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Naučna laboratorija Mars (Mars Science Laboratory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Science_Laboratory)), ili od milošte Curiosity, je poletela sa Zemlje 26.11.2011. i treba da sleti na Mars za desetak dana, 6. avgusta. Curiosity je veći i teži od svojih prethodnika, Spirit i Oportunity, i zato će se za sletanje po prvi put koristiti i vazdušni kran, letelica odvojena od samog rovera. Inženjerci su malo nervozni :)

Cilj ove misije je proučavanje klime i geologije Marsa, kao i mogućnosti da je Mars nekad bio pogodan za život. Bilo bi lepo, to jest spektakularno fenomenalno, da pronađemo bilo kakav trag života na Marsu.

 William Shatner and Wil Wheaton welcome NASA's Curiosity rover to Mars

http://boingboing.net/2012/07/30/william-shatner-and-wil-wheato.html# (http://boingboing.net/2012/07/30/william-shatner-and-wil-wheato.html#)

Talk to the Man Who Drives the $2.6 Billion-Dollar Mars Curiosity Rover

(This interview has ended.)


(ili bar saznajte kako to čudo radi)

http://gizmodo.com/5931298/talk-to-the-man-who-drives-the-26-billion+dollar-mars-curiosity-rover (http://gizmodo.com/5931298/talk-to-the-man-who-drives-the-26-billion+dollar-mars-curiosity-rover)

HiRISE Camera to Attempt Imaging Curiosity's Descent to Mars

Da se podsetimo kako je izgledala pre poletanja.



http://boingboing.net/2011/04/06/nasa-mars-science-la.html (http://boingboing.net/2011/04/06/nasa-mars-science-la.html)

Uskoro će im ovi roveri biti toliko glomazni da će morati da šalju manjeg robota koji će sastaviti veliki rover na licu mesta :)

http://eyes.nasa.gov/index.html (http://eyes.nasa.gov/index.html)

Explore the Solar system--> Nakon što prihvatite java aplikaciju (Run) --> Destination --> Spacecraft --> Mars Missions --> MSL (Curiosity) --> Go>

Igrajte se malo. Okrećite je. Isprobajte Tours & Features.
Probajte Live Mode, probajte Preview Mode.

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jesu naporni s ovim miljama  xuss

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=E88d4e1gYh0# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=E88d4e1gYh0#)!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcGMDXy-Y1I&feature=player_embedded# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcGMDXy-Y1I&feature=player_embedded#)!

Curiosity Spotted on Parachute by Orbiter


http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/msl/multimedia/pia15978b.html (http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/msl/multimedia/pia15978b.html)

http://io9.com/5932534/carl-sagans-message-to-future-explorers-of-mars-will-cold+clock-you-right-in-the-touchy-feelies (http://io9.com/5932534/carl-sagans-message-to-future-explorers-of-mars-will-cold+clock-you-right-in-the-touchy-feelies)

<3

Međutim, nije sve tako ružičasto. Recimo, NASA je na svoj JuTjub kanal okačila snimak Kjuriositijevog spuštanja na Mars samo da bi nekoliko minuta kasnije snimak bio uklonjen jer je privatna televizijska stanica podnela prijavu zbog kršenja autorskih prava (http://motherboard.vice.com/2012/8/6/nasa-s-mars-rover-crashed-into-a-dmca-takedown).  xrofl xrofl  Stvari su kasnije sređene, ali kako u tekstu piše:

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The video was gone, replaced with an alien message: "This video contains content from Scripps Local News, who has blocked it on copyright grounds. Sorry about that." That is to say, a NASA-made public domain video posted on NASA's official YouTube channel, documenting the landing of a $2.5 billion Mars rover mission paid for with public taxpayer money, was blocked by YouTube because of a copyright claim by a private news service.

Pa, ima li boljeg primera u kakvom naopakom svetu živimo?  :lol: :lol: :lol:

Curiosity Snaps its First Color Photo of Mars: Big Pic


http://news.discovery.com/space/big-pic-curiosity-color-photo-120807.html (http://news.discovery.com/space/big-pic-curiosity-color-photo-120807.html) 

Eto, svašta smo pobacali po Marsu!

CSI Mars (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fojvpMmyuKM#ws)

Eh... dok je Kjuriositi za sada uspešan, drugi NASA projekti nisu baš... Morfeus (http://www.nasa.gov/centers/johnson/exploration/morpheus/index.html), recimo... koji je juče testiran i vidimo kako se to završilo:

Morpheus lander first free flight and failure in HD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hvlG2JtMts#ws)

Kao bizaran dodatni detalj, primetiti ogroman disklejmer od strane čoveka koji je aploudovao video, a u očiglednoj vezi sa onim što smo pominjali pre neki dan na ovom istom topiku.

Slow, but rugged, Curiosity's computer was built for Mars (http://news.cnet.com/8301-11386_3-57491281-76/slow-but-rugged-curiositys-computer-was-built-for-mars/)

QuoteThe PowerPC RAD750 chip at the heart of the Curiosity Mars rover's central computer can withstand temperature extremes and massive doses of space radiation without the dreaded 'blue screen of death.'

E, sad, drugi se pitaju: može li se hakovati taj kompjuter? NASA je upravo uradila apdejt firmvera, dakle, u teoriji haker sa satelitskom antenčinom i pojačalom za signal od nekoliko stotina gigavata bi mogao Kjuriositiju da napravi dar mar. Naravno, ne verujem da bi to bio neko iz podruma, ali nekakvi zli Kinezi ili već tako neka nacija koja bi Americi da smrsi konce...

