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Re: Darwin: Šta je frka u evoluciji?
« Reply #400 on: 13-09-2016, 13:24:37 »

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Re: Darwin: Šta je frka u evoluciji?
« Reply #401 on: 13-09-2016, 13:47:30 »
Ili što sam ja rekao na drugoj temi, ne vredi uzimati u obzir iskaze osoba kojima sticanje znanja nije prioritet. Ti iskazi nisu relevantni s naučnog stanovišta.

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Re: Darwin: Šta je frka u evoluciji?
« Reply #402 on: 13-09-2016, 14:05:07 »
такое, не дај боже да се отац науке доведе у питање, богохуљење!
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Re: Darwin: Šta je frka u evoluciji?
« Reply #403 on: 13-09-2016, 14:14:01 »
U nauci nisu bitni ljudi, nego delići znanja. Znanje je bog. A ono što sada ne znamo, ili znamo pogrešno, vremenom ćemo ispraviti. Ili nećemo, ako je u pitanju nešto nesaznatljivo.

Tvoja fiksacija Galileovim greškama je irelevantna.

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Re: Darwin: Šta je frka u evoluciji?
« Reply #404 on: 13-09-2016, 14:22:04 »
Хау јес ноу! Галилеј је највећи примјер да су некима битнији људи од знања, пошто, јелте, он знање није имао.
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Re: Darwin: Šta je frka u evoluciji?
« Reply #405 on: 13-09-2016, 14:31:31 »
otkud sad opet ovo, zar se nismo dogovorili da odustajemo?
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Re: Darwin: Šta je frka u evoluciji?
« Reply #406 on: 13-09-2016, 15:15:44 »
Па и не бавимо се Галилејевим већ мацовим грешкама 8-)

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Re: Darwin: Šta je frka u evoluciji?
« Reply #407 on: 13-09-2016, 15:24:43 »
Problem: trigger! Solution: ignore!

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Re: Darwin: Šta je frka u evoluciji?
« Reply #408 on: 13-09-2016, 15:34:44 »
Неопходно је указивање на мацове двоструке стандарде
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Re: Darwin: Šta je frka u evoluciji?
« Reply #409 on: 13-09-2016, 15:52:18 »
E, beeee.....

Scalope, očekivo sam odgovora na alchajmera,,,a ti....

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Re: Darwin: Šta je frka u evoluciji?
« Reply #410 on: 13-09-2016, 17:59:24 »
što se tiče alchajmera, poznato je da je evolucija bolesti išla paralelno sa razvojem inteligencije.
pre otprilike 100k godina, prirodnom selekcijom smo dobili promene (mutacije) na šest gena koji su uključeni u razvoj mozga.

što se tiče alchajmera u našim godinama, tzv. early onset bolesti, tačno se zna koji geni su uključeni i to nisu oni koji su imali veze sa razvojem inteligencije.

mutacije su čudo. jbg, mankind has always feared what it doesn't understand. :lol:

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Re: Darwin: Šta je frka u evoluciji?
« Reply #411 on: 13-09-2016, 18:08:56 »
Пусти сад хоркхајмера, требаш нам на топику о олимпијади!
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Re: Darwin: Šta je frka u evoluciji?
« Reply #412 on: 13-09-2016, 18:11:54 »
samo ako mi obećaš, a ja te lepo zamolim, da ćeš se skinuti s ovog topika :)
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Re: Darwin: Šta je frka u evoluciji?
« Reply #413 on: 13-09-2016, 20:24:39 »
samo ako mi obećaš, a ja te lepo zamolim, da ćeš se skinuti s ovog topika :)


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Re: Darwin: Šta je frka u evoluciji?
« Reply #414 on: 13-09-2016, 20:28:18 »
E, beeee.....

Scalope, očekivo sam odgovora na alchajmera,,,a ti....


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Re: Darwin: Šta je frka u evoluciji?
« Reply #415 on: 13-09-2016, 21:13:08 »
Ispovrteo?

