Pratite li sta se desava?
Pomalo, koliko Džon Stjuart dozvoljava. Hilari je glavni kandidat demokrata. Kod republikanaca tipujem na Marka Rubia, iako je mlad, jer nije som kao Ted Kruz, a nije ni neprijatno blizu demokratama kao Rand Pol. Rand Pol bi bio okej, cenim. Da Hilari pobedi bila bi prva žena predsednik, i ja podržavam žene, samo što bih nekako voleo da prva žena nije Klinton. Ima boljih žena za to, kao što su Nensi Pelosi i Elizabet Voren, ali ko mene pita. Ova Elizabeta nije samo potpuno čestita, i čovek i po, nego još i podseća na Anet Bening kad je očijukala na filmu sa predsednikom Majklom Daglasom. Ali ko mene pita.
Elem, tek je počelo, čekamo ostale pajace da se pojave. I naravno Tramp. Kris Kristi (rep.) misli da ima neke šanse, ali smešan je u tim očekivanjima. Ako se ne obruka kao Rik Peri prošle godine, smatraću to uspehom za njega.
Zasto bi?
Ameri su par godina pre obame indoktrinirali populaciju kroz Morgan Frimena i Deni glovera i jos par filmova i serija da crnac treba biti prcednik u USA.
Imali smo od skora par slucajeva sa zenskim precednicama, testirali s u u'rvatskoj, i voila!
Merkel tamo, Klintonka vamo, nista prostije, a svi komplet finansirani od istih para MMFa i ostalih sto vladaju demokratijom.
Cemu polemike?
tradicija kaže da je republikanac budući pobjednik, tako da su Hilari uvalili vruć krompir, da izgubi pa u penziju
I ja sam zena, ali nisam odusevljena idejom da Hilary bude predsednica samo zato sto je zena, a zena do sada nije bila na tom polozaju (u Americi). Videla sam njen promo video i malo mi izgleda fake. Sa druge strane ovaj republikanac Marco je opasna konkurencija. Mlad je, dete emigranata sa Kube, iz srednje radnicke klase, kako kaze okrenut buducnosti. Bice interesantno pratiti, mada ja za sad nemam favorita.
Sto se zena tice nadala sam se da ce Condoleezza Rice da se kandiduje, ali nije (jos uvek).
Ja sam Rubia spazio (http://www.znaksagite.com/diskusije/index.php?topic=9305.msg441134#msg441134) već tamo 2012. godine. Linkovi na toj temi ne rade, ali njegova gostovanja na Daily Showu su skupljena na ovom linku, koji nadam se neće zastareti za 2-3 godine: http://thedailyshow.cc.com/guests/marco-rubio (http://thedailyshow.cc.com/guests/marco-rubio) . Obratiti pažnju da su sva tri njegova gostovanja proizvela "produžen intervju", to jest bili su toliko zanimljivi da ga je Džon svaki put ispratio do kraja narativa, i traju po 20-30 minuta, umesto standardnih 5-10.
ne pratim nešto naročito, ali u svjetlu rukovanja Obame sa Kastrom ovaj Rubio djeluje kao iz keca u kec. Uglymfova opaska o kulturalnom kondicioniranju kroz prikaz crnih predsjednika na filmu ili TV-u gotovo se preslikava i kod Stjuarta
znači Rubio će biti drugi rimokatolik na tronu SAD, novi Kenedi, jelte... a i baš je swadak 8-)
Rubiju ne daju velike sanse koliko sam ja razumeo, ipak je on kubanskog porekla, ne znam kako ce to proci kod republikanskih glasaca. Generalno kad se uzme u obzir cela istorija predsednickih izbora u Americi, osim Kenedija i Obame svi ostali pobednici su uglavnom bili WASP-ovi
da, ali Latinosa ima više nego crnaca, a svakako zajedno glasaju za iste, prošli put za Obamu, ovaj put za Rubia, to ti je glatkih 30% glasova, i da napabirče još 15% od Poljaka i ostalih Slovena, i po koji WASP da im da, pobjeda je tu
mislim da je prošlo vrijeme u kojem neki bijeli kauboj može da osvoji tako lako mjesto predsjednika, mora da se ulaguje Afro i Hispano-Amerikancima, a realno i ovi hoće malo svoje da vide na vrhu
Republikanci imaju velike probleme sa osiromašenim delom stanovništva, koje neće da glasa za njih. Moraju da se dovijaju na razne načine, prekrajajući granice izbornih jedinica, ali to može tako samo kod glasanja za kongresmene, i tu su za sada uspešni. Kad je glasanje za predsednika u pitanju onda tu nemaju rešenje. Buš mlađi im je dobro smestio svojim diletantizmom, a razni republički kongresmeni to još bolje cementiraju i raja ih više ne voli. Rubio je tu da pokupi te glasove niže klase. Ako su republikanci ludi nisu baš i glupi.
To stoji, protestanti polako ali sigurno gube primat u SAD. Doduse republikanci i nemaju neki bogat izbor kandidata za predsednika, jedno vreme je fugurirao Kris Kristi kao neki potencijal, prikupio je simpatije posle uragana Sendi ali ga je onda ujebao onaj skandal sa zatvaranjem nekog mosta cini mi se...
Quote from: mac on 14-04-2015, 19:15:23
Ja sam Rubia spazio (http://www.znaksagite.com/diskusije/index.php?topic=9305.msg441134#msg441134) već tamo 2012. godine. Linkovi na toj temi ne rade, ali njegova gostovanja na Daily Showu su skupljena na ovom linku, koji nadam se neće zastareti za 2-3 godine: http://thedailyshow.cc.com/guests/marco-rubio (http://thedailyshow.cc.com/guests/marco-rubio) . Obratiti pažnju da su sva tri njegova gostovanja proizvela "produžen intervju", to jest bili su toliko zanimljivi da ga je Džon svaki put ispratio do kraja narativa, i traju po 20-30 minuta, umesto standardnih 5-10.
Hvala Mac , ali video klipovi sa intervjuima mi se ne otvaraju. Pre 5+ Godina sam Jim Stewarta gotovo religiozno gledala. Sto njega sto The Colbert Report. Onda su postali sve popularniji, a meni nekako sve manje interesantni pa tako nisam ni videla ove intervjue. Potrazicu ih na youtubu.
Nedostajace mi Obama :cry:
Randy Marsh - Obama Songs (South Park) - german version (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2ZTIi-0Mrk#ws)
Hmmm, svidja mi se sta ima da kaze u vezi obrazovanja
Marco Rubio: The Education System Needs Disruption (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAzujcRJ2fM#ws)
ma dobro to američko ''siromaštvo'', no privlačenje latinske Amerike je više nego korisno, i realno, to je Bžežinski propagirao još devedesetih, da se zaokruži ''novi svijet'', pogotovo što je potpuno izvan kontrole SAD, koja se zamajavala sa Bliskim istokom, pa sad i Rusijom.
Konsolidovaće odnose sa sad već jakom Južnom Amerikom, koja ima tolike milione svojih rođaka u SAD-u, još predsjednik Latinos pride, Bog da ih vidi. Sve je sasvim logično, u teoriji je perfektno da Hispano-Amerikanac bude novi predsjednik, ko jebe Hilari.
a i kao da to ima neke veze, oboje rade za istog finansijera, ljudi, aman...
ko jos podrzava sisteme u kojima bogatasi ne vladaju sirotinjom, zakonima , drzavom, demokratijom, izborima...?
Nadam se da smo svesni da je njihova spoljna politika steady as she goes...to ukljucuje i nas. Tako da nam je maltene svejedno koja frakcija ce pobediti. Nisam pratila, ali ne bih tipovala na ovog hispano amerikanca, koliko god kvalitetan program i nastup imao.
Ja mislim da je Amerikancima (delom) muka Obama experimenta, ne mogu ga ocima videti, te Hilari kao demokrata nema bas neke sanse. Njeno je pasalo, cini mi se.
Stekli su se uslovi za povratak konzervativnijeg politicara, i ko god im ostavi oruzje i tradicionalne vrednosti na miru, glasace za njega. Samo da nije 'socijalista' (njihova kvalifikacija) kao Obama.
No dobro, videcemo. Kao sto rekoh, meni je licno svejedno.
Quote from: Mileva on 14-04-2015, 20:02:06
Hvala Mac , ali video klipovi sa intervjuima mi se ne otvaraju. Pre 5+ Godina sam Jim Stewarta gotovo religiozno gledala. Sto njega sto The Colbert Report. Onda su postali sve popularniji, a meni nekako sve manje interesantni pa tako nisam ni videla ove intervjue. Potrazicu ih na youtubu.
Kako to izgleda kad se ne otvaraju? Probao sam i na drugom brauzeru gde nemam neke dodatke, i ide prvo reklama, a onda video. Jesi li u Srbiji? Oni imaju neka ograničenja na sajtu, i ne možeš da gledaš cele epizode ako nisi u SAD, ali možeš pojedinačne klipove. Možda imaju još neka ograničenja ako si, šta znam, u Severnoj Koreji. Šta ćeš tamo uopšte?
Edit: Internet Explorer ne otvara video, nego na dnu prozora pita da li želim da otvorim "mediaplayerprime 2.10.16.swf". Ne znam šta se sad IE buni, ali fleš mi lepo radi na Firefoxu i Chromeu. A YouTube radi u IE. Go figure.
nije u Koreji nego u Dubaiju!
Liberali su se izgleda uplašili Rubia. Evo članak, ovlaš pročitao, i vidim samo uvredljivo etiketiranje, a od rezonovanja niš. Samo jednu stvar su pomenuli koja ima smisla, a to je da je Rubio možda "zec" za Džeba Buša. Napraviće se situacija da njih dvojica budu glavni kandidati, a onda Džeb pokupi kajmak. Moguće je.
http://gawker.com/get-to-know-marco-rubio-the-biggest-idiot-running-for-1697567638 (http://gawker.com/get-to-know-marco-rubio-the-biggest-idiot-running-for-1697567638)
The plot thickens. Na demokratskoj strani Berni Sanders narušava (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/polls-show-bernie-sanders-winning-the-democratic-nomination_b_8069452.html) Klintonkinu hegemoniju. Retorika mu je skroz socijalna. Narod se izgleda uželeo promena.
Ako izuzmemo Trampa (a ne bi trebalo) na republičkoj strani trenutno najpopularniji je autsajder Ben Karson (http://www.mediaite.com/online/what-happens-when-donald-trump-attacks-ben-carson/), crnac, neurohirurg, posvećeni hrišćanin. Jedini republički kandidat koji može da makne Trampa, ako bi ostali samo njih dvojica.
Bilo bi interesantno da ova dvojica prevagnu. Narod bi profitirao ko god od njih dvojice da pobedi.
Kako stoji Deez Nuts?
Slabo. Captain Crunch ga pretekao.
Heh, Mark Rubio oće dispadne kul, ispadne smešan (http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/gops-rubio-minecraft-prepare-kids-future-33523239), ali to je nekako simpatično:
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"If you play 'Minecraft,' you're basically writing code when you're converting a hammer into a pickax," Rubio said. "Kids might not realize they're coding, but that's going to be almost a basic proficiency just because of the way they grew up."
(https://www.znaksagite.com/diskusije/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi62.tinypic.com%2F105b1xu.png&hash=bb1a911ceb5f9ddab7ec3aad07c5dfa3d6f1c52c)
D plot tiknz:
John McAfee: For today, for the future — here's why I'm running for president
QuoteJohn McAfee is one of the most influential commentators on cybersecurity anywhere in the world. His new venture — Future Tense Central — focuses on security and personal privacy-related products. McAfee provides regular insight on global hacking scandals and internet surveillance, and has become a hugely controversial figure following his time in Belize, where he claims to have exposed corruption at the highest level before fleeing the country amid accusations of murder (the Belize government is currently not pursuing any accusations against him).
This is not politics as usual. It is not in my nature, and it is not in our best interests.
The last few days have been amazing. I am humbled by the outpouring of support and encouragement that I have received. I did 27 interviews yesterday and today looks to be about the same. I have found that the issues we are bringing up are resonating. America cares about these things. Officially, my complete presidential platform is forthcoming, but I wanted to share on Digital Trends a number of reasons why I am running for president and founding a party.
Our government is in a dysfunctional state. It is also illiterate when it comes to technology.
Technology is not a tool that should be used for a government to invade our privacy. Technology should not be the scapegoat when we fail to protect our digital assets and tools of commerce. These are matters of priorities.
We live in a world that is defined by technology, and in these times, we need leadership that truly understands this responsibility and the opportunity that lies before us.
Our country is not prepared for a cyberwar that has already begun. We haven't seen anything yet. It is not ready to protect the precious assets of technology that we depend on as a people. We fail at that at an alarming rate. It is not ready to protect our infrastructure (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/09/09/cyber-attacks-doe-energy/71929786/), which sits on a precipice of threats. I can change that. I will change that, and it has to happen.
Related: John McAfee: How no one got laid on Ashley Madison (http://www.digitaltrends.com/opinion/john-mcafee-how-no-one-got-laid-on-ashley-madison/)
Our government was designed to be for the people, by the people. Somehow, we have strayed from these original designs. Today's government is about powerful people and powerful conglomerates of corporations and lobby groups. Americans have been brought to their knees by this Orwellian machine. If you think you're not a subject or it doesn't affect you, look at our debt. Our future has been pre-spent and sold. We should all be outraged, and many are.
Years ago, in an environment where the computer industry was faced with a coming reality of threats, I started a computer security company and an industry was born. How innocent we were.
Related: John McAfee explains how to uninstall McAfee Antivirus (http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/john-mcafee-explains-how-to-uninstall-mcafee-antivirus-with-strippers/)
An entire sea of threats is lurking today, and it endangers all of us. Our failures to deal with this are based on policy, on economics, on a lack of efficiency, and a lack of priorities. This is where the Cyber Party comes in.
The Cyber Party is the spark we need to awaken the people from their deep slumber. Demand more from your government. Demand honesty. Demand freedom.
The goal is to bring these issues to light not only today, but long after this generation of people are gone. You are a person. You are human. You have rights. The world has changed and as time goes on, the effects of technology in our lives will only become more pronounced. You have a chance to dictate whether technology is used against you or whether it is used for the good of all.
If you care about security, if you care about privacy, if you care about an efficient government that is not beholden to massive buyouts, then we have something in common.
Finally, I would like to add that not only will we get action on these matters, I can assure you that we will win.
Visit us at www.mcafee16.com (http://www.mcafee16.com/) and visit our party at www.cyberparty.org (http://www.cyberparty.org/).
http://youtu.be/sMz6GV3b1ys (http://youtu.be/sMz6GV3b1ys)
Berni Sanders, socijalista, zavodi masu na hrišćanskom koledžu
http://gawker.com/bernie-sanders-in-the-lake-of-fire-and-brimstone-1730429978 (http://gawker.com/bernie-sanders-in-the-lake-of-fire-and-brimstone-1730429978)
Ima dobrih.
http://www.wired.com/2015/09/asktrump-backfire/?mbid=social_fb (http://www.wired.com/2015/09/asktrump-backfire/?mbid=social_fb)
Čim DOB povede Krekdov podkast, odma je to bolje:
Why Nothing About The Presidential Election Matters (http://www.cracked.com/podcast/why-nothing-about-presidential-election-matters/)
Autor je nezadovoljan trenutnim izborom kandidata na strani demokrata. Možda bi voleo da uleti još neko?
http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/no-seriously-dissolve-the-united-states-1736629448 (http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/no-seriously-dissolve-the-united-states-1736629448)
http://youtu.be/pfmwGAd1L-o (http://youtu.be/pfmwGAd1L-o)
Ne verujem koga su uzeli za Bernija. Savršeno. :lol:
http://www.cc.com/video-clips/04667t/the-daily-show-with-trevor-noah-post-debate-exhilaration (http://www.cc.com/video-clips/04667t/the-daily-show-with-trevor-noah-post-debate-exhilaration)
Trampe, Srbine!
Trump: We'd be better off if Hussein and Gadhafi were still in power (https://www.yahoo.com/politics/trump-wed-be-better-off-if-hussein-and-gaddafi-194807268.html)
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Donald Trump believes the world would be better off if Saddam Hussein and Moammar Gadhafi were still in power.
"One hundred percent," Trump said when asked by Jake Tapper on CNN's "State of the Union" (http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/25/politics/donald-trump-moammar-gadhafi-saddam-hussein/) if the Middle East was safer under the ruthless dictators' rule than it is now.
"People are getting their heads chopped off," the real estate mogul continued. "They're being drowned. Right now it's far worse than ever under Saddam Hussein or Gadhafi."
Hussein, the former Iraqi president, was captured during the U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003 and later convicted for the 1982 killings of 148 Iraqi Shiites. He was executed in 2006.
"Iraq used to be no terrorists," Trump said. "Now it's the Harvard of terrorism. If you look at Iraq from years ago ... I'm not saying [Hussein] was a nice guy — he was a horrible guy. But it was a lot better than it is right now. Right now Iraq is a training ground for terrorists."
Gadhafi was ousted during a 2011 uprising and was later captured and killed by rebels.
"Right now Libya, nobody even knows Libya," the former "Celebrity Apprentice" star said. "Frankly, there is no Iraq and there is no Libya. It's all broken up. They have no control. Nobody knows what's going on."
Trump said the situation in the Middle East deteriorated during the Obama administration.
"I mean, look what happened," he said. "Libya is a catastrophe. Libya is a disaster. Iraq is a disaster. Syria is a disaster. The whole Middle East. It all blew up around Hillary Clinton and around Barack Obama. It all blew up."
So what would he do differently?
"The Trump doctrine is simple," he said. "It's strength. It's strength. Nobody is going to mess with us. Our military will be made stronger."
Appearing on ABC's "This Week With George Stephanopoulos" Sunday, Trump boasted about a foreign policy prediction he made before 9/11.
"In my book, written in 2000, I was the one that predicted Osama bin Laden was trouble and you better do something about him," Trump said. "Well, guess what? 19 months later, he came down and knocked out the World Trade Center, killed thousands of Americans. I put it in a book. In fact, a couple of your competitors were saying, 'Whoa ... Trump actually mentioned Osama bin Laden and that we better do something about him or we're going to have problems.'"
The Republican frontrunner also discussed a pair of recent polls that show him trailing Ben Carson in Iowa.
"I was in Iowa three days ago," Trump said. "We had such an unbelievable turnout that I find it really difficult to believe that I'm in second place."
Not that he plans on changing his approach.
"I'm being divisive right now because I want to win," Trump said. "I know how to win; that's what I have to do. Ultimately if I do win, I'm going to be a great unifier, George. I will be a great unifier for the country. The country right now is terribly divided by a president that doesn't know how to lead, and he's a very divisive person. I will be a great unifier. You will be surprised to see that, but you will see that."
Tramp i dalje dropuje noulidž. Ispada da i dalje važi da samo dvorska luda može da primeti kako je car go i te fore:
Donald Trump left Joe Scarborough stunned after being asked about Vladimir Putin killing journalists (http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-vladimir-putin-joe-scarborough-2015-12)
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During a Friday-morning interview with Donald Trump, MSNBC host Joe Scarborough was baffled by the Republican front-runner's embrace of Russian President Vladimir Putin.
"Sure, when people call you 'brilliant' it's always good. Especially when the person heads up Russia," Trump told cohost Mika Brzezinski when asked about Putin praising him as "very talented" the day before (http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-vladimir-putin-russia-2015-12).
Scarborough pointed to Putin's status as a notorious strongman.
"Well, I mean, it's also a person who kills journalists, political opponents, and invades countries. Obviously that would be a concern, would it not?" Scarborough asked.
"He's running his country, and at least he's a leader," Trump replied. "Unlike what we have in this country."
"But again: He kills journalists that don't agree with him," Scarborough said.
The Republican presidential front-runner said there was "a lot of killing going on" around the world and then suggested that Scarborough had asked him a different question.
"I think our country does plenty of killing, also, Joe, so, you know," Trump replied. "There's a lot of stupidity going on in the world right now, Joe. A lot of killing going on. A lot of stupidity. And that's the way it is. But you didn't ask me [that] question, you asked me a different question. So that's fine."
Scarborough was left visibly stunned.
"I'm confused," the MSNBC host said. "So I mean, you obviously condemn Vladimir Putin killing journalists and political opponents, right?"
"Oh sure, absolutely," Trump said.
Several of Trump's Republican presidential rivals criticized the billionaire businessman on Thursday for saying it was a "great honor" to receive Putin's praise.
Jeb Bush, the former Florida governor, questioned (https://twitter.com/JebBush/status/677831652035424258) Trump's foreign-policy knowledge. Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina suggested (https://twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/677626019847741440?lang=en) Trump visit Ukraine, where the Russian state has backed separatist rebels. And Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey said he was (http://www.hughhewitt.com/chris-christie-reacts-debate-way-forward-campaign/) "really glad not to win the Putin primary."
But Friday during his "Morning Joe" interview, Trump said he always "felt fine" about Putin and touted the Russian president's poll numbers. Putin's position in his country is bolstered by the Russian government's control over much of the Russian news media.
"I always felt fine about Putin," Trump said. "I think that he's a strong leader. He's a powerful leader ... He's actually got a popularity within his country. They respect him as a leader."
Trump contrasted Putin's numbers with President Obama's.
"I think he's up in the 80s. You see where Obama's in the 30s and low 40s. And he's up in the 80s," Trump said. "And I don't know who does the polls. Maybe he does the polls, but I think they're done by American companies, actually."
Deni Krejn!
Još samo da počne da se vadi na mad cow disease.
Znas! :|
Sasvim slučajno. Ne gledam ja dovoljno televizije da bih bio u toku al Boston Legal sam gledao.
Hillary Clinton's latest attack on Bernie Sanders shows she's a rotten candidate (https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2016/01/14/hillary-clintons-latest-attack-on-bernie-sanders-shows-shes-a-rotten-candidate/)
At some point, you cannot blame the national mood or a poor staff or a brilliant opponent for Hillary Clinton's campaign woes. The latest Des Moines Register/Bloomberg Politics poll (http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/2016/01/14/iowa-poll-clinton-slides-leads-sanders-2-points/78738770/) shows that Clinton, who once led Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) by double digits, is only 2 points ahead of Sanders. Clinton is down 9 points since the DMR/Bloomberg's December 2015 poll. That means the race is within the margin of error (4.4 percent).
Clinton responds as she usually does — poorly. Her attack on Sanders from the left on guns makes sense. She actually has his record to work with, on an issue about which the base is engaged. Her attack over health care makes no sense whatsoever. Clinton is dinging Sanders for a universal health-care plan that she says would require a big tax hike. Huh? This is Sanders, the darling of the left, who has always wanted true, single-payer health care. The idea that Sanders — "the democratic socialist" — would be coming up with a dastardly plan to
undermine or take away universal health care, from the left's perspective, is inconceivable.
Left-wing Salon (http://www.salon.com/2016/01/14/hillary_clintons_absurd_bernie_smear_why_attacking_him_from_the_right_on_healthcare_makes_literally_no_sense_at_all/) has this to say:
After years of the right wing trying one scheme after another to take away Obamacare, it jars the senses to watch Democratic presidential front-runner Hillary Clinton accuse her primary rival, Bernie Sanders, of wanting to take away Obamacare. Sanders, she now insists, would do so from the left by instituting a program — single-payer healthcare — that would be
more progressive than the Affordable Care Act. It did not help that the campaign sent out the wooden Chelsea Clinton to attack Sanders. ("It's a typical Clinton campaign move. Have a bad week at the polls? Overreact with a terrible, transparent attack that anyone with an IQ north of negative can see through. The fact that this move might alienate the Sanders supporters she'll need later on if she wins the nomination does not seem to enter the calculation.")
Over at U.S. News & World Report (http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/pat-garofalo/articles/2016-01-13/hillary-clintons-bizarre-attack-on-bernie-sanders-health-care-plan), Clinton elicits more hisses and boos. "A single-payer system, like it does in many other countries, would cover everybody, period. To say otherwise is either willfully misunderstanding how it would work or simple scaremongering. . . .
he's sliming Sanders with the accusation that he wants to take health insurance away from people. It's a garbage attack, and makes even less sense considering that she's going to need Sanders' supporters come November when she (as is still very likely) becomes the Democratic nominee. (Democrats, incidentally, really like single-payer, as do independents.)"
The Nation (http://www.thenation.com/article/bernie-sanders-for-president/), in endorsing Sanders, sounds like right-wing talk show hosts whining about establishment Republicans:
[T]he limits of a Clinton presidency are clear. Her talk of seeking common ground with Republicans and making deals to "get things done" in Washington will not bring the change that is so desperately needed. . . . She rejects single-payer healthcare and refuses to consider breaking up the big banks. We also fear that she might accept a budgetary "grand bargain" with the Republicans that would lock in austerity for decades to come.
In short, at a time the left — like the right — wants to fight against compromise and corruption, Clinton is fighting the beloved Sanders in just the same terms the GOP would.
It's baffling why she thinks this would help when she is at risk now of losing both Iowa and New Hampshire. Her loyalists say it's good for her to get a challenge in the primary. In theory that is right, but if it comes at the expense of further depressing the left-wing base (which hasn't liked the Clintons for years), it's a really bad thing.
So we come back to Hillary Clinton, the candidate. At some point, even Democrats might concede she is unlikable, regarded as dishonest and untrustworthy and, to boot, politically tone-deaf. In the Clinton marriage, Bill got all the political talent, it seems. One can speculate that as the Clinton circle got smaller out of fear and paranoia, the number of people willing to level with her shrank dramatically or disappeared altogether. When she has a dumb idea or gets panicked and starts flailing away — as she did in 2008 — it appears there is no one to stop her. Left to her own devices, she's a poor candidate. Maybe VP Joe Biden should have gotten in after all.
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šta će da radi ako pobijedi Mira Marković...
Leaving Russia and moving to Siberia. 8-) Moze i obrnuto. :lol:
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Bernie Sanders' radical past: How the Vermont firebrand started wearing a suit and gave up on taking over big companies (https://www.yahoo.com/politics/bernie-sanders-radical-past-how-the-vermont-230255076.html)
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In July 1985, Bernie Sanders traveled to Nicaragua, where he attended an event that one wire report dubbed an "anti-U.S. rally."
The leftist Sandinista government was celebrating the sixth anniversary of the revolution that saw it take power from an American-backed dictator, Anastasio Somoza. Sanders was in a crowd estimated at a half million people, many of whom were clad in the Sandinistas' trademark red-and-black colors and chanting "Here, there, everywhere/the Yankee will die."
Onstage, Nicaraguan President Daniel Ortega accused the U.S. government of "state terrorism" for supporting the rebels who were seeking to overthrow him. The Sandinistas and the CIA-backed Contras would fight into the next decade, with allegations of human rights abuses on both sides (https://www.hrw.org/reports/1989/WR89/Nicaragu.htm). At the 1985 rally Sanders attended, Ortega vowed the Sandinistas would "defend the revolution with guns in hand."
Sanders was being hosted by the Sandinistas as part of a delegation of American "solidarity groups." He told reporters their decision to show "support" for the Nicaraguan government was "patriotic."
"We want to show support for a small country trying to be independent, and we want to tell the truth to the American people when we return," Sanders said.
Sanders was in the midst of a revolution of his own. Four years earlier, in 1981, he won a shocking victory by only 10 votes to become mayor of Vermont's largest city, Burlington. Sanders was elected on a socialist platform and led a mayoral administration that he boasted was "more radical" than any other in the country.
And he had a vision. Sanders believed his work in Burlington could spread socialism throughout America. In April 1985, the Los Angeles Times published a lengthy interview with Sanders in which he outlined his plan to spark "radical change."
"I think from one end of this country to the other, people are ripe for political revolution. Fifty percent of the people do not bother voting in the presidential and statewide elections," Sanders said. "The vast majority of those not voting are low-income people who have given up on America. The whole quality of life in America is based on greed. I believe in the redistribution of wealth in this nation."
Sanders went on to suggest his mayoral administration had demonstrated "the people's contempt for conventional old-fashioned Democratic and Republican politics.
"The radical change in America that must come has to begin on a local level, and it is happening now in Burlington. Then it will spread to state and national levels," Sanders said, adding, "Of all the 50 states, I believe Vermont more than any other has a good chance of electing America's first socialist governor. Now that I have proven that I am a good mayor, perhaps the time will be ripe ... for me to run for the highest office in the state."
Sanders ran for Congress rather than governor after leaving Burlington's City Hall in 1989. But today, his dream of bringing his values to higher office and a national audience is closer to fruition than at any time his life.
A two-term incumbent U.S. senator, Sanders is within striking distance of frontrunner Hillary Clinton in this year's Democratic presidential primary, with recent polls in Iowa showing the two neck and neck and a Sanders lead in New Hampshire.
As Sanders journeyed from the fringes of Vermont's political scene to the national stage, many aspects of his agenda and even rhetoric have remained remarkably consistent. However, an extensive examination of his statements and views at the beginning of his political career shows Sanders has moderated some of his positions over the years.
Among other things, during the 1970s and '80s, Sanders regularly called for public takeovers of various businesses, including utilities and the oil industry. Sanders advocated seizing money from corporations and from one of America's richest families. And, as a mayor, Sanders made forays into foreign policy that included meetings with representatives of hostile nations, rebel groups and Canadian separatists.
Yahoo News first reached out to Sanders' presidential campaign to discuss this article last week. In addition to inquiring about Sanders' past support for nationalizing various industries, Yahoo News asked about Sanders' presence at the Sandinista rally. This included a request for the campaign to confirm whether a report in the alternative weekly Seven Days (http://www.sevendaysvt.com/vermont/sanders-siempre-what-bernie-learned-in-nicaragua/Content?oid=2948191) that claimed the trip to Nicaragua was paid for by the Sandinista government was correct. The campaign declined to comment. Yahoo also contacted the campaign of Sanders' Democratic primary rival, Hillary Clinton, which has become increasingly critical of the Vermont senator as the race tightens. It declined to comment as well. Sanders is now vying to be the Democratic Party's presidential nominee, but his record reflects just how far outside of the two-party system he started out. In fact, throughout his early career, Sanders expressed distaste for both Democratic and Republican politicians. His first campaigns were long shot bids as a member of the Liberty Union Party, a radical, anti-war group that he helped found.
Under the Liberty Union banner, Sanders ran for one of Vermont's U.S. Senate seats in 1972. He ran for the state's other Senate seat in 1974. Sanders, who served as Liberty Union's chairman, was also the party's candidate in Vermont's governor's races in 1972 and 1976. In all four campaigns, Sanders attracted support in the single digits.
In interviews at the time, Sanders was fairly open about the fact he did not expect to win any of these races. Rather, he suggested the Liberty Union Party could serve as a force to mainstream socialist ideas ahead of an eventual national shift.
During his Senate campaign in 1974, the local Bennington Banner quoted Sanders telling attendees at a Liberty Union event about what he hoped to accomplish with his long shot candidacy (https://www.newspapers.com/image/63049155/?t).
"You have a reason to knock on doors," Sanders said. "It's a good way to organize and educate people. ... Talk the issues. People can't see alternatives. Our job is to open their eyes and give them a vision."
At a press conference for his second gubernatorial bid in 1976, Sanders predicted it would have a "national impact" (https://www.newspapers.com/image/63056876/?terms=) if the Liberty Union candidates had a decent showing at the polls because it would show voters there were alternatives to the traditional party system.
"He said voters sense that Democratic politicians have similar views about such issues as rising utility rates, an unfair tax system, low wages, and high unemployment," UPI reported.
Some of his pitch to voters was quite similar to his current platform. As a Liberty Unionite, Sanders railed against income inequality and — decades before the Occupy movement — what he described as a system that privileged "the wealthy 2 or 3 percent." As he does now, Sanders called for progressive reforms to taxes and campaign finance.
Other parts of Sanders' Liberty Union platform went well beyond anything he is currently advocating. In 1973, UPI reported that Sanders urged Vermont's congressional delegation to "give serious thought to the nationalization of the oil industry."
The following year, the Bennington Banner reported Sanders' Senate campaign was focused on "two prime issues." The first was rate increases for electric and telephone service, which the paper said Sanders sought to confront with "public takeover of all privately owned electric utilities in the state." Sanders' plan for public ownership of utility companies involved the businesses being seized from their owners.
It was a view he would carry forward into his 1976 gubernatorial bid: That year Sanders said the Liberty Union platform called for a state takeover of utilities "without compensation to the banks and wealthy individuals who own them."
These weren't the only assets Sanders suggested should be seized from the wealthy.
Sanders' second main theme in his 1974 Senate race was what the Bennington Banner called (https://www.newspapers.com/image/63049284/) his "own pet issue," the "incredible economic power of the Rockefeller family." As a presidential candidate and member of Congress, Sanders has assailed the influence billionaires and megadonors (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-koch-brothers_55d9ca6ee4b0a40aa3ab3642) hold over American politics and media. However, his plan for the Rockefellers went much further, with Sanders implying he would push to have the family's fortune used to fund government programs. In a 1974 press release, Sanders said (https://www.newspapers.com/clip/2853720/fri_june_28_1974_bennington_banner/) "the incredible wealth and power of this family must be broken up." The Rockefellers' billions should be "used to create a decent standard of living for all people" by being redirected toward government social programs for the elderly or lower taxes.
Sanders was in the middle of running on an anti-Rockefeller platform in August 1974 when reports began to emerge that President Ford planned to nominate Nelson Rockefeller to be his vice president after the impeachment and resignation of President Nixon. Sanders was apoplectic and sent a letter to Ford (https://www.newspapers.com/image/63044715/?terms=%22bernard%2Bsanders%22%2BROCKEFELLER%2BDICTATORSHIP) urging him to pick someone else because "the Rockefellers are already the richest and most powerful family in the world." Sanders warned that the appointment "could be the beginning of a virtual Rockefeller family dictatorship over the nation." Rockefeller was officially nominated about a week later and went on to become vice president.
In late 1977, Sanders left the Liberty Union Party. His departure came after the group endangered its major party status by failing to hold local caucuses required by state law. Sanders said the situation showed the party failed to live up to a promise (https://www.newspapers.com/image/63954503/?terms=) to supporters that it would remain active beyond campaigns and "would not disappear from the scene the day after the election."
But Sanders didn't drop out of Vermont politics — or stop advocating for private assets to become public property. In 1979, he penned an opinion column for the Vermont Vanguard Press about another industry he felt was ripe for a public takeover — television.
The editorial, titled "Social Control and the Tube," called for people to "address the control of television as a political issue, and organize to win." Sanders argued the owners of commercial television stations sought to "intentionally brainwash people into submission and helplessness" through "constant advertising interruptions" and "the well-tested Hitlerian principle that people should be treated as morons and bombarded over and over again with the same simple phrases and ideas." He said the television industry was designed to "create a nation of morons who will faithfully go out and buy this or that product, vote for this or that candidate, and faithfully work for their employers for as low a wage as possible." Sanders suggested a public takeover of the airwaves could remedy the problem.
"The potential of television democratically owned and controlled by the people is literally beyond comprehension because it is such a relatively new medium and we have no experience with it under democratic control. At the least, with the present state of technology, we could have a choice of dozens of channels of commercial-free TV," he wrote, adding, "At the moment serious writers are, by and large, not allowed to write for commercial television for fear they might produce something that is true and hence, upsetting to the owners of the media. Under democratic control, people with all kinds of views could make their presentations, and serious artists would be encouraged to produce work for the tube."
Sanders had a chance to pursue public control of television broadcasting, as well as his fight against utility companies, when he became mayor of Burlington in March of 1981.
Though he identified as a socialist, Sanders ran as an independent when he won his shocking upset. According to the Associated Press, Sanders made it to City Hall with the help of "a coalition of college professors, poor people, labor unions, neighborhood groups and students."
"The decisions in this city are not going to be made in the offices of banks and big businesses any more," Sanders warned after his victory.
Still, Sanders promised he would be "extending the olive branch" to Burlington's business community and political establishment.
"I'm not looking for war," Sanders said.
Sanders might not have been spoiling for a fight, but he sure got one. He began his mayoralty with only two supporters on the city's 13-member board of aldermen. The rest were Democrats and Republicans who vehemently opposed Sanders. In his first months in office, the aldermen blocked Sanders' appointments. He also accused city officials of firing his secretary and even opening his mail. One day Sanders' rust-covered car was ticketed when he parked in his special mayoral spot.
"I guess now what I expect is that the Democrats on the board are going to attempt to make every day of my life as difficult as possible," Sanders said at a June 1981 press conference about the rejection of his appointees. "That's fine. We will reciprocate in kind and we will work vigorously to carry out in one way or the other the mandate we were elected to carry out."Burlington's new mayor was a lot for some of his constituents and colleagues to get used to. Sanders is a Brooklyn native with a decidedly confrontational and prickly demeanor. The New York Times reported on an incident (http://www.nytimes.com/1981/09/19/nyregion/notes-on-people-some-disunity-along-the-united-way.html) that took place a little over six months after he took office when Sanders essentially insulted a room full of charity workers. Sanders had been invited to speak at the 40th annual Chittenden County United Way fundraising drive. When he stood up to speak at the banquet, Sanders let the attendees know he didn't support their work.
"I don't believe in charities," Sanders said before explaining that he felt government should be responsible for social programs.
Gary De Carolis was one of Sanders' Progressive Coalition allies on the board. De Carolis spent six years in Burlington city government during the Sanders administration and grew to be "close friends" with him, he told Yahoo News. According to De Carolis, Sanders' initial battles with the aldermen were "brutal," "very nasty" and "unbelievably loud."
"Most nights you went in there and you knew it was going to be hell," De Carolis explained. "You had to stand up for what you believed in ... it was not pretty."
De Carolis attributed the anger at Sanders to the city's Democratic establishment losing power to an independent socialist.
"Most times he had, in a sense, the law and the statutes of the city behind him," said De Carolis. "A lot of what was coming at him was total anger for the loss of power from the Democratic Party."
Sanders' appearance may have stood out almost as much as his policies. Multiple articles about the early days of his mayoral administration allude to his casual and even sloppy personal style. Sanders reportedly purchased a suit an hour before his inauguration and lived in an apartment that De Carolis described as "a mess." In 1982, Knight-Ridder news service spoke to James Burns, one of Sanders' rivals on the board of aldermen. Burns said he didn't "get along too well" with the mayor and went on to mock Sanders.
"He's quite crude," Burns said before imitating the way he claimed Sanders would slouch at meetings. "It doesn't put forth an executive image, when you see someone slinked in a chair."
Still, in spite of the rocky start, Sanders eventually won over the board — literally. By 1985, six of the aldermen were members of Sanders' Progressive Coalition. During his four terms in office, Burlington's socialist mayor presided over a prosperous economic climate and his treasurer discovered a $1.9 million surplus that had gone unnoticed in the budget. Though Sanders installed a new tax on money spent at hotels, restaurants and bars, he pushed for lower property taxes. Sanders also audited the city's pension fund and initiated competitive bidding for many government contracts.
'I am a socialist," Sanders told the New York Times in 1987 (http://www.nytimes.com/1987/10/18/us/burlington-vt-divided-by-mayor-s-tax-mission.html). "But what we're doing here is not socialist. It's just good government."
Sanders also began dabbling in mainstream politics. He endorsed his first Democratic presidential candidate, Walter Mondale, in 1984. Sanders even wore a suit sometimes. De Carolis said Sanders would dress up for his visits to the State House in Montpelier. The Associated Press pointed out Sanders wore a suit for a debate when he was running for re-election in 1983 though the reporter said aides had to help Sanders fix his tie before he went out onstage.
"I used to dress up a little bit better than Bernie," De Carolis recounted. "He used to say to me, 'Gary, you got to teach me about these ties and all this nice coordinated clothing.'"
Of course, Sanders still pursued a staunchly progressive agenda while he was mayor. He continued battling with Vermont's utility companies. He charged them new fees for excavating on city streets and pushed for them to raise commercial rates in order to lower costs for residential clients. And while he didn't try to seize the local television industry, Sanders sought to establish a city-owned and -operated cable system to compete with the private Green Mountain Cable Television network.
Sanders was an early crusader against gentrification. During his eight years in office, Sanders fought for rent control and tenants' rights. He also battled to secure public space on the Lake Champlain waterfront when developers wanted to use the land for high-end housing. Almost immediately after being elected in 1981, Sanders declared, "luxury condominiums will not be the priority of this administration."
"We have a city that is trying to help a developer build $200,000 luxury waterfront condominiums with pools, and health clubs, and boutiques, and all sorts of upper-middle-class junk five blocks from an area where people are literally not eating in order to pay their rent and fuel bills," Sanders said.
The waterfront park Sanders pushed for was eventually built (http://www.sevendaysvt.com/vermont/flashback-did-bernie-sanders-really-save-the-burlingt). In fact, it's where Sanders stood when he held a rally to launch his presidential campaign last year. Along with fighting development on the lakefront, Sanders also established anti-pollution programs and a community land trust. Other progressive achievements during the Sanders administration included a law requiring women to get 10 percent of city-funded trade jobs, a 1985 resolution supporting gay rights, and programs that allowed city employees to have input on personnel policies including sick leave.
Still, Sanders' most radical actions as mayor had little to do with Burlington. While in office, Sanders pursued a foreign policy agenda independent of and at times at odds with the aims of Washington. This included engagement with controversial international political groups and countries that had hostile relationships with the United States.
Sanders found multiple ways to involve himself in the war between the Sandinistas and the Contras in Nicaragua. In addition to traveling to the country and attending Ortega's rally, Sanders's Progressive Coalition on the board of aldermen passed a 1985 resolution pledging Burlington would defy President Ronald Reagan's embargo of Nicaragua. Sanders also established a sister city relationship with a Nicaraguan town, Puerto Cabezas.
His actions drew such attention that the "Doonesbury" comic strip infamously nicknamed Sanders' city the "People's Republic of Burlington" after he took office. Along with visiting Nicaragua, UPI reported, Sanders traveled to Cuba and the Soviet Union during his years as mayor. And on Dec. 6, 1981, Sanders went to Canada for the policy convention of the Parti Québécois, the separatist party that led the Canadian province of Quebec. At that gathering, which reportedly was also attended by representatives of the Palestinian Liberation Organization, the PQ voted to push for independence from Canada even if it required breaking economic ties.
Sanders' diplomatic efforts also included welcoming dignitaries to City Hall in Burlington. In 1985, the Los Angeles Times noted (http://articles.latimes.com/1985-04-28/news/vw-21595_1_vermonters) "politicians from France, England, Mexico, Scandinavian countries, visitors from the Soviet Union and China, and representatives from the Irish Republican Army have stopped by Sanders' office during the past four years." Sanders also told the paper about his unusual idea for confronting Cold War tensions.
"A handful of people in this country are making decisions, whipping up Cold War hysteria, making us hate the Russians. We're spending billions on military. Why can't we take some of that money to pay for thousands of U.S. children to go to the Soviet Union?" Sanders asked, adding, "And, why can't the Soviets take money they're spending on arms and use it to send thousands of Russian children to America? We've got to start breaking down the walls of nationalism. We've got to get people to know one another."
De Carolis, Sanders' friend and ally in city government, said Sanders was able to delve into foreign policy because he focused on Burlington first and constituents were happy with basic services.
"If you're going to take on bigger national and international issues, you better take care of the home front first," De Carolis said. "He was very good about making sure the streets were plowed, the sidewalks were in good repair, all those things that concern people every day of their life. He was great about that, and that afforded him the opportunity to develop relationships with various countries around the world."
Sanders left the mayor's office in 1989 after deciding not to run for re-election. He was followed by Peter Clavelle, whom UPI described as his "hand-picked successor." Sanders, who unsuccessfully ran for Congress in 1988, won a House race two years later, beginning his career in Washington. He was elected to the U.S. Senate in 2006.
As a presidential candidate, Sanders has maintained the relentless focus on income inequality and tax reform that was a hallmark of his earlier career. Still, there's no question he also has moderated some of the views he espoused at the start of his political career.
Sanders was an independent in Congress and an opponent of the two-party system. Today, his very presence in a Democratic presidential primary signals a shift in his longstanding position and a softening of his views. He also has stopped calling for the nationalization of industries. In November of last year, as his campaign gained steam, Sanders gave a landmark speech (http://news.yahoo.com/the-top-5-takeaways-from-bernie-sanders-big-014821822.html) defining his "democratic socialist ideals." In the address, he explicitly said he does not "believe government should take over the grocery store down the street or own the means of production."
Washington writer Harry Jaffe, author of the new book "Why Bernie Sanders Matters," (http://www.amazon.com/Bernie-Sanders-Matters-Harry-Jaffe/dp/1682450171) suggested that this turn away from advocating for the public takeover of industries has been the biggest change in Sanders' platform over the years.
"The basic socialist plank is ... public control of the means of production," Jaffe said. "He believed that because he said it and I quote him as saying that. ... He's totally changed that."
Indeed, leftists have criticized Sanders for no longer supporting nationalization of industries and openly speculated about whether his current brand of "democratic socialism" is socialism at all (http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2015/11/20/9767096/bernie-sanders-socialism-jacobin).
"Once Bernie Sanders made it clear that he wasn't a socialist in the classic terms, he's pretty much stayed true to ... his basic positions ... that there's too much of a difference between the rich and the poor," Jaffe said. "He's been pretty straightforward on that. I think he's been pretty straightforward on the universal health care."
Jaffe described the situation as a "deal with the devil" Sanders made as he sought higher office.
"Bernie Sanders is not stupid. He's a very canny, canny political operator. He just really is smart and he's expedient," said Jaffe. "He made a deal with the devil. It's a very, very slick and small deal in that, you know, he said, 'OK, I will come off of my hardcore socialism, but I'm going to stick very tightly to the rest of my basic belief system.' ... He certainly did that."
Sanders' foreign policy ideas are also far more mainstream than they were when he was mayor of Burlington. Jaffe cited Sanders' votes to approve increased defense spending — even though they came begrudgingly — as another area where his views have "moderated." Though Sanders has heavily focused on the fact he voted against the Iraq War, Sanders has voted to authorize military force in other instances. Jaffe said this is another shift for a politician who began his career extremely "skeptical" of war.
"He voted a couple of times for troop involvement in Afghanistan and Iraq," Jaffe said. "He's going to shove his first vote in front of Hillary Clinton forever because he did vote against the Iraq War, but after that, he did vote for troop engagement."
Though his campaign has promised he would "move away from a policy of unilateral military action, and toward a policy of emphasizing diplomacy," Sanders is not opposed to military action. In Congress, he voted to authorize NATO bombings in the Kosovo War in 1999 and in Afghanistan following the Sept. 11 attacks. Since the start of the Iraq War, Sanders has voted to approve funds used to finance that conflict, leading to criticism from the left (http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-sanders-troubling-history-supporting-us-military-violence-abroad). As Sanders ran for Senate in 2006, the website of the Socialist Worker newspaper described those votes as "betrayal."
When asked if Sanders has moderated his views since the early days, his old friend De Carolis allowed that facing past political fights may have led Sanders to temper his positions somewhat.
"Knowing what he's been through the last 20 or 30 years, maybe to a degree but not much," De Carolis said.
"What you hear today is very much what you heard back then," he said.
However, Sanders' ally has noticed one major difference. These days, Sanders generally wears a suit and tie.
"If there's anything that's changed, it's that he dresses much nicer now," De Carolis said.
Takođe:
Bernie Sanders goes off on debate moderator: 'That question annoys me' (http://www.businessinsider.com/bernie-sanders-andrea-mitchell-debate-2016-1)
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Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vermont) criticized NBC moderator Andrea Mitchell for a question about former President Bill Clinton's White House sex scandal.
During the Sunday-night Democratic debate, Sanders saying recently that the former president's indiscretions were "totally disgraceful and unacceptable (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/bernie-sanders-bill-clinton-unacceptable-217522)." And he was irritated that Mitchell even asked about it.
"That question annoys me," Sanders said.
Sanders complained that the media put too much pressure on him to attack the former secretary of state.
"I can't walk down the street — Secretary Clinton knows this — without being told how much I have to attack Secretary Clinton. Want me to get on the front page of the paper? I make some vicious attack. I have avoided doing that, trying to run an issue-oriented campaign."
"You didn't have to answer it that way, though," Mitchell said, referring to Sanders answer about Bill Clinton's indiscretions.
"Then if I don't answer it, that's another front-page story," Sanders responded.
He added: "His behavior was deplorable. Have I ever said one word about that issue? No I have not. I'm going to debate Secretary Clinton and Governor O'Malley on the issues facing the American people, not Bill Clinton's behavior."
Bernie Sanders related
http://youtu.be/JhudugDROn0 (http://youtu.be/JhudugDROn0)
takođe, pogledati intervju koji je Killer Mike imao sa Bernie Sandersonom u svojoj berbernici.
Donald Trump said he'd kill terrorists' families at a rally. His crowd went wild. (http://www.vox.com/2016/1/25/10828770/trump-terrorist-family-appeal)
Republican Cruz beats Trump in Iowa presidential race, Rubio takes third place (http://news.yahoo.com/white-house-hopefuls-trump-clinton-face-first-test-003116438.html)
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DES MOINES, Iowa (Reuters) - U.S. Senator Ted Cruz beat billionaire Donald Trump in Iowa's Republican presidential nominating contest on Monday, upsetting the national front-runner in the race to be their party's White House nominee.
Cruz, a conservative lawmaker from Texas, won with 28 percent of the vote compared to 24 percent for businessman Trump. Marco Rubio, a U.S. senator from Florida, came in third place with 23 percent, making him easily the leader among establishment Republican candidates.
On the Democratic side, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was in a virtual tie with rival Bernie Sanders, a self-described democratic socialist U.S. senator from Vermont. With 88 percent of the precincts reporting Clinton led with 49.9 percent to Sanders' 49.4 percent.
Former Maryland Governor Martin O'Malley, who had trouble gaining any traction in the Democratic race, planned to suspend his campaign. He won 0.6 percent.
Cruz's win and Rubio's strong showing could dent the momentum for Trump, whose candidacy has alarmed the Republican establishment and been marked by controversies such as his calls for a temporary ban on Muslims entering the United States.
Rubio said, "They told me I needed to wait my turn, that I needed to wait in line. But tonight here in Iowa the people of this great state have sent a very clear message."
The results could have ramifications in upcoming races.
"There is now blood in the water for Donald Trump," said Republican strategist Ron Bonjean. "Ted Cruz proved he could successfully beat back Trump attacks because he had a great ground game and identified well with evangelical voters."
Former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee said he was suspending his campaign for the Republican party nomination. Huckabee won the Iowa caucus in 2008.
(Writing by Jeff Mason; Editing by Howard Goller)
I sad (mada mati na umu Salonovu načelno levičarsku orijentaciju):
Donald Trump is a fraud: Report confirms the billionaire's presidential bid is a long and calculated con job (http://www.salon.com/2016/02/01/donald_trump_is_a_fraud_report_confirms_the_billionaires_presidential_bid_is_a_long_and_calculated_con_job/)
QuoteEverything Trump has done during the campaign is designed to dupe the media into funding his marketing strategy
Donald Trump's presidential campaign feels whimsical, like a practical joke or publicity tour gone awry. But it turns out the Donald is running a long con. A new report (http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/02/how-donald-trump-did-it-213581) in Politico suggests Trump has been plotting this stunt for years, and he knew exactly what he had to do to succeed.According to the report, Trump was approached two years ago by GOP operatives who wanted him to run for governor of New York. To their surprise, he declined but added that they would be useful when he ran for president. "I'm going to walk away with it and win outright," Trump told the group, "I'm going to get in and all the polls are going to go crazy. I'm going to suck all the oxygen out of the room. I know how to work the media in a way that that they will never take the lights off of me."
Trump knew all along that his celebrity and media savvy were sufficient to support his campaign. Although they didn't believe him, Trump told the Republicans in that room in 2013 that he would dominate the race without spending much on paid advertising. From the report:"'You can't run for president on earned media,' one attendee recalled telling Trump. The billionaire looked up, and paused for a long moment. 'I think you're wrong,' Trump said. 'Are you going to do all those little events at the Pizza Ranches?" another person asked, referring to the Iowa fast food franchises that are a staple of presidential campaign stops. 'Maybe a little,' Trump replied. 'But it's really about the power of the mass audience.'"
Trump was right. The ability to control the narrative, to dominate the coverage, is all it takes. Trump's amorality coupled with his gift for self-promotion has turned the Republican presidential race on its head. He's made the race about him, and anytime he isn't the main story, he lurches back into the headlines with an outrageous comment about women or Muslims or Mexicans or disabled people – anything to win the news cycle.
The biggest takeaway from the report is that Trump is indeed a professional huckster. And whatever else he is, he's not stupid. He doesn't believe half the absurdities he utters on the campaign trail either. As the report makes clear, everything he's done and said was designed to dupe the media into funding his marketing strategy.
Trump's a TV man; he understands the landscape. He knows interesting is preferable to informed or reasonable or lucid. Which is why he eschews talking points or scripts and instead riffs on stage like a stand-up. Trump's free-wheeling approach means he could say literally anything at any moment, and that's the kind of thing people want to watch. The bit about Mexicans being criminals and rapists, for example, was entirely improvised during Trump's announcement speech, and while it was an egregious thing to say, the sheer craziness of the remarks won him a week's worth of headlines and catapulted his campaign.
"Trump didn't foresee the furor his Mexico comments would generate; it was a reaction that built slowly and broke into a fever pitch," Eli Stokols and Ben Schreckinger write. "But even if he didn't predict what exactly would kick off the media frenzy, he had planned all along to offer the media a candidacy it couldn't resist covering." This is what Trump has done from the beginning: say something offensive, watch the media pounce, and allow the saturated coverage to fuel his insurgent campaign.
Trump's strategy is nearly perfect. On the one hand, he's tapped into a vein of resentment in the country, and in a way no serious politician could. And on the other hand, he's free to say whatever he wants, no matter how controversial, because doing so breathes more oxygen into his campaign. Even more advantageous, he's entered the race at an ideal time. The public — for good reasons — no longer trusts Washington. Trump is a hack who can't fix anything, but people make bad decisions when they're anxious or angry, and Trump is offering them an alternative to the status quo. This is what demagogues do, and it usually works.
As a candidate, Trump appears uncontainable. His risk tolerance is unmatched, and that gives him a freedom no other candidate enjoys. He can offend anyone, promise anything, and circumnavigate the entire process without ever having to apologize. Not apologizing, as the Politico writers note, only bolsters "a candidate who appeals to voters fed up with political correctness and establishment niceties." It also forces the other candidates to play his game, to react to the tone he sets and the issues he raises.
Everything Trump does has to be seen in the broader context of his media-centric strategy. No one should ask if Trump believes what he says; it's impossible to know. If he does believe something he says, it's a happy coincidence, because his campaign is an experiment in modern marketing, not an expression of his political worldview.
Hillary Clinton is going to really regret saying these 4 words about Goldman Sachs (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/02/04/4-words-on-goldman-sachs-that-hillary-clinton-is-going-to-really-regret/)
Hillary Clinton spent an hour talking to CNN's Anderson Cooper and a handful of New Hampshire voters in a town hall on Wednesday night. For 59 minutes of it, she was excellent — empathetic, engaged and decidedly human. But, then there was that other minute — really just four words — that Clinton is likely to be haunted by for some time to come.
"That's what they offered," Clinton said in response to Cooper's question about her decision to accept $675,000 in speaking fees from Goldman Sachs (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-blasts-wall-street-but-still-draws-millions-in-contributions/2016/02/04/05e1be00-c9c2-11e5-ae11-57b6aeab993f_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_clintonwallst-7am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory) in the period between serving as secretary of state and her decision to formally enter the 2016 presidential race.
The line is, well, bad. More on that soon. But, the line when combined with her body language (https://twitter.com/TalKopan/status/695093009763942400) when she said it makes it politically awful for her.
Clinton's reaction when Anderson asked if she had to take so much $ from Goldman
https://t.co/HXAn6r1gJk (https://t.co/HXAn6r1gJk) pic.twitter.com/NAZLC9fiAF (https://t.co/NAZLC9fiAF)
— Tal Kopan (@TalKopan) February 4, 2016 (https://twitter.com/TalKopan/status/695093009763942400)
Here's the full video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghPSW_5Ke6g&feature=youtu.be).
Clinton is both seemingly caught by surprise and annoyed by the question all at once. Neither of those is a good reaction to what Cooper is asking. Both together make for a uniquely bad response.
Here's the thing: I'm not sure there is a great answer, politically speaking, for Clinton on the question of her acceptance of huge speaking fees from all sorts of groups — from colleges and universities to investment banks. She took the money because these groups were willing to pay it. And who wouldn't do the same thing in her shoes?
[Clinton, Sanders talk meaning of 'progressive' in first one-on-one debate (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-sanders-to-debate-in-midst-of-argument-over-progressive-credentials/2016/02/04/d295b12a-cb63-11e5-ae11-57b6aeab993f_story.html)] The problem is that you can't say that if you are the front-running candidate for the Democratic nomination, a front-runner facing a more-serious-than-expected challenge from a populist liberal who has made your ties to Wall Street a centerpiece of his campaign.
So, yes, Clinton was in something of a box when Cooper put the Goldman question to her. But, let's not let her off so easily. Are you telling me that Clinton and her team had no idea that the speaking fees, which Bernie Sanders put into an ad in the final days before the Iowa caucuses (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4kcH42oxYw), might come up in the course of an hour-long conversation in New Hampshire?
If so (and I don't believe this to be the case), that's total political malpractice. Rather, I think what happened is something similar to Clinton's reaction during a testy exchange a few months ago with reporters over her email server: She got annoyed and freelanced.
The server and the speaking fees are two story lines that Clinton clearly believes are ridiculous. Sure, she shouldn't have used only a private email address and server while serving as secretary of state. But that error was a small one, not the sort of huge deal that Republicans and the media are trying to turn it into. And, sure, $675,000 is a lot of money to take for speeches but she is a former first lady, senator and secretary of state. It's not out of the ballpark that someone with that résumé would be compensated at such high levels.
That's what Clinton truly believes. And she's not good — as she made plain with her answer last night — at hiding her disdain/skepticism when questioned about it. But, politics is all about playing up your strengths and taking attention away from your weaknesses. The amount of money Hillary and Bill Clinton made from speech-giving — more than $25 million in 16 months (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clintons-earn-more-than-25-million-in-speaking-fees-since-january-2014/2015/05/15/52605fbe-fb4d-11e4-9ef4-1bb7ce3b3fb7_story.html) — is a weakness. Period. It undercuts the idea that she is a committed fighter for wage equality or a voice of the 99 percent trying to level the playing field with the one percent.
In short: Clinton needs to find a WAY better answer to questions about her speaking fees than "that's what they offered." And soon.
http://trumpdonald.org/ (http://trumpdonald.org/)
Džeb je dosegao dno za koje nije ni znao da postoji. #pleaseclap
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdCYMvaUcrA#)
...usra ovaj celu dinastiju Bushovih...he-he-he....
Quote from: CorwinM on 09-02-2016, 12:57:43
Sa ogromnom pažnjom ovih dana pratim predizbornu kampanju u Americi. Dešava se po prvi put nešto bez presedana - jasno se definišu dva politička pola. S jedne strane imamo veoma jadne republikance, sa Donaldom Trampom koji i dalje vodi u istraživanjima javnog mnjenja. Donald je inače bio smiješan lik, ali je sada shvatio da može da se bavi politikom nudeću Amerikancima retoriku koja najviše podsjeća na, pa, Šešelja. Naravno, natečeni tajkun bi imao mnogo toga da uči o manipulaciji masama od Šekija, ali je jasno da njegova retorika privlačna neobrazovanim i ljutitim masama - što užasno podsjeća na neku situaciju na Balkanu. A u njegove stavove spada javno zagovaranje podizanje zidova i zabranu ulaska u SAD muslimanima, najava još gorih "taktika" mučenja prema ratnim zarobljenicima, otvorena mizoginija, histerična vriska da su izbori pokradeni nakon poraza u Ajovi i slično.
Ostali kandidati u republikanskoj stranci su takođe čemer i jad. Trenutno je najozbiljniji kandidat senator iz Teksasa Ted Kruz za kojeg je u više navrata dokazano da je lažov, jedan smutljivac čiji stavovi uopšte ne odudaraju od Trampovih (zapravo je još i gori, ako uzmemo u obzir stav prema LGBT), i koji svaki predizborni skup počinje molitvom. Ovo zadnje ga je dovelo da pobijedi u Ajovi, uprkos velikoj prednosti koju je Tramp imao.
Treći kandidat kod Republikanaca je Marko Rubio koji bi trebalo da bude "umjereni" Republikanac i čija podrška u poljednje vrijeme raste. Međutim, Marko Rubio jednostavno nema harizmu, nije tip "pravog vođe", a u posljednje vrijeme se ozbiljno dovode u pitanje njegovi nervi i intelektualne sposobnosti. Naime, ako se neko vidno unervozi i trese tokom debate, kako će se ponašati usred ozbiljne krize? Nakon posljednjeg nastupa donator su odjednom zatvorili novčanike i novac već predviđen za Rubija odlučili da zadrže do daljnjeg.
Ostali kandidati su potpuni autsajderi i nemaju ozbiljne šanse da se kvalifikuju za opšte izbore.
I s druge strane, kod Demokrata, postaje veoma interesantno. Hilari Klinton, uz podršku većine glavara Demokratske stranke, njenog muža koji aktivno sudjeluje u kampanji sa njom (čak je i nama dobro poznata i omiljena Medlin Olbrajt govorila na tribini sa njom prije par dana), prethodno iskustvo, uz milione koje su sasute u njenu kampanju i ogromno lično bogatstvo - ona i Bil su od 2007 inkasirali preko 160 miliona zarade, dugo je bila apsolutni favorit. Osim toga, ona se oslanja na podršku žena da po prvi put u istoriji dođe do toga da se u Bijelu kuću usele Predsjednica i "Prvi džentlmen". Ali ne lezi vraže, izgleda da opet nije dovoljno. Malo je bilo što je Obama praktično išamarao 2008 iako su je svi smatrali za favorita.
Izuzetno simpatični čičica od 74 godine, senator iz Vermonta Berni Sanders, Jevrej sa bruklinškim akcentom i socijalista - sebe zove demokratom socijalistom - koji se relativno nedavno pridružio Demokratama i kojeg ne podržava gotovo nijedan kongresmen ili senator - izazvao je pravi zemljotres. Berni je bio potpuni autsajder, prije manje od godinu dana istraživanja su mu davala nešto oko 10% glasova, dok je za Hilari Klinton predviđano preko 60%. Prošlog vikenda su održani prvi unutrapartijski izbori, u Ajovi. Klintonova je "pobijedila" sa 49.9% prema 49.6%. Sljedeći je Nju Hempšir u kojem Berni ima značajnu prednost - trenutno 54% prema 42%.
Ono što je nevjerovatno za Bernija Sandersa, i što se dešava po prvi put u američkoj istoriji jeste način na koji se finansira njegova kampanja, a to je "crowdfunding". Samo u januaru njegova kampanja je prikupila preko tri miliona dolara. Prosječan iznos uplate - 27$. Donacije od velikih korporacija niti prima niti mu se nude. Zato što ih je proglasio neprijateljima i američke ekonomije, i što je još važnije, američke demokratije. Jer Berni postavlja veoma neprijatno pitanje koje se toliko rijetko čulo u javnom diskursu u Americi - ako ogromne korporacije uspu milione u kampanju za senatora, kongresmena ili predsjednika - koliko je ta osoba zaista nezavisna? Da li u tim kompanijama rukovode moroni koji tolike pare loše investiraju?
Prva stavka njegovog programa - zauzdati Vol Strit, strogo regulisati sa federalnog nivoa trgovinu akcijama. Najveće banke rasparčati i regulisati. On se zalaže i za to da pošte! daju Amerikancima male zajmove, kako ih private banke ne bi muzzle sa nenormalnim kamatama. Druga stavka - oporezovati debelo "gornji 1%", odnosno klasu milijardera. (Skoro je jedan Trampov glasač upao na Bernijevu konferenciju i počeo da viče. Berni je sa govornice staloženo odgovorio - evo jedne osobe zabrinute za Donalda Trampa i njegove milijarde!) Dalje, skoro duplirati minimalnu zaradu. Treće, Obamacare nije dovoljan. Besplatna zdravstvena zaštita treba da postane ljudsko pravo u Americi i tačka. U gotovo svakom intervjuu Berni podsjeća da je SAD jedina razvijena zemlja na planeti gdje ovo još nije uvedeno. Pa postavlja pitanje - ako Velika Britanija i Francuska ovo daju svojim građanima - je li to znači da te zemlje nisu demokratske?