Could you hack into Mars rover Curiosity? (http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/134334-could-you-hack-into-mars-rover-curiosity) 

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NASA's Curiosity rover has now been on the surface of Mars for just over a week. It hasn't moved an inch after landing (http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/134024-curiosity-lands-successfully-kicks-off-new-era-in-mars-exploration), instead focusing on orienting itself (and NASA's scientists) by taking instrument readings and snapping images of its surroundings. The first beautiful full-color images of Gale Crater are starting to trickle in, and NASA has already picked out some interesting rock formations that it will investigate further in the next few days (pictures below). Over the weekend and continuing throughout today, however, Curiosity is attempting something very risky indeed: A firmware upgrade.
As we covered last week, at the heart of Curiosity there is a computer that runs VxWorks (http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/134041-inside-nasas-curiosity-its-an-apple-airport-extreme-with-wheels) — a popular embedded operating system that is installed in millions of devices around the world, including many spacecraft, aircraft, the Apple Airport Extreme, Drobo storage devices, and Honda's ASIMO robot. The VxWorks firmware on any of these systems, including Curiosity, can be updated at any time by uploading a new image and executing a few commands.
In the case of Curiosity, the new firmware was actually transmitted to the rover while it hurtled through space on its 8-month journey to Mars. On Saturday, Sol 5, NASA mission control transmitted the command that begun the update process. "We'll tell it to activate a sequence to start the load, then we go out of contact [with the rover] and it's gone for about eight hours," says Steve Scandore, a senior flight software engineer at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, to Computerworld (http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9230055/NASA_Mars_Curiosity_rover_in_great_shape_). "We start the upgrade. It will perform a series of steps and then it will turn itself off. It will wake itself up the next day and there's a down link to see what was done the day before." We should know later today if the upgrade process has been successful. Similar firmware upgrades have been performed before: Both the Spirit and Opportunity Mars rovers had their software updated in 2007 (both were powered by VxWorks), and Voyager 2 (http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2010-151), which is currently 9 billion miles from Earth, had its firmware fixed in 2010.

As for why NASA is executing the world's most risky firmware update on a computer that's 250 million miles away from Earth, get this: They're replacing Curiosity's operating system with a version that's more optimized for exploring the surface of Mars. At launch, Curiosity was loaded up with software that specialized in guiding the spacecraft to Mars and performing the complex EDL (http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/133722-how-nasas-curiosity-will-land-on-mars-narrated-by-your-choice-of-shatner-or-wheaton) (entry, descent, landing) procedure. Now that Curiosity has landed, the guidance computer is no longer required — and so it's being replaced with software that improves autonomy; more powerful computer vision, pathfinding, instrument analysis, and so on.

Hacking Curiosity All of this led me to an interesting thought: What's to stop other people from sending firmware updates to Curiosity? There have been many examples of amateur (and possibly state) actors misusing orbiting satellites — so why should Curiosity be any different? The short answer is, it isn't.
In theory, Curiosity is hackable — and it wouldn't even be all that hard.

The first approach would involve the would-be hacker building the equivalent of NASA's Deep Space Network (DSN), a worldwide network of big-dish antenna that send and receive spacecraft signals, and perform radio astronomy. To perform uplink communications (to the rover), the DSN's biggest antennae — 230-feet (70-meter) dishes — are outfitted with transmitters that deliver up to 400 kilowatts (http://www.spacetoday.org/SolSys/DeepSpaceNetwork/DeepSpaceNetwork.html) of output power. The hacker would also have to replicate the exact same encoding scheme (probably QPSK, the same as satellite TV) and use the same frequency (X band, around 8GHz).
With enough careful observation of NASA's own transmissions, and full reverse engineering of the communication protocol and the rover's command format, a hacker could gain access to Curiosity with his own antenna. Realistically, though, this approach could only be pulled off by a well-funded terrorist group or state-funded agency.

A much easier approach would be to hack into NASA and use its infrastructure to take over Curiosity. In theory, you could break into mission control at NASA's Jet Propulsion Lab and issue your own commands via the DSN antennae. Likewise, you could physically break into mission control and upload some new firmware (which, of course, like a generic action movie, you're carrying on a seemingly innocuous USB stick).
Back in March, NASA announced that it was the victim of 47 advanced persistent threat (APT) attacks, 13 of which gave Chinese hackers access to NASA's internal network (http://oig.nasa.gov/congressional/FINAL_written_statement_for_%20IT_%20hearing_February_26_edit_v2.pdf) [PDF]. In one case, the login credentials of 150 NASA employees were stolen, which could later be used to access other secure systems. In another attack, the hackers gained complete control of a NASA system, allowing them to delete or modify files, upload hacking tools, and modify system logs to conceal their actions.
In a separate incident, NASA had 48 "mobile computing devices" stolen between 2009 and 2011 — one of which contained International Space Station control codes. It isn't hard to see how these attack vectors could be combined to brick Curiosity, or block NASA's access.
The saving grace, I suppose, is that it isn't really in anyone's interest to interfere with Curiosity. The scientific data being gathered by Curiosity will benefit everyone — and indeed, the rover itself isn't 100% American, anyway: There are instruments on board that have been provided by other countries, such as Russia, Canada, and Spain. In all likelihood, the only real risk stems from China — but again, China is just as interested in Curiosity's findings as the rest of us.
In short, then, it's possible to hack Curiosity — but it would take more effort than it's worth. Once we actually get around to colonizing other planets, though — the great Imperial Space Race of the 31st century, or what have you — then I suspect sabotage will be much more likely. By then, I hope NASA will have stringent security measures in place, as I really don't want to end up drifting through space aboard a bricked spacecraft.

Zanimljiva panorama Marsa koju je snimio Curiosity, neko je skinuo s NASInog sajta, a NASA je posle posklanjala neke detalje.

http://gigapan.com/gigapans/111856 (http://gigapan.com/gigapans/111856)

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread871593/pg1 (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread871593/pg1)

Ja ovde osim stenja ne vidim ništa drugo (osim puta) što se nazivima sličica-detalja implicira, što me je ponukalo da pomislim da je ovo običan predeo u nekom pustinjskom delu Zemlje.

Pogledaj ono helmet i bell

Pa jeste, to su neke pravilnije forme... Ipak, sve je zamućeno? A može da bude i optička varka... Onaj put je, u stvari, najinteresantniji (meni, bar).

Ova reka

http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl-raw-images/msss/00003/mcam/0003ML0000030000E1_DXXX.jpg (http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl-raw-images/msss/00003/mcam/0003ML0000030000E1_DXXX.jpg)

Panorama

http://www.360cities.net/image/mars-panoramic-from-curiosity-uncompressed-tiff-sol-3-color-images-the-world#-129.55,0.00,68.1 (http://www.360cities.net/image/mars-panoramic-from-curiosity-uncompressed-tiff-sol-3-color-images-the-world#-129.55,0.00,68.1)

Liči na reku. Zanimljivo...

