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Gwydion

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Star Trek
« on: 18-09-2009, 23:20:15 »
Neverovatno je da se na SF forumu ne priča o Star Trek. Na stranu to što HRT trenutno vrti Voyager, ono što je ultra aktuelno je ovaj novi Star Trek film i svakodnevne vesti koje se javljaju o moguća sledeća dva filma koji bi se verovatno nadovezali na pomenuti. Dakle kako to da nikog ne interesuje da li je taj novi film dobar, ili da je samo skup akcionih scena bez neke konkretne priče?

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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #1 on: 18-09-2009, 23:41:56 »
Gledaćemo ih. U bioskopu. Čekamo. Strpljenjem Vulkanca.

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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #2 on: 19-09-2009, 00:06:15 »
Mene ne zanima da nešto diskutujem o tome, mada sam gledao i gledaću.
Why shouldn't things be largely absurd, futile, and transitory? They are so, and we are so, and they and we go very well together.

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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #3 on: 19-09-2009, 00:10:26 »
Novi Star Trek je zanimljiv i zabavan, ali ni mene nešto ne zanima da sad o tome diskutujem. Inače, nešto malo se o filmu pričalo na crippled corneru, ali mislim da niko nije pokretao zasebni topik... Kad je novi SF u pitanju mene mnogo više zanima District 9 (o kome se ovde pisalo i pisaće se, ja čekam bioskop), pa zatim The Road, Moon, Avatar...
"Ernest Hemingway once wrote: "The world is a fine place and worth fighting for." I agree with the second part."

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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #4 on: 19-09-2009, 00:14:26 »
Izgleda da su ovde brojniji Warsovci, o SW ima nekoliko topika :)
Why shouldn't things be largely absurd, futile, and transitory? They are so, and we are so, and they and we go very well together.

Gwydion

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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #5 on: 19-09-2009, 00:20:15 »
Xe, xe... vidim ja Trekiji su karakterističniji, očigledno, za Vojvodinu i Novi Sad, nego za ovaj forum... no šta je tu je.

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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #6 on: 19-09-2009, 22:35:37 »
Mene ne zanima da nešto diskutujem o tome, mada sam gledao i gledaću.

Zašto se onda javljaš?Ispunjavaš kvotu za "administratora"?Ili Klepetuša?-:)
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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #7 on: 20-09-2009, 02:23:37 »
Ja sad kao treba nešto da ti odgovorim?
Why shouldn't things be largely absurd, futile, and transitory? They are so, and we are so, and they and we go very well together.

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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #8 on: 20-09-2009, 10:28:48 »
Najoblji je serijal sa Spockom.
Mudraci će biti osramoćeni, prestravljeni i uhvaćeni u zamku. Gle, oni prezreše riječ Jahvinu! A njihova mudrost - što im koristi? - Jr 8,9

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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #9 on: 20-09-2009, 10:33:01 »
Najoblji je serijal sa Spockom.
Najobliji? Pa tad su baš svi bili žgoljavi!
Why shouldn't things be largely absurd, futile, and transitory? They are so, and we are so, and they and we go very well together.

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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #10 on: 20-09-2009, 14:27:20 »
Bolji je, mislim, serijal sa Enterprajzom.
"Realism is a literary technique no longer adequate for the purpose of representing reality."

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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #11 on: 20-09-2009, 14:46:51 »
Ma ok su svi.  Meni je recimo najbolja prica u Voyageru, najbolji efekti u Enterpriseu, serijal sa Picardom mi je legendaran i najvise popularizuje Star Trek, originalna serija je remek delo sa istorijskog aspekta, DS9 je eto, ako nista drugo, a bar zelja da se prikaze i svet Star treka i van medjuzvezdanih brodova.

Mudraci će biti osramoćeni, prestravljeni i uhvaćeni u zamku. Gle, oni prezreše riječ Jahvinu! A njihova mudrost - što im koristi? - Jr 8,9

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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #12 on: 22-09-2009, 12:18:54 »
Evo ga i dvd rip filma. Najzad.

Star Trek *XviD*    iMBT
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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #13 on: 22-09-2009, 13:03:05 »
beoše staze još juče sa sve posterom. http://www.znaksagite.com/diskusije/index.php?topic=7691.150

al im se niko ne zaradova. :roll:

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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #14 on: 22-09-2009, 17:57:56 »
Indikativno :)
Why shouldn't things be largely absurd, futile, and transitory? They are so, and we are so, and they and we go very well together.