Paradoksalno, Bernija koji ima 74 godine najviše podržavaju mladi, u toj populaciji on ima podršku po nekim istraživanjima od preko 80%. Razlog je u dobroj mjeri sljedeća "radikalna" tačka programa - besplatno studiranje na državnim univerzitetima i pomoć mladim ljudima da se oslobode kredita koje su digli za studiranje. Uz to, Berni se zalaže i za značajno smanjenje vojnog budžeta, ukazujući na to da se u tom sektoru ogroman novac i rasipa, umjesto da se racionalno troši, što niko ne preispituje. Što se spoljne politike tiče, njegov stav je gotovo izolacionistički - tu se podudara sa Trampom.
Sve ovo je veoma privlačno sve većem broju ljudi. Klintonovu očigledno hvata nervoza jer su lični napadi na njega sve učestaliji. Čak je na posljednjoj debati djelovala i pomalo histerično. Berni je za to vrijeme bio džentlmen, uzdržavajući se od ličnih kvalifikacija i uporno vraćajući diskusiju na problem i njihova rješenja. Iako je i dalje malo vjerovatno da će na kraju pobijediti Klintonovu - izbori u Nju Hempširu bi mogli da to promijene.
A što se tiče istraživanja javnog mnjenja, pokazuje se da često griješe. U Ajovi je Tramp bio izraziti favorit, pa je na kraju završio na jedva drugom mjestu.
Šta god da se na kraju desi, posljedice po cijeli svijet će biti značajne.
не знам одакле сакупљаш информације, ал према написаном да се приметити да претежу оне из медијских кућа (тј медијских делова мултинационалних компанија) које подржавају (значи и финансирају) демократе, првенствено хилари клинтон.
већина трампових изјава, филтрирана кроз те медије (http://mashable.com/2016/01/30/donald-trump-media-rebellion/?utm_campaign=Feed:%20Mashable%20(Mashable)&utm_cid=Mash-Prod-RSS-Feedburner-All-Partial&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed#ok9oHxGrg8q1), је извучена из контекста, на веома тенденциозан начин и баш у циљу да се створи утисак 'либералној' америци да је он реакционарни десничар...што је ужасно далеко од истине. трамп је у најгору руку само популиста (тачно онолико колико су и обама-сандерс-клинтон само за део народа са другачијом парадигмом живота)
нисам стварно вољан да улазим у политичке расправе везане за америчке изборе али има неколико ствари на које се мора обратити пажња...сандерс још увек дебело заостаје за обаминим 'краудфандингом' (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2008/11/20/obama_raised_half_a_billion_on.html) који је достигао пола милијарде долара, само преко интернета...хилари клинтон, поред очајних резултата и скандала док је била државни секретар, се сматра лажовом и манипулантом (баш од стране сандерсових гласача) и практично кандидатом вол стрита. мајкрософт је други највећи финансијер (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/01/31/one-marco-rubios-biggest-financial-backers-tally-iowa-caucuses/) марка рубиа (што је подстакло 'теорију завере о крађи избора (https://grrrgraphics.wordpress.com/2016/02/02/new-cartoon-marcosoft-by-ben-garrison/)') а прљава тактика која је изазвала трампову претњу да ће тужити (http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/trump-says-hell-probably-sue-over-iowa-results-accuses-cruz?bftwnews) рубиа због двосмислене објаве да је бен карсон изашао из изборне трке (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/02/02/msnbc-co-host-confronts-ted-cruz-spokesman-over-allegations-of-dirty-tricks-in-iowa-why-do-that/) ставља под велики упитник његов добар резултат у ајови....
итд...итд...но једна ствар је непорецива, трамп и сандерс (за сада - кажем 'за сада' пошто је и обама кренуо из подређене позиције сакупљајући новац мимо уобичајених начина за америчку политику, али се велики капитал брзо окренуо њему (а обама га пригрлио) када је трка са клинтоновом ушла у финалну фазу а обама постао изгледни кандидат за победу код демократа) су најнезависнији кандидати које америка у овом тренутку може да изнедри из свог дубоко корумпираног система и волео бих (мада немам никакве наде да ће тако бити) да у будућности овакви кандидати не буду инцидентне појаве већ правило.
Meho i Dejane, hvala, nisam primjetio da postoji posebna tema.
Izvori za Trampa:
O muslimanima: CNN https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fz0r0CGW7ic (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fz0r0CGW7ic)
Tramp (i Kruz) o waterboardingu: Predsjednička debata: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u486WX1qHeQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u486WX1qHeQ)
(I would bring waterboarding and hell of a worse than waterboarding)
Tramp mizoginija: FOX debata - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Y9_LJj7A68 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Y9_LJj7A68)
O imigraciji: opet FOX - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80cY76l-pMQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80cY76l-pMQ)
Priznajem da uglavnom čitam "liberalne" medije, ali za sve ovo postoje klipovi na youtube, koga ne mrzi može da nađe bez problema izvorni materijal. Osim toga, u novinarstvu u civilizovanom svijetu, a Amerika to jeste, činjenice su neprikosnovene, komentar je slobodan. Tako da ne znam šta nije u redu sa informacijama koje sam iznio.
A što se tiče Šešelja, evo se u međuvremenu pojavi informacija da je podržao Trampa i pozvao Srbe da glasaju za njega:)
http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/serbia-s-radical-party-chief-seselj-urges-support-for-donald-trump-01-04-2016 (http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/serbia-s-radical-party-chief-seselj-urges-support-for-donald-trump-01-04-2016)
Potpuno jasno i logično.
I zamijenio si Rubija i Kruza, Tramp je prijetio da će tužiti Kruza koji je pobijedio u Ajovi (iako je istina da majkrosoft podržava Rubija):
http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/trump-says-hell-probably-sue-over-iowa-results-accuses-cruz#.feAK6X6Y4 (http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/trump-says-hell-probably-sue-over-iowa-results-accuses-cruz#.feAK6X6Y4)
Lično, ja mislim da bi Hilari bila jednaka katastrofa za Ameriku kao i Tramp. Ni za jedno od njih ne bih volio da su igdje blizu "crvenog dugmeta". A ono što mi je fantastično jeste da je sad Hilari čija je taktika dosad bila da se predstavi kao "umjereni" demokrata kako bi zadobila dobar broj neopredjeljenih glasača i nezadovoljnih republikanaca, zapravo primorana u posljednjih mjesec dana da dokazuje da je "progresivna". A da jeste kandidat Vol Strita, naravno da jeste, sve njih u ovoj trci su podržale ogromne korporacije, sa izuzetkom Sandersa. A nju Goldman Sachs, ni manje ni više, isplaćujući joj honorare od 250k$ za jednosatne nastupe.
U cijeloj ovoj priči, meni je najinteresantnije to što je očigledno došlo do preispitivanja trenutnog političkog sistema u glavama miliona ljudi. Sam Sanders je više puta izjavio da Americi treba da se pojave treća i četvrta partija.
I da, što se tiče crowdfundinga, kampanja je maltene tek počela. Sanders i dalje važi za autsajdera, a Obami su ozbiljne pare počele da pristižu tek nakon što je pobijedio u Ajovi i Nju Hempširu i kada su ljudi počeli da shvataju da zapravo ima šanse da pobijedi.
пардон за лапсус око рубиа-круза
само да не останем недоречен,
што се тиче путовања муслимана, у питању је оно што је урадила мађарска - а то је забрана уласка у државу, мени се чини да је то легитимно право сваке земље, поготову оне која је директно уплетена у сукоб - а док траје сукоб (мада никада не бих подржао ту опцију, да се ја питам)...
што се тиче спочитаване мизогиније, ту се никако нећемо сложити, пошто ја политички коректан говор и начин размишљања презирем...а за мучење, па види, човек је рекао оно што су буш и обама већ одобрили и радили, то и јесте тај политички коректан свет који се згражава над изговореним док рукама дави, мучи и убија...не видим ту његов лични грех већ парадигму те сумануте земље.
такође, јасно је да се суштински разликујемо у посматрању америке, за мене је то банда нецивилизоване стоке упрегнуте у снажан војно-индустријски систем који је своје империјално лице све више отворено приказује последњих 25 година, пре којих је била колико толико ограничена биполарним распоредом снага, те мени не вреди расправљати око тога пошто је иста за тебе цивилизовани свет којем су чињенице неприкосновене а коментар слободан
Ali Amerika nije u ratu sa svim Muslimanima. Ako bi se zabranio ulaz svim muslimanima onda i neki Novopazarac odavde ne bi mogao da uđe. Čak i musliman iz Kanade. Totalno nema logike.
Baš me zanima kako je Mađarska sročila obrazloženje. Za koga je tu tačno granica zatvorena? Možda samo za izbeglice, tj. ljude koji nemaju pasoš?
чисто сумњам да је трамп мислио на традиционалне саудијске, емиратске пријатеље...ја сам то схватио као 'мађарско решење' (тј забрана уласка имигрантима) и наравно да је веома могуће да грешим
postoje li linkovi ili torenti za februarske emisije
ABC World News Tonight with David Muir
na piratu i kikesu samo dva dana pokrivena u februaru, tako da se nadam da ima neki drugi sajt...
zvanični ABC sajt dozvoljava gledanje samo na teritoriji SAD, tako da to otpada... youtube nema kompletne emisije... ima neki pod sajt, samo glas bez slike
kao da je Spilbergov film a ne dnevnik...
Bogami, u Nju Hempširu Sanders ostavio Hilari u prašini (i to koliko se za sada čini, ne za par procenata) a i Tramp suvereno pokido. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: .!. on 10-02-2016, 03:16:59
postoje li linkovi ili torenti za februarske emisije
ABC World News Tonight with David Muir
na piratu i kikesu samo dva dana pokrivena u februaru, tako da se nadam da ima neki drugi sajt...
zvanični ABC sajt dozvoljava gledanje samo na teritoriji SAD, tako da to otpada... youtube nema kompletne emisije... ima neki pod sajt, samo glas bez slike
kao da je Spilbergov film a ne dnevnik...
Uđi na sajt preko proxy-ja koji ti skriva IP adresu ili je prikazuje kao američku.
Sanders je ubio Klintonovku, sad treba da se vidi šta to znači.
Kod Republikanaca, Tramp je, kao što Meho kaže, pokidao, dok je Marko(bot) pao na peto mjesto. Na drugo mjesto je isplivao Kasič, koji je za privatizaciju zatvora, ukidanje prava na kolektivno pregovaranje radnicima, veliki je protivnik abortusa, koji je 100% podržao invaziju na Irak I tako dalje.
Mislim da se trenutno rukovodstvo i jedne i druge stranke hvata za glavu i pita šta da rade.
ne znači ništa, jer delegati se skupljaju sve do juna. To jest, Ajova i Nju Hempšir nose 5% delegata sveukupno, a pritom se dijele proporcionalno
ovaj Kejsik je iz Ohaja, a u Ohaju pobjednik nosi sve, izbori negdje u martu. U stvari, 1. marta najviše država glasa, i najviše delegata se određuje, ko tada razbije realan je kandidat
a tada glasaju sve sami Kruzovi evanđelisti. Sad će kandidati da se ubiju od religijske propagande i gaženja Kruza, već je pao
S druge strane, Klintonova je valjda 2008. dobila Obamu u Nju Hempširu, pa je opet izvisila za kandidaturu, što je još jedan pokazatelj da je trka tek počela
Inače, Švarceneger podržao Kejsika, moguće je da će njega Vašington da gura da ne bi ovi divlji republikanci dobili kandidaturu
misliš da može sa proksijem, ajd probaću...
Nisam mislio na direktne posljedice, jasno je da pobjeda u Nju Hempširu ne znači ništa u smislu delegate. Ali može da znači u simboličkom smislu, jer je Sanders u Ajovi i u Nju Hempširu dokazao da je ozbiljan kandidat, što može glasače širom Amerike navesti da ponovo razmisle o njemu. Cijela dosadašnja kampanja Klintovnove se bazirala na tome da je Sanders zapravo autsajder, pa kao takav ne bi imao nikakve šanse na opštim izborima (uprkos istraživanjima koja pokazuju suprotno!), a onda je Sanders raznese u Nju Hempširu, dok ga je i u Ajovi jedva pobijedila. Takođe, ova pobjeda znači puno i u smislu publiciteta. Ukratko postoji mogućnost da izazove jednu vrstu lančane reakcije, jer je i dalje veliki broj glasača neopredijeljen, a kad se radi o unutarpartijskim izborima trend je uvijek bio da se veliki broj ljudi predomisli u posljednji čas.
neće preko proksija, bar ovih sajtova, možda neki program da skinem
bez proksija lijepo vidim sličicu od videa (poput yt embedded ili kako već, youknowhatImean), kliknem na nju i obavijesti me da ne mogu da gledam izvan teritorije SAD
sa proksijem uopšte ne otvara tu sličicu, samo stoji sivi kvadrat tamo gdje bi trebalo da bude video, i to je to. Uopšte ne propušta video kroz proxy
EDIT: izgleda da je java prokleta...
ipak ništa, sem ako ne treba win8, pa sam totalno ispušio
koji moj je s ABC-jem, kad su ostale mreže dostupne... + imaju na YT najbudalastiju organizaciju klipova
Probaj preko gugl translejta, nekad upali.
Dupli post.
'Kissinger is not my friend' (https://www.yahoo.com/politics/kissinger-is-not-my-friend-042515642.html)
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MILWAUKEE — On foreign policy, Bernie Sanders does not go after Hillary Clinton with policy precision; he attacks her credibility with red-meat heaves attractive to the liberal base.
In Thursday night's Democratic debate, Sanders repeated one of his trademark attacks — and one that worked for Barack Obama in 2008 against Clinton — that he opposed the Iraq War and she did not. But he went further in drawing a binary and philosophical contrast by reminding viewers of Clinton's comments from last week's debate, that she was "very flattered" to get praise from former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger. Kissinger, who served under Pres. Richard Nixon and Pres. Gerald Ford, is maligned especially among Democrats for his handling of the Vietnam War and for leading a foreign policy that his critics believed undermined democratic governments around the world, while supporting dictatorships that promoted human rights violations.
And while the reference might not have resonated with the under-30 demographic that Sanders dominated in Iowa and New Hampshire, it was a reductive, symbolically potent bit for baby boomers who may be undecided or unsure of Clinton's overall worldview. It echoed criticism (http://gawker.com/hillary-clinton-has-a-henry-kissinger-problem-1757313187) that emerged on liberal-leaning websites (http://www.thenation.com/article/henry-kissinger-hillary-clintons-tutor-in-war-and-peace/) last week at the time of her original remarks.
"I am proud to say that Henry Kissinger is not my friend, and I will not take advice from him on foreign policy," Sanders said, calling him the "most destructive" secretary of state in American history
Sanders' team may have felt it missed an opportunity to hit Clinton on Kissinger when she brought up the controversial diplomat at last week's debate. But this time they were ready. In fact, the campaign issued a press release within seconds of the exchange, listing 13 "egregious acts" he committed in his tenure, including allegations (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/04/books/review/kissingers-shadow-by-greg-grandin.html?_r=1) of launching an illegal war in Cambodia and supporting apartheid in South Africa (https://www.nytimes.com/books/first/w/waldmeir-miracle.html) (later in the debate Clinton name-dropped the late South African president Nelson Mandela as one of the figures in politics she respected the most).
Clinton defended her interactions and comments on Kissinger by saying that as secretary of state she listened to a variety of voices and opinions, weighing some more than others. She also questioned whether Sanders takes foreign policy issues seriously, citing recent media reports (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/bernie-sanders-korb-military-adviser-218482) that said the one aide he referred to as an adviser only had briefed him once.
"I don't know who you get your foreign policy advice from," Clinton quipped.
"Well, it ain't Henry Kissinger," Sanders replied.
It's unclear whether re-litigating American foreign policy from 40 years ago will resonate with voters, but Clinton and her campaign obviously believe foreign policy is her strength and any quick move towards that advantage is likely to frustrate the candidate and team who have prioritized showcasing her nuanced and broad grasp of issues she tackled as secretary of state.
A Washington Post ošinuo po Hilari:
The Democrats' dilemma: Clinton may not be salvageable (https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2016/02/11/the-democrats-dilemma-clinton-may-not-be-salvageable/)
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Democrats who think Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) is simply a stronger-than-expected sparring partner for Hillary Clinton may be in for a rude awakening. While the Republicans have their hands full navigating toward an alternative to Donald Trump, at least they have people in the race capable of doing so. Clinton, however, may be a dead-woman-walking, leaving the Democratic Party in the untenable position of nominating a socialist whose foreign and domestic policies are antithetical to the great majority of Americans.
Clinton's problems are threefold.
First and foremost, she has a serious legal problem, one that cannot be wished away by those indifferent to the facts. The FBI does not investigate and devote considerable resources for nothing. It does not lightly send a letter stating it is investigating a former high government official's use of an unsecured email. And someone (whether in the FBI, the Justice Department or some other corner of the administration) does not without good reason leak a story as damaging as this latest Fox News report (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/02/10/sources-at-least-dozen-email-accounts-handled-top-secret-intel-on-clinton-server.html):
At least a dozen email accounts handled the "top secret" intelligence that was found on Hillary Clinton's server and recently deemed too damaging for national security to release, a U.S. government official close to the review told Fox News.
The official said the accounts include not only Clinton's but those of top aides – including Cheryl Mills, Huma Abedin, Jake Sullivan and Philippe Reines – as well as State Department Under Secretary for Management Patrick Kennedy and others.
A second source not authorized to speak on the record said the number of accounts involved could be as high as 30 and reflects how the intelligence was broadly shared, replied to, and copied to individuals using the unsecured server.
This sort of rampant mishandling of classified material cannot be swept under the rug, no matter how much Democrats want to believe this is some political fuss cooked up by Republicans. Whoever is leaking the information seems determined to make sure the FBI and/or the Justice Department cannot evade their obligations to move forward, as they would with any staff person who engaged in this behavior.
[Hillary Clinton, blind to her own greed, makes another blunder (https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2016/02/04/hillary-clinton-blind-to-her-own-greed-makes-another-blunder/)]
In speaking with law professors, former Justice Department lawyers, former Hill staffers who have learned the rules regarding classified material and former national security officials, I have yet to find a single one who believes Clinton's legal risk is trivial. No, it is serious, and now so public that inaction becomes difficult for the FBI and the Justice Department.
The involvement of so many individuals raises the possibility, as any lawyer would know, that immunity will be granted in exchange for testimony, tightening the noose around Clinton. And that is just one of Clinton's problems.
Second, if the Democrats — as the Republicans have done with Trump — are waiting around for their voters to recognize how extreme and unelectable Sanders is, they are mistaken. The Democratic Party has fanned the flames of class warfare for so long, Sanders now sounds mainstream to them, and in a sense he is mainstream in a party that has vilified Wall Street, accumulated vast new power over segments of the economy (health care and financial services, for example) and no longer recognizes capitalism as a solution to poverty (despite worldwide evidence of such) (http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21578665-nearly-1-billion-people-have-been-taken-out-extreme-poverty-20-years-world-should-aim). Like the GOP, Democrats have indulged in protectionist hysteria in such a convincing fashion that Democrats have come to see trade as a threat and globalization as a negative. The president may not be as extreme as Sanders but his rhetoric has paved the way for Sanders. A president who ran up enormous debt, allowed entitlements to grow unchecked and characterizes most opposition to any government activity as evil or irrational can hardly be surprised when, after seven years, his supporters do not take budget math seriously. With seven years of a president who essentially ignored the multiplication of threats, no wonder Democrats put no weight on foreign policy acumen.
Third, Clinton is exactly the wrong person to stop the Sanders runaway train. In her concession speech in New Hampshire, she declared: "What are we going to do? And that is — that is the fight we're taking to the country. What is the best way to change people's lives so we can all grow together? Who is the best change-maker?" Honestly, it wouldn't be her. She — who won't release her speeches to investment bankers — cannot plausibly be the best person to take on Wall Street or clean up campaign finance rules. Maybe Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) or former senator Russ Feingold (D-Wisc.) could make that case, but not Clinton.
[Hillary Clinton's latest attack on Bernie Sanders shows she's a rotten candidate (https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2016/01/14/hillary-clintons-latest-attack-on-bernie-sanders-shows-shes-a-rotten-candidate/)]
Clinton and her supporters thought gender loyalty would save her. It has not. Now she thinks minority voters will ride to her rescue. But why should they? Sanders is giving away free stuff and telling them the system is rigged. Voters under 40 years old don't remember the Bill Clinton years; they remember Hillary Clinton as the candidate who tried to take down then-presidential candidate Barack Obama and the person who jetted around the world while Obama was delivering on health care. She has not as yet shown the talent to reconstruct the Obama coalition, despite her faith that identity politics will win the day. (In case you have forgotten, her "identity" is a rich, white woman.)
Clinton may not dig herself out from all of this. Democrats who don't think so are whistling past the graveyard of the Democratic Party. For months Democrats worried about an alternative to Clinton; now they should be worrying about an alternative to Sanders. Clinton may just not be up to the task.
Siba, i ne prestaje:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-foundation-received-subpoena-from-state-department-investigators/2016/02/11/ca5125b2-cce4-11e5-88ff-e2d1b4289c2f_story.html?postshare=4021455288036239&tid=ss_fb-bottom (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-foundation-received-subpoena-from-state-department-investigators/2016/02/11/ca5125b2-cce4-11e5-88ff-e2d1b4289c2f_story.html?postshare=4021455288036239&tid=ss_fb-bottom)
Investigators with the State Department issued a subpoena to the Bill, Hillary and Chelsea Clinton Foundation last fall seeking documents about the charity's projects that may have required approval from the federal government during Hillary Clinton's term as secretary of state, according to people familiar with the subpoena and written correspondence about it.
The subpoena also asked for records related to Huma Abedin, a longtime Clinton aide who for six months in 2012 was employed simultaneously by the State Department, the foundation, Clinton's personal office, and a private consulting firm with ties to the Clintons.
The full scope and status of the inquiry, conducted by the State Department's inspector general, were not clear from the material correspondence reviewed by The Washington Post.
Ne pratim, mada ko god da izadje iz ove duge, komplikovane i dosadnjikave izborne trke spoljna politika se ne menja lako, te nama dodje na isto.
Sem ako ne pobedi matori socijalista ili Tramp. A US of A ne bira socijaliste za predsednike, gde Amerikom commie da vlada :) Dakle, klovn Tramp. Nisam verovala da cu ovo ikad reci, ali kad je vec dotle doslo, sto se mene tice bolje Tramp nego odvratna Klintonka. :(
Tramp dropuje bed vizdom glede vladavine Džordža Dabja Buša:
Donald Trump finally went too far for Republicans (http://www.vox.com/2016/2/14/10988380/donald-trump-9-11/in/10745405)
ili:
Why Donald Trump's vicious attack on George W. Bush was so brutally effective — and brilliant (http://www.theweek.com/articles/606035/why-donald-trumps-vicious-attack-george-w-bush-brutally-effective--brilliant)
Hilari i njeno "iskustvo" u spoljnjoj politici - odlična analiza:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeffrey-sachs/hillary-clinton-and-the-s_b_9231190.html?utm_hp_ref=politics (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeffrey-sachs/hillary-clinton-and-the-s_b_9231190.html?utm_hp_ref=politics)
Imala sam nedavno priliku da razgovaram sa nasim ljudima koji zive tamo, razlicite generacije. Pitah sta misle o izborima i ispalo je da nemaju nikakve predikcije, pfff.
Interesantno je da je najmladja medju njima, studentkinja, navela 2 prednosti Klintonove : "iskustvo u politici" i to sto je zena. Dobro, to je samo jedan tip glasaca, naravno. Morala sam da joj objasnim da nisam protiv Hilari zato sto je zena, vec da mi se ne dopada njeno iskustvo :) Isn't it ironic :lol:
Jeste. Pa to je ta cijela linija koju njena kampanja prati, tačno ciljaju na to da učine da se svaka žena osjeti krivom ako nije glasala za nju. Ono, kako reče Medlin Olbrajt, posebno mjesto u paklu i tako to.
Ja juče sa prijateljem sjedim u kafiću, pijemo kafu i nešto mumlamo o Americi, kad se lik sa susjednog stola, nekih circa 70 godina, okrene i uključi u razgovor. Ispostavi se da je čovjek živio i radio u NYC 45 godina, da je 2006 kačio crnogorsku zastavu iznad Ist rivera, da su mu oba sina profesori na univerzitetima, s tim što stariji predaje na Prinstonu. Provjerio sam, naravno.
I kaže mi stari, ja sam glasao na svim izborima i uvijek za demokrate. Za Srbe (makar te koje on zna) tvrdi da uvijek velikom većinom glasaju republikance. I ne vjeruje da će da se išta promijeni. Jedna stranka, druga stranka, sve ih kontrolišu isti ljudi. Takav mu rezon.
Dobar mu rezon. I da, verujem da Srbi glasaju za republikance jer su pod demokratskom vlascu bili bombardovani, ne verujem da ce ijedan Srbin glasati za Klintonovu, ikad. A meni to sve isto, republikanac ili demokrata, jer kao sto stari rece...isto nam se fata. Spoljna politika se ne menja, nece sad da nam vrate Kosovo iako se sve desno i desnje okrenulo protiv islama. ;) Tj onog brenda islama koji im trenutno ne odgovara...
Ma ovo što mi on ispriča za Srbe ide unazad do šezdesetih i sedamdesetih, a pretpostavljam da je to taj rezon.
(https://www.znaksagite.com/diskusije/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.img2.cdm.me%2Fsites%2Fcdm.bild-studio.me%2Ffiles%2Fstyles%2F1280x1024%2Fpublic%2Fmultimedia%2Ffoto%2F2016%2F02%2F16%2Fcegarpkuuaaryvd.jpg&hash=31a9c7ea90573726751af052a0f9026ffef25583)
Svrha postojanja feminizma!!!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3449907/Those-people-Washington-got-theories-got-Texas-sheriff-scene-Justice-Scalia-s-death-hits-conspiracy-theories.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3449907/Those-people-Washington-got-theories-got-Texas-sheriff-scene-Justice-Scalia-s-death-hits-conspiracy-theories.html)
In his futuristic 2000 novel: 2006 The Chautauqua Rising, American writer Jack Cashill predicted Scalia would die from carbon monoxide poisoning but no one would believe it
kad sam se već raspisao večeras, eo zanimljive tradicije
Nijedan američki predsjednik nije se plasirao ispod 2. mjesta u Nju Hempširu.
To bi značilo da Sanders, Klinton, Tramp ili Kejsik mogu biti predsjednici, ostali ili otpadaju ili pada tradicija.
Bernie Sanders just surged past Hillary Clinton in a national poll for the first time (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/bernie-sanders-just-surged-past-233449685.html)
QuoteDemocratic presidential candidate, Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt, and his wave Jane acknowledge the crowd as he arrives for his caucus night rally in Des Moines, Iowa, Monday, Feb. 2, 2016.
Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders took the lead over former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton for the first time Thursday in a national poll of Democratic primary voters.
In the Fox News survey (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/02/18/fox-news-poll-clinton-feels-bern-trails-sanders-by-three-points-nationally.html), Sanders captured 47% support among likely Democratic voters nationally. Clinton, who has long been the Democratic frontrunner, garnered 44%.
Though Clinton's lead has shrunk significantly over the past several months (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_democratic_presidential_nomination-3824.html), the Fox News poll is the first to show the senator ahead outright.
However, it presented a divergent result from other recent surveys. An NBC poll released Thursday evening showed Clinton maintaining an 11-point lead over Sanders nationally. Still, that represented a 14-point swing from when the same poll was conducted last month, before Sanders' double-digit New Hampshire primary win.
Both polls come just two days before Saturday's Nevada caucuses, where the few available public polls show the two candidates virtually neck-and-neck. Once considered a "firewall" for Clinton, Nevada has become a key battleground, as both candidates have rolled out campaign surrogates to woo interest groups like Latino voters and immigration activists (http://www.businessinsider.com/hillary-clinton-julian-castro-immigration-nevada-bernie-sanders-2016-2).
Sanders has bombarded the state with ads and redeployed key campaign staff to the state in an attempt to make up ground against Clinton's team, which has been operating in state since April.
Plus, još Uošington Pousta protiv Hilari:
Hillary Clinton's terrible, horrible, no good, very bad answer on whether she's ever lied (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/02/19/hillary-clinton-no-good-very-bad-terrible-answer-on-telling-the-truth/)
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CBS's Scott Pelley interviewed Hillary Clinton (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/campaign-2016-hillary-clinton-ive-always-tried-to-tell-the-truth/) on Thursday night. One exchange tells you everything you need to know about Clinton's struggles in the Democratic primary race so far and why she continues to be dogged by questions about her honesty and trustworthiness. Here it is:
>PELLEY: You know, in '76, Jimmy Carter famously said, "I will not lie to you."
CLINTON: Well, I have to tell you I have tried in every way I know how literally from my years as a young lawyer all the way through my time as secretary of state to level with the American people.
PELLEY: You talk about leveling with the American people. Have you always told the truth?
CLINTON: I've always tried to. Always. Always.
PELLEY: Some people are gonna call that wiggle room that you just gave yourself.
CLINTON: Well, no, I've always tried —
PELLEY: I mean, Jimmy Carter said, "I will never lie to you."
CLINTON: Well, but, you know, you're asking me to say, "Have I ever?" I don't believe I ever have. I don't believe I ever have. I don't believe I ever will. I'm gonna do the best I can to level with the American people.
I mean, what? W-H-A-T? "I've always tried to" tell the truth? On what planet is this a good answer for a politician?
The answer, of course, is on no planet. While I am less familiar with politics on Mars than I am with those on Earth, I am pretty sure that being unable to simply say, "Yes, I have always been truthful with the public," would be a problem on the Red Planet, too.
This a double whammy of bad for Clinton.
First, it does nothing at all to quell concerns about her ability to be honest and straightforward (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/02/10/hillary-clinton-has-a-major-honesty-problem-after-new-hampshire/). In the New Hampshire exit poll, more than one in three (34 percent) of all Democratic primary voters said that honesty was the most important trait in their decision on which candidate to support. Of that bloc, Bernie Sanders won 92 percent of their votes as compared to just 6 percent for Clinton.
That's broadly in keeping with national polling over the last year, which has consistently shown large majorities of voters voicing skepticism about Clinton's trustworthiness. Her answer to that criticism has, to date, been to blame it on a Republican Party obsessed with her and willing to say or do anything to tarnish her reputation. There's truth in that, but, as the New Hampshire exit numbers suggest, the problem is bigger than just Republicans out to get her.
Second, the answer from Clinton on honesty reinforces a perception that the former secretary of state tries to play with words, giving a heavily couched response when a simple one would — and should — do. You can imagine people rolling their eyes or saying, "Why doesn't she just answer the question?" while watching that painful response by Clinton.
I think I understand why she answered the way she did. She knows she has been in public life for a long time and that she has said lots and lots of things. Because of that, it's possible that at some point in the future, someone will unearth a statement in which it could be construed that she wasn't telling the whole truth. Clinton is protecting against the damage incurred by such a revelation.
But when you have the problems regarding honesty and trustworthiness that Clinton does, the only right answer to Pelley's question is: "Yes, I have always been truthful. Of course." That Clinton didn't give that simple answer suggests she is either (a) unaware of or doubts the depth of voters' concerns with her ability to be honest, or (b) she is so naturally cautious as to get herself in trouble even on a question she has to know is coming.
Either way, Clinton just made things harder for herself with that answer to Pelley.
Tja, i sama istina zavisi od percepcije i promenljiva je u vremenu. Nekad je bilo istina da su crnci niža rasa. Možeš dakle da izjaviš nešto što je u tom trenutku "istina", ili što svi veruju da je istina, a kasnije se ispostavi da nije tako.
Drugo, jbg nije svaka informacija za publiku. I neprijatelj sluša. Treće, nekad istina boli. Ljudi misle da žele istinu, a kad im kažeš onda shvate da su zapravo želeli nešto dugo.
Umesto tih opštih mesta, i priče o istini kao konceptu, bolje je fokusirati se na konkretne primere, kad je nešto rečeno, da li je taj-i-taj iskaz istinit, i da li je morao da bude istinit.
Tramp trampuje.
South Carolina Republican primary results 2016: 2 winners and 3 losers (http://www.vox.com/2016/2/20/11080844/south-carolina-republican-primary-winners-losers)
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A big multi-candidate primary field allows for more than one winner alongside plenty of losers and the South Carolina Republican primary was no exception.
Donald Trump took first place, of course. And delegates were handed out. But these are still early days. The real prize in South Carolina — like Iowa and New Hampshire before it — is momentum in the media and with donors and other supporters. It's a war of position as candidates try to set themselves up for the real delegate prizes that are coming in March. And for local, national, and global figures who aren't currently running for president it's about how the race helps them advance their own agendas.
So here are a few people who helped their cause Saturday night, and a few more who lost.
Winner: Donald Trump
There continues to be considerable skepticism in many quarters that Donald Trump will emerge as the Republican nominee, but at the moment all the evidence is that he is winning. For example, he just won the South Carolina primary. He won in the relatively moderate state of New Hampshire and then he won in the very conservative state of South Carolina. All he does is win.
There continue to be serious questions about how Trump would fare if the race were to narrow to just two candidates in some future scenario. But in the scenario that exists right now, he is winning.Winner: Marco Rubio
Second or third is worse than first place, and on one level Rubio clearly lost by not winning. But on another level, Rubio supporters who call it a victory are correct. By placing well ahead of the rest of the field, Rubio has further bolstered the case that Republican Party leaders should do everything in their power to muscle the other non-Trump, non-Rubio candidates out of the race and line up behind Rubio. His actual path to the nomination continues to be a little hard to see. At some point he needs to find a way to win some actual states. But the fact remains that he advanced his cause tonight.
Loser: The Bush family
On the one hand, Jeb Bush suffered yet another humiliating defeat — so humiliating that he was forced to drop out. But the South Carolina loss was a larger loss for the entire Bush family. He brought in his mother and his brother — it didn't work. In fact, it got worse. Trump went out and trashed George W. Bush's record as president, slamming the Iraq War and the dishonest sales pitch for the war. He even pointed out that Bush was president on 9/11, and that the various intelligence failures surrounding that attack were, in part, failures of his administration. The idea that you can win Republican Party primaries while saying this kind of thing casts the entire legacy of the Bush family in a very different light.Loser: The South Carolina GOP
The South Carolina Republican Party really tried to turn their state into the graveyard of Trumpism. One senator endorsed Jeb, the other — and the governor — backed Rubio. The state party even packed a debate audience with Trump haters (http://www.vox.com/2016/2/13/10987776/republican-debate-audience-booing) whose constant booing clearly got under Trump's skin and made his performance look bad. It didn't do any good. Trump won. Not only did he win, he got more votes than Bush and Rubio combined. The establishment spoke, they acted, and they failed.
Loser: The Pope
Donald Trump loves a good fight, and Pope Francis gave him one (http://www.vox.com/2016/2/19/11073026/donald-trump-pope-francis), suggesting that Trump's wall-centric candidacy is un-Christian. Like everything else that gives Trump attention, it only gave him more reason to stay in the headlines and play his favorite role of tough guy standing up for America against the shadowy forces of the global elite. The Pope himself was clearly more concerned with his effort to focus attention on the humanitarian crisis facing millions of migrants globally than in narrowly impacting the US presidential race.
But migration issues ultimately need to be addressed through the political system, and at the moment the rise of anti-immigration populists in both the United States and a number of European countries is preventing that from happening. A Trump win is a loss for what the Pope was trying to achieve.
Two senators now stand between Trump and the GOP nomination (https://www.yahoo.com/politics/two-senators-now-stand-between-trump-and-the-gop-035630669.html)
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COLUMBIA, S.C. — With his second decisive primary victory, Donald Trump is now the clear frontrunner for the Republican Party's presidential nomination.
The most pressing question now, after Trump's win in the South Carolina primary, is how long it will take for Marco Rubio or Ted Cruz to knock the other out and take Trump on directly.
The longer that Cruz and Rubio divide up the non-Trump vote, the more time the New York real estate developer will have to rack up delegates and win 50 percent of the primary electorate in popular vote totals.
A field that at its peak numbered 17 candidates has, to all intents and purposes, been winnowed down to three. Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush dropped out of the race a few minutes before 9 p.m. Saturday, after finishing in single digits in the Palmetto State. Ohio Gov. John Kasich looks determined to stay in the race for some time, but is regarded by many political observers as a sideshow who is merely angling to gather delegates and use them for his own purposes at the convention. And retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson has proved an afterthought at the polls, although he has enough money to stay in for some time and insists that he has plans to.
The results Saturday night were another splash of cold water in the face of a Republican Party that had closed its eyes and desperately hoped for Trump's polling lead to evaporate as it did in Iowa, only to see the outlandish provocateur garner his second commanding win in a row.
"South Carolina, we will never forget you," Trump said in his victory speech in Spartanburg Saturday night.
Now the GOP establishment looks fearfully forward to a new phase of the primary contest. It moves to Nevada in just three days, and then to a slate of a dozen states on March 1, ten days from now. Of those March 1 states, seven are in the South or Midwest, and are likely to tilt strongly toward Trump.
Trump, with 33 percent in South Carolina, cleared the 30 percent bar that many had pegged as a barometer for showing whether or not he had lost momentum over the last few days. Rubio and Cruz were locked in a dead heat for second place, at 22 percent each.
Trump won a majority of votes from veterans in this state, which has a strong military presence, despite the fact that he explicitly blamed former President George W. Bush for the 9/11 attacks in a debate one week ago. Trump argued in that debate that the Bush administration "lied" about whether there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
The South Carolina primary has been won by the eventual Republican nominee in every presidential primary since 1980, with the exception of the last one, in 2012, when former House Speaker Newt Gingrich of Georgia was the victor. And Trump's method of winning the Palmetto State this week defied logic or historical comparison. "Trump won this week despite coming out for [a] health care mandate, defending planned parenthood, blaming Bush for 9/11, standing by impeachment," wrote (https://twitter.com/chucktodd/status/701208529642717187) NBC's Chuck Todd on Twitter.
The big question for Trump is whether he can rise above 35 percent, his total support in New Hampshire, in any state. If he cannot, and Cruz and Rubio both stay in, interminably, then the Republicans could be headed for a contested convention. If he cannot, and either Cruz or Rubio knocks the other out, then whoever takes him on will be poised to defeat him, despite his early wins.
At least that's the theory of many Republican political consultants who have been watching the race.
Trump disagrees that Cruz or Rubio voters won't turn to him if one of the candidates leaves the field. "As people drop out, I'm going to get a lot of votes also," Trump said in his victory speech.
Cruz has engaged in a withering back-and-forth with Trump over the past few weeks, while Rubio has largely avoided any engagement with the frontrunner. But Rubio may no longer have a choice on whether to take on Trump directly. Trump signaled Saturday that he may soon put the Florida senator in his sights, tweeting (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/701089616825159680) that Rubio is "very weak on illegal immigration."
In exit polls, Trump won big with voters who like a candidate who "tells it like it is." Cruz won support from voters who look for a candidate who "shares my values." Rubio won among voters who look for someone who "can win in November."
At the Trump rally, aides backstage devoured public exit polls with glee, noting Trump's wins in demographic categories where he had been underestimated, including evangelicals and hard-core conservatives in upstate South Carolina. They believe it signals momentum heading into the March 1 states, where they once viewed Cruz as their biggest threat but now see him as increasingly neutralized.
"If Cruz can't win South Carolina, where can he win?" a Trump aide, who declined to be named, told Yahoo News.
But even as Trump aides were making a victory lap, there were subtle shifts in strategy in South Carolina that will continue into future contests. In the final days of the primary, Trump added events at smaller venues, and he began making more unannounced stops — including swings through small-town diners. On Friday, the candidate campaigned from early morning until nearly 10 p.m. at night — not unusual for most candidates, but unusual for Trump, who typically flies home to New York every night.
For Cruz, the results were a disappointment. He had owned second place in polls in the state until very recently, and hoped after winning Iowa to do well in New Hampshire — where he came in third — and then to prevail again in heavily evangelical South Carolina. But Trump won evangelical voters here 32 percent to 27 percent for Cruz.
Cruz has outstanding organizations in many states set to vote on March 1 and beyond, and is extremely well-funded. But he must fight to keep the Republican electorate from concluding that the race should be narrowed to Rubio vs. Trump. Cruz will be helped by the fact that many conservative Christian voters in the March 1 primary states across the South will remain attracted to him. But he will have to fend off Rubio's courtship of the slice of that voting bloc who will never vote for Trump.
Cruz, speaking last of all the candidates on Saturday night, argued that he is the only conservative remaining in the race, and that he is also the best hope for Republicans to defeat Trump.
"Only one strong conservative is in a position to win this race," Cruz said. "We are the only campaign that has beaten and can beat Donald Trump."
Looking ahead to March 1, Cruz's campaign manager, Jeff Roe said his operation has "been built for this day for the entire time." Roe said the so-called SEC primary is "an electoral map that favors us."
"And then, after that we're going to go and battle out in the winner-take-all states and decide who the nominee is. So, every piece of what we've been talking about has come together," Roe said.
Rubio's campaign breathed a sigh of relief, given the candidate's situation just a week ago, when the Florida senator appeared to be on the ropes after his disastrous debate performance on Feb. 6 in New Hampshire. The argument undergirding the candidacies of governors Bush, Kasich and New Jersey's Chris Christie — that a governor with executive experience was better prepared to be president than a senator —received a fresh hearing that week.
But a steady debate performance this past Saturday, an endorsement from South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley, and strong campaigning helped Rubio recover and survive. He had once hoped for a win here in this state, just as Cruz had, and would have been well-positioned here had he not stumbled in New Hampshire. Now he must gird himself for a long and brutal primary if he wants to win.
In an impressive election night speech inside an industrial warehouse — just a few hundred yards from the Cruz event — Rubio acknowledged that he had arrived in South Carolina 10 days ago "in search of a new beginning and a fresh start."
"Many thought it was over," Rubio said. "South Carolina will always be the place of new beginnings and fresh starts."
For Bush, the results Saturday night were a heavy blow, following a few days in which his candidacy went from hopeful to knocked out. After over-performing in New Hampshire, Bush got a two point bump right away. But his performance there came at an enormous cost, with data showing (https://morningconsult.com/briefs/campaigns-brief-how-to-watch-new-hampshire/) that he spent $36 million in New Hampshire between his campaign and his super PAC, compared to just $3.7 million for Trump and only $580,000 for Cruz.
Then came the debate bloodbath on Feb. 13, a debate in which Cruz and Rubio ripped into one another and Bush tried to take on Trump, with some success. Trump looked intemperate and out of control and was booed repeatedly.
"I believe Jeb Bush has emerged as the alternative to Donald Trump," Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said (https://www.yahoo.com/politics/another-cruz-and-rubio-flame-war-benefits-bush-050042637.html) on CBS News after the debate.
On Sunday and into Monday, there was the possibility that Jeb might be mounting a comeback, especially when it was announced that his older brother George W. Bush would come Monday to campaign for him.
The former president ridiculed and criticized Trump, but did not name him. George W. Bush described his brother as "a man of deep and humble faith that reveals itself through good works, not loud words."
"Strength is not empty rhetoric, it is not bluster, it is not theatrics," Bush said. "Real strength comes from integrity and character."
But it all made no difference.
Trump held an hour-long press conference Monday afternoon to distract from the former president's campaign stop and assiduously avoided any direct and open confrontation with George W. Bush. With Trump avoiding escalation and focusing his rhetoric on Cruz, there was no real reason for W. to respond without risking more political capital than he was willing to. Bush advisers said the former president would have likely campaigned again if Trump had gone after him. Instead, Trump hid, and George W. Bush did not appear again.
Then Wednesday, press reports leaked in the morning that Haley would endorse Rubio. It was a gut punch for Bush, who had just the day before called winning her support "the most meaningful endorsement" in the state.
Haley endorsed Rubio Wednesday night and she campaigned with him all day Thursday and Friday, along with African-American U.S. Senator Tim Scott and 51-year old Rep. Trey Gowdy, offering the GOP a picture of what their national profile might look like if Rubio won the nomination and picked Haley as his running mate.
In his concession speech, Bush choked back tears as he spoke and thanked his family.
"I'm proud of the campaign that we've run to unify our country," Bush said, "but the people of Iowa and New Hampshire and South Carolina have spoken and I really respect their decision."
"I congratulate my competitors who are remaining on the island," Bush said with a slight chuckle.
South Carolina had been kind to the Bush family in the past. George H.W. Bush, Jeb's father, won it in 1988 after losing Iowa to Sen. Bob Dole. George W. Bush won it in 2000 after losing to Sen. John McCain in New Hampshire.
But in 2016, a third Bush's presidential campaign came to an end in the Palmetto state.
Ovo je verovatno duhovito ako čovek gleda Game of Thrones. Ali taj čovek, jelte, nisam ja...
http://youtu.be/I0tE6T-ecmg (http://youtu.be/I0tE6T-ecmg)
Satirično:
Bernie Sanders is the Worst Presidential Candidate in History, and You and All Your Friends are Idiots (http://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2016/02/bernie-sanders-is-the-worst-presidential-candidate.html)
Quote from: Meho Krljic on 22-02-2016, 07:08:41
Ovo je verovatno duhovito ako čovek gleda Game of Thrones. Ali taj čovek, jelte, nisam ja...
http://youtu.be/I0tE6T-ecmg (http://youtu.be/I0tE6T-ecmg)
Pa, sta znam, nije toliko duhovito koliko je stvarno dobro izmontirano. Najgori od sve dece, to je otprilike poenta. I kad smo vec kod trampovanja
Nevada: Tramp ubedljiv, treća uzastopna pobeda (http://www.b92.net/info/vesti/index.php?yyyy=2016&mm=02&dd=24&nav_category=78&nav_id=1100145)
QuoteVašington -- Kandidat za nominaciju republikanaca na izborima Donald Tramp lako je pobedio u saveznoj državi Nevadi, osiguravajući tako vođstvo u trci za nominaciju.
Čomski ne voli da se izražava u eufemizmima :lol: :lol: :lol:
Chomsky: Trump's rise due to 'breakdown of society' (http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/02/noam-chomsky-donald-trump-fear-219723)
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MIT professor and intellectual Noam Chomsky attributes Donald Trump's success in the Republican presidential primary to "fear" and a "breakdown of society."
In an interview published (http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/noam-chomsky-we-owe-rise-trump-fear-and-breakdown-society) Tuesday, AlterNet's Aaron Williams asked Chomsky for his thoughts on Trump's "surprising progress." After a second-place finish in Iowa, the billionaire has stormed to consecutive double-digit wins in New Hampshire, South Carolina and Nevada.
"Fear, along with the breakdown of society during the neoliberal period," Chomsky responded. "People feel isolated, helpless, victim of powerful forces that they do not understand and cannot influence."
Chomsky compared the political environment that's allowed Trump to flourish to the 1930s, when the U.S. was in the Great Depression. "Objectively, poverty and suffering were far greater," Chomsky said. "But even among poor working people and the unemployed, there was a sense of hope that is lacking now, in large part because of the growth of a militant labor movement and also the existence of political organizations outside the mainstream."
Trump and Hillary Clinton are leading in their respective primaries, but Chomsky demurred when asked who he thought would win the White House.
"I can express hopes and fears, but not predictions," he said.
Chomsky has contributed to Bernie Sanders' campaigns in the past but said he would "absolutely" (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/noam-chomsky-supports-hillary-clinton-218192) vote for Clinton over the Republican nominee if he lived in a swing state.
In an interview last month, Chomsky praised Sanders but said the Vermont senator didn't have "much of a chance" due to "our system of mainly bought elections."
Šteta što Vilijam F. Bakli nije živ, baš bih volio da čujem šta ON ima da kaže za Trampa.
Posljednji rezultati istraživanja javnog mnjenja govore da se Sandersu crno piše. Dok kod Republikanaca Tramp void u svih 11 država koje će glasati u utorak (Super Tuesday), Berni gubi od Klintonovke u 9, pri čemu značajnu prednost ima samo u Vermontu gdje je bio guverner. Uz to će u subotu da izgubi u Južnoj Karolini sa, kako sada stvari stoje, 25% razlike.
Postoji ozbiljna šansa da već u utorak i Tramp i Klintonovka praktično obezbijede nominacije.
Sinoć je održana još jedna GOP debata, po prvi put su Kruz i Rubio sinhronizovano napadali Trampa. Na momente se dobro branio, na momente i nije, ali je jedna stvar definitivno jasna. Kod GOP, Tramp je Alpha Male of the Group. I vjerovatno će mu ta činjenica obezbijediti nominaciju.
Meni deluje da ako bude T. vs Cl. pobeđuje Cl. dok ako bi bilo T. vs. B. pobedio bi T.
Kao sto pomenuh u jednom od gornjih postova, it all boils down to T vs C.
Ne znam kako americka javnost gleda na Hilari (Corwine, imas neke statistike ili saznanja po tom pitanju?) ali uz sve ove skandale oko donacija, cinjenice da su ljudi nezadovoljni demokratskom administracijom te klimom koja ide u prilog republikancima ja mislim da su sanse da Tramp pobedi velike....zvuci neverovatno ali ovako iz laicke tacke gledista, rekla bih da ima bolje sanse od Klintonove.
на жалост сандерс ће вероватно изгубити :(
Hilari uživa veliku podršku kod crnaca i manjina uopšte. Zato Sanders glat gubi Južnu Karolinu u kojoj je preko 50% glasača na unutarpartijskim izborima crno. Takođe kod glasača starijih od 50 godina koji Sandersa vide kao nekog ko je previše lud da bi bio predsjednik. A Sandersu su baza podrške mladi ljudi, tačnije "millennials", uglavnom bijelci i uopšte ljevičari.
Glavni problemi kod glasača vezani za Sandersa su: "one issue candidate" - totalna glupost koju plasira HRC kamp i spinuje po potrebi, "socijalista", "ima neostvarive ideje" (jer božedragi da svi imaju zdravstveno je taaaaako nerealno, kao i džabe studiranje na državnim univerzitetima), "non-electable", odnosno nema šanse da pobijedi GOP kandidata.
A za Klintonovku glavni problem je "trustworthiness", odnosno povjerenje, "general likeability" - stvarno je, mi u CG kažemo, "mrzna", i da radi za Volstrit. Plaćali su je Goldmen i Saks po 250K za polučasovne govore, niko još nije video transkripte iako ih je Sanders tražio i javno je proziva. Kod nje još postoji ta skrivena opasnost da cijela kampanja eksplodira u svakom trenutku. Naime, FBI istražuje i nju i njeno osoblje vezano za aferu sa jebenim mejlovima dok je bila ministarka spoljnih poslova. Bolje bi joj bilo da je pjevala Miljacku i da nije umjela da upali kompjuter.
Sanders se bolje od nje kotira na nacionalnom nivou, prije svega zato što bi ga podržalo daleko više "nezavisnih" glasača nego nju. Trenutno, stanje je takvo da bi on Trampa glatko dobio, dok Klintonovka ima neku prednost od možda 5%. Tako da trenutno nije baš klima naklonjena Republikancima. Tramp je u stanju da privuče najveći dio Republikanaca, ali dobar broj njih bi na predsjedničkim izborima glasao za Demokrati iz čistog straha od budale. Oni jednostavno na stranke ne gledaju kao mi u Evropi.
Haha, "mrzna", bulzaj!
Hvala na objasnjenjima xcheers
Pa ja mislim da niko nije ozbiljno očekivao da Sanders bude ozbiljan kandidat za kandidata. Mislim, on je ultrasimpatičan čovek i mobilisao je ogromnu količinu podrške građana (radije nego korporativnih donatora) ali em je on za američka shvatanja ultralevičar em nekako nije realistično da budeš kandidat a da te ne podržava ni jedna prepoznatljiva interesna grupa. Naprosto, demokratija u Americi funkcioniše na principu interesnih grupa (oni čak i nemaju direktno glasanje za predsednika nego preko electoral collegea) i naročito u unutarpartijskim izborima za kandidata uticaj interesnih grupa je presudan.
Klintonova je napravila svinjarija koje bi joj u nekoj normalnoj zemlji sahranile političku karijeru ili makar diskvalifikovale iz priče o kandidaturi ali opet, ona mudro računa na kratko pamćenje nacije (kao i neki kod nas, jelte) i eksploatiše sve prednosti koje ima (iskustvo, "pobedu" nad terorizmom, to što je šatro borkinja za ženska prava) plus, ima jasnu i nedvosmislenu podršku pre svega finansijskog sektora (ako pogledate na trenutno stanje, Goldman Sachs je drugi po donacijama (https://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cid=N00000019&cycle=Career) a tu su i Citigroup na prvom mestu, JP Morgan na četvrtom...) i nekako je jasno zašto bi ona morala da na kraju bude kandidat.
Naravno, do pre pola godine niko nije očekivao ni da Tramp bude ozbiljan kandidat za kandidata, pa u tom smislu razumem i nade vezane za Sandersa :lol:
Na sreću, demokrate gube ove izbore i na sreću, Donald Trump će biti novi predsednik SAD.
Pretpostavljam da je to zajednička želja svih koji žele zlo Americi.
A takvih je sve vise :lol:
No, bez obzira, citam i misljenja mladjih ljudi koji su u fazonu 'he tells it like it is' a pri tom nisam stekla utisak da su ti likovi bas tipicno republikansko biracko telo, tako daaa...kupuje i one protivnike PC-ja.
Ma to je klasičan populizam, naravno. Sanders i Tramp, iako u medijima prikazani kao ultra levičar i ultra desničar, zapravo dele dosta zajedničkih stavova (http://www.theatlantic.com/notes/2016/01/what-bernie-sanders-and-donald-trump-have-in-common/422907/) i dragi su delu birača jer ni jedan ni drugi ne primaju donacije od korporativnog/ finansijskog sektora, jer se zalažu za veće poreze za najbogatije a ista ili veća socijalna davanja za najsiromašnije. Njihova najveća razlika se odnosi na spoljnu politiku (mada je Tramp kao i Sanders javno govorio protiv intervencije u Iraku), ali u unutrašnjoj, Tramp je mnogo više socialist-friendly od, recimo Hilari Klinton koja je, rekosmo, prijateljica najcrnjeg bankarskog sektora (videti, recimo razliku između nje i Sandersa u idejama o zdravstvenom osiguranju (http://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/020516/hillary-clinton-vs-bernie-sanders-comparing-healthcare-proposals.asp)- Hilari priča o produbljivanju Affordable Care obuhvata, a Sanders, kao i Tramp gura single payer varijantu koja je "socijalističkija").
Lessons From Game Theory: What Keeps Kasich in the Race? (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/25/upshot/john-kasich-republican-nomination.html?_r=0)
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The Republican establishment has a problem. It is headed for a car crash.
With Jeb Bush (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/elections/jeb-bush-on-the-issues.html?inline=nyt-per) out (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/21/us/politics/jeb-bush.html) of the Republican presidential race, the two remaining mainstream candidates — Marco Rubio (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/elections/marco-rubio-on-the-issues.html?inline=nyt-per) and John Kasich (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/elections/john-kasich-on-the-issues.html?inline=nyt-per) — are living out an issue studied for decades in game theory. Game theorists might call the G.O.P. (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/r/republican_party/index.html?inline=nyt-org) predicament an anti-coordination game (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordination_game) or even a volunteer's dilemma. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volunteer%27s_dilemma) But most of us might call it by a more familiar name: chicken (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_%28game%29).
Although Mr. Rubio is the obvious establishment favorite, leading Mr. Kasich in national polls (http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-national-gop-primary), prediction markets (http://predictwise.com/politics/2016-president-republican-nomination) and delegate math (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/elections/primary-calendar-and-results.html), the two are splitting some votes. To have his best chance against Donald Trump and Ted Cruz, Mr. Rubio needs Mr. Kasich to drop out. The longer both candidates remain in the race, the worse it is for both of them. It's safe to assume neither would like to see Mr. Trump get the nomination.
In "An Essay on Bargaining," a classic paper (http://faculty.chicagobooth.edu/richard.thaler/research/pdf/schelling.pdf) from 1956, Thomas Schelling lays out several strategies that may be useful for both Mr. Kasich and Mr. Rubio. Here, we focus on three: commitment, promises and threats. As Richard Thaler, the behavioral economist at the University of Chicago, explained, the strategies can be applied (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/08/business/the-art-of-bargaining-lost-upon-washington-economic-view.html?_r=0) to anything: health care, nuclear deterrence, the last piece of pizza.
Mr. Kasich's first option, of course, is to stay in the race. But he could go further, by committing to stay in no matter what. In a classic game of chicken between two drivers rushing headlong toward each other, this strategy is like removing your steering wheel, leaving you no choice but to drive straight toward your opponent.
Mr. Kasich could defend this choice by pointing to his obstacle-strewn but possible path (http://douthat.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/02/22/the-case-for-rubio-kasich/) to the nomination. He might point out that only a tiny fraction of Republican delegates have been allocated; he might note that he could pick up many of Mr. Bush's voters (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/02/21/us/will-bush-votes-go-to-trump-cruz-rubio-kasich.html); he could hope for another robotic debate performance (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/11/us/politics/marco-rubio.html) from Mr. Rubio or even an implosion from the Trump or Cruz campaigns. This series of events is unlikely, of course. It doesn't matter how long Mr. Kasich actually intends to stay in the race. All that matters is whether Mr. Rubio believes he will do so. (If you're going to remove your steering wheel, make sure the other driver sees you do it!) The more believable the commitment, the stronger his negotiating position for the far more effective strategy in brinkmanship games: cutting a deal.
Side deals, bargains or promises are the way negotiations actually get done. In a 1984 paper (http://faculty.som.yale.edu/barrynalebuff/DragonSlaying_JPE1984.pdf) on the private supply of a public good, the economists Christopher Bliss and Barry Nalebuff wrote that "binding agreements combined with side payments can always produce a superior outcome" to brinkmanship.
Some deals are obvious; the best such deal would be a spot on the presidential ticket, which Mr. Rubio could offer Mr. Kasich in exchange for dropping out — provided he becomes the nominee, of course. (A simple Google search (https://www.google.com/search?q=rubio+kasich+side+deals&oq=rubio+kasich+side+deals&aqs=chrome..69i57.2723j0j7&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=119&ie=UTF-8) of "Rubio Kasich side deals" produces no shortage of opinions on the matter.)
There are other potential promises. It might take the form of a concession on another matter — Mr. Rubio could promise to adopt or address some of Mr. Kasich's issues, which would allow Mr. Kasich to end his campaign and claim a small victory. In the book "Prisoner's Dilemma (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004KPM1GM/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?ie=UTF8&btkr=1)," William Poundstone suggests (http://www.nytimes.com/1992/02/10/books/books-of-the-times-is-this-theory-about-games-or-life-well-both.html) that the best solution to a game of chicken is one that allows the losing party to give in while still "saving face." He noted its role in bringing a peaceful end to the Cuban missile crisis (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/c/cuban_missile_crisis/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier).
Regardless of the details, the quality of the deal depends on how much a Kasich exit matters to Mr. Rubio. The more crucial his exit, the stronger any promise is sure to be.
There is a third strategy available to Mr. Kasich, which takes the form of threats. Here, Mr. Kasich might insist on a promise or concession from Mr. Rubio; if he doesn't get it, he could threaten to support a different candidate, like Mr. Trump or Mr. Cruz. That move wouldn't serve shared establishment interests, but if the threat had the potential to damage Mr. Rubio enough, it could be a useful bargaining chip. "Being crazy is a strategy, but only if your opponent actually believes it," Mr. Thaler said. Of the three strategies described here, this seems least likely.
Two external factors complicate this matter further.
Part of the reason this dilemma exists in the first place is that mainstream Republicans lack the unity or influence to compel any cooperation. After the New Hampshire primary, one Republican likened (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/10/us/politics/republican-primary.html) the battle among mainstream candidates to a hockey fight: "The gloves are off and the refs can't get in the middle of it." That's exactly right.
If establishment Republicans had a clear, unimpeachable leader who was not a participant in the race, that person might be able to compel a candidate to drop out and support whomever the party determined to be strongest, allowing candidates who quit to save face by saying they did it for "the good of the party." At the moment, no such leader exists for mainstream Republicans, resulting in a tragedy of the commons (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/02/gop-establishments-tragedy-of-the-commons.html)-like failure of collective action.
Second, this is a game that's played just once. The chance to be your party's nominee for president comes along only every four or eight years, even for the very luckiest candidates. If the candidates lived in a universe in which they could run for president hundreds of times, they might agree that, on average, their shared interests were better served by cooperating. Once in a while, Mr. Kasich might try to win the contest outright against long odds, but, on average, he would probably agree that cooperating, including alternating victories, was the best way to serve his and Mr. Rubio's shared interests. Game theory shows that in iterated dilemmas, played many hundreds or thousands of times, cooperation is a very stable strategy — one reason it is so common in nature.
But this is not an iterated dilemma. It's a one-time-only dilemma with a tremendous payoff for the winner. As much as Mr. Kasich might think about his legacy, the good of the party or even his own chances in 2020 or 2024, the future is very far away.
Ultimately, they risk an outcome neither he nor Mr. Rubio wants. As Daniel Diermeier, the dean of the public policy school at the University of Chicago, notes, "A very important lesson of game theory is that sometimes the world is a grim place." Correction: February 26, 2016 An Upshot article on Thursday about how game theory could explain the predicament faced by the candidates John Kasich and Marco Rubio in the Republican primary race misstated the subject of a 1984 paper by the economists Christopher Bliss and Barry Nalebuff. The paper was on the private supply of a public good, not the public supply of a private good.
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I, evo, afroamerički glasovi su je doveli do pobede u Južnoj Karolini:
Hillary Clinton wins South Carolina as Bernie Sanders flops with black voters (https://www.yahoo.com/politics/hillary-clinton-wins-south-carolina-as-bernie-000312859.html)
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COLUMBIA, S.C. — Hillary Clinton trounced her rival Bernie Sanders in South Carolina Saturday, her second decisive win in a week as she heads into Super Tuesday.
"Tomorrow, this campaign goes national," Clinton said to a fired-up crowd at the volleyball court in the University of South Carolina.
Her speech was largely aimed at GOP frontrunner Donald Trump, as if she were already the nominee making a general election pitch. "We don't need to make America great again. America never stopped being great," she said. "Instead of building walls, we need to be tearing down barriers."
She quoted Scripture and asked for more "love and kindness," setting up a sharp contrast to Trump.
The win dims Sanders' prospects but at the same time makes it even more urgent for Clinton to appeal to his supporters, a passionate part of the Democratic base she can ill afford to alienate before the general election.
Clinton campaigned hard in the state, drawing large, mostly African-American crowds to town halls and rallies across South Carolina. (ABC exit polling (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/live-south-carolina-democratic-primary-exit-poll-analysis/story?id=37...) showed that Clinton won 84 percent of the black vote.) She stressed her personal commitment to the state, which she first visited as a young lawyer fighting against a system that sent juveniles to adult jails, and slammed Sanders on gun control in particular. She campaigned with African-American mothers whose children were killed by police or in incidents of gun violence, and made reforming the criminal justice system and ending "systemic racism" a centerpiece of her stump speech.
Her high-profile surrogates also made the case that Sanders' courting of the black vote was driven by political necessity — flipping the script on the insurgent candidate who has run on his authenticity.
"Don't you come to my communities, talk about how much you care, talk your passion for criminal justice, and then I don't hear from you after an election. And I didn't hear from you before the election," Sen. Cory Booker of New Jersey told a group of mostly black voters who gathered in a Methodist church in Florence to hear Clinton speak Thursday.
In a statement, Sanders congratulated Clinton on her win but said the race was far from over. "This campaign is just beginning," he said. "We won a decisive victory in New Hampshire. She won a decisive victory in South Carolina. Now it's on to Super Tuesday."