Liči. Tamo je -80 najmanje, ustvari to je blizu polova, sigurno je još hladnije. Možda magla CO2  :?:

Šta se ovih dana sluša na Marsu? (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=462017173819299&set=a.456449604376056.98921.367116489976035)

QuoteEver wondered what the first metal band played by the Curiosity rover on Mars would be? Wonder no more! On day 6 Anthrax became the first metal band played on Mars by Curiosity, when their 1990 track 'Got the Time' was played on the Martian surface as part of Mars rover Curiosity's daily wake-up playlist.

As Anthrax's Scott Ian put it: "yes, there will be moshing on Mars."

http://www.metalinjection.net/latest-news/fuck/anthrax-is-the-first-metal-band-blasted-on-mars (http://www.metalinjection.net/latest-news/fuck/anthrax-is-the-first-metal-band-blasted-on-mars)



A evo i plej liste rovera Spirit i Opportunity:

http://www.mit.edu/~jfc/MER%20Soundtrack.html (http://www.mit.edu/~jfc/MER%20Soundtrack.html)

Prvi kamen koji je dobio laserom po površini ima svoj tvit nalog, https://twitter.com/N165Mars

Quote from: Ygg on 19-08-2012, 16:44:28
Šta se ovih dana sluša na Marsu? (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=462017173819299&set=a.456449604376056.98921.367116489976035)

QuoteEver wondered what the first metal band played by the Curiosity rover on Mars would be? Wonder no more! On day 6 Anthrax became the first metal band played on Mars by Curiosity, when their 1990 track 'Got the Time' was played on the Martian surface as part of Mars rover Curiosity's daily wake-up playlist.

Ali to je pesma Džoa Džeksona!!!!!!! Mislim, super je njihova verzija, ali zar Džo da ne dobije ni šautaut???

Before-and-After Photos: Curiosity's Laser Burns Holes in Martian Rock

(via Wired)


http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/08/before-and-after-chemcam/ (http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/08/before-and-after-chemcam/)

Počeo je, dakle, Rat svetova  :twisted:

Curiosity implications

Dan na Marsu traje nekih 24 sata i 40 minuta. Ljudi koji opslužuju rover moraju da rade i žive u tom periodu, i imaju s tim u vezi posebne probleme. Evo intervjua sa jednim od njih:

http://io9.com/5940026/why-nasas-rover-team-lives-on-mars-time (http://io9.com/5940026/why-nasas-rover-team-lives-on-mars-time)

Snow on Mars: NASA Spacecraft Spots 'Dry Ice' Snowflakes (http://news.yahoo.com/snow-mars-nasa-spacecraft-spots-dry-ice-snowflakes-115923205.html)

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A spacecraft orbiting Mars has detected carbon dioxide snow falling on the Red Planet, making Mars the only body in the solar system known to host this weird weather phenomenon.
   The snow on Mars (http://www.space.com/16235-mars-snowflakes-tiny-snow.html) fell from clouds around the planet's south pole during the Martian winter spanning 2006 and 2007, with scientists discovering it only after sifting through observations by NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter (MRO). The Martian south pole hosts a frozen carbon dioxide — or "dry ice" — cap year-round, and the new discovery may help explain how it formed and persists, researchers said.
   "These are the first definitive detections of carbon-dioxide snow clouds (http://www.ouramazingplanet.com/851-snow-satellite-gallery-110131.html)," lead author Paul Hayne, of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) in Pasadena, Calif., said in a statement. "We firmly establish the clouds are composed of carbon dioxide — flakes of Martian air — and they are thick enough to result in snowfall accumulation at the surface."
   The find means Mars hosts two different kinds of snowfall. In 2008, NASA's Phoenix lander observed water-ice snow — the stuff we're familiar with here on Earth — falling near the Red Planet's north pole,. [7 Biggest Mysteries of Mars (http://www.space.com/13681-mars-biggest-mysteries-water-life.html)]
   Hayne and his team studied data gathered by MRO's Mars Climate Sounder instrument during the Red Planet's southern winter in 2006-2007. This instrument measures brightness in nine different wavelengths of visible and infrared light, allowing scientists to learn key characteristics of the particles and gases in the Martian atmosphere, such as their sizes and concentrations.
   The research team examined measurements the Mars (http://www.space.com/47-mars-the-red-planet-fourth-planet-from-the-sun.html) Climate Sounder made while looking at clouds — including one behemoth 300 miles (500 kilometers) wide — from directly overhead, and from off to the side. These combined observations clearly revealed dry-ice snow falling through the Red Planet's skies, researchers said.
   "One line of evidence for snow is that the carbon-dioxide ice particles in the clouds are large enough to fall to the ground during the lifespan of the clouds," said co-author David Kass, also of JPL. "Another comes from observations when the instrument is pointed toward the horizon, instead of down at the surface."
   "The infrared spectra signature of the clouds viewed from this angle is clearly carbon-dioxide ice particles, and they extend to the surface," Kass added. "By observing this way, the Mars Climate Sounder is able to distinguish the particles in the atmosphere from the dry ice on the surface."
   Astronomers still aren't entirely sure how the dry ice sustaining Mars' south polar cap — the only place where frozen carbon dioxide exists year-round on the planet's surface — is deposited. It could come from snowfall, or the stuff may freeze out of the air at ground level, researchers said.
   "The finding of snowfall could mean that the type of deposition — snow or frost — is somehow linked to the year-to-year preservation of the residual cap," Hayne said.
   Dry ice requires temperatures of about minus 193 degrees Fahrenheit (minus 125 Celsius) to fall, reinforcing just how cold the Martian surface is.
   The study will be published in an upcoming issue of the Journal of Geophysical Research. Hayne performed the research while a postdoc at Caltech in Pasadena.

Ma oni traže zlato i naftu, kakva voda bre  8-)

hihihihi  8-)

Lord Kufer je izgleda čitao Azzarellovog Spacemana (http://www.upps-sajt.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1571&Itemid=48)!!!

