had read quack weather prognostications in almanacs, but this was the first time that predictions had been sanctioned by government. First published in The Times in 1861 and syndicated in titles across Britain, they soon became fantastically popular.
Following a particularly successful forecast, satirical magazine Punch anointed FitzRoy their new "Clerk of the Weather" and suggested he should henceforth be known as "The First Admiral of the Blew".
The forecasts soon became a quirk of this brave new Victorian society. Their appeal instantly stretched beyond just fishermen and sailors. Organisers of country fairs, fetes and flower shows obsessed over them. They had a particular appeal for the horseracing classes who used the predictions to help them pick their outfits or lay their bets.


But calculated by hand on threadbare data, the forecasts were often awry. In April 1862 the newspapers reported: "Admiral FitzRoy's weather prophecies in the Times have been creating considerable amusement during these recent April days, as a set off to the drenchings we've had to endure. April has been playing with him roughly, to show that she at least can flout the calculations of science, whatever the other months might do."
Reporting on the biggest date in the sporting calendar, the Derby, a month later, The Age wrote: "With what eagerness in every quarter was the meteorological column consulted in the newspapers where Admiral FitzRoy records the forecast of the weather, and with what satisfaction did the experienced interpreters of the prediction see that he had set down for the south of England - 'Wind SSW  to WNW moderate to fresh, some showers', which of course indicated that it would be a remarkably fine day, and that the umbrellas might be left behind."


But often FitzRoy was surprisingly accurate and when he was mistaken he replied to his critics - "those whose hats have been spoilt from umbrellas being omitted" - through the letter pages of the Times.
This willingness to engage increased his popularity and solidified his reputation as a daring and gallant scientist. Over the next years a prize racehorse was named in his honour, as was a ship, and on one occasion Queen Victoria sent her messengers to his house to find out if the weather was going to be calm for her crossing to Osborne House on the Isle of Wight.
Some papers suggested commercial uses for the forecasts. When French tightrope walker Charles Blondin arrived in London, proposing to traverse a wire over the Crystal Palace, Punch urged the organisers to charge extra for tickets in bad weather.
"The circumstance of a windy day must add very much to the excitement which is occasioned by Mr Blondin's terrific ascent. Admiral FitzRoy's 'forecasts' in the Times would generally enable them to anticipate the day before. When he is dancing on the tight-rope in a tempest, his spectators should give the space under his rope a wide berth."
But for all the light-hearted quips, FitzRoy faced more serious difficulties. Some politicians complained about the cost of the telegraphing back and forth. The scientific community were sceptical of his methods. While the majority of fishermen were supportive, others begrudged a day's lost catch to a mistaken signal.


A typical complaint was filed in the Cork Examiner. "Yesterday, at two o'clock, we received by telegraph Admiral FitzRoy's signal of a southerly gale. The gallant meteorologist might have sent it by post, as the gale had commenced the day before and concluded fully twelve hours before the receipt of the warning."
To compensate, FitzRoy worked harder than ever to decode the British weather. He published a book and gave lectures, but by 1865, with his critics in full voice, he was exhausted and beset by the return of an old depressive condition.
He retired from his west London home to Norwood, south of the capital, for a period of rest but he struggled to recover. The last forecast of his lifetime was published in his absence on 29 April 1865. It predicted thunder storms over London.


The following morning FitzRoy got out of bed to get ready for church. He kissed his daughter as he walked to his dressing room. Then he turned the key in the lock, and killed himself.
At the time it seemed that FitzRoy's forecasting project had ended in failure. But today his vision of a public forecasting service, funded by government for the benefit of all, is fundamental to our way of life.
His department, which began with a staff of three, now employs more than 1,500 people and has an annual budget of more than £80m. Perhaps the most fitting tribute came in 2002 when one of the BBC's iconic shipping forecast regions was renamed from Finisterre to FitzRoy in his honour.
Dame Julia Slingo, the Met Office's current chief scientist explains: "FitzRoy was really ahead of his time. He was not mistaken or eccentric, he was just at the start of a very long journey, one that continues today in the Met Office."
Peter Moore is the author of The Weather Experiment

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« Reply #275 on: 04-05-2015, 09:26:54 »
Nego, vidite li vi ovo:  :P

Pseudoscience in the Witness Box



The FBI faked an entire field of forensic science.