Sanders, surging after a big win in New Hampshire, hit a wall in this state, where exit polls suggested more than 60 percent of the Democratic primary voters were black. Despite outreach attempts and the testimony of African-American surrogates who crisscrossed South Carolina on his behalf, Sanders did not make significant inroads with black voters here. At a muted rally Friday night in Columbia, the Vermonter remained confident. "I'm going to need your help the day after the general election," Sanders told the mostly white crowd of a couple of hundred supporters.
His campaign team has long been prepared for the possibility that Sanders would lose in Nevada and Southern states (https://www.yahoo.com/politics/bernie-sanders-wants-new-hampshire-to-be-his-173223318.html), where Clinton has stronger minority support. But they like his chances in Super Tuesday states such as Colorado, Massachusetts and Sanders' home state of Vermont. Sanders left South Carolina on Saturday morning for rallies in Texas and Minnesota, which both vote Tuesday. Still, in order to catch up to Clinton's delegate count, Sanders would have to win by wider margins in these states than polling shows he's getting (http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/bernie-sanders-doesnt-need-momentum-he-needs-to-win-these-states/?ex_cid=story-facebook).
(https://s.yimg.com/g/images/spaceball.gif)If Clinton keeps amassing delegates and Sanders is forced to concede this spring, the former secretary of state faces the daunting task of drawing Sanders' supporters to her without pivoting so far to the left that she alienates moderate Democrats in the general election. Clinton has had trouble attracting white men and younger voters. President Obama was reelected in 2012 with just 39 percent of the white vote, which has presented a new path to the presidency driven by galvanizing minority communities. Still, Sanders has attracted a disproportionate share of young voters, a demographic Clinton has acknowledged she needs to win over.
On Thursday, a high school senior asked Clinton what she would do to ignite the same kind of "fire" in young voters that Sanders has, suggesting that she start a youth advisory council and appoint him to it.
"I want to ... get all your information," Clinton said. "Your suggestion is a very good one." Clinton added that she knows many young people are supporting Sanders and called millennials "one of the most generous, tolerant, connected generations in human history."
"I know they may not be for me now, but I'll be for them always," she said, a line she's repeated several times.
Clinton spokeswoman Jennifer Palmieri said earlier Thursday that Clinton wants Sanders' voters to get to know her better and believes she can talk them over to her side with time.
"We just refuse to accept that we can't convince them," Palmieri said of Sanders' supporters, particularly the young ones. "He has very committed supporters, and we respect that. ... These are people that are engaged enough to care. [Clinton] was one of those people.
"She wants them to know her better," she said.
But some hardcore Sanders supporters, who label themselves "Bernie or Bust," said they would rather sit out the general election than cast their vote for Clinton.
Shawn Crowe, a 49-year-old Columbia native who works on refrigeration equipment, said he was a lifelong Republican until 2012, when he became disillusioned with how the party treated Ron Paul. He threw his support behind Sanders last May.
If Clinton wins the nomination, he won't vote for her for president.
"That's not really for partisan reasons. I just don't trust her," he said at a rally for Sanders in Columbia. "There's going to be a lot of people [like me]. We call them 'Bernie or Bust' people. I'm one of them. I don't have a plan B."
The rapper Killer Mike, a Sanders surrogate, said he hadn't made up his mind what he would do if Clinton runs against a Republican.
"To be honest with you, I don't know," he said while at a campaign stop at the Phlayva barbershop. "Because I just don't support oligarchies. I don't wish to vote for another Clinton or Bush."
Others at the Sanders rally said they'd hold their nose and vote for Clinton. "I wouldn't really want to, but I'd have to," said Anna Mesa, 22. "I don't trust her."
Still, some Sanders supporters have already made the jump, hoping to get the party united around one nominee to have a better shot at beating whomever the Republicans put up.
Columbia resident James Anthony was persuaded to shift his support from Sanders to Clinton by his friend Carole Benson. "She told me that a vote for Bernie is a vote for Trump," Anthony said at a rally for Clinton Thursday night. "I love his ideas, I love the idealism. But it's not doable."(https://s.yimg.com/g/images/spaceball.gif)
Džon Oliver rastura, Make Donald Drumpf Again:
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Pred Super Tuesday, zanimljiv tekst:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/first-to-last-super-tuesday_us_56d0c445e4b0bf0dab322993?utm_hp_ref=politics (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/first-to-last-super-tuesday_us_56d0c445e4b0bf0dab322993?utm_hp_ref=politics)
Heh, heh, Farakanu se dopada Tramp :lol: :lol: :lol:
Louis Farrakhan on Donald Trump: 'I Like What I'm Looking At' (http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-03-01/louis-farrakhan-on-donald-trump-i-like-what-im-looking-at)
Dakle, Supertjuzdi, Tramp razvalio, Republikanci su sada već ozbiljno zabrinuti jer ispada da će njihov kandidat na izborima na kraju biti čovek koga niko iz vrha stranke ne želi, a Hilari značajno ojačala svoju poziciju. Sasvim moguće da će na kraju izbori da se svedu na Tramp vs. Klinton.
Trump claims 7 GOP victories, extending dominance (http://news.yahoo.com/trump-looks-extend-dominance-gop-starts-panic-183420269--election.html)
The night Hillary Clinton regained her inevitability (https://www.yahoo.com/politics/the-night-hillary-clinton-regained-her-020854315.html)
Moguće je, ali daleko od toga da je Hilari obezbijedila nominaciju. Sanders je pobijedio u 4 države, a skupio veliki broj delegata i u ostalim. Upravo južne države, u kojima je glasanje završeno su za Sandersa i bile najproblematičnije, biće mu lakše kako process odmiče. Ostalo je još 35 država.
Da, pa, Sanders i kaže da će se sad žestoko boriti za svaku državu (https://www.yahoo.com/politics/after-super-tuesday-bernie-sanders-says-hes-031241686.html). No, ovo je Klintonki svakako napravilo dobru inerciju, vidiš da je onaj gore uzleteo da priča o njenom "inevitabilitiju" :lol:
Vjerovatno je istina za inerciju ili "momentum" kako oni kažu, ali što se medija tiče, ne zaboravi da je većina medija daleko naklonjenija njoj, iz očiglednih razloga - njihovi vlasnici spadaju u 1%. Mediji u SAD rijetko padaju na grane medija sa Balkana, ali je iluzorno očekivati objektivne analize u bilo čemu što prismrdi mainstream medijima.
Srećom, danas imamo, kako se to obićno kaže, uticajne tviteraše :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: Meho Krljic on 02-03-2016, 08:37:04
Sasvim moguće da će na kraju izbori da se svedu na Tramp vs. Klinton.
D horor. D horor.
Ma, čujte, pošto nas najviše zanima spoljna politika, nije da smo se s Obamom, mirotvorcem, usrećili. Možda Tramp bude benevolentniji prema Srbima po nekakvoj skoro-pa-rođačkoj liniji :lol: :lol: :lol:
Edit: Nego, Krekd analizira veličinu fenomena Tramp:
5 Ways We Got The Trump Campaign Wrong: An Insider Explains (http://www.cracked.com/blog/trump-will-be-nominee-5-inside-reasons-it-happened/)
No Shame for Bill and Hillary: Entitlement Has No Boundaries (http://observer.com/2016/03/no-shame-for-bill-and-hillary-entitlement-has-no-boundaries/)
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From Lewinsky to Benghazi, the Clinton political playbook bursts with unapologetic contradictions
Bill Clinton (http://observer.com/2016/01/bill-clinton-bombs-in-his-first-solo-speech-in-new-hampshire/) has once again exhibited a lack of integrity.
During yesterday's Super Tuesday primaries, the former president entered (https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2016/03/01/did-bill-clinton-violate-election-rules-mass/5octlX1d28GwmN3kitiECK/story.html) a polling station with Boston mayor Marty Walsh while campaigning for his wife in Massachusetts, a state that could have swayed for either Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders. It is illegal to campaign within 150 feet of a polling station, and given that he was an elected official for several years, Mr. Clinton was certainly aware he was breaking the rules.
Mr. Clinton defended himself, arguing he did not campaign or approach voters. But, because of his notoriety, he didn't need to approach anyone—they were bound to confront him. When one voter asked (http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/blog/2016/03/01/bill-clinton-massachusetts-voting-laws/) for a photo with Mr. Clinton, he smugly responded, "as long as we're not violating any election laws." He knew there would be no reprehension because of his powerful political status, while in 2008 he continuously accused (http://www.politico.com/blogs/ben-smith/2008/01/bill-clinton-says-he-witnessed-voter-suppression-005418) the Obama campaign of voter intimidation.
If Jane Sanders or the spouse of any Republican presidential candidate were to do what Mr. Clinton did, there would be outrage from the Clinton campaign in retaliation.
Both Bill and Hillary Clinton have demonstrated disrespect for their constituency throughout their political careers, and this has been epitomized by their recent interactions with protesters at their events.
At a Clinton campaign rally last week, a former marine vocalized (http://nypost.com/2016/02/27/shut-up-and-listen-bill-clinton-tells-off-retired-marine-during-speech/) his disdain for how Ms. Clinton handled Benghazi as Secretary of State, and Mr. Clinton responded by yelling at the individual to "shut up and listen." Ms. Clinton displayed this same abrasiveness when interrupted by a Black Lives Matter activist (http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/25/politics/hillary-clinton-black-lives-matter-whichhillary/) at one of her $500-a-plate fundraisers. Ms. Clinton immediately responded to the activist angrily, out shouting the activist until security forcibly removed him from the fundraiser. During similar disturbances, her opponent, Mr. Sanders, either (http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/black-lives-matter-protesters-shut-down-bernie-sanders-rally/) let the activist speak or addressed them in an understanding, compassionate manner. Both Bill and Hillary Clinton knew the incidences were being videotaped and would receive national attention, yet still reacted with entitlement—for who dares interrupt them when they are speaking?
The Clinton records are permeated with unabashed entitlement and disrespect for the people they were elected to represent. Mr. Clinton was caught lying under oath and was nearly impeached for it. He also has a long history of sexual harassment and assault, stemming from Gennifer Flowers, who in 1992 admitted (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/clinton/cron/) she had a 12-year affair with him. Mr. Clinton told Steve Kroft during a 60 Minutes interview in 1992 he had caused pain in his marriage, but that didn't stop him from involving himself in similar scandals with Juanita Broderick, Kathleen Willey, Linda Tripp, Paula Jones and Monica Lewinsky (http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/resources/lewinsky/timeline/).
Ms. Clinton's political record is filled with unapologetic contradictions. Nearly everything she has said during the 2016 presidential primaries can be traced back to completely contradictory past statements, and when confronted she reverts to planned, dismissive talking points. Ms. Clinton repeatedly obstructed the investigation into her e-mail server (http://observer.com/2016/02/a-liberal-explains-why-emailgate-is-not-a-gop-smear-campaign/) as Secretary of State, dodged her involvement in the Benghazi scandal (http://news.yahoo.com/hillary-clinton-role-benghazi-know-195600379.html) and has refused to release her speech transcripts (http://observer.com/2016/02/clinton-aligns-with-republicans-to-hide-wall-street-influences-in-speeches/) to large financial firms while claiming to be the champion of Wall Street reform. (http://observer.com/2016/02/why-wall-street-gives-hillary-clinton-millions-of-dollars/) She has attacked Mr. Sanders for discrepancies on his record for gun control (http://time.com/4177893/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-gun-control/), while an NRA lobbyist (https://theintercept.com/2016/03/01/nra-lobbyist-will-co-host-clinton-fundraiser/) will be co-hosting a fundraiser for her in mid-March. Her role as Secretary of State during the Obama administration is touted as a qualification for the presidency, when in reality her foreign policy (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeffrey-sachs/hilary-clinton-and-the-is_b_8627042.html) was interventionist (http://www.salon.com/2016/02/28/dnc_vice_chair_resigns_endorses_sanders_blasts_clintons_interventionist_regime_change_policies/), resulting in a reduction in safety and national security as the war in Iraq imploded into the rise of ISIS in the Middle East.
Once a proponent (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/01/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-health-care-thank-you) for rallying Democrats to make universal healthcare a reality, Ms. Clinton now criticizes Mr. Sanders for his single payer healthcare plan while racking up more donations (http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/257234-clinton-brings-in-most-big-pharma-money-of-2016-field) from large pharmaceutical companies than any other candidate. She has merely adopted (http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/hillary-expected-to-adopt-all-of-sanderss-positions-by-noon) popular aspects of Mr. Sanders' campaign platform to appease Democrats to the left with meaningless social justice (http://observer.com/2016/02/the-totalitarian-doctrine-of-social-justice-warriors/) rhetoric to compound her loyal support from the moderate Democratic establishment. Leading up to the Democratic presidential primaries, Ms. Clinton used her political and corporate influence (http://observer.com/2016/01/hillary-clinton-good-lawyer-awful-president/) to virtually crown herself the Democratic presidential nominee, similar to how she selected New York in 2000 to serve (http://www.nytimes.com/2000/11/08/politics/08YORK.html?pagewanted=all) as U.S. Senator, a state to which she had no unique ties but knew she could win with little-to-no opposition. Politicians are generally thought to be two-faced on some level, but Bill and Hillary Clinton take it to appallingly shameless levels.
A sa druge strane:
Exclusive: Koch brothers will not use funds to try to block Trump nomination (http://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-koch-brothers-not-funds-try-block-trump-010111128.html#)
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NEW YORK (Reuters) - The Koch brothers, the most powerful conservative mega donors in the United States, will not use their $400 million political arsenal to try to block Republican front-runner Donald Trump's path to the presidential nomination, a spokesman told Reuters on Wednesday.
The decision by the billionaire industrialists is another setback to Republican establishment efforts to derail the New York real estate mogul's bid for the White House, and follows speculation the Kochs would soon launch a "Trump Intervention."
"We have no plans to get involved in the primary," said James Davis, spokesman for Freedom Partners, the Koch brothers' political umbrella group. He would not elaborate on what the brothers' strategy would be for the Nov. 8 election to succeed Democratic President Barack Obama.
Three sources close to the Kochs said the brothers made the decision because they were concerned that spending millions of dollars attacking Trump would be money wasted, since they had not yet seen any attack on Trump stick.
The Koch brothers are also smarting from the millions of dollars they pumped into the failed 2012 Republican presidential bids of Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney, the sources said.
Republican U.S. presidential candidate Donald Trump speaks about the results of Super Tuesday primar ...Donors and media reports have speculated since January, when the Kochs gathered 500 of America's wealthiest political donors at a California resort, that they would deploy their vast political network to target Trump.
The Kochs oppose his protectionist trade rhetoric and hardline views on immigration - which include building a wall along the U.S. border with Mexico and deporting millions of illegal immigrants.
Many Republican figures and business backers are eager to see Trump, a political outsider who has tapped into rising anti-establishment sentiment, fail in his bid for the nomination. They prefer instead a more traditional candidate like U.S. Senator Marco Rubio of Florida.
But with Trump racking up a series of wins in the early nominating contests against opponents including Rubio and U.S. Senator Ted Cruz of Texas, there is a growing sense of inevitability that he will win the party's mantle.
A evo šta kaže urednik mog omiljenog ne-mejnstrim medija:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/why-bernie-sanders-won-su_b_9363416.html?utm_hp_ref=politics (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/why-bernie-sanders-won-su_b_9363416.html?utm_hp_ref=politics)
хафингтон пост није не-мејнстрим...веома је мејнстрим, део аол/веризона
Nisam mislio na huff post nego na the young turks.
добар је то канал
Imali su crnju, sad će imati ženturaču. Tramp je samo klovn i taman da dubi na trepavicama neće biti izabran. Ako ništa drugo, brojaće glasove ručno i pobediće Hilari za dva glasa.
Cruz, Trump each grab 2 wins; Dems divide states too (https://www.yahoo.com/politics/5-more-states-taking-turn-2016-white-house-180050792--election.html)
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WICHITA, Kan. (AP) — In a split decision, Ted Cruz and Donald Trump each captured two victories in Saturday's four-state round of voting, fresh evidence that there's no quick end in sight to the fractious GOP race for president. On the Democratic side, Bernie Sanders notched wins in Nebraska and Kansas, while front-runner Hillary Clinton snagged Louisiana, another divided verdict from the American people.
Cruz claimed Kansas and Maine, and declared it "a manifestation of a real shift in momentum." Trump, still the front-runner in the hunt for delegates, bagged Louisiana and Kentucky. Despite strong support from the GOP establishment, Florida Sen. Marco Rubio had another disappointing night, raising serious questions about his viability in the race.
Trump, at a post-election news conference in West Palm Beach, Florida, declared himself primed for a head-on contest between himself and Cruz, and called for Rubio to drop out.
"I would like to take on Ted one-on-one," he said, ticking off a list of big states where he said Cruz had no chance. "That would be so much fun."
Cruz, a tea party favorite, said the results should send a loud message that the GOP contest for the nomination is far from over, and that the status quo is in trouble.
"The scream you hear, the howl that comes from Washington D.C., is utter terror at what we the people are doing together," he declared during a rally in Idaho, which votes in three days.
With the GOP race in chaos, establishment figures frantically are looking for any way to derail Trump, perhaps at a contested convention if no candidate can get enough delegates to lock up the nomination in advance. Party leaders — including 2012 nominee Mitt Romney and 2008 nominee Sen. John McCain — are fearful a Trump victory would lead to a disastrous November election, with losses up and down the GOP ticket.
"Everyone's trying to figure out how to stop Trump," the billionaire marveled at an afternoon rally in Orlando, Florida, where he had supporters raise their hands and swear to vote for him.
Trump prevailed in the home state of Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, who has been critical of the front-runner for incendiary comments on Muslims and a slow disavowal of white supremacist groups.
Rubio, who finished no better than third anywhere and has only one win so far, insisted the upcoming schedule of primaries is "better for us," and renewed his vow to win his home state of Florida, claiming all 99 delegates there on March 15.
But Cruz suggested it was time for Rubio and Ohio Gov. John Kasich to go.
"As long as the field remains divided, it gives Donald an advantage," he said.
Campaigning in Detroit, Clinton said she was thrilled to add to her delegate count and expected to do well in Michigan's primary on Tuesday.
"No matter who wins this Democratic nomination," she said, "I have not the slightest doubt that on our worst day we will be infinitely better than the Republicans on their best day."
Tara Evans, a 52-year-old quilt maker from Bellevue, Nebraska, said she was caucusing for Clinton, and happy to know that the former first lady could bring her husband back to the White House.
"I like Bernie, but I think Hillary had the best chance of winning," she said.
Sanders won by solid margins in Nebraska and Kansas, giving him seven victories so far in the nominating season, compared to 11 for Clinton, who still maintains a commanding lead in competition for delegates.
Sanders, in an interview with The Associated Press, pointed to his wide margins of victory and called it evidence that his political revolution is coming to pass.
Stressing the important of voter turnout, he said, "when large numbers of people come — working people, young people who have not been involved in the political process — we will do well and I think that is bearing out tonight."
Count Wichita's Barb Berry among those who propelled Cruz to victory in Kansas, where GOP officials reported extremely high turnout. Overall, Cruz has won seven states so far, to 12 for Trump.
"I believe that he is a true fighter for conservatives," said Berry, a 67-year-old retired AT&T manager. As for Trump, Berry said, "he is a little too narcissistic."Clinton picked up at least 51 delegates to Sanders' 45 in Saturday's contests, with delegates yet to be allocated.
Overall, Clinton had at least 1,117 delegates to Sanders' 477, including superdelegates — members of Congress, governors and party officials who can support the candidate of their choice. It takes 2,383 delegates to win the Democratic nomination.
Cruz will collect at least 60 delegates for winning the Republican caucuses in Kansas and Maine, Trump at least 46 and Rubio at least 13 and Kasich eight.
In the overall race for GOP delegates, Trump led with at least 375 and Cruz had at least 291. Rubio had 123 delegates and Kasich had 33.
It takes 1,237 delegates to win the Republican nomination for president.
Why you may not like Ted Cruz's face, according to science (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/03/03/why-you-may-not-like-ted-cruzs-face-according-science/81265836/)
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Ted Cruz pitches himself as an overcomer, an underdog, an outsider who beats the odds.
While the Republic candidate has won four states in this nomination race so far, a neurologist says he still faces a big obstacle with voters: his own face.
In an interview with Quartz (http://qz.com/629959/a-neurologist-thinks-ted-cruzs-face-makes-it-impossible-to-vote-for-him/), George Washington University's Richard E. Cytowic said the unusual movements of Cruz's face may make him seem less sincere to the human brain than other candidates.
"The normal way a face moves is what's called the Duchenne smile, named after the 19th century French neurologist. So the mouth goes up, the eyes narrow and the eyes crinkle at the outside, forming crows feet," said Cytowic, a professor of neurology.
"Cruz doesn't give a Duchenne smile. His mouth goes in a tight line across or else it curves down in an anti-Duchenne smile. So he doesn't come across as sincere at all."
That doesn't mean Cruz is actually less sincere than, say, the Duchenne-smiling Trump or Rubio, Quartz notes. It is completely normal to perceive him that way, according to Cytowic, perhaps making Cruz's political success all the more noteworthy.
Cruz also makes jabbing motions and other unusual body motions while speaking, Cytowic said, which can feed negatively into the split-second judgments the brain makes when analyzing anyone, including candidates.
That's because when the brain makes choices, he said, it seeks to simplify the decision-making process.
In doing so, familiar or pleasing physical attributes like the Duchenne smile can actually do more to sway a voter's preference for a candidate than his or her stated policies.
So while many voters may think they choose their candidates based solely on rational factors like policy, Cytowic said, that's unfortunately not the case.
"Looks trump policy—no pun intended," he said. "Sad, but true."
See Quartz's video interview here (http://qz.com/629959/a-neurologist-thinks-ted-cruzs-face-makes-it-impossible-to-vote-for-him/).
Why Hillary Clinton is unlikely to be indicted over her private email server (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/why-hillary-clinton-is-unlikely-to-be-indicted-over-her-private-email-server/2016/03/08/341c3786-e557-11e5-b0fd-073d5930a7b7_story.html)
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For those of you salivating — or trembling — at the thought of Hillary Clinton being clapped in handcuffs as she prepares to deliver her acceptance speech at the Democratic convention this summer (http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/12/politics/democratic-national-convention-2016-philadelphia/): deep, cleansing breath. Based on the available facts and the relevant precedents, criminal prosecution of Clinton for mishandling classified information in her emails is extraordinarily unlikely.
My exasperation with Clinton's use of a private email server while secretary of state is long-standing and unabated. Lucky for her, political idiocy is not criminal. Ruth Marcus is a columnist for The Post, specializing in American politics and domestic policy. View Archive (http://www.washingtonpost.com/people/ruth-marcus)
"There are plenty of unattractive facts but not a lot of clear evidence of criminality, and we tend to forget the distinction," American University law professor Stephen Vladeck, an expert on prosecutions involving classified information, told me. "This is really just a political firestorm, not a criminal case."
Could a clever law student fit the fact pattern into a criminal violation? Sure. Would a responsible federal prosecutor pursue it? Hardly — absent new evidence, based on my conversations with experts in such prosecutions.
There are two main statutory hooks. Title 18, Section 1924 (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1924), a misdemeanor, makes it a crime for a government employee to "knowingly remove" classified information "without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location."
Prosecutors (http://www.ncwd.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/general/Petraeus.pdf)used this provision (https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/opa/press-releases/attachments/2015/03/03/petraeus-factual-basis.pdf) in securing a guilty plea from former CIA director David H. Petraeus, who was sentenced to probation and fined $100,000 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/petraeus-set-to-plead-guilty-to-mishandling-classified-materials/2015/04/22/3e6dbf20-e8f5-11e4-aae1-d642717d8afa_story.html). But there are key differences between Petraeus and Clinton.
Petraeus clearly knew the material he provided to Paula Broadwell was classified and that she was not authorized to view it. "Highly classified . . . code word stuff in there," he told her (http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-03-03/david-petraeus-to-plead-guilty-to-classified-information-charge). He lied to FBI agents, the kind of behavior that tends to inflame prosecutors.
In Clinton's case, by contrast, there is no clear evidence that Clinton knew (or even should have known) that the material in her emails was classified. Second, it is debatable whether her use of the private server constituted removal or retention of material. Finally, the aggravating circumstance of false statements to federal agents is, as far as we know, absent.
The government used the same statute in 2005 against (https://fas.org/irp/congress/2007_rpt/berger.pdf) former national security adviser Sandy Berger (https://www.justice.gov/archive/opa/pr/2005/April/05_crm_155.htm), who was sentenced to probation and fined $50,000 (http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/09/08/berger.sentenced/). Here, too, the conduct was more evidently egregious than what the public record shows about Clinton's. Berger, at the National Archives preparing for the 9/11 investigations, twice took copies of a classified report out of the building, hiding the documents in his clothes.
For Clinton, the worst public fact involves a 2011 email exchange (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/265367-clinton-defends-telling-aid-to-send-data-through-nonsecure-channel)with aide Jake Sullivan. When she has trouble receiving a secure fax, Clinton instructs Sullivan to "turn [it] into nonpaper [with] no identifying heading and send nonsecure." But Clinton has said she was not asking for classified information. In any event, it does not appear her instructions were followed.
Another possible prosecutorial avenue involves the Espionage Act. Section 793(d) (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793) makes it a felony if a person entrusted with "information relating to the national defense" "willfully communicates, delivers [or] transmits" it to an unauthorized person. That might be a stretch given the "willfully" requirement.
Section 793(f) covers (http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2015/09/did-hillary-violate-the-law-against-disclosing-defense-information-a-preliminary-analysis.php) a person with access to "national defense" information who through "gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust." The government has used the "gross negligence" provision to prosecute a Marine sergeant who accidentally put classified documents in his gym bag (https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2000/03/18/us-inconsistent-when-secrets-are-loose/6a928f72-d79b-430d-9c0b-93c67af05568/), then hid them in his garage rather than returning them, and an Air Force sergeant who put classified material in a Dumpster so he could get home early.
The argument here would be that Clinton engaged in such "gross negligence" by transferring information she knew or should have known was classified from its "proper place" onto her private server, or by sharing it with someone not authorized to receive it. Yet, as the Supreme Court has said, "gross negligence" is a "nebulous (http://repository.jmls.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2252&context=lawreview)" term. Especially in the criminal context, it would seem to require conduct more like throwing classified materials into a Dumpster than putting them on a private server that presumably had security protections.
My point here isn't to praise Clinton's conduct. She shouldn't have been using the private server for official business in the first place. It's certainly possible she was cavalier about discussing classified material on it; that would be disturbing but she wouldn't be alone, especially given rampant over-classification.
The handling of the emails is an entirely legitimate subject for FBI investigation. That's a far cry from an indictable offense.
Why Did Hillary Clinton Need a Private Server? The Answer Makes Bernie Sanders President (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/why-did-hillary-clinton-need-a-private-server-the-answer-makes-bernie-sanders-president_b_9397304.html?utm_hp_ref=politics)
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Hillary Clinton is the only Secretary of State to delete 31,830 emails, from her own private server and without government oversight. Thus, we haven't seen all her emails yet. In fact, there are over 30,000 emails that the FBI or Bryan Pagliano might have been able to access, but none of us will see these emails. Tim Black offers a brilliant analysis of the Pagliano breakthrough, from an IT perspective, in this segment of Tim Black TV.
So, when you read those wonderfully titled articles about what we've learned from 55,000 pages of Clinton's emails, remember that over 30,000 were deleted; without government or third-party oversight.
Thankfully, Democrats have one person named Bernie Sanders who can type, and save an email, using government networks and without an FBI investigation.
As the only Secretary of State never to use an @state.gov email address, Hillary Clinton is also the only Secretary of State to use a private server exclusively. As Yahoo states, "Clinton acknowledged in March that she exclusively used a private email account and private server from 2009 to 2013 while secretary of state, opting against a government account despite official recommendations."
Sorry Hillary supporters, nobody in State Department history has ever used a private server exclusively, or completely circumvented a State.gov email address.
As for the spin regarding over-classification, Americans aren't allowed to see the 22 "Top Secret" emails on Clinton's server because they've been classified correctly. As I state in this YouTube segment, bring home Edward Snowden and free Chelsea Manning if America's intelligence community has an over-classification problem. As it is, Hillary Clinton's entire email saga has made a mockery of our intelligence community.
In addition to the 22 "Top Secret" emails the public isn't allowed to see, that Clinton's campaign believes is an example of over-classification, Clinton is the only government official ever to use a private server exclusively for work and personal correspondence.
Furthermore, it doesn't matter what the corrupt officials in Bush's White House did, their behavior shouldn't be the standard by which we judge Clinton. I state my views of Dick Cheney and how he destabilized the Middle East in this Ring of Fire segment, but the days of "Bush was worse" are over.
Therefore, there's one question that all Americans, especially Hillary supporters, should ask.
Why?
Why did Hillary Clinton need to use a private server exclusively?
I ask why Clinton needed this server in my latest YouTube segment, and I'm especially interested in learning why from Hillary supporters.
The answer could very likely lead to Hillary Clinton's indictment, which would then automatically lead to a Bernie Sanders nomination and Bernie destroying Trump by 8 points in the general election.
On CNN, Lt. General Michael Flynn stated that Hillary Clinton should "drop out" of the presidential race and states "If it were me, I would have been out the door and probably in jail." I mentioned Lt. General Flynn's views on the FBI investigation during my latest CNN appearance.
In regards to the unique aspects of the FBI's email investigation, POLITIFACT states "Although some former secretaries of state occasionally used personal emails for official business, Clinton is the only one who never once used an @state.gov email address in the era of email."
Thus, asking why she's the only Secretary of State who refused to use an @state.gov email address is not only relevant, but vital to understanding the severity of the FBI's investigation. As Dan Metcalfe states in POLITICO, "Hillary's Email Defense Is Laughable...I should know--I ran FOIA for the U.S. government."
Saying others did worse also can't explain the fact 100 FBI agents have worked on the case, especially since there's never been a presidential candidate in American history linked to an ongoing FBI investigation.
Yes, there are unique aspects of this story, and no amount of spin can erase the facts, or the reality that the FBI could call for the indictment of Hillary Clinton in early May.
Therefore, what were the reasons Clinton needed to act in such a manner?
Most likely, Brian Pagliano knows why Hillary Clinton needed to circumvent government networks, and I explained in a recent article why Pagliano's immunity is so important to this election.
Ultimately, if there was any reason other than convenience, then some laws were broken, because political containment and utility can't justify putting classified information on a private server. Retroactive classification is irrelevant; try putting a retroactively classified document, or a Top Secret document, on your computer and see what happens.
In all sincerity, if Hillary supporters at The Daily Beast and Daily Banter can enlighten us, that would be greatly appreciated. Any thoughts on why Hillary needed to circumvent government networks?
Former Defense Secretary Robert Gates believes "the odds are pretty high" that Iran, China, or Russia may have hacked Clinton's server.
Edward Snowden says it's "ridiculous" to believe Clinton's emails were safe. In fact, the latest spin about security logs ignores the fact that these logs could have been tampered with, or the fact that hackers could have hacked into Clinton's server without any record on these logs.
Hackers already tried to break into Clinton's private network, as stated in a POLITICO piece last year titled Clinton server faced hacking from China, South Korea and Germany:
Hillary Clinton's private email server containing tens of thousands of messages from her tenure as secretary of state -- including more than 400 now considered classified -- was the subject of hacking attempts from China, South Korea and Germany...
In addition, Russia-linked hackers tried to access Clinton's emails five times. Also, Computer World states Hillary Clinton's email system was insecure for two months.
Regarding the over-classification spin by the Clinton campaign, there are 22 "Top Secret" emails nobody can see, and they're classified correctly. Most importantly, many of Clinton's emails were "born classified," or classified from the start, as stated by the Reuters:
This sort of information, which the department says Clinton both sent and received in her emails, is the only kind that must be "presumed" classified, in part to protect national security and the integrity of diplomatic interactions, according to U.S. regulations examined by Reuters.
"It's born classified," said J. William Leonard, a former director of the U.S. government's Information Security Oversight Office (ISOO). Leonard was director of ISOO, part of the National Archives and Records Administration...
Sorry, can't use over-classification as an excuse. There was intelligence on Clinton's server that should never have been on the server in the first place.
Then, of course, there's the issue of cloud servers. Even the employees at the firms storing Clinton's information on cloud networks "feared a cover-up."
Regarding this controversy, it would be perfectly fine for Bernie Sanders to bring up the FBI investigation in future debates, although he's refrained from doing so thus far. To say that Hillary Clinton would make an FBI investigation associated with Bernie Sanders an issue, would be the understatement of the century.
In 2008, Hillary Clinton was a "Pro-Gun Churchgoer" who called Barack Obama "elitist and out of touch." Regarding Clinton's 3 a. m. ad against Obama, Harvard's Orlando Patterson wrote in The New York Times that it contained a "racist sub-message" and "the ad, in the insidious language of symbolism, says that Mr. Obama is himself the danger, the outsider within." Also in 2008, ColorofChange.org president James Rucker stated "Senator Clinton's race-baiting must end today...She is sowing division and making the outrageous claim that white voters won't vote for a black candidate."
In fact, I mentioned Mr. Rucker's brilliant Huffington Post article during my interview on CNN New Day with Victor Blackwell.
Finally, while Bernie might not ask Clinton why she had the server, the answer will make him president. Hillary Clinton was the only Secretary of State since the invention of email never to use a State.gov email address, and the reasons why she used a private server exclusively will lead to Bernie Sanders winning the Democratic nomination, and destroying Donald Trump in the general election.
In May, get ready for the media pundits and Hillary supporters to make the case for rallying around Hillary Clinton, despite indictments by the Justice Department. However, they'll have to answer the question I ask in my latest YouTube segment. If you can't answer that question without doubting Hillary Clinton's judgement or wisdom, then vote for Bernie Sanders in 2016.
U jednom tekstu se kaže da nema šanse da bude optužena, u drugom da optužnica samo što nije.
Rekao bih da se u oba slučaja radi o špekulacijama, jer niko ne zna šta tačno FBI radi niti kakve su dokaze i za šta prikupili.
U međuvremenu, Berni je ušao u istoriju, i to istoriju istraživanja javnog mnjenja. Naime, pobijedio je u Mičigenu, uprkos predviđanjima istraživanja da Hilari ima prednost od 12 do 20 %. Tolika greška u predviđanju rezultata se nikada ranije nije dogodila u Americi.
Ne računajući superdelegate, Klintonovka ima i dalje prednost od oko 200 delegata. Ali ako Berni uspije da pobijedi u nekoliko velikih država, ta prednost će se istopiti. A superdelegati se možda i predomisle do jula, u zavisnosti od rezultata. Dešavalo se to i ranije. Kome nije jasno, evo citat iz Wiki:
"Superdelegates are elected officials and members of the Democratic National Committee who will vote at the Democratic National Convention (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Democratic_National_Convention) for their preferred candidate.Also known as "unpledged delegates," they may change their preference at any time and comprise about one sixth of the delegates to the convention."
Stvar je u tome što veliki broj superdelegata dolazi iz zajednica koje su takođe glasale u unutarstranačkim izborima i što će veliki broj njih opet nastupati na izborima. I sad je teško zamisliti da će glasati za predsjednika suprotno onome za šta je glasala većina partije iz njihove zajednice, jer je sasvim moguće da to bude kažnjeno na prvim sljedećim izborima. Istina je da i određeni broj superdelegata ne zavisi ni na koji način od glasača na izborima, ali je u pitanju ipak manjina.
Ako Klintonovka ipak uspije da naniže nekoliko velikih pobjeda, a naročito u velikim državama tipa Ilionois i Florida (glasa se 15. marta), gotovo je, pobijediće.
Sv nešto mislim da se to neće desiti. Inercija i energija je na Bernijevoj strani. Tokom cijele godine on je privlačio nove glasače. Ona je uspijevala samo da ih gubi.
Kod Republikanaca haos. Marko Rubio na ivici ponora. Sa svih strana mu stižu savjeti da se povuče iz trke i spašava karijeru, jer bi mu dalja bruka, a naročito na Floridi koja mu je matična država zapečatila budućnost. Tramp dobija nešto manje glasova nego ranije, ali nije previse oštećen. Kruz je uspio da pobijedu u još par država. Problem sa Kruzom je, naravno, što je veći konzervativac od Trampa i što nema ni teoretsku šansu da pobijedi na izborima za predsjednika. On ima svoj krug tvrdokornih podržavalaca, ali nema teorije da privuče nezavisne glasače, pa čak ni dobar broj Republikanaca.
Međutim... Ako se trend iz prethodne nedjelje nastavi, Tramp neće dobiti potrebnu većinu. Što void u otvorenu konvenciju. Nakon prvog kruga glasanja, u kojem nijedan od kandidata ne ostvari dovoljnu podršku, svima je dozvoljeno da trguju, mijenjaju mišljenje itd. Što znači da odjednom Džon Kejsik postaje relevantan kandidat. Pogotovo ako uspije da pobijedi u Ohaju, svojoj matičnoj državi (a hoće) i napabirči kojeg delegata tamo i ovamo. Jer on ostaje jedini iza kojeg je establišment spreman da stane u takvom scenariju.
Ali ako Kejsik ostane što ne bi i Rubio?
Iz istog razloga iz kog je Jeb! otpao. Naime, uprkos podrsci iz centrale stranke i ogromnim sredstvima upumpanim u njegovu kampanju jos nije pobjedio ni u jednoj drzavi, nego uporno zavrsava kao 3. i 4. Odnosno, vec ima oreol "gubitnika". On je od samog pocetka bio favorit "centrale". Naravno, ako ostane u trci do konvencije i on ima sanse. Kejsikove ambicije su bile daleko manje, kao i podrska koju je primio.
Odlična analiza situacije kod Demokrata:
5 Reasons the Clinton-Sanders Race Is Much, Much Closer Than You Think (http://http://www.huffingtonpost.com/seth-abramson/5-reasons-the-clinton-sanders-race-is-much-much-closer-than-you-think_b_9415156.html)
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To watch cable news, one would think that Bernie Sanders is still in the Democratic primary race simply to send a message to Washington, be a thorn in Hillary Clinton's side, play trainer to her Rocky, or some combination of all of these. Bogus super-delegate totals have been presented to the public as though these were votes either of the two candidates can count upon -- the mass exodus of super-delegates away from Hillary Clinton in the early summer of 2008 notwithstanding.
The reality, of course, is far more complicated. It suggests a close and tightening race between Clinton and Sanders that has every bit as much drama about who will finally win it as does the Republican nominating process. With that in mind, here are five reasons the Clinton-Sanders race remains must-watch television:
1. Hillary Clinton will not be permitted to win the Democratic nomination using super-delegates.
To test this assertion, imagine for a moment that the Democratic National Convention arrives and Bernie Sanders has a narrow lead in pledged delegates -- the delegates sent to the convention in Cleveland by Democratic voters rather than by the whim of party elders. What would happen in this scenario?
First, the national media would feature wall-to-wall coverage of Clinton "losing" the national vote for the nomination to Sanders; splash headlines on television and in print would announce Sanders as the clear winner of a majority of Democratic voters.
Second, some portion of Clinton's delegates would abandon her on principle, that principle being that super-delegates should cast their convention ballot for whoever won the pledged delegate battle during primary season -- and yes, some super-delegates do believe this. Third, Democratic elders would be forced to acknowledge, as many already do, that if the loser of the pledged delegate battle is named the winner of the Democratic nomination, the Democrats will without question lose the general election in November.
In this scenario the Democrats would lose in November because disaffected Sanders voters would either stay home on Election Day, vote for a third-party candidate, or cast a general-election ballot but leave the presidential-election portion of the ballot blank. This would be devastating to Clinton because Sanders voters are precisely the purple-state and independent voters any candidate for President will desperately need on Election Day.
Let's understand, too, what would have had to happen for Clinton to lose the pledged delegate battle to Sanders. It would mean that Sanders had earned about 60% of the vote in the final twenty-eight primaries, giving him such enormous momentum going into the convention that the idea of giving Clinton the victory via unelected, cigar-chomping politicos would seem positively deranged. Moreover, because Sanders would have beaten or tied Clinton in nearly every blue and purple state in America, super-delegates in close elections in these states would be particularly disinclined to anger the very electorate they'll rely on for re-election. This is where Clinton running strongest in light-red and deep-red states will really hurt her.
As if the above weren't enough, let's also understand that the most powerful Democrats in the Democratic Party, Debbie Wasserman Schultz and Nancy Pelosi, have all but said that super-delegates are not intended to be used to make a losing candidate into a winning candidate. This is precisely why the Democratic National Committee ordered the news media to stop tallying super-delegates prior to the Democratic National Convention, the first time these delegates are actually called upon to cast a ballot -- a demand that was inexplicably ignored.
Finally, let's remember that as things stand today, Sanders runs far better against Trump than Clinton in nine of the ten light-red, blue, and purple states in which head-to-head general-election polling is available. Now imagine that Sanders has pulled 60% of the vote in the final twenty-eight primaries; will any super-delegate in America feel any confidence whatsoever that Clinton could beat Trump under such circumstances?
In other words, while Clinton may or may not win the Democratic nomination for President, she undoubtedly will not do so using super-delegates. So you can safely ignore the super-delegate count and any pundit who references it portentously.
2. Hillary has already reached her high-water mark, and is only 14% above the delegate target she needs to hit to win the nomination.
Bluntly, Clinton has only won Southern states with demographics that are absent from nearly all future primaries and caucuses. Sounds far-fetched? Let's analyze it.
If you look at the Democratic primary map as it stands today, Clinton has won only three states that did not secede from the Union during the Civil War. Those three "wins" are Iowa, Massachusetts, and Nevada. While Clinton and Sanders more or less split the delegates in all three states -- the exact total is 89 delegates for Clinton, 81 for Sanders, an 8-point differential which, in the context of both candidates needing 2,026 pledged delegates to win the pledged delegate battle, is statistically insignificant -- all three states were effectively "won" by Sanders.
How so? Well, Sanders was down by 46 points in Nevada two full months after he declared his candidacy for President; by 23 points eight weeks before the Nevada caucuses; and he ultimately lost by just 5.5%, leading most commentators to say that if he'd had one more week to speak with Nevadan Democrats, he would have won a majority of their votes. Nothing about Clinton's victory in Nevada bespeaks her strength as a candidate; rather, it emphasizes only that name recognition and slightly superior financial, surrogate, and infrastructural assets is worth at least 5.5 points in a contested caucus.
The margins between Clinton and Sanders in Massachusetts (1.4%) and Iowa (0.2%) were so small as to render both elections a statistical toss-up; by comparison, Sanders' victory in Michigan, which was termed "exceedingly narrow" by every political pundit with access to a microphone, was by about 2%. But more importantly, in these cases, as in Nevada, Sanders so outperformed the polling that preceded the vote that it was clear that additional exposure to the Senator would have given him each of these two states, just as additional exposure to Secretary Clinton would have cost her both of them.
Which leaves the South. There are eleven Southern states; nine -- not coincidentally, the nine the Democrats have no chance of winning this November or in any general election in the next twenty years -- have already voted for Clinton, often by huge margins. Two Southern states still have to vote, and (again not coincidentally) these are Sanders' two strongest states in the region, which means that even if Clinton wins her delegate advantage will be nothing like it was in places like Mississippi and Alabama. The most recent polling in North Carolina has Sanders down by only 10, though this was before his wins in Kansas, Nebraska, Maine, and Michigan. The most recent polling in Florida is less kind, though according to CNN, Sanders' internal polling -- which has proven to be uncannily accurate -- suggests that the race there is in the "high single-digits." In other words, Sanders could win at least one of these two states, and will probably do all right in the delegate math no matter what happens.
In virtually every other state left to vote -- twenty-eight states, to be exact -- the demographics are substantially more favorable for Sanders than they were in even the "friendliest" state for him in the South (Virginia). Perhaps this is why he's leading in the most recent polls in Wisconsin, Utah, and Idaho, and after securing the endorsement of the most popular politician in Hawaii, Tulsi Gabbard, is favored to win there too. This may be why even the Clinton boosters on CNN are now saying that they're worried Clinton will lose Ohio, Illinois, and Missouri to Sanders next week.
In other words, Hillary performed impressively only in the South, and in less than a week there will be no more South for her to mine for votes.
3. Hillary can no longer rely on the "electability" argument, as Sanders runs much better than she does against Trump pretty much everywhere.
In the ten light-red, blue, or purple states where head-to-head general-election polling is available, Sanders outperforms Clinton against Trump in nine: Georgia, Michigan, Iowa, Minnesota, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Ohio, Virginia, and Wisconsin. Clinton outperforms Sanders in only Florida, where her 1% advantage on the Senator is dwarfed by that poll's 3.1% margin of error.
In short, it's entirely possible that Clinton is a better candidate against the all-but-certain Republican nominee precisely nowhere. Which means her "electability" argument, always the implicit centerpiece of her campaign, is gone. This will hurt her, as time goes on, with not just voters and pundits but super-delegates as well.
4. Hillary could still get burned by the email "scandal."
The fact that the man who Hillary let into her house to set up her email server just got immunity from prosecution in order to compel him to testify against someone higher up the food chain may not mean that Clinton will shortly be indicted for a federal felony. But what it does do is prolong this story well into the general-election season, which can't help but hurt Hillary in the Democratic primaries and caucuses to come. We can argue all day about whether this is fair or not, but it remains a reality either way -- and indeed a situation Clinton herself is only exacerbating by doing dodgy things on the campaign trail, like lying about Sanders' auto bailout vote, refusing to release her speeches to Wall Street tycoons, and calling into question the authenticity of photographic and video evidence of Sanders fighting for civil rights in the 1960s.
If someone close to Clinton does get indicted -- say, an aide -- it will be much more of a distraction than anyone in or outside the Clinton camp is presently assuming. To be blunt, there will be wall-to-wall news coverage of any indictment even tangentially related to Clinton, so if one comes down in April, May, or June it will hurt Hillary in any primaries or caucuses held during those months. While we can't know for certain the likelihood of an indictment being issued, I can say as an attorney that federal prosecutors do not give low-level targets immunity unless someone is being indicted.
5. It's much earlier in the nominating process than news media coverage of the Democratic primaries would lead you to believe.
Right now Hillary has only 28.4% of the pledged delegates she needs (677 of 2,378) to win the Democratic presidential nomination. Twenty-eight states still have to vote, and nearly all of these rank among the worst twenty-eight states for Clinton from a demographic standpoint. Sanders, with 478 pledged delegates, is only 14% off his delegate target -- that is, where he'd need to be at the present moment if he were "on track" to win the Democratic nomination -- and can breathe a sigh of relief that all ten of the worst states for him demographically are behind him.
To put things in perspective, we're still three months -- yes, a quarter of a year -- from the most important primary in the Democratic nominating season (California). In fact, June 7th is as Super a Tuesday as any other we've experienced so far, with six states going to the polls. Those six states account for more than 800 delegates in total; so more than a third of all the delegates one needs to win the Democratic nomination will be awarded three months from now.
A lot can happen in three months, a fact that seems impossible to dispute when you consider that, thus far, Americans have only been voting in primaries for five weeks. In five weeks, Sanders went from a curiosity sharing a stage with the likes of Lincoln Chafee and Jim Webb to a legitimate contender for the Democratic nomination who's already won nine states. So yes, this thing is close -- very close.
Tonight Was the Night the Republican Establishment Gave Up (http://news.yahoo.com/tonight-night-republican-establishment-gave-040400842.html)
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#NeverTrump (http://theresurgent.com/the-importance-of-disclosing-this-immediately/)? More like #NeverMind.
The Republican establishment all but capitulated to Donald Trump on Thursday night, treating the party's frontrunner with kid gloves in the most subdued debate yet of the 2016 primary season.>Read more: Everything You Missed From the GOP Debate in Miami (http://mic.com/articles/137644/everything-you-missed-from-the-gop-debate-in-miami#.tzTlhoBiQ)
Gone were the unsparing attacks on the billionaire real estate tycoon's business record, his character and even his credibility as a conservative. Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio and John Kasich instead tread carefully around Trump, gently prodding him at times but avoiding a scorched-earth approach against the man who remains overwhelmingly likely to be the party's nominee in the fall.
A man in charge: With a commanding lead in the (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/republican_delegate_count.html)delegate count (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/republican_delegate_count.html) and a decent chance of effectively securing the GOP nomination after next Tuesday's delegate-rich nominating contests, Trump needed only to avoid a disastrous performance. Accordingly, he adopted a low-risk approach, steering clear on the vehement attacks he's waged on rivals like Cruz, Rubio and the departed Jeb Bush in previous debates.
Trump's mission on Thursday night: To present himself as a credible standard-bearer who could unite the party's disparate factions, despite his penchant for incendiary rhetoric and relentless counterpunching.
"We're all in this together," Trump said. "We're going to come up with solutions. We're going to find the answers to things. And so far, I cannot believe how civil it's been up here."
Trump seemed to be enjoying himself — and it wasn't hard to see why.
Not biting the bait: After aggressively attacking (http://mic.com/articles/136313/let-s-get-real-marco-rubio-s-sharpened-attacks-on-donald-trump-are-too-little-too-late#.QqyUI8X6m) Trump in recent weeks on everything from the size of his hands (http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/donald-trump-has-small-hands-marco-rubio-says-n527791) to his family inheritance (http://mic.com/articles/136312/marco-rubio-and-donald-trump-drop-the-gloves-in-houston-gop-debate#.K9CAYD9AW), Rubio mostly stood down on Thursday night, following a string of dismal performances at the ballot box.
Even when Rubio did ding Trump, he did so in a largely mild tone. On entitlement programs, Rubio said, Trump's "numbers don't add up."
Cruz also went after Trump on the issue, noting similarities between Trump's rhetoric on Social Security, which the businessman vows to protect, and that of Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton.
But asked whether he'd just compared Trump and Clinton, Cruz would only say, "I will let Donald speak for himself."
Later in the debate, Cruz did criticize Trump for his past contributions to Democrats — hardly a new line of attack, and one that appears well baked into Republican voters' assessment of Trump.
Not all hands-off: Notably, the sharpest attacks on Trump concerned his harsh rhetoric toward American Muslims and his stance on foreign policy — neither likely to damage Trump with voters, in light of exit poll data showing strong support for his proposed ban on foreign Muslims entering the country, and given that anger at the domestic political establishment is the defining theme of the topsy-turvy 2016 primary.
On Islam, Trump "says the things people want to say," Rubio said. "But presidents can't just say anything they want. It has consequences around the world."
The senator went on to call for working "together with people of the Muslim faith even as Islam faces a serious crisis within it."
Meanwhile, Cruz chided Trump for stating (http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/269806-trump-ill-be-neutral-on-israel-and-palestine) in February that he'd be "neutral" on the Israel-Palestine conflict — but after Trump asserted his staunch support for Israel, Cruz suggested that perhaps Trump's support for a peace deal wasn't "inten[ded]" to be anti-Israel, but that it was in practice.
Cruz also ridiculed Trump's foreign policy as amounting to chants of "China bad, Muslim bad." And later in the debate, he asserted that Trump's nomination would mean victory for Clinton — a sharp departure from the delicate tip-toeing that defined the bulk of the debate.
The road from here: Though the odds of vanquishing Trump are vanishingly small after his strong wins in Michigan, Mississippi and Hawaii this week, Cruz remains the only viable threat to Trump still in the race, with a win in Florida next week looking (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/fl/florida_republican_presidential_primary-3555.html) out of Rubio's reach and Kasich with no clear path even if he wins the Ohio primary on Tuesday.
Establishmentarians who fear Trump, then, are left to deal with the awkward reality that their best shot at dislodging him is to prop up a man who rails against his party's leaders as liars (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/07/ted-cruz-mitch-mcconnell-donald-trump-liar-senate/399590/) and has earned the enmity of his fellow GOP senators.
Basic mathematics essentially foreclosed any other option, but Rubio and Kasich did nothing to change that dynamic on Thursday.
Rejčel Madou kaže da će republikanska partija preživeti Trampa, jer se ovo već desilo 1964.:
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/the-republican-party-may-just-survive-trump-641001027891 (http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/the-republican-party-may-just-survive-trump-641001027891)
Obe partije hoce da ga se rese, mora da radi nesto kako treba :evil:
Bernie Sanders Said Something We Weren't Ready to Hear Last Night (https://www.yahoo.com/celebrity/bernie-sanders-said-something-werent-155024907.html)
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Well, at least I lived long enough to hear a presidential candidate from one of the major parties refer to "the so-called Monroe Doctrine."
It came during the most interesting passage in the debate Wednesday night between Bernie Sanders and Hillary Rodham Clinton. Sanders was asked if he regretted having once supported the Sandinista revolution in Nicaragua and having once paid some compliments to the Castro regime in Cuba. Well, let me just answer that. What that was about was saying that the United States was wrong to try to invade Cuba, that the United States was wrong trying to support people to overthrow the Nicaraguan government, that the United States was wrong trying to overthrow in 1954, the government-democratically elected government of Guatemala. Throughout the history of our relationship with Latin America we've operated under the so-called Monroe Doctrine, and that said the United States had the right do anything that they wanted to do in Latin America. So I actually went to Nicaragua and I very shortly opposed the Reagan administration's efforts to overthrow that government. And I strongly opposed earlier Henry Kissinger and the-to overthrow the government of Salvador Allende in Chile. I think the United States should be working with governments around the world, not get involved in regime change. And all of these actions, by the way, in Latin America, brought forth a lot of very strong anti-American sentiments. That's what that was about.
A few minutes later, as an addendum to an answer about her solution to Puerto Rico's crippling economic crisis, HRC pounced and pandered. And I just want to add one thing to the question you were asking Senator Sanders. I think in that same interview, he praised what he called the revolution of values in Cuba and talked about how people were working for the common good, not for themselves. I just couldn't disagree more. You know, if the values are that you oppress people, you disappear people, you imprison people or even kill people for expressing their opinions, for expressing freedom of speech, that is not the kind of revolution of values that I ever want to see anywhere.
OK, I wanted to yell, "What about the Saudis/Chinese?" at my TV, too, and it did occur to me that HRC might want to ask her lunch buddy Henry Kissinger about his human-rights record some time. But what most struck me is the depth of the denial still about the profound costs of U.S. intervention in the affairs of our closest neighbors, and our easiest proxies, in the various Great Games. The Monroe Doctrine might have made sense when England, France, Spain, and even Portugal still had imperial ambitions. But that was a very limited space in time. By the mid-1800's, the Monroe Doctrine, and the philosophy behind it, was an excuse for land-grabbing. As one prominent American politician once put it, "Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up, and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable-a most sacred right-a right, which we hope and believe, is to liberate the world. Nor is this right confined to cases in which the whole people of an existing government may choose to exercise it. Any portion of such people that can, may revolutionize, and make their own, of so much of the territory as they inhabit. More than this, a majority of any portion of such people may revolutionize, putting down a minority, intermingled with, or near about them, who may oppose their movement. Such a minority was precisely the case of the Tories of our own revolution. It is a quality of revolutions not to go by old lines, or old laws; but to break up both, and make new ones."
Of course, as we know, those remarks cost that Lincoln rube his seat in the House and ended his political career.
The 20th century was even worse. We insistently meddled in Cuba throughout it, even though our meddling came dangerously close to blowing up the entire world. Within our own hemisphere, we backed dictator after dictator, oligarch after oligarch. We armed terrorists. We financed coups. We allowed bombings and drug smuggling. We sold missiles to the mullahs in order to finance our terrorists. Somoza. Pincochet. Batista. Rios-Montt. To paraphrase John Quincy Adams, we did not go far abroad to find monsters to support.These are just some of the people who did not live long enough to rebut HRC's presumption of American innocence:
The 68 passengers of Cubana Airlines Flight 455 (https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Cubana-5Fde-5FAviaci-25C3-25B3n-5FFlight-5F455&d=CwMFaQ&c=B73tqXN8Ec0ocRmZHMCntw&r=C0G6Ae5N6o-49Sr-4B0ssYoInBjTRIEXRRb2OslIKxo&m=OLFT4golUPnfZqJ9dR5VDhdordJVz8tucK4eQvQOZa4&s=F2QVQOFiEntcvq7NWCX_16dnl9Zwp06715_7-WTSyFI&e=).
(But one of the architects of this atrocity, Orlando Bosch, died in a nice bed in Miami thanks to the intervention of influential Americans, including Congresswoman Ileana Ros-Lehtinen and Jeb -!- Bush.)
The 900 citizens of El Mozote, El Salvador (https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_El-5FMozote-5Fmassacre&d=CwMFaQ&c=B73tqXN8Ec0ocRmZHMCntw&r=C0G6Ae5N6o-49Sr-4B0ssYoInBjTRIEXRRb2OslIKxo&m=OLFT4golUPnfZqJ9dR5VDhdordJVz8tucK4eQvQOZa4&s=PmVALXwmOJx6GZkCcczpK_1UGiShlmYm5urbepXULOk&e=).
(But one of the architects of the cover-up, the unspeakable Elliott Abrams (https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.motherjones.com_mojo_2012_12_elliott-2Dabrams-2Dmassacre-2Ddenialist-2Dhailed-2Dstatesman&d=CwMFaQ&c=B73tqXN8Ec0ocRmZHMCntw&r=C0G6Ae5N6o-49Sr-4B0ssYoInBjTRIEXRRb2OslIKxo&m=OLFT4golUPnfZqJ9dR5VDhdordJVz8tucK4eQvQOZa4&s=VNDCWntF30oNJvytA8aiHqk-8aZYBNxMdxaX_dlBYok&e=), now has a cushy gig advising Young Marco Rubio's crumbling presidential campaign.)
Maura Clarke, Ita Ford, Dorothy Kazel, and Jean Donovan (https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.thedailybeast.com_articles_2014_11_09_bringing-2Del-2Dsalavador-2Dnun-2Dkillers-2Dto-2Djustice.html&d=CwMFaQ&c=B73tqXN8Ec0ocRmZHMCntw&r=C0G6Ae5N6o-49Sr-4B0ssYoInBjTRIEXRRb2OslIKxo&m=OLFT4golUPnfZqJ9dR5VDhdordJVz8tucK4eQvQOZa4&s=qF1w8oIVFxEElgQvCNrg8mEQo6d3DrC8fTostGYnz-U&e=), slaughtered by the US-backed Salvadoran national guard.
(But one of the architects of that cover-up, the late Jeane Kirkpatrick, received the Presidential Medal of Freedom from President Ronald Reagan.)
Orlando Letelier and Ronni Moffitt (https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__nsarchive.gwu.edu_NSAEBB_NSAEBB199_&d=CwMFaQ&c=B73tqXN8Ec0ocRmZHMCntw&r=C0G6Ae5N6o-49Sr-4B0ssYoInBjTRIEXRRb2OslIKxo&m=OLFT4golUPnfZqJ9dR5VDhdordJVz8tucK4eQvQOZa4&s=T5mM8dqSTF8Ae_PfmQc7PSwCk13qRVwrXvSLKs_dtqE&e=).
(Pinochet, of course, died under "house arrest." And the boss of his Caravan of Death went straight to the depths of hell (https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.bbc.com_news_world-2Dlatin-2Damerica-2D35768069&d=CwMFaQ&c=B73tqXN8Ec0ocRmZHMCntw&r=C0G6Ae5N6o-49Sr-4B0ssYoInBjTRIEXRRb2OslIKxo&m=OLFT4golUPnfZqJ9dR5VDhdordJVz8tucK4eQvQOZa4&s=5eUMFIsYYl4SVO8P-mTjeqCof6c6gn7jfP6dJZSPVlY&e=) in a nursing home on Wednesday.)
Eight Jesuit priests and their housekeeper and her son (https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.wsj.com_articles_allies-2Dbeware-2Dthe-2Du-2Ds-2Dis-2Da-2Dfair-2Dweather-2Dfriend-2D1433285681&d=CwMFaQ&c=B73tqXN8Ec0ocRmZHMCntw&r=C0G6Ae5N6o-49Sr-4B0ssYoInBjTRIEXRRb2OslIKxo&m=OLFT4golUPnfZqJ9dR5VDhdordJVz8tucK4eQvQOZa4&s=V3hF88cPZowbAqdEtFk18uBQP_KnOm0ZDISGqv3bals&e=), gunned to ribbons in El Salvador.
(Abrams, again) (https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.wsj.com_articles_allies-2Dbeware-2Dthe-2Du-2Ds-2Dis-2Da-2Dfair-2Dweather-2Dfriend-2D1433285681&d=CwMFaQ&c=B73tqXN8Ec0ocRmZHMCntw&r=C0G6Ae5N6o-49Sr-4B0ssYoInBjTRIEXRRb2OslIKxo&m=OLFT4golUPnfZqJ9dR5VDhdordJVz8tucK4eQvQOZa4&s=V3hF88cPZowbAqdEtFk18uBQP_KnOm0ZDISGqv3bals&e=)
Blessed Oscar Romero (https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.catholicherald.co.uk_news_2015_05_25_francis-2Dbeatification-2Dof-2Doscar-2Dromero-2Dis-2Da-2Dcause-2Dfor-2Dgreat-2Djoy_&d=CwMFaQ&c=B73tqXN8Ec0ocRmZHMCntw&r=C0G6Ae5N6o-49Sr-4B0ssYoInBjTRIEXRRb2OslIKxo&m=OLFT4golUPnfZqJ9dR5VDhdordJVz8tucK4eQvQOZa4&s=2Lyr0yBqJFhU1zrc-UozFxs9viWgdCBPXfBNlWy6px0&e=).
(But Roberto DeAubisson, the American-trained death-squad jefe who ordered the assassination, lived to die of cancer in what I am sure was a very nice hospital. He was a beloved figure (https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__newrepublic.com_article_120973_pope-2Dfrancis-2Ddeclares-2Doscar-2Dromero-2Dmartyr-2Dembarrassing-2Dreaganites&d=CwMFaQ&c=B73tqXN8Ec0ocRmZHMCntw&r=C0G6Ae5N6o-49Sr-4B0ssYoInBjTRIEXRRb2OslIKxo&m=OLFT4golUPnfZqJ9dR5VDhdordJVz8tucK4eQvQOZa4&s=-A63I5QO29683Z17cj_rpHXz9nLgRZXHYMyrWjRyAWI&e=) among the Reagan foreign policy elite, until he became inconvenient and, yeah, Abrams again.)
This is only a partial list, of course. It doesn't include the thousands of Salvadorans, Guatemalans, Nicaraguans, Hondurans, and citizens of other countries who got caught in the gears of the so-called Monroe Doctrine down through the centuries. (Hola,Vera Cruz (https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.nytimes.com_2014_04_21_opinion_krauze-2Dthe-2Dapril-2Dinvasion-2Dof-2Dveracruz.html&d=CwMFaQ&c=B73tqXN8Ec0ocRmZHMCntw&r=C0G6Ae5N6o-49Sr-4B0ssYoInBjTRIEXRRb2OslIKxo&m=OLFT4golUPnfZqJ9dR5VDhdordJVz8tucK4eQvQOZa4&s=RNr5Fr1Aopjxk4H_OXe1tqxjmd9aKoS3_A43TwVkzb4&e=)!) The pundits are right that Sanders' statements back in the 1980s are fertile ground for conservative ratfcking-look how easy it was for HRC to turn them around on him-and likely would be used to make a meal out of him in a general election. The biggest problem that Sanders has here, though, is that he told a truth that we're still not prepared to hear. That Elliott Abrams has not been fitted with a leper's bell yet is proof enough of that.
Trump's new normal: campaign rallies where chaos is expected (http://news.yahoo.com/secret-briefly-surrounds-trump-dayton-rally-183538461--election.html#)
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CLEVELAND (AP) -- Hundreds of police officers, Secret Service agents and private security guards in cars, on foot and on horseback blanketed the area around Donald Trump's campaign rally Saturday afternoon. Dozens of protesters would soon be ejected from the event.
And that was the calmest rally in the past several days thrown by the front-runner for the Republican presidential nomination.
Welcome to Trump's new normal.
After months spent goading protesters and appearing to encourage violence, Trump has seen his raucous rallies devolve over the past two weeks into events at which chaos is expected. The real estate mogul is routinely unable to deliver a speech without interruption, and a heavy security presence is commonplace amid increasingly violent clashes between protesters and supporters.