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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #15 on: 23-09-2009, 14:13:26 »
Gledao ga sinoć... JJ Abrams je podigao Trekije iz mrtvih i napravio odličnu podlogu za gomilu novih epizoda serije, naravno i drugi deo koji se verovatno priprema. Scenografija u nekim scenama izuzetno podseća na pogon neke pivare sa sve cisternama a u stvari je (kao) pogon Enterprajsa, što me je jako razveselilo i nateralo da par takvih scena vratim unazad... Svejedno, nije moja šoljica čaja ali nije ni mega-tragično, pravi blockbuster za američko a verovatno i šire tržište...
Dark Side - that s where the energy is, the passion. People are afraid of it because it contains stuff they are busy denying...

Gwydion

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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #16 on: 23-09-2009, 16:40:24 »
Gledao ga sinoć... JJ Abrams je podigao Trekije iz mrtvih i napravio odličnu podlogu za gomilu novih epizoda serije, naravno i drugi deo koji se verovatno priprema. Scenografija u nekim scenama izuzetno podseća na pogon neke pivare sa sve cisternama a u stvari je (kao) pogon Enterprajsa, što me je jako razveselilo i nateralo da par takvih scena vratim unazad... Svejedno, nije moja šoljica čaja ali nije ni mega-tragično, pravi blockbuster za američko a verovatno i šire tržište...

Ne da se verovatno priprema. već je to sasvim izvesno i snimaće se 2011. Roberto Orci i Alex Kurtzman su čak najavili da se će naredna dva filma verovatno vezati pričom, tj nadovezati, na ovaj trenutno aktuelni.  .

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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #17 on: 23-09-2009, 16:58:56 »
Nisam ispratio ali verujem ti u potpunosti. Može se provaliti da je film i pravljen sa jasnom namerom da se iznova oživi priča i maksimalno poveća merchandizing i eksploatacija glavnih likova. Što se mene tiče, očekujem puno OVAKVIH momenata  xrofl
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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #18 on: 24-09-2009, 02:36:29 »

nisam toliki fan Star treka ali ovaj novi sam potpuno odlepio,gledao vise puta u bioskopu.. nedostaje mi da jos jednom pogledam .. po meni najbolji sf film u poslednjih mnoooogo godina :) ..ne mogu docekati nastavke,postao sam veliki fan aaaaAAA :evil:

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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #19 on: 24-09-2009, 09:30:03 »
Star Trek je najdosadnija sf serija ikada, a ti 'filmovi' su još dosadniji od Star Warts serijala, ako je to uopšte zamislivo, tako da - couldn't possibly humanly or inhumanly care any LESS za bilo šta trekersko!

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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #20 on: 24-09-2009, 10:30:12 »
Meni je novi film vrh, a čoveka kome je baš sve iz Star Trek franšize dosadno mogu samo da sažaljevam. Obrati pažnju na ocenu koju novi film ima na RT. Trebalo bi da ga odgledaš makar zato da ne budeš neobavešten.

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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #21 on: 24-09-2009, 10:38:50 »
...nisam ljubitelj (a ni poznavalac) TV serijala i rukavaca, ali me je poslednji film oduševio (svoje ushićenje sam pretočio i u reči - http://www.popboks.com/tekst.php?ID=7407), a ne bih voleo ni da sa uma smetnemo vrlo, vrlo dobri Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan (1982) Nicholsa Meyera - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0084726/)...
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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #22 on: 24-09-2009, 10:54:26 »
mac:
šta će meni sada
tvoje sažaljenje
kad leš mr spoka
leži kraj star-reke...

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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #23 on: 24-09-2009, 17:21:59 »
mac:
šta će meni sada
tvoje sažaljenje
kad leš mr spoka
leži kraj star-reke...