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« Reply #276 on: 04-05-2015, 09:42:51 »
Forenzika postaje fantastika. Da li ćemo TV serijale kao "CSI" (i njegove spinove) i "Bones" sada preseliti u SF?
Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. - Mark Twain.

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« Reply #277 on: 02-06-2015, 08:57:22 »
Mali vodič koji se bavi time koliko je verovatno da vaš posao u bliskoj budućnosti preuzme robot:


Will Your Job Be Done By A Machine?

Ja sam relativno bezbedan  :lol:

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Re: živimo SF
« Reply #278 on: 02-06-2015, 09:17:39 »
Zameniće te neki Call Center. A za bubnjeve već postoje aplikacije.

Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. - Mark Twain.

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Re: živimo SF
« Reply #279 on: 02-06-2015, 09:19:01 »
Ja sam bezbedan. Onaj majmun još nije iskuckao Šekspira.

Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. - Mark Twain.

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« Reply #280 on: 02-06-2015, 09:34:41 »
Dajmo mu još nekoliko stotina godina i izdržljivu pisaću mašinu.  :lol:


Doduše, kako si ti ipak napisao količinski manje strana nego Šekspir, nije isključeno da, čisto u domenu verovatnoće, majmunima treba znatno manje vremena da nasumično udarajući u tipke, iskucaju tvoja sabrana dela. Ne opuštajmo se, Skalope, kada vidimo majmuna da udara u mašinu, dobacimo mu neku igračku da mu skrenemo pažnju i odgodimo neodložno još koji milenijum!!!!!!


Mog posla ni nema na ovim listama, ali upoređujući uslovno rečeno slične stvari, rekao bih da sam za sada bezbedan jer algoritmi još uvek nisu uznapredovali do te mere da mogu da uspešno rade te neke, ajde da kažem, kreativnije elemente mog posla. Dakle, dizajn projekata, odabir indikatora, monitoring planovi, narativno izveštavanje bla bla bla, nije to neka nauka ali zahteva sintetičko razmišljanje u kome mašine još uvek nisu sjajne. No, nećemo se opuštati. Ja sa godinama svakako ne postajem pametniji, a mašine, naprotiv, postaju pametnije svakog tjedna.

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« Reply #281 on: 02-06-2015, 09:43:37 »
Bi li se ti kladio ko je napisao više strana teksta, Šekspir ili ja?
Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. - Mark Twain.

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« Reply #282 on: 02-06-2015, 09:56:55 »
Bih, naravno!!!!!!!!!!!!

Evo, šekspir je, vele napisao 884,421 reči u svim svojim dramama.* Sad ti prebroj reči u svojim sabranim delima pa da ga, jelte, merimo.Ko pobedi, onaj drugi mu sprema ručak   :lol:







* Druga procena kaže 884,647 ali hajde da idemo sa nižom, da bude lakše da ga stigneš.

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« Reply #283 on: 02-06-2015, 10:20:42 »
Vidiš kako je lako prevariti se. Onako ofrlje, samo u SF-u imam objavljeno oko 750 000 reči. Ne zaboravi da sam skoro trideset godina imao dva do tri rada u VTI. A, baš bih voleo da ti spremim ručak. :lol:
Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. - Mark Twain.

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« Reply #284 on: 02-06-2015, 10:56:47 »
Pa, ne računamo valjda i tvoje naučne radove???  :-? :-? :-? Mislio sam samo da se bavimo samo umetničkim delom tvog opusa, jer, ipak, onda sigurno i Šekspiru možemo da pripisujemo razne dopise koje je pisao administraciji  :lol:

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« Reply #285 on: 02-06-2015, 11:05:15 »
u svim svojim dramama

Heh. Pa nećemo valjda smetnuti s uma da su ipak najbolji i najvredniji njegovi soneti? :|

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Re: živimo SF
« Reply #286 on: 02-06-2015, 11:07:39 »
ko bi reko da će scallop toliko da zapinje samo da bi jeo tofu :)

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Re: živimo SF
« Reply #287 on: 02-06-2015, 11:11:03 »

Doduše, kako si ti ipak napisao količinski manje strana nego Šekspir


Ko je pomenuo samo umetnički deo?