On Friday, groupings of well-organized students succeeded in keeping Trump from even taking the stage at a rally in Chicago. The next morning, a protester rushed the stage at a Trump rally outside of Dayton, forcing Secret Service agents to leap on stage and form a protective circle around him.
"Frankly, I'm a little shocked that we got to this point, I'm shocked at it," said Ohio Gov. John Kasich, who is vying with Trump to win his home state's winner-take-all primary on Tuesday.
"We cannot create in this country a toxic environment where images of people slugging it out at a campaign rally, think about it, are transmitted all over the globe," he said.
Trump's events have always been intense. For months, he incorporated interruptions by protesters into his speeches, growling "Get 'em out!" — sparking explosive cheers from the audiences as he did so.
While Trump sometimes appears angered by the disruptions, he has also embraced them, using the interruptions as opportunities to lead his supporters in chants of "USA, USA." He's also joked about how the protesters force TV cameras to pan out over the crowd and show how large they are.
But the confrontations began to escalate this month, most notably at a Trump event in New Orleans. A steady stream of demonstrators interrupted Trump's speech, including a huddle of Black Lives Matter activists, who locked arms and challenged security officials to remove them.
There were skirmishes throughout the speech, mostly pushing and shoving, although one man was captured on video biting someone.
This week, an older white Trump supporter was caught on video punching a younger African-American protester as police led the protester out of a rally in North Carolina. The supporter, later charged with assault, told an interviewer the next time he confronted a protester, "We might have to kill him."
Two days later, police arrested nearly three dozen people at a rally in St. Louis that was interrupted so many times by protesters that Trump joked about how long it was taking him to complete his remarks.
Hours before Trump was scheduled to appear Friday night at the University of Illinois at Chicago, the atmosphere inside a campus arena was crackling as protesters and supporters shouted back and forth, arms raised and yelling in each other's faces.
Some of the protesters, many of whom said they supported Democratic candidate Bernie Sanders, said they planned to rush the stage when Trump came out to speak. They didn't get the chance, as Trump called off the rally before even getting to the venue.
"It feels amazing, everybody came together," said Kamran Siddiqui, 20, and a student at the school. "That's what people can do. Now people got to go out and vote because we have the opportunity to stop Trump."
The next morning, Trump was mid-speech when a man, later identified by authorities as Thomas Dimassimo of Fairborn, Ohio, jumped a barricade and rushed at Trump. He was able to touch the stage before he was tackled by security officials.
Trump initially laughed it off, but later in the day, said Dimassimo had ties to the Islamic State. Experts who watched a video Trump tweeted as evidence called the allegation "utterly farcical."
"Trump's accusations about it being linked to ISIS serve only to underline the totality of his ignorance on this issue," said Charles Lister, a fellow at the Middle East Institute.
At the Cleveland rally, more than a dozen officers on horseback patrolled the outside as police helicopters buzzed overhead. Hundreds of officers massed inside to block some exits and sweep the audience out after the event ended. Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump speaks at a campaign rally at the I-X Center Saturda ...More than 50 protesters, including a pair of doctors who removed sweat shirts to reveal white T-shirts printed with "Muslim Doctors Save Lives in Cleveland," were told to leave.
Things weren't much different at Trump's evening rally in Kansas City, Missouri, where protesters interrupted the candidate throughout his speech. While he asked his supporters not to hurt them, a visibly annoyed Trump also said he was "going to start pressing charges against all these people."
Back in Cleveland, Brandon Krapes said he was punched repeatedly after he held up his sign, which said, "Trump: Making America Racist Again." His 17-year-old son Logan had a freshly bruised cheek from what he said was a punch in the face he received while trying to help his father.
"The sheer amount of hatred in there is so blatant, and Trump does nothing to stop it," said Sean Khurana, a 23-year-old Cuyahoga Community College student, who is Indian-American. He said someone called him "ISIS" as he stood in line. "He provokes it."
Trump, meanwhile, celebrated a successful campaign day on Twitter.
"Just finished my second speech," he wrote. "20K in Dayton & 25K in Cleveland- perfectly behaved crowd. Thanks- I love you, Ohio!"
Plus ovo, Amerikanci u potpuno crtanofilmovskom shvatanju istorije i njenih figura. Ko bi
to očekivao? Oh, čekajte (https://youtu.be/jI9QzNVJK1s)...
Trump supporter explains what led to '
Heil, Hitler' salute at canceled Chicago rally (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-birgitt-peterson-trump-rally-met-0313-20160312-story.html)
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A 69-year-old Yorkville woman and her husband are defending her actions after a Tribune photo showed her giving a Nazi salute during an altercation with protesters outside UIC Pavilion Friday night following the ill-fated Donald Trump rally.
The photo of Trump supporter Birgitt Peterson went viral on social media this weekend, causing some to wonder about her motivation for making the gesture.
Peterson, who said she emigrated from West Berlin and has been a U.S. citizen since 1982, said the salute came during an argument with protesters and was simply her response to them giving her the Nazi gesture.
Her husband, Donald, insisted: "We're not skinheads, we're not Nazis." Birgitt Peterson said she and her husband had left the UIC Pavilion after the rally was canceled because of security concerns. "I came out and lit a cigarette and all of a sudden, I was surrounded,'' she told the Tribune on Saturday.
She was wearing a Trump T-shirt, and a group of about 20 protesters began speaking to them, she said.
"The one lady, she said: 'Hey, white supremacist,'" Peterson said.
A woman grabbed the orange lanyard Peterson had around her neck that identified her as a member of the Illinois delegation to a past Republican convention, and then the woman let it go, she said.
Peterson said she told them: "Girlfriend, don't do this. If you want to talk, you have the right to be here to protest. I have the right to be here."
A protester told Peterson that she wanted the woman to "stay safe'' and urged Peterson and her husband to leave, she said. But they were cursing at them also, her husband added.
A young woman who had a shirt comparing Trump to Hitler accused the couple of voting for the Ku Klux Klan, Birgitt Peterson said, quoting the woman as saying, "Hitler is Donald Trump ... This is what you are. Why did you vote for this man?" Peterson said she responded: "You should know that I haven't voted for anybody because the primary is not until Tuesday."
She said the protesters told her, "You are here to vote for Hitler," and they started giving a Nazi salute.
Peterson said she told the protesters she was German and asked them if they knew what the salute meant.
"So Birgitt decided to teach them to do it,'' said Donald Peterson, who insisted they were "not Nazis'' and absolutely not supporters or "saluting'' Adolf Hitler.
"I lifted my arms," she said, adding that in German she said, "Hail to the German Reich."
A protester who was photographed with Peterson, Michael Joseph Garza, told the Tribune on Saturday he did not believe Peterson was responding to anyone else when she raised her arm in the salute.
"I went up to her and said, 'Ma'am, please leave, we have understood you, we have made a (path),'" Garza recalled. "She said, 'Go? Back in my day, this is what we did,' basically, and then she hailed Hitler."
Jason Wambsgans, the Tribune photographer who took the picture, said he had more than a dozen photos of Peterson giving the Nazi salute but did not see any protesters doing the gesture and has no photos showing that.
Donald Peterson said having grown up in postwar Germany, his wife knows the emotional impact of Hitler's reign.
"It really makes her mad that they compare somebody (like Trump) to Hitler without knowing history," he said. "That is an insult to anybody who lived through it."
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A ima i ovako, koliko je tacno ne znam ali me ne bi cudilo.
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ja sam oduševljen Trampom, čoek je izludio sve američke mediokritete, lik se svađa sa papom, kaže da je ga je Romni preklinjao za podršku 2012. toliko da je bio spreman da klekne na koljena, neće da se direktno distancira od KKK klana, sve ih zajebava toliko da dođu neke civil rights grupe i upadaju na njegove mitinge
uvijek se sjetim epizode Suddenly Susa, kada se Hulk Hogan kandiduje za gradonačelnika, rastura u kampanji, sve žive iznervira nevjerovatnim ponašanjem u skladu sa američkim rvanjem (btw Tramp je takođe dio te sportske federacije)
pobijedi, i onda slijedi ova scena
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-E2tgM5YOh0#)
nema kompletne epizode, bar ne mogu da nađem, ali zamislite američkog rvača koji dere sve redom, pobijedi na izborima, i onda slijedi ovog gore 8-)
Evo, da se Bato kandiduje i u kampanji referencira na bilo koji način Suddenly Susan, ja bi' odma' glasô za njega.
I'm not even kidding.
kad smo kod pop kulture
https://www.rt.com/usa/335148-bernie-sanders-gordon-gekko-greed/ (https://www.rt.com/usa/335148-bernie-sanders-gordon-gekko-greed/)
Quote from: Pepelbatto on 14-03-2016, 16:25:09
ja sam oduševljen Trampom
Zasto nisam iznenadjena?
Mislim na spektakularan nastup, a ideoloski se pretjerano i ne razlikuje od sandersa
Stavise, ne vidim nijedan razlog da Srbi glasaju za Sandersa, za koga glasaju samo waspovci iz nju hempsira
(https://brettfish.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/trollyoday.jpg)
Trump je kao troll ali u real life-u
Dobro, ali Tramp makar podseća da je američki predizborni cirkus baš to - cirkus. Da nije njega možda bi neko ozbiljno shvatao lupetanja likova kao što su Rubio, Kruz pa čak i Karson (koji sada podržava Trampa jer je shvatio da nije otišao full retard u svojoj kampanji) a ovako je eksplicitno prikazano šta se dešava kada u borbi za kandidaturu potpuno odustanete od 1) ideologije i 2) činjenica i samo pričate stvari koje kreiraju zanimljive naslove na bazfidu.
Naravno, it tejks a trol tu nou a trol:
Anonymous has declared 'total war' on Donald Trump, threatening to 'dismantle his campaign' (http://www.businessinsider.com/anonymous-has-declared-total-war-on-donald-trump-2016-3?IR=T)
QuoteHackers affiliated with the Anonymous hacktivist collective have vowed to relaunch cyber-operations against US presidential candidate Donald Trump from 1 April. They threaten to 'dismantle his campaign' by taking his election websites offline in a large-scale and orchestrated distributed denial-of-service (DDoS) attack.
In December 2015, Anonymous officially 'declared war (http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/optrump-anonymous-declares-war-donald-trump-ddos-attack-following-muslim-ban-speech-1532739)' on Trump after a radical speech in which he said Muslims should be banned from entering the United States. The operation at the time resulted in a number of websites being targeted by hackers, but failed to have lasting impact.
A new video statement (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ciavyc6bE7A) has been posted to YouTube which claims the 'loyalists and veterans' of Anonymous have decided to ramp up cyber-operations against Trump – dubbed #OpTrump – on a far larger scale than ever before.
"Dear Donald Trump, we have been watching you for a long time and what we see is deeply disturbing. Your inconsistent and hateful campaign has not only shocked the United States of America [but] you have shocked the entire planet with your appalling actions and ideas. You say what your audience wants to hear but in reality you don't stand for anything except for your personal greed and power."
The video, which features the traditional Guy Fawkes mask-wearing spokesperson speaking directly to camera, called the operation a "call to arms" for hacktivists across the globe.
"We need you to shut down his websites, to research and expose what he doesn't want the public to know. We need to dismantle his campaign and sabotage his brand. We are encouraging every able person with a computer to participate in this operation. This is not a warning, this is a declaration of total war. Donald Trump – it is too late to expect us."
In a separate written message posted online, Anonymous listed a number of websites chosen to be the initial targets in the attack including trump.com, donaldjtrump.com andtrumphotelcollection.com.
Alongside these chosen targets, the post lists a slew of unverified personal information purporting to belong to Donald Trump, including a social security number, personal phone number and the contact details of his agent and legal representation.
This is not the first time a hacking group has attempted to take on Donald Trump. In January 2016 a separate group called the New World Hackers carried out (http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/donald-trump-campaign-website-new-world-hacking-claims-responsibility-ddos-attack-1535745) multiple DDoS attacks on his official election campaign website – effectively taking it offline for a short period of time. Recently, Anonymous leaked messages (http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/anonymous-leaks-donald-trumps-voicemail-messages-1548126) from his phone's voicemail account which included personal communications from journalists, sports stars and boxing promotors.
Anonymous, which is a loose collective of hacktivists, routinely engages high-profile targets as part of its cyber-campaigns. Previous subjects have included the Islamic State (http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/paris-attacks-anonymous-declares-war-isis-1528882) (IS), the Vatican (http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/anonymous-vatican-lulzsec-antisec-paedophilia-316240) and most recently the Turkish government (http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/anonymous-hacker-unleashes-17-8gb-trove-data-turkish-national-police-server-1544131).
Read the original article (http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/optrump-donald-trump-faces-total-war-anonymous-cyberattacks-april-fools-day-1549368) on IB Times UK (http://ibtimes.co.uk). Copyright 2016. Follow IB Times UK on Twitter (http://twitter.com/IBTimesUK).
Ako pravi mediji smatraju da je trolovanje newsworthy materijal i ako javnost te medije konzumira onda je Tramp, jelte, predsednilčki kandidat koga ta javnost možda ne želi ali koga zaslužuje.
Hilari pobjedila u svih pet država. U dvije sa 1% razlike. Svejedno, za Bernija je gotovo. Matematički i dalje postoji šansa, realno - nema je.
Tramp pobijedo u Floridi, Rubio odustao od nominacije, Kejsik dobio u Ohaju - sada je najvjerovatniji izbor kandidata na konvenciji.
tramp ne samo da je trol masta, nego je i genije. Pogledajte samo reakciju na papinu pricu da onaj koji gradi zid nije hriscanin. Ostali cute, nece da komentarisu, iako su i sami protiv imigracije, samo Tramp dokazuje da je sekularan. Ovi em pricaju stalno kako su new born krscani, vec i cute pspi kad se mijesa u svjetovnu oblast. Lijepo mu kaze donaldinjo da ce se moliti da tramp bude predsjednik ako isis napadne vatikan. To je dvostepeno genijalno trolanje, umjesto da se brani i podsjeca na sekularnu drzavu, tramp raspali po sticeniku sv. Petra.
I tako, genijalne ideje popu kineskog zida i zaustavljanja globalizacije pokazuju i da tramp cita istoriju drugih civilizacija, siguran sam da ce citirati konfucija uskoro! 8-)
Ne znam da li ste spominjali spot RATM iz '99, Sleep now in the fire...
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The Clintons' War on Women (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/26154169-the-clintons-war-on-women)
QuoteHillary Clinton is running for president as an "advocate of women and girls," but there is another shocking side to her story that has been carefully covered up—until now. This stunning exposé reveals for the first time how Bill and Hillary Clinton systematically abused women and others—sexually, physically, and psychologically—in their scramble for power and wealth.
House of Cards 1/1
normalno, pa nece valjda Tramp da bude negativac u True Detective? 8-)
Eh, pa naravno, zašto da ne (https://www.yahoo.com/beauty/cruz-ad-slut-shames-trumps-wife-160059332.html)....
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Sanders crushes Clinton in Washington (http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/dem-primaries/274346-sanders-scores-washington-win)
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Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders (http://thehill.com/people/bernie-sanders) is projected to win the Washington state caucuses. The win is a huge boost for the Vermont senator as he seeks to regain momentum in the primary and tighten rival Hillary Clinton (http://thehill.com/people/hillary-clinton)'s delegate lead.
Sanders will take the majority of Washington's 101 pledged delegates. With 30 percent of the vote in, the AP reports that Sanders leads Clinton by about 53 percentage points. The win will help him make a dent in Clinton's delegate lead. Entering Saturday, Clinton had 1,223 pledged delegates, with Sanders at 946 delegates. He made a strong play for the state, holding several rallies leading up to the caucuses. Clinton had earned endorsements from both of the state's Democratic senators, Patty Murray (http://thehill.com/people/patty-murray) and Maria Cantwell (http://thehill.com/people/maria-cantwell). Sanders has conceded that Clinton overwhelmingly defeated him in the South but said he'd perform better in West Coast contests. Sanders won the Alaska caucuses earlier in the day. Hawaii also will cast votes on Saturday.
http://www.salon.com/2016/03/17/pbs_airs_segment_with_trump_supporting_family_doesnt_notice_mothers_white_supremacist_tattoos/ (http://www.salon.com/2016/03/17/pbs_airs_segment_with_trump_supporting_family_doesnt_notice_mothers_white_supremacist_tattoos/)
И чоек послије побиједи у три државе!
Despite The Math, Bernie Sanders Has Already Won (http://www.npr.org/2016/03/27/472056754/despite-the-math-bernie-sanders-has-already-won)
Supermen i Betmen u svetlu američkih izbora
http://www.newyorker.com/culture/richard-brody/batman-v-superman-is-democrats-vs-republicans?mbid=social_facebook (http://www.newyorker.com/culture/richard-brody/batman-v-superman-is-democrats-vs-republicans?mbid=social_facebook)
O tome kako mediji pokrivaju Sandersa (http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/media-unimpressed-as-sanders-barely-gets-seventy-per-cent-of-vote?intcid=mod-most-popular)
Ili: Sanders "ran out of steam well shy of eighty percent."
Два солидна текста о Трампу у Њујорк Тајмсу
Овај мало трумановски кука о расизму и десници и демагогији, али признаје да је Доналд одлично повезан са својим бирачима
http://nyti.ms/233Qc7B (http://nyti.ms/233Qc7B)
Трампов интервју Плејбоју из 1990. показује да он у ствари није промијенио ниједан став четврт вијека. Чак постоји шббкбб дио какав би то био Доналд предсједник
http://nyti.ms/1SBv03Z (http://nyti.ms/1SBv03Z)
End zis iz ver tings get agli/er
Sta reci...jednostavno 'NE' bi, cini se, bio razuman odgovor na postavljeno pitanje.
http://youtu.be/i2mHh9TtEks (http://youtu.be/i2mHh9TtEks)
Agli? Er? Ma, kakvi, pa on već godinama napada Planned Parenthood, pre godinu dana je najavio da će da im iseče državni fanding ako bude precednik, ovo je samo da se umili ekstremnijim biračima ali sasvim u skladu sa njegovom dugogodišnjom agendom kad su u pitanju reproduktivna prava.
To je strasno, vidim da se i u Misisipiju guraju neki, maltene serijatski, zakoni :(
čoek je žuti kralj, to ne može da se ospori
lik gubi 10% na polovima u odnosu na Kruza u Viskonsinu, negativna kampanja ga razapinje zbog seksizma i ružnih izjava o ženama, čak on lično izbaci neki meme u kojem poredi izgled Kruzove i svoje žene
polovi tvrde da ga 70% žena mrzi, kao što rekoh zaostaje 10% za Kruzom u Viskonsinu i on onda izjavi ovo oko abortusa + da se zalaže za proliferaciju nuklearnog naoružanja, da bombe treba da dobiju Japan i još neki
ako sad dobije Viskonsin moramo da mu se divimo
Hail to the Yellow King!
Tramp kaze "You go back to a position like they had when people will, perhaps, go to illegal places, but you have to ban it" :P
Boles mozga. Ok, znaci zabrana je vredna ovakvog rizika po reproduktivno zdravlje ili cak zivot osobe koja trazi nelegalne kanale da bi ostvarila svoje pravo na izbor, nice.
Quotepolovi tvrde da ga 70% žena mrzi
nije ni cudo.
Tramp je samo pogrešio što nije rekao:
JA imam lični stav i to je ovo i ovo, ja sam pro-life, against abortion, ali znaš šta? Te stvari se in our great United States of America ne odlučuju na federalnom nivou niti u kancelariji predsednika USA.
Po ustavu USA, države i njihovi zakoni imaju primat, a ne federal authority, a ja kao predsednik ću da se zalažem za my most important duty, which is to uphold the constitution of the USA!!
Aplauz. USA! USA! Trump I want your child! Žene čupaju kosu. Muškarci čupaju kosu.
Kraj.
(I love USA :lol: )
Make Murrica great again!
grejt jeste. za turizam posebno :mrgreen:
jednom ću da rentiram auto na istočnoj obali i vozim do zapadne. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Трамп вининг аген
"The White House Won't Respond To Petition To Arrest Donald Trump" - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2016/04/05/white-house-petition-donald-trump_n_9617402.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2016/04/05/white-house-petition-donald-trump_n_9617402.html)
Quote from: lilit on 01-04-2016, 18:17:24
grejt jeste. za turizam posebno :mrgreen:
jednom ću da rentiram auto na istočnoj obali i vozim do zapadne. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Jel mogu sa tobom lilit?
:!: :!: :!:
Biki, ti si na samom kontinentu, jel?
Taj road trip je neka suluda ideja i u mojoj kuci, al mi se cini nesto daleko i tesko izvodljivo...ono, u domenu mastanja.
Da :) Mi ne idemo na road trips longer than 4 hrs, posto imamo jedno odraslo (20 Godina ) dete, jednog tinejdzera i jedno malo dete + kuce. Jednom smo se proslog leta"izgubili" i google maps je nesto zezao, put se oduzio... mogla bih da napisem tragikomediju na sta je to licilo.
Lepo :) i racionalno.
Not gettin' any younger (but getting grumpier) sto kazu, pa cu se verovatno zadovoljiti nekim tripovima po ovom ili onom delu Evrope :lol:
Quote from: Biki on 05-04-2016, 19:02:19
Quote from: lilit on 01-04-2016, 18:17:24
grejt jeste. za turizam posebno :mrgreen:
jednom ću da rentiram auto na istočnoj obali i vozim do zapadne. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Jel mogu sa tobom lilit?
:!: :!: :!:
of course! .
imamo i scenario: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGGngC8lUc8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGGngC8lUc8)
:lol:
uskoro idem (ako ne skapam u međuvremenu) na nešto slično al mrskim avionom, pos'o će me sa'raniti. :)
:-D
ето објашњења зашто Бики не воли Доналда, ал нама који смо удаљени хиљадама миља Трамп је хилеријс!
Вејт а минит, зар не би био крејзи роуд трип посјетити мексички зид као туристичку атракцију? 8-)
Ne
Meanwhile u Wisconsinu:
Republican Cruz and Democrat Sanders score key victories in Wisconsin (https://www.yahoo.com/news/republican-cruz-democrat-sanders-score-wins-wisconsin-013911203.html)
'He is a Trojan horse': Donald Trump rages after getting crushed in Wisconsin (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/trojan-horse-donald-trump-rages-024946532.html)
QuoteDonald Trump's presidential campaign unleashed a furious statement Tuesday night after Ted Cruz easily defeated him in the Wisconsin primary.
"Ted Cruz is worse than a puppet--- he is a Trojan horse, being used by the party bosses attempting to steal the nomination from Mr. Trump," the Republican frontrunner's statement declared.
Instead of offering a note of praise like after past losses, Trump's Tuesday-night statement leveled a bevy of attacks against "Lyin' Ted Cruz."
Among other things, the statement accused Cruz of illegally coordinating with super PACs supporting his campaign, though he did not specify any evidence for the claim.
The Trump camp also claimed that its candidate "withstood the onslaught of the establishment yet again" and noted that Cruz had the support of Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker and a number of local conservative radio hosts.
Trump had aggressively campaigned in Wisconsin and repeatedly predicted that he would win there. He barnstormed the state for days in hopes of catching up to Cruz after the senator started to pull ahead, holding six Wisconsin rallies (http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-wisconsin-primary-ted-cruz-2016-4) between Saturday and Monday.
The billionaire still is hoping to salvage a few of the 42 delegates at stake. Although winning the statewide vote guarantees Cruz a batch of delegates, Trump can gain three delegates for each congressional district he wins. The data-journalism website FiveThirtyEight reported (http://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/wisconsin-primary-presidential-election-2016/?#livepress-update-21680064) that Trump was competitive in two of the state's eight districts.
Read the full statement below: Donald J. Trump withstood the onslaught of the establishment yet again. Lyin' Ted Cruz had the Governor of Wisconsin, many conservative talk radio show hosts, and the entire party apparatus behind him. Not only was he propelled by the anti-Trump Super PAC's spending countless millions of dollars on false advertising against Mr. Trump, but he was coordinating `with his own Super PAC's (which is illegal) who totally control him. Ted Cruz is worse than a puppet--- he is a Trojan horse, being used by the party bosses attempting to steal the nomination from Mr. Trump. We have total confidence that Mr. Trump will go on to win in New York, where he holds a substantial lead in all the polls, and beyond. Mr. Trump is the only candidate who can secure the delegates needed to win the Republican nomination and ultimately defeat Hillary Clinton, or whomever is the Democratic nominee, in order to Make America Great Again.
Quote from: Biki on 06-04-2016, 03:41:15
Ne
То ти је као да одеш у Кину и не посјетиш зид!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lS0zhTMbBiM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lS0zhTMbBiM%3Cbr%20/%3E%3Cbr%20/%3E%5Burl=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lS0zhTMbBiM)
Crk'o sam od smijeha zamalo...
Quote from: Pepelbatto on 06-04-2016, 01:33:53
ето објашњења зашто Бики не воли Доналда, ал нама који смо удаљени хиљадама миља Трамп је хилеријс!
Jes to, ali ako je u Kanadi (ucinilo mi se da sam uhvatila negde taj info), sta s tim? Imaju svoje politicare, vladu i tako? Nekog hunky precednika vlade. Happy days mate.
тек онда не видим зашто би бринула!
Pa, dobro, globalizovan svet, ljudi često brinu o političarima iz drugih zemalja jer računaju da njihovi postupci imaju osetne posledice na globalnom nivou. Ponekad je to sasvim farsično - Gadafi, Asad kao najomraženiji svecki lideri - ponekad ima smisla jer Obama actually ubija po svetu, Putin actually vrši oružane upade u druge zemlje, Orban actually otvoreno krši potpisane sporazume u EU itd. Ne živimo više u svetu gde je politika stvar upravljana polisom, jelte, u velikoj meri je ona i entertejnment - Tramp kao idealan primer mešanja informativnog i entertejnment sadržaja.
Тај дио је јасан, оно што није јасно је питање ко мисли да ће Хилари да убија мање од Трампа?
Ma, dobro, jasno je da je Hilari već dobrano okrvavila ruke na poziciji Državnog Sekretara dok je Tramp neko ko priča politički nekorektno i daje relativno sumanute izjave koje deluju ekstremno ali da niko zbilja nema pojma kakva bi stvarno bila njegova spoljna politika pošto i on stalno daje oprečne izjave o istoj.
Што се тога тиче, имао је неке састанке са дипломатама, један његов савјетник је дао интервју, у којем то звучи ок
Јесте и даље екстравагантно, али сарадња с Русијом је већ нешто што се редовно спомиње, и као и Сандерс жели реструктурирање хладноратовске Нато структуре
Дакле, оно што је стварно надлежност предсједника, Трамп је злато од Републиканца
Абортусима се предсједник не бави, то је забава за масу, изрећи што будаластију ствар и заузети медијски простор и вријеме
Једино због чега га естаблишмент мрзи је што се плаше за своје фотеље, а сасвим је јасно да их миграција уништава, побогу 2 милиона дошло у ЕУ и они затворили границе, а у САД 12 милиона и Трамп је фашиста
Логика удри ме до зоре, притом он само прича о зиду а да ли је то реално....
Do sada je običaj bio da kandidati obećaju šta žele da urade, i onda kada jednog odaberemo merimo mu efikasnost time šta je zaista i uradio. Da li je prihvatljivo da kandidat obeća stvari koje nema nameru da uradi? Zamislimo da svi kandidati počnu da obećavaju gluposti, tipa više palačinki za sve, koje nemaju nameru da urade. Kakava je onda svrha od izbora? Što ne bismo ukinuli izbore i prosto izvukli novog predsednika na kocku?
I Sanders i Tramp su u suštini izolacionisti. I jedan i drugi su skloni povlačenju iz uloge svjetskog policajca, i ozbiljno smanjenje troškova za vojsku. E sad, što Tramp smatra da bi te pare trebalo uložiti u izgradnju zidova i ne znam ti čega, a Berni bi to da uloži u infrastrukturu to je druga priča.
ма тај зид је јефтин бре, ни 1% буџета, притом више даје Мексику у виду разних подстицаја него што зид кошта
Само што зид не може ништа да заустави, то је замајавање
То јест, како да се отарасиш мрава, једино да запрашиш стан толико да и себе отрујеш, и онда слиједи социјалистичка револуција! 8-)
Hoćemo Trampa jer on Amere slepački vodi u revoluciju? Ali i Sanders zastupa prilično fundamentalne promene, a pritom ne menja koncept demokratije. Želimo valjda više prava i odgovornosti za sve ljude, a ne manje?
Па Сандерс неће бити кандидат, због чега бих размишљао о типу који неће бити номинован
Уосталом, брига мене за њихов концепт демократије, ако хоће зарђалим кашикама да ваде фетусе могу и то да раде, само нека на мене не бацају бомбе
А демократе то иначе чешће раде од републиканаца, и више се сукобљавају с Русима
http://mapi.huffpost.com/mapi/v2//us/entry/us_57064015e4b053766188c272/slideshow/56f43212e4b014d3fe228d4d.html?device=android,small (http://mapi.huffpost.com/mapi/v2//us/entry/us_57064015e4b053766188c272/slideshow/56f43212e4b014d3fe228d4d.html?device=android,small)
Факјеа!
U Vošington Postu BAŠ ne vole Trampa :lol:
Blundering Trump is running out of material (https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2016/04/08/blundering-trump-is-running-out-of-material/)
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Donald Trump is spending his time chastising Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) for condemning "New York values (http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/06/politics/donald-trump-new-york-values-ted-cruz/index.html)." When Cruz first made the remark, we argued (https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2016/01/13/tell-us-what-new-york-values-are-sen-cruz/) that it was foolish for him to insult voters whom he would later need to court. He's paying a price for that now, although Republicans in New York, he argues, understand what he meant ("the values of the liberal Democratic politicians that have been hammering the people of New York for some time"). That aside, Trump is running low on "safe" material and, you might have noticed, is not so omnipresent on cable TV news.
He used to insult many candidates, but most of them are out of the race.
He used to talk about his polls, but now he trails Hillary Clinton badly in a general-election match-up. Cruz has shrunk Trump's lead in California to single digits. Trump cannot say "Women love me," without facing a bevy of polls showing how unpopular he is with women.
Trump used to talk freely about foreign policy. Since his egregious gaffes on pulling back from NATO and letting Japan and South Korea get nukes, that topic has become dicey. In fact, his policy foolery makes discussion of any issue treacherous. On health care, he is getting scorned for his "incoherent mishmash (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/09/us/politics/donald-trump-health-care.html)" of half-baked ideas. On entitlements, no one thinks getting rid of "waste, fraud and abuse" is going to make Social Security solvent. His idea that he will eliminate the $19 trillion debt in eight years with a tax scheme that loses $10 trillion and without touching entitlements is laughable. Now, mainstream media interviewers are challenging his preposterous ideas while transcripts of his interviews with the Post and the New York Times editorial boards generate guffaws from conservatives.
Listen to Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump discuss some of his foreign policy positions with The Washington Post editorial board. "NATO is costing us a fortune," Trump said. "We're not reimbursed fairly for what we do." (The Washington Post)
Trump's campaign promises a series of policy speeches. The danger there, however, is that someone might ask him questions about his remarks, forcing him to explain himself. That generally has not gone well. In a prepared speech last month at the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) gathering, Trump barely got through the teleprompted remarks, and no one managed to edit out a reference to "Palestine," which Cruz pointed out does not exist.
Trump cannot talk about his ability to hire great people and his fantastic organization, given that he had to essentially demote his beleaguered campaign manager and bring in someone to try to stem the flood of delegate losses. Any effort to disguise the demotion of Corey Lewandowski vanished when Trump's new "convention manager," Paul Manafort, revealed that he reports directly to Trump. In fact, Trump's business experience is no longer a great topic for him either, now that the details of Trump University and serial failures (casinos, steaks, mortgages, vodka, airlines, football, etc.) have come to light.
There is always Sean Hannity to toss him softballs, but for the first time, the free-media environment has become treacherous. Losing races, mismanaging your campaign and flubbing a series of interviews will have that effect.
A onda:
The Panama Papers Are Exactly Why Hillary Clinton Can't Be President (http://thefederalist.com/2016/04/08/the-panama-papers-make-the-case-against-hillary-clinton/)
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The revelations from the Panama Papers—leaked documents from a secretive Panamanian law firm that helps political elites hide their money—have been hitting home across the world, exposing the widespread corruption of world leaders and their hangers-on. It ought to hit here, too, because it reminds us of everything that should give us the heebie-jeebies about Hillary Clinton. The Panama Papers have simply confirmed (http://www.theguardian.com/news/2016/apr/03/panama-papers-money-hidden-offshore) everything we already pretty much knew. This is just the way things work in much of the world. Clawing your way into high political office means that you have a lot special of favors to give out, contracts to distribute, land and timber and shipping deals to approve, and so on. So you dole them out to friends, relatives, and backers—and they naturally show their gratitude by kicking some of it back to you. And if you don't officially get rich—well, mi casa es su casa, what's a little sharing between friends? This has long been Vladimir Putin's method. "In 2010, US diplomatic cables suggested Putin held his wealth via proxies. The president formally owned nothing, they added, but was able to draw on the wealth of his friends, who now control practically all of Russia's oil and gas production and industrial resources." The Panama Papers shed light on the fortune of Putin's old friend Sergei Roldugin, who has somehow amassed billions (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/31d99184-fa66-11e5-8f41-df5bda8beb40.html#axzz45EhJDkPr) as an obscure classical musician. Putin knows how easy it is for corrupt officials to live like kings without officially owning anything, because that's the way things worked in the good old days of the Soviet Union. In most of the world, this is known and more or less accepted as the way things work. But not traditionally in the US and in the developed countries of the West, where our governments have been structured, either from the beginning or over many years of civil service reforms, to prevent corruption and conflicts of interest. So when they are exposed, it's a major scandal. That's why they're pretty much ignoring (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/russian-state-media-ignore-panama-881317) the Panama Papers in Moscow, but in Iceland, crowds swarmed Raykjavik and forced the resignation (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/06/world/europe/panama-papers-iceland.html) of the prime minister. And that confronts us with a question: do we want Panama here? Because a couple of other names pop up (http://dailycaller.com/2016/04/05/hillary-clinton-ties-emerge-in-panama-papers/) in the Panama Papers, including those of a few well-known associates of Hillary Clinton: longtime Democratic Party fixers John and Tony Podesta and Clinton sycophant Sydney Blumenthal. And why not? Hillary Clinton has been up to her neck in crony deals from the very beginning. All the way back in 1978, for example, she indulged a sudden mania for trading cattle futures, from which she made just shy of $100,000 in less than a year—a lot more money back then than it is now, and a whole lot for a young couple like the Clintons. She has shown no interest in commodities trading since, which is surprising considering how successful she was at it. But maybe not so surprising when you consider that her trades back then were made under the guidance of an attorney who worked for a large company that just happened to be regulated by her husband. Gee, that almost looks like a bribe. That's the kind of thing that's all over the Panama Papers, and it's what Hillary Clinton has been doing forever. It's how the Clintons suddenly made $100 million in the first few years after leaving the White House, with nothing to offer the business world but their political connections. It's why the Clinton Foundation got massive donations (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html) from Russian businessmen with deals that required State Department approval. The problem is wider than Hillary Clinton, of course. Donald Trump has openly bragged (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trump-on-buying-politicians-when-i-call-they-kiss-my-ass/article/2580063) about his role in this system from the other end, as the businessman who buys the influence of politicians. Even Bernie Sanders, who has been making hay from the Panama Papers, advocates a much bigger role for government, particularly in regulating international trade—which is precisely the kind of playground for corruption revealed by the Panama Papers. Only Ted Cruz, despite playing footsie with protectionism during the South Carolina primary, advocates a smaller role for government in picking winners and losers in the economy. The fact is that the reason official corruption is rampant across much of the world is not just that they have insufficient civil service reforms. It's because their governments have vast, arbitrary powers. Hillary Clinton is one of the most visible reminders of this kind of wheeling and dealing among the global elites—and she presents us with the prospect of bringing the whole sordid system back from Panama and straight into the Oval Office.
Krugman on the dark side of the force
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/08/opinion/sanders-over-the-edge.html?src=me (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/08/opinion/sanders-over-the-edge.html?src=me)
komedija
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-static-noise-speech_us_570930dae4b0836057a16748 (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-static-noise-speech_us_570930dae4b0836057a16748)
Donald Trump's Nuclear Uncle (http://www.newyorker.com/news/amy-davidson/donald-trumps-nuclear-uncle)
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In September, 1936, a reporter for the Associated Press watched the unveiling of a new kind of X-ray machine, said to be able to generate a million volts of power. The scientist operating the device was John G. Trump, a professor of engineering at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. Trump was working the controls and explaining how high-speed electrons ran along a porcelain tube to a "water-cooled gold target," when suddenly "two of the high-voltage sparks hit him squarely on the nose." And yet, according to the A.P. account (http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive/pdf?res=9406E4DD1639EE3BBC4953DFB667838D629EDE), the direct strike caused him only "slight discomfort." Professor Trump told the reporter, "That's an advantage of this machine. It's completely grounded and those sparks can't kill you."
If only the same could be said of the Presidential campaign run by Professor Trump's nephew, Donald J. Trump. He is still uncomfortably close to victory, which is why there have been, lately, more serious attempts to figure out what he might do if, say, he had access to nuclear weapons. In his answers, he seldom sounds as ungrounded as when he invokes Professor Trump, the younger brother of his father, Fred. "My uncle used to tell me about nuclear before nuclear was nuclear," Trump said in one interview, "before nuclear" referring, perhaps, to the development of hydrogen bombs, rather than basic atomic bombs (which occurred when Donald was about six years old), or perhaps just to that netherworld where things wait until Trump judges them to be fashionable or flashy enough to exist. He mentions his uncle so often, and in such extravagant terms—"brilliant," "one of the top, top professors at M.I.T."—that it seems worth asking what the professor and his arcane knowledge mean to him. There are two different sets of answers, which might be put into the category of foreign and domestic.
But first, given Trump's tendency to wrap things in porcelain and gold and shoot sparks through them, it's worth noting that John Trump really does seem to have been a brilliant scientist. He was at M.I.T. for decades, and the X-ray machines he helped design "provided additional years of life to cancer patients throughout the world," as the Times (http://www.nytimes.com/1985/02/26/us/john-trump-dies-engineer-was-78.html) put it in his obituary, in 1985. Trump was involved in radar research for the Allies in the Second World War, and in 1943 the F.B.I. had enough faith in his technical ability and his discretion to call him in when Nikola Tesla died in his room at the New Yorker Hotel, in Manhattan, raising the question of whether enemy agents might have had a chance to learn some of his secrets before the body was found. (One fear was that Tesla was working on a "death ray.") As Margaret Cheney and Robert Uth recount in "Tesla, Master of Lightning," Professor Trump examined Tesla's papers and equipment, and, in a written report, told the F.B.I. not to worry: Tesla's "thoughts and efforts during at least the past 15 years were primarily of a speculative, philosophical, and somewhat promotional character," but "did not include new, sound, workable principles or methods for realizing such results." Professor Trump may have neglected to make that sort of distinction clear to his nephew.
What is strange is that Donald Trump couples tales of how he received early, secret word from his uncle that nuclear weapons were dangerous and getting more so—"He would tell me, 'There are things that are happening that could be potentially so bad for the world in terms of weaponry," he told the Boston Globe—with a casual indifference about proliferation. In recent interviews, Trump has said that if countries like Japan and South Korea didn't want to pay America more for military protection, they should go and build their own nuclear weapons. When, in one seesawing exchange, Anderson Cooper (http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2016/03/29/full-rush-transcript-donald-trump-cnn-milwaukee-republican-presidential-town-hall/) asked if this meant he was for proliferation, Trump first disagreed, citing—naturally—the professor. "I hate nuclear more than any. My uncle was a professor was at M.I.T., used to tell me about nuclear," Trump said. But then he added, "Can I be honest with you? It's going to happen, anyway. It's going to happen anyway. It's only a question of time . . . Now, wouldn't you rather in a certain sense have Japan have nuclear weapons when North Korea has nuclear weapons?" (Actually, no.)
It's true that nuclear weapons are not that hard for a determined country to acquire, which is why the best counter-proliferation tool is diplomacy—that is, deal-making, which Trump prides himself on and yet, in this case, tosses aside. Last week, President Obama attended an international summit on nuclear weapons, in Washington, and said in a press conference that the representatives of other countries had told him they were worried about Trump, who, Obama said, "doesn't know much about foreign policy or nuclear policy or the Korean Peninsula or the world generally."
It gets stranger still when Trump invokes the bomb as a way to dismiss talk of climate change: "The only global warming I'm worried about is nuclear global warming." Was he thinking of the nuclear winter, but got it backward? Or of the heat generated when bombs, which his uncle told him would be nuclear even before there was nuclear, detonate? It may be, as is so often the case, that looking for the logic in Trump's comments is a pointless exercise. But they might provide an outline, at least, of a world view. When Trump told the Times that his uncle "would tell me many years ago about the power of weapons someday, that the destructive force of these weapons would be so massive, that it's going to be a scary world," maybe his point was that the world is a scary place, and thus well-suited for a politician like him, who traffics in fear.
Then there is the domestic side. Trump brings up his Uncle John on subjects that have nothing to do with technology, such as when the Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2016/03/21/a-transcript-of-donald-trumps-meeting-with-the-washington-post-editorial-board/) asked him about his tendency to use crude language and insult people. Trump said that that wouldn't continue when he was President—and why not? "My uncle, I would say my uncle was one of the brilliant people. He was at M.I.T. for thirty-five years. As a great scientist and engineer, actually more than anything else, Dr. John Trump—a great guy." That was followed not by a quote from his uncle about, say, the importance of treating people decently, but by the simple statement: "I'm an intelligent person." This is the professor's other role in the Trump rhetorical universe: as a sort of eugenic guarantor of intelligence and breeding.
It is a theme that comes up often. "I had a father who was successful," Trump told CNN (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1002/10/ctw.01.html), in 2010. "And, you know, I have a certain gene. I'm a gene believer. Hey, when you connect two race horses, you usually end up with a fast horse." In South Carolina, earlier this year, he noted, "Dr. John Trump at M.I.T.; good genes, very good genes, O.K., very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart." (Donald Trump was at Wharton as an undergraduate, after transferring from Fordham.) To the Boston Globe: "My father's brother was a brilliant man . . . We have very good genetics." And then on NBC (http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/trump-campaigns-effect-would-be-different-president-n514996), after telling Lester Holt that his uncle was a professor at M.I.T.: "I mean it's a good gene pool right there"—he pointed to his head—"I have to do what I have to do."
Looking at Trump's ideological assemblage, one can see certain common connectors—fatalism, fear, and a social-Darwinist's contempt for those who don't do quite as well as he and his family have. Being born rich isn't luck; it's something to congratulate oneself on when one looks in the mirror. The opposite is true of the "losers." It's part of what can make Trump feel both like a doomsayer and a smug child. In his rallies, he has taken to giving dramatic readings of the lyrics of a song, by Al Wilson, called "The Snake," which he presents as a parable about the dangers of immigration: a woman saw a beautiful snake at the side of the road, almost dead from the cold. She took it home, warmed it up, saved its life, and "clutched it to her bosom"—Trump always emphasizes that phrase—whereupon it bit her. As she died from the venom, she asked why. "You knew damn well I was a snake!" Trump shouts. The world is scary; people don't change. All a Trump can do is ride down an escalator to the lobby in Trump Tower, past the gold fittings and the waterfall, and say that he's running for President. Then come the sparks.
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Hvala mace (ovo sad zvuci kao mace kad nekome tepas :D) . Probala sam ali je ispalo isto.
Koristim safari na ipadu. Probala sam malopre da stavim neku slicicu na podforumu fotografije i nisam uspela. Javilo mi da su moje fotke image.jpg a forum to ne podrzava. Mislila sam da su fotke na ipadu u jpg. formatu. Elem imam posle nesto da zavrsim na PCju pa cu da probam opet.
ako je neka antitramp propaganda nemoj ni da postavljaš!
Quote from: Саша Радуловић on 11-04-2016, 16:02:42
ako je neka antitramp propaganda nemoj ni da postavljaš!
Ma bio je smajli pop sto kadi okolo. Zaprepastilo me je to sto je Trampov ujak pregledavao Tesline radove nakon njegove smrti. Doslo mi da se prekrstim tri puta + + +.
Otkad su ušli u Teslinu sobu, Trampovi obožavaju hotele!
http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/trumps-convention-strategy-the-fix-is-in (http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/trumps-convention-strategy-the-fix-is-in)
More than three months before any ballots have been cast at the Republican convention, Roger Stone, Donald Trump's on-again, off-again consigliere, has delivered the campaign equivalent of a severed horse head to delegates who might consider denying Trump the nomination. Trump's supporters will find you in your sleep, he merrily informed them this week. He did not mean it metaphorically.
"We will disclose the hotels and the room numbers of those delegates who are directly involved in the steal," Stone said Monday, on Freedomain Radio. "If you're from Pennsylvania, we'll tell you who the culprits are. We urge you to visit their hotel and find them. You have a right to discuss this, if you voted in the Pennsylvania primary, for example, and your votes are being disallowed," Stone said.
Напокон, Трампов гениј у глобалу!
"This Map Of Donald Trump's Foreign Policy Would Be Funny If It Weren't So True" - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-foreign-policy-map_us_570d3358e4b0885fb50e5fef (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-foreign-policy-map_us_570d3358e4b0885fb50e5fef)
Напокон, Трампов гениј у глобалу!
"This Map Of Donald Trump's Foreign Policy Would Be Funny If It Weren't So True" - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-foreign-policy-map_us_570d3358e4b0885fb50e5fef (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-foreign-policy-map_us_570d3358e4b0885fb50e5fef)
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/fact-check-clinton-vs-sanders-on-wall-street/ (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/fact-check-clinton-vs-sanders-on-wall-street/)
380 miliona $ potrošeno u kampanji
280 Republikanci
18 Tramp
ša reći, suvi genije
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/how-the-media-has-shaped-the-2016-presidential-race/ (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/how-the-media-has-shaped-the-2016-presidential-race/)
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/03/23/a-world-war-has-begun-break-the-silence/ (http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/03/23/a-world-war-has-begun-break-the-silence/)
QuoteA World War has Begun: Break the Silence
by John Pilger
I have been filming in the Marshall Islands, which lie north of Australia, in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. Whenever I tell people where I have been, they ask, "Where is that?" If I offer a clue by referring to "Bikini", they say, "You mean the swimsuit."
Few seem aware that the bikini swimsuit was named to celebrate the nuclear explosions that destroyed Bikini island. Sixty-six nuclear devices were exploded by the United States in the Marshall Islands between 1946 and 1958 — the equivalent of 1.6 Hiroshima bombs every day for twelve years.
Bikini is silent today, mutated and contaminated. Palm trees grow in a strange grid formation. Nothing moves. There are no birds. The headstones in the old cemetery are alive with radiation. My shoes registered "unsafe" on a Geiger counter.
Standing on the beach, I watched the emerald green of the Pacific fall away into a vast black hole. This was the crater left by the hydrogen bomb they called "Bravo". The explosion poisoned people and their environment for hundreds of miles, perhaps forever.
On my return journey, I stopped at Honolulu airport and noticed an American magazine called Women's Health. On the cover was a smiling woman in a bikini swimsuit, and the headline: "You, too, can have a bikini body." A few days earlier, in the Marshall Islands, I had interviewed women who had very different "bikini bodies"; each had suffered thyroid cancer and other life-threatening cancers.
Unlike the smiling woman in the magazine, all of them were impoverished: the victims and guinea pigs of a rapacious superpower that is today more dangerous than ever.
I relate this experience as a warning and to interrupt a distraction that has consumed so many of us. The founder of modern propaganda, Edward Bernays, described this phenomenon as "the conscious and intelligent manipulation of the habits and opinions" of democratic societies. He called it an "invisible government".
How many people are aware that a world war has begun? At present, it is a war of propaganda, of lies and distraction, but this can change instantaneously with the first mistaken order, the first missile.
In 2009, President Obama stood before an adoring crowd in the centre of Prague, in the heart of Europe. He pledged himself to make "the world free from nuclear weapons". People cheered and some cried. A torrent of platitudes flowed from the media. Obama was subsequently awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.
It was all fake. He was lying.
The Obama administration has built more nuclear weapons, more nuclear warheads, more nuclear delivery systems, more nuclear factories. Nuclear warhead spending alone rose higher under Obama than under any American president. The cost over thirty years is more than $1 trillion.
A mini nuclear bomb is planned. It is known as the B61 Model 12. There has never been anything like it. General James Cartwright, a former Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, has said, "Going smaller [makes using this nuclear] weapon more thinkable."
In the last eighteen months, the greatest build-up of military forces since World War Two — led by the United States — is taking place along Russia's western frontier. Not since Hitler invaded the Soviet Union have foreign troops presented such a demonstrable threat to Russia.
Ukraine – once part of the Soviet Union – has become a CIA theme park. Having orchestrated a coup in Kiev, Washington effectively controls a regime that is next door and hostile to Russia: a regime rotten with Nazis, literally. Prominent parliamentary figures in Ukraine are the political descendants of the notorious OUN and UPA fascists. They openly praise Hitler and call for the persecution and expulsion of the Russian speaking minority.
This is seldom news in the West, or it is inverted to suppress the truth.
In Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia — next door to Russia – the US military is deploying combat troops, tanks, heavy weapons. This extreme provocation of the world's second nuclear power is met with silence in the West.
What makes the prospect of nuclear war even more dangerous is a parallel campaign against China.
Seldom a day passes when China is not elevated to the status of a "threat". According to Admiral Harry Harris, the US Pacific commander, China is "building a great wall of sand in the South China Sea".
What he is referring to is China building airstrips in the Spratly Islands, which are the subject of a dispute with the Philippines – a dispute without priority until Washington pressured and bribed the government in Manila and the Pentagon launched a propaganda campaign called "freedom of navigation".
What does this really mean? It means freedom for American warships to patrol and dominate the coastal waters of China. Try to imagine the American reaction if Chinese warships did the same off the coast of California.
I made a film called The War You Don't See, in which I interviewed distinguished journalists in America and Britain: reporters such as Dan Rather of CBS, Rageh Omar of the BBC, David Rose of the Observer.
All of them said that had journalists and broadcasters done their job and questioned the propaganda that Saddam Hussein possessed weapons of mass destruction; had the lies of George W. Bush and Tony Blair not been amplified and echoed by journalists, the 2003 invasion of Iraq might not have happened, and hundreds of thousands of men, women and children would be alive today.
The propaganda laying the ground for a war against Russia and/or China is no different in principle. To my knowledge, no journalist in the Western "mainstream" — a Dan Rather equivalent, say –asks why China is building airstrips in the South China Sea.
The answer ought to be glaringly obvious. The United States is encircling China with a network of bases, with ballistic missiles, battle groups, nuclear -armed bombers.
This lethal arc extends from Australia to the islands of the Pacific, the Marianas and the Marshalls and Guam, to the Philippines, Thailand, Okinawa, Korea and across Eurasia to Afghanistan and India. America has hung a noose around the neck of China. This is not news. Silence by media; war by media.
In 2015, in high secrecy, the US and Australia staged the biggest single air-sea military exercise in recent history, known as Talisman Sabre. Its aim was to rehearse an Air-Sea Battle Plan, blocking sea lanes, such as the Straits of Malacca and the Lombok Straits, that cut off China's access to oil, gas and other vital raw materials from the Middle East and Africa.
In the circus known as the American presidential campaign, Donald Trump is being presented as a lunatic, a fascist. He is certainly odious; but he is also a media hate figure. That alone should arouse our scepticism.
Trump's views on migration are grotesque, but no more grotesque than those of David Cameron. It is not Trump who is the Great Deporter from the United States, but the Nobel Peace Prize winner, Barack Obama.
According to one prodigious liberal commentator, Trump is "unleashing the dark forces of violence" in the United States. Unleashing them?
This is the country where toddlers shoot their mothers and the police wage a murderous war against black Americans. This is the country that has attacked and sought to overthrow more than 50 governments, many of them democracies, and bombed from Asia to the Middle East, causing the deaths and dispossession of millions of people.
No country can equal this systemic record of violence. Most of America's wars (almost all of them against defenceless countries) have been launched not by Republican presidents but by liberal Democrats: Truman, Kennedy, Johnson, Carter, Clinton, Obama.
In 1947, a series of National Security Council directives described the paramount aim of American foreign policy as "a world substantially made over in [America's] own image". The ideology was messianic Americanism. We were all Americans. Or else. Heretics would be converted, subverted, bribed, smeared or crushed.
Donald Trump is a symptom of this, but he is also a maverick. He says the invasion of Iraq was a crime; he doesn't want to go to war with Russia and China. The danger to the rest of us is not Trump, but Hillary Clinton. She is no maverick. She embodies the resilience and violence of a system whose vaunted "exceptionalism" is totalitarian with an occasional liberal face.
As presidential election day draws near, Clinton will be hailed as the first female president, regardless of her crimes and lies – just as Barack Obama was lauded as the first black president and liberals swallowed his nonsense about "hope". And the drool goes on.
Described by the Guardian columnist Owen Jones as "funny, charming, with a coolness that eludes practically every other politician", Obama the other day sent drones to slaughter 150 people in Somalia. He kills people usually on Tuesdays, according to the New York Times, when he is handed a list of candidates for death by drone. So cool.
In the 2008 presidential campaign, Hillary Clinton threatened to "totally obliterate" Iran with nuclear weapons. As Secretary of State under Obama, she participated in the overthrow of the democratic government of Honduras. Her contribution to the destruction of Libya in 2011 was almost gleeful. When the Libyan leader, Colonel Gaddafi, was publicly sodomised with a knife – a murder made possible by American logistics – Clinton gloated over his death: "We came, we saw, he died."
One of Clinton's closest allies is Madeleine Albright, the former secretary of State, who has attacked young women for not supporting "Hillary". This is the same Madeleine Albright who infamously celebrated on TV the death of half a million Iraqi children as "worth it".
Among Clinton's biggest backers are the Israel lobby and the arms companies that fuel the violence in the Middle East. She and her husband have received a fortune from Wall Street. And yet, she is about to be ordained the women's candidate, to see off the evil Trump, the official demon. Her supporters include distinguished feminists: the likes of Gloria Steinem in the US and Anne Summers in Australia.
A generation ago, a post-modern cult now known as "identity politics" stopped many intelligent, liberal-minded people examining the causes and individuals they supported — such as the fakery of Obama and Clinton; such as bogus progressive movements like Syriza in Greece, which betrayed the people of that country and allied with their enemies.
Self absorption, a kind of "me-ism", became the new zeitgeist in privileged western societies and signaled the demise of great collective movements against war, social injustice, inequality, racism and sexism.
Today, the long sleep may be over. The young are stirring again. Gradually. The thousands in Britain who supported Jeremy Corbyn as Labour leader are part of this awakening – as are those who rallied to support Senator Bernie Sanders.
In Britain last week, Jeremy Corbyn's closest ally, his shadow treasurer John McDonnell, committed a Labour government to pay off the debts of piratical banks and, in effect, to continue so-called austerity.
In the US, Bernie Sanders has promised to support Clinton if or when she's nominated. He, too, has voted for America's use of violence against countries when he thinks it's "right". He says Obama has done "a great job".
In Australia, there is a kind of mortuary politics, in which tedious parliamentary games are played out in the media while refugees and Indigenous people are persecuted and inequality grows, along with the danger of war. The government of Malcolm Turnbull has just announced a so-called defence budget of $195 billion that is a drive to war. There was no debate. Silence.
What has happened to the great tradition of popular direct action, unfettered to parties? Where is the courage, imagination and commitment required to begin the long journey to a better, just and peaceful world? Where are the dissidents in art, film, the theatre, literature?
Where are those who will shatter the silence? Or do we wait until the first nuclear missile is fired?
Inside Panama Papers: Multiple Clinton connections (http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article72215012.html)
Bitka za New York. Ko li ce pobediti!?
T R A M P !!!
ha, ko sad ovo muti, Sandersovci ili Klintonovi
Voter-fraud allegations
About 54,000 Democratic voters "vanished from the rolls in Brooklyn," the New York Post writes. Other reports say more than 120,000 voters -- "whole city blocks," according to CNN -- have been affected.
http://www.oregonlive.com/today/index.ssf/2016/04/new_york_primary_live_updates.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/today/index.ssf/2016/04/new_york_primary_live_updates.html)
Jesi video !?
Yes, Bernie Sanders Will Become President. Hillary Clinton's FBI Investigation Isn't a 'Nothingburger' (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/yes-bernie-sanders-will-become-president_b_9726650.html?)
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Perhaps the greatest compliment paid to me recently was from a Boston Globe columnist who remarked that I must really be Andy Kaufman (https://twitter.com/speechboy71/status/719730133435813888). It's a compliment, first because Kaufman was a genius, and also because his genius rested in the absurd; almost like voting for a presidential candidate being investigated by the FBI. In 2016, the most qualified candidate according to smart Democratic strategists holds negative favorability ratings (http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/hillary-clinton-favorable-rating) in every single national poll. In 8 out of 10 national polls, Hillary Clinton's favorability ratings are negative by 15 points or more. According to recent CBS and NBS/WSJ polls, Clinton holds negative favorability ratings by 23 and 24 point margins (http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/hillary-clinton-favorable-rating), respectively. A progressive said to "get things done" won't be able to win the White House with such negative national ratings.
In contrast, Bernie Sanders is the only leading candidate with positive favorability ratings (http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/bernie-sanders-favorable-rating), and this has nothing to do with Clinton being more "vetted." Bernie doesn't need private servers and speaks to millions of people in open forums; Clinton is the antithesis of Vermont's Senator. It's not that people don't know about Bernie's controversies, it's that he simply doesn't have a penchant for controversy like his competitor. Unlike Clinton, Bernie Sanders can type an email without the FBI interviewing him or his associates.
Furthermore, I explain in my latest CNN International (http://www.snappytv.com/tc/1571174)appearance that Sanders is the best chance to defeat Trump, especially since Clinton could face DOJ indictment. I also discuss on CNN New Day (https://www.facebook.com/hagoodman.journalist/posts/219016788450444?notif_t=like) that Clinton's white privilege allows her to circumvent almost any scandal, even issues that Bernie Sanders couldn't survive politically.
In terms of stark contrasts between Clinton and Sanders, you couldn't find a greater example of two candidates who epitomize opposing value systems. While Bernie Sanders has electrified millions of voters by simply focusing on progressive ideals, Hillary Clinton can't even disclose a speech transcript, or hold a fundraising event without static noise machines (http://gawker.com/clinton-donor-confirms-presence-of-static-noise-machine-1770511652).
I explain why Clinton can't disclose Wall Street speech transcripts in the following YouTube segment (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZ7x3TOrWB8). In addition, I urge all my critics within the Democratic establishment to subscribe to my YouTube channel (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDB5XReUyyqt-FTNdkzFN-A)for comedy relief, because the fun it just beginning. Imagine the laughter after the FBI formally interviews Clinton and her top aides, and finally discloses the evidence found during a year-long investigation.
It's an honor to be viewed as Andy Kaufman by people who think Clinton is qualified to become president, in this bizarre world where glaring weaknesses are seen as strengths, and overt lies are viewed as simply smart politics. No doubt, when Clinton's national favorability rating soars from its current 56% (http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/hillary-clinton-favorable-rating) to perhaps 70%, after the FBI formally discloses its findings (with or without indictments, the media firestorm will hurt favorability numbers), my thoughts might be viewed as less amusing by devout Hillary supporters.
The smartest people in the room, the same pragmatists who've completely forgotten about the horrors of Iraq and Afghanistan, are also saying Hillary Clinton is not only qualified to run this country, but also that the FBI isn't serious in their year-long investigation. The great Charles Pierce of Esquire calls it a "nothingburger," (http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a43713/hillary-email-nothingburger/) and although he's a wonderful writer, I doubt he'd be as nonchalant if he were the subject of a year-long FBI investigation. I just hope that the illustrious TBOGG from Raw Story, a person who relished in bending the truth regarding my writing (especially my supposed "love" for a certain Republican, something that isn't at all true), will write a piece correlating FBI investigations and presidential qualifications.
All these savvy and astute political pundits apparently know the meaning of pragmatism, yet they'd never vote for a Republican with Clinton's record on foreign policy, Wall Street ties, and inability to perform a speech or type an email without scandal. Of course, when you're more interested in money generated for "down-ticket Democrats" than being correct on Iraq, or opposing the TPP and Keystone XL, then allegiance to a political party overshadows principle.
When you hear pundits critiquing Bernie Sanders for not helping "down-ticket Democrats," simply watch my YouTube segment (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zm2uVz64e-0)presenting the case for writing-in Bernie, if Clinton is the nominee. After two major wars, bailouts for banks that wrecked the economy, and racist campaign tactics (Clinton's 3 a. m. ad (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/11/opinion/11patterson.html), for example), voters have far greater concerns than loyalty to a political party. Democrats owe allegiance to voters, not the other way around, and Bernie Sanders has single-handedly altered this dynamic.
Nevertheless, Clinton and her top aides are scheduled to be interviewed soon, according to The Los Angeles Times (http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-clinton-email-probe-20160327-story.html) in a piece titled Clinton email probe enters new phase as FBI interviews loom:
Feral prosecutors investigating the possible mishandling of classified materials on Hillary Clinton's private email server have begun the process of setting up formal interviews with some of her longtime and closest aides, according to two people familiar with the probe, an indication that the inquiry is moving into its final phases... No dates have been set for questioning the advisors, but a federal prosecutor in recent weeks has called their lawyers to alert them that he would soon be doing so, the sources said. Prosecutors also are expected to seek an interview with Clinton herself, though the timing remains unclear...
The meetings also are an indication that much of the investigators' background work - recovering deleted emails, understanding how the server operated and determining whether it was breached - is nearing completion. "The interviews are critical to understand the volume of information they have accumulated," said James McJunkin, former head of the FBI's Washington field office.
If any other politician in American history were interviewed by the FBI, before an election, would you vote for this person?
This FBI email investigation is serious, it's not a joke, and I explain in this YouTube segment (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMbsWtPbwRA)why the FBI's reputation is at stake, and in this YouTube segment (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKmjcCUo_Ko)how Clinton views the FBI. It will likely derail Hillary Clinton's campaign, and ensure that humble pie and other less appetizing fare be served alongside the "nothingburger" establishment Democrats have consumed thus far.
Bernie Sanders currently defeats Republican challengers by a wider margin than Hillary Clinton. New York and the remaining primaries will help usher Bernie into the White House, but Clinton's FBI email investigation will force the DNC to rally behind Sanders. The establishment will concede, since Bernie Sanders is the only hope for Democrats after the FBI either recommends indictment, or highlights Clinton's "carelessness." (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-hillary-clinton-showed-carelessness-in-managing-emails/)
As a testament to the new definitions of "qualification" and "pragmatism," President Obama is quoted by CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-hillary-clinton-showed-carelessness-in-managing-emails/)addressing Clinton's "carelessness":
But, he added, "what I've also said is that — and she has acknowledged — that there's a carelessness, in terms of managing e-mails, that she has owned, and she recognizes." The use of a private email server by the former secretary of state is currently under investigation by the FBI. Earlier this year, the State Department said it had found 22 emails on Clinton's homebrewed server that had to be upgraded to "Top Secret," the highest level of classification. Those top secret documents were withheld from being publicly released along with the rest of her emails. With 22 Top Secret emails on a private server, in the basement of a private residence, "carelessness" is perhaps the best word to describe this fiasco.
Hillary Clinton is now only 1.4 points ahead of Bernie Sanders according to
Real Clear Politics (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_democratic_presidential_nomination-3824.html)national Democratic Primary polls, and I predicted this in a polling trajectory (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/polls-show-bernie-sanders-winning-the-democratic-nomination_b_8069452.html)article last September. With 1,045 delegates won (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/democratic_delegate_count.html), I also foreshadowed in numerous articles that Bernie would be battling this far into the primary. Nobody gave Sanders a chance, and while H. A. Goodman (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ha-goodman-bernie-sanders-blogger_us_56c7734be4b0928f5a6bcabc) might have been overzealous in some predictions, be sure to read those articles. They contain information on why such predictions were made, and I've been right on more things than most other observers.