Defformero kao odgovor .... Pazi, u filmu postoje čak 2 Spoka po ceni jedne karte  xrofl
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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #24 on: 03-02-2010, 12:35:25 »
Raumpatrouille Orion

To the very limited extent that the German science fiction series Raumpatrouille Orion (full English title: Space Patrol – The Fantastic Adventures of the Starship Orion) is known in my own United States, it tends to be the victim of a certain unfair association. On those pitifully rare occasions when it’s mentioned, it’s seldom without being compared unfavorably to Star Trek – and sometimes even referred to as “The German Star Trek“, usually in the dismissive tone reserved for inferior foreign copies of iconic American brands. That Raumpatrouille is an imitation of Star Trek is unlikely, given that the series made its debut on German television within just two weeks of Trek’s initial bow in America (and quite a few years before Captain Kirk and company would make it to the German airwaves). And while the series does share some striking similarities with Trek, those ultimately just serve to highlight some even more striking differences.



Long in planning, and finally kick-started by the participation of French TV network ORTF (who had sequences with French actors shot for inclusion in the French broadcasts of the show) Raumpatrouille was produced between 1965 and 1966, and it holds the distinction of being the first science fiction series made for German television. Due to the prohibitive cost of producing the show, it was decided to terminate its run after only seven episodes, though not before a rousing finale, tying up all of the shows ongoing narrative threads, could be produced. Rebroadcasts of the show in the eighties and nineties generated a cult following in its country of origin, and allowed the aging cast to supplement their income with appearances at conventions and on nostalgia-themed TV shows. This resurgence also lead, in 2003, to the production of a theatrical film compiling footage from the show, Raumpatrouille Orion – Rucksturz ins Kino (English title: Space Patrol – Back from the Future), as well as the release of the series on German DVD.

Raumpatrouille Orion – Rucksturz ins Kino is not the best way to experience Raumpatrouille, but it is, for English speakers, the most accessible, given that it’s currently the only legitimately available form in which the series can be found on English subtitled DVD. The feature unwisely makes its task of condensing the series’ combined seven-hour running time into a scant ninety minutes even more of a challenge by including newly shot footage. This footage takes the form of news broadcasts (complete with unfunny commercial parodies) that frame brief narrated clips from the show. While providing some awkward exposition, these segments seem mainly intended to unnecessarily underscore the series’ kitsch elements (which are pretty in-your-face as is without anyone having to point them out), sadly doing so at the expense of maintaining narrative momentum. Still, after a somewhat jerky first half, Rucksturz ins Kino finally settles in and gives us most of the series’ gripping final episode intact and uninterrupted. As it is, the film comes off as more of a highlights reel of the series, rather than a distillation of it, but should still give the curious a good taste of what it’s all about. Furthermore, even in this truncated form, Raumpatrouille’s colorful cast of characters–its greatest asset, I think–manages to come across loud and clear (especially loud).

Rucksturz ins Kino begins, as does the series, with the introduction of the high-speed space cruiser Orion and her crew. As with Star Trek’s Enterprise, the Orion hails from a future Earth where harmony between the nations has lead to the formation of a unified world government. Also as with the Enterprise, that harmony is reflected in the international make-up of the ship’s crew. It should be pointed out, however, that those crew members–whether intended to be Japanese, French or Italian–are all portrayed by pasty Caucasian actors speaking in–to my untrained ears, at least–their perfect, unaccented native German. At the head of this not-so-rainbow coalition is Commander Cliff McLane: an American!

It is with the introduction of McLane (portrayed by German actor Dietmar Schoneherr) that the first resounding break with anything but an accidental resemblance to Trek occurs. For, unlike the Enterprise, whose officers have risen through the ranks over years of proud service to a benevolent authority, the Orion has a commander who appears to exist in stubborn opposition to authority in every form. In fact, when we meet McClane, we learn that his and his crew’s assignment to space patrol duty is actually a punishment–a demotion from combat duty–for the latest in a long series of thrill-seeking, rule-flaunting escapades. Throughout the series, McClane greets such official rebukes with a response drawn from a well honed repertoire of smirks, shrugs and dryly sarcastic retorts, indicating that, no matter what he’s told, he’s going to do what he wants–sometimes, as we’ll see, when it’s not even the sensible course of action, but rather out of a churlish need to simply have things his own way. Of course, authority, as it’s presented in Raumpatrouille, is wholly deserving of such contempt, as McClane’s government superiors are usually too bogged down in bureaucracy and internecine battles to act effectively, forcing him again and again to take decisive action without their approval. (In this sense, McClane is sort of like a more infantile Dirty Harry to Captain Kirk’s Joe Friday.)