Kako god, ja i dalje reč mutaciju smatram da nosi negativnu konotaciju, a evoluciju smatram fantastikom.

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Re: Darwin: Šta je frka u evoluciji?
« Reply #416 on: 14-09-2016, 09:07:26 »
Tvrd kao stena.
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Re: Darwin: Šta je frka u evoluciji?
« Reply #417 on: 15-09-2016, 04:48:17 »
Christian Science Monitor. Nisu pravoslavni al poslužiće:
 
 
 Evolution Just Got Harder to Defend 
 
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A new fossil discovery makes it even tougher for Darwinists to explain the origin of life.
There’s an old story about a chemist, a physicist, and an economist stranded on a desert island with nothing to eat but a can of soup. Puzzling over how to open the can, the chemist says, “Let’s heat the can until it swells and bursts from the buildup of gases.” “No, no,” says the physicist, “let’s throw it off that cliff with just enough kinetic energy to split it open on the rocks below.” The economist, after thinking a moment says, “Assume a can opener.”
There’s more than one trade that deals in assumptions. The way Darwinists approach the origin of life is a lot like that economist’s idea for opening the can. The Darwinian mechanism of mutation and natural selection explains everything about life, we’re told—except how it began. “Assume a self-replicating cell containing information in the form of genetic code,” Darwinists are forced to say. Well, fine. But where did that little miracle come from?
A new discovery makes explaining even that first cell tougher still. Fossils unearthed by Australian scientists in Greenland may be the oldest traces of life ever discovered. A team from the University of Wollongong recently published their findings in the journal “Nature,” describing a series of structures called “stromatolites” that emerged from receding ice.
“Stromatolites” may sound like something your doctor would diagnose, but they’re actually biological rocks formed by colonies of microbes that live in shallow water. If you visit the Bahamas today, you can see living stromatolites.
What’s so special about them? Well, they appear in rocks most scientists date to 220 million years older than the oldest fossils, which pushes the supposed date for the origin of life back to 3.7 billion years ago.
This, admits the New York Times, “complicate the story of evolution of early life from chemicals ... .” No kidding! According to conventional geology, these microbe colonies existed on the heels of a period when Earth was undergoing heavy asteroid bombardment, making it virtually uninhabitable. This early date, adds The Times, “leaves comparatively little time for evolution to have occurred … .”
 
That is an understatement. These life forms came into existence virtually overnight, writes David Klinghoffer at Evolution News and Views. “[g]enetic code, proteins, photosynthesis, the works.”
This appearance of fully-developed life forms so early in the fossil record led Dr. Abigail Allwood of Caltech to remark that “life [must not be] a fussy, reluctant and unlikely thing.” Rather, “t will emerge whenever there’s an opportunity.”
Pardon me? If life occurs so spontaneously and predictably even under the harshest conditions, then it should be popping up all over the place! Yet scientists still cannot come close to producing even a single cell from raw chemicals in the lab.
Dr. Stephen Meyer explains in his book “Signature in the Cell” why this may be Darwinism’s Achilles heel. In order to begin evolution by natural selection, you need a self-replicating unit. But the cell and its DNA blueprint are too complicated by far to have arisen through chance chemical reactions. The odds of even a single protein forming by accident are astronomical. So Meyer and other Intelligent Design theorists conclude that Someone must have designed and created the structures necessary for life.
Meanwhile Darwinists, faced with a fossil record that theoretically pushes the origin of life back further into the past, are forced to assume the metaphorical can opener. They just don’t know how these early cells came into existence, and the more we dig up, the more improbable—rather than likely—life becomes.
For them at least.
Eric Metaxas is the bestselling author of “Bonhoeffer: Pastor, Prophet, Martyr, Spy.” He is the radio host of “The Eric Metaxas Show” and the co-host of “BreakPoint.”
Editor's Note: This piece was originally published by BreakPoint.
 