Last year, Clinton stated (http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/10/politics/hillary-clinton-email-scandal-press-conference/)"I opted for convenience to use my personal email account, which was allowed by the State Department, because I thought it would be easier to carry just one device for my work and for my personal emails instead of two." If you think the FBI will believe this excuse, then thing again. Ultimately, the FBI's year-long investigation into Clinton's emails will hand Bernie Sanders the Democratic nomination and White House, and I'm one of the few progressives today stating this glaring reality.
Trump potukao rivale u matičnoj državi (http://www.jutarnji.hr/velike-pobjede-trumpa-i-clinton-multimilijarder-potukao-rivale-u-maticnoj-drzavi--hillary-primirila--zahuktalog--sandersa/1563636/)
Злоћко, кој ти је овај ТрУмп? Неки нови ђогат у трци за дугменцетом у коферчету и да се запљуне у историји пре него што га изеде рак?
sto se mene tice, bilo bi dovoljno da uvede malo (ili malo vise, nebo je granica) realnog nasilja nad svime sto nije veliki bijeli covjek i krscanin. :lol:
И Хрват, наравно.
Него, молт'е се ви 'рвати богу да ТрУмп не победи. Словенка му жена, има да предате на пладњу комплет Истру са све граничним подручијима до Загреба. А и ту су предграђа спорна...
zelis reci kako je pod uticajem kakve zene? onda nista, opet corak. ah, jedan je bio hitler, bog ga blagoslovio...
Nemoj biti isključiv. I tvoj Ante, Antišta dični, imao je ženicu, ne? I kak bi to zgodno bilo kad bi se dalo nekako zrihtati da je ona odgovorna za sve?
eto objasnjenja zasto srpskoj mitologiji nije dao nuzno potrebnu realnu podlogu. :cry:
иф ју кен мејк ит дер, јул мејк ит евривееер, итс ап ту ју, њујорк, њујооооорк!
Та та танана, та та танана! Трамп!
Хилари о ванземаљцима
"Hillary Clinton Is Making Big Promises To UFO Believers" - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2016/04/19/hillary-clinton-ufo-files_n_9738716.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2016/04/19/hillary-clinton-ufo-files_n_9738716.html)
Неееееееееееее!
Meet the "new" Donald Trump: He's reinventing his campaign — and that should terrify the Republican Party http://www.salon.com/2016/04/21/meet_the_new_donald_trump_hes_reinventing_his_campaign_and_that_should_terrify_the_republican_party/ (http://www.salon.com/2016/04/21/meet_the_new_donald_trump_hes_reinventing_his_campaign_and_that_should_terrify_the_republican_party/) v
Povratak nekom tom zdravom razumu? E, to je genijalan potez!
http://youtu.be/di9tnYEloW8 (http://youtu.be/di9tnYEloW8)
Znamo mi da nisu naprednjaci izmislili botovanje, tako da nas ovo ne iznenađuje:
BUSTED: Pro-Clinton Super PAC Caught Spending $1 Million on Social Media Trolls (http://usuncut.com/politics/clinton-super-pac-busted/)
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A Super PAC headed by a longtime Clinton operative is spending $1 million to hire online trolls to "correct" Bernie Sanders' supporters on social media.
Correct The Record (CTR), which is operated by Clinton attack dog and new owner of Blue Nation Review David Brock, launched a new initiative this week called "Barrier Breakers 2016" for the purpose of debating supporters of Senator Bernie Sanders — or "Bernie Bros," as they're referred to in Correct the Record's press official release (http://correctrecord.org/barrier-breakers-2016-a-project-of-correct-the-record/) — on Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, and other social media platforms.
The "Barrier Breakers" will also publicly thank Hillary Clinton's superdelegates and fans for supporting her campaign. The paid trolls are professional communicators, coming from public relations and media backgrounds.
"The task force staff's backgrounds are as diverse as the community they will be engaging with and include former reporters, bloggers, public affairs specialists, designers, Ready for Hillary alumni, and Hillary super fans who have led groups similar to those with which the task force will organize," CTR stated.
In a Reddit comments thread about CTR's new project, Reddit user and Sanders supporter /u/workythehand (https://www.reddit.com/user/workythehand), gave other commenters advice on how to identify and engage with one of David Brock's paid commenters:
The best tactic to use against "professionals" is to simply downvote and move on. The more you argue with them, the more likely people will read the astroturfer's posts.
Keep your eyes out for
very young accounts, repetition of phrasing and syntax (the same "Sanders only diagnoses the problem..." talking points, for instance) in every post, and rapid fire posting – 10+ comments in the span of a few minutes is a good indicator.
Libby Watson of the Sunlight Foundation told the Daily Beast (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/04/21/hillary-pac-spends-1-million-to-correct-commenters-on-reddit-and-facebook.html?via=mobile&source=twitter) on Thursday that FEC loopholes allow the Hillary Clinton campaign and David Brock's Super PAC to coordinate with one another, despite the Citizens United vs. FEC Supreme Court decision prohibiting a Super PAC's independent expenditures from going directly toward a particular candidate.
"It's not totally clear what [CTR's] reasoning is, but it seems to be that material posted on the internet for free—like, blogs—doesn't count as an 'independent expenditure,'" Watson said. She continued by addressing the unprecedented nature of the project.
She concluded with a damning assessment: "Campaign finance lawyers are not that impressed with [CTR's] logic, but they can get away with it because the [Federal Election Commission] is deadlocked and does nothing."
Watson also made note of the unprecedented and bizarre nature of the program, saying, "Usually places like MMFA and CTR are defending her against the media and established figures. This seems to be going after essentially random individuals online," she said. "I don't know that they've done anything like this before."
CTR boasts on its website (http://correctrecord.org/barrier-breakers-2016-a-project-of-correct-the-record/) that it's already "corrected" at least 5,000 Sanders supporters on Twitter.
Tom Cahill is a writer for US Uncut based in the Pacific Northwest. He specializes in coverage of political, economic, and environmental news. You can contact him via email at tom.v.cahill@gmail.com.
Ал ово је про ботовање, новинари, блогери, пр-овци... ова домаћа радиност тек у аматерским водама
Краљевски кад имаш милион долара и изтрампујеш твитер
Начи ништа више није свето!
http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=25389 (http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=25389)
Bato ovaj tvoj preso 1000 delegata mark :shock:
Drumpf!!!
http://www.salon.com/2016/04/29/a_liberal_case_for_donald_trump_the_lesser_of_two_evils_is_not_at_all_clear_in_2016/ (http://www.salon.com/2016/04/29/a_liberal_case_for_donald_trump_the_lesser_of_two_evils_is_not_at_all_clear_in_2016/)
(https://www.znaksagite.com/diskusije/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.breitbart.com%2Fmedia%2F2016%2F03%2FSusan-Sarandon-4-AP-640x480.jpg&hash=482e834deb5a154162d7224c37837bc046f4f636)
Susan Sarandon Prefers Donald Trump's Wall to Hillary Clinton's 'Moral Judgment'
http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2016/04/28/sarandon-prefers-trumps-wall-to-clintons-moral-judgment/ (http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2016/04/28/sarandon-prefers-trumps-wall-to-clintons-moral-judgment/)
Donald Drumpf forever!
http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/may-day/ (http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/may-day/)
napokon prave demonstracije.
Ма то је само Сијетл, град Ратибора Тривунца, док Тексас не каже хауди дуди сошлизм нема од тога ништа
http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/photos-from-2016-seattle-may-day/ (http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/photos-from-2016-seattle-may-day/)
Ted Cruz ends his bid for Republican presidential nomination (https://www.yahoo.com/news/ted-cruz-ends-bid-republican-presidential-nomination-004617944--election.html)
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INDIANAPOLIS (AP) — Texas Sen. Ted Cruz ended his presidential campaign Tuesday, eliminating the biggest impediment to Donald Trump's march to the Republican nomination.
The conservative tea party firebrand who cast himself as the only viable alternative to Trump announced his exit after a stinging defeat in Indiana's Republican primary.
"It appears that path has been foreclosed," Cruz told supporters in Indianapolis. "Together, we left it all on the field of Indiana. We gave it everything we've got, but the voters chose another path, and so with a heavy heart but with boundless optimism for the long-term future of our nation, we are suspending our campaign."
Cruz had already been mathematically eliminated from clinching the delegate majority in the state-by-state primary process, but hoped to force a contested national convention in July. That possibility ends Tuesday with the Texas senator's announcement.
Had he succeeded in his quest, Cruz would have been the first U.S. president of Hispanic descent, although he often downplayed his heritage on the campaign trail, instead, touting the need for tougher immigration laws, for a border wall along the border with Mexico, protecting gun rights, repealing President Barack Obama's health care law and instituting a flat tax.
Cruz argued he was the only true conservative in the race, building on his reputation in the Senate where he clashed both with Democrats and members of his own party over his ideological stubbornness. Cruz railed against what he called the "Washington cartel," trying to appeal to an electorate that is craving political outsiders.
But he ultimately couldn't compete with Trump's appeal among white, working class voters who were drawn to the billionaire's outlandish approach to politics.
Cruz's campaign placed its hopes on a data-driven effort to turn out conservative evangelical Christians who had opted out of recent presidential elections. Increasingly, he would modify his travel schedule to go where data showed there might be pockets of untapped supporters.
With the scale tipping increasingly in Trump's favor, he announced an extraordinary pact in April with his other rival, Ohio Gov. John Kasich, in which the two would divide their time and resources based on states where they were each poised to do better.
Days later, he prematurely named former Hewlett-Packard chief executive Carly Fiorina as his running mate, hoping it would woo some of the female voters turned off by Trump's brash rhetoric.
Trump's appeal to evangelicals, though, and the New York billionaire's popularity with the broader Republican electorate, proved too much.
Cruz, 45, worked on George W. Bush's 2000 campaign and went on to serve five years as the top attorney for the state of Texas, arguing nine cases before the U.S. Supreme Court. He parleyed that experience into an underdog run for the U.S. Senate, defeating the state's lieutenant governor in the primary before winning election in 2012.
He first burst on the national political landscape in 2013 when he led a 21-hour quasi-filibuster against President Barack Obama's health care law, reading his children Dr. Seuss's "Green Eggs and Ham" as a bedtime story via CSPAN during the marathon effort.
Cruz later teamed with the most-conservative members of the House to spark a government shutdown. It ultimately didn't accomplish any major Republican goals, but raised Cruz's national profile even more.
Cruz built a coalition of like-minded Republicans in Congress, as well as former presidential rivals — Fiorina, Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, ex-Texas Gov. Rick Perry and Sen. Lindsey Graham among them — but won only minimal support from his Senate colleagues.
Cruz's campaign slogan of "Trusted" was tarnished after he was forced to apologize to Ben Carson for falsely suggesting the night of the Iowa caucuses that the retired neurosurgeon was dropping out of the race. Cruz also abruptly fired his communications director a day before the Nevada caucuses for spreading a false story about Florida Sen. Marco Rubio disparaging the Bible.
Trump nicknamed Cruz "Lyin' Ted," and derided him as "unstable," "crazy," "a maniac" and "sick."
Trump also questioned whether Cruz's birth in Canada disqualified him to run for president, frequently threatening to sue him over the issue. He never followed through, but several suits were filed, including in Cruz's home state of Texas.
Cruz initially avoided attacking Trump, hoping that the former reality TV star's supporters would flow to him if Trump flamed out. As Trump's momentum grew with early primary victories, Cruz fought back and said Trump can't be trusted because of his past support for Democrats, abortion rights and same-sex marriage.
But it was too late.
Cruz was joined on stage with his parents, as well as by Fiorina and his wife, Heidi.
He made no mention of the Republican front-runner, vowing instead to continue his fight for liberty and for the Constitution.
vote trump! :)
that is america.
Haha, ovo je odlicno!! xwink2
(https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlf1/v/t1.0-9/13103522_1129283330498053_4488931831674497316_n.jpg?oh=581c8c78101d82392c35644275d876a2&oe=57B24545)
трамполишс!
Ај лајк трамп, ју лајк трамп, еврибади лајкс трамп, трамп, трамп, трамп!
Друмпф!
Uopste nisam ocekivala da ce Kruz da izadje iz trke. Bas sam se iznenadila malopre gledajuci vesti. Nista mi nije jasno :shock: .
sad samo da se nadamo da će bil da poživi bar dok kampanja ne prodje i HRC je out! :)
Moguće je da su pričali nasamo s Trampom, i da im je Tramp pokazao svoju drugu stranu, i da su zaključili da mogu da sarađuju s tom drugom stranom. Moguće je i da su se predali i da će prosto glasati za Hilari (ili Bernija, ali sve su manje šanse za to). Shvatili su da im ne može proći otimačina na republikanskoj konvenciji u julu.
Kampanje koštaju, i u jednom trenutku moraš da prekineš jer ne možeš ništa da dobiješ, a konstatno gubiš novac.
Kako je HRC out? Bolje Berni, ali kako?
ma berni nažalost nema nikakve šanse protiv HRC te odoh korak dalje: HRC vs Trump.
americi je potrebna žena predsednik al ne ova žena.
tako da je moj favorit trump, biće zabavniji od obame a sumnjam da će se išta menjati u američkoj, posebno unutrašnjoj, politici.
seattle je još napredan za ostatak amerike, pričam s narodom, većina ne misli da je trump loš izbor.
siromaštvo nezamislivo za evropu.
homeless naroda po ulicama u ogromnom broju.
obavezan (ukljucen) tip od 20% u svim restoranima.
sendvič na kiosku 8 $ + tip.
itd itd
у Сијетлу ако гласају Трампа то би био револуционаран прелом мозга, ја не знам за веће упориште Демократа
Но, има и она теорија да Демократе и не желе овај мандат, јер ће бити доста посраних потеза а 2020. Је важнија
sijetl je anarhija za ameriku al i jeziv inequity grad. tu su HQs mnogih kompanija, amazon, google, tu je gates foundation, etc.
convention center gde mi je kongres izgleda kao enterprise, park iza zgrade kao da si u elysiumu, izadjes ispred zgrade i vidiš 50 homelessa, sede, leže, stoje.
dobiće demokrate seattle al ne mislim da će biti ubedljivo kao prošlog puta.
Hours later, Cruz branded Trump utterly amoral and compared likened him to a character in the "Back to the Future" movies.
SEN. TED CRUZ: A caricature of a braggadocios, arrogant buffoon who builds giant casinos with giant pictures of him everywhere he looks. We are looking, potentially, at the Biff Tannen presidency.
Kasich je takodje napustio trku.
Bil O'Rajli objašnjava Stivenu Kolberu zašto republikansko biračko telo glasa za Trampa
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Fibonacci xrofl xfoht
икона, узор универзалне љепоте! Чиста душа, симетрија психичких и физичких карактеристика! Уберменш!
moj nereprezentativni uzorak kvazi prosvećenih belih amera: tokom dana svi redom su za hilari, al kako noć pada, sve im je milija ideja "zabraniti muslimanima ulazak u usa".
biće ovo huge trump victory.
http://www.politika.rs/scc/clanak/354680/Uloga-Monike-Levinski-u-izboru-predsednika (http://www.politika.rs/scc/clanak/354680/Uloga-Monike-Levinski-u-izboru-predsednika)
Улога Монике Левински у избору председника
"Републикански кандидат тврди да му лекције о поштовању жена не може давати ривалка која је уништавала љубавнице свог мужa..."
BRAVO!!!!!
прије неки дан рекли да ће Хилари да уништи Трампа међу женским гласовима, и онда се појави ово. Како ће да се крљају до новембра, поготово што Моника није једина.
Иначе, један лик којег знам отишао у Јуесеј прије десет година у врк ен тревл комбинацији, радио у неком градићу близу Њујорка, све супер амерички стандард и очајне домаћице. Једне вечери почео да мува неку црнкињу, црнци га ухватили и изгурали из клуба, он пјан поче насред улице да се дере нигерс, нигерс... нормално, покупила га полиција и да одмори мало иза решетака. Кад су га ставили у ћелију, спријатељили се с њим, нудили га ићем и пићем, нема гдје није јео и пио у бјелачком комшилуку. Јер само је реко оно што сви мисле
Hillary fights two battles as Bernie wins another Democratic primary (https://www.yahoo.com/news/hillary-fights-two-battles-as-bernie-wins-another-012609281.html)
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LOUISVILLE, Ky. — Hillary Clinton lost West Virginia Tuesday night to rival Bernie Sanders, continuing her slog through the Democratic primary even as she spent the past week fending off attacks from presumptive GOP nominee Donald Trump.
"Let me be as clear as I can be: We are in this campaign to win the Democratic nomination," Sanders told a crowd of thousands of supporters in Oregon Tuesday night. He predicted a string of wins in Kentucky, Oregon and the Dakotas over the next couple of weeks.
Clinton is fighting on two fronts. The former secretary of state has a near-lock on the Democratic nomination, but continues to lose states to Sanders, who hammers on her as a creature of Wall Street at his rallies that still draw thousands of supporters. Trump, meanwhile, now clear of any GOP rivals, has spent the past week directing all his considerable fire at her.
Trump's called her "Crooked Hillary" and resurrected his attack against Bill Clinton's past sexual relationships with women, painting Hillary as an "enabler" who wanted the women "destroyed." At a rally in Washington Sunday (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/05/08/trump_remember_this_when_you_see_hillarys_phony_paid-for-by-wall_street_ads.html), Trump said Hillary was playing the "woman card" to get support. "You know what? The women get it better than we do, folks. They get it better than we do. If she didn't play that card, she has nothing," he said.
Clinton gave several TV interviews the past week — more than usual for the candidate — and debuted her line of attack against Trump as a "loose cannon" who can't be trusted with the nation's security. She also rolled out a sweeping policy proposal in several stops in Kentucky on Tuesday, including a plan to provide federal grants and other assistance so that no family pays more than 10 percent of its income on childcare.
"Boy, do I think this presidential election has about the highest stakes that we've seen in a very long time," she told a fired-up crowd in Louisville Tuesday evening.
She playfully pushed back on Trump's "woman card" attacks. "I have never gotten a discount when I got to the cashier," she said. Clinton repeated her defense of Trump's woman card attack, saying that if caring about women's health means playing the woman card, then "deal me in!" The crowd shouted the words in unison with the candidate.
See the graphic: Where the Republican Party stands on Trump >>> (https://www.yahoo.com/news/where-the-republican-party-stands-on-trump-212357758.html)
Clinton didn't mention Sanders. The campaign's director of state and political engagement, Marlon Marshall, sent a fundraising email to supporters about the need to prepare for the general. The email included code visible to readers who received it on their phones. The coded message proclaimed, "Here comes the general."
But the Clinton campaign has been sucked back into the Democratic primary all the same, spending nearly $200,000 on TV ads in Kentucky's Democratic primary (http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/05/09/hillary-clinton-resumes-buying-air-time-for-ads/), which takes place next week. The ad buy is the campaign's first since April 26, when Clinton swept several Mid-Atlantic states and pivoted toward the general election. But Sanders refused to get on board with that plan. He won Indiana last Tuesday, and has vowed to continue to fight for every last vote in the primary, even threatening to contest the Democratic convention in July.
The campaign celebrated Clinton's primary ad buy. "If you're looking for a sign that the Clinton campaign knows this primary is far from finished, here it is," Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver wrote in an email to supporters earlier Tuesday.
Sanders would need to win every remaining state by unprecedented margins to beat Clinton in the delegate race at this point, making his chance of winning the nomination remote. But his continued wins pull Clinton away from the general election, where Trump is focusing all of his energy.
Slideshow: The campaign for Primary Day, May 10 >>> (https://www.yahoo.com/news/campaign-primary-day-may-10-120223500.html)
Trump recently seized on Clinton's town hall comments in March when she vowed to put coal miners out of business in favor of clean energy jobs. Last week, Clinton spent days on a tour through Appalachia apologizing for those remarks, and they most likely hurt her in West Virginia's primary.
Still, it's possible that by staying out of the general election fray, Clinton will appear to be taking the high road to voters, while Trump's more personal attacks may backfire, particularly among women. She continues to lead him in polls by wide margins in hypothetical head-to-head match ups.
Clinton hinted as much in an interview with reporters Monday (http://www.cbsnews.com/live/video/clinton-to-trump-i-wont-run-an-ugly-race/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab8e&linkId=24306559). "I'm going to let him run his campaign however he chooses," she said. "I'm not running against him. He's doing a fine job of doing that himself. I'm running my campaign."
ne smem ni da se nadam da bernie ima šanse da dobije na izborima :)
Nije ostalo dovoljno delegata. Jedinu šansu će imati ako Klintonovu uhapse u međuvremenu. Čak i ako se to desi, u DNC-u pričaju da će onda pozvati Džoa Bajdena da "spasi" stranku. Navodno je pristao.
Scenario koji će teško da se desi, ali ilustruje koliko DNC smatra Sandersa opasnim.
Zvrčka Sandersu bi bila monumentalna greška demokrata. Njegovi glasači bi onda glasali za Trampa.
U obe stranke pokušavaju da "spasu" stranke od samih građana i članova tih stranaka. Zanimljivo, a opet, ništa novo.
Zanemarljiv procenat njegovih glasača bi glasao za Trampa. Projektuješ.
Pa ne znam baš.
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/who-s-more-likely-beat-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-or-n570766 (http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/who-s-more-likely-beat-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-or-n570766)
Sanders ima dosta glasova mladih republikanaca i neopredeljenih. Ako nema Sandersa to ide Trampu. Ako bi neki padobranac uleteo umesto Klintonove i Sandersa onda bi pad podrške mogao biti i veći.
Сандерс не може да добије Трампа, енбиси је демократско легло, ниђе везе с истином нема
Републиканци не би гласали за Сандерса из простог разлога, лик је бивши комуниста троцкиста, који је писао есеје о томе да дјеца треба да шетају гола, и пропагирао слободну љубав
Нико то сад не спомиње јер републиканци једва чекају да га Демократе номинују, и онда да га поједу за доручак као "педофила" и комија
ne igra nikakvu ulogu hoce li trump pobijediti ili ne. ako ne izgubi sad, sutra ce. paralela london. jednostavno ne mozes formirati multi-kulti drustvo od kulture koja opstanak zasniva na humanizmu, vrednovanju svakog pojedinca, socijalnom, te crnackog plemena koje se tek nakoti, pa ako deset pojede lav, dvoje ce prezivjeti. izmjesteno u buducnost, u neprirodnom evolutivnom skoku, pri okolnostima humanizma, pleme nema prirodnog neprijatelja, a nece ni ko lemingi.
jedino ako trump obeca kako ce svaki glas bijelog starosjedioca u buducnosti vrijediti sto crnackih. i to uopce ne bi bila losa ideja.
Bernie nije komunista vec social democrat. Socijalisticka partija u Amrici pre prvog svetskog rata je imala platformu koja nije imala veze sa komunizmom.Tadasnji lider socialisticke partije Morris Hillquit je bio u konfrontaciji upravo sa Leonom Trockim koji se u to vreme nalazio u Njujorku. Tako nemoj da mesamo babe i zabe.
He has never been asked to account for his relationship with the Trotskyist Socialist Workers Party, for which he served as a presidential elector in 1980. At the time, the party's platform called for abolishing the U.S. military budget and proclaimed "solidarity" with revolutionary Iran. (This was in the middle of the Iranian hostage crisis.) There's been little cable news chatter about Sanders' 1985 trip to Nicaragua, where he reportedly joined a Sandinista rally with a crowd chanting, "Here, there, everywhere/ The Yankee will die."
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Imagine an ad drawing from the old Sanders essay "The Revolution Is Life Versus Death." First it might quote the candidate mocking taboos on child nudity: "Now, if children go around naked, they are liable to see each others [sic] sexual organs, and maybe even touch them. Terrible thing!" Then it would quote him celebrating girls who defy their mothers and have sex with their boyfriends: "The revolution comes ... when a girl pushes aside all that her mother has 'taught' her and accepts her boyfriends [sic] love." Finally, it would remind viewers that Sanders was one of 14 congressmen to vote against the law establishing the Amber Alert system and one of 15 to vote against an amendment criminalizing computer-generated child pornography. The fact that these votes were cast for entirely principled civil libertarian reasons is, in the context of a general-election attack, beside the point. (It's also beside the point that lots of people, myself included, have no problem with either child nudity or teenage sex.) It takes no special political insight to see that Republicans will try to make Sanders seem like a sexual weirdo.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/05/bernie_sanders_electability_argument_is_still_a_myth.html (http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/05/bernie_sanders_electability_argument_is_still_a_myth.html)
Ne znam da li je bilo. Rap pesma od Trampovih citata:
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Трамполишс! Гадалавим
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Wikileaks' Assange: Google Directly Allied with Clinton Campaign (http://www.infowars.com/wikileaks-assange-google-directly-allied-with-clinton-campaign/)
QuoteGoogle is "directly engaged" with the presidential campaign of Hillary Clinton, Wikileaks' Julian Assange stated during an international forum Tuesday.Speaking to the "New Era of Journalism: Farewell to Mainstream" symposium, hosted at Moscow's Rossiya Segodnya International Multimedia Press Center, the Wikileaks founder warned (http://sputniknews.com/world/20160607/1040951223/assange-clinton-google-deal.html) of the tech giant's close involvement with both Hillary as well as the Washington power structure.
"[Google] is directly engaged in Hillary Clinton's campaign," Assange said. "The chairman of Google, Eric Schmidt, set up a company to run the digital component of Hillary Clinton's campaign."
As reported by Quartz (http://qz.com/520652/groundwork-eric-schmidt-startup-working-for-hillary-clinton-campaign/) in late 2015, an under-the-radar startup known as "The Groundwork (http://thegroundwork.com/)" was funded by Schmidt "to ensure that Clinton has the engineering talent needed to win the election."
By utilizing "data analytics and digital outreach as vital ingredients that allow candidates to find, court, and turn out critical voter blocs," The Groundwork could significantly boost Clinton's exposure.
"Groundwork has been tasked with building the technological infrastructure to ingest massive amounts of information about voters, and develop tools that will help the campaign target them for fundraising, advertising, outreach, and get-out-the-vote efforts," the article states.
Assange went on to further build his case by noting the prevalence of Google power players that emerged in the former secretary of state's emails as well.
"We should understand that Google... is intensely aligned with U.S. exceptionalism... personally at the top aligned with Hillary Clinton's election campaign and almost certainly once Hillary Clinton becomes president, those people in Google, like Jared Cohen, will be placed into positions around the new Clinton presidency..."
Cohen, the founder of "Google Ideas," a foreign policy-focused think tank now known as "Jigsaw," was revealed in the email release to be collaborating with Clinton and media outlet Al Jazeera in an attempt to facilitate regime change in Syria.
"Please keep close hold, but my team is planning to launch a tool on Sunday that will publicly track and map the defections in Syria and which parts of the government they are coming from," Cohen wrote (https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/12166).
"Our logic behind this is that while many people are tracking the atrocities, nobody is visually representing and mapping the defections, which we believe are important in encouraging more to defect and giving confidence to the opposition."
Google's dominance over digital information, according to senior research psychologists, could even sway the election (http://fortune.com/2015/08/23/research-google-rig-election/) – a disturbing premise given the tech juggernaut's proclivity for Clinton.
"Through five experiments in two countries, they found that biased rankings in search results can shift the opinions of undecided voters by 20% or more, sometimes even reaching as high as 80% in some demographic groups," writes Fortune's Michael Addady. "If Google tweaks its algorithm to show more positive search results for a candidate, the researchers say, the searcher may form a more positive opinion of him or her."
Controlling the majority of the world's smart phones, Assange adds, raises even more serious concerns in light of the company's growing and monopolistic influence.
"Google controls 80 percent of the smart phone market through its control of Android and if you control the device itself – that people use to read – then anything that they connect to through that device you have control over as well."
Although the tech empire's political leanings are relatively well known, its ties to power are most obvious not in Clinton but in current President Barack Obama.
"Google has gotten into bed with the Obama administration in a very significant way," Assange stated. "It is the company that visits the White House more than any other – averaged once per week in the last 4 years."
As noted by The Intercept's David Dayen in April, between "January 2009 and October 2015, Google staffers gathered at the White House on 427 separate occasions."
"All told, 182 White House employees and 169 Google employees attended the meetings, with participation from almost every domestic policy and national security player in the West Wing," Dayen writes (https://theintercept.com/2016/04/22/googles-remarkably-close-relationship-with-the-obama-white-house-in-two-charts/).
Wikileaks, which has been targeted by Clinton continually for its release of sensitive documents, remains heavily engaged in the 2016 election – most notably with its searchable database (https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/) archive for over 30,000 emails sent to and from Clinton's private email server.
тако је и Рубио мислио да доака Трампу с микро дигиталним кастом кампањама. Заблуда!
Но, ово око Сирије показује да никако не треба гласати за вјештицу.
neće ameri uskoro imati ovakvog predsednika
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Амерички председници су (или су били) у масонерији (чак и у масонерији која је под језуитским утицајем попут ложе Игњацијо Лајола), и не може жена да буде председник јуесеја, већ то мора бити масон 33 степена.
Буде ли се десило да Хилари добије, знајте да је у питању огромна крађа гласова и да после тога мира бити неће, баба креће на Русију.
Neosporno sarmantan lik, Obama.
mislim, mene bas briga ko im je predsednik i nisam bila u fazonu Obame kad je to kod nas bilo moderno, jer sta me se tice Amerika ali mora mu se priznati harizma, lakoca s kojom komunicira itd.
stekla sam utisak da je mrznja koju konzervativni Ameri ispoljavaju prema njemu (socijalista, komunjara i sl) samo prikriveni rasizam.
toliko prikriven da ga ni neki Obamini hejteri nisu osvestili.
Чиме те је то шармирао Обама?
Бојом коже?
Причом како некад потлачени црнци дођоше до ситуације да дају председника?
Човеку је дискутабуилно порекло, има много нејасних ствари око њега, а ти говориш о расизму?
Rasizam je kljuc i veliki problem, to se ne moze negirati.
komentarisem klip koji je postavila lilit, ne kazem da je mene licno sarmirao, vec komentarisem njegov nastup (i generalno, ono malo nastupa koje sam uhvatila tokom godina)
no, bas volim sto su Amerikanci imali crnog predsednika, to je pravedno, logicno i normalno, a rasisti mogu da menjaju teze, zavaravaju sebe i druge i prosipaju demagogiju o komunjari na celu Jues ov Ej koliko hoce. Not buying it.
kako je njegovo poreklo diskutabilno, sta hoces da kazes?
Расно мешање је проблем а не расизам, расизам као термин је шифра за деловање против расно свесних белих људи.
Дискутабилно му је порекло јер има доста ствари које нису разјашњене у вези са тим, јер он није напрасно постао председник већ је за то место и за ово време спреман дуго година.
Расисти не заваравају себе већ отварају очи свима који симпатишу ратног злочинца Обаму.
Значи теби је симпа лик који је један од заслужних за се ово што се данас дешава јер је подржао свргавање и ликвидацију Гадафија, као и свргавање легалног изабраног председника Украјине - Јануковича?
Primeti da uopste nisam komentarisala njegove politicke odluke.
ja sam protiv americke spoljne politike u principu i uvek.
QuoteРасисти не заваравају себе већ отварају очи свима који симпатишу ратног злочинца Обаму.
govoris o americkim rasistima ili, sta znam, nekim tvojim drugarima :) ....posto ja govorim o americkim. nikome oni ne otvaraju oci po pitanju ratova i vojnih intervencija, niti ih briga za ratne zlocine njihovih predsednika; oni podrzavaju i kunu se u svoju vojsku i drzavne simbole. iz cega sledi da podrzavaju i opravdavaju i americku spoljnu politiku, politiku ratova i mesanja u unutrasnje stvari drugih zemalja.
Уместо да коментаришеш политичке одлуке и злочине до којих та политика доводи, ти се пецаш на Обамину боју коже. :lol:
Постоје и букачке "расистичке" организације које немају ништа са расизмом већ својим деловањем штете, јер расизам је љубав према својој раси а не мржња према другим расама.
Quote from: T2 on 10-06-2016, 13:28:56
Уместо да коментаришеш политичке одлуке и злочине до којих та политика доводи, ти се пецаш на Обамину боју коже. :lol:
Постоје и букачке "расистичке" организације које немају ништа са расизмом већ својим деловањем штете, јер расизам је љубав према својој раси а не мржња према другим расама.
Komentarisem ono sto zelim uz jasne ograde, nemoj sad da mi objasnjavas na sta se pecam i sta radim. ko da ja to ne znam.
raaaajt "rasizam je ljubav prema svojoj rasi"..... koja uopste ne ukljucuje netrpeljivost prema drugima.....raaaajt
Значи јасно ти је да је Обама само лутак-шутак са црном бојом коже који је постављен да би промовисао расно мешање и геноцид над белом расом?
Па него шта је расизам него љубав према својој раси?
Што се тиче нетрпељивости према другима - сваком по заслузи.
U Brazilu svi mešanci se vode pod belo, tako da se mešanjem u stvari sprovodi genocid nad crnom rasom, kad bi pojam rasa imao ikakvu osnovu u biologiji, kao što nema.
QuoteЗначи јасно ти је да је Обама само лутак-шутак са црном бојом коже који је постављен да би промовисао расно мешање и геноцид над белом расом?
Ne. Jer nisam rasista.
Ако расни закони дозвољавају 25 посто нерасне крви, онда се онај (или она) ко има четвртину нерасне крви ипак има сматрати расним примерком.
Тако је по расним законима и вероватно је такав вид закона примењен у Бразилу.
Иначе, кад се већ ватате за биологију, онда треба да се зна да припадник једне расе не може дати крв припаднику друге расе, без обзира што имају исту крвну групу.
Једноставно не постоји подударност, долази до одбацивања, јер су каснија истраживања доказала да нпр. црнци имају другачија крвна зрнца.
Нисмо исти, и немојте да потурате биологију као доказ да смо сви исти, јер вам биологија, у овом случају, никако не иде у прилог.
Quote from: T2 on 10-06-2016, 13:51:53
Иначе, кад се већ ватате за биологију, онда треба да се зна да припадник једне расе не може дати крв припаднику друге расе, без обзира што имају исту крвну групу.
Једноставно не постоји подударност, долази до одбацивања, јер су каснија истраживања доказала да нпр. црнци имају другачија крвна зрнца.
Pobogu zar opet ova, toliko puta dokazana neistina???
Myth Busters: Accepting Blood from 'White' Donors... (http://sicklecellwarriors.com/myth-busters-accepting-white-blood/)
QuoteThere is a huge misconception about this blood thing and since we get blood often, it's important for us to sort out the truth from fallacy.MYTH: Black people should accept blood transfusions only from other Africans/African-Americans because of the increased risk of adverse reaction from blood of other races...after all, with bone marrow transplants (which makes the blood), you do need a perfect racial match, so therefore blood needs a perfect racial match as well.Bone marrow and blood are not the same thing in fact, as you know, they are completely different. Bone marrow matching is based on HLA antigens. A bone marrow transplant is like an organ transplant. These are more complicated to test for and more complicated to find donors for because HLA antigens are gotten from DNA. Genetically, my HLA type would not be the same as a white person, because it's kinda like DNA. My bone marrow wouldn't even match another random person with dark skin: but could only match a sibling, offspring...or maybe someone from my village. This is why it's so difficult and people are on the list for YEARS and can't find donors, especially interracial patients.
Regular blood matching is usually a broader type of matching. There are only 4 possibilities, your blood type is either A, B, O or AB.(https://www.znaksagite.com/diskusije/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fsicklecellwarriors.com%2Fwp-content%2Fplugins%2Fwp-special-textboxes%2Fimages%2Falert-b.png&hash=967ac4e0054610ecefcb9b121dc90c2bf4084d78)The only possible thing that distinguishes your blood from someone else in your blood type are proteins called antigens or antibodies. There are so many antigens and antibodies. It is different from PERSON to PERSON, irrespective of race. However, there are certain antigens that are specific to black people, Jewish people, Latin American people, or white people. There are different antigens specific to all people born in North America, that might not be in people born in Australia.
For example; the Dossy antigen is ABSENT in Africans living in Africa; but PRESENT in Blacks living in the USA. White people have the presence of Dossy A or Dossy B. With black people originating predominantly in tropical areas, the malaria parasite attacks the Dossy Antigen, so Africans born and living in Africa genetically developed the immune response of getting rid of the Dossy Antigen. Dossy is a clinically significant antigen because if you give the blood of a white person to a black person, they will get Dossy A or Dossy B. As a result, African Americans mostly have Dossy in their bloodstream whereas straight Africans do not. I live in Oregon, and it's predominantly a white population, so I've gotten tons of 'white' blood. This means that although I'm straight African, I also do have Dossy A and Dossy B antigens because I've gotten so many blood transfusions.(https://www.znaksagite.com/diskusije/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fsicklecellwarriors.com%2Fwp-content%2Fplugins%2Fwp-special-textboxes%2Fimages%2Falert-b.png&hash=967ac4e0054610ecefcb9b121dc90c2bf4084d78)If you get a transfusion and you are given an antigen that you do not have, your immune system will create antibodies to take out the foreign antigens or absorb them into your system. This makes your blood type more and more unique and a great collection of antibodies and antigens. As a result, those that get chronic blood transfusions have several antigens and antibodies that can make it difficult to get a 'standard' match.The point is this: On the blood in the laboratory, they don't write," this is White blood" or this is "Black blood". Blood is blood, it is a rare, beautiful commodity that should be graciously accepted from the wonderful donors who decided to let a random person stick a big needle into them every couple of months to give the gift of life to us. Blood is treated the same, and processed the same: the Red Cross doesn't look to see whether the person is Black or White. The only reason it is taking so long to match your blood is as a result of having gotten multiple blood transfusions, your body has developed multiple antigens and antibodies.
In the blood bank, there is no racial consideration, the choice is based strictly and solely on your blood type. So settle down, relax and breathe easy. Getting 'white' blood is not going to kill you but only make you stronger.
Uzgred
Quote from: T2 on 10-06-2016, 13:41:40
Па него шта је расизам него љубав према својој раси?
Čak i srpska wikipedija ima korektnu definiciju koja odgovara na to pitanje:
QuoteРасизам се односи на веровања и праксу код којих се сматра да постоје урођене и карактеристичне разлике између одређених група људских (https://sr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A7%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%BA) бића које се могу мерити хијерархијски. Последица расизма је социјална (https://sr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BE%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%98%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BC), политичка (https://sr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0) и економска (https://sr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%95%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%98%D0%B0) предност једне групе људи у односу на другу.
Dakle, "koje se mogu meriti hijerarhijski". Dakle, rasizam je suprematistička ideja. Ljubav ne podrazumeva da smatram da je predmet moje ljubavi "objektivno" superioran u odnosu na druge predmete, jelte.
T2 mora da postane Sagitin prosvjetiteljski projekat
raspršiti sve naci iluzije, izboriti se sa predrasudama, pobijediti ekstremizam i propagandu, obrazovati divlji patritojotizam, napraviti od T2 ljudsko biće!
Pokažimo da možemo, da imamo snage, volje, znanja i hrabrosti!
yes we can
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^ hahaha, isto sam pomislila :lol:
vasa samopregorna, neplacena borba za boljeg T2 nece proci neprimecena i nepodrzana, al odoh prvo na more :lol:
"We are the Borg. Lower your shields and surrender your ships. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated."- у један глас изустише Дајбук, Мехо и Бата.
Задивљен сам вашим удруженим напорима да ме "апгрејдујете", али ја сам имун на све вирусе и тројанце које покушавате да убаците у мој систем. :lol:
Господине Крљићу, та маните ме са тим вашим нарученим текстовима који, попут статистика које често потежете, скривају све и не откривају ништа.
Да ли ви господине Крљићу можете да ми покажете нешто конкретно, попут неког видео снимка на коме је камером, у присуству сведока, забележена трансфузија крви, у којој је даваоц особа једне расе, а примаоц особа друге расе?
Сигуран сам да не можете на видело да приложите такав доказ.
:lol:
Тенк ју шејтан.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqALdkTArqs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqALdkTArqs)
Quote from: T2 on 10-06-2016, 19:01:10
Да ли ви господине Крљићу можете да ми покажете нешто конкретно, попут неког видео снимка на коме је камером, у присуству сведока, забележена трансфузија крви, у којој је даваоц особа једне расе, а примаоц особа друге расе?
Pošto se davanje i primanje krvi, kao što svi znaju ne izvodi tako što otvore jednog čoveka, nabiju mu crevo u venu pa natoče direktno u drugog, onda, zaista, takvih snimaka nema. Kao kad biste mi tražili da dokažem da HIV pozitivna majka može da rodi HIV negativnu bebu time što ću vam pokazati snimak u kome majka dobije HIV, zatrudni, nosi, rodi pa se radi test na bebi...
Значи нема снимка?
Нема снимка?
Значи нико никада није камером забележио трансфузију крви са особе једне расе на особу друге расе?
Па-па господине Крљићу, јер то што нема таквог снимка може само да значи да се тако нешто није у пракси никада ни догодило.
Нико неће да ризикује да снима двоје-две-двојицу како умиру у мукама од згрушавања крви.
И сад, није њима до двоје или двојице или две који ће да умру, побили су они много више људи од то двоје-две-двојице, него је ствар у томе што би смрт у мукама учесника овог експеримента оборила причу о томе да смо сви исти.
Quote from: Meho Krljic on 10-06-2016, 14:04:51
Dakle, "koje se mogu meriti hijerarhijski". Dakle, rasizam je suprematistička ideja. Ljubav ne podrazumeva da smatram da je predmet moje ljubavi "objektivno" superioran u odnosu na druge predmete, jelte.
Господине Крљићу, да сте некада чули или практиковали традиционалну Србску изреку
"Ко није за себе, тај није ни за друге", онда би свакако знали о каквој љубави се ради.
Nema apsolutno nikakvog razloga da milioni doktora lažu narod, kad su sigurno neki od tih doktora veći rasisti i od tebe.
Мејк т2 грејт аген!
Иначе, то што прича Т2 односило се на црнце који примају крв бијелаца, а не и обрнуто, што значи да су бијелци прљави.
То јест, чак и да је прича тачна бијелци у причи имају покварену крв, а црнци су чиста раса.
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P.s. ne palite T2!
Који милиони доктора Мацо?
Како се не нађе ни један једини од толики мелеони дотура, па да сними камером експеримент и да га прикаже јавно?
Бато, у теби има најмање борговштине, те скоро да си убо поенту :)
Остави по страни упоређивање чија је крв чиста, а чија је крв прљава.
Поента је да крв једне расе не може да се меша са крвљу друге расе, јер расе нису исте.
Наравно да може, чак и у тој непровјереној гласини према којој се црнци разбољевају од бјелачке крви, уопште не важи обрнуто. То јест, бијелци могу да приме црначку крв.
Дакле, чак и да је гласина тачна бијелци могу да приме црначку крв, јер су црнци чистији, а бијелци су превише сексуално општили са животињама у прошлости.
Није то у питању, него су црнци слаби, не могу да поднесу ајншприц крви белога човека, па оверавају од чистоће крви, као наркомани што оверавају од чисте дроге.
Него стварно, око овог снимка се не зезам.
Мислим, постоје снимци обдукције елијена (макар сви билии лажни), ал не постоји никакав снимак, ни прави ни лажни, у коме се види како се врши трансфузија крви са особе једне расе на особу друге расе.
Не постоје ни снимци Срба у Винчи, Индији и Јапану.
Бијелци су познате клицоноше. Преносећи болести сатрли су и америчке Индијанце. Бијелци имају имунитет јер су дуго општили са животињама па се развила отпорност на болести.
Не постоје ни снимци наводне сеобе Словена....
Међутим, у 21. веку је недопустиво да нас неко убеђује да је могуће да на врби рађа грожђе, а да притом ту калемљену врбу нико није видео, нити постоји било какав снимак грожђа које на врби наводно рађа.
Такав је случај и са овом причам ти причу причом за неук пук.
У 21. веку не постоји никакав снимак трансфузије крви са особе једне расе на особу друге расе, само зато што је таква трансфузија неизводљива и сваки покушај исте се завршава смртним исходом.
Ако је неко полно општио са животињама, конкретно са мајмунима и мајмуницама, то су црнци и црнкиње.
Тако су и фасовали сиду.
кажу да се сида појавила прво у Конгу, који је био њемачка колонија, тако да су уберменши то одрадили
То на страну, Мехов линк је већ доказао да је писац текста црнац који је примао трансфузије од бијелаца, тако да ту нема шта да се дода
Kongo je bio belgijska kolonija :)
Не чуди ме што је борг Бата као "доктор" историје пао на Конгу, а још мање ме чуди што борг Бата шири стари спин да су Иберменши смућкали сиду у лабораторији како би уништили јадне црнце и још јаднији педере и лезбејке.
Кривац за ненормалност једног дела свецке популације се морао наћи.
Наиме, са једне стране црнци и црнкиње су полно општили са мајмуницама и мајмунима, док су са друге стране истополници и истополнице такође противприродно општили.
И шта се деси кад неко ради против природе?
Природа тада узврати ударац.
Тако је настала сида, као одговор природе на противприродно општење црнаца и црнкиња са мајмуницама и мајмунима, као и на противприродно општење истополника и истополница.
Нешто касније се сида проширила на такође противприродне бисексуалце и наркомане.
Међутим, шта се дешава?
Уместо кампање против сваке противприродности, дешава се да се одједном појављују спинови по којима сида није одговор природе на противприродно понашање црнаца, црнкиња, педера и лезбејки, већ је сида шатро настала у лабораторији, од стране Иберменша, са циљем да би се уништили јадни црнци и јадне црнкиње, још јаднији педери и још јадније лезбејке.
Како да не, само ви радите против природе и окривљујте Ибременше за све шта вам се дешава.
Мехов линк није доказао ништа.
Колико је о неупокојеној души доказала моја прича о левитирању покојникове тољаге, толико је о могућству успешне трансфузије крви са особе једне расе на особу друге расе доказао Мехов причам ти причу линк.
С тим што левитирање тољаге нисам видео сам, већ у присуству још пар сведока, а Мехов линк ни сведока нема.
Према томе, ја тражим само један једини видео снимак.
Ништа друго.
Ако сам гледао човека на Месецу, робота на Марсу, олују на Сатурну итдитд онда не видим у чему је проблем, па да за овако осетљиво расно питање не постоји демант у виду снимка трансфузије крви са особе једне расе на особу друге расе.
Не постоји снимак јер је таква трансфузија неизводљива без смртног исхода.
Корвине, пардипуперу! Дио данашњег Конга додуше јесте био њемачки, Белгија је држала 90%.
Али само си дао простора Т2 да паметује, бикоз ју хејт ми, рајт, и нећеш да направиш Т2 грејт аген
Но, читава поента је што у храмовима у Индији постоје "снимци" илити слике општења бијеле расе са животињама, тако да је то хиљадугодишња пракса уберменша, коју Т2 покушава да сакрије.
уберменши у акцији
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Добро је да су индијски храмови сачували ове снимке за Т2
Где ти овде видиш Иберменше?
Чак и данас бијелци опште са животињама, црнци и друге расе готово никад. Одеш у неко српско село, послије пар чашица би ти признали да бар неки лик у селу воли краве или овце
Наравно да су то Аријевци на сликама, не приказује се обична раја у храмовима
Ма јесте, калајисани су жртве Иберменша, и калајисани никако сиду нису добили јер су полно општили са мајмунима.
У твом завичају можда неко и дан данас мрчи козе.
Ништа ме не би чудило.
Наравно да су приказани припадници друге расе а не бели Аријевци.
Или теби ове наказе са широким носевима и дебелим уснама можда личе на Иберменше?
Eh da su samo krave i ovce...
Kakvih sam se priča naslušao kao klinac i čega se nagledao.
Stariji komša koji je čuvo kokoške mi objašnjava: ''Vidiš sinko, ponekad kokoške po ceo dan leže i samo zauzimaju gnezdo ovim drugim vrednim kokama. Postoji jedan način da proveriš da li joj treba vremena da snese jaje pa zato leži po ceo dan ili se samo prenemaže.''
Gurnu čojek kokoški prst u kolaku i muljao je par sekundi unutra uz namigivanje i priču kako je toplo unutra i na kraju kaže, evo ova nema ništa, do'vati je za krilo i zavrljači preko plota.
E sad da li ovaj zoopeting rade i crnci ja ne znam, ali sam lično prisustvovao ovome...
Ali reći da crnci rade protivprirodni blud, a belci ne je baš onako neiskusno trolovanje od strane T(rol)2.
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Изгледају како треба, ео Аријевке широког носа
Уосталом, Кришна је Аријевац
https://lh4.ggpht.com/IaRv6NB2bWkqBIn9JwPBwB1wyxTvB0gb0MtgZiBQ0_EGpqum0Bt3a3LScoStuZ_WQw=w300 (https://lh4.ggpht.com/IaRv6NB2bWkqBIn9JwPBwB1wyxTvB0gb0MtgZiBQ0_EGpqum0Bt3a3LScoStuZ_WQw=w300)
Тако да сва твоја дромбуљања падају у воду, овако су Аријевци изгледали прије 5000 година
Можда након мијешања са неандерталцима им се мало сузио нос
pa dobro je poznata činjenica da ima mnogo devojaka koje vole da fantaziraju o seksu sa psima i konjima, mladim dečacima i matorcima i svojim očevima, i ako pas krene da jebe devojku očigledno je da mu se sviđa što bi to bilo protivprirodno
protivprirodno bi bilo kad bi muškarci jebali pse i konje to već ne podržavam i nije u skladu sa mojim moralnim načelima
a životinje mogu da jebu koga hoće i muškarce i žene svejedno je
Ео клем је примјер перверзног Аријевца
Давно сам ти на другој теми објаснио како стоје ствари са Кришном и осталим божанствима који представљају само индијску ИНТЕРПРЕТАЦИЈУ Аријевских божанстава.
Узгред, ово су Аријевци, а не оне округлоглаве широконоснате дебелоуснате негроидне наказе без браде које Батица жели да прогласи Аријевцима.
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Boze, Boze koliko mrznje! Neverovatno!
Nije to mržnja, već malo želje za pažnjom.
Mozda, samo sto se paznja moze zadobiti i pamecu a ne ovakvim nebulozama.
Mislim, kako drugačije objasniti veličanje zoološke kategorije, rase naspram kulturno istorijske kategorije. Čovek kao životinja biološki determinisana krvlju i anatomskim sastavom naspram duhu. Predistorijska kategorija viša od istorijske. Monopol ljudskosti stečen pasminom.
i sve to na stranu da je sve retardirano i nebulozno i lupetanje, trol žedan pažnje napaja se na sagiti...
xsmlove2
http://youtu.be/wqCpjFMvz-k (http://youtu.be/wqCpjFMvz-k)
Quote from: Palmer Eldrič on 11-06-2016, 12:49:04
E sad da li ovaj zoopeting rade i crnci ja ne znam, ali sam lično prisustvovao ovome...
Да ли је твој комшија због овога добио сиду?
Није.
Можеш онда само да замислиш шта су то црнци и црнкиње радили са мајмунима и мајмуницама, кад се због све те изопачености међу њима завргла сида.
Quote from: Palmer Eldrič on 11-06-2016, 12:49:04
Ali reći da crnci rade protivprirodni blud, a belci ne je baš onako neiskusno trolovanje od strane T(rol)2.
Да ли сам ја то рекао?
Нисам.
Само сам објаснио како се сида створила међу црнцима.
Створила се тако што су масовно притивприродно општили са животињама.
Да су којим случајем и бели болесници у Европи масовно противприродно општили са животињама, сида би се завргла и код њих, као што се завргла код болесних белих истополника и истополница.
Према томе, не проглашавај ме тролом, већ би ти било боље да пажљиво читаш написано.
Тражим од вас мултикулти боргова само један једини видео снимак (снимак трансфузије крви са особе једне расе на особу друге расе), и ви то нисте у стању да приложите, али тролате о мржњи и сличним глупостима са којима сакривате ваше незнање, необразованост и немогућност адекватног одговора на изазов који сам вам упутио (а који се односи на видео снимак).
Ne treba mi video snimak da vidim da si trol i prosipač magle. Šta god te uzbuđuje brt to je ok. Ako te uzbuđuje uverenje da se zato razvila sida i to je ok. Samo mislim da je poprilično retardirano za odraslu jedinku da piše to što piše.. ali rekoh ti šta god te uzbuđuje...
Али мени је само потребан један видео снимак, да би се се и ја и свако од нас уверио да ли јесте или није могућа трансфузија крви са особе једне расе на особу друге расе.
У 21. веку је недопустиво да таквог снимка нема, ако је већ наводно могућe такву трансфузију извести.
Једноставно, понављам 30 пута једно исто, и уместо да ми неко приложи снимак, ви се вртите ко вртимишеви.
Ма не, најбоље је да верујем да је сида створена од стране нациста у некој лабораторији са циљем десетковања црнаца, истополника и истополница?
То су приче у које одрасла јединка не треба да верује јер се тим причама прикрива права истина.
А тебе ако узбуђују нацисти који у Нојшвабенленду мућкају епруете са вирусима против црнаца и педера, то је твоја ствар.
Ali zašto se kao pijan plota držiš te gluposti? Transfuzija krvi se ne radi sa čoveka na čoveka direktno, ja to znam, ti to znaš, svi koji čitaju to znaju, zašto onda insistiraš da raspravu koja bi i mogla da ima interesantne momente baziraš na jednoj očiglednoj gluposti? Poštujmo malo vreme jedni drugima. :cry:
Ради се трансфузија и на такав начин, обојица то знамо.
Наравно, то су ектремни услови, рат, пољске болнице, и том виду трансфузије се понекад прибегава приликом хитних ампутација удова.
Међутим, у случају о ком говоримо - ја уопште не мислим на "претакање црева" како сте ви то сликовито описали.
Не постоји нити један снимак у коме се види како особа једне расе даје крв, коју затим прима особа друге расе.
Према томе господине Крљићу, ако не знате за такав снимак, онда тако лепо напишите и поштујте моје време.
Ако знате за такав снимак, онда га проследите.
Хвала.
Žao mi je što i daje insistiraš na besmislicama uprkos transfuziološkim mudrostima dostupnim svakom sa guglom.
Криво ми је што сте ми уместо видео снимка, који би одагнао сумњу, потурили линк са бомбастичним називом мит бастер, но за разлику од правих мит бастера који митове бастеришу пред видео камерама, овај наводни мит бастер само шкраба али не прилаже видео снимак као доказ да је бастерисао мит, према томе, мит није бастерисан.
Даље, то нису глупости, то је врло озбиљна ствар преко које ви прелазете здраво за готово.
Узгред, на нету се могу наћи разноразне неартикулације, попут ове:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVWfA8y0sws (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVWfA8y0sws) :lol:
једино нема конкретног снимка који би заиста демантовао приче о томе да је трансфузија са особе једне расе на особу друге расе - немогућа.
Што се тиче доктора на које ме упућујете, о томе смо већ причали на другој теми, доктори раде онако како им се наложи, па кад су болест скинули са листе болести, онда ће да причају и остале небулозе.
Već sam rekao da mi je žao što insistiraš na besmislenim tezama koje su pre mnogo vremena dokazane kao besmislene. Da je bar smešno, pa da se čovek, jelte, sprda sa celom pričom. Ovako kako jeste, ovo je kao da neko insistira da je genetsko nasleđivanje izmišljotina jer ne postoji snimak kako majka koja ima brkatog muža rađa brkato dete :cry:
Quote from: Meho Krljic on 11-06-2016, 18:08:46
Već sam rekao da mi je žao što insistiraš na besmislenim tezama koje su pre mnogo vremena dokazane kao besmislene. Da je bar smešno, pa da se čovek, jelte, sprda sa celom pričom. Ovako kako jeste, ovo je kao da neko insistira da je genetsko nasleđivanje izmišljotina jer ne postoji snimak kako majka koja ima brkatog muža rađa brkato dete :cry:
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Da li T2 može da objasni kako Amerikanci sa svojim mešanim društvom uspevaju da ne ubiju crnce prilikom transfuzije? Kakav sistem su napravili da svako dobije krv koja ga neće ubiti?
И ја опет кажем да ми је криво што за тобоже давно доказану истину нема никаквог доказа.
Мацо, да ли си некада давао крв, а да то нису били лабораторијски прегледи?
Чисто сумњам.
Јер да си давао крв, знао би да давање крви није исто што и давање сперме, и да се крв не даје анонимно, већ се попуњава упитник.
Врећице са крвљу су уредно обележене, зна се која се крвна група крви налази у врећици, па ти не треба никакав систем да већ обележену врећицу додатно обележиш ознаком расе.
Ето како не долази до смрти приликом трансфузије, јер како нико не даје погрешну крвну групу другој крвној групи, тако нико не меша крв једне расе са крвљу друге расе.
Šta još neću pročitati od T2, koliko je samo tema opoganimo svojim budalaštinama. Pa ti si čoveče gori Bata od Bate! I to jedno 10x sa tim tvojim šovnističko-rasisičko-zavereničkim teorijama. Ako već ne postoji sistem banovanja možda ne bi bilo loše da se napravi koncenzus da se njegove poruke jednostavno ignorišu. Ali za to treba imati discipline i složnosti.
T2=Bata
Ову тему је опоганио Бата са својим вређањем белаца и потурањем црнаца који полно опште са животињама за Аријевце.
Али нисам видео да је Труки нешто трукнуо против вређања белаца.
Evo, čak me i naziva "Truki" kao i Bata. Inače, ne pratim temu redovno i Bata mi je na ignor listi...
Usput, postoji li mogućnost da je T2 batin klon?
Бата је мој асистент у овом експерименту.
"poznacu te i po mraku..."
Have a nice weekend you all. Less/no hate, more/just love xflowy
WTF love? This is pure sex!!!
не бре, Т2 је Линкин, како не капирате
Posledice ovog eksperimenta su na izvolte svima koji slučajno nabasaju na ove trolovštine, čak i onima koji se ne razumeju u trolovanje. Trebalo bi skloniti posledice eksperimenta na deponiju. Ovo čitaju i deca!
Deca treba da se upoznaju sa posledicama mešanja čiste i nečiste krvi. Rasno pitanje je iznad dnevnopolitičkih tema.
A koje su posledice? To se ne vidi iz T2 komentara, jer je to sve laž. Problem je što je nama prezahtevno da opovrgavamo tu veliku laž. Ako deca mogu nešto da nauče to je da je lakše lagati nego držati se činjenica, kad ne znaš sve činjenice. Ali deca to već znaju, tako da ovde nema ničeg korisnig za njih.
Лец мејк блад трансфјужн грејт аген!
Quote from: mac on 11-06-2016, 20:47:54
Problem je što je nama prezahtevno da opovrgavamo tu veliku laz.
Онај Обама, што му мама бјелкиња, ја не знам како је уопште жив! Чију он трансфузију прима, бијелу или црну? :)
Na stranu Batino mešanje u kulture koje ne razume ;) , rekao bih da se može dokazati da je mešanje rasa najbolje za gene - u smislu otpornosti organizma na različite uslove. I bolesti. Tako je kod pasa, a tako je i kod ljudi.
Ti to poistovećuješ Obamu sa psom?
U kom smislu? :lol:
Quote from: Милош Бојанић on 11-06-2016, 20:57:39
Онај Обама, што му мама бјелкиња, ја не знам како је уопште жив!
Quote from: ridiculus on 11-06-2016, 21:24:34
rekao bih da se može dokazati da je mešanje rasa najbolje za gene - u smislu otpornosti organizma na različite uslove. I bolesti. Tako je kod pasa
Pa? To nije odgovor. Ne poistovećujem "ljude" ni sa drugim ljudima, a kamoli nešto više od toga. Kažem samo da je pojava univerzalna. Naravno, odredjena granica se ne prelazi, ali za nju će se pobrinuti sama priroda (u vidu izazivanja ili neizazivanja privlačnosti).
I što bi sve to bilo gore nego poistovećivati ljude sa brojevima?
Ili, ako je nekom lakše, dozvolite ispravku:
"Tako je kod bogova, i tako je i kod ljudi."
Ti to poistovećuješ Boga sa psom?
Ne, ali poistovećujem tebe sa Bat... ovaj, neozbiljnim.
I to je neko objašnjenje za tvoje nebuloze...
"Nebuloze" upravljaju funkcionisanjem sveta. Samo ih je nekad problem shvatiti.
Ofkors. Shvatanje kod tebe malo teže funkcioniše.
Evo, nek bude tvoja zadnja, kad si baš navalio...
Zato pokušavaš s tim jeftinim trikovima? Da moja ostane "zadnja"?
Sta se nacinje od teme :cry:
ridiculusa ne dirati, molim!!!
Quote from: mac on 11-06-2016, 20:47:54
A koje su posledice? To se ne vidi iz T2 komentara, jer je to sve laž. Problem je što je nama prezahtevno da opovrgavamo tu veliku laž.
Još gore, opovrgli smo je jednim linkom a on nastavlja sa sprdnjom i odvlači diskusiju na nivo obdaništa.
Quote from: Dybuk on 11-06-2016, 21:58:12
ridiculusa ne dirati, molim!!!
Koj ga dira? Nisam ja rekao da je Obama pas.
Hvala, Dybuk. Cenim, ali nema potrebe. Trenutno me nije lako dodirnuti. ;)
Stipan ne shvata da je on indirektno rekao da je i on sam pas, pošto se neki psi ne mešaju, kao i ljudi...
Ah ne, dragi moj Ridiculus... Stipan je vuk i ne meša se - baš kao što se ne mešaju neki psi, pa ni ljudi...
нека је неко и смора сморио, браво Стипане!
Ридикулинкин је посебан комад будале.
Quote from: Meho Krljic on 11-06-2016, 21:59:39
Quote from: mac on 11-06-2016, 20:47:54
A koje su posledice? To se ne vidi iz T2 komentara, jer je to sve laž. Problem je što je nama prezahtevno da opovrgavamo tu veliku laž.
Još gore, opovrgli smo je jednim linkom a on nastavlja sa sprdnjom i odvlači diskusiju na nivo obdaništa.
Нисте оповргли ништа тим линком.
Да се не понављам и да по ко зна који пут понављам зашто нисте, али ми је најсменије што си узео наводни мит бастер, а оно ни б од бастера.
Ако имаш видео - приложи га, ако немаш видео - онда ја имам предлог.
Ево ти нађи једног обојеног, а ја ћу да дајем крв коју ће он после да прими.
Ако преживи, плаћам клопу теби, а обојеном ти плаћаш; ако не преживи - ти га сарањујеш о свом трошку и ти читаш или молитву за упокојење или јасин суру за рахметли мује.
:lol:
Т, стварно си сморио, и људи су фасцинирани самом дилемом јеси ли трол или глуперда
Дакле, неспоран факат је да бијелци и црнци рађају дјецу заједно, да бјелкиња носи комплет црно дијете и рађа се здраво, а ти причаш глупости о трансфузији.
Комплет људско биће друге расе бјелкиња може да роди а као не може да прими крв од црног мужа, па човјече сабери се
Или остани фасцинантно глуп, јор чојс
Приликом оплођавања не долази до трансфузије крви.
Ја сам дао Мехи изазов, можеш и ти да учествујеш.
Ако ништа, бар ће неко у 21. веку да направи снимак који до сада није постојао.
Иначе, после силних бламажа које си правио, попут неразликовања Аријевца од негроида, ти најмање имаш права да било коме овде на форуму кажеш да је глуперда, јер ти не да си глуперда, него си 2 у 1, туперда и глуперда истовремено.
Мајсторе глупости, ако оплођавањем можеш сиду да добијеш онда вала од црнца можеш и думреш. Рећи да не можеш само крв да размјењујеш а сперму можеш хит је ретардираности.
Т глуп на трећи степен :)
Quote from: Милош Бојанић on 11-06-2016, 22:31:16
Ридикулинкин је посебан комад будале.
Bato, kamena ljudino, znam da ne možeš da zamisliš postojanje protivničkog entiteta koji ne sadrži Linkina u sebi - barem muškog - ali budi mali maštovitiji, i banuj ga nekako iz svoje svesti.
A bolje biti poseban vid budale od obične budale, makar i obrazovane, tako da sam još uvek u prednosti nad tobom, ako se kojim slučajem budem identifikovao sa tom gore pomenutom himerom iz tvoje mašte.