As for McLane’s loyal subordinates, the booze-swilling party animals who make up the rest of the Orion’s crew provide a perfect compliment to her commander. (In fact, one higher-up refers to them collectively as “McLane and his gang”.) As adept at eye rolling, smirking and making snarky rejoinders as their leader, they seem to spend all of their leave time getting plastered in the swank-tastic cocktail lounge located in the patrol’s undersea base. (That lounge, called the Starlight Casino, is one of the series’ most memorable visual treats, complete with a glass ceiling that provides a view of some unaccountably gargantuan tropical fish – though I don’t recall there ever being any explanation given for the base being on the ocean floor). Though capable of heroic action, they are no heroes; On one occasion, when McClane proposes a plan that will save the entire human race at the expense of the Orion and all souls on board, his subordinates loudly refuse, and he is forced to devise a way for them to escape before they will agree to the plan and save the world. Overall, one gets the sense that, while the Orion does somehow run, it never does so smoothly, and only through a process that involves a lot of shouting, heckling and gnashing of teeth. Still, thanks to the uniformly high standard of acting on the part of the cast, the crews’ affection for–and devotion to–one another is always palpable.

Rounding out the Orion’s personnel is a security officer who has been assigned by McLane’s superiors to keep a watch on the unpredictable skipper and report back regarding any infractions. This, of course, is McLane’s worst nightmare. And, what’s worse, she’s a girl! “Russian” Tamara Jagellovsk (Eva Pflug) is, not surprisingly, a rigid stickler for the rules, and as soon she and volatile loose cannon McLane have had their first verbal jousting match we can clearly see the predictable trajectory that their relationship is going to take. Despite–or because of–the fact that they are at each others throats from the moment they are introduced, I don’t think anyone would consider it a spoiler to report that the third act finds them doing the lunar lip-lock. Still, its another testament to the quality of the performances here that this thread never comes across as much like mere auto-pilot plot mechanics as it could have.

Mind you, it’s not that Raumpatrouille doesn’t find time amidst all of its angst-ridden power struggles, simmering sexual tension and enthusiastic downing of highballs to deliver some old-fashioned space opera thrills. It’s just that, being conspicuously less enamored than other examples of the genre with militaristic conceptions of valor and honor, it tends to do so with a dollop of humor that’s both pitch black and bone dry, sometimes giving off faint echoes of dark political satire reminiscent of Doctor Strangelove. Given this, it’s only fitting that the series should provide its hero with an enemy even more at odds with his resolute, cranky individualism than the stifling governmental bureaucracy he does battle with every day.

The recurring threat in Raumpatrouille is a mysterious alien race which McLane’s crew dubs the Frogs (the movie version takes a campy revisionist approach to this appellation, making it short for “Foreign Race Of Galactic Scoundrels”, though it wasn’t intended as an acronym in the original) and it’s one of Rucksturz ins Kino’s major flaws that it rushes over their introduction. Pictured as glistening, featureless silhouettes–human in outline, but with all of their human-ness removed–the Frogs, as presented in the series, were always seen from a remove, soundlessly working, purposeful but without decipherable motive, towards some unknown but unmistakably malevolent end. Such an effective job was done at establishing their very creepiness that, once they were introduced, they managed to haunt every scene in which they did not explicitly appear. Later it would be shown that the Frogs could take control of people from afar and, given the deterministic and impersonal nature of their malignance, it would come as no surprise that, disease like, they would ultimately come closest to defeating the space patrol by opportunistically corrupting it from within its own fragile power structure. (In keeping with the disease imagery, the Frogs’ ships are very mosquito-like in appearance, not to mention swarm-like in their method of attack.)

Of course, what most people take away from their initial viewing of Raumpatroille is its eccentric–and largely budget driven–visual style. Raumpatrouille’s primitive special effects draw on techniques that date back to the silent era and, combined with the series’ rich black and white photography, contribute to the show’s unique overall look–sort of a chiaroscuro German Expressionist take on sci fi kitted out with 1960s cocktail culture accoutrements. But it is the show’s feverishly whimsical set designs that provide its unmistakable visual signature. The command deck of the Orion, for example, is a riot of repurposed household objects, from the largely unadorned flat iron prominently fixed to one of the consoles, to the dozens of plastic pint glasses festooned across its ceiling, to the glass shower knobs that serve as dials on the control panels. The chairs the crew sit in are just normal desk chairs–though very stylish ones–and those parts of the set that aren’t comprised of readymades have a wonderfully non-functional look, as if they were designed simply to look as weird as possible. Wrapping around this woozy aesthetic package is Peter Thomas’ very contemporary musical score, a brassy mix of freak beat and lounge jazz that even ventures into some spacey, proto-electronic sounds reminiscent of Joe Meek’s I Hear a New World album. (The choreographed “futuristic” dances that the Starlight Casino’s patrons do to these tunes are best just seen and not described).