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Re: Darwin: Šta je frka u evoluciji?
« Reply #418 on: 23-12-2016, 18:13:44 »
Prvi dokaz dobijen direktnim posmatranjem, vele

B92: Fascinantan naučni proboj: U epruveti dokazana Darvinova teorija http://www.b92.net/zivot/vesti.php?yyyy=2016&mm=12&dd=23&nav_id=1213327
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Re: Darwin: Šta je frka u evoluciji?
« Reply #419 on: 23-12-2016, 18:23:17 »
Kao i svi Darvinisti....tresemo goru, isprdećemo oblak nalik na miša....

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Re: Darwin: Šta je frka u evoluciji?
« Reply #420 on: 23-12-2016, 20:27:53 »
Umjesto da u epruveti smućkaju neku šljivu da možeš da radiš i voziš i ne škodi jetri, oni se zaebaju s Darvinom.
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Re: Darwin: Šta je frka u evoluciji?
« Reply #422 on: 26-03-2017, 01:11:49 »
Jeremy England, the Man Who May One-Up Darwin

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This Guy Might Have Made the Biggest Scientific Findings of the Century
Meghan Walsh

On a sunny afternoon, at a bustling cafe less than a mile from Stanford University’s campus, near Palo Alto, and more than 5,000 miles from his home, an assistant professor from MIT is telling me about science. Very advanced science. His name is Jeremy England, and at 33, he’s already being called the next Charles Darwin.

Say what?

In town to give a lecture, the Harvard grad and Rhodes scholar speaks quickly, his voice rising a few pitches in tone, his long-fingered hands making sudden jerks when he’s excited. He’s skinny, with a long face, scraggly beard and carelessly groomed mop of sandy brown hair — what you might expect from a theoretical physicist. But then there’s the street-style Adidas on his feet and the kippah atop his head. And the fact that this scientist also talks a lot about God.

    Every 30 years or so we experience these gigantic steps forward. …And this might be it.

Carl Franck, a Cornell physics professor

The 101 version of his big idea is this: Under the right conditions, a random group of atoms will self-organize, unbidden, to more effectively use energy. Over time and with just the right amount of, say, sunlight, a cluster of atoms could come remarkably close to what we call life. In fact, here’s a thought: Some things we consider inanimate actually may already be “alive.” It all depends on how we define life, something England’s work might prompt us to reconsider. “People think of the origin of life as being a rare process,” says Vijay Pande, a Stanford chemistry professor. “Jeremy’s proposal makes life a consequence of physical laws, not something random.”

England’s idea may sound strange, even incredible, but it’s drawn the attention of an impressive posse of high-level academics. After all, while Darwinism may explain evolution and the complex world we live in today, it doesn’t account for the onset of intelligent beings. England’s insistence on probing for the step that preceded all of our current assumptions about life is what makes him stand out, says Carl Franck, a Cornell physics professor, who’s been following England’s work closely. “Every 30 years or so we experience these gigantic steps forward,” Franck says. “We’re due for one. And this might be it.”

And all from a modern Orthodox Jew with fancy sneakers.

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Before England became a religious man — he prays three times a day — he was a scientist. From the time he could read, he devoured books on subjects from philosophy to music to fantasy. By 9 he was plowing his way through Stephen Hawking’s opus, A Brief History of Time . “He couldn’t comprehend it, but he tried really hard,” says his father, Richard England, an economics professor at the University of New Hampshire. Yes, Dad is an economics professor and Mom a public school teacher, and the couple took their two children to museums and to visit the Harvard campus, just a few hours from their small seacoast town. But the elder England contends his son’s upbringing doesn’t begin to explain his intellectual curiosity.

Or England’s long timeline of asking big questions. Over drinks some years ago, a childhood friend reminded him of a time that young Jeremy turned to him out of nowhere and reflected: “You know, Adam, if the dinosaurs can go extinct, then so can we.” England was 3 then. For his part, England says it wasn’t until he hit about 7 that he felt a sense of anxiety about “not knowing enough.” That anxiety would compel him through an almost comical list of academic bastions — Harvard, Oxford, Stanford and Princeton, and now, a 3-year-old teaching gig at MIT.