I ne vređaj me sa "dopisima". Jesi li ikada video nešto što je naučni ili stručni rad? Svaki ima svoju priču i jedina razlika je što nema prideva.
Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. - Mark Twain.

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Re: živimo SF
« Reply #288 on: 02-06-2015, 11:14:22 »
ko bi reko da će scallop toliko da zapinje samo da bi jeo tofu :)


Sve za slavu. Ma, jeo bih i košer samo da mu doakam. xfrog
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Re: živimo SF
« Reply #289 on: 02-06-2015, 11:15:03 »
Ma, dobro, mogu da mu spremim i pilav sa vrganjima. Tu sam jak.

u svim svojim dramama

Heh. Pa nećemo valjda smetnuti s uma da su ipak najbolji i najvredniji njegovi soneti? :-|

Actually, ja sam napisao "dramama" ali stranica sa koje sam uzeo cifru kaže " in Shakespeare's 43 works." što nije najjasnije, jer isti sajt ima manji broj njegovih drama ali mnogo veći broj soneta da bi se cifra od 43 razumela... Ko će ih pohvatati?



Doduše, kako si ti ipak napisao količinski manje strana nego Šekspir


Ko je pomenuo samo umetnički deo?


I ne vređaj me sa "dopisima". Jesi li ikada video nešto što je naučni ili stručni rad? Svaki ima svoju priču i jedina razlika je što nema prideva.


O, naravno da sam video nešto što je naučni ili stručni rad. Juče sam učestvovao u pisanju jednog (ali ću biti nepotpisan jer nemam akademsku istoriju i služio sam kao ghostwriter). I uopšte nisam sporio da treba znati pisati i kad pišeš naučni rad (mada mnogi, naravno, ne znaju), samo sam mislio da pričamo pre svega o konvencionalnije umetničkim uratcima. Jer se kod Šekspira statistika dotiče samo njih.

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Re: živimo SF
« Reply #290 on: 02-06-2015, 11:20:30 »
Ma, dobro, mogu da mu spremim i pilav sa vrganjima. Tu sam jak.

u svim svojim dramama

Heh. Pa nećemo valjda smetnuti s uma da su ipak najbolji i najvredniji njegovi soneti? :-|

Actually, ja sam napisao "dramama" ali stranica sa koje sam uzeo cifru kaže " in Shakespeare's 43 works." što nije najjasnije, jer isti sajt ima manji broj njegovih drama ali mnogo veći broj soneta da bi se cifra od 43 razumela... Ko će ih pohvatati?

Pa, Linkin. Kako ko? 8-)

Evo šta kaže link koji si već kačio, po žanrovima:

Tragedije - 289,628 reči (32.7% od ukupnog)
Komedije -283,011 reči (32.0% od ukupnog)
Istorijski komadi - 263,358 reči (29.8% od ukupnog)
Pesme - 30,909 words (3.5% od ukupnog)
Soneti - 17,515 words (2.0% od ukupnog)

Dakle, sve su uračunali.  :)

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Re: živimo SF
« Reply #291 on: 02-06-2015, 11:23:16 »
Misliš da se Šekspir bavio i naučnim istraživanjem? Ah, da nisam uračunao ni scenarija za stripove, a da ne pominjem ghostwriting. Tek tu sam nenadjebiv.
Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. - Mark Twain.

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Re: živimo SF
« Reply #292 on: 02-06-2015, 11:25:56 »


Evo šta kaže link koji si već kačio, po žanrovima:

Tragedije - 289,628 reči (32.7% od ukupnog)
Komedije -283,011 reči (32.0% od ukupnog)
Istorijski komadi - 263,358 reči (29.8% od ukupnog)
Pesme - 30,909 words (3.5% od ukupnog)
Soneti - 17,515 words (2.0% od ukupnog)

Dakle, sve su uračunali.  :)

Da, ali ako sabereš drame, sonete, pesme itd. dobija se veća cifra od 43, pa moj mozak tu implodira.

Misliš da se Šekspir bavio i naučnim istraživanjem? Ah, da nisam uračunao ni scenarija za stripove, a da ne pominjem ghostwriting. Tek tu sam nenadjebiv.