As I said, Raumpatrouille Orion – Rucksturz ins Kino is not the ideal way to experience Raumpatrouille, but it still provides a serviceable introduction. It should also serve as more than adequate proof that the show was anything but a third rate foreign Star Trek imitation. Whether it’s actually better than Star Trek is for the viewer to decide. Personally, I prefer its decidedly–and necessarily, given the country and time of its origin–more jaundiced take on grand human endeavor, not to mention its rowdy and irreverent gang of heroes. After all, as courageous and selfless as the crew of the Enterprise may be, at the end of the day, its the crew of the Orion that I’d want to hang out with.
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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #25 on: 08-03-2015, 15:44:10 »
Pade mi na pamet ideja za Star Trek film. Vulkanci su desetkovani i povučeni na bekap planetu da obnove civilizaciju. To obnavljanje zahteva malo više rada u domenu razmnožavanja, u čemu Vulkanci nisu baš prvaci svemira. Problem nije u libidu, nego u vremenu potrebnom mladom Vulkancu (i Vulkanki) da postane ono što se od njih očekuje. Edukacija je krnja i kao rezultat Vulkansko društvo postaje emotivnije. To ih čini manje otpornim na infiltraciju i uticaj Romulanaca, koji pokušavaju da iskoriste situaciju i navedu Vulkance da se izdvoje iz Federacije i pripoje Carstvu.

Matori Spok otkriva pretnju i, pošto ne može nikome da veruje u samoj koloniji, poziva mladog Spoka da razotkrije Romulansku infiltraciju. Dok Enterprajz dođe do Novog Vulkana stari Spok umire u misterioznim okolnostima. I film može da počne...

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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #26 on: 08-03-2015, 17:07:25 »
bila bi to previse kompleksna radnja za trekije. jos od u kinu dozivljene premijere generationsa uvjeren sam da bi idealan st-film trajao tri sata, a radnju cinio zoom in/out makete najnovijeg enterprajsa iz 208 perspektiva.

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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #27 on: 13-03-2016, 21:08:11 »

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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #28 on: 08-07-2016, 12:45:40 »
uzeh kartu za ST beyond za 20. juli al pre toga ću reprizirati ST i ST into darkness.
valjda lin neće sahraniti sve domete džej džeja.
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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #29 on: 08-07-2016, 13:04:20 »
Nadam se da će makar održati količinu lens flerova, beztoga ništa
Why shouldn't things be largely absurd, futile, and transitory? They are so, and we are so, and they and we go very well together.

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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #30 on: 10-07-2016, 08:51:44 »
ponovih oba, super mi prijalo, prvi naravno posebno, s drugim imam određene issues.
meni lens flerovi ultra!
čitam i ovo gore između maca i ghoula i skroz sam na macovoj strani, al elaboriraću kad se guli vrne na forum :lol:
u svakom slučaju, sad treba dočekati 20. juli. heavy.
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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #31 on: 21-07-2016, 00:04:54 »
prvi film je fon trir a drugi kjubrik za ovo treće radoš bajić čudo. mister sulu je posebno nadrljao.
neće biti spojlera, no worries.
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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #32 on: 21-07-2016, 08:10:10 »
Vaseljena gori,Enterprajz u perionnici?

lilit

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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #33 on: 21-07-2016, 09:57:18 »
ne znam odakle da krenem, toliko je moje nezadovoljstvo :lol:
ajd, ako nešto a ono neki spec efekti nisu loši. i to je to.
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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #34 on: 21-07-2016, 10:19:16 »
Znači, Abramsa ćemo od blata da pravimo?

Meni su prva dva filma gledljiva, uz, naravno ogradu da su mnogo više Star Wars nego Star Trek, al ovo sad me zabrinulo... Oh, well, čekaću ga na HBOu...