Warp Drive May Be More Feasible Than Thought, Scientists Say

HOUSTON — A warp drive to achieve faster-than-light travel — a concept popularized in television's Star Trek — may not be as unrealistic as once thought, scientists say.
A warp drive would manipulate space-time itself to move a starship, taking advantage of a loophole in the laws of physics that prevent anything from moving faster than light. A concept for a real-life warp drive was suggested in 1994 by Mexican physicist Miguel Alcubierre; however, subsequent calculations found that such a device would require prohibitive amounts of energy.

Now physicists say that adjustments can be made to the proposed warp drive that would enable it to run on significantly less energy, potentially bringing the idea back from the realm of science fiction into science.

http://www.space.com/17628-warp-drive-possible-interstellar-spaceflight.html (http://www.space.com/17628-warp-drive-possible-interstellar-spaceflight.html)

Nema ništa od toga dok se Vulkanci ne zateknu u blizini.
A treba da odradimo i III Svecki rat  :x

Curiosity Rover Touches 1st Martian Rock, Makes Longest Drive Yet (http://news.yahoo.com/curiosity-rover-touches-1st-martian-rock-makes-longest-024439778.html?_esi=1) 

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NASA's Mars rover Curiosity reached out and touched a Martian rock with its huge robotic arm for the first time, then took off on its longest Red Planet drive to date.
Curiosity spent the past several days investigating a strange pyramid-shaped stone (http://www.space.com/17674-mars-rover-curiosity-phobos-solar-eclipse.html) named "Jake Matijevic," testing out some of the gear at the end of its 7-foot-long (2.1 meters) arm. These tools include the Alpha Particle X-Ray Spectrometer (APXS), which measures elemental composition, and the Mars Hand Lens Imager close-up camera, or MAHLI.
The rover performed these initial "contact science" operations on Saturday and Sunday (Sept. 22 and 23), researchers said. Photos snapped on those days show Curiosity's arm (http://www.space.com/16857-mars-rover-curiosity-robotic-arm.html) sidled up against "Jake Matijevic," with the arm's turret obscuring most of the 16-inch-tall (25 centimeters) rock.
"I did a science! 1st contact science on rock target Jake," the Curiosity team announced Saturday (Sept. 22) via the rover's Twitter feed @MarsCuriosity, which has more than 1.1 million followers. "Here's an action shot." [Curiosity Mars Rover: 11 Amazing Facts (http://www.space.com/13699-nasa-mars-rover-curiosity-11-facts.html)]
Curiosity also zapped "Jake Matijevic" with the laser on its ChemCam instrument, which reads rock composition from the vaporized bits. Comparing the results should help cross-calibrate the two instruments, researchers said.
The ChemCam work wrapped up Monday (Sept. 24), at which point Curiosity embarked on a 138-foot (42 m) drive — the longest one-day jaunt for the rover since it landed inside Mars' Gale Crater (http://www.space.com/16708-mars-rover-curiosity-landing-site-infographic.html) on the night of Aug. 5.

Curiosity is making its way toward a site called Glenelg, which lies 1,300 feet (400 m) from the rover's touchdown site. Before Monday's drive, the mission team had said Curiosity was about halfway to Glenelg.
Scientists will likely soon begin looking for sandy areas to try out Curiosity's scooping system for the first time. The arm will deposit bits of Martian soil into the analytical instruments on the rover's body, which are known as SAM (Sample Analysis at Mars (http://www.space.com/47-mars-the-red-planet-fourth-planet-from-the-sun.html)) and CheMin (short for Chemistry & Mineralogy). 
[Related: Stunning photo shows rover tracks from space (http://yhoo.it/RQGwX9)]
The first use of Curiosity's rock-boring drill, which also sits at the end of the rover's arm, will come sometime after that, researchers have said.
While team members are keen to see what Curiosity discovers at Glenelg, the $2.5 billion rover's main destination is the base of Mount Sharp. This odd mountain rises 3.4 miles (5.5 km) into the Red Planet sky from Gale Crater's center, and its foothills show signs of long-ago exposure to liquid water.
Those foothills lie about 6 miles (10 km) away from Curiosity's landing site. The rover — whose main task is to determine if the Gale area could ever have supported microbial life — may be ready to turn its wheels toward the interesting deposits near the end of the year, scientists have said.
The rock "Jake Matijevic" takes its name from Curiosity's surface operations systems chief engineer, who died Aug. 20 at the age of 64. Matijevic, who was based at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif., also worked on all three previous Mars rovers — Sojourner, Spirit and Opportunity — NASA officials said.
Follow SPACE.com senior writer Mike Wall on Twitter @michaeldwall (http://twitter.com/michaeldwall) or SPACE.com @Spacedotcom (http://twitter.com/spacedotcom). We're also on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Spacecom/17610706465) and Google+ (https://plus.google.com/b/109556515093730290049/109556515093730290049).

Važnije od ovog linka, a na njemu sam našao, je nastupanje pork-aggedon-a.  :cry:

Bre, robot se baškari na Marsu a ti uspevaš samo da misliš o slanini. Zastrašujuć primer adikcije!!!

Svaka budala ima svoje veselje.


Zamisli da šapa Radoznalca nije pipala vrh piramidice da bi pufnula u nju i očitala sastav, nego da je pokušala da je mrdne i ustanovi da li ispod tog vrška možda postoji prava piramida sa stargate prolazom za Universe. Jel' možeš da zamisliš? Ne možeš. A ja mogu da zamislim Slaninijadu sledeće godine u Kačarevu. "Briši iz mog sokaka kad ne znaš da sanjaš!" (Mika Antić - moj drug od pre 50 godina).

Sarmagedon zvuči još strašnije  :(

Biće i toga ako počnu da hrane krave kupusom.

Remnants of Ancient Streambed on Mars (http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/images/?ImageID=4723)

Argh  :-? :-? :-?