линкин је ту само духовна метафора, наиме, кад неко можда и није тотално глуп, ал просто није научио да размишља, и онда налапрда нешто небитно, то је "линкин"
Имате исти ментални склоп, нисам пајкан па да гледам у личне карте, само не бих да губим вријеме на људе који то не заслужују
Pa, ne brini, osećaj je obostran. ;)
Samo što ono što ti i ja smatramo "bitnim" su dva različita univerzuma.
Quote from: T2 on 11-06-2016, 22:42:42
Quote from: Meho Krljic on 11-06-2016, 21:59:39
Quote from: mac on 11-06-2016, 20:47:54
A koje su posledice? To se ne vidi iz T2 komentara, jer je to sve laž. Problem je što je nama prezahtevno da opovrgavamo tu veliku laž.
Još gore, opovrgli smo je jednim linkom a on nastavlja sa sprdnjom i odvlači diskusiju na nivo obdaništa.
Нисте оповргли ништа тим линком.
Да се не понављам и да по ко зна који пут понављам зашто нисте, али ми је најсменије што си узео наводни мит бастер, а оно ни б од бастера.
Ако имаш видео - приложи га, ако немаш видео - онда ја имам предлог.
Ево ти нађи једног обојеног, а ја ћу да дајем крв коју ће он после да прими.
Ако преживи, плаћам клопу теби, а обојеном ти плаћаш; ако не преживи - ти га сарањујеш о свом трошку и ти читаш или молитву за упокојење или јасин суру за рахметли мује.
:lol:
Mene stvarno brine da će ovo neko naivan da pročita i da pomisli da se krv stvarno daje i prima direktno. Još gore, da pomisli da bilo koja bela osoba može da da krv bilo kojoj beloj zato što su bele i da primalac nije ni u kakvom riziku. Ne ugrožavajmo naivne, prestanimo sa ovim glupiranjem.
Ти сматраш битним да моје маестрално очигледно троловање Т2 назовеш неразумијевањем нечије културе? Хвала ти ђе чуо и нечуо!
Ја ћу и од сада мислити да је дефиниција тролања стварање илузије неразумијевања, ал ти слободно настави да мислиш супротно и тотално погрешно :)
Што је најгоре, најбезобразније, и по чему могу да закључим да си комплетан лудак, јесте да мене поред живог Т2 споменеш да се мијешам у културе које не разумијем. Дакле, од почетка си ме пикирао јер си особа са дијагнозом, да није тако рекао би управо Т2 то што си мени рекао.
Но, по дијагнози сте, по свему судећи, слични.
Briga me za trolovanje, uspešno ili neuspešno, maestralno ili amatersko, ako druga kultura trpi. Nekoliko godina sam čitao sve o Indiji što mi je dolazilo pod ruku, i ne bih se usudio da kažem nešto tako konkretno kao što je, na primer, šta prikazuju reljefi u onom hramu, ko su tu Arijevci a ko Dravidi, ko psi a ko samozvani vukići - jer indijska kultura je kaljuga različitih rasa, jezika, religija i običaja, a pod tim ne mislim ništa loše po njih, već da ona čak i iskusne izučavaoce ume da povuče dole i ostavi nemoćnim.
Samo sam se zato i javio, jer misao zbog koje se vodi rasprava mi ne izgleda vredna rasprave, toliko je pogrešna. Uostalom, zar se ne računa ovo što sam napisao o rasama kao neki odgovor? Ti i ja imamo dugu istoriju raspravljanja ovde - zato mislim da ima smisla da tebe zovem po imenu, a sa T2 da raspravljam bez-lično.
Quote from: ridiculus on 12-06-2016, 00:00:28
Briga me za trolovanje, uspešno ili neuspešno, maestralno ili amatersko, ako druga kultura trpi.
И поред живог Т2 разулареног запишавања индијске културе ти си нашао моје троловање да прогласиш опасним по Индију?
Па ја ти стално говорим да ништа не капираш, само потврђујеш разлог због којег избјегавам да ти се обраћам, јбт ја морам да образлажем зашто неком бјелачком супрематисти који тврди нешто о доминацији Аријеваца у Индији ја поручујем да му Аријевци опште са животињама, и онда добијем несвето тројство бикитруманридикули, који ме схватише озбиљно
A to može da se tumači i kao moj stav šta je vredno rasprave a šta ne? Ali, ne, moram i ja da pokažem istu vrstu aktivizma i negiram svaku budalaštinu koja se napiše na forumu...
Kakva "rasa" nadljudi? Poenta nadčoveka je da je on izuzetan pojedinac, koji se izdvaja iz matičnog društva. Treba li svaka budala rodjena u idiotskoj porodici da se oseća povlašćeno zato što pripada odredjenoj rasi? Upravo to je ideal slabića, koji nema druge do da proglasi poželjnim one uslove postojanja koji njega uzdižu (jer ne može da se uzdigne na drugi način). Svaka priča o nadljudskoj ljudskoj rasi je takvo izobličenje već od starta da ne vidim poentu u njenom negiranju.
Pa dok mi ne vidimo poente deca čitaju bedastoće umesto da rade na svom nadčoveštvu
Nisu deca baš toliki idioti kao što nekoliko vas misli... Ono što vide u neposrednom okruženju uticaće mnogo više nego šta god da piše na nekom tamo forumu.
Osim toga, dok se vi raspravljate, ona će čitati i dalje, i čitaće i dalje, i čitaće... jer ova rasprava ne postaje kraća, nego duža. Ne vidim kako možeš da rešiš taj problem učestvovanjem...
Quote from: ridiculus on 12-06-2016, 01:43:28
Ne vidim kako možeš da rešiš taj problem učestvovanjem...
Ditto
Nije srBski ćutati...
Quote from: ridiculus on 12-06-2016, 00:34:00
A to može da se tumači i kao moj stav šta je vredno rasprave a šta ne?
Моје троловање вриједно расправе, то мора да је неки уврнути комплимент!
Сем што је проблем што ти то ниси ни препознао као тролање
Quote from: ridiculus on 12-06-2016, 01:43:28
Nisu deca baš toliki idioti kao što nekoliko vas misli...
Naravno da deca nisu idioti. Idioti su oni što izjednačuju Boga sa psom.
Jedino je stari, bezubi vuk Stipan pomenuo to izjednačavanje. Ja "Boga" nisam ni pominjao. Ako on stvarno misli (Stipan, ne Bog!) da me smori - kako Bata pogrešno tvrdi - onda mora da nastupi sa zubima, sa nekom jakom pričom, nekim argumentima - makar i pogrešnim. Ovako je ovo samo besno nadlajavanje, a ja imam pametnija posla od toga.
Praznine u tvom pamćenju su neverovatne.
Quote from: ridiculus on 11-06-2016, 21:24:34
Tako je kod pasa, a tako je i kod ljudi.
Quote from: ridiculus on 11-06-2016, 21:40:49
"Tako je kod bogova, i tako je i kod ljudi."
Stipane, bre, dovoljan je jedan učesnik ove diskusije koji se hvata za sitan detalj rasprave i onda se opsesivno bavi njime iako nije ni malo bitan za tu raspravu. Nemoj sad ti da budeš drugi.
Stipane, Bog i bogovi su različite stvari.
Ajd, zahvali se Mehu i ja odoh iz ove besmislice.
Quote from: Meho Krljic on 11-06-2016, 23:31:56
Mene stvarno brine da će ovo neko naivan da pročita i da pomisli da se krv stvarno daje i prima direktno. Još gore, da pomisli da bilo koja bela osoba može da da krv bilo kojoj beloj zato što su bele i da primalac nije ni u kakvom riziku. Ne ugrožavajmo naivne, prestanimo sa ovim glupiranjem.
Господине Крљићу, не лупајте глупости, и не бригајте ви бригу о наивнима, јер о наивнима има ко да брине, а ви читајте пажљивије:
Quote from: T2 on 11-06-2016, 16:18:02
Међутим, у случају о ком говоримо - ја уопште не мислим на "претакање црева" како сте ви то сликовито описали.
Не постоји нити један снимак у коме се види како особа једне расе даје крв, коју затим прима особа друге расе.
Quote from: T2 on 11-06-2016, 19:09:30
Врећице са крвљу су уредно обележене, зна се која се крвна група крви налази у врећици, па ти не треба никакав систем да већ обележену врећицу додатно обележиш ознаком расе.
Ето како не долази до смрти приликом трансфузије, јер како нико не даје погрешну крвну групу другој крвној групи, тако нико не меша крв једне расе са крвљу друге расе.
Уместо лажне бриге о наивнима, боље мислите о озбиљнима:
Quote from: T2 on 11-06-2016, 22:42:42
Ево ти нађи једног обојеног, а ја ћу да дајем крв коју ће он после да прими.
Ако преживи, плаћам клопу теби, а обојеном ти плаћаш; ако не преживи - ти га сарањујеш о свом трошку и ти читаш или молитву за упокојење или јасин суру за рахметли мује.
Quote from: Meho Krljic on 12-06-2016, 08:01:18
dovoljan je jedan učesnik ove diskusije koji se hvata za sitan detalj rasprave i onda se opsesivno bavi njime iako nije ni malo bitan za tu raspravu.
Културно би те подсетио да ти ово није бешједа о Дредпулу, па да ти овде одређујеш шта је битно и крупно, а шта небитно и ситно.
Оно на чему ја инсистирам је и више него битно, а ако ти не видиш због чега је то битно - онда је то твој проблем, и даља прича са тобом може имати сврхе само у два случаја:
Или приложи видео који тражим, или да правимо видео како сам предложио.
Осим тога ме ништа не занима.
Такође, културно би те опоменуо да прекинеш да мењаш тезе, и да не проглашаваш кривим мене што тражим један видео снимак, већ да кривицу пребациш на научну заједницу, јер она је била дужна да направи такав снимак.
Хоћете да вам поверујемо да смо сви исти, а немате снимак једне трансфузије?
То неће да може.
Иберменши знају зашто.
Quote from: Милош Бојанић on 11-06-2016, 23:03:56
Мајсторе глупости, ако оплођавањем можеш сиду да добијеш онда вала од црнца можеш и думреш. Рећи да не можеш само крв да размјењујеш а сперму можеш хит је ретардираности.
Патниче, ко оплођава јајну ћелију?
Крвно зрнце или сперматозоид?
Quote from: T2 on 10-06-2016, 13:51:53
Иначе, кад се већ ватате за биологију, онда треба да се зна да припадник једне расе не може дати крв припаднику друге расе, без обзира што имају исту крвну групу.
Једноставно не постоји подударност, долази до одбацивања, јер су каснија истраживања доказала да нпр. црнци имају другачија крвна зрнца.
Нисмо исти, и немојте да потурате биологију као доказ да смо сви исти, јер вам биологија, у овом случају, никако не иде у прилог.
Патниче, ту је све речено, ради се о другачијим крвним зрнцима а не другачијим сперматозоидима или јајним ћелијама, зато је трансфузија крви између црнаца и белаца немогућа.
Quote from: Милош Бојанић on 12-06-2016, 00:21:41
ја морам да образлажем зашто неком бјелачком супрематисти који тврди нешто о доминацији Аријеваца у Индији
Патниче, о надмоћи Аријеваца говоре и сами Индијци, а о неуспешном покушају цивилизовања дивљачких домородаца у Индији од стране Аријеваца говори и наша народна песма:
QuoteАл' говори Блажена Марија:
"А мој брате, Громовник Илија!
"Како не ћу сузе прољевати,
"Кад ја идем из земље Инђије,
"Из Инђије из земље проклете?
"У Инђији тешко безакоње:
"Не поштује млађи старијега,
"Не слушају ђеца родитеља;
"Родитељи пород погазили,
"Црн им био образ на дивану
"Пред самијем Богом истинијем!
"Кум свог кума на судове ћера,
"И доведе лажљиве свједоке
"И без вјере и без чисте душе,
"И оглоби кума вјенчанога,
"Вјенчанога или крштенога;
"А брат брата на мејдан зазива;
"Ђевер снаси о срамоти ради,
"А брат сестру сестром не дозива."
Quote from: Милош Бојанић on 12-06-2016, 00:21:41ја поручујем да му Аријевци опште са животињама
Патниче, није спорно што ти баљезгаш бесмислице, спорно је што приказе у којима негроиди Дравиди опште са животињама приписујеш Аријевцима.
Патниче, да би одиста своје баљезгање могао назвати називом
Quote from: Милош Бојанић on 12-06-2016, 00:21:41маестрално троловање
мораћеш још да се потрудиш, што би наши стари рекли: зелено си ти сине зеље, мораш још да једеш качамак и млеко; а што би ви млади рекли - мораш још да папаш чокомлеко и плазмицу.
Пси и патници лају, Иберменши пролазе.
Мајмуне несрећни, сида се налази у крвотоку а добија се без трансфузије. Твоја идеја људског тијела као система одвојених судова, тако да оно што је у сперми не доспијева у крв, управо је побијена. Ретарду.
Дебилчино, нисам рекао да се приликом трансфузије добија сида, већ да је трансфузија немогућа због другачијих крвних зрнаца.
Глуп, глупљи, најглупљи, иберглуп, Бата.
Несрећни линкине, много си глуп!
Патниче Оберглупи, данима фантазираш Линкина.
Јел ти добро патниче?
Ja tražim da nam T2 na Vikipediji pokaže potvrdu onoga o čemu on piše. Ako ima teoriju da postoji neka zavera zbog koje Vikipedija neće to da prikaže onda neka formuliše teoriju, razlog zbog kojeg teorija postoji, i navede ko u celoj ljudskoj populaciji učestvuje u toj zaveri. Ako zavera ne postoji, ali ga mrzi da pronađe na Vikipediji, onda će se smatrati da sve što priča je budalaština.
Nedostatak informacije je takođe nekakva informacija. Na Vikipedijinom članku o raznim tipovima krvi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_blood_group_systems) evidentno nema ništa o nekakvoj crnačkoj ili belačkoj krvi. Jer to ne postoji. Spominje se indijska krv, jer 4% Indusa ima taj neki specifičan antigen. Sve se svodi na te antigene, a kome to nije jasno nek se bolje informiše.
Т2 је тешки комад будалетизма, ридикули је за њега господин будиста
И то што кажеш, да кретен нађе снимак човјека који је примио крв друге расе и умро
Хахаха
Т2, дође ли ти гуљави какав род?
Nisam neki veliki vernik u teorije zavere, međutim ne bih se usudio da osporim postojanje i uticaj Bilderberg grupe. A na mainstream Blic sajtu tekst o njima i Trampu: http://www.blic.rs/vesti/svet/iza-zatvorenih-vrata-bilderberska-grupa-smislja-plan-kako-spreciti-trampa-da-postane/7gte4ts (http://www.blic.rs/vesti/svet/iza-zatvorenih-vrata-bilderberska-grupa-smislja-plan-kako-spreciti-trampa-da-postane/7gte4ts)
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziwYbVx_-qg#)
@Маца
Глупане, можеш ли ми на википедији показати изјаву Јасушија Акашија, дату у Хагу, у којој открива да су западни медији лагали да је пијаца Маркале гранатирана са србске стране?
Не можеш.
Глупане, можеш ли ми на википедији показати изјаву Робина Кука, дату непосредно пред "напрасну" смрт, у којој говори да је Ал Каида измишљена?
Не можеш.
Глупане, одјеби са википедијом јер је википедија прављена за необразоване попут тебе и Бате, који би године и деценије своје необразованости хтели да надоместе за једно поподне.
@Бата
Патниче, док ти у сваком другом посту патиш за Гулом, он те и не спомиње у свом тексту.
И Гул те је препишао, патниче.
Ali T2, moraš da budeš svestan da način na koji ti pokušavaš da polemišeš ne prolazi igde sem u obdaništu. "Jebo sam ti kevu" "Ne, ja sam tebi jebo kevu." I tako to.
Hoću reći, baš da se ne bi gubilo vreme na svakog ludaka ili trola koji nakon što ljudi koji se razumeju u materiju iznesu svoje mišljenje kaže "ali ja u to ne verujem, pokažite mi SNIMAK da je čovek nasto od majmuna!11!!", podrazumeva se da kada neko tvrdi suprotno od onoga što upućena zajednica misli, a za šta ta zajednica ima more potvrda sakupljanih tokom dugog vremenskog perioda, da se onda očekuje da taj koji tvrdi suprotno to dokaže pokazivanjem primera vrednih razmatranja istom strogoćom kojom su razmatrani materijali koji su doveli do preovlađujućeg mišljenja. Dakle, ako imamo s jedne strane imunologe i transfuziologe i razne druge ologe koji kažu "znate šta, transfuzija krvi ne može s bilo koga na bilo koga ali može sa odgovarajuće bele na crnu osobu i vice versa" i to podupre objašnjenjima koja su proverljiva, a sa druge strane nekog ko kaže "Ma, ne, sve je to laž", onda taj s druge strane treba da možda ponudi nekakve proverljive dokaze za svoju tezu inače troši svačije vreme.
Па шта је сад ово, још нема снимка чоека који умире од трансфузије?
Е мој глупандеру...
Шта није јасно смрадови?
xuzi xuzi xuzi
Ово вам је за Гула, пичке!
xuzi
Quote from: Милош Бојанић on 11-06-2016, 23:21:19
линкин је ту само духовна метафора, наиме, кад неко можда и није тотално глуп, ал просто није научио да размишља, и онда налапрда нешто небитно, то је "линкин"
Srećom, pa si ti naučuo da razmišljaš u toj meri da si mesecima branio drugi sezonu Detektiva koja je bila potpuno očigledno negledljivo đubre i zbog koje je serija ukinuta (nezvanično), kao što sam prorekao da hoće samo na osnovu trejlera. Pozdrav od pravog Linkina. 8-)
xrofl xrofl xrofl Gula konačno ima ko da osveti. Sagita se pretvara u revenge flick iz osamdesetih.
Inače, kad ga već pominjemo, primećuje se njegovo odsustvo ovde i žao mi je da smo došli do toga da bez njega divanimo umesto da se nekako svi vozdignemo iznad svađa & vređanja i zadržimo ovde ljude koji imaju znanje i volju da o njemu diskutuju....
Meni ne bi bilo mrsko da primim zasluge za Gulovo odsustvo, ali avaj! Trol2 ce morati da to vidi s Bobanom.
pa nek se Bobanu "sveti" 8-)
Quote from: Dybuk on 13-06-2016, 12:17:41
Meni ne bi bilo mrsko da primim
Примићеш и примаћеш и неће ти бити мрско.
Не помињи Бобаново име улудо.
Jesu to primeri nemizoginije kojom se ponosiš??? :shock:
Quote from: Trol2Не помињи Бобаново име улудо.
Boban, Boban, Boban!!!
8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)
Јбт линкине, колико налога имаш, Т2, трт мрт, пат реми, можда и патак пашко и ридикули, шта бре радиш човјече...
Да ли сам ја рекао шта ће то Дајбук да прими?
Охохо, стиго и патник Бата, таман на време да и он прими.
Не знам шта ће Бобан да ради, али ти си се свакако додатно срозао, ако имаш имало памети сам ћеш престати. Мир у свијету, медитација и те форе.
Taj rad. Odrasli smo ljudi.
Quote from: Meho Krljic on 13-06-2016, 12:13:25
Inače, kad ga već pominjemo, primećuje se njegovo odsustvo ovde
Primećuje se samo njegov
destruktivni uticaj na forum i gaženje po leševima da postigne cilj, tj. dok mu je Boban bio dobar, perfidno je birao trenutak kada će da ujede; sada kada je počeo da radi za Orfelin, prešao je u otvoreni napad i zato je banovan. Nema osobe koja ga zbog takvog ponašanja i takve izdaje ne bi banovala i uklonila iz vidokruga, ma kakav da je stručnjak. U Srbiji nije teško biti stručnjak, ali je teško biti kulturan, etičan, civilizovan i poštovati druge.
Verujem, Meho, da je vreme da prestaneš da diskutuješ sa T2 i da
podstičeš njegov destruktivni uticaj na forum (jer to i tebe čini destruktivnim), odnosno - vreme je da svi prestanu da mu repliciraju. Čovek se koristi vašim replikama da intenzivira trolovanje od samog početka. Masovni ignor, takvim trolovima je to najveća kazna. Veća od banovanja.
Quote from: Dybuk on 13-06-2016, 12:28:20
Quote from: Trol2Не помињи Бобаново име улудо.
Boban, Boban, Boban!!!
8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)
Могу да наведем 4-5 чистих примера твојих срања које си срала по форуму и могу и ја да позивам Бобаново име, али нећу.
Све се враћа све се плаћа децо, време је да то научите.
Бато патниче, љомберу козојебски ћу тек да срозам, да ћеш истовремено молити и Бобана да ме банује, и Гула да ти се врати.
Quote from: Meho Krljic on 13-06-2016, 12:36:02
Taj rad. Odrasli smo ljudi.
А-ха, сад кад сте осетили тврдо, сад смо сви одрасли људи?
А кад серете, лајате, тролујете сваки смисао неке озбиљне теме, онда нисмо одрасли људи?
Trol 2
Uopste ne sumnjam da mozes da navedes sta je ko pisao u bilo kom trenutku na forumu, u poslednjih deset godina.
jer si creepy stalker koji u svoje tefterce belezi ko, sta, kako kome i nemas izgleda drugog posla u zivotu. jezivo.
Quote from: Josephine on 13-06-2016, 12:36:59
Verujem, Meho, da je vreme da prestaneš da diskutuješ sa T2 i da podstičeš njegov destruktivni uticaj na forum (jer to i tebe čini destruktivnim), odnosno - vreme je da svi prestanu da mu repliciraju. Čovek se koristi vašim replikama da intenzivira trolovanje od samog početka. Masovni ignor, takvim trolovima je to najveća kazna. Veća od banovanja.
Verovatno si u pravu, ali eto, T2 je inače prilično fin kad sa mnom komunicira direktno pa se sve nadam da ga privučemo na svetlu stranu...
Quote from: Dybuk on 13-06-2016, 12:45:26
Trol 2
Uopste ne sumnjam da mozes da navedes sta je ko pisao u bilo kom trenutku na forumu, u poslednjih deset godina.
jer si creepy stalker koji u svoje tefterce belezi ko, sta, kako kome i nemas izgleda drugog posla u zivotu. jezivo.
Глупачетина која не зна думеси леба утриповала да је битна јер је на форуму добила простора да сере о еволуцијским разинама.
Значи глупачетино, кад год неком оћеш да придикујеш - сети се прво шта си срала пре тога, а затим се сети каква си јадница која не зна леба думеси.
xuzi
I posle Gula Gul!
Quote from: Србин Хамза on 13-06-2016, 12:29:25
Јбт линкине, колико налога имаш, Т2, трт мрт, пат реми, можда и патак пашко и ридикули, шта бре радиш човјече...
Samo ovaj.
Izvinjavam se svima koji su bezrazložno i nepravično optuženi da sam ja. Ali, ništa tu ja ne mogu, nepravično i sasvim bezrazložno banovan tako da je moj identitet sada plutajući predmet neosnovanih spekulacija. :(
Твој идентитет стварно јесте спекулација, јер никад се не зна шта ћеш бити ујутру, поподне или увече, гејмер, расиста, лингвиста, гуглатор свих лоших трудетектив ривјуа, стокер, силеџија, мизогин, манијак, чак и Д. другар и непријатељ. Оће то тако...
Ma, nema baš nikakvih kontraverzi oko mene... jedino siledžijstvo bilo je tvoje, u pokušaju da vadiš fleke i spasavaš uzdrmani ego, nakon što si se toliko ispalio oko druge sezone Detektiva... teško je reći četri reči "nisam bio u pravu", lakše je nedeljama plakati adminu da banuje Linkina :roll:
Vidi, vidi... Evo nama i Linkina....
т2 линкине, чим си зино слаго си и тако кроз читав пост. Знаш ти добро зашто си банован, због мене сигурно ниси.
De si Stipe, branioče radionice! :lol:
Bato, ako će ti biti lakše, evo sve ja lažem. Nije poblem šta ja tvrdim, kad je očigledna tvoja nemirna savest koliko me pošto-poto pronalaziš u svim ostalim učesnicima. Ne možeš da se pomiriš sa onim što si napravio, pa to ti je.
линкине, ако мислиш да мени није познато твоје напаствовање неких форумашица и још нека кривична дјела која си починио на форуму, па мислиш да ми подваљујеш срцепарајућу причу о мојој савјести, онда ипак јеси дибидус глуперда
Уживај док можеш, прекини више мене да смараш, нађи гуљавог па се играјте
линкине, ако мислиш да мени није познато твоје напаствовање неких форумашица и још нека кривична дјела која си починио на форуму, па мислиш да ми подваљујеш срцепарајућу причу о мојој савјести, онда ипак јеси дибидус глуперда
Уживај док можеш, прекини више мене да смараш, нађи гуљавог па се играјте
Quote from: Србин Хамза on 13-06-2016, 21:05:56
линкине, ако мислиш да мени није познато твоје напаствовање неких форумашица и још нека кривична дјела која си починио на форуму
Batali me tim pričama o nepostojećim forumašicama kojima se ni nicka ne zna, niti su ikad javno istupile. Prazna priča. Pri tome i vrlo glupa.
Ono što smo svi videli si ti i tvoje plakanje. Da nisi ti forumašica? :)
Quote from: Josephine on 13-06-2016, 12:36:59
...sada kada je počeo da radi za Orfelin, prešao je u otvoreni napad i zato je banovan. Nema osobe koja ga zbog takvog ponašanja i takve izdaje ne bi banovala i uklonila iz vidokruga, ma kakav da je stručnjak. U Srbiji nije teško biti stručnjak, ali je teško biti kulturan, etičan, civilizovan i poštovati druge.
Bravo, upravo se o tome radi, a ja na taj detalj skroz zaboravio. Sad kad pogledam unazad sve biva mnogo jasnije, jer čim su ga primili u tu izdavačku kuću promenio je pristup jer je po običaju pustio krila čim je video da mu Boban više ne treba. Uostalom ne radi tako on samo sa Bobanom no bukvalno sa svima, samo što ljudi to prekasno izvale, pa dosta raje i dalje misli da im je on pravi prijatelj i saradnik, a aj samo pokušajte da se distancirate od njega pa ćete videti šta će da vam se desi.
Na sličan način sam i ja prošao, dao sam ostavku na mesto admina na Cult of Ghoul blogu i blokiro ga na fejsu, jer logično nisam više hteo da sarađujem sa njim kad je u julu 2011. pregazio naš sporazum o punoj saradnji. Al' ja nisam o tome pisao javno niti ga blatio niti bilo šta slično, samo sam mu putem mejla rekao da ne možemo više da radimo zajedno i povukao se sa bloga u miru, na šta je on napisao onaj svoj prvi pljuvački tekst na blogu. Dakle nit sam ja njemu pretio nit bilo šta kako on sada plasira priča, pa je kao zato podivljao, nego sam reagovo sa pretnjama tek kad sam video taj bolesni tekst na blogu, na istom tom blogu koji sam pre toga 3 godine unazad uređivao svaki bogovetni dan, znači posvaljao fotke, sređivo HTML, ubacivao widgete i sve što treba, pa čak ga i napravio jer ovaj nije znao 2009. kako se to radi. Uostalom zamislite kako bi se vi osećali da pravite nešto 3 godine, da pomažete liku do maksimuma, i on na kraju na istom tom mestu pljulje po vama i to evo već po treći put, znači treći tekst je napisao o meni. I sad kad se setim da sam u svojim rukama imao DELETE dugme celog bloga te tri godine i da ga na kraju ipak nisam upotrebio, iskreno mi je jako žao, a evo i dalje me neki ovde prozivaju zašto sam tako brutalan prema njim i da treba da zaboravim na tu priču. Ali nema veze, sve će to doći na svoje, od karme još niko nije utekao pa neće ni on, može da ga čuva 300 "najboljih drugara" aka fanova, džaba mu sve.
Najveći problem sa njim je što on nema savest, dakle u njegovoj glavi ne postoje reči izvini i hvala a da to bude iskreno, zato se tako i ponaša surovo prema ljudima i nipodaštava ih i vređa. Dakle, kod njega nema osećaja griže savesti za počinjena dela, pa samim tim ni ne može da shvati da će sve to kad tad morati da mu se vrati. On zaista veruje da je el grande ličnost, veliki pisac i prosvetitelj, i da su svi drugi ljubomorni na njega, i stoga svaku kritiku doživljava kao napad na njegov lik i delo. Al' jbga, takvima je nemoguće objasniti da su u problemu, jer kad bi mu sad bilo ko prišao i rekao sve ovo NAJDOBRONAMERNIJE on bi ga ipak obeležio kao neprijatelja i učinio sve što je u njegovoj moći da se ta osoba ponizi i diskredituje. Dakle ti tripovi sa EGOM su zaista surovi, ali to nećeš znati kad je on u pitanju dok ne uđeš u konfrontaciju s njim, jer sad većini vas ovo moje pisanje deluje ko da sam prso, ko da sam zapenio pa ne znam o čemu govorim, ali zato su tu mnogobrojni drugi ljudi iz raznih sfera koji su bili s njim u sukobu i koji su mi potvrdili da nisam sve ovo istripovao, nego da je to nažalost jednostavno tako i kraj priče.
Znači lik je mali, patuljasti psiho, klasičan onaj sindrom niskih ljudi koji te svoje frustracije kroz život leče na razne načine, samo što je ovaj otišao u malo veći ekstrem misleći da će ga fanovi braniti do smrti dok on na drugoj strani ponižava i vređa ljude. Uostalom zamiste tog nišliju bez tih fanova spremnih na sve i razmislite dal' bi smeo da kenja ovako po ljudima? Pa nema šanse, bio bi miran i dobar ko bubica, a ovako stalno ima pratnju gde god da ode, i uvek ima bar jednu budalu u okruženju koja će da podmetne leđa za njega. Žao mi je samo što sam i ja bio jedna od tih budala tamo 2010. kada me je cimao da ga branim od nekog lika iz Beograda koji mu je pretio.
Druga stvar, za sve ove što i dalje misle da on tu nikakvo zlo ne čini no samo piše tekstove a kao sloboda je govora pa treba da ima to pravo, pa kao stoga nije u redu da ga se cima i preti, nek se zapitaju otkud baš tolika brojka ljudi koji su mu pretili do sad, kako to da su baš svi ti ljudi ološ a jedini on borac za slobodu? Pazi, da sam samo ja to radio pa i da se kaže da sam kreten koji je sklon nasilju, ali ovde se bre radi o ozbiljnim piscima, o ljudima koji iza sebe imaju i po više izdatih romana. Kako to da je takve ljude naterao da popizde i da mu prete, na koji način ih je isprovocirao do te mere da urade ono što inače nikad nisu radili do tad?
P
a bre sad kad pogledam, on nema koga nije pljuvao: književnika Zorana Živkovića, s tim što je njemu vređao i decu, pisca Dejana Stojiljkovića, Đorđa Bajića, Radmila Anđelkovića, scenaristu Dimitrija Vojnova, pisca i izdavača Bobana Kneževića, strip-scenaristu Marka Stojanovića, s tim što je njemu vređao i roditelje kod kojih je boravio u Leskovcu dok je služio vojsku, pa onda Miloša Petkovića od koga je posle bežao po Nišu, niškog repera Marconiera je nazvao cepankom i seljačinom a i ne poznaju se, Dejana Kostića urednika Pressinga itd.etc. jer zaista nema kraja tom spisku, i to sve najopuštenije javno tamo kod sebe na blogu. I realno ja sam bre tu najsitnija riba u tom moru plavom i realno skroz nebitan kad sad pogledam sva ova imena.Al' naravno da nisu svi reagovali na isti način, neki ga i dalje samo ignorišu, ali jbga ima i nas koji nismo taj tip ličnost da možemo da iskuliramo, da se izdignemo iznad situacije i nastavimo dalje ne osvrćući se, jer znam po sebi, mene neko kad bi tako prozivao na ulici zna se šta bi se desilo, al' ovako dobro sakriven u svojoj Niškoj Banji iza monitora on je uveren da mu niko ništa ne može, jer ko je lud da se cima čak u tu jebenu banju samo da bi njega jurio, aj da živim u Nišu pa i OK, to bi već bilo rešeno, ali ovako mi je nedostupan za bilo kakav razgovor uživo, jer kad bi razgovarali uživo ne bi mogao da vređa i da talasa, nego bi bio prinuđen da se izvini iako je to ubedljivo najveća muka za njegov EGO.
Još gore je što su neki ljudi zaista pomislili da mi jurimo da ga bijemo, pa čekaj, stani, valjda su videli na šta liči taj lik, pa njemu kad bi bilo ko šamar lupio on bi umro što od udarca što od straha. Nisam lud bre da robijam zbog budale pobogu. I zato i kažem da sam uveren da bi jedan razgovor uživo u četiri oka sve te stvari doveo u red, ali džaba i to kad uvek ima pratnju tj. tu svitu fanova koje vodi okolo naokolo sa sobom i koji su ko članovi neke sekte. Zaista ne kapiram kako neko toliko može da se loži na nekoga iako ga zna samo iz viđenja i iz ta dva romana što je napisao, šta im je to uradio pobogu? Koja je to taktika manipulacije i kupovine ljudi da ih do te mere pridobiješ za sebe? Nemam ideju zaista, u svakom slučaju se radi o jako zajebanom igraču, nema šta.
Znači dečko je ladno utripovao da je nedodirljiv u toj Niškoj Banji, al' naravno da je sve to iluzija, jer jednom je jedan niški pisac čak i uspeo da navata ali je ovaj toliko brzo bežao da nije bilo šanse da ga ovaj stigne, a ko bi rekao da sa onoliko kratkim nogama može tako brzo da trči, ja sam bre bio ubeđen da je skroz fizički nespreman onako rahitičan i zakržljao, kažnjen od maćehe prirode, al' očigledno da sam ga podcenio, a najgore je kad tako nekog podceniš jer onda može da te uvati u zasedu kad se najmanje nadaš. Uglavnom, svi ovi ljudi su na kraju digli ruke od njega jer su shvatili kolko je jadan, ali to su razumni ljudi, ugledni autori, a ja u tu grupu definitivno ne spadam, jer mene kad neko nagazi...ma bolje da ne pišem o tome, jer ovaj će iovako svaku moju reč da kopira kod sebe na blog kao još jedan dokaz u prilog teoriji kako ga svi mrze jer su ljubomorni na njegov grandiozan uspeh. Jbga brate, al' ja zaista ne vidim rešenje za ovo ludilo.
P.S. Ghoul u stvari laže da živi u Niškoj Banji, on živi u prigradskom naselju/selu koje se kolokvijalno zove Rampa jer je pored pružnog prelaza.
Ко га је јурио хахаха
Јбт која комедија од човјека, бед бој гули
:lol:
Sin je večeras u full fazonu.
Dejan Ognjanović. Pisac. Urednik. Doktor. Lord Tame. The Ghoul.
...sa Rampe. Pored pružnog prelaza.
xrofl
Quote from: Son of Man on 13-06-2016, 21:21:26
ali džaba i to kad uvek ima pratnju tj. tu svitu fanova koje vodi okolo naokolo sa sobom i koji su ko članovi neke sekte. Zaista ne kapiram kako neko toliko može da se loži na nekoga iako ga zna samo iz viđenja i iz ta dva romana što je napisao, šta im je to uradio pobogu? Koja je to taktika manipulacije i kupovine ljudi da ih do te mere pridobiješ za sebe? Nemam ideju zaista, u svakom slučaju se radi o jako zajebanom igraču, nema šta.
Секта прљавих.
Ко је прочитао истоимену причу - тај зна о чему се ради.
У питању је езотерија, докторово знање је велико.
Гул Живи!
Kakva slučajnost, današnji Gugl-dudl: https://g.co/doodle/fue28q
Nema nikakve veze s izborima u Americi, ali ima sa oftopikom o krvi.
Svaki pa i najsitniji detalj u tekstu je tačan, svi ljudi pomenuti u tekstu su kontaktirani i potvrdili su da ih je javno vređao i nipodaštavao, kao i sve ostale stvari koje je radio njihovim članovima porodice. Takođe, detalj sa Rampom je proveren kod čoveka koji živi u Nišu i koji isuviše dobro zna malog, jer ja sam do danas bio 101% ubeđen da on živi u Niškoj Banji, al' eto...čovek se uči dok je živ. Isto tako strip-scenarista Marko Stojanović koji malog zna sigurno najduže od svih nas, od 1997. godine, mi je rekao da mu je čak bio i na ispraćaju 1999. kada je išao u vojsku u Leskovac, pa pošto su bili jako bliski prijatelji tj. najbolji drugovi, pri svakom izlasku iz kasarne mali je dolazio u porodičnu kuću njegovih roditelja i tamo ručavao i obitavao. Sve to je mu je Guliša par godina kasnije uzvratio javno pljujući po njegovim roditeljima i njemu.
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Ako ovako lepo o njemu govori njegov najbolji prijatelj iz mladosti, šta onda da kažemo mi koji smo i bukvalno samo slučajni prolaznici u celoj toj priči? :mrgreen:
Čekaj malo... Petković je ganjao Gula po Nišu?... Da ga bije? Or what?
Očigledno mi je uspešno utekao i to na trkača. :mrgreen:
Baba Yaga & Bab Yaga are back, ko će kome dohakati, pitanje je sad? :lol:
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Bio bi red da se ove stvari ipak ne iznose u javnost, kao i ostalo što se trenutno radi po forumu.
To njemu reci, jer on je kopirao postove sa Deponije na svoj blog a ne ja.
Reći ću mu kad se vrati na Sagitu :lol:
Znači nikad? :lol:
Quotejer je po običaju pustio krila
A lepo kažu babe o onima koji visoko lete. :lol:
Čitam sad svu ovu prepisku i mislim se o tom kompleksu veličine. Jasno je da se iza svakog kompleksa te vrste krije uplašeno dete (u smislu - nezrelog i nedovršenog čoveka), pa mi uvek dođu smešni, a i tužni, ljudi koji umisle da su veličine. Jer, eto, kako se pokazalo, dovoljan je bio jedan ban-klik da se pokrene sva bura nerazrešenih ličnih problema, trauma i kompleksa kod tih i takvih veličina, a u formi skičećih i histeričnih tekstova, apdejtova na tekst, uvreda i komentara.
A trebalo je samo ispoštovati ruku koja je hranila ptiče dok nije poletelo. Mada ptiče nikada i nije stvarno poletelo. Samo je umislilo da leti...
Тинејџерке, бивер ов да гул!
Nego da se vratimo na topik. Sedmog juna u Kaliforniji je bilo glasanje (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_California,_2016) za predsedničke kandidate. Nedelju dana kasnije još nisu izbrojani svi glasovi vezani za demokratsku listu, i u narodu smatraju da se dešava neka prevara. Prosto nije normalno da Klinton vodi 56:44. Snopes kaže da je sve u redu (http://www.snopes.com/uncounted-california-ballots/), nema mesta panici, ni razloga za teorije zavere, ali ko nadzire Snopes...
Vidi stvarno! Pa ovaj topik je nazvan po nekakvim izborima! Ko bi reko!!!
Хвала Сандерсу што ради за Доналда!
Terminatore, jesi li pročitao "Arktička pradomovina Veda", Bala Gangadhara Tilaka, knjiga je objavljena kod nas krajem osamdesetih, sa predgovorom Dragoša Kalajića, ukratko, Tilak zastupa tezu da smo mi Arijevci poreklom sa krajnjeg severa, praktično iz predela oko polarnog kruga, i da su zapravo prve seobe krenule odatle?
Хрунди, зашто мрзиш сагиту? Не храни трола.
Нисам прочитао Тилакову књигу, мада ми је садржај јако добро познат (писана је у затвору, бави се старошћу и колевком индијске ведске цивилизације, од почетка на Артику пре око 12116 година и уништења у последњем леденом добу; насељавањем северне Европе и Азије од 8000-5000 године пне, настанком ведских химни итд).
Колико ми је познато Тилак је, тумачећи ведске химне, стварао теорију о прадомовини на далеком северу, и описивао је прадомовину као подручје у коме су живели богови и у коме је Сунце излазило и залазило једанпут годишње.
Тилакове идеје је разрадио H.S. Spencer, који је заратустријанске свете текстове протумачио на сличан начин као као што је Тилак учинио са ведским химнама, па је израчунао да су се Аријевци први пут појавили у поларном подручју 25.628 година пне.
Иначе, први који је начео причу о далеком северу био је Friedrich von Schlegel, који је истакао да су древни Индијци путовали далеко на север, где су поштовали свету планину Меру, за коју су веровали да представља духовно средиште света.
Такође је и Jean-Sylvain Bailly имао претпоставку да су древне културе Египта, Калдеје, Кине и Индије уствари наслеђе много старијег знања кога је поседовала древна и давно изгубљена надмоћна култура, која је живела на далеком северу.
Donald Trump Is Marvel's Newest Villain (http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a46404/donald-trump-marvel-villain/)
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Pa da, liberali i demokrate protiv našeg Trampa...vidim moraće da radi let-lampa :-|
Nego Meho, imaš li ti pojma da je danas Bajram? :shock:
http://youtu.be/s21zB7mcm8k
Kakvo je to pitanje? Naravno da znam.
vrhunsko trolanje
http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-36832095
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GFVKMTJUos
Ovo treba da bude...smešno...?...zanimljivo...?...edukativno....propagandno,,,šta...?
Jeb'te.....cela Amerika gomila morona...osim Jesse Venture i Snejk Plisskena....
bogovski poso
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Custom-Printed-Novelty-Donald-Trump-Toilet_60474669229.html?spm=a2700.7724857.0.0.ANyVRA
Ljkra
http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/what-pence-thinks-of-trump-campaigns-tone
pred kraj prvog minuta počinje
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/2016/05/28/all-the-celebrities-who-hate-donald-trump-and-why/
VS
http://www.amny.com/news/elections/celebrities-endorsing-republicans-donald-trump-ted-cruz-ben-carson-and-more-1.11000965
http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-celebrity-endorsements-2016-5
Čak Noris je uz Trampa!
Tramp pobedjuje!
Brus Li je potukao Čaka Norisa! ;)
Ali Čak je još uvek živ!
Siguran sam da bi demokratski pravnici umeli da dokažu da bi Li bio na njihovoj strani, da je živ. ;)
Ovih dana, dok sam razmišljao o izborima u Americi, pade mi na pamet jedna Čestertonova misao, napisana pre skoro sto godina, ali primenljiva i danas:
QuoteThe whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of the Conservatives is to prevent the mistakes from being corrected.
14-04-2015:
Quote from: Mileva on 14-04-2015, 17:28:49
Pratite li sta se desava?
u biti ne. ali primjecujem odredjenu shemu koju redovno prolazim "pred" izbore u americi jos od osamdesetih, kad neka nastavnica pitala slicno, pa se godinu poslije zacudio kako izbori jos uvijek nisu proslost. :roll:
narode, kad je vise ova budalastina, da sad ne guglam kroz tonu smeca. danke. :roll:
Osmog Novembra :-| :-| :-|
Za koga Mexan navija te se raduje?Moraš odabrat izmedju Klitorke i Trapavog, nemoj se provlačiš!? ;)
Ja evo odma za Trampa, mada ne očekujem išta dobro sebi od Amera ikad, al' čisto eto, nek nije ona ženska gamad.
Ma ja se radujem što znam tačan odgovor, inače ne navijam ni za koga, ja sam za razmontiravanje sistema koji postoji i koji omogućava ovakvu nepravičnu redistribuciju vrednosti i moći. :lol:
Opet se izvukao potvrđujući moju teoriju da je sve to nameštaljka a svaki precednik samo pajac vladara iz senke.
Ali vera naroda u demonkratiju se mora očuvati,eheeeee.....
Stiven Kolber tripuje
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXdn6yeAdPM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeEbzNUtTc0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yl5Kp675tDE
Moja bivša koleginica (well, preko proksija...) poručuje Trampu:
Cecile Richards to Trump: 'Women are going to be the reason you're not elected' (https://www.yahoo.com/news/cecile-richard-to-trump-women-are-going-to-be-the-reason-youre-not-elected-011126876.html)
QuoteEighteen years ago, then Texas Gov. Ann Richards charmed the Democratic Party from the 1988 convention podium, as she taunted the new Republican nominee.
"Poor George, he can't help it," she drawled about George H.W. Bush, "he was born with a silver foot in his mouth."
On Tuesday night, Cecile Richards, president of the Planned Parenthood Federation of America and Ann's daughter, chided another Republican nominee for what she called his "deeply disturbing worldview."
"Donald Trump has called women 'fat pigs' and 'dogs'," she said. "He wants to punish women for having abortions. And he says pregnancy is 'an inconvenience' for a woman's employer. Well, Mr. Trump, come this November, women are going to be a lot more than an inconvenience. Women are going to be the reason you're not elected to be president."
She spoke of Trump's opposition to services that Planned Parenthood provides directly, citing his pledge "to appoint justices who will overturn Roe v. Wade" and to cut funding that provides cancer screening and birth control. And Richards took aim at Trump's silence or criticism on women's issues in general: equal pay, affordable child care, paid family leave.
And she also remembered her mother. "Tonight, we are closer than ever to putting a woman in the White House," she said. "And I can almost hear mom saying, 'Well, it sure took y'all long enough."
Racist white supremacy bitches!
Why white woman!? Why not african-american women!? Or Pakistani, Chineese, Japaneese, Hindu, or even Native-American women?!
Y'aal damn redneck yella-belly,leg-spreadin',blabberin',loud-mouth bitches!!!
http://hr.n1info.com/a139737/Svijet/Svijet/Moore-Pet-razloga-zasto-ce-sociopat-biti-predsjednik-SAD-a.html
Hilari, jufajrd!
'DNC Hacker' Unmasked: He Really Works for Russia, Researchers Say (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/07/26/dnc-hacker-unmasked-he-really-works-for-russia-researchers-say.html)
QuoteThe hacker who claims to have stolen emails from the Democratic National Committee (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/07/25/fbi-suspects-russia-hacked-dnc-u-s-officials-say-it-was-to-elect-donald-trump.html) and provided them to WikiLeaks is actually an agent of the Russian government and part of an orchestrated attempt to influence U.S. media coverage surrounding the presidential election, a security research group concluded on Tuesday.The researchers, at Arlington, Va.-based ThreatConnect, traced the self-described Romanian hacker Guccifer 2.0 back to an Internet server in Russia (https://www.threatconnect.com/guccifer-2-all-roads-lead-russia/) and to a digital address that has been linked in the past to Russian online scams. Far from being a singly, sophisticated hacker, Guccifer 2.0 (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/21/is-this-the-secret-dnc-file-on-hillary-clinton.html) is more likely a collection of people from the propaganda arm of the Russian government meant to deflect attention away from Moscow as the force behind the DNC hacks and leaks of emails, the researchers found.ThreatConnect is the first known group of experts to link the self-proclaimed hacker to a Russian operation, amidst an ongoing FBI investigation (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/07/25/fbi-suspects-russia-hacked-dnc-u-s-officials-say-it-was-to-elect-donald-trump.html) and a presidential campaign rocked by the release of DNC emails that have embarrassed senior party leaders and inflamed intraparty tensions turning the Democratic National Convention. The emails revealed that party insiders plotted ways to undermine Sen. Bernie Sanders' presidential bid.
"These are bureaucrats, not sophisticated hackers," Rich Barger, ThreatConnect's chief intelligence officer, told The Daily Beast. In blog posts and in interviews with journalists, Barger said, Guccifer 2.0 has made inconsistent remarks and given a version of how he penetrated the DNC networks that technically don't make sense. (https://www.threatconnect.com/reassesing-guccifer-2-0-recent-claims/) For instance, the hacker claims to have used a software flaw that didn't exist until December 2015 in order to break into the DNC networks last summer.In an interview with Motherboard in June, the hacker also refused to speak in Romanian (http://motherboard.vice.com/read/dnc-hacker-guccifer-20-interview), another indication that he wasn't who he claimed to be.ThreatConnect also found that Guccifer 2.0 was attempting to mask his true location, in Russia, by communicating through an Internet service based in France. Such masking is not uncommon in government-sponsored operations, nor is it particularly difficult to accomplish.
The researchers concluded that Guccifer 2.0 is actually an "apparition created under a hasty Russian [denial and deception] campaign" (https://www.threatconnect.com/guccifer-2-all-roads-lead-russia/) to influence political events in the U.S. (The news site Vocativ was the first to report on these conclusions (http://www.vocativ.com/343010/guccifer-2-0-dnc-hack/?_ga=1.123425675.1251825798.1469552534), and Vocativ reporter Kevin Collier (https://twitter.com/kevincollier/status/757945580639387648) supplied some data to the researchers.)
"Maintaining a ruse of this nature within both the physical and virtual domains requires believable and verifiable events which do not contradict one another. That is not the case here," the researchers wrote in a blog post. By tracing Guccifer 2.0's Internet infrastructure, the researchers concluded he—or the group—is "a Russia-controlled platform that can act as a censored hacktivist. Moscow determines what Guccifer 2.0 shares and thus can attempt to selectively impact media coverage, and potentially the election, in a way that ultimately benefits their national objectives."
That finding matches the political motive (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/07/25/fbi-suspects-russia-hacked-dnc-u-s-officials-say-it-was-to-elect-donald-trump.html) that U.S. officials told The Daily Beast they have seen in Russia's hacking of the DNC. The FBI said on Monday that it was investigating the breach, which a growing number within the Obama administration believe was designed to embarrass Democrats, exacerbate tensions between Hillary Clinton and her former rival Bernie Sanders—as well as his voters—and ultimately to give a boost to Republican nominee Donald Trump.
On Tuesday, President Obama said that while the FBI is investigating (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/obama-dnc-hack-russia-226246), "experts have attributed this to the Russians" and that it was "possible" the leak was designed to help the Trump campaign.
Researchers from cyber security company CrowdStrike have publicly attributed the DNC breach to the work of two known Russian government hacker groups that have also targeted U.S. government agencies, the White House, and American universities. The tactics and techniques in those campaigns match up with forensic evidence gathered from the DNC breach.ThreatConnect's findings seem to underscore the extent to which the Russian government, at least initially, wanted to obscure its role in a so-called active measures campaign designed to cause mischief in the U.S. election, said Barger, a former U.S. Army intelligence analyst.But it's not clear where in the Russian government, or its sphere of influence, Guccifer 2.0 sits.WikiLeaks has not identified its source for the DNC emails, even though Guccifer 2.0 claims to have provided them. A representative of the anti-secrecy organization told The Daily Beast on Monday that they were "very pleased with this great scoop in data journalism," referring to the publication of the DNC emails. "Journalists at many outlets and the general public are all pitching in to understand this wonderful dataset which describes how the DNC really works. Our publication of leaked DNC emails and the many DNC hacks over the last two years are separate incidents and should not be conflated."
WikiLeaks didn't respond to Guccifer 2.0's claims or to accusations from U.S. officials in recent days that the Russian government orchestrated the leak to the group.In a Skype interview Monday with NBC News, Wikileaks founder Julian Assange rejected suggestions that the Russians were behind the DNC hack, saying the party's server security was so weak, it could have been hacked by various groups."The emails that we have released are different sets of documents to the documents of those [that] people have analyzed," he told NBC's Richard Engel. (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/wikileaks-julian-assange-no-proof-hacked-dnc-emails-came-russia-n616541)
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bljakpink
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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGqD8-a-REQ
:lol: xfoht
kako su se peglali 2008. a sad izbrisan sajt desperatehillary... ili bar ja ne mogu da ga nađem
http://www.ascandaladay.com/
Donald Trump doesn't humor any interruptions during his speeches—even if those outbursts are coming from an infant. During a rally Tuesday in Northern Virginia's Loudoun County, a baby in the audience started to cry. At first, Trump played the role of common-man politician, saying, "I love babies. I hear that baby crying. I like it." But as the dissatisfied infant kept making noise during Trump's attacks on China, the real estate mogul changed his mind. "Actually, I was only kidding. You can get the baby out of here," Trump said.
"I think she really believed me that I love having a baby crying while I'm speaking," Trump added incredulously. "That's okay, people don't understand."
@lrozen Whole exchange here. Ugh. pic.twitter.com/0j0vlRjj0A
— Jake Godin (@JakeGodin) August 2, 2016
The baby wasn't the only child making noise at Trump's event. As several reporters at the event noted on Twitter, a young boy in the crowd shouted a colorful anti-Clinton message.
A little kid is yelling "Take the bitch down!" when Trump mentions Hillary Clinton. A little kid. No more than 10, I would say.
— Sopan Deb (@SopanDeb) August 2, 2016
Čovek koji zarađuje od reality televizije ima negativno mišljenje o pornografiji:
Donald Trump signs pledge to crack down on Internet porn (http://www.pcworld.com/article/3102670/internet/donald-trump-signs-pledge-to-crack-down-on-internet-porn.html)
QuoteDonald Trump has pledged to crack down on Internet pornography via corporate partnerships and possibly establishing a federal commission on the harmful effects of pornography, a nonprofit said Monday.
While it appears to be coincidental, Trump's pledge comes a day after the New York Post's Sunday edition included a full-page nude photo of Melania Trump, his wife, on its cover.
Enough is Enough, a nonprofit dedicated to confronting online pornography, child pornography, child stalking and sexual predation, published Trump's signed pledge (http://enough.org/objects/EIE-prespledge-signedtrump.pdf) on Monday. Trump's opponent Hillary Clinton refused to sign the pledge, Enough is Enough said, though her campaign told EiE that she supported its goals.
The pledge Trump signed calls for preventing the sexual exploitation of children, better enforcing Internet obscenity laws, and recognizing that exposure to Internet porn is "deforming the sexual development of younger viewers."
"Preventing the sexual exploitation of youth online requires a multi-faceted holistic strategy with a shared responsibility between the public, industry, and government," Donna Rice Hughes, the chief executive of Enough is Enough, said in a statement. "The need for aggressive enforcement of existing laws and adequate funding for Law Enforcement to do the job is long overdue. For nearly two decades, bi-partisan government commissions, task forces, Internet safety groups, and researchers, who have recognized the significant risks associated with unfettered Internet access by youth, and have called upon the government and law enforcement to take aggressive action."
Why this matters: Pornography has been a wedge issue between conservatives and liberals for years. The Internet has made it simple to gain access to a vast variety of information, and there is no widely adopted mechanism for tracking or filtering illegal activities or images of those activities online. Trump appears to support the creation and implementation of those tools.
What Trump's pledge entails The five-point pledge calls for Trump and any other signee to agree to "aggressively enforce" existing federal laws to prevent the sexual exploitation of children online, including appointing an Attorney General who will make prosecuting those laws a "top priority."
Other points include "serious consideration" of a Presidential Commission to examine the "harmful public impact of Internet pornography on youth, families, and the American culture." Finally, the pledge commits to establishing corporate partnerships to implement viable technology tools and solutions to reduce the exploitation of children online. Trump's Twitter account, an unfiltered commentary on his thoughts of the day, hadn't mentioned the pledge at press time on Monday. Neither had Trump's Facebook account. Clinton's campaign could not be immediately reached for comment.
On Sunday, the New York Post published a nude photo (http://nypost.com/cover/july-31-2016/) of Trump's wife, Melania Trump, on its Sunday cover. Jason Miller, a senior communications adviser for the Trump campaign, appeared on CNN (http://money.cnn.com/2016/07/31/media/donald-trump-melania-new-york-post/index.html) and called the photos "a celebration of the human body as art."
"There's nothing to be embarrassed about," Miller said. "She's a beautiful woman."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMKFIHRpe7I
Melania Trump and the culture of cheating in Eastern European schoolsBy Monika Nalepa July 20
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/07/20/melania-trump-and-the-culture-of-cheating-in-eastern-european-schools/?tid=a_inl
QuoteOn Monday night at the Republican National Convention, Melania Trump, the wife of GOP presidential nominee Donald Trump, delivered a speech that contained lines that mimic a speech delivered by Michelle Obama as she endorsed her husband eight years ago at the Democratic National Convention. Roughly, two paragraphs, or one minute of Trump's speech, closely, almost verbatim resembled ones delivered by Obama.
Many have blamed the apparent act of plagiarism on the Trump campaign, which apparently decided not to use a speech drafted by two former speechwriters for President George W. Bush.
Melania Trump told NBC's Matt Lauer that she had written the speech herself. If we take her at her word, then it is helpful to look at the post-communist educational system that Melania experienced growing up in Slovenia. In that system, what is typically considered plagiarism or cheating was exceedingly common and even encouraged.
(For the record, Melania Trump has made no statements since delivering the speech, but the Trump campaign has denied the accusations of plagiarism, saying the similarity of phrasing was due to common themes.)
Although she did not complete her degree from the University of Ljubljana in Slovenia, she still obtained most of her education in the immediate aftermath of the fall of communism in Eastern Europe. The post-communist educational system at that time was a place where the line between original work and plagiarism was often hard to discern and the issue of intellectual ownership was never discussed.
Scholars who study plagiarism associate it with the dominant mode of learning. Learning via rote memorization, rather than the critical questioning of ideas, is more likely to lead people to appropriate others' intellectual work. If memorization is how academic performance is judged, students will do better when they merely replicate what they have learned.
Memorization was an important component of education in post-communist Europe. This was a legacy of communism, when the dominant subjects — Marxist Ideology, The Foundations of Leninism, The Fundamentals of Socialist Economics, and so on — could not be criticized in a classroom setting without raising the suspicions of the authoritarian secret police.
After the fall of communism in 1989, subjects like Marxism faded from curriculums, but the educational model developed under communism persisted. There was much memorization of historical facts and minimal debate about various theories. In part this was because the faculty and teachers were largely the same as during communism.
Another important element of the post-communist educational experience was the prevalence and acceptance of cheating. My own admissions exam to Warsaw University in Poland is a good example.
Roughly 200 students were packed into a lecture hall on Krakowskie Przedmiescie, the university's main campus. We had been assigned to one of three groups, each taking a different version of the exam. This meaning that I was answering a different set of questions than the students on my left and right. Moreover, 20 faculty and teaching assistants and faculty were proctoring the exam. In this context, cheating would risk your chance of getting into the university. But it was common. If someone asked for an answer, people would give it to them. My entrance exam was not an exception.
The very fact that college entrance exams were called for, merely two months after the standard test taken upon graduation from high school — the Polish equivalent of the SAT — suggests how widespread cheating was. Cheating on those high school exams was so prevalent that teachers themselves would frequently pass on the correct answers to their students to increase the students' chances of college admission.
How did does such a norm set in? First, cheaters weren't called "cheaters." They were called "borrowers" and were considered street-smart. Neglecting to study for an exam but passing it by whatever means possible was considered a greater achievement than passing the exam after careful studying the material. In fact, it was those who reported cheating who were ostracized and considered to be "collaborators."
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I left Eastern Europe more than 15 years ago, but I am skeptical that much is different. Culture changes slowly. As Grigore Pop-Eleches and Joshua Tucker argue,"You can take the boy out of Eastern Europe, but you cannot take Eastern Europe out of the boy."
So the potential to cheat remains great even now. A friend who graduated from my university seven years after me described how her cohort had their final theses scanned through anti-plagiarism software that only scans for content appropriated from the Internet. It cannot detect plagiarism of material available only in hard copy or not on the Internet.
Nor can it check for appropriated content that has been translated. For years now a popular format of courses at Polish universities is the Konwersatorium. The idea is to assign readings in a foreign language, typically German or English, and have classroom discussions and presentations on the readings, translated into Polish. Notes from these courses can easily wind up in summaries for thesis preparation and eventually land in the thesis itself. This form of plagiarism is made possible if not encouraged by the mode of learning.
To be clear, the provenance of the plagiarized portions of Melania Trump's speech remain unclear. Perhaps she plagiarized them directly, or perhaps the responsibility lies with Donald Trump's campaign staff. But if Trump herself was responsible, we can begin to understand the origins of the problem by looking at post-communist education. If plagiarizing is seen as "borrowing" and not cheating, then it makes the striking parallels between Melania's and Michelle Obama's speeches all the more understandable.
Monika Nalepa is an associate professor of political science at the University of Chicago.
AN OPEN LETTER TO THE EDITORS OF THE MONKEY CAGE BLOG OF THE WASHINGTON POST ONLINE EDITIONhttp://balkanist.net/an-open-letter-to-the-editors-of-the-monkey-cage-blog-of-the-washington-post-online-edition/
QuoteDear Editors,
We, the undersigned scholars, write this letter in response to the commentary by Monika Nalepa entitled "Melania Trump and the Culture of Cheating in Eastern European Schools" which appeared in the Monkey Cage blog on July 20th. Dr. Nalepa's text was not only appalling and prejudiced, but also poorly researched and completely unsubstantiated. Frankly, we wonder what purpose it served at all. Given the current political climate in the US, what would compel the Washington Post to publish a text which traces the origins of Melania Trump's egregious plagiarism to former socialist regimes? A text that makes an argument by calling on tired sweeping generalizations about a whole region of diverse countries, and insinuates that millions of people in Eastern Europe are backward, ignorant, and prone to cheating?
Sadly, we do understand the broad popular appeal of Dr. Nalepa's "insider" analysis meant to shed light on the reasons for Melania Trump's indiscretion. They resonate with her assumed readership not because they are new or the result of painstaking research into historical trajectories of education in particular countries or regions of Eastern Europe, but because they satisfy the very expectations of this audience. More than clickbait, Dr. Nalepa's insights sound "so true" because they combine some truth — the elements of a lived reality (attending schools in one of the countries of Eastern Europe) — with caricature-like tropes straight out of the McCarthy playbook. After reading Dr. Nalepa's musings, dozens of countries, respective histories, and geo-political and socio-political relations fade into one blurry, ahistorical and ageographical cultural no-place of "post-communist Europe." So we are left in shock, especially considering Dr. Nalepa's academic credentials and affiliations. We ask you to carefully consider our critique below.
1.
Let's start with the historical, geopolitical and cultural inaccuracies offered in the text. The first is Dr. Nalepa's faulty periodization. She writes "it is helpful to look at the post-communist educational system that Melania experienced growing up in Slovenia. In that system, what is typically considered plagiarism or cheating was exceedingly common and even encouraged." Melania Trump was born in 1970, meaning that she completed all of her elementary and high school education (and even some undergraduate studies) prior to 1989, commonly understood as the end of the so-called "communist era." It also means that what we are talking about is Melania Trump's communist-era education.
2.
It is a gross generalization to refer to "Eastern Europe" as if it were a single nation, and not a vast region with dozens of states, languages, histories, and relationships to "communism". To conflate the history of Yugoslavia (Slovenia, Ms. Trump's birthplace, was part of the former Yugoslavia until 1991), with that of, for example, the Czech Republic (then Czechoslovakia), Bulgaria, the Soviet Union, or Albania, is to erase any trace of the specificities of each of these countries, their histories and their intricate experiences of "communism," or to be more accurate, different iterations of socialism and/or communism. Yugoslavia, in its post WWII period was in fact, not a part of the Warsaw Pact. After being expelled from the Cominform in 1948, Yugoslavia developed an alternative form of socialism, generally understood as more open to the West. Yugoslavia was also a founder-state of the Non-Aligned Movement. This makes Slovenia's form of socialism, its political, social and cultural system quite different from the other communist countries of Eastern Europe.
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Dr. Nalepa singled out the University of Ljubljana. We want to emphasize that this university is renowned for producing some of the best and most critical work in theories of socialism, political science, sociology, history, and critical theory. To argue that Melania Trump's decision to plagiarize was a result of her education at this university is not only ill-informed, but it serves to undermine the work of countless scholars and teachers in the region, and also supports the ideology of Western supremacy in matters of politics, education, and even moral consciousness. What Dr. Nalepa did in this text is what Edward Said, many years ago, called Orientalism (ironically, Said taught at Columbia University, where Dr. Nalepa earned her PhD). Her text contributes to a long-standing discourse in which Western nations (and their scholars, journalists, politicians and others) feel entitled to proffer reductive generalizations about an already marginalized and colonized region. Said was using the term to describe the way that the Western colonizers constructed a tangled scholarly discourse about the Middle East to accompany actual colonizing efforts. The same discourse is found in the way Western scholars, journalists and others speak of "African nations" or the "African continent" when referring to political, economic or cultural issues specific to particular nations. This same construct happens with Eastern Europe, but because of its proximity to the West, the final assessment of East European racial identity (and here, again, in forms of sweeping generalizations) is as "white but not quite" or "European but not quite," as some scholars have argued. Drawing on Said's work, Bulgarian historian Maria Todorova has aptly referred to this orientalization of the Balkans in particular, and Eastern Europe in general, as Balkanism, a view of the Balkans as "[g]eographically inextricable from Europe, yet culturally constructed as 'the other'" and especially, as uncivilized.