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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #35 on: 21-07-2016, 10:28:36 »
što bi zakk rekao: u imaxu bih gledao i sns promotivne spotove, al ni to nije pomoglo. a od mr. sulu zagrljaja se još uvek oporavljam.

mislim, može ovo da se gleda kod kuće, pa malo staneš, pa malo sagita, pa ručak, pa se vratiš na film.

najveći problem su mi donekle izmenjeni likovi i star trek sveden na spejs sapunicu.
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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #36 on: 21-07-2016, 10:36:11 »
чек бре, па стар трек је од свог настанка сапуница (и у свим својим алотропским модификацијама)
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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #37 on: 21-07-2016, 10:41:00 »
чек бре, па стар трек је од свог настанка сапуница (и у свим својим алотропским модификацијама)

u biti da, al ovo je way beyond :)
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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #38 on: 21-07-2016, 10:48:40 »
а шта смо могли друго да очекујемо кад га је радио човек одговоран за ово:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szY9hUdCZek
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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #39 on: 21-07-2016, 12:00:09 »
joj da! fremdscham! :cry: :lol:

in conclusion, najbolja stvar sinoć u bioskopu je bio trejler (na big platnu) za assassin's creed, a decembar će nam stići pre nego što se nadamo i neće izdati!!!! :lol: :lol:
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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #40 on: 21-07-2016, 22:25:39 »
e, tu sam da se motiviram odvuci do kina!!!! kako to sad izvesti? znaci los film, ali zato okruzen narodom koji dva sata gricka kokice?! :cry:

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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #41 on: 22-07-2016, 09:41:25 »
willkommen!! :lol:

btw, odgledao i dragi muž i ubio me komentarom :) : "Meni je ovaj film fenomenalan. Pravi nastavak novog serijala a mnogo su ispoštovali iz prethodne generacije filmova. Mislim da je trebalo da odgledaš stare filmove (što sam ja uradio prošle godine) da bi cenila koliko je ovaj film dobar."


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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #42 on: 23-07-2016, 22:58:30 »
Pogledao sam STAR TREK BEYOND Justina Lina. Treći film nije režirao JJ Abrams a i scenario ne potpisuju njegovi čauši Orci, Kurtzman i ekipa već Simon Pegg i Doug Jung. I rezultat je različiti od Abramsovog. Meni su oba njegova STAR TREK filma bila odlična, prvi je zaista jedan od onih filmova koji opravdavaju postojanje rebootova, i stoji kao uzor u toj nečasnoj delatnosti. Drugi je bio zanimljivo viđenje najvećeg negativca u mitologiji STAR TREKa i ispravio je problem prvog filma a to je slab negativac. Prva dva Abramsova filma su se dakle mahom bavila redefinisanjem pojmova, rebootovanjem, inovacijama unutar načina na koji se radi STAR TREK.

Treći film je potpuno drugačiji. U njemu je STAR TREK već uhodana mašina. Nema tu ničeg naročito novog ili revoluconarnog. S jedne strane imamo ono što je uspostavio Abrams, s druge imamo karakterističnu artificijelnost STAR TREK-univerzuma. Otud, STAR TREK BEYOND ne može imati impact prva dva Abramsova filma ali pokazuje nešto drugo što je vrlo važno - u rukama Justina Lina, ovaj serijal funkcioniše kao dobro podmazana i efikasna mašina.

Štaviše, STAR TREK BEYOND takođe uspeva da ima boljeg negativca nego prvi Abramsov film, a uspeva da u duhu Roddenberryjevih ambicija i plasira jednu “veliku temu”. Možda je najzanimljivije to što u pogledu “velike teme” STAR TREK BEYOND ponajviše podseća na Blomkampov ELYSIUM, sa kojim deli ne samo dizajn Yorktowna već i temu otpadnika koji žele da se dokopaju civilizacije koja ih je odbacila i smestila na planetu punu tehnološkog otpada.

Otud, poput latinizovanog siromašnog LA u ELYSIUMu, ovde je planeta zapravo blomkampovska Afrika u kojoj kopajući po tehnološkom oitpadu, subalterne grupacije žele da organizuju otpor civilizaciji koje se gnušaju i koju krive što su u tom stanju.

U određenom smislu, treći deo nudi možda i najaktuelniji “message movie” element od sva tri rebootovana STAR TREK filma.