Spidery black objects on Mars surface raise speculation (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/spidery-black-objects-mars-surface-raise-speculation-184239849.html) (https://www.znaksagite.com/diskusije/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi50.tinypic.com%2F2dbqt1t.jpg&hash=7c2e3cf904fd99d097593387c0d008a20d479287)

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Someone alert Ziggy Stardust, there appear to be spiders on Mars.
Strange black objects seen from 200 miles above the surface of Mars are generating interest and speculation that the unidentified objects could be anything from geysers to sunbathing colonies of microorganisms.
NPR (http://www.npr.org/blogs/krulwich/2012/10/02/162147810/are-those-spidery-black-things-on-mars-dangerous-yup) presents several photos of the objects, including one taken by the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter on Jan. 27, 2010, that appears to show "little black flecks dotting the ridges, mostly on the sunny side, like sunbathing spiders sitting in rows."
The objects were first spotted in 1998. Interestingly, they appear when the surface of Mars begins to warm, showing up in the same location most of the time. And then when the Martian winter approaches, they disappear with the same precise regularity. The images have been brought into greater detail by Michael Benson in his book "Planetfall: New Solar System Visions (http://www.amazon.com/Planetfall-New-Solar-System-Visions/dp/1419704222)."
Most scientists, including teams from the U.S. Geological Survey, Hungary and the European Space Agency, have their own theories, but the leading explanation is that the objects are geysers of CO2 exploding from underneath the planet's surface.
"If you were there, you'd be standing on a slab of carbon dioxide ice," Phil Christensen of Arizona State University told NPR. "All around you, roaring jets of carbon dioxide gas are throwing sand and dust a couple hundred feet into the air. The ground below would be rumbling. You'd feel it in your space boots."
And while the geyser theory is the most popular explanation, it has yet to be verified.
In the meantime, there are some interesting alternative theories, including one from a group of Hungarian scientists, who have speculated that the objects are actually colonies of photosynthetic Martian microorganisms that emerge each year to sunbathe in the warm weather.

Nije vezano za Kjuriositi, ali je vezano za Mars i život na njemu. Naime, ako pretpostavimo da je na Marsu bilo života i da je bio dovoljno sličan zemaljskom (što bi dalje pretpostavilo zajednički izvor) da ima DNK, onda neki sledeći robotski istraživač Marsa može da nosi sa sobom DNK sekvencer, pronađe ostatke DNK, analizira sekvencu i pošalje je na zemlju gde onda u laboratoriji može da se inženjerskim, jelte, radom, kreira, da ne kažem klonira Marsovac. To je bar, hm, teorija:

Life on Mars? Scientists hope to find it by decoding Martian DNA (http://www.latimes.com/news/science/sciencenow/la-sn-looking-for-dna-on-mars-20121018,0,2801874.story) 

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  Apparently, there just aren't enough genomes for Craig Venter to sequence here on Earth, so he's making plans to send a DNA (http://www.latimes.com/topic/health/human-body/dna-HHA000078.topic) sequencer to Mars.
"There will be life forms there," Venter said, with his usual confidence, at a Wired Health conference this week in New York.
If he can build a machine to find it, the next steps would be to decode its DNA, beam it back to Earth, put those genetic instructions into a cell and then boot up a Martian life form in a biosecure lab.
It may sound far-fetched, but assuming that there is DNA to be found on the Red Planet – a big assumption, to be sure – the notion of equipping a future Mars rover to sequence the DNA isn't so crazy.
Venter has already sent his yacht around the globe to scoop up seawater (http://articles.latimes.com/2007/nov/24/science/sci-venter24) and sequence whatever DNA it found in marine microbes. He has also been working on technology to create small genomes from scratch (http://articles.latimes.com/2008/jan/25/science/sci-synthetic25) and insert them into living cells to bring these organisms to life. The difference now is that all of this technology would be applied to Mars.
It's highly unlikely that any DNA-based life forms could survive on the Martian surface, so Venter's "biological teleporter" (as he dubbed it) would dig under the surface for samples to sequence. If they find anything, "it would take only 4.3 minutes to get the Martians back to Earth," he said. "Now we can rebuild the Martians in a P4 spacesuit lab."
Venter isn't the only one looking for Martian DNA. According to this report (http://www.technologyreview.com/news/429662/genome-hunters-go-after-martian-dna/) in MIT (http://www.latimes.com/topic/science-technology/massachusetts-institute-of-technology-OREDU000047.topic)'s Technology Review, so is Jonathan Rothberg, founder of the genome sequencing company Ion Torrent.
Rothberg is working with NASA (http://www.latimes.com/topic/science-technology/space-programs/nasa-ORGOV000098.topic)-funded scientists from MIT and Harvard to adapt his company's Personal Genome Machine for use on Mars, the report says. It's part of a NASA astrobiology project known as the Search for Extra-Terrestrial Genomes, or SETG (https://astrobiology.nasa.gov/astep/projects/nnh07zda001n-astid/a-search-for-extra-terrestrial-genomes-setg-an-in/).
MIT research scientist Christopher Carr is part of a group that's "building a a miniature RNA/DNA sequencer to search for life beyond Earth," according to his website (http://web.mit.edu/chrisc/www/Research.html). "Top places to look include Mars, Enceladus [a moon of Saturn], and Europa [a moon of Jupiter]."
Carr told Tech Review that one of the biggest challenges is shrinking Ion Torrent's 30-kilogram machine down to a mere 3 kg – light enough to fit on a Mars rover.
That's just one of the hurdles. NASA has no firm plans for a rover to succeed Curiosity (http://www.latimes.com/news/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-rover-astronaut-mppg-nasa-mars-exploration-20120925,0,3681733.story), the lab-on-wheels that reached the Red Planet in August. Even if a new rover gets the green light, there's no guarantee that a gene sequencer would get one of the coveted spots for research instruments.
There's more on this plan (http://www.technologyreview.com/news/429662/genome-hunters-go-after-martian-dna/) on the Tech Review website. You can watch Venter explain his plan at the Wired Health conference here (http://fora.tv/2012/10/16/Craig_Venter_Health_Genomics_Research_and_Power) (beginning at around the 11-minute mark).
Return to the Science Now blog (http://www.latimes.com/news/science/sciencenow/).
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Vest, za sad, deluje zanimljivo...

QuoteNaučnici u NASA-i ovih dana nalaze se na velikim mukama
- na pragu su važnog otkrića o kojem još uvek ne mogu da obaveste javnost.

Quote"Ovo je podatak koji će se naći u istorijskim knjigama", tvrdi Džon Grocinger,
glavni NASA-in istraživač u misiji ispitivanja Marsa uz pomoć rovera "Kjuriosti".