Still, God wasn’t a big player for England during most of his early life. While his mom is Jewish — his dad was raised Lutheran but never felt strongly about passing on his Protestant ties — there wasn’t a lot of religious talk while he was growing up. The Englands would share a festive meal for Passover and light candles for Hanukkah, but the family didn’t keep a Bible in the home. His mother, England says, was born in Poland in 1947 to a family ravaged by the Holocaust. Much of her extended family — including her grandparents — were killed by the Nazis, and in the wake of such destruction, England says, Judaism brought up negative, painful feelings for her; she distanced herself.

It seems ironic, then, that anti-Semitism would eventually push England to the faith he says his mother spurned. While studying at Oxford in the early 2000s, he faced his first anti-Israel sentiment from classmates — which got him, in expected fashion, reading books and picking people’s brains to figure out where he stood on the issue. And in 2005, he visited Israel for the first time — where he “fell in love.” Studying the Torah provided an opportunity for intellectual engagement that he says was “unlike anything I had ever experienced in terms of subtlety and grandeur of scope.”

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Back in Palo Alto, between meeting with Berkeley professors and Stanford students, England reboots his computer to show me a simulation he’s been working on, meanwhile explaining that his lab is less test tubes and white coats than blackboards and computers screens. Jet-setting across the country to talk about his theories isn’t England’s usual routine. That, he says, looks more like dirty diapers, brainstorming atop a yoga ball with his infant son, working with students and plugging data into formulas.

England didn’t begin with number-crunching, though. During his postdoc research on embryonic development, he kept coming back to the question: What qualifies something as alive or not? He later superimposed an analytical rigor to that question, publishing an equation in 2013 about how much energy is required for self-replication to take place. For England, that investigation was only the beginning. “I couldn’t stop thinking about it,” he says, his normally deep voice rising until eventually cracking. “It was so frustrating.” Over the next year, he worked on a second paper, which is under peer review now. This one took his past findings and used them to explain theoretically how, under certain physical circumstances, life could emerge from nonlife.

In the most basic terms, Darwinism and the idea of natural selection tell us that well-adapted organisms evolve in order to survive and better reproduce in their environment. England doesn’t dispute this reasoning, but he argues that it’s too vague. For instance, he says, blue whales and phytoplankton thrive in the same environmental conditions — the ocean — but they do so by vastly different means. That’s because that while they’re both made of the same basic building blocks, strings of DNA are arranged differently in each organism.

Now take England’s simulation of an opera singer who holds a crystal glass and sings at a certain pitch. Instead of shattering, England predicts that over time, the atoms will rearrange themselves to better absorb the energy the singer’s voice projects, essentially protecting the glass’s livelihood. So how’s a glass distinct from, say, a plankton-type organism that rearranges it self over several generations? Does that make glass a living organism?

These are pretty things to ponder. Unfortunately, England’s work hasn’t yet provided any answers, leaving the professor in a kind of speculative state as he doggedly tries to put numbers to it all. “He hasn’t put enough cards on the table yet,” Franck says. “He’ll need to make more testable predictions.” So it remains to be seen where England will land in the end. Other scientists have made similar claims about energy dissipation in the context of non-equilibrium thermodynamics, but none has found a definitive means for applying this science to the origin of life.

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So what does God have to do with all this? In his quest for answers, England, of course, finds himself at the center of the classic struggle between science and spirituality. While Christianity and Darwinism are generally opposed, Judaism doesn’t take issue with the science of life. The Rabbinical Council of America even takes the stance that “evolutionary theory, properly understood, is not incompatible with belief in a Divine Creator.”

For his part, England believes science can give us explanations and predictions, but it can never tell us what we should do with that information. That’s where, he says, the religious teachings come in. Indeed, the man who’s one-upping Darwin has spent the past 10 years painstakingly combing through the Torah, interpreting it word by word much the way he ponders the meaning of life. His conclusion? Common translations are lacking. Take the term “creation.” England suggests we understand it not as the literal making of the Earth but rather as giving Earth a name. All throughout the Bible, he says, there are examples of terms that could be interpreted differently from what we’ve come to accept as standard.