Ne znam ja šta je on sve još pisao izvan umetničke sfere, ali siguran sam da je pisao brojna pisma drugima po narudžbini i ko zna šta još. Ako krenemo da računamo sve to živo i ghostwriting, izlazimo izvan domena prebrojivih reči ili stranica i džaba nam poređenje.  :(

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Re: živimo SF
« Reply #293 on: 02-06-2015, 11:32:53 »
Nemoj da smetneš s uma da si ti počeo da porediš Šekspira i jednog Radmila Anđelkovića (što je velika čast). Ja sam samo pokušao da ti podignem svest o tome šta imaš na forumu.
Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. - Mark Twain.

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Re: živimo SF
« Reply #294 on: 02-06-2015, 11:37:56 »
Šekspir realno ima mnogo veći problem nego ghostwriting, a to je da mu se autorstvo dovodi u pitanje. Ako pretpostavite da je Šekspirova dela napisao neki drugi čovek, recimo Edvard de Vere, grof od Oksvorda, kao u filmu Anoniman (2011) onda zbrajanjem Šekspirovih i de Verovih karaktera može se doći do daleko veće cifre.

Ali, predlažem da ipak toliko ne sitničarite. scallop je ipak u jednoj očiglednoj prednosti na Šekspirom: njegovo delo još nije završeno. Šekspir je ipak odavno rekao sve šta je imao.  :mrgreen:

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Re: živimo SF
« Reply #295 on: 02-06-2015, 11:40:51 »
Nemoj da smetneš s uma da si ti počeo da porediš Šekspira i jednog Radmila Anđelkovića (što je velika čast). Ja sam samo pokušao da ti podignem svest o tome šta imaš na forumu.

Ko da ja ne znam šta imamo na forumu. Ja sam ipak tvoje radove čitao još osamdesetih godina, kada dobar broj današnjih forumskih učesnika još nije znao ni da čita ili se još nije ni rodio.

Šekspir realno ima mnogo veći problem nego ghostwriting, a to je da mu se autorstvo dovodi u pitanje. Ako pretpostavite da je Šekspirova dela napisao neki drugi čovek, recimo Edvard de Vere, grof od Oksvorda, kao u filmu Anoniman (2011) onda zbrajanjem Šekspirovih i de Verovih karaktera može se doći do daleko veće cifre.

Ali, predlažem da ipak toliko ne sitničarite. scallop je ipak u jednoj očiglednoj prednosti na Šekspirom: njegovo delo još nije završeno. Šekspir je ipak odavno rekao sve šta je imao.  :mrgreen:

Isztina. Da odgodimo ovu raspravu dok Skalop ne objavi da završava svoju spisateljsku karijeru. Možda do tada i postane vegetarijanac pa se poraduje i tofuu  :lol:

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Re: živimo SF
« Reply #296 on: 02-06-2015, 11:43:32 »
A oduzimanjem de Vereovih od Šekspirovih? A Scallop se ne poredi sa Šekspirom. Nemoguće je. Ali može sa svim ostalim primercima ZS.
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Re: živimo SF
« Reply #297 on: 02-06-2015, 11:48:48 »
Pa, dobro ovde smo poredili samo kvantitet, ne bih ja baš na svoju neznalačku grbaču preuzeo poređenja vaših umetničkih dometa. Mnogo bi bilo.  :lol:

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Re: živimo SF
« Reply #298 on: 02-06-2015, 11:52:33 »
Ovo znam napamet preko 55 godina i ne da se nadjebati:


SONNET 55

Not marble, nor the gilded monuments
Of princes, shall outlive this powerful rhyme;
But you shall shine more bright in these contents
Than unswept stone, besmear'd with sluttish time.
 
When wasteful war shall statues overturn,
And broils root out the work of masonry,
Nor Mars his sword nor war's quick fire shall burn
The living record of your memory.
 
'Gainst death and all-oblivious enmity
Shall you pace forth; your praise shall still find room
Even in the eyes of all posterity
 
That wear this world out to the ending doom.
So, till the judgment that yourself arise,
You live in this, and dwell in lovers' eyes.
Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. - Mark Twain.

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Re: živimo SF
« Reply #299 on: 02-06-2015, 13:32:40 »
I, sad? Dal' ja jedem Mehin tofu ili on moju jaretinu iz rerne? Ili da prepustimo da odluče Pizzabata i Ridiculus?
Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. - Mark Twain.