Izvor i ceo tekst:
B92 - NASA: Tajna koju vam (ne)smemo reći (http://www.b92.net/zivot/vesti.php?yyyy=2012&mm=11&dd=20&nav_id=661731)

Izgleda da hoće da nam saopšte da su saznali da kraj sveta dolazi u decembru.

Našli vodu na Marsu?  :?

Quote from: Lord Kufer on 20-11-2012, 14:22:51
Našli vodu na Marsu?  :?

Ne verujem, bar dok prvo ne nađu vodu u Kaluđerici.

Verovatno su otkrili da je na Marsu nekada postojao rudimentarni život.

Nešto nalik na Zemun?

Quote from: Meho Krljic on 20-11-2012, 15:40:01
Nešto nalik na Zemun?

:lol:

Još nisu objavili javnosti, ali na vestima kažu nezvanično da su otkrili neki oblik života. Ne da je nekada postojao, nego živo u ovom trenutku!

Quote from: mac on 27-11-2012, 00:55:05
Još nisu objavili javnosti, ali na vestima kažu nezvanično da su otkrili neki oblik života.
Ne da je nekada postojao, nego živo u ovom trenutku!

Au... :?

Al ipak da sacekamo!! (Sta cu kad sam skeptik  :) )
Ima li na tom izvoru kad ce ovi izaci sa zvanicnom informacijom?

Objaviće na skupu Američke geofizičke unije. Skup počinje trećeg decembra.

I, šta bi? Našli upuvak?

Nije lose biti skeptik  8-)

QuotePoslednjih dana svet je sa nestrpljenjem očekivao "epohalne novosti" sa Marsa koje je najavila NASA,
međutim, čini se da najavljeno otkriće neće biti toliko velikih razmera.

Quote"Neće baš toliko uzdrmati svet, ali biće zanimljivo",
kazao je američkom časopisu "Tajm" predstavnik NASA za javnost

B92: Vesti sa Marsa ipak nisu epohalne (http://www.b92.net/zivot/vesti.php?yyyy=2012&mm=11&dd=28&nav_id=664136)

Dakle, o čemu se radilo? Evo:

NASA's "History Book"-Worthy Discovery Is Really Just a Big Misunderstanding (http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2012/11/27/nasa_mars_discovery_misunderstanding_mission_leader_excited_about_entire.html)

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Well, this is a letdown.
  Remember last week when we told you (http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2012/11/20/mars_discovery_nasa_touts_curiosity_data_that_points_to_historic_discovery.html) about how NASA's Curiosity rover had reportedly sent back some very interesting data from Mars in the form of a soil sample that could be, in the apparent words of one of the mission's leaders, "one for the history books"? Yeah, well, now NASA is saying that all the hype is actually just a giant misunderstanding between the scientist and the NPR reporter who interviewed him (http://www.npr.org/2012/11/20/165513016/big-news-from-mars-rover-scientists-mum-for-now)—a mistake that was then multiplied many times over by each news outlet (again, including us (http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2012/11/20/mars_discovery_nasa_touts_curiosity_data_that_points_to_historic_discovery.html)) who picked up the story.
  Here, let's have Mashable (http://mashable.com/2012/11/27/curiosity-rover-discovery-npr/), which did the legwork to follow up on the original NPR report, explain (http://mashable.com/2012/11/27/curiosity-rover-discovery-npr/) (emphasis ours):
 

The quote heard around the world came shortly after [scientist John] Grotzinger explained that NASA had just received the initial data from Curiosity's first soil experiment using a new Sample Analysis at Mars (SAM) instrument, which is capable of identifying organic compounds.

 

Naturally, the public assumed that this meant Curiosity had discovered a complex organic molecule. But while NASA does have the latest soil samples, the mission team tells

Mashable that researchers haven't determined that particular groundbreaking discovery. ...

 

What Grotzinger was actually trying to convey is that Curiosity's data over her entire two-year mission will further our knowledge of Mars more than ever before, making it a historical mission.

  So to recap, Grotzinger was apparently trying to express just how excited he was about the entire mission, not about any one specific discovery; it is the sum of all of Curiosity's past and future discoveries that he thinks will be historic. His particular choice of words—"This data is gonna be one for the history books"—however, along with the suggestion that his team was currently double- and triple-checking data it had received (something that is standard procedure) gave NPR the mistaken impression that there was something specific that NASA was eager to celebrate as a major discovery.
  The original NPR report (http://www.npr.org/2012/11/20/165513016/big-news-from-mars-rover-scientists-mum-for-now) made it pretty clear that the reporter doing the interview, veteran science correspondent Joe Palca, thought Grotzinger was hyping a specific result:
 

Grotzinger says they recently put a soil sample in SAM, and the analysis shows something remarkable. "This data is gonna be one for the history books. It's looking really good," he says.

 

Grotzinger can see the pained look on my face as I wait, hoping he'll tell me what the heck he's found, but he's not providing any more information.

  While it's a little odd that NASA's communication team didn't manage to quickly quash the rumor after the original report aired, Veronica McGregor, NASA's news and social media manager for the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, told The Slatest late Tuesday night that they did their best to set the story straight.
  The day after the story first aired, the team used Curiosity's official Twitter account (https://twitter.com/MarsCuriosity?tw_i=271325919493369856&tw_e=screenname&tw_p=tweetembed) to tweet: "What did I discover on Mars? That rumors spread fast online. My team considers this whole mission 'one for the history books'." That message, however, was largely lost in cyberspace over the long holiday weekend, possibly in small part because the account often strikes a somewhat whimsical tone (https://twitter.com/MarsCuriosity/status/237286713867771904). But McGregor told us that NASA was also sure to pass along the correct info to any media outlet that inquired about the quote in question.
  As for how the original misunderstanding happened in the first place, McGregor explained:
 

"The short story is NPR was there when the first soil results were hitting the ground and the team was ecstatic to see data. Could they analyze that data on the fly and give an accurate result? No. In fact, they've spent a good part of two weeks sorting through the data in order to reach conclusions based on solid science."