That even applies to some of the good book’s most famous players, like Joseph, the ancient biblical interpreter of dreams, who rose to become the most powerful man in Egypt after the pharaoh. Maybe, England suggests, he wasn’t a fortune-teller. Maybe he was a scientist.

Correction: This story has been revised to reflect the correct date that England first visited Israel.

http://www.ozy.com/rising-stars/the-man-who-may-one-up-darwin/39217
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Re: Darwin: Šta je frka u evoluciji?
« Reply #423 on: 26-03-2017, 01:19:37 »
Ništa ne kontam...
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Re: Darwin: Šta je frka u evoluciji?
« Reply #424 on: 26-03-2017, 01:49:05 »
Ovo je tekst o čoveku, a ne o njegovom delu. Ako želiš više informacija o čovekovom delu onda pronađi drugi, odgovarajući, tekst.

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Re: Darwin: Šta je frka u evoluciji?
« Reply #425 on: 26-03-2017, 01:51:46 »
Možda sam lijen ali je i tomat oftopik! 8-)
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Re: Darwin: Šta je frka u evoluciji?
« Reply #426 on: 26-03-2017, 09:21:05 »
Možda bih mogao da ti objasnim, ali mi slabo ide ovih dana. Ili ja ne umem da objasnim ili mi je slab auditorijum. Ali, da pokušam, mada će većina da odbaci.
Iz linka izlazi osnovna misao:
Evolucija je posledica fizičkih zakona, a ne nasumičnog.
Naizgled ništa revolucionarno, ali ostavlja mesto za Boga. Time oslobađa misao pritiska. Jer, što radikalnija misao, to intenzivnija reakcija.
Ali, hajde da vidimo kako to deluje na slobodnu misao:
1+1 su dva; račun.
Par nepoznatih su srednješkolski problem.
Što veći broj nepoznatih, odnosno, parametara, to teže rešenje.
Neki matematički problemi su noćna mora sveukupne matematike.
iliti:
Elementi prve grupe Mendeljejevog periodnog sistema su inertni.
Nepromenljivi.Najjednostavniji hemijski elementi i jedinjenja su najreaktivniji.
Organska hemija je složenija od neorganske, biohemija je noćna mora.
Ne možeš da konstruišeš novi hemijski element bez atomske bombe.
Iliti:
In principio erat čorba.
Najintenzivnije mutacije se dešavaju kod najjednostavnijih organizama.
Intenzivnost mutacije kod najsloženijih organizama registruje se kao „ispad promene svakih trideset godina“.
LM:
Ništa izvan fizičkih zakona, ništa što bi trebalo da nas posvađa sa Bogom.
 
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Re: Darwin: Šta je frka u evoluciji?
« Reply #427 on: 26-03-2017, 14:08:28 »

Elementi prve grupe Mendeljejevljevog periodnog sistema su inertni.


WTF???
 
Ovo su najreaktivniji elementi u periodnom sistemu, inertnim se opisuju oni koji su sasvim na drugoj strani. Potpuno sam zbunjen šta si ovim hteo da kažeš, pogotovo što u sledećem redu kažeš da su najjednostavniji elementi i najreaktivniji (kao što alkalni metali i jesu). Može li pojašnjenje?

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Re: Darwin: Šta je frka u evoluciji?
« Reply #428 on: 26-03-2017, 14:16:27 »
Nobody's perfect. Sećam se da su s kraja, ja ne guglam. Bolje je što si ispravio i tačnije. Možda sam podsvesno želeo da neko pročita.
Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. - Mark Twain.