A fitting example of such a discourse has recently reared its ugly head in post-Brexit Britain, as many in the UK have blamed Polish immigrants and other East Europeans for the poor state of the UK economy. Rising xenophobia and racism have informed some of the most troubling human rights violations and humanitarian crises of 2016, and Dr. Nalepa's text is but one example of how discourses around marginalized peoples and regions in the world become institutionalized in academic contexts and instrumentalized by national and international media. This is what is most disconcerting to us: what is at stake when the public can blame Melania Trump's humiliating political moment on her immigrant and "socialist" background?
4.
Another problem with this text is its presumption that what Dr. Nalepa dubs communism was all one and the same idea across the world, or even a specific region, and that it was this homogenous ideology which was responsible for creating a culture of cheating and dishonesty. That communist ideas were indeed warped by the state systems in various countries is not a new observation. Countless scholars, artists, writers, film directors, and dissidents from across all walks of life were critical of their respective regimes. While it is well-known that such political systems have indeed resulted in repressive environments for students, to point to "communist education" as the impetus for Melania Trump's cheating at the US RNC in 2016 is laughable at best, and irresponsible at worst. In her introductory paragraphs Nalepa writes:
"The post-communist educational system at that time was a place where the line between original work and plagiarism was often hard to discern and the issue of intellectual ownership was never discussed. (...)
Memorization was an important component of education in post-communist Europe. This was a legacy of communism, when the dominant subjects — Marxist Ideology, The Foundations of Leninism, The Fundamentals of Socialist Economics, and so on — could not be criticized in a classroom setting without raising the suspicions of the authoritarian secret police."
One could deduce from this rather long diatribe about the ills of "communist education" (and our fear is that people will do so) that the corruption of the mind was all-encompassing, making people under such regimes mindless automatons. Ironically, Dr. Nalepa then places herself within that very framework, narrating her own experience with cheating on entrance exams to a university in Poland. The fact that she gained entrance to said university would make Dr. Nalepa herself a cheater, even if, as according to her own admission, everyone was cheating, and cheating was expected and endorsed. Yet despite this seemingly logical conclusion, we wish to stress that there is a sea of historical evidence in the form of voluminous and centuries-long scholarly work by such supposedly dishonest East European scholars. Within such a heinous system, as Dr. Nalepa would like us to believe East European education was, there were numerous intellectuals, writers, artists, and scientists who did important, and indeed crucial, work in various fields from linguistics, sociology, and art, to nuclear physics and astronomy.
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As scholars who for years have taught students in North American and European institutions of higher education, we want to ask Dr. Nalepa – why did you make the decision to write this piece? You certainly (should or must) know better. Plagiarism is rampant in different ways and in different forms in both North American but also in East European, West European and other universities. What we, however, should be worried about is a different kind of cheating that has to do with financial power and privilege, an insidious form of imbalance that allows some students to graduate from universities, while others are not able to even consider applying to one.
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Dr. Nalepa's revisionist scholarly approach to the study of Eastern Europe, post-communism and so-called transition, has become very popular in various countries of the former East Bloc. In revisionist academic discourse the history and contemporary analysis of the region is usually contextualized within a general dismissal of everything communist on the one hand, and the adoption of various neoliberal discourses on the other. Such neoliberal discourses narrate the history of communism in exclusively binary terms, and celebrate and support East European transition to Western-style "democracy" and capitalism as "the end of history." And while, on the surface, it might seem that much of the economic hardship in post-communist countries resulted from the legacies of the backward communist "mind," as Dr. Nalepa would want us to believe, many have argued that in reality it was the result of unfettered capitalism unleashed by the international economic and monetary institutions which impose their neo-liberal policies on various states in Eastern Europe, and across the world.
This brings us back to Melania Trump and Dr. Nalepa's commentary on her deplorable speech. These, and similar examples, are a red herring. They serve to distract from the real issue at hand: that political discourse, in the United States and elsewhere, is overwhelmingly cynical and empty. Melania Trump is only a symptom; a symptom of a corrupt political discourse in which certain phrases are repeated for ratings in social media. A discourse in which there is no substance, only style.
Dr. Nalepa's text hides another, deeper problem, that which has set the stage for Ms. Trump's husband's presidency. This is an unhinged, unchecked capitalism and its neoliberal demagogy of "working hard:" Cynical elites are selling the dream of "making it," while hiding that this is not possible under the system in which most social contracts and support networks have been destroyed and with them, any possibility of fair education, work, or health care. The racist violence of such an ideology permeates not only every aspect of American life, from Ferguson to Orlando to the convention floor in Cleveland, but beyond, to the world stage and streets of Baghdad, Aleppo and Istanbul, to the Mediterranean Sea, and voting booths in the UK. While it is appalling to read Dr. Nalepa's words, it is even more difficult to live under the weight of such utter devastation of rights and responsibilities, disguised in profound and damaging misinformation, perpetuated by stereotypes, prejudices, and an abdication of accountable research.
Sincerely,
Bato, eno Klint Istvud se slaže s tobom oko Trampa. :lol:
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sve je jasno!!!
well....no comment
http://www.esquire.com/entertainment/a46893/double-trouble-clint-and-scott-eastwood/
'Murrica!!
nije tajna da Klint podrzava republikance (razgovor sa praznom stolicom koja je trebalo da predstavlja Obamu na onoj njihovoj konvenciji) itd.
Klint je legenda ali je u mojim ocima izgubio nesto kredibiliteta sa Americkim Snajperistom. e, sad...ovaj intervju i neke kontroverzne izjave podelili javnost, pa tako imamo i sledece reakcije
'Count Me In As A Pussy' – The Entertainment World Reacts To Clint Eastwood's Shocking Comments (http://www.nme.com/blogs/nme-blogs/count-me-in-as-a-pussy-the-entertainment-world-reacts-to-clint-eastwoods-trump-support?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social)
kapiram ja njega...stereotip grumpy ol' man-a.
Bil Bar je lepo objasnio stvar sa starcima i rasizmom
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uc3HiKQDPCQ
Quote from: Dybuk on 05-08-2016, 15:53:15
'Murrica!!
nije tajna da Klint podrzava republikance (razgovor sa praznom stolicom koja je trebalo da predstavlja Obamu na onoj njihovoj konvenciji) itd.
Klint je legenda ali je u mojim ocima izgubio nesto kredibiliteta sa Americkim Snajperistom. e, sad...ovaj intervju i neke kontroverzne izjave podelili javnost, pa tako imamo i sledece reakcije
'Count Me In As A Pussy' – The Entertainment World Reacts To Clint Eastwood's Shocking Comments (http://www.nme.com/blogs/nme-blogs/count-me-in-as-a-pussy-the-entertainment-world-reacts-to-clint-eastwoods-trump-support?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social)
kapiram ja njega...stereotip grumpy ol' man-a.
da, da, američkog snajperistu sam zaboravila čim sam ga odgledala :cry:
klinta volim zato što je straight shooter. no mincing his words. i zato što radi punom parom u 86. godini.
a ovi pussies mešaju babe i žabe.
kad ovako počnu, sve se prašta Klintu
Senior ex-CIA official: Putin made Trump 'an unwitting agent' of Russia
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-russia-idUSKCN10G1NT
za onu jad i bedu koju su kriminalci hilari & co. napravili sandersu oproštaja ne bi smelo da bude. dodatno me nervira i kukanje na sav glas da se žrtvovala za mir i umalo poginula kad je išla u tuzlu da nam ga donese. :lol:
Pretpostavljam satira:
Trump: You people really believed me? (http://www.charlotteobserver.com/opinion/op-ed/article94019107.html)
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In dropping out, Donald Trump might point out there was no there there in his campaign. CHARLES TRAINOR JR TNS
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In a turn of events that shocked the political world and threw the presidential race into unprecedented turmoil, Donald J. Trump announced yesterday that he is quitting the race and endorsing Hillary Clinton.
Trump said the only point of his campaign was to show how stupid and gullible many Republican voters are.
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"I've been a Democrat all of my adult life," Trump told a packed and boisterous news conference. "But I knew if I ran as a Republican and said increasingly ridiculous, idiotic, racist and sexist things that I would get a lot of votes."
But he said he had no idea he would be able to win the Republican nomination and poll 40 percent or better in a national race against Clinton.
"Did people really believe that I could build a wall between the U.S. and Mexico and get the Mexicans to pay for it?" Trump asked, "and that we could deport 11 million illegal aliens? That's ridiculous. How could we possibly do that?"
Trump said he wanted to show just how gullible the far-right wing was and how weak-kneed Republican leaders were.
"Even after I made racist statements about that judge and attacked a Gold Star family, the Republican leadership continued to endorse me," Trump said. "Man, what does it take to get tossed out of the Republican Party?" He also pointed out that he had offered no real solutions to any of the country's problems and nobody, even the news media, took much notice that "there was no there there in my campaign," he said.
House Speaker Paul Ryan, while expressing shock at Trump's announcement, said, "After I thought about it a bit, I realized this made a lot more sense then the campaign he was running. The joke's on us."
Fifty-one Republicans immediately announced their candidacy to replace Trump on the ballot.
Asked if he felt any remorse about fooling so many people, Trump answered in typical Trumpian style: "No. They're all losers."
Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/opinion/op-ed/article94019107.html#storylink=cpy
Huh????
kako god bilo, cini mi se da Hilari pobedjuje...
парадокс је неки у бирачком тијелу, она води на националном нивоу а он у неким кључним државама, па се не зна како ће се делегати распоредити
Ал Гор је имао више гласова али мање делегата од Буша
Трамп има своју хардкор базу, сад покушава да ослаби подршку Хилари, кроз оптужбе да је неискрена, корумпирана итд...
Плус, довољно је да се неко међународно срање деси Обами у октобру и Трамп да президент је могућ
До тада је Фуриоса фаворит
još uz ovu profi propagandu...jbt, Obami dati neki Late Night Show da pošalje u penziju sve ostale amatere!
http://youtu.be/OgNP3g1Lwss (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgNP3g1Lwss&feature=youtu.be)
5 American Elections Even More Ridiculous Than This One (http://www.cracked.com/article_24230_5-american-elections-even-more-ridiculous-than-this-one.html)
епохално!
Иначе, ккк дјуд је подржао трампа
Викиликс подупире Трампа двосмисленом изјавом Асанжа да је Хилари наоружала ИД
За сад не видим поузданији сајт који је то објавио
http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/wikileaks-confirms-hillary-sold-weapons-isis-drops-another-bombshell-breaking-news/
Дајте бољи ако нађете
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/08/12/a-massive-new-study-debunks-a-widespread-theory-for-donald-trumps-success/
одлична ствар, прилично корисна и прецизна, мада компликују поенту, јер Трамп је у ствари класична формула
1. Обичан републиканац неће гласати Хилари, стога кандидат и не мора да му се обраћа. То су сигурни гласови.
2. Битни су несигурни гласови, а то су плави оковратници, које Трамп покрива, и уз #1 повећава бирачко тијело. О томе брује медији и Трамп жели да се само о томе говори
3. Оштетити Клинтон тијело сталним оптужбама да је засрала с исламистима и да је корумпирана до гуше. Посебно Сандерсовци су осјетљиви, јер независни гласачи су склони да не изађу на изборе, и то је Трампу довољно.
Трамп спектакуларно примјењује формулу, ови не знају шта их је снашло. ТВ мреже покушавају да створе тадић-николић тензију, видјећемо да ли ће успјети
На крају ће зависити од Обаме, јер се Клинтонова држи њега, ако овај нешто маестрално укења до новембра, биће бај бај Хилари.
:mrgreen:
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Šešelj: Glasajte za Trampa, glasajte za budućnost Srbije
http://rs.n1info.com/a185771/Vesti/Vesti/Seselj-Glasajte-za-Trampa-glasajte-za-buducnost-Srbije.html
Jos malo pop kulture...
imali smo prigodnu "nazi trumps fuck off" parolu od strane (doslednog) Dzelou Biafre, a sad frontmen benda koji je bio relevantan pre ne manje od 20 god porucuje
Green Day's Billie Joe Armstrong compares Donald Trump to Hitler: 'I can't wait until he's gone' (http://www.nme.com/news/green-day/95742?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social)
Konzervativac protiv Trampa
http://reaction.life/donald-trumps-rise-to-presidential-candidate-explained-brilliantly/
Трамп да јелоу кинг!
То се све лијепо уклапа у горе описану формулу, #2 аспекат, гласачи који не подносе те бушовске пуританце кад виде да нападају Трампа, још ће гласати за њега у инат
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/unconventional-race-even-electoral-map-surprises/
Was white British secessionist Nigel Farage really the man to reignite Donald Trump's African-American outreach programme? (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/white-secessionist-farage-a7208551.html)
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A white secessionist flown in from Britain might not seem the obvious choice for Donald Trump to reignite his African-American voter outreach programme, but at least Nigel Farage stuck to a message the people of Jackson, Mississippi have heard before.
"If you want change in this country, you'd better get out campaigning," Farage told them. "You'd better get your walking boots on."
They know what that means down there. It's 50 years since a young man called James Howard Meredith set off alone for Jackson from Memphis, Tennessee 220 miles away. He was intending to stop in every town along the way, telling African Americans about the 1965 Voting Rights Act. Telling them to register to vote, to stand up for their interests.
Unlike Farage, Meredith never made it. On the second day of his march, he got shot three times by a white supremacist (something that, until recently, you might have thought could never happen in British politics).
Martin Luther King and a load of other Civil Rights leaders had to turn up and finish the job. As they marched they talked another 15,000 black, 'anti-establishment' folk into getting their walking boots on too, and they still made it in plenty of time for Dr King to make it back to Memphis two years later so that he could also be shot by a white supremacist.
So they know a little bit about what it's like to be on the wrong side of the establishment down there. How hard they'll choose to a listen to a middle aged Englishman telling them how he and his army, "Said no to the banks and no to the politicians," when he's only had two jobs in his life, first a banker and then a politician, we'll find out on November 8th. That's the day, by the way, as if there were still a nanometre of mercury left to spare at the top of the bullshit-o-meter, that Mr Trump last night declared would be 'Independence Day, just like Britain had its Independence Day on June 23rd.'
They'd clapped like mad for "the man who led Brexit," as Donald Trump rightly labelled Nigel Farage as he called him to the stage. "This is a great honour for me," he told the crowd. He meant it.
It's fascism, this. And it's fully naked. Talk like you're taking on the powerful, then round on the vulnerable. And all this laid on by a little public schoolboy who used to march round the countryside singing Hitler Youth Songs and a daddy-made billionaire, backed with the full force of Rupert Murdoch's TV channel, flying round the world in a private jet with his name down the side, telling his followers to "stand up to the media."
"If the little people, the real people, the ordinary decent people, are prepared to stand up for what they believe in, we can overcome the big banks, we can overcome the multinationals," Farage bellowed, the Donald gurning proudly on as only he can. We can overcome the refugees. We can overcome the immigrants. We can overcome the chinkies and the people who don't speak English on the train. We can overcome the Romanians who'd better not be moving in next door.
Who knows, maybe the sight of Nigel Farage, ushered on stage by Donald Trump, introduced as "the man who led Brexit, the man who led this fight and won" will be sufficient for that thin blue line of supposedly enlightened Brexiters finally to come down off the fumes of their own delusional vainglory and take some responsibility for what they've done. (Don't count on it).
Perhaps this will be enough for them to come to accept that Nigel Farage was the man who led Brexit. That Britain's place in the world isn't the 'positive, outward looking, open to trade' place that exists only in Daniel Hannan's imagination, but it's place now is right there on stage, next to the 21st century demagogue who, just around the Gulf of Mexico from Jackson, Mississippi, wants to build a 2,000 mile long wall, that's certainly not to keep out the establishment.
And of course, it's all much worse than that. Trump, in all likelihood, is a loser. His own brand of The Art Of The Lie politics will meet with disaster three months from now. Farage's victory defines our age. We are the fascists, now.
Farage is a winner. That can't be doubted. And an inspirational figure too. "Remember," he told them at the end, rousing to the last, "Remember. Anything is possible if enough decent people stand up against the establishment!"
They were on their feet, the specially selected ladies and gentlemen of Jackson. But Farage's challenge is a challenge to us all. The fascists have got their marching boots on. So we'd better had too.
Bog trola
http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/24/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-bigot/
Some of Trump's Hispanic fans are abandoning ship after his immigration speech (https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-hispanic-fans-abandoning-ship-000000609.html)
Several of Donald Trump's most prominent Hispanic supporters are reconsidering their support following his major speech on immigration Wednesday.
Jacob Monty, an attorney based in Houston, resigned from the Republican candidate's National Hispanic Advisory Council after hearing the speech in Phoenix, Politico reported (http://www.politico.com/story/%202016/09/donald-trump-hispanic-%20leaders-arizona-immigration-%20227615) early Thursday morning.
"I was a strong supporter of Donald Trump when I believed he was going to address the immigration problem realistically and compassionately," Monty told the news site. "What I heard today was not realistic and not compassionate."
After weeks of toying with "softening" his deportation-based approach to illegal immigration, the GOP nominee on Wednesday gave a speech (https://www.yahoo.com/news/no-legal-status-citizenship-migrants-country-illegally-trump-024622869.html) in which he embraced the hard-line policies and incendiary rhetoric (https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-doubles-down-on-hardline-immigration-stance-there-will-be-no-amnesty-045327168.html?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma) that defined his primary campaign. He said that anyone in the United States illegally would be subject to deportation and vowed to bolster security at the U.S.-Mexico border.
For many Hispanic conservatives like Monty, who had advocated passionately for Trump, the speech was not merely a disappointment, but a betrayal. They hoped the candidate would lay out a plan for dealing humanely with the estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants already in the country, especially those with no involvement in violent crime.
Trump's support among Latino voters is far beneath that of past Republican candidates, according to public polls, which presents a unique challenge for the mogul as he seeks to win key states — like Florida, Nevada and Colorado — with large Hispanic constituencies. On Thursday, Democrat Hillary Clinton's campaign began to run ads in Arizona (https://www.yahoo.com/news/hillary-clinton-begin-tv-ads-traditionally-gop-arizona-100308831--election.html), a historically Republican state but with a large number of Latino voters.
Monty told the Texas Tribune that Trump's speech was a "complete betrayal to Republican ideals and his [commitments] made" and that Republicans need to "reclaim our party from the [nativist] elements."
When asked if he'd continue raising money for Trump, Monty replied, "No way José ... It is pouring money down the drain."
Monty was one of the Latino leaders who attended the Aug. 20 meeting in Trump Tower where the billionaire mogul reportedly softened his tone (https://www.buzzfeed.com/adriancarrasquillo/in-major-reversal-trump-indicates-to-hispanic-leaders-openne?utm_term=.skgaqwgVp#.npnejxb7W) on illegal immigration.
"When we met [earlier in August], he was going to approach this issue with a realistic plan, a compassionate plan, with a plan that was not disruptive to the immigrants that were here that were not lawbreakers," Monty told Politico. "He didn't deliver any of that."
Similarly, Alfonso Aguilar, the president of the Latino Partnership for Conservative Principles, told Politico that he was "inclined" to drop his support for Trump after this week's big speech.
"It's so disappointing because we feel we took a chance, a very risky chance," he said. "We decided to make a big U-turn to see if we could make him change. We thought we were moving in the right direction ... we're disappointed. We feel misled."
Data analyst Leslie Sanchez, who specializes in public opinion research for elections and the Hispanic-Latino marketplace, works closely with the Republican Party. She said sources told her that half of Trump's Hispanic advisory board was eyeing the door on Thursday.
Hispanic leader who advises Trump camp telling me half of Trump's Hispanic advisory board is ready to resign today (15 of 30)
— Leslie Sanchez (@LeslieSanchez)
September 1, 2016 (https://twitter.com/LeslieSanchez/status/771362138011103232)
Massey Villarreal, a businessman in Houston, told NBC Latino (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/gop-hispanics-dump-trump-after-arizona-immigration-speech-n641131) that he was finished supporting Trump after Wednesday night's "awful" speech.
"As a compassionate conservative, I am disappointed with the immigration speech," he said. "I'm going to flip, but not flop. I am no longer supporting Trump for president, but cannot with any conscience support Hillary [Clinton]."
Donald Trump Parody XXX 18+
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FBI releases Hillary Clinton email report (http://edition.cnn.com/2016/09/02/politics/hillary-clinton-fbi-interview-notes/)
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Washington (CNN)Hillary Clinton repeatedly told the FBI she couldn't recall key details and events related to classified information procedures, according to notes the bureau released Friday of its July interview with the Democratic presidential nominee, along with a report on its investigation into her private email server. Clinton told the FBI she "could not recall any briefing or training by State related to the retention of federal records or handling classified information," according to the bureau's notes of their interview with Clinton. The documents indicate Clinton told investigators she either does not "recall" or "remember" at least 39 times — often in response to questions about process, potential training or the content of specific emails. Much of the report reiterated what FBI Director James Comey testified in open hearings before Congress, including that more than six dozen email chains contained classified information at the time they were sent and that there appeared to have been hacking attempts on her server, though there is no evidence they were successful. Still, the report added fuel to the criticisms of Clinton and the narrative that her team acted "extremely careless," as Comey said. GOP nominee Donald Trump and other Republicans have stepped up their attacks connecting the emails to questions over whether Clinton gave preferential treatment to donors to her family's foundation. The release of the documents Friday comes as Clinton's lead over Trump has been cut in half since her post-convention bounce last month, according to CNN's Poll of Polls (http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/02/politics/cnn-poll-of-polls-clinton-leads-trump/index.html)released Thursday. The bureau is making the information public (https://vault.fbi.gov/hillary-r.-clinton)in response to numerous Freedom of Information Act requests, including from CNN. "Today the FBI is releasing a summary of former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's July 2, 2016 interview with the FBI concerning allegations that classified information was improperly stored or transmitted on a personal e-mail server she used during her tenure," the agency said in a statement. "We also are releasing a factual summary of the FBI's investigation into this matter."
Presidential campaign ramifications The publication of the FBI report is likely to give a new burst of political life to the controversy over Clinton's private server. The episode plays directly into Republican claims that Clinton is dishonest, abhors transparency and lacks the ethical standards required of someone who sits in the Oval Office. It also allows Trump's campaign to suggest to voters that they will be setting up a repeat of the cycle of scandals, controversy, and investigations that dragged on through the entire presidency of Bill Clinton and which tainted Hillary Clinton at the same time. "Hillary Clinton's answers to the FBI about her private email server defy belief," Trump said in a statement. "I was absolutely shocked to see that her answers to the FBI stood in direct contradiction to what she told the American people. After reading these documents, I really don't understand how she was able to get away from prosecution." Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus, meanwhile, called the release a "devastating indictment" of Clinton's honesty and judgment. Clinton's campaign, however, said it was "pleased" by the release. "While her use of a single email account was clearly a mistake and she has taken responsibility for it, these materials make clear why the Justice Department believed there was no basis to move forward with this case," Clinton's national press secretary Brian Fallon said in a statement. 'Oh s***' The FBI report also provided detail on mass deletions of Clinton's email server by the company maintaining her server, Platte River Networks, after the existence of it came to light. According to the investigation report, top Clinton adviser Cheryl Mills told a PRN worker whose name was redacted in December 2014 that Clinton wanted her email to only be retained for 60 days, and instructed him to reset the retention policy on her email account. But the individual told the FBI he realized that he had failed to do so until after The New York Times published its bombshell story revealing Clinton's private server and email use, prompting an "'oh s***' moment." "In a follow-up FBI interview on May 3, 2016, (name redacted) indicated he believed he had an 'oh s***' moment and sometime between March 25-31, 2015, deleted the Clinton archive mailbox from the PRN server and used BleachBit to delete the exported .PST files he had created on the server system containing Clinton's emails," the report stated. The mass deletion occurred after the March 2, 2015, Times story and after a March 3, 2015, preservation order from the House Benghazi Committee to retain and produce documents related to her email accounts. Mills had sent this request to PRN and this individual on March 9, 2015, and under repeat questioning by the FBI, the individual admitted he was aware that the request existed and meant he shouldn't disturb the files on PRN's server. Both Mills and Clinton told the FBI they were not aware of the mass deletion that March. Colin Powell One of the findings revealed in the report is that former Secretary of State Colin Powell "warned" Clinton that her emails could become government record in 2009. According to the report summarizing the FBI's investigation, Clinton emailed Powell just after inauguration in 2009 about his use of a BlackBerry as secretary of state. "Powell warned Clinton that if it became 'public' that Clinton had a BlackBerry, and she used it to 'do business,' her emails could become 'official record(s) and subject to the law,'" the report stated. "Powell further advised Clinton, 'Be very careful. I got around it all by not saying much and not using systems that captured the data.'" But the FBI said Clinton described her understanding of Powell's comments as saying that work-related emails would be official record, adding "Powell's comments did not factor into her decision to use a personal email account." Before it became public, interest in the contents of the report had intensified after it was reported that Clinton told the FBI a conversation with Powell recommending she use private email helped convince her to do so. Powell repudiated the idea that he shares any responsibility for her choice in the following days, however, and Clinton told CNN's Anderson Cooper last month that she takes full responsibility. "I've been asked many, many questions in the past year about emails. And what I've learned is that when I try to explain what happened it can sound like I'm trying to excuse what I did," she told CNN. "And there are no excuses. I want people to know that the decision to have a single e- mail account was mine. I take responsibility for it. I've apologized for it. I would certainly do differently if I could." Powell rejects Clinton email defense (http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/22/politics/colin-powell-rejects-clinton-email-defense/) Use of mobile devices The report also described the way Clinton used her BlackBerry mobile devices. Clinton has cited her desire to use a single BlackBerry as part of her motivation to use a personal email address. Clinton's aide Huma Abedin told the FBI that Clinton often would use a new BlackBerry for a few days before returning to an older model because of her familiarity, according to the report. The FBI found that 13 different mobile devices were used with her two known phone numbers, and thus may have sent emails with her private account. After Clinton switched to a new device, the previous incarnation would often disappear, and a former Bill Clinton aide, Justin Cooper, said he could recall two times he destroyed the old device either by breaking it in half or hitting it with a hammer. The findings also noted that Clinton stored her BlackBerry in a desk drawer in her office, which was not authorized. Her office was in a Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility (SCIF), and thus the use of mobile devices in the office was prohibited. The former Assistant Secretary of State for State Diplomatic Security Service Eric Boswell told the FBI that he "never received any complaints about Clinton using her personal BlackBerry inside the SCIF." According to Abedin, Cooper and another person whose name was redacted from the report, there were personally owned desktop computers in the SCIFs in Clinton's homes in Washington and Chappaqua, New York. Clinton had stated to the FBI she did not have a computer of any kind in the SCIFs in her residences. Abedin and Clinton said the former secretary of state did not use a computer and primarily used her BlackBerry or iPad for checking emails. Handing of classified information The notes revealed that Clinton relied heavily on her staff and aides to determine what was classified information and how it should be handled. "Clinton did not recall receiving any emails she thought should not be on an unclassified system," the FBI notes said. "She relied on State official to use their judgment when emailing her and could not recall anyone raising concerns with her regarding the sensitivity of the information she received at her email address." Clinton was also asked about the (C) markings within several documents that James Comey testified before Congress represented classified information. The emails that were sent and received from her server containing these markings became the subject of intense debate on the Hill, as her critics seized on them as evidence that she mishandled information. But Clinton told the FBI she was unaware of what the marking meant. "Clinton stated she did not know and could only speculate it was referencing paragraphs marked in alphabetical order," the interview notes stated. The former secretary of state said she did understand when an email was marked "confidential" at the top, and "asked the interviewing agents if that was what 'c' referenced," according to the notes. The confidential label had been placed there by the FBI after the fact. She also said she didn't "pay attention to the 'level' of classified information and took all classified information seriously." The interview also addressed a 2011 email (http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/08/politics/hillary-clinton-emails-2016/) in which Clinton said she hadn't received talking points from her aide, Jake Sullivan. He responded that there were issues sending the document through secure fax. "If they can't," Clinton replies, "turn into nonpaper w no identifying heading and send nonsecure." That email had been the fuel behind speculation that Cilnton had demanded her aide send classified information through a nonsecure channel by removing markings. But Clinton told the FBI that she understood the request as routine. "Clinton thought a 'nonpaper' was a way to convey the unofficial stance of the US government to a foreign government and believed this practice went back '200 years,'" she said, according to interview notes. "When viewing the displayed email, Clinton believed she was asking Sullivan to remove the State letterhead and provide unclassified talking points. Clinton stated she had no intention to remove classification markings." Fallout from Comey's remarks Comey in July took the unprecedented step of announcing in a press conference the FBI's conclusion that there was not enough evidence to merit a criminal prosecution, before handing over his findings to the Justice Department. Anticipation for FBI's release on Clinton investigation (http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/30/politics/fbi-report-hillary-clinton-investigation/) The DOJ followed that recommendation and decided no prosecution was merited. After Comey testified about the decision before Congress, members requested access to his agency's report. Last month, the bureau gave members of Congress access to the notes, as well as notes from interviews with other Clinton staff and aides, but kept that version of the report classified. Comey testified that no transcript of the interview exists, only the notes taken on it. Clinton was not under oath. The FBI's release Friday did not include the notes of interviews with Clinton's aides.
The poll showed 40 percent of likely voters supporting Trump and 39 percent backing Clinton for the week of Aug. 26 to Sept. 1. Clinton's support has dropped steadily in the weekly tracking poll since Aug. 25, eliminating what had been a eight-point lead for her.
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Clinton campaign goes after Trump's 'birther' past (https://www.yahoo.com/news/clinton-campaign-goes-after-trumps-birther-past-170702198.html)
QuoteThe Clinton campaign is stepping up its attacks on Donald Trump's past leading the "birther" movement to question President Obama's citizenship as it continues to paint the real estate mogul as a bigoted conspiracy theorist.
Over the weekend, the campaign tweeted from Clinton's account that it was "astonishing" that the Republican nominee still "refuses to acknowledge" that the president was born in the United States, after Trump would not answer a reporter's question whether he now believed Obama was a citizen. On Tuesday, spokeswoman Christina Reynolds brought up Trump's birtherism in a statement responding to his comment that Clinton did not "look presidential."
"This isn't the first time Donald Trump has had a problem looking at someone different from himself and actually seeing them," Reynolds said. "He looked at a sitting president and said he wasn't American."
Wednesday, Clinton's campaign again tweeted about the controversy.
When Trump began reaching out to black voters in speeches last month, arguing that voting for Democrats had not alleviated poverty and crime in black communities, the Clinton campaign hit back with a coordinated campaign to portray Trump as a bigoted conspiracy theorist, synthesized in Clinton's speech two weeks ago in Reno tying the candidate to an "alt right" network of white supremacists (https://www.yahoo.com/news/clinton-tries-to-stop-trump-mid-pivot-by-tying-him-to-alt-right-192803698.html) and extremists.
"Let's not forget that Trump first gained political prominence leading the charge for the so-called 'birthers,'" she said then. "He promoted the racist lie that President Obama is not really an American citizen — part of a sustained effort to delegitimize America's first black president."
The day after Clinton's speech, her running mate, Sen. Tim Kaine, reminded voters at a speech at the historically black college Florida A&M University of Trump's birtherism. "Donald Trump was a main guy behind the scurrilous and I would say bigoted notion that President Obama wasn't even born in this country, and Donald Trump has continued to push that irresponsible falsehood," Kaine said.
But Clinton hasn't brought up Trump's birther past since she began campaigning again on Monday after a stretch of fundraisers. A surrogate for her campaign and member of the Congressional Black Caucus, Rep. Gregory Meeks, D-N.Y., says he hopes the candidate herself will not focus on the issue going forward as she enters the homestretch — instead leaving it to aides and surrogates.
"I think what folks want to know is what are you going to do for us as president and how is that going to make a difference in our lives," Meeks said. "And leave the other stuff to guys like me."
Clinton's alt-right speech made sense as a "one-time piece" that laid out the facts for the voters before moving on, Meeks said, comparing it to when Obama gave a speech on race during his campaign in '08.
"It's more important for her ... to lift the hopes and aspirations that Americans have," and to highlight the investments she will make in jobs, Meeks said. The congressman and other members of the Congressional Black Caucus have been highlighting the birther issue for her, with Meeks calling Trump's refusal to disavow his birtherism "a way to appeal to the David Dukes of the world."
Clinton is still showcasing Trump's comments about minorities, but as part of a broader argument saying Trump does not respect all Americans. At a voter registration event in Tampa on Tuesday, Clinton said Trump "demeans" groups of Americans, including minorities, adding that they "have every right to be respected by the president of the United States." Kaine also spent a good portion of his speech in Cleveland Monday emphasizing that Trump's company was sued for housing discrimination against black renters in the 1970s.
Polls suggest black voters overwhelmingly back Clinton over Trump, but some Democrats are worried about a report that shows black millennials are not enthusiastically supporting her (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/05/us/politics/young-blacks-voice-skepticism-on-hillary-clinton-worrying-democrats.html). Clinton will need high turnout among black voters to help drive her victory.
Trump, for his part, is trying to distance himself from his past questioning of whether the first African American president was born in the United States, telling reporters at multiple points during the campaign that he doesn't "talk about it." (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/06/donald-trump-is-still-as-much-of-a-birther-as-he-ever-was/) One of his top surrogates, Ben Carson, said on CNN Tuesday that it would be a "good idea" for Trump to apologize for his birther past to try to win back some black voters alienated by the movement.On Tuesday, Fox News' Bill O'Reilly asked Trump if he thought his birtherism had hurt him with black voters. Trump replied, "I don't know," before reiterating that he no longer talks about Obama's citizenship.
Trump never said he was satisfied when Obama released his long-form birth certificate from Hawaii in 2011, but largely stopped bringing the matter up afterward. Asked by Anderson Cooper in 2015 if he now believed the president was born in the states (http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1507/09/acd.01.html), he said he didn't know but no longer focused on it.
Obama has long treated Trump's birther attacks as a joke, memorably roasting Trump in his address at the White House Correspondents Dinner in 2011 as Trump stiffly listened (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8TwRmX6zs4). He said Trump now could get back to the "issues that matter, like, did we fake the moon landing?" He mocked Trump's connection to the show "Celebrity Apprentice," saying that his decision about whether to fire Lil Jon or Meat Loaf from the show "would keep me up at night."
Obama never shied away from the birther issue, which struck many of his supporters as an example of the irrational and sometimes racially–motivated opposition from conservatives who were questioning his legitimacy instead of his policies. In 2012, one of the hottest items in Obama's online campaign merchandise store was a white coffee mug with Obama's newly public birth certificate pasted on it. "We sold close to 40,000 made-in-the-USA mugs with the birth certificate graphic," a campaign aide told Yahoo News at the time (https://www.yahoo.com/news/inside-the-big-business-of-little-presidential-116657878996.html). "We bought all of the white union-made mugs in the country."
U.S. investigating potential covert Russian plan to disrupt November elections (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/intelligence-community-investigating-covert-russian-influence-operations-in-the-united-states/2016/09/04/aec27fa0-7156-11e6-8533-6b0b0ded0253_story.html)
QuoteU.S. intelligence and law enforcement agencies are investigating what they see as a broad covert Russian operation in the United States to sow public distrust in the upcoming presidential election and in U.S. political institutions, intelligence and congressional officials said.
The aim is to understand the scope and intent of the Russian campaign, which incorporates cyber-tools to hack systems used in the political process, enhancing Russia's ability to spread disinformation.
The effort to better understand Russia's covert influence operations is being coordinated by James R. Clapper Jr., the director of national intelligence. "This is something of concern for the DNI," said Charles Allen, a former longtime CIA officer who has been briefed on some of these issues. "It is being addressed."
A Russian influence operation in the United States "is something we're looking very closely at," said one senior intelligence official who, like others interviewed, spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive matter. Officials also are examining potential disruptions to the election process, and the FBI has alerted state and local officials to potential cyberthreats.
The official cautioned that the intelligence community is not saying it has "definitive proof" of such tampering, or any Russian plans to do so. "But even the hint of something impacting the security of our election system would be of significant concern," the official said. "It's the key to our democracy, that people have confidence in the election system." Russian President Vladimir Putin says he doesn't know who was behind the hacking of the Democratic National Committee, but it was important the information had been made public. (Bloomberg)
Russian President Vladimir Putin says he doesn't know who was behind the hacking of the Democratic National Committee, but it was important the information had been made public. Putin: No idea who hacked US Democratic Party (Bloomberg) The Kremlin's intent may not be to sway the election in one direction or another, officials said, but to cause chaos and provide propaganda fodder to attack U.S. democracy-building policies around the world, particularly in the countries of the former Soviet Union.
[Russia's anti-American fever goes beyond the Soviet era's (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/russias-anti-us-sentiment-now-is-even-worse-than-it-was-in-soviet-union/2015/03/08/b7d534c4-c357-11e4-a188-8e4971d37a8d_story.html)]
U.S. intelligence officials described the covert influence campaign here as "ambitious" and said it is also designed to counter U.S. leadership and influence in international affairs.
Their comments came just before President Obama and Russian President Vladimir Putin talked privately about cyberspying and other matters on the sidelines of the Group of 20 talks in China. After their meeting Monday, Obama acknowledged tensions over digital espionage and said the United States had strong capability in this area. "Our goal is not to suddenly, in the cyber arena, duplicate the cycle of escalation we saw when it comes to other arms races in the past," Obama said.
One congressional official, who has been briefed recently on the matter, said "Russian 'active measures' or covert influence or manipulation efforts, whether it's in Eastern Europe or in the United States," are worrisome.
It "seems to be a global campaign," the aide said. As a result, the issue has "moved up as a priority" for the intelligence agencies, which include the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security as well as the CIA and the National Security Agency.
Some congressional leaders briefed recently by the intelligence agencies on Russian influence operations in Europe, and how they may serve as a template for activities in the United States, were disturbed by what they heard.
After Senate Minority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.) ended a secure 30-minute phone briefing given by a top intelligence official recently, he was "deeply shaken," according to an aide who was with Reid when he left the secure room at the FBI's Las Vegas office.
The Russian government hack of the Democratic National Committee, disclosed by the DNC in June (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/russian-government-hackers-penetrated-dnc-stole-opposition-research-on-trump/2016/06/14/cf006cb4-316e-11e6-8ff7-7b6c1998b7a0_story.html) but not yet officially ascribed by the U.S. government to Russia, and the subsequent release of 20,000 hacked DNC emails by WikiLeaks, shocked officials. Cyber analysts traced its digital markings to known Russian government hacking groups.
[Cyber researchers confirm Russian hack of DNC (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/cyber-researchers-confirm-russian-government-hack-of-democratic-national-committee/2016/06/20/e7375bc0-3719-11e6-9ccd-d6005beac8b3_story.html)]
"We've seen an unprecedented intrusion and an attempt to influence or disrupt our political process," said Rep. Adam B. Schiff (Calif.), the ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, speaking about the DNC hack and the WikiLeaks release on the eve of the Democratic convention. The disclosures, which included a number of embarrassing internal emails, forced the resignation of DNC Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz.
Members of both parties are urging the president to take the Russians to task publicly.
Sen. Ben Sasse (R-Neb.) in a statement urged Obama to publicly name Russia as responsible for the DNC hack and apparent meddling in the electoral process. "Free and legitimate elections are non-negotiable. It's clear that Russia thinks the reward outweighs any consequences," he wrote. "That calculation must be changed. . . . This is going to take a cross-domain response — diplomatic, political and economic — that turns the screws on Putin and his cronies."
Another Republican, Sen. Daniel Coats of Indiana, a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, said Sunday that if Moscow is indeed trying to influence the U.S. election, "such actions would be an outrageous violation of international rules of behavior and cannot be tolerated."
Administration officials said they are still weighing their response.
Russia has denied that it carried out any cyber-intrusions in the United States. Putin called the accusations (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/putin-denies-that-russia-hacked-the-dnc-but-says-it-was-for-the-public-good/2016/09/02/d507a335-baa8-40e1-9805-dfda5d354692_story.html) against Russia by U.S. officials and politicians an attempt to "distract the public's attention."
"It doesn't really matter who hacked this data from Mrs. Clinton's campaign headquarters," Putin said in an interview with Bloomberg News, referring to Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton. "The important thing is the content was given to the public."
[Russian hackers targeted Arizona election system (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/fbi-is-investigating-foreign-hacks-of-state-election-systems/2016/08/29/6e758ff4-6e00-11e6-8365-b19e428a975e_story.html)]
The Department of Homeland Security has offered local and state election officials help to prevent or deal with Election Day cyber disruptions, including vulnerability scans, regular actionable information and alerts, and access to other tools for improving cybersecurity at the local level. It will also have a cyber team ready at the National Cybersecurity and Communications Integration Center to alert jurisdictions if attacks are detected.
Last month, the FBI issued an unprecedented warning to state election officials urging them to be on the lookout for intrusions into their election systems and to take steps to upgrade security measures across the voting process, including voter registration, voter rolls and election-related websites. The confidential "flash" alert (https://s.yimg.com/dh/ap/politics/images/boe_flash_aug_2016_final.pdf) said investigators had detected attempts to penetrate election systems in several states.
Arizona, Illinois and both the Democratic and Republican parties, as well as the DNC, have been the victims of either attempted or successful cyberattacks that FBI agents with expertise in Russian government hacking are investigating.
Federal law enforcement and local election officials say the decentralized nature of the voting process, which is run by states and counties, makes it impossible to ensure a high level of security in each district.
"I have a lot of concern" about this year's election, said Ion Sancho, the longtime supervisor of elections in Leon County, Fla. "America doesn't have its act together." Sancho, who has authorized red-team attacks on his voting system to identify its vulnerabilities, added: "We need a plan."
Sancho and others are particularly concerned about electronic balloting from overseas that travels on vulnerable networks before landing in the United States, and about efforts to use cyberattacks to disrupt vote tabulations being transmitted to state-level offices. Encryption, secure paper backups and secure backup computers are critical, he said.
Tom Hicks, chairman of the U.S. Election Assistance Commission, an agency set up by Congress after the 2000 Florida recount to maintain election integrity, said he is confident that states have sufficient safeguards in place to ward off intrusions. He noted that electronic balloting from overseas is conducted by email, not through online voting machines. The overseas voter "waives their right of privacy" by emailing the ballot, which is tabulated by election officials. The email may still be hacked, but it is not a systemic risk, he said.
Recently, Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson said he favors designating the voting systems used in the country's 9,000 polling places as "critical infrastructure" — in other words, as vital to the nation's safe functioning as nuclear power plants and electrical power grids.
[Readout of Secretary Jeh Johnson's call with state election officials on cybersecurity (https://www.dhs.gov/news/2016/08/15/readout-secretary-johnsons-call-state-election-officials-cybersecurity)]
Such a designation could mean increased DHS funding to localities to help ensure that voter registration, ballots and ballot tabulation remain free from interference. But it won't happen before the November elections, federal and local officials said.
Russia has been in the vanguard of a growing global movement to use propaganda on the Internet to influence people and political events, especially since the political revolt in Ukraine, the subsequent annexation of Crimea by Russia, and the imposition of sanctions on Russia by the United States and the European Union.
The Baltic states, Georgia and Ukraine have been subject to Russian cyberattacks and other hidden influence operations meant to disrupt those countries, officials said.
"Our studies show that it is very likely that [the influence] operations are centrally run," said Janis Sarts, director of the NATO Strategic Communications Center of Excellence, a research organization based in Riga, Latvia.
He also said there is "a coordinated effort involving [groups using] Twitter and Facebook and networks of bots to amplify their message. The main themes seem to be orchestrated rather high up in the hierarchy of the Russian state, and then there are individual endeavors by people to exploit specific themes."
Sarts said the Russian propaganda effort has been "successful in exploiting the vulnerabilities within societies." In Western Europe, for instance, such Russian information operations have focused on the politically divisive refugee crisis.
On the eve of a crucial post-
revolution presidential vote in Ukraine in 2014, a digital assault nearly crippled the country's Central Election Commission's website. Pro-Moscow hackers calling themselves the CyberBerkut claimed responsibility, saying they were not state-affiliated, but the authorities in Kiev blamed Moscow. The Russians used a "denial of service" technique, flooding the commission's Web server with a high volume of requests, which was meant to slow down or disable the network.
Trump's first wife, Ivana, famously claimed that Trump kept a copy of Adolf Hitler's collected speeches, "My New Order," in a cabinet beside his bed. In 1990, Trump's friend Marty Davis, who was then an executive at Paramount, added credence to this story, telling Marie Brenner, ofVanity Fair, that he had given Trump the book. "I thought he would find it interesting," Davis told her. When Brenner asked Trump about it, however, he mistakenly identified the volume as a different work by Hitler: "Mein Kampf." Apparently, he had not so much as read the title. "IfI had these speeches, and I am not saying that I do, I would never read them," Trump told Brenner.
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/07/25/donald-trumps-ghostwriter-tells-all
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Nego, video sam ovo pre neki dan ali zaboravih da potražim i postujem. Radi se o libertarijanskom kandidatu za precednika SAD, Gariju Džonsonu koji nikad nije čuo za grad Aleppo u Siriji. Bikoz, realisitkli, uaj vud hi?
What Is Aleppo, Gary Johnson? (http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/what-is-aleppo)
In what universe and era can we be living if Donald Trump is merely the
second least informed candidate for the Presidency? Trump foggily negotiated the toothless, pit-a-pat treatment he got from Matt Lauer on NBC last night, insisting once more on his narcissistic admiration for Vladimir Putin: "If he says great things about me, I'm going to say great things about him." But that was nothing new. This morning, on MSNBC's "Morning Joe," Mike Barnicle began a roundtable interview with Gary Johnson (http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/gary-johnson-asks-what-is-aleppo-760358979962), the Libertarian candidate for President and the former governor of New Mexico, that set an even lower marker for ignorance. The following exchange gave one the fleeting impression that, compared to Johnson, Trump is the modern incarnation of Talleyrand:
BARNICLE: What would you do, if you were elected, about Aleppo?
JOHNSON: About . . . ?
BARNICLE: Aleppo.
JOHNSON
[as a look of panic sweeps across his face]: And what is
Aleppo?
BARNICLE: You're kidding.
JOHNSON: No.
BARNICLE: Aleppo is in Syria. [Pause.] It's the epicenter of the refugee crisis.
JOHNSON: O.K.!
Got it. Got it.
BARNICLE: O.K.
JOHNSON: Well, with regard to Syria, um, I do think that it's a mess. I think that the only way that we deal with Syria is to join hands with Russia. Johnson has declared that he has not smoked marijuana in several months—he used to be in the legalized-marijuana business—so that's not really an excuse. And Barnicle, for his part, was not trying to pull a funny one. He wasn't asking Johnson trick questions like "What's the capital of Kazakhstan?" Or: "Name the Baltic States." Or: "Where was the Treaty of Westphalia signed?" Nothing like that.
No, Barnicle was asking the most straightforward question possible: What is the strategic, diplomatic, and moral route to ending the prolonged slaughter in Syria? Johnson's inability to locate Aleppo, where men, women, and children are being eradicated every day, most recently by chlorine-gas attacks, was pathetic, the equivalent of a candidate for President in 1964 being unable to summon the location of Hanoi or Saigon. It's not enough that Johnson has a vague isolationist ideology—that, like Ron and Rand Paul, he is against an interventionist foreign policy. That's a legitimate viewpoint, but it doesn't seem overly demanding to insist that he read a newspaper, a Web site, anything—that he ought to know something about the wars that are being fought in the world, especially given that America has an active, if limited, involvement in Syria now. And shouldn't knowing nothing—in his case, or in Trump's—be disqualifying? At the D.M.V., if you flunk the written exam, you can't get behind a steering wheel with the motor running. Perhaps there should be a remotely similar bar for cluelessness in a Presidential campaign.
For Johnson, this willful lack of interest in policy and facts is no more an aberration, a bad moment of television, than it is in the case of Trump. A couple of weeks ago, I interviewed Johnson (http://www.newyorker.com/podcast/the-new-yorker-radio-hour/episode-46-gary-johnson-angel-olsen-and-a-bee-stylist) for "The New Yorker Radio Hour," and he proved himself to be jovial and plainspoken, but also distinctly shallow—and, after a while, tetchy about his own flimsy policy prescriptions and knowledge base.
When I noted that he had been highly complimentary of Hillary Clinton's competence as a public official, Johnson seemed to realize that this was no longer a good meme for him to carry around if he is to draw votes from Democrats as well as Republicans. "Well, you know I change that," he said. "Sometimes you misspeak a little bit. I really do think this whole Clinton Foundation is 'pay to play.' . . . For me, personally, I've been able to connect the dots."
Johnson mentioned that the retirement age for Social Security benefits ought to be raised. When asked to what age it ought to be raised, he got defensive. "Look, I'm not getting elected king or dictator here. I'm looking to get elected President of the United States that has constitutional limits. . . . Seventy-two seems like a good starting point."
Johnson had told Ryan Lizza, in a previous interview (http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/07/25/gary-johnson-the-third-party-candidate), that he last ingested a pot edible a few months ago. I asked why he'd decided to refrain. If President Obama could have a Martini or two at the end of a long day, what's wrong with one of Johnson's favorites, a Cheeba Chew?
"The whole notion of inbound missiles—you've got twelve minutes to deal with that," Johnson replied. "I have never advocated being on the job impaired, and running for President is a 24/7 job and being President is a 24/7 job."
Johnson is an ardent, even absolutist, Second Amendment supporter, and when I asked about the mass killings in an Orlando night club and the ready availability of semiautomatic weapons, he switched the subject: "I hope everybody paid attention to what happened in Orlando," he said. "I hope all the night-club owners in the country were paying attention to the fact that all the doors were padlocked."
"O.K., but I don't think you're arguing that egress in and out of the night club was the question," I said. "We're talking about the ready availability of weapons that one would think should be limited to a field of war."
The thought of regulating or banning semiautomatic rifles for non-military use displeased him. "If you're going to make those criminal, I think you're going to have a whole new criminal class of people who aren't going to turn in those weapons," Johnson said.
When I asked about proposals that teachers have guns in their classrooms, Johnson got very agitated.
"I'm not going to tell teachers whether or not they should have a gun or not. Come on, man!" he said. "If a teacher would deem that be—to avail the classroom of potentially being secure, or if the teacher were to deem that something that, within their own purview, they might prevent an atrocity if it were to occur, I would support the teacher in wanting to be able to do that."
Finally, I asked if there were any books that had influenced him deeply. His answer was this: "Ayn Rand. I love 'The Fountainhead.' I love 'Atlas Shrugged.' I do read. But those are a couple of books that I think, from a philosophical standpoint, I think 'The Fountainhead' is my favorite book."
You can wonder if Johnson has looked into Ayn Rand, her alarming statements on altruism, American Indians, Arabs, religion, community . . . whatever. We can leave literary matters aside for the moment. Before proposing himself as the ideal person to hold the Presidency, though, Johnson might want to know the answer to his own question: "What is Aleppo?"
У међувремену је и Клинтоновој позлило на обиљежавању 11. септембра, што подгријава Трампове приче да није здравствено способна да води државу
Џонсон узима Трампу гласове, те му и то иде у корист
С друге стране, Обама удара по Путину и хакерима, те неформално учествује у кампањи
greška
Бог
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0BYqzdiuJc&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Trump says he eats fast food because 'at least you know' what's in it
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/295945-trump-says-he-eats-fast-food-because-at-least-you-know
Има ли који твитераш да ми објасни. Инфо је да Трамп користи андроид а његов савјетник ајфон, и да се то некако види на твитовима. Ја нерегистрован не видим ништа, или бар не знам ђе да гледам.
Pa to svakako Tviter vidi, ali obični korisnici mislim da ne mogu.
Dakle implikacija je da je to prosledio neko ko radi za Tviter valjda.
Ха, извор јесте инсајдерски, али је реко да сви могу да виде. Очигледно није тако.
Izbori su predugo trajali...kad ce bre ti izbori? :lol:
ja se divim ovim vremesnim kandidatima, treba izgurati te kampanje.
Трамп је на фаст фуду, без бриге!
'murrican to a T!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxx6FVrQQ2s&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Зли језици кажу да је Хилари испрашила Трампа у првој дебати
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=855Am6ovK7s&client=mv-google&hl=en&gl=BA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejjP59fQD8k
Amerikance je, navodno, tokom debate zbunila jedna cesto ponavljana rec: "temperament", pa su je masovno guglali te veceri :lol: :lol:
Хаха, дебата је тотално тупаџијска била, кад је Хиларина главна теза да неко с Доналдовим темпераментом не треба да буде близу нјук дугмета :)
Хилари играла по старом, већ 15 година кад неко објективно докаже да је злочинац, она се претвори у незаштићену феминисткињу.
Буквално је на Трампов аргумент да је била деструктивна током читаве каријере извукла потпуно неповезану оптужбу о мизогинији.
То је задња 3-4 минута дебате, који су и најзанимљивији.
Vrhunski je njen trajni argument da politički suparnici nemaju iskustva sa spoljnom politikom kao ona.
Quote from: Dybuk on 21-09-2016, 16:24:17
Izbori su predugo trajali...kad ce bre ti izbori? :lol:
ja se divim ovim vremesnim kandidatima, treba izgurati te kampanje.
koji je to show-biz. pa da, kad cujes izbori u americi, komotno preskocis sve slicne vijesti i pogledas za dvije godine jesu li se smislili. obrnu sigurno vecu lovu nego sa kosarkom... ma svim sportovima u zbroju. jos i izvezli.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2neyQA5TDo
Alan Lihtman, profesor istorije na American University u Vašingtonu, predviđa buduće predsjednike SAD i od 1984. nije promašio u procjeni.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/23/trump-is-headed-for-a-win-says-professor-whos-predicted-30-years-of-presidential-outcomes-correctly/
Zna se!
Isti video iz prethodne poruke, samo ovog puta original
https://youtu.be/-nQGBZQrtT0
Donald Trump's campaign appears to be slipping into death spiral (https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/7b38b16a-2189-3c76-9372-6a868b95136e/donald-trump%26%2339%3Bs-campaign.html)
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Donald Trump (http://www.cnbc.com/donald-trump/?__source=yahoo%7Cfinance%7Cinline%7Cstory%7Cstory&par=yahoo&doc=103987603)'s presidential campaign appears to be slipping into a death spiral and the Republican nominee is running out of chances to turn things around.
In just the last week, Trump entered into a unwinnable war of words over the weight problems of a former Miss Universe including a bizarre 3:00 a.m. Tweet storm, claimed his opponent may be cheating on her husband, blamed a bad microphone and an unfair moderator for his disastrous debate performance and saw The New York Times reveal (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=b-lede-package-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=1) that he took a $916 million tax loss in 1995 and may have paid no income tax for nearly two decades.
On Monday morning, The Associated Press reported on Trump's alleged sexist and boorish behavior on the set of "The Apprentice" (http://apne.ws/2doZd90) and the Center for Public Integrity alleged that Trump's real estate business rented office space to an Iranian bank that U.S. authorities say has links to terrorism. (http://bit.ly/2doXNvd)
And Trump woke up Monday to fresh polling showing the debate tilted the race heavily back to Hillary Clinton (http://www.cnbc.com/hillary-clinton/?__source=yahoo%7Cfinance%7Cinline%7Cstory%7Cstory&par=yahoo&doc=103987603). The latest Politico/Morning Consult poll shows the Democratic nominee surging to a 6-point lead (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/trump-clinton-poll-politico-morning-consult-229038) after leading by just 1 ahead of the debate. And a new poll out of swing-state Virginia now shows Clinton up 7 in the state. (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/3/hillary-clinton-leads-donald-trump-7-points-virgin/)
Trump is also not getting much of an assist from his top surrogates. In an interview on NBC's "Meet the Press" on Sunday, former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani called Trump a "genius" (http://nbcnews.to/2dy8kpJ) for the giant tax loss and said the GOP nominee's wizardry would be better for the nation than "a woman." For good measure, Giuliani threw in that "everybody" engages in extramarital affairs.
Trump's only chance to win is to make the election a referendum on Clinton and the economy. But it's easy to forget these days that Clinton is even in the race and the economy is basically an afterthought. As I've pointed out repeatedly in the past (http://cnb.cx/2d8xIP7), Trump's favorite subject is Trump and he will never tolerate the campaign being about anything other than Trump.
Trump supporters apparently believe he is still capable of change, even though he has repeatedly shown no interest in shifting course. Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich told The New York Times that this long-awaited metamorphosis could still arrive. (http://nyti.ms/2dpVRCp)
"He has gotten himself to the edge of the mountain, he can get himself to the top of the mountain, but to do that he has to be willing to make real change," Gingrich said. "I really want him to understand that he can win this. He is the one person who can beat him — not Hillary."
Gingrich is not wrong about this. Clinton remains highly distrusted and mostly disliked by the American people. She is struggling badly with younger voters who are flirting with the third-party candidates. Majorities still view the nation as on the wrong track, usually an ominous sign for the incumbent party. And the GOP nominee could probably set himself on fire and still count on around 40 percent of the electorate to support him.
And Trump is not entirely out of chances. The vice presidential debate on Tuesday will begin to reframe the race though it will certainly prove a giant ratings drop from the first Trump-Clinton showdown. And then Trump has a chance on Sunday night to turn in a more disciplined debate performance and put the focus back on Clinton's weaknesses including her email scandal, the Benghazi attack, her Wall Street ties and the soft economy.
Trump has trailed badly before and brought the race back to even. He still has just enough time to do that again. And he remains ahead in Ohio and close to even in Florida, Colorado and a handful of other swing states.
Republicans including Roger Stone are also suggesting that Wikileaks this week could release the "mother lode" of damaging emails and other information about Clinton. We've heard this refrain for months now but perhaps it will finally turn out to be true.
And all the "Trump could turn this around" narratives rely on the idea that he is capable of becoming a totally different candidate. The Sunday debate in St. Louis is also a town hall format in which candidates must take questions from and interact with regular folks. Clinton is very practiced at this kind of thing while Trump is not. He could shock everyone and be a friendly, relatable guy in the debate and launch a brand-new strategy that reverses his sliding poll numbers and once again makes 2016 a referendum on Clinton. And the Easter Bunny could also be real.—Ben White is Politico's chief economic correspondent and a CNBC contributor. He also authors the daily tip sheet Politico Morning Money [politico.com/morningmoney (http://politico.com/morningmoney)]. Follow him on Twitter @morningmoneyben (https://twitter.com/morningmoneyben).
https://youtu.be/19KI_2X2Sfs
Zamalo da se prevarim, ali sam čuo uvodničarku i prekinuo!
Kaže da oni koji podržavaju Trampa mora da su pogazili sve moralne vrijednosti, ha! Neš mene mazat!
Ja ne znam, ko poslije ovog ne poželi predsjednika Trampa, koja komedija bi bila s njim četiri godine
http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37595321
da dođe Maja Gojković u posjetu!
Raspad kod republikanaca, okrenuli leđa Trampu, traže Pensa (http://www.b92.net/info/vesti/index.php?yyyy=2016&mm=10&dd=09&nav_category=78&nav_id=1185815)
ubi ga prejaka rec!
da je Markiz de Sad živ glavni lik bi mu bio Tramp!
Most Memorable Lines of the Second Presidential Debate (https://gma.yahoo.com/most-memorable-lines-second-presidential-debate-011944679--abc-news-topstories.html)
Uništavaju ga s ženskim pitanjem, a on ćuti o Klintonkinoj odbrani silovatelja osamdesetih. To mi baš čudno, ili čuva stvar za kraj kampanje. Ako ništa ne uradi žene će ga osakatiti na izborima, sasvim opravdano, naravno.
Samo je smiješno da će prva žena predsjednik biti osoba koja je na tehnikaliju oslobodila kazne dokazanog silovatelja, i još navodno pljuckala po žrtvi tokom suđenja. Ili to nije tačno, a o tome su ljevičarski mediji pisali, ili je to mnogo gore od bilo čega što Tramp čini.
Millennial Activists Left Unimpressed With Trump's Stance on Sexual Assault (https://www.yahoo.com/beauty/millennial-activists-left-unimpressed-with-trumps-190853331.html)
Before the second presidential debate on Oct. 9, Republican nominee Donald Trump called in the traveling press corps for a press conference on his "debate prep (https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-holds-pre-debate-event-with-bill-clinton-accusers-003028631.html)." What reporters were met with, however, was not the opportunity to ask the candidate any questions — including any about the 2005
Access Hollywood tape (https://www.yahoo.com/news/video-emerges-of-donald-trump-saying-shockingly-lewd-things-in-2005-205256001.html) reported on Friday evening by the
Washington Post in which Trump describes and brags to the show's co-host at the time, Billy Bush, about having committed sexual assault — but rather a gambit straight out of the annals of Trump's reality television roots.
Just over an hour before the second debate was scheduled to begin, Trump had several of the women who have accused former President Bill Clinton of sexual assault seated alongside him to recount their allegations.
Traveling press pool was told that the photo-op would be Trump conducting debate prep. Turned out to be a photo-op with Clinton accusers.
— Sopan Deb (@SopanDeb)
October 10, 2016 (https://twitter.com/SopanDeb/status/785275149981364224) It was a bold move, no matter your political orientation or opinions. And it was also one perhaps targeted at the millennial activists who have been redefining the national discourse around sexual assault and the true meaning of consent, those young enough to have missed out on the allegations against Presient Clinton in the early '90s but who lead the conversation on believing survivors today.
As Neera Tanden, the president of the liberal think tank the Center for American Progress, said in a tongue-in-cheek tweet (https://twitter.com/neeratanden/status/785263559970283520), "I can't think of a better way to appeal to college-educated women than Trump's 'debate prep.'"
And others on Twitter seemed to agree that the move, albeit dramatic, was ineffective and tone-deaf at best:
You are on a college campus where 1 in 5 women r survivors of
#sexualassault (https://twitter.com/hashtag/sexualassault?src=hash). Let's talk abt them. About justice. About ending rape #debates (https://twitter.com/hashtag/debates?src=hash)
— Sheila Katz (@SheilaKatz1) October 10, 2016 (https://twitter.com/SheilaKatz1/status/785289271594749955)
Using women as a human shields instead of being accountable for your words & actions just affirms that you think women are objects.
#debate (https://twitter.com/hashtag/debate?src=hash)
— Farrah Khan (@farrah_khan) October 10, 2016 (https://twitter.com/farrah_khan/status/785288804781391877)
So....this is #Trump (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Trump?src=hash)'s version of a damn debate prep? If these women were victims...parading them around for politics is DISGUSTING!
— Amber J. Younger (@AJ_Ski_Bum) October 9, 2016 (https://twitter.com/AJ_Ski_Bum/status/785265789431533568)
Trump has mocked these women. Belittled their looks. He's said Paula Jones should have "run faster."He's their champion? #debate (https://twitter.com/hashtag/debate?src=hash)
— Jennifer Weiner (@jenniferweiner) October 9, 2016 (https://twitter.com/jenniferweiner/status/785268335747489792)
We spoke with a number of such millennial activists, all members of Planned Parenthood's national Youth Leadership and Advocacy Council, to see exactly what they thought of this act of political theater — and it seems they were less than impressed and hardly thought that such a move in any way dampened the violent nature of the comments made by him on the leaked tape (https://www.yahoo.com/beauty/trump-locker-room-banter-171420910.html).
"One in five women in the United States will get sexually assaulted, and it is in part because of the way in which we talk about sexual assault," says Sadie Hernandez, a student at the University of Texas, Rio Grande Valley, tells Yahoo Beauty via email. "Luckily, millennials are more educated on the importance of consent than Trump and men like him. ... There's work to do, and millennials aren't afraid to organize. We've been working on changing the way we view and support victims of sexual assault and those who perpetuate it. These comments just fuel our momentum to change and challenge our society and get sexual assault apologists out of office."