  Regardless of whether you're willing to buy into a conspiracy theory (and let's be honest, this is NASA, so some people will (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_landing_conspiracy_theories)), it's pretty clear that anyone hoping for major news of the type originally suggested will have to keep waiting for now. Grotzinger and his team are set to discuss their latest findings on Monday at a meeting of the American Geophysical Union in San Francisco, but a NASA spokesman tells the New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/28/science/space/undisclosed-finding-by-mars-rover-fuels-intrigue.html) that those findings will be "interesting" rather than "earthshaking."  A version of this post was first published on Tuesday at 6:01 p.m.   

Ali za utjehu: ima vode na Merkuru!

NASA Finds Water and Organic Matter In Mercury (http://gizmodo.com/5964357/nasa-finds-water-and-organic-matter-in-mercury?tag=astronomy)

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NASA has confirmed a surprising, counterintuitive discovery. The burning hell known Mercury—the closest planet to the Sun—has water. Frozen water. Three new research papers, based on data obtained by the Messenger spacecraft, show undeniable evidence.
It's not just a little bit of water, but a huge amount: enough to cover Washington D.C. in ice. But there is more: there's organic material too! NASA researchers believe that Mercury received this material in the same way as Earth did, millions of years ago. And that material, they say, were the building blocks of life.
The results—obtained with three different instruments—were being presented in a press conference at NASA HQ in Washington D.C. These findings confirm previous hypothesis and observations, but they are still surprising. Mercury is the closest planet to the Sun and has no atmosphere. That means that it gets extremely hot and extremely cold: The planet's surface temperature ranges from 50 K (-369.67F/-223.15C) to 700 K (800.33F/426.85C).
But thanks to its angle in relation to our home star, there are areas that are always in shadow. That's where the ice sleeps, protected from the sun's radiation by this shadow and dark organic deposits that insulate the water from the sun.
Even more exciting: NASA scientists think that this "complex mix of organic materials" is similar to the material that eventually gave rise to life on Earth. And as in Earth's case, scientists speculate that this material was probably brought to Mercury by comets colliding with the planet's surface.
The yellow inside the craters indicates the presence of water ice:

NASA scientists obtained this data using three methods: neutron spectrometry, near-infrared reflectance, and thermal models obtained by Messenger. The results are unequivocal; according to the project director "there's no other compound" it could be. Every piece of data coincides.

Jes ti sećaš da li su nas učili da Merkur ne rotira? A zapravo rotira jako sporo, dan (jedna rotacija) mu je duži od godine (jedna revolucija). A sunce u zenitu, gledano sa Merkura, zastane i vrati se unazad pa onda nastavi dalje...

ovde ima i animacija:
http://cseligman.com/text/planets/mercuryrot.htm (http://cseligman.com/text/planets/mercuryrot.htm)

How to Create Conspiracy Theories 101 by NASA.

Voda na Merkuru, život na Marsu, sve znaju a niko ništa ne govori.
Mislim da im je Kjuriositi prosledio poruku tipa -vodite me svom vođi i pošto planovi za vaše ultra oružje a ako nije, ima je u memoriji i na CD-u.

Vode u svemiru ima kolko oćeš. To je još Tales znao.

Istorija vode na Marsu

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-20900843 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-20900843)

Panorama Marsa oko Curiosity (ala Street View - pa ne baš ali nešto slično) (via Wired) (http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2013/02/curiosity-drill-panorama/)

Razgledajte okolo... Zumirajte...


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Čime se bavi Curiosity?


Curiosity Rover Report (February 15, 2013): Curiosity Drills on Mars (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoGGdEpso84#ws)

NASA Mars Curiosity Rover Report -- March 15, 2013 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65Xr4AdAY2A#ws)

Curiosity Rover Report (April 12, 2013): Mars' Bygone Atmosphere (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8OUL9QYNpI#ws)

Nije kjuriositi, nije ni Mars al da ne otvaram nov topik...


Hello Jupiter! NASA spacecraft arrives at giant planet (https://www.yahoo.com/news/nasas-juno-spacecraft-prepares-cosmic-date-jupiter-070643984.html)

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PASADENA, Calif. (AP) — Braving intense radiation, a NASA spacecraft reached Jupiter on Monday after a five-year voyage to begin exploring the king of the planets.
Ground controllers at the NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory and Lockheed Martin erupted in applause when the solar-powered Juno spacecraft beamed home news that it was circling Jupiter's poles.
The arrival at Jupiter was dramatic. As Juno approached its target, it fired its rocket engine to slow itself down and gently slipped into orbit. Because of the communication time lag between Jupiter and Earth, Juno was on autopilot when it executed the daring move.
"Juno, welcome to Jupiter," said mission control commentator Jennifer Delavan of Lockheed Martin, which built Juno.
The spacecraft's camera and other instruments were switched off for arrival, so there won't be any pictures at the moment it reaches its destination. Hours before the encounter, NASA released a series of images taken last week during the approach, showing Jupiter glowing yellow in the distance, circled by its four inner moons.
Scientists have promised close-up views of the planet when Juno skims the cloud tops during the 20-month, $1.1 billion mission.
The fifth rock from the sun and the heftiest planet in the solar system, Jupiter is what's known as a gas giant — a ball of hydrogen and helium — unlike rocky Earth and Mars.
With its billowy clouds and colorful stripes, Jupiter is an extreme world that likely formed first, shortly after the sun. Unlocking its history may hold clues to understanding how Earth and the rest of the solar system developed.
Named after Jupiter's cloud-piercing wife in Roman mythology, Juno is only the second mission designed to spend time at Jupiter.
Galileo, launched in 1989, circled Jupiter for nearly a decade, beaming back splendid views of the planet and its numerous moons. It uncovered signs of an ocean beneath the icy surface of the moon Europa, considered a top target in the search for life outside Earth.
Juno's mission: To peer through Jupiter's cloud-socked atmosphere and map the interior from a unique vantage point above the poles. Among the lingering questions: How much water exists? Is there a solid core? Why are Jupiter's southern and northern lights the brightest in the solar system?
"What Juno's about is looking beneath that surface," Juno chief scientist Scott Bolton said before the arrival. "We've got to go down and look at what's inside, see how it's built, how deep these features go, learn about its real secrets."
There's also the mystery of its Great Red Spot. Recent observations by the Hubble Space Telescope revealed the centuries-old monster storm in Jupiter's atmosphere is shrinking.
The trek to Jupiter, spanning nearly five years and 1.8 billion miles (2.8 billion kilometers), took Juno on a tour of the inner solar system followed by a swing past Earth that catapulted it beyond the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter.
Along the way, Juno became the first spacecraft to cruise that far out powered by the sun, beating Europe's comet-chasing Rosetta spacecraft. A trio of massive solar wings sticks out from Juno like blades from a windmill, generating 500 watts of power to run its nine instruments.
In the coming days, Juno will turn its instruments back on, but the real work won't begin until late August when the spacecraft swings in closer. Plans called for Juno to swoop within 3,000 miles (5,000 kilometers) of Jupiter's clouds — closer than previous missions — to map the planet's gravity and magnetic fields in order to learn about the interior makeup.
Juno is an armored spacecraft — its computer and electronics are locked in a titanium vault to shield them from harmful radiation. Even so, Juno is expected to get blasted with radiation equal to more than 100 million dental X-rays during the mission.
Like Galileo before it, Juno meets its demise in 2018 when it deliberately dives into Jupiter's atmosphere and disintegrates — a necessary sacrifice to prevent any chance of accidentally crashing into the planet's potentially habitable moons.