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Re: Darwin: Šta je frka u evoluciji?
« Reply #429 on: 26-03-2017, 14:18:08 »
Čitam ja sve što ti ovde pišeš, samo ne razumem sve  :lol:

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Re: Darwin: Šta je frka u evoluciji?
« Reply #430 on: 26-03-2017, 14:24:15 »
Ne može da bude prostije: Jednostavno je lako, složeno je teško. Prema svim fizičkim zakonima. Nema sukoba sa Bogom.
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Re: Darwin: Šta je frka u evoluciji?
« Reply #431 on: 26-03-2017, 14:37:38 »
Jedino što evolucija ne postoji, niko od nas nije nastao ni od amebe ni majmuna, a ponajmanje pre više miliona godina.
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Re: Darwin: Šta je frka u evoluciji?
« Reply #432 on: 26-03-2017, 14:42:02 »
A, da to nacrtaš?
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Re: Darwin: Šta je frka u evoluciji?
« Reply #433 on: 26-03-2017, 16:27:03 »
Crtam Vilenjake...ne mogu se 'majmunišem' :)

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Re: Darwin: Šta je frka u evoluciji?
« Reply #434 on: 26-03-2017, 17:28:09 »
Pa, nemoooooooj! Idi, crtaj! Postoji li u tebi tračak koji kaže kad je dosta? Zasviraj, pa i za pojas zadeni! Sve si nas ubedio. Pusti i nekog drugog da soli pamet.
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Re: Darwin: Šta je frka u evoluciji?
« Reply #435 on: 26-03-2017, 17:32:19 »
Phih, okej, dragi serdari i vojvode, ode sirotinjaumozak na drugi neki topic, neć' vam više diram darvila....

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Re: Darwin: Šta je frka u evoluciji?
« Reply #436 on: 26-03-2017, 17:33:15 »
Phih, okej, dragi serdari i vojvode, ode sirotinjaumozak na drugi neki topic, neć' vam više diram darvila....
Fala.
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Re: Darwin: Šta je frka u evoluciji?
« Reply #437 on: 05-05-2017, 13:37:14 »
SKANDALOZNA PETICIJA Akademici, profesori, umetnici i sveštenici bi PONOVO DA "UBIJU" DARVINA http://www.blic.rs/24n2506

Interesantno kako učeni ljudi (ako ova peticija nije neka fora) ne mogu ili neće da razumeju da teorija evolucije nije teorija o nastanku života. A i argument im je zaista jak - vređa verujuće ljude.

Edit: sad vidim da je Truman okačio vest na srbija danas, pa se izvinjavam što pažljivije nisam pogledao.
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Re: Darwin: Šta je frka u evoluciji?
« Reply #438 on: 05-05-2017, 13:39:50 »
Srpsko drustvo nazaduje krupnim koracima.

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Re: Darwin: Šta je frka u evoluciji?
« Reply #439 on: 05-05-2017, 13:41:08 »
Ali Darvin jeste imao teoriju i o nastanku života.
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Re: Darwin: Šta je frka u evoluciji?
« Reply #440 on: 05-05-2017, 13:45:59 »
Možda, ali jel to teorija evolucije?
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Re: Darwin: Šta je frka u evoluciji?
« Reply #441 on: 05-05-2017, 14:00:09 »
Svakako je Darvinova teorija.

Neko pročešljavanje udžbenika treba podržati za svaki predmet, tamo ima nečega što je rutinski prepisivano, dopisivano, brisano, da ponekad više nema veze s istinom.

Ja ko da se sjećam da se nekad i o nastanku života laprdalo u udžbeniku biologije.

Možda još prirodne nauke najbolje stoje, u udžbeniku istorije ponekad su čiste laži, tako da je diskusija o bilo čemu poželjna.
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Re: Darwin: Šta je frka u evoluciji?
« Reply #442 on: 05-05-2017, 14:15:14 »
Ali potpisnici neće da preispituju, nego da izbacuju. Ova kontra struja čak poziva na dijalog, bar sudeći prema ovom članku.
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Re: Darwin: Šta je frka u evoluciji?
« Reply #443 on: 05-05-2017, 14:46:38 »
I Šešelj je reko u Hagu da uvijek treba da tražiš više (Srbiju do Karlovca, jelte) kako bi kompromis bio upravo ono što želiš.
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Re: Darwin: Šta je frka u evoluciji?
« Reply #444 on: 08-05-2017, 20:33:41 »
I Šešelj je reko u Hagu da uvijek treba da tražiš više (Srbiju do Karlovca, jelte) kako bi kompromis bio upravo ono što želiš.