Yoooo people are listening to Trump's response like "yeah obviously me sexually assaulting someone isn't as bad as murder overseas"
#debate (https://twitter.com/hashtag/debate?src=hash)
— sadie (@sadieeehdz) October 10, 2016 (https://twitter.com/sadieeehdz/status/785286687601545216) Gabe Linderman (https://twitter.com/gabelinderman?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor), a student at Ohio Wesleyan University, tells Yahoo Beauty by email, "Donald Trump's decision to use sexual assault survivors as political pawns is wildly unempathetic. Not only is his decision a poor political move, but it invalidates the experiences of the one in five women that will be sexually assaulted in their lives."
Despite whatever Trump is saying during this
#debate (https://twitter.com/hashtag/debate?src=hash) it is unforgivable that he is trying to use sexual assault survivors as political pawns
— Gabe Linderman (@gabelinderman) October 10, 2016 (https://twitter.com/gabelinderman/status/785300129607811072) Echoes Caroline Rexrode (https://twitter.com/carolinerexrode), a student at George Washington University in Washington, D.C., shared via email with Yahoo Beauty, "I know I am not the only young American who has been forced into an uncomfortable sexual situation by a man who sees me as less than human. I am also certain I am not the only one who relived that experience upon hearing Donald Trump's description of the sexual assault he committed. It is impossible to imagine a positive future for myself or any victim of sexual assault in a nation where our president openly condones rape while simultaneously abusing the name of a sexual assault survivor to further his political campaign."
And Leah Weisgal, a student at Westminster College in Utah, told Yahoo Beauty by email, "Growing up in New York City, I was barely a teenager the first time a grown man grabbed my genitals in public. It didn't feel like locker-room banter then. To hear a man deflect his own words condoning such behavior by using victims of a man who isn't even himself running for president makes me sick."
One election-system vendor uses developers in Serbia (http://www.computerworld.com/article/3126791/election-hacking/one-election-system-vendor-uses-developers-in-serbia.html)
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Voting machines are privately manufactured and developed and, as with other many other IT systems, the code is typically proprietary.
The use of proprietary systems in elections has its critics. One Silicon Valley group, the Open Source Election Technology Foundation (http://www.osetfoundation.org/), is pushing for an election system that shifts from proprietary, vendor-owned systems to one that that is owned "by the people of the United States."
But today, election system makers can operate in much the same manner as any vendor to build code; that includes using overseas developers.
One major election technology company, Dominion Voting Systems (DVS), develops its systems in the U.S. and Canada but also has an office in Belgrade, Serbia. It was recently advertising openings for four senior software developers in Belgrade (http://www.dominionvoting.com/company). "Like many of America's largest technology companies -- which develop some of the software for their products in places like Asia, India, Ireland and the Mideast -- some of our software development is undertaken outside the U.S. and Canada, specifically, in Serbia, where we have conducted operations for 10 years," said firm spokesman Chris Riggall, in an email.
Dominion said it takes measures "to ensure the accuracy, integrity and security of the software we create for our products."
"First, all of our software is developed in-house by DVS employees and this work is not outsourced to third parties. Second, we rigorously pre-screen all new hires to identify any potential security concerns among any personnel involved in product development. Third, we conduct extensive internal testing of all new software to evaluate the functionality, accuracy and security of the code designed for our systems," said Riggall.
The software "is subjected to rigorous review, analysis, testing and certification by election authorities at the federal, state and local level, including the federal Election Assistance Commission," said Riggall. The election system purchasing is managed by states and local governments. Once the code is certified, any changes require a new round of certification testing by election authorities, he said.
Alan Paller, president and director of research at the Sans Technology Institute, read Dominion's statement and said the "general care this vendor shows in this statement gives me no reason to believe there's any greater risk there than in any other company that manufacturers voting systems."
Paller said that "one shouldn't feel complacent about maintaining software development and manufacturing all within the United States because foreign agencies have successfully placed technically competent spies on the payroll of American technology companies."
But Suzanne Mello-Stark, a forensic computer scientist at Worcester Polytechnic Institute with a focus on voting machines, wants software and hardware transparency in voting systems.
"The systems are proprietary and we don't know what the code looks like," said Mello-Stark.
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The One Disgusting Thing Republicans And Democrats Agree On (http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-one-disgusting-thing-republicans-democrats-agree-on/)
Quote from: PizzobattoUništavaju ga s ženskim pitanjem, a on ćuti o Klintonkinoj odbrani silovatelja osamdesetih. To mi baš čudno, ili čuva stvar za kraj kampanje. Ako ništa ne uradi žene će ga osakatiti na izborima, sasvim opravdano, naravno.
mozda i on radi za Kilari. napada je, ali ne
previse, da bi joj to
stvarno naskodilo.
sudeći po Mehovom linku, ovo je kejs for Tru Detektiv!!!
..or not!
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/10/11/don-and-hillary-the-tragedy-of-the-great-american-soap-opera/
ovaj pasus je interesantan, apropo kejsa
QuoteTrump was always destined to be little more than the fall guy to get Clinton elected. While Trump has his loyal followers, the assumption was that the floating voter would never support such a figure and that Clinton would be a relatively safer bet. As Ron Horn on his Surviving Capitalism website argues, Clinton was always the US deep state's choice and she was always going to win – by hook or by crook.
Nešto dismr definitivno, ili se suviše zaigro s Bilom ili su mu uplatili par milijardi na račun da ćuti, ko će ga znati... nije kao da i on ne bi neko međunarodno sranje napravio... ovo je Mr Robot dilema, kao imamo revolucionare, al svi redom su drogaši i sajkoi... a ovdje imamo Trampa, koji se poigrava sa rasizmom, mizoginijom, ksenofobijom... Nikad na zelenu granu! :(
Slab sam na Counterpunch
jbt pa Tramp je spomenuo u debati da je Hilari branila ne običnog silovatelja, no silovatelja djevojčice od 12 godina, i smijala joj se u lice nakon oslobađanja njenog klijenta
pa koji moj ovo niko ne spominje... ja nisam ni znao da je riječ o pedofilu, šta to je nebitno...
Counterpunch, oh...
Pitaš se zašto niko ne spominje što je Tramp nešto spomenuo? Nije istina da niko ne spominje, evo ceo internet bruji i objašnjava o čemu je reč. Guglaj hillary defended rapist i čitaj.
Internet sajtovi pokrivaju ni 10% publike. Gotovo sve ide preko klasičnih kanala, nači CNN, FOX, NBC, CBS i ABC
od njih najviše pratim NBC, iako su totalni demokratski establišment, ali mi je tehnički najlakše, imaju najbolju aplikaciju i slično... Doduše, PBS ima ok app ali predugo traju, sat vremena vijesti svaki dan, ko hoće da gleda može vidjeti super novinarstvo, ali mnogo vremena oduzima...
NBC kenja po Trampu najstrašnije godinu dana. Nači ok je kritikovati, to čini i PBS, ali ti prikažeš tuče na mitinzima samo kada bijelac udari crnca (PBS inače tuče i ne prikazuje, što ja najpametnije), kad je obrnuto nema ga na NBC-ju, i slično...
Bespredmetno je pričati da neki marginalan sajt nešto spominje, čak i Huffington je mrvica u odnosu na TV mreže.
Da ne griješim dušu, nisam gledao jedno 3-4 dana zadnja ništa, ali imali su oni čitavu godinu, odavno se priča o tome, ali na internetu, znači nije vrijedno pomena što se tiče mase gledalaca.
eo, da ne bude Bata širi dezinformacije, iako Bata samo istinu širi, uvijek, besprekorno, pouzdano, nadasve pošteno i pravedno!
slika 1, politički sajtovi po popularnosti
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slika 2, odnos prema drugim domenima na internetu (Matthew Hindman, Myth of Digital Democracy)
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i sad neko vidi samo sliku 1 i misli ko zna šta
ispadoh prosječni demokrata, kuku!
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/fit-2016-political-party-quiz/
Liberal Democrat (mada, posto nisam Amerikanka kviz bas nije merodavan) :)
Cracked udario po Trampu udvojenim naporima :lol: :lol: :lol:
http://www.cracked.com/article_24393_8-insane-donald-trump-moments-world-totally-forgot.html
''All with the microphone on, mind you, because Trump has zero fucks to give.''
YES!!!!
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BOGOVSKI!!!
ej bre, meni je NBC nadrealan, napraviše horor od Trampovih uznemiravanja žena, doduše, jedna tvrdi da joj je stavio ruku pod suknju i pipkao, druga da je agresivno ljubio, ona nije rekla da može al ga je ipak pustila jer se zbunila zbog stravičnog naleta Trampa!!!
ali bre Bil Klinton optužen za bukvalno silovanje, ja ne vjerujem šta gledam, oni ne smiju da uporede Klintonove, sa sve branjenjem pedofila silovatelja, sa Trampom, nego bukvalno samo sipaju žrtve Trampovih pipkanja i štipkanja
koji ludi izbori, žene su naebale ko god dobije
U kom to svetu je Hilari Klinton odgovorna za prestupe Bila Klintona? Pritom, biti optužen i biti osuđen nije isto. Sva tri slučaja u kojima ima elemenata seksualnog prestupa su odbačena jer su "žrtve" lagale. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_sexual_misconduct_allegations
Opet troluješ.
ma naravno, šta drugo može biti
mac, jesi ti stvarno toliko krut oko ušiju?
Dakle, u ovom trenutku mi nemamo nikakve zvanične prijave protiv Trampa nego imamo medijske izjave
dakle, medijske izjave protiv Trampa još ne dostižu medijske izjave protiv Bila. Da li žrtve lažu nije posao novinara da procjenjuje, a Bilova navodna žrtva silovanja i dalje aktivno govori protiv njega, a ti se oslanjaš na pravni sistem SAD da bi dokazao da ona laže? Ko troluje, to je moje pitanje?
optužba za silovanje je medijska izjava, i treba biti profesionalno i podjednako pročešljana kao i izjava protiv Trampa. NBC to ne čini, ne ponaša se profesionalno, ne da ne daje podjednak prostor, jer par minuta više manje ne bi bio problem, nego evo ja koliko pratim, dvije cure su iskočile pred Baraka Obamu 11. septembra sa majicama ''Bill Clinton Rapist'', i to NBC nije prenio u glavnoj emisiji Nightly News, već imaš samo na sajtu. Zar to nije super stvar za Dnevnik, interesantno, svi bi gledali itd, a nema ga?
Zar to ne bi čitava nacija gledala?
I sad, šlag na tortu, kakve veze to ima sa Hilari? Jel ona se predstavlja kao zaštitnik žena i njihovih prava, kao neko ko je uvijek bio na njihovoj strani, a udata je za predatora Bila Klintona, i čistila je njegovo seksi smeće decenijama, čak učestvovala u medijskom spinu prema kojem on nije predator nego je stvorena iluzija da je keršme?
To nema veze sa Hilari, o ne, itekako ima. Kao i priča da je kao advokat branila silovatelja pedofila, i smijala se dvanaestogodišnjoj djevojčici, što je silovana izjavila. Jopet, tvrdiš da laže, super, no to nije posao novinara da procjenjuje no da dozvoli žrtvi da da izjavu za štampu.
Uostalom, Hilari Klinton je, i ovo je nesporna činjenica, mogla kao žena da odbije da brani silovatelja pedofila po službenoj dužnosti, ali ona je ispred ženskog identiteta stvaila sopstvenu karijeru.
To je toliko nesporan izbor Hilari Klinton da dovodi u pitanje njen moralni i ljudski, samim tim i ženski integritet, iza kojeg se sada lažno krije.
Ali ponavljam, ženama su oba kandidata loše, samo je pitanje zašto neko misli da je baš Tramp lošiji po žene? Zato što je Hilari žena? E pa to građani treba pošteno sa svim informacijama da prosude, a ne da se o njenoj odbrani pedofila uopšte ne govori, dakle nijedan jedini sekund. Kada građani imaju sve informacije šta god izaberu biće pošteno.
Ja mogu kao ljevičar da imam ogromnu skepsu prema Trampu, ali njega mediji gaze a ne nju, i s pravom se treba zapitati zašto, imajući u vidu da su ti isti mediji lagali za Sadamovo oružje, izbjegavali da govore o mučenju u Gvantanamu, pretvorili Bila u šmekera a Buša naftnog tajkunčinu i mentalnog retarda u dobrodušnog kantrimena, Ala Gora koji baca radioaktivne bombe u borca za životnu sredinu.
Nema šta, tim medijim ti vjeruj.
Jbg, voleo bih da imam vremena da sad odgovaram na sve ovo, ali 1. nemam, i 2. nema ni svrhe jer pričam s Batom kome je više stalo do prašine nego do suštine.
ok, da ti skratim vrijeme, ja ću računati da si ti prosto glup, i time završavam
David Wong jaz između pristalica Klintonove i Trampa tumači kao vječiti sukob na relaciji selo-grad:
http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about/
Quote from: Meho Krljic on 18-10-2016, 16:22:40
vječiti sukob
ko je hakovo Mehov nalog!
inače, odličan tekst
Koristim ja ijekavicu kada istorijske okolnosti to nalažu. :lol:
http://youtu.be/57qTegcMT3g
Tramp ide istorijskim stopama srpske, crnogorske i drugih opozicija, unapred veli da pošto su izbori namešteni, rezultat u kome bi on izgubio vrlo lako može da smatra ništavnim:
Trump refuses to say that he will accept election results (https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-refuses-to-say-whether-he-will-accept-election-results-024518122.html)
http://youtu.be/tZCEC-AcAWI
dva kralja komedije pričaju o trećem kralju. Life is great!
baš sam se malo podsjetio Konana, odavno ga nisam gledao
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ix5284o9MM
Tvorac Dilberta pokušava da izleči glasačko telo od masovne hipnoze tima Klinton
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/152024526021/i-wake-you-up-for-the-presidential-debate
mac je na putu izliječenja!!!
Ah, pa stara je to istina:
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ne znam bogumi, eo Konan ga je malo prećerao s ovim
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DcrmnRijTQ
Inače, Tramp ga sada prećeruje s ženskim pitanjem, ladno se nada da će biti ukinuto pravo žena na abortus na federalnom nivou, i da se to prenese na federalne jedinice, iliti države članice SAD
to bi značilo da u Alabami ne može a u Kaliforniji može, hm... šta će mu to u životu...
Plus, koliko sam "nacula" u poslednjoj debati nije znao da napravi razliku izmedju carskog reza i abortusa. ouch.
svi su to pisali ali nije o tome bila riječ, već o intervenciji u poodmakloj trudnoći, ako je ugroženo zdravlje žene
mislim, na šta se njihova razmišljanja o ljudskim pravima svode, da li fetus treba ubiti ako je ugroženo zdravlje trudnice u 9. mjesecu, jer fetus ima pravo na život
hajde probaj, ono, ljudsko pravo na pristojnu zaradu ili tako nešto
dok je Sanders još bio u trci morala je i Hilari tu da se prilagođava, da govori o povećanju minimalca, sad ćuti i ona
i ubace ovako neko retardirano pitanje, koje smo mi, dal zbog komunizma ili šta već, mi o tome uopšte ne razmišljamo, to se podrazumijeva da vadiš plod ako ugrožava majku, al eto, ovima to glavna tema
http://people.com/politics/salma-hayek-claims-donald-trump-planted-story-denied-date/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yosAVMB47-Y
2:58 <3
hahahahahahahahah <3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weeNYQg_j04
Trump abruptly ends interview after question about people calling him sexist, racist (https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-abruptly-ends-interview-after-question-about-people-calling-him-sexist-racist-151427693.html)
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Donald Trump walked away from a reporter (http://www.mediaite.com/tv/trump-abruptly-ends-interview-after-reporter-asks-about-people-calling-him-sexist-racist/) mid-interview Thursday after he was asked about people who've called him a racist and a sexist.
In a one-on-one interview (http://nbc4i.com/2016/10/20/watch-colleen-marshalls-1-on-1-interview-with-donald-trump/) ahead of his campaign rally in Ohio, local NBC4 reporter Colleen Marshall questioned the Republican presidential nominee about his widely disputed voter fraud claims (https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trumps-sons-say-the-election-is-plagued-by-cheating-and-voter-fraud-054339785.html), criticisms of his tax plan and even the string of prominent Republicans (https://www.yahoo.com/news/republicans-lacerate-trump-after-video-leak-of-obscene-2005-comments-141929683.html) who've withdrawn their support for his campaign following the release of the now-infamous "Access Hollywood" videotape earlier this month.
But when the conversation turned to accusations of racism and sexism, it was clear Trump had had enough.
"Nineteen days out from the election, you've been labeled a racist, you've been called a sexist," Marshall began before the candidate cut her off.
"Thank you very much," Trump said abruptly as he started to walk away.
Marshall made a final attempt to ask, "How do you respond to that?"
Trump turned around and retorted: "I am the least racist person you've ever met."
amazingly opušteno :lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nnqx6PYLqoQ&feature=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nnqx6PYLqoQ&feature=youtu.be)
jest da 90% teksta nema veze sa psihologijom, ali eo i dijagnoze Hilari Klinton od nekog proruskog Amerikanca. Fokus je na njenom ponašanju u slučaju ubijanja Gadafija
http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/if-hillary-wins-will-she-kill-us-all/ri16905
ovdje je prevod, ali nema snimka
http://www.standard.rs/svet/35961-%D1%85%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B8-%D0%BA%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BD-%D0%BD%D0%B0-%D0%BF%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%85%D0%B8%D1%98%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%98%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BC-%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%83%D1%87%D1%83
Quote from: Pizzobatto on 22-10-2016, 20:11:51
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weeNYQg_j04 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weeNYQg_j04)
:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
Watch This AI Platform Assess Trump's And Clinton's Emotional Intelligence (https://www.fastcompany.com/3064863/election-2016/watch-this-ai-platform-assess-trumps-and-clintons-emotional-intelligence)
https://amp.businessinsider.com/why-is-donald-trumps-skin-orange-2016-10
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tvist na kraju: glasači Hilari Klinton su zombiji!
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:D
All work and no Trump makes Jack a dull boy!
Quote from: Pizzobatto on 25-10-2016, 15:14:18
tvist na kraju: glasači Hilari Klinton su zombiji!
Brrrrrrrrrrr...
stvarno ljudi, šta im je činiti, izbor izmedju kompletnog ludaka ili nesrećnog zla??
Uvek mogu da glasaju za Garija Džonsona (https://www.johnsonweld.com/). Ne zna šta je to Alepo (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/09/us/politics/gary-johnson-aleppo.html?_r=0) niti ume da navede ime ijednog političara koji nije Amerikanac (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/28/gary-johnson-cant-name-foreign-leader-aleppo-moment), ali on je treći kandidat po snazi u ovom trenutku :lol:
znači tako... :lol:
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Quote from: Agota on 25-10-2016, 15:22:05
Quote from: Pizzobatto on 25-10-2016, 15:14:18
tvist na kraju: glasači Hilari Klinton su zombiji!
Brrrrrrrrrrr...
stvarno ljudi, šta im je činiti, izbor izmedju kompletnog ludaka ili nesrećnog zla??
а ко је луд а ко је несрећно зло?
ako treba da se pojašnjava - ko je lud ?? onda neka pobedi Tramp! :-|
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Susan Sarandon Prefers Donald Trump's Wall to Hillary Clinton's 'Moral Judgment'
http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2016/04/28/sarandon-prefers-trumps-wall-to-clintons-moral-judgment/ (http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2016/04/28/sarandon-prefers-trumps-wall-to-clintons-moral-judgment/)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTL-IL4qZFM
Quote from: Agota on 25-10-2016, 15:46:16
ako treba da se pojašnjava - ko je lud ?? onda neka pobedi Tramp! :-|
TAKOE!!!
Quote from: Agota on 25-10-2016, 15:46:16
ako treba da se pojašnjava - ko je lud ?? onda neka pobedi Tramp! :-|
јбг, ја стварно не видим да је он ишта луд или луђи - мислим ако изузмемо лудила која су постала нормална у данашњем политичком естаблишменту а од којих болује 99% политичара - попут нарцисизма који је постао обавезна карактерна црта целокупне светске политичке сцене...са друге стране, 'несрећно зло' (ако је лессер евил у питању) за мене је трамп а не клинтон. клинтон је вољно зло и озбиљно поремећено људско биће (илустрација (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlz3-OzcExI))
to smješkanje je stvarno uznemirujuće, i nije se desilo jednom
http://www.factcheck.org/2016/06/clintons-1975-rape-case/
realno, nesam šrink al mogu da pogledam, to je simptom šizofrenije
eo male igre ''Ko laže?''
Hafington
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-nonsense-on-obamacare_us_580f6a39e4b0a03911eec257
NY Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/26/us/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-affordable-care-act.html?_r=0
PBS
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/trumps-debate-claim-health-care-costs-rising-true/
NA brzinu pogledano, izgleda da PBS ponajmanje laže... mada, naravno, sva tri medija, opet najmanje PBS, ignorišu fakat da je Sandersovo zdravstvo bilo ponajbolje.
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Michael Bloomberg nails the 'greatest conundrum' America faces today (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/michael-bloomberg-pinpoints-the-greatest-conundrum-america-faces-today-222027965.html)
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Former New York City Mayor Mike Bloomberg attempted to explain the sentiment of Donald Trump's supporters, noting that many would be "flipping hamburgers" after they lose their jobs to technology.
"One thing that has to be said here is Donald Trump really does represent 40% to 45% of this country. They are petrified of their future. Their next job once they get laid off is going to be flipping hamburgers. They're going to live until 85 and their Social Security is not enough to live on and they're being forced out of their jobs in their fifties or whatever," the multi-billionaire media and technology magnate said at Bloomberg's "The Year Ahead" conference in New York on Tuesday.
He acknowledged that technology, not global trade, is destroying an enormous number of jobs. Indeed, this explains why manufacturing activity is up even as manufacturing jobs falter (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/clinton-and-trump-are-debating-about-the-economy-like-its-1996-114649869.html). This is a problem that affects the constituents of both political parties.
Bloomberg later added that the "greatest conundrum" the next administration and the country faces will be how to create jobs as technology forces more people out of work. He noted some estimates suggest that up to 40% of jobs could be automated.
There was a time when people called on Bloomberg to run for president. Bloomberg considered a presidential run as a third-party candidate, but he believes he would have garnered one-third of the vote and no one would have a majority. The decision would have gone to the House of Representatives and they would have picked Trump.
"You just can't do that to this country," Bloomberg, who has now publicly endorsed Hillary Clinton, said.
Bloomberg expects that Clinton will win the presidency and the House will remain Republican. That said, he doesn't expect Clinton to get "much cooperation" out of the House and she'll have a huge disapproval rating in the "honeymoon" period of her presidency.
Four years from now, it wouldn't surprise him if Sen. Ted Cruz ran against Sen. Elizabeth Warren.
Ne, bolje Tramp el hefe a demokratska većina u Kongresu!
Donald Trump: 'We Should Just Cancel the Election and Just Give It to Trump' (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-cancel-election-give-trump/story?id=43117877&yptr=yahoo)
Bejbi, it ejnt ouver til itz ouver.
Clinton calls on FBI to release 'full and complete facts' from email probe (https://www.yahoo.com/news/clinton-campaign-calls-on-fbi-immediately-release-more-details-from-email-probe-200435253.html)
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Hillary Clinton and her campaign criticized the FBI's Friday announcement (https://gma.yahoo.com/fbi-director-says-congressional-investigation-hillary-clinton-emails-175804512--abc-news-topstories.html#) that it would be examining more emails potentially connected to its earlier investigation of her email server, calling it "extraordinary" that the news would break less than two weeks before a presidential election.
Clinton said she expects the examination of newly discovered material reportedly uncovered in a criminal probe of Anthony Weiner, the estranged husband of longtime Clinton aide Huma Abedin, to result in no new charges.
"The American people deserve to get the full and complete facts immediately. The director himself has said he doesn't know whether the emails referenced in his letter are significant or not. I'm confident whatever they are will not change the conclusion reached in July," Clinton told reporters Friday evening after a Des Moines, Iowa, rally.
Clinton campaign chair John Podesta first called on FBI Director James Comey on Friday afternoon to provide the "full details" of what new emails he is now probing before Clinton echoed the call.
Clinton, who briefly answered questions from the press, said she was confident any new information would not change the decision the FBI reached months ago. But with the presidential election 11 days away — and early voting already underway in many states — she was eager to put the matter to rest.
"We've heard these rumors. We don't know what to believe. And I'm sure there will be even more rumors. That's why it's incumbent upon the FBI to tell us what they're talking about, because right now your guess is as good as mine," Clinton said.
FBI Director James Comey wrote to Congress on Friday that he had uncovered emails in an unrelated case that "appear to be pertinent" to the agency's previous investigation into Clinton's use of a private email server while secretary of state. Comey said investigators would look into whether the emails contained classified information. In July, Comey announced he would not be recommending prosecution in Clinton's case, because no laws were broken, though he chastised Clinton for being "careless" with classified information.
The New York Times and the Associated Press reported Friday that the new emails were uncovered while the FBI was investigating inappropriate text messages that Weiner allegedly sent to a 15-year-old girl (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/29/us/politics/fbi-hillary-clinton-email.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur). Weiner is the husband of Clinton's longtime aide Huma Abedin, and the FBI seized devices that belonged to both Weiner and Abedin in the investigation, the Times reported. Abedin announced she was separating from Weiner several months ago.
The Clinton campaign's statement also said the FBI's announcement did not indicate the agency was "reopening" the previous investigation into Clinton.
"FBI Director Comey should immediately provide the American public more information than is contained in the letter he sent to eight Republican committee chairmen," Podesta said. "Already, we have seen characterizations that the FBI is 'reopening' an investigation, but Comey's words do not match that characterization."
Kao i:
2006 Audio Emerges of Hillary Clinton Proposing Rigging Palestine Election (http://observer.com/2016/10/2006-audio-emerges-of-hillary-clinton-proposing-rigging-palestine-election/)
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Unearthed tape: 'We should have made sure that we did something to determine who was going to win'
On September 5, 2006, Eli Chomsky was an editor and staff writer for the Jewish Press, and Hillary Clinton was running for a shoo-in re-election as a U.S. senator. Her trip making the rounds of editorial boards brought her to Brooklyn to meet the editorial board of the Jewish Press.
The tape was never released and has only been heard by the small handful of Jewish Press staffers in the room. According to Chomsky, his old-school audiocassette is the only existent copy and no one has heard it since 2006, until today when he played it for the Observer.
The tape is 45 minutes and contains much that is no longer relevant, such as analysis of the re-election battle that Sen. Joe Lieberman was then facing in Connecticut. But a seemingly throwaway remark about elections in areas controlled by the Palestinian Authority has taken on new relevance amid persistent accusations in the presidential campaign by Clinton's Republican opponent Donald Trump that the current election (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-defending-rigged-election-talk-calls-president/story?id=43053336) is "rigged."
Speaking to the Jewish Press about the January 25, 2006, election for the second Palestinian Legislative Council (the legislature of the Palestinian National Authority), Clinton weighed in about the result, which was a resounding victory for Hamas (74 seats) over the U.S.-preferred Fatah (45 seats).
"I do not think we should have pushed for an election in the Palestinian territories. I think that was a big mistake," said Sen. Clinton. "And if we were going to push for an election, then we should have made sure that we did something to determine who was going to win."
Chomsky recalls being taken aback that "anyone could support the idea—offered by a national political leader, no less—that the U.S. should be in the business of fixing foreign elections."
Some eyebrows were also raised when then-Senator Clinton appeared to make a questionable moral equivalency.
Regarding capturing combatants in war—the June capture of IDF soldier Gilad Shalit by Hamas militants who came across the Gaza border via an underground tunnel was very much front of mind—Clinton can be heard on the tape saying, "And then, when, you know, Hamas, you know, sent the terrorists, you know, through the tunnel into Israel that killed and captured, you know, kidnapped the young Israeli soldier, you know, there's a sense of like, one-upsmanship, and in these cultures of, you know, well, if they captured a soldier, we've got to capture a soldier."
Equating Hamas, which to this day remains on the State Department's official list (http://www.state.gov/j/ct/rls/other/des/123085.htm) of Foreign Terrorist Organizations, with the armed forces of a close American ally was not what many expected to hear in the Jewish Press editorial offices, which were then at Third Avenue and Third Street in Brooklyn. (The paper's office has since moved to the Boro Park section of Brooklyn.) The use of the phrase "these cultures" is also a bit of a head-scratcher.
According to Chomsky, Clinton was "gracious, personable and pleasant throughout" the interview, taking about an hour to speak to, in addition to himself, managing editor Jerry Greenwald, assistant to the publisher Naomi Klass Mauer, counsel Dennis Rapps and senior editor Jason Maoz.
Another part of the tape highlights something that was relatively uncontroversial at the time but has taken on new meaning in light of the current campaign—speaking to leaders with whom our country is not on the best terms. Clinton has presented a very tough front in discussing Russia, for example, accusing Trump of unseemly ardor for strongman Vladimir Putin and mocking his oft-stated prediction (http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/28/politics/donald-trump-vladimir-putin-quotes/) that as president he'd "get along" with Putin.
Chomsky is heard on the tape asking Clinton what now seems like a prescient question about Syria, given the disaster unfolding there and its looming threat to drag the U.S., Iran and Russia into confrontation.
"Do you think it's worth talking to Syria—both from the U.S. point [of view] and Israel's point [of view]?"
Clinton replied, "You know, I'm pretty much of the mind that I don't see what it hurts to talk to people. As long as you're not stupid and giving things away. I mean, we talked to the Soviet Union for 40 years. They invaded Hungary, they invaded Czechoslovakia, they persecuted the Jews, they invaded Afghanistan, they destabilized governments, they put missiles 90 miles from our shores, we never stopped talking to them," an answer that reflects her mastery of the facts but also reflects a willingness to talk to Russia that sounds more like Trump 2016 than Clinton 2016.
Shortly after, she said, "But if you say, 'they're evil, we're good, [and] we're never dealing with them,' I think you give up a lot of the tools that you need to have in order to defeat them...So I would like to talk to you [the enemy] because I want to know more about you. Because if I want to defeat you, I've got to know something more about you. I need different tools to use in my campaign against you. That's my take on it."
A final bit of interest to the current campaign involves an articulation of phrases that Trump has accused Clinton of being reluctant to use. Discussing the need for a response to terrorism, Clinton said, "I think you can make the case that whether you call it 'Islamic terrorism' or 'Islamo-fascism,' whatever the label is we're going to give to this phenomenon, it's a threat. It's a global threat. To Europe, to Israel, to the United States...Therefore we need a global response. It's a global threat and it needs a global response. That can be the, sort of, statement of principle...So I think sometimes having the global vision is a help as long as you realize that underneath that global vision there's a lot of variety and differentiation that has to go on."
It's not clear what she means by a global vision with variety and differentiation, but what's quite clear is that the then-senator, just five years after her state was the epicenter of the September 11 attacks, was comfortable deploying the phrase "Islamic terrorism" and the even more strident "Islamo-fascism," at least when meeting with the editorial board of a Jewish newspaper.
In an interview before the Observer heard the tape, Chomsky told the Observer that Clinton made some "odd and controversial comments" on the tape. The irony of a decade-old recording emerging to feature a candidate making comments that are suddenly relevant to voters today was not lost on Chomsky, who wrote the original story at the time. Oddly enough, that story, headlined "Hillary Clinton on Israel, Iraq and Terror," is no longer available on jewishpress.com and even a short summary (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1725828/posts) published on the Free Republic site offers a broken link that can no longer surface the story.
"I went to my bosses at the time," Chomsky told the Observer. "The Jewish Press had this mindset that they would not want to say anything offensive about anybody—even a direct quote from anyone—in a position of influence because they might need them down the road. My bosses didn't think it was newsworthy at the time. I was convinced that it was and I held onto it all these years."
Disclosure: Donald Trump is the father-in-law of Jared Kushner, publisher of Observer Media.
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Twist, Tramp je bio u svima nama sve vreme!!!!!!!
Professor who's correctly called every presidential election since 1984 predicts Trump will win (https://www.yahoo.com/news/professor-whos-correctly-called-every-presidential-election-since-1984-predicts-trump-will-win-202136418.html?ref=gs)
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Hillary Clinton may still be ahead in most national polls (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/10/29/clinton-47-trump-45-in-post-abc-tracking-poll/), but at least one expert remains convinced that Donald Trump will be our next president.
American University Professor Allen J. Lichtman, who has accurately predicted the winner of every presidential election since 1984, first forecast a victory for the GOP nominee during an interview with the Washington Post last month (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/05/12/this-professor-has-predicted-every-presidential-election-since-1984-hes-still-trying-to-figure-out-2016/?tid=a_inl). Granted, this was before the release of the now-infamous "Access Hollywood" tape, followed by mounting allegations (https://www.yahoo.com/news/former-miss-utah-temple-taggart-speaks-out-against-trumps-threat-to-sue-his-accusers-215203242.html) of sexual misconduct, which Trump has attempted to counter with claims that the election is rigged and that the media is conspiring against him. Meanwhile, the tense presidential debates concluded with the suggestion from Trump (https://www.yahoo.com/news/some-republicans-rip-trump-for-refusal-to-say-hell-accept-election-results-155052341.html) that he might not accept the outcome of the election if he is not the winner.
Despite all this, however, Lichtman has not wavered from his prediction.
"By the narrowest of possible margins, the keys still point to a Trump victory," he told the Post this week. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/10/28/professor-whos-predicted-30-years-of-presidential-elections-correctly-is-doubling-down-on-a-trump-win/)
As Lichtman noted in this latest interview, he is not a "psychic," nor does he "look into a crystal ball." Rather, his projections are based on a unique system that relies on 13 True/False questions, or "keys," to evaluate the strength of the incumbent party.
"An answer of True on these True/False questions always favors the reelection of the party in power," Lichtman explained. "And if six or more of the 13 keys are False, the party in power, the party holding the White House, is the predicted loser — any six or more."
Until last month, he said, the Democratic Party only had five keys against it. The final key that led Lichtman to make his prediction that Trump will win was "the third-party key, and that is based on an assessment that you would expect the third-party candidate, in this case the Libertarian candidate, Gary Johnson, to get 5 percent or more of the vote."
While "severe and unprecedented," Lichtman said that the problems created for Trump by the "Access Hollywood" tape and subsequent sexual assault claims did not ultimately change any of the keys.
Still, he provided "two major qualifications" to his projection, noting that "I'm not a hedger, and I've never qualified before, in 30 years of predictions."
The first qualification is that, according to Lichtman's system, "it takes six keys to count the party in power out, and they have exactly six keys," one of which requires that at least 5 percent of the popular vote go to Gary Johnson.
"He could slip below that, which would shift the prediction," Lichtman said.
The other qualification is Trump himself.
"We have never seen someone who is broadly regarded as a history-shattering, precedent-making, dangerous candidate who could change the patterns of history that have prevailed since the election of Abraham Lincoln in 1860," Lichtman said.
Though his system, which was developed by studying every presidential election between 1960 and 1980, has proven to be a reliable indicator of election outcomes for the past 20 years, Lichtman admitted that "this election has the potential to shatter the normal boundaries of American politics and reset everything—including, perhaps, reset the keys to the White House."
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AI system finds Trump will win the White House and is more popular than Obama in 2008 (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/ai-system-finds-trump-win-104022784.html)
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An artificial intelligence system that correctly predicted the last three U.S. presidential elections puts Republican nominee Donald Trump (http://www.cnbc.com/donald-trump/?__source=yahoo%7Cfinance%7Cinline%7Cstory%7Cstory&par=yahoo&doc=104059099)ahead of Democrat rival Hillary Clinton (http://www.cnbc.com/hillary-clinton/?__source=yahoo%7Cfinance%7Cinline%7Cstory%7Cstory&par=yahoo&doc=104059099)in the race for the White House.
MogIA was developed by Sanjiv Rai, founder of Indian start-up Genic.ai. It takes in 20 million data points from public platforms including Google, Facebook, Twitter and YouTube in the U.S. and then analyzes the information to create predictions.
The AI system was created in 2004, so it has been getting smarter all the time. It had already correctly predicted the results of the Democratic and Republican Primaries.
Data such as engagement with tweets or Facebook Live videos have been taken into account. The result is that Trump has overtaken the engagement numbers of Barack Obama (http://www.cnbc.com/barack-obama/?__source=yahoo%7Cfinance%7Cinline%7Cstory%7Cstory&par=yahoo&doc=104059099)'s peak in 2008 — the year he was elected president — by 25 percent.
Rai said that his AI system shows that the candidate in each election who had leading engagement data ended up winning the election.
"If Trump loses, it will defy the data trend for the first time in the last 12 years since Internet engagement began in full earnest," Rai wrote in a report sent to CNBC.
Currently most national polls put Clinton and the Democrats ahead by a strong margin. Rai said his data shows that Clinton should not get complacent.
But the entrepreneur admitted that there were limitations to the data in that sentiment around social media posts is difficult for the system to analyze. Just because somebody engages with a Trump tweet, it doesn't mean that they support him. Also there are currently more people on social media than there were in the three previous presidential elections.
"If you look at the primaries, in the primaries, there were immense amounts of negative conversations that happen with regards to Trump. However, when these conversations started picking up pace, in the final days, it meant a huge game opening for Trump and he won the primaries with a good margin," Rai told CNBC in a phone interview.
Using social media to predict outcomes of elections has become increasingly popular because of the amount of data available publicly. In September, Nick Beauchamp, an assistant professor of political science at Northeastern University, published a paper about his experiment applying AI to more than 100 million tweets in the 2012 election. He found that this closely mirrored the results seen in state-level polling.
"These results provide not just a tool for generating surveylike data, but also a method for investigating how what people say and think reflects, and perhaps even affects, their vote intentions," Beauchamp said.
Rai said his system would be improved by more granular data. He said that If Google was to give him access to the unique internet addresses assigned to each digital device, he could then collect data on exactly what people were thinking.
For example, Rai said if someone was searching for a YouTube video on how to vote, then looked for a video on how to vote for Trump, this could give the AI a good idea of the voter's intention. He added that there would be no privacy concerns as these internet addresses would be anonymized.
"Granularity of data will determine progressively lesser bias despite the weightage of negative or positive conversations," Rai wrote in his report, explaining how to improve the system.
MogIA is based on Mowgli, the child from Rudyard Kipling's novel "The Jungle Book." Rai said this is because his AI model learns from the environment.
"While most algorithms suffer from programmers/developer's biases, MoglA aims at learning from her environment, developing her own rules at the policy layer and develop expert systems without discarding any data," Rai said.
Correction: MogIA is based on Mowgli from the novel "The Jungle Book." An earlier version misspelled the character's name.
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Trump spikes 30% in one prediction market after FBI letter on new Clinton-related emails (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-spikes-30-one-prediction-204133350.html)
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Donald Trump (http://www.cnbc.com/donald-trump/?__source=yahoo%7Cfinance%7Cinline%7Cstory%7Cstory&par=yahoo&doc=104060574)spiked more than 30 percent (Unknown: TRUMP.16) in one prediction market, following Friday's news that the FBI is reviewing new emails related to Hillary Clinton (http://www.cnbc.com/hillary-clinton/?__source=yahoo%7Cfinance%7Cinline%7Cstory%7Cstory&par=yahoo&doc=104060574)'s personal email server. She gained back some points after initially dropping 10 percent in the same market.
Contract at Predict It track the market's chances of a particular candidate winning the presidential election next month. As Trump's contract rose and was trading at 26 cents, the Democratic presidential nominee's Predict It contract (Unknown: CLINTON.16) traded lower at 77 cents.
FBI Director James Comey sent a letter (http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/28/fbi-probing-new-clinton-emails.html?__source=yahoo%7Cfinance%7Cinline%7Cstory%7Cstory&par=yahoo&doc=104060574)to lawmakers Friday to supplement his previous testimony on the investigation related to Clinton's emails.
"In connection with an unrelated case, the FBI has learned of the existence of emails that appear to be pertinent to the investigation," Comey said. "I agreed that the FBI should take appropriate investigative steps designed to allow investigators to review these emails to determine whether they contain classified information, as well as to assess their importance to our investigation," he added.
Predict It (https://www.predictit.org/) is a real-money political prediction market, or a stock market for politics. The Victoria University of Wellington project allows users to anonymously buy or sell shares of different political "contracts" to analyze market perceptions of a given event.
Дони, издржи!
Ja sam pre dva meseca sanjao Hilari i rekla mi je da ce pobediti. Dzaba vam naucni sistemi. Polje Akashe je reklo - Klinton!
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Krekd:
A Blow-By-Blow Account Of The Trump Campaign Disaster (http://www.cracked.com/blog/a-blow-by-blow-account-trump-campaign-disaster/)
Dobro, Krekd radi za šta je plaćen, jelte. A evo sad nešto kontra toga:
Professor who's correctly called every presidential election since 1984 predicts Trump will win (https://uk.news.yahoo.com/professor-whos-correctly-called-every-presidential-election-since-1984-predicts-trump-will-win-202136418.html?ref=gs)
QuoteHillary Clinton may still be ahead in most national polls (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/10/29/clinton-47-trump-45-in-post-abc-tracking-poll/), but at least one expert remains convinced that Donald Trump will be our next president.
American University Professor Allen J. Lichtman, who has accurately predicted the winner of every presidential election since 1984, first forecast a victory for the GOP nominee during an interview with the Washington Post last month (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/05/12/this-professor-has-predicted-every-presidential-election-since-1984-hes-still-trying-to-figure-out-2016/?tid=a_inl). Granted, this was before the release of the now-infamous "Access Hollywood" tape, followed by mounting allegations (https://www.yahoo.com/news/former-miss-utah-temple-taggart-speaks-out-against-trumps-threat-to-sue-his-accusers-215203242.html) of sexual misconduct, which Trump has attempted to counter with claims that the election is rigged and that the media is conspiring against him. Meanwhile, the tense presidential debates concluded with the suggestion from Trump (https://www.yahoo.com/news/some-republicans-rip-trump-for-refusal-to-say-hell-accept-election-results-155052341.html) that he might not accept the outcome of the election if he is not the winner.
Despite all this, however, Lichtman has not wavered from his prediction.
"By the narrowest of possible margins, the keys still point to a Trump victory," he told the Post this week. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/10/28/professor-whos-predicted-30-years-of-presidential-elections-correctly-is-doubling-down-on-a-trump-win/)
As Lichtman noted in this latest interview, he is not a "psychic," nor does he "look into a crystal ball." Rather, his projections are based on a unique system that relies on 13 True/False questions, or "keys," to evaluate the strength of the incumbent party.
"An answer of True on these True/False questions always favors the reelection of the party in power," Lichtman explained. "And if six or more of the 13 keys are False, the party in power, the party holding the White House, is the predicted loser — any six or more."
Until last month, he said, the Democratic Party only had five keys against it. The final key that led Lichtman to make his prediction that Trump will win was "the third-party key, and that is based on an assessment that you would expect the third-party candidate, in this case the Libertarian candidate, Gary Johnson, to get 5 percent or more of the vote."
While "severe and unprecedented," Lichtman said that the problems created for Trump by the "Access Hollywood" tape and subsequent sexual assault claims did not ultimately change any of the keys.
Still, he provided "two major qualifications" to his projection, noting that "I'm not a hedger, and I've never qualified before, in 30 years of predictions."
The first qualification is that, according to Lichtman's system, "it takes six keys to count the party in power out, and they have exactly six keys," one of which requires that at least 5 percent of the popular vote go to Gary Johnson.
"He could slip below that, which would shift the prediction," Lichtman said.
The other qualification is Trump himself.
"We have never seen someone who is broadly regarded as a history-shattering, precedent-making, dangerous candidate who could change the patterns of history that have prevailed since the election of Abraham Lincoln in 1860," Lichtman said.
Though his system, which was developed by studying every presidential election between 1960 and 1980, has proven to be a reliable indicator of election outcomes for the past 20 years, Lichtman admitted that "this election has the potential to shatter the normal boundaries of American politics and reset everything—including, perhaps, reset the keys to the White House."
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Krekd:
A Blow-By-Blow Account Of The Trump Campaign Disaster (http://www.cracked.com/blog/a-blow-by-blow-account-trump-campaign-disaster/)
Никад боље систематизован списак разлога зашто Трамп МОРА да постане президент!
Заборавили су да кажу да личи на Картмена!
Posle četiri godine Trampa:
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Čak i sam tekst priznaje da su ovo neke slabe veze. Dobar pokušaj, ali...
Reports detail Trump campaign's alleged ties to Russia (https://www.yahoo.com/news/reports-detail-trump-campaigns-alleged-ties-to-russia-190230912.html)
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For those few voters who remain undecided a week before the 2016 presidential election, the choice between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton may come down to which potential new scandal they can look past. The FBI announced on Friday that it had discovered new emails that may be "pertinent" to its investigation of Clinton's use of a private server while secretary of state. Meanwhile, new reports have emerged alleging "close ties" between Trump and the Russian government.
"If somebody has an issue with emails as opposed to someone who has an issue with shady dealings with a foreign government, perhaps, it may be hard to weigh," David Corn, Washington bureau chief for Mother Jones magazine, told Yahoo News on Tuesday.
On Monday, Corn reported that a veteran ex-spy who specializes in Russian counterintelligence told his publication he provided the FBI with a memo alleging that the Russian government "has been cultivating, supporting and assisting Trump for at least 5 years (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/10/veteran-spy-gave-fbi-info-alleging-russian-operation-cultivate-donald-trump)," and that there was "an established exchange of information between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin of mutual benefit."
The report came a day after Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid sent a scathing letter to FBI Director James Comey (http://www.reid.senate.gov/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Letter-to-Director-Comey-10_30_2016.pdf), blasting his decision to publicly reveal the newly discovered Clinton emails without disclosing information the bureau may have on alleged ties between Trump's Republican presidential campaign and the Kremlin.
"In my communications with you and other top officials in the national security community, it has become clear that you possess explosive information about close ties and coordination between Donald Trump, his top advisors, and the Russian government," Reid wrote. "The public has a right to know this information."
Trump and his campaign have repeatedly denied they have any connection with Russia.
"There's nothing wrong with a presidential candidate talking to a foreign government if he or she chooses to do so," Corn said. But it does sort of fit into this overall picture we've seen in this campaign of Russian hackers targeting Democratic targets, and leaking information in a way that harms Hillary Clinton and seems to benefit Donald Trump. And we have seen Donald Trump almost inexplicably defend if not sometimes praise [Russian President Vladimir] Putin in a way no other Republican candidate ever has."
On the campaign trail, Trump has regularly heaped praise on Putin and criticized both Clinton and President Obama for taking a hard line against the Russian strongman. Bill Browder, chief executive of Hermitage Capital and noted Putin critic, told Yahoo News on Tuesday that Trump's affection for Putin defies logic.
"Nobody really knows what's behind the sort of love affair of between the two men," said Browder. "It doesn't make sense. There is no logical reason why a presidential candidate should be praising Russia unless there's information out there that we don't know about."
What we do know, Browder noted, is that Trump has "taken this very strange view that is not a Republican position, it's not an American position."
In Trump, Corn said, Russian intelligence found someone Putin can "bromance."
"I think they saw Trump — who was very, very interested and eager in the 2000s and into the 2010s to do business in Russia — as somebody they could say, 'Hey, he's a big guy in the United States. If he's friendly to us, that could come in handy," Corn mused.
The questions surrounding the Trump campaign's alleged ties to Russia were amplified by a pair of reports — published in Slate (http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/cover_story/2016/10/was_a_server_registered_to_the_trump_organization_communicating_with_russia.html) and the New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/01/us/politics/fbi-russia-election-donald-trump.html?_r=0) — about an FBI probe into possible electronic communications between the Trump Organization and servers connected to a Russian bank. Both reports, though, said the bureau failed to find a direct link between Trump and the Russian government, and according to the Times, an FBI investigation concluded the interaction could have been a coincidence.
"It's one more tantalizing piece that is not conclusive," Corn said, "but is certainly rather odd about an odd subject matter to begin with — Trump and Russia — in what is a very bizarre election."
Ko hoće malo detaljniju diskusiju o ovome iz prethodnog posta, komentari na slešdotu su dosta korisni da bi se videlo koliko sve to u stvari verovatno nema veze ni sa čim:
https://news.slashdot.org/story/16/11/01/019251/computer-scientists-believe-a-trump-server-was-communicating-with-a-russian-bank
Ali s druge strane, videti kako je Guglov Eric Schmidt pre dve godine napravio nacrt Hilarine kampanje u kome bi se koristila Guglova ekspertiza u prikupljanju podataka o ljudima da im se kandidatkinja umili:
Google's Schmidt drew up draft plan for Clinton in 2014 (http://www.itwire.com/government-tech-policy/75531-google-s-schmidt-drew-up-draft-plan-for-clinton-in-2014.html)
QuoteEric Schmidt, the chairman of Google's parent company Alphabet, submitted a detailed draft to a key Clinton aide on 15 April 2014, outlining his ideas for a possible run for the presidency and stressing that "key is the development of a single record for a voter that aggregates all that is known about them".
Though Schmidt did not mention it, this kind of information is the lifeblood of Google's business.
The ideas, in an email (https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/37262) released by the whistleblower website WikiLeaks, were sent to Cheryl Mills, former deputy White House counsel to Bill Clinton. Mills forwarded it to Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta, campaign manager Robby Mook and Barack Obama's 2012 campaign manager David Plouffe.
The email is one of a trove from Podesta's gmail account that was obtained by WikiLeaks. About two weeks prior to this, Podesta wrote to Mook (http://www.itwire.com/government-tech-policy/75512-schmidt-sought-top-outside-post-in-clinton-campaign.html) that he had met Schmidt and that he (Schmidt) was keen to be the "top outside adviser".
In the 15 April 2014 email, Schmidt emphasised that what he was putting forward was a draft, writing, "Here are some comments and observations based on what we saw in the 2012 campaign. If we get started soon, we will be in a very strong position to execute well for 2016." It was titled "Notes for a 2016 Democratic campaign".
He divided his comments into categories such as size, structure and timing; location; the pieces of a campaign; the rules; and what he called the key things.
With regard to size, structure and timing, Schmidt wrote: "Let's assume a total budget of about US$1.5 billion, with more than 5000 paid employees and million(s) of volunteers. The entire start-up ceases operation four days after 8 November 2016."
As to location, he did not like the idea of using Washington DC as a base and was keen on low-paid workers. "The campaign headquarters will have about a thousand people, mostly young and hard-working and enthusiastic. It's important to have a very large hiring pool (such as Chicago or NYC) from which to choose enthusiastic, smart and low-paid permanent employees," he wrote.
"DC is a poor choice as it's full of distractions and interruptions. Moving the location from DC elsewhere guarantees visitors have taken the time to travel and to help."
Under "The pieces of a campaign", Schmidt said: "It's important to have strong field leadership, with autonomy and empowerment. Operations talent needs to build the offices, set up the systems, hire the people, and administer what is about 5000 people."
And, he added; "For organising tools, build a simple way to link people and activities as a workflow and let the field manage the system, all cloud based. Build a simple organising tool with a functioning back-end."
About voters, Schmidt had this to say: "Key is the development of a single record for a voter that aggregates all that is known about them. In 2016 smartphones will be used to identify, meet, and update profiles on the voter. A dynamic volunteer can easily speak with a voter and, with their email or other digital handle, get the voter videos and other answers to areas they care about ('the benefits of ACA to you' etc)."
The Alphabet chairman wrote that "a large group of campaign employees will use digital marketing methods to connect to voters, to offer information, to use social networks to spread good news, and to raise money. Partners like Blue State Digital will do much of the fund raising."
He had plenty of ideas for using the media. "New tools should be developed to measure reach and impact of paid, earned and social media. The impact of press coverage should be measurable in reach and impact, and TV effectiveness measured by attention and other surveys.
"Build tools that measure the rate and spread of stories and rumours, and model how it works and who has the biggest impact. Tools can tell us about the origin of stories and the impact of any venue, person or theme. Connect polling into this in some way. Find a way to do polling online and not on phones."
Schmidt also wanted a score computed for each voter, ranking the probability of them casting the "right vote".
"Analytics can model demographics, social factors and many other attributes of the needed voters," he wrote. "It should be possible to link the voter records in Van (a database) with upcoming databases from companies like Comcast and others for media measurement purposes."
But despite all the complexity, Schmidt wanted costs kept to the bare minimum: "It's important that all the players in the campaign work at cost and there be no special interests in the financing structure. This means that all vendors work at cost and there is a separate auditing function to ensure no one is profiting unfairly from the campaign," he wrote.
And finally, outlining what he said the key things, Schmidt listed the following:
a) early build of an integrated development team and recognition that this is an entire system that has to be managed as such;
b) decisions to exclusively use cloud solutions for scalability, and choice of vendors and any software from 2012 that will be re-used;
c) the role of the smartphone in the hands of a volunteer. The smartphone manages the process, updates the database, informs the citizen, and allows fundraising and recruitment of volunteers (on Android and iPhone); and
d) early and continued focus of qualifying fundraising dollars to build the field, and build all the tools. Outside money will be plentiful and perfect for TV use. A smart media mix tool tells all we need to know about media placement, TV versus other media and digital media.
This is what could happen to the stock market if Donald Trump wins (https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/91db5a1b-dfff-3764-ba28-170ba660b989/this-is-what-could-happen-to.html)
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Wall Street's long-running view that Hillary Clinton (http://www.cnbc.com/hillary-clinton/?__source=yahoo%7Cfinance%7Cinline%7Cstory%7Cstory&par=yahoo&doc=104074120) would easily become the next president has been replaced by a new fear that Donald Trump (http://www.cnbc.com/donald-trump/?__source=yahoo%7Cfinance%7Cinline%7Cstory%7Cstory&par=yahoo&doc=104074120) could win, and it probably won't be a pretty picture for stocks if he does.
Bond yields have moved lower and so have stocks, as the markets have begun to react to the possibility of a Trump victory in the last several days. On Thursday, the S&P 500 (^GSPC (https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/q?s=%5Egspc)) was up slightly, after falling 13 points Wednesday, to close at the key support level of 2,097.
The work of two economics professors may provide a glimpse of how the stock market might react if Donald Trump were elected. They studied the predictions market, including PredictIt.org (https://predictit.org/Browse/Group/67/National) and the reaction in the financial markets to events around the election. One of the economists says their findings (https://www.brookings.edu/research/what-do-financial-markets-think-of-the-2016-election/) point to a sharp immediate sell-off if Trump wins and a slight rally if Clinton wins. The amount of the rally or sell-off depends on the predicted outcome.
"If we were to go in 70/30 [for Clinton], and we think the market is 10 percent higher under Clinton than Trump, if Clinton wins it should be up about 3 percent and if Trump wins, it should go down 7 percent," said Eric Zitzewitz, economics professor at Dartmouth College. He and Justin Wolfers of the University of Michigan studied the market effect of the first debate in a Brookings paper. Clinton's odds in the prediction markets had been closer to 80 percent, and at that level, a Trump victory would have triggered an 8 to 10 percent sell-off, he said.
The market's nervousness picked up after the FBI last Friday revealed a new investigation into Clinton's email server (http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/31/doj-says-it-is-working-with-fbi-to-examine-new-clinton-related-emails.html?__source=yahoo%7Cfinance%7Cinline%7Cstory%7Cstory&par=yahoo&doc=104074120), this time involving her longtime aide Huma Abedin and her husband Anthony Weiner, who is under federal investigation in a different matter (http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/28/anthony-weiner-investigation-prompts-latest-clinton-email-bombshell.html?__source=yahoo%7Cfinance%7Cinline%7Cstory%7Cstory&par=yahoo&doc=104074120).
"There's no question in my mind that the markets have not priced in a Trump win, only in the most cursory way. They are starting to price in the potential for a Trump win. That process started last Friday," said Tony Roth, CIO of Wilmington Trust. "We haven't seen an up day in the markets since then. We haven't seen any calamitous days either."
Strategists agree there would be a sell-off with a Trump win, but then the views diverge on how the market would trade after that.
Ethan Harris, head of global economics at Bank of America Merrill Lynch, said he would expect a sell-off if Trump wins, then an L-shaped move in the equity market, because of the period of policy uncertainty. "From the action in the stock market, the equity market is worried about a Trump victory, about the uncertainty of policy under Trump. Normally the equity market responds positively to a Republican doing well in the election," he said. "In this election, I think the dominant story is about uncertainty after the election, and a status quo election means no shock, everything is the same, no big news and presumably the equity market sails through the election if it's a split government."
Markets had been looking for a win by Clinton but also Republicans (http://www.cnbc.com/republicans/?__source=yahoo%7Cfinance%7Cinline%7Cstory%7Cstory&par=yahoo&doc=104074120) holding the House and possibly Senate. The idea is that that would create gridlock and many of her policies could not be enacted.
"Under a Trump victory, you probably get some kind of reaction in the equity market, and if it's a strong reaction, it could affect the Fed," he said. Harris said he would expect to modestly lower his GDP forecast if Trump wins. "To a large degree, we're going to look at the market's response as a gauge of the underlying uncertainty shock," Harris said.
Bruce Bittles, chief investment strategist at Baird, has a different view and he believes a Trump victory could result in a V-shaped move in the market, as Wall Street reflects later on positive tax changes and the looser regulatory environment Trump supports.
"What I think happens is we get a repeat of what happened after Brexit. The market initially goes down and then goes up," he said. He said with a Clinton win, the market would rally but not as much as it historically has when an incumbent party wins. "It depends now on how a Democratic win is already built into the market. If that's the case, then I would say a Republican win would mean a sharper down, but then a sharper up to follow," Bittles said.
Roth said if the odds of a Clinton victory continue to move lower, so will the stock market. "If Clinton wins, you get a big relief rally. If Trump wins, then you get a big sell-off. I think that from where we are today, until the bottom of that sell-off, you are looking at a good 10 percent easily. I think whether it goes deeper than that depends on the temperament that Trump displays after the election," Roth said. "I think Clinton will have the upper hand from an electoral position, but it's not going to be like a 75/25, it could be 60/40 [chance], and the more it converges, the more the sell-off ... the closer this gets, the more steep the sell-off is going to be."
PredictIt.org put the odds for a Clinton win at 66 percent Thursday, down from a high of 85 percent Oct. 25. The odds had been as low as 60 percent in September.
Zitzewitz said he studied the reaction of markets when a tape was revealed in which Trump made lewd comments about women (http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/07/trumps-shocking-crude-comments-on-women-leave-pence-reeling.html?__source=yahoo%7Cfinance%7Cinline%7Cstory%7Cstory&par=yahoo&doc=104074120), and also the reaction Friday when the FBI news broke. The market moves confirmed the study he did after the first debate of the prediction market and financial markets. He said if the odds shifted in the prediction market to 60 percent for Clinton, a Trump victory could mean a 6 percent sell-off in the S&P futures the night the results are released. He said his study did not go into what would happen after the initial reaction, and it would react to other events like the concession speech and other developments.
Roth said he expects the market to remain choppy and possibly sell off through Election Day, Tuesday. "The Trump chances of winning is not one out of 100. It's probably three out of 10 and likely to move higher ... that could cause a real panic in markets," he said. Roth said markets could remain under pressure if Trump wins, especially if does not surround himself with credible advisors.
Trump could also take action against U.S. trade partners, declaring them in violation of trade agreements, and that would upset markets, especially since there could be retaliatory action, Roth said. He said that could cause a downward spiral in trade (http://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/19/trumps-trade-policies-would-send-us-into-recession-study-says.html?__source=yahoo%7Cfinance%7Cinline%7Cstory%7Cstory&par=yahoo&doc=104074120), which could hurt weaker economies.
"If we have a Clinton outcome, we're pretty constructive on the outlook for the global economy. We think we're in the final chapter of monetary insanity," he said. He said easing by global central banks was necessary but now it's no longer effective and a move away from it would be positive.
trenutno mi najjače udara na ganglije kategorizacija: glasaće za Trumpa ergo najgori su. ako su najgori, bili su i pre Trumpa. takođe, to što Trump privlači takve samo može da se okarakteriše kao strateški pametan potez jer bi glasali za ko zna koga, on računa da tim glasovima pobedi. uostalom, tim glasovima je Republikance naterao da ga prihvate kao njihovog kandidata.
ono što mislim da će se desiti je da će onog Anthony Wienera neko da suicide (česta sudbina onih koji su izneverili Klintonove) uskoro. još ako budu imali lepo oproštajno pismo tipa "ne mogu više da živim sa svojim gresima, ukrao sam fajlove od Ume a da ona nije znala, postavljao sam dick pics on social media, loš sam ovo ono, zbogom svete, Uma i Hillary su zlato."
готово је! лилит је прешла на конспираси дарк сајд!
Прочитах неђе да је неки лик у мурики у аутобусу реко да подржава Трампа и неко му просуо зубе. Лудло.
Иначе, Ћирјаковић је причао како је у Њујорку куповао качкете и шоље мејк мурика грејт аген, и продавац се мрштио хаха
Тај Винер је тотални вин, реално Трамп убио пет мува једним ударцем, ем Клинтонова и даље сере у мејловима, ем је сад окружена манијацима
Quote from: дејан on 04-11-2016, 11:05:49
готово је! лилит је прешла на конспираси дарк сајд!
:lol:
ma ne znaš muke moje s kolegama na poslu a i sa familijom u USA. bog te mazo.
crtica: "nekim ljudima su toliko isprani mozgovi da oni ne vide kakvo je tramp zlo i kako će amerika da propadne ako on bude predsednik".
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
pa kad krenu da pričaju kako je sve nekad bilo divno dok nije došao Tramp i kad im kažeš kako recimo ne uzimaju u obzir banke koje su ojadile narod a niko nije završio u zatvoru, pa kako je količina novca koja je otišla bankama tokom bailouta zapanjujuća a sve su to novci od poreza koji su mogli biti iskorišćeni za puteve, škole, zadržavanje radnih mesta itd. - oni te optuže da si komunista! aaaaaa.
mislim, ja i jesam, nije sporno :lol:, al brate.
a kad im pomeneš faking 16 800 000 000 000 DOLARA ... http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikecollins/2015/07/14/the-big-bank-bailout/#45e883853723 ... oni kažu da hilari lepše priča od trampa i da je tramp seksista.
moguće da puno previđam :mrgreen: al neće li više doći i proći taj 8/9. novembar :lol:
hm, danas mi ceo dan u duhu konspirasija :lol:
ovaj čovek ima impresivnu biografiju glede svog rada blizu vrha američke administracije dok su divovi hodali zemljom:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Pieczenik
i onda, pre tri dana izbacio ovaj video. hm, hm. lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ov5kvWSz5LM
PODRŽAVAM I OBOŽAVAM!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cF2M2_Z_plk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cF2M2_Z_plk)
Nije ni Trampu lako:
Secret Service rushes Donald Trump off stage at rally (https://www.yahoo.com/news/secret-service-rushes-donald-trump-off-stage-at-rally-014038066.html)
RENO, Nev. — Donald Trump was abruptly brought off the stage by Secret Service in the middle of a Saturday night rally when an unidentified man apparently tried to rush the stage.
Multiple witnesses near the front of the stage told reporters that they believed that the man had a gun, but the claim could not be confirmed by Yahoo News. The Secret Service said no weapon was found (https://twitter.com/KatyTurNBC/status/795095524420517888).
Trump had paused his stump speech to call out a protester when several Secret Service agents suddenly rushed to him and grabbed him off the stage. Chaos ensued as the crowd began to hurry away from the stage. Some moved back toward a barricaded area where the press corps was set up and began screaming at them.
"Why don't you cover this!" a man screamed as reporters stood on their chairs with cameras, trying to get a better look. "Liars!"
As rally attendees began to fearfully race for the exits, Trump aides rushed to the candidate's traveling press corps and ordered them to immediately head to the motorcade.
JUST NOW: Donald Trump was just rushed off stage during his Nevada campaign rally:
https://t.co/7fTJ3N3MQN (https://t.co/7fTJ3N3MQN) pic.twitter.com/Hm7CRdFDTU (https://t.co/Hm7CRdFDTU)
— CBS News (@CBSNews) November 6, 2016 (https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/795069927187238912)
Reporters ran through the crowd. Heavily armed police officers with machine guns were seen escorting a man backstage. They declined to comment to reporters about the incident.
Trump's traveling press corps was initially rushed toward the motorcade, amid word from the campaign that the