Men' nikad neće bit jasno nešto u vezi tih spejs travela....
Ako je gore tamo ništa izmedju nebeskih tela, onda ne bi trebalo da ima otpora sproću kretanja nečega.
Kako to da kad se neki endžin odvoji od Zemljine gravitacije i ne udari recimo ubrzanje od 1 metra po sekundi, to ubrzanje ne rase exponencijalno?
Sledeće sekunde putuje 2m/s, pa 3m/s, i sve tako u nedogled?
Šta ga to sprečava?

Pošto o tome postoje samo torije, uvek ću biti za to da je SajFaj mlooogo pametniji od svih "naučnika" .
Ko nam garantuje da NASA nikad nije ništa lansirala u spejs, nego samo sto tako, pusti nam neke CGI maštarije da opravdaju budžet?

Aaa, ti si dramatično pozaboravljo komplet osnovnoškolsku fiziku. Ubrzanje se dešava ako na telo deluje sila. Ako ne deluje ne dešava se, to nema veze sa vakuumom. Njutn pt. 2: The return of Njutn:


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton%27s_Second_Law

Ahaaaa,,,,znači neko je odredio te zakone fizike da nemaju baš smisla sa našim maštarijama i željama, nego su pod uticajem neke više sile,inteligencije, itd.....lepo,lepo,,,bravo za njutna...otkud mu bre vakuum da to ispita sve,,,,svaka mu čast!

Taj Njutn, porobljivač slobodnih, rušitelj najtananijih ljudskih sanja  :( Kako li je pravio vakuum u laboratoriji, sigurno stara fora sveće i flaše...

Aha...na planeti zemlji vakuum u flaši i dalje ima gravitaciju, što nije isto van solarnog sistema.
Ali nema veze, ko sam ja da ispitujem Njutna, jelte...

Gravitacija i vakuum su sasvim različite stvari. Ispaljen metak na Zemlji, u atmosferi, ne pada na tlo jer ga vazduh uspori nego jer sila kojom je izbačen više ne deluje  a Zemljino gravitaciono polje je snažno na toj razdaljini. U "svemiru" bi mogao da nastavi da leti ako je dovoljno udaljen od gravitacionih centara (planeta i drugih nebeskih tela) ali ako na njega ne deluje neka sila - gravitaciona ili kakva druga  - neće ubrzavati.

Otkud znaš?
Si opalio metak u svemir? :D

Eh, tom logikom svaki put kad legnem da spavam treba da se pitam da li ću se probuditi kao žensko...



...ili leptir.

najn...not the same...
nema veze jedno s' drugim...

Pokušavam da kažem da je "sumnjaj u sve" zdrava logika dok ti ne parališe intelekt jer prestaješ da prihvataš ijednu potvrdu i sumnjaš u bukvalno sve. Onda postaješ Homer Simpson u ovom klipu:


https://youtu.be/l-W8Ox3YsAE

Eh, pa zar Ugli sumnja u sve? [emoji38] Drugi bi ga baš opisali kao nekog ko nepokolebljivo veruje u nešto.

Ama, naprotiv,ljudi, slažem se ja i sa svom fizikom, hemijom, ma šta hoćete dokle god je u domenu nauke i istine, sve mi pije vodu, ebre, pa ne bi bilo ništa od svega na svetu da nije tako.
Sve dok sajentisti ne krenu da teoretišu i fantaziraju mimo svojih okvira i to krenu da mi uvaljuju za nauku.
Ili kad krene nebitna polemika oko nevažnih stvari.
Tipa, ima tamo negde planeta na koju bi mogli da živimo, ali nikad nećemo stići tamo.U zabole me i da ima 100 000 takvih planeta.

Osim ako neko ne dokaže da vakuum u boci na planeti Zemlji nije isto što i vakuum u svemiru.

Da li je planeta stara 6 bijardi godina ili 6000...isto mu dodje, mi ni dan danas ne znamo tačan način izrade piramida od pre 3000 godina, a tripujemo se da znamo kako su se šetali pećinski ljudi i dinosauri...cvrc..I imamo neke fotke iz NASE koju sliko neki satelit....lakše da su pitali holivud da im sastavi....i jeftinije....

Naravno da nije isto šest milijardi i šest hiljada. Šest hiljada se ne uklapa u sve drugo što znamo o svetu.

Ako već sitničarimo, onda ću da kažem da 6 milijardi milimetara jeste 6 hiljada kilometara. [emoji38]

Quote from: mac on 11-09-2016, 01:07:48
Naravno da nije isto šest milijardi i šest hiljada. Šest hiljada se ne uklapa u sve drugo što znamo o svetu.

U ono što znamo se uklapa.U ono što mislimo da znamo ne.

Kakvi su ovo gaferi, ebemmmu....ovaj je iz neke paralelne realnosti gde nisu nekoliko puta išli na mesec,,,,?
sorry, NASA,,,,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlXG0REiVzE

:mrgreen:

(https://www.znaksagite.com/diskusije/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffs5.directupload.net%2Fimages%2F161130%2Fm98758ns.jpg&hash=f05ddeeae9a2499ccc6e9c439d5871db953647ba)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQLTlDbm45Q