To je maksima 68-osmaša, ali i svih levičara, tražimo nemoguće da bi smo dobili ono što u stvari želimo.
Što se tiče deda Darvina i njegove teorije evolucije, ona u stvari ne negira Boga, samo što smo mi naivni pomislili da negira jer je nismo razumeli. Prosto je, kao što reče Scallop, samo se treba potruditi da se malo bolje razume. Uostalom po čemu smo mi to slični onom koga kreacionisti toliko cene i vole da zaboravljaju i nauku? Razmislimo malo? Licem? Telom? Koliko mi je poznato aposlut, nazovimo ga Bogom je duh, energija, biće izvan prostora-vremena. Um i želja za stvaranjem, duhovnost, to je ono. A da jesmo od zemlje jesmo, svi hemijski elementi u nama su isti oni koji se nalaze u zemlji.
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Re: Darwin: Šta je frka u evoluciji?
« Reply #445 on: 08-05-2017, 21:26:00 »
Predsednik Odbora Skupštine Srbije za nauku i obrazovanje Muamer Zukorlić izjavio je u petak, 5. maja da učenicima i studentima treba da budu dostupne sve teorije o razvoju sveta i čoveka - kako naučne, tako i kreacionističke.

Uh, dobro je:D

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Re: Darwin: Šta je frka u evoluciji?
« Reply #447 on: 10-05-2017, 00:31:49 »
Čuli da Miroljub hvali američke škole pa mu ga šuknuli!
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Re: Darwin: Šta je frka u evoluciji?
« Reply #448 on: 10-05-2017, 15:14:16 »
Gledao sam sinoć Radmila kako u Oku pravi klasične faulove (Radmilo: "Teorija evolucije ne uspeva da dokaže kako je život nastao!!!!" Sagovornici: "Ali ona se ne bavi nastankom života već evolucijom vrsta" Radmilo: "....... Teorija evolucije ne uspeva da dokaže kako je život nastao!!!11!!1") i, eto. Čovek je, kažu, izvrstan hirurg (ja sam se malo družio s njegovim sinom koji je isto kvalitetan lekar ali, čini se, u zavadi sa profesijom zbog hrišćanskih verovanja) ali ova njegova priča ovde dokazuje da lekari - izvan akademski aktivnih - izgleda zaista ne pamte šta je to naučni metod. No, dobro, čovek je pokrenuo peticiju, neka o njoj diskutuju nadležne strukture pa kako smo glasali tako nek nam bude. Evo emisije koga zanima da pogleda kako Zukorlić pokušava da ne pokaže da mu se pocupkuje od sreće:

https://youtu.be/kuH-J-OKDO8


Na Peščaniku ima interesantan tekst o tom nekom novom kreacionizmu koga smo i mi sad meta a koji se uklapa u sveopštu "fake news" i sličnu filozofiju trenutno aktuelnu u svetu:


http://pescanik.net/napad-kreacionista-opet/

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Re: Darwin: Šta je frka u evoluciji?
« Reply #449 on: 10-05-2017, 15:57:38 »
Alo kako kvalitetan lekar može to jest sme da bude u zavadi sa profesijom zbog religije? Da li to znači da sutra može da odluči da me leči molitvom umesto da me operiše?

Ne kažem da lekari ne mogu ili ne smeju da budu religiozni, naprotiv, to može da ima i pozitivne posledice po profesiju, ali čim počne da se svađa sa profesijom zbog religije nastaje problem koji direktno može da utiče i na kvalitet.
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