Justin Lin konačno uspeva da proizvede zaokružen film koji funkcioniše. Videlo se da on to ima u sebi prošle godine kada je svojim epizodama otvorio drugu sezonu TRUE DETECTIVEa. Naravno, STAR TREK BEYOND nema veze sa tim, ali drago mi je da Lin ipak uspeva da napreduje. Odlično vlada ritmom, humorom i akcijom i eventualni problemi filma se mogu prepoznati u scenariju koji u pojedinim deonicama čini da “zaboravimo” na određene tokove priče a Lin nije uspeo da te probleme razreši.

STAR TREK BEYOND je pouzdan produžetak onoga što je Abrams započeo i dokaz da je novi filmski serijal ove franšize već sada daleko bolji.

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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #43 on: 24-07-2016, 00:06:18 »
Prva dva filma nove trilogije Zvezdanih staza su oduševile filmofile, a razočarale brojne fanove franšize. Kvalitet samih filmova je neosporan, kada se posmatraju zasebno, ali kada se ima u vidu da su deo jednog velikog univerzuma, stiče se utisak da se u njega ne uklapaju baš najbolje. Navikli smo da sjajni efekti i duge akcione scene, postanu smisao same sebi i film odvedu na neki drugu stranu, a čak i kada to nije slučaj, toliko utiču na radnju da se osnovna ideja izgubi u procesu. Pretpostavili smo da je to ono što se desilo Zvezdanim stazama – vreme je pregazilo originalne ideje i viziju Džina Rodenberija, učinilo ih potpuno neprihvatljivim novoj publici. To je moglo biti tačno, sve do premijere trećeg filma, Zvezdane staze: Izvan granica.
Film je savršeno oslikan u svom naslovu, i to ne u univerzumu u kojem se radnja dešava, nego u ovom našem. Kada neko upita za razliku između Zvezdanih staza i Zvezdanih ratova, fanovi znaju kako da odgovore. U ovom filmu je ta granica probijena, jer on može da prođe kao delo inspirisano Zvezdanim ratovima, što je bila i glavna kritika trekera na prva dva filma. Ali istovremeno, on je film Zvezdanih staza, sa temom i likovima koji ostaju dosledni svom nasleđu. Zvezdane staze (2009) i Zvezdane staze: Prema tami (2013) su filmovi inspirisani Zvezdanim stazama. Zvezdane staze: Izvan granica (2016) je film baziran na Zvezdanim stazama.

Nastavak na: http://fantasticnivodic.com/2016/07/23/naucna-fantastika/povratak-korenima-zvezdane-staze-izvan-granica/

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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #44 on: 24-07-2016, 00:40:43 »
Meni je Spok užasno išao na živce tokom drugog filma, i čak sam navijao za Kana da ubije Boga u njemu. , a to - da tako otvoreno navijam za negativca - mi se retko dogadja.

Inače, volim Zaharija Kvinta, i ne verujem da je zbog njega. I to je jedino čega se sećam iz filma, uz nekoliko scena sa Kamberbečovim Kanom. Sve ostalo je nestalo, izgubilo se, isparilo, iščezlo... Teško da bi se moglo reći da sam bio oduševljen filmom. A smatram se filmofilom, i ne smatram se fanom franšize.

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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #45 on: 24-07-2016, 01:32:27 »
Bilo je ono kad admiral propoveda kako Kirk nema pojma čega sve ima napolju, i da bi odbranio čovečanstvo od takvih pretnji moraš da budeš i malo nečovečan.

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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #46 on: 27-07-2016, 16:22:13 »
Pravi ST film. Nije nešto što će ostaviti dubok trag u našim sećanjima, ali ljubitelji ST će veoma uživati. Sve je kako treba - akcija, likovi, ta jedna, standarna, "dublja" filozofska podloga. Glumci odlični, humor izbalansiran sa akcijom, efekti očaravajući (mada je to besmisleno isticati u današnje vreme). Priča je pristojna i ne traži previše često da zažmurimo na neke sitne, ali i očekivane naivnosti. Malo dirljivih momenata, pa čak i posveta mladom Jelcinu, kao i Lionardu Nimoju (kome je i radnja filma posvećena). Ne znam kako ovo deluje na ljude koji nisu zaljubljenici u ST, ali ja sam iz bioskopa izašao sa kezom ko malo dete. Beyond je bolji od Into Darkness, a i on mi je bio pristojan film. Dakle, ribut serijal filmova se odvija kako smo se i nadali.
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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #47 on: 05-08-2018, 16:31:18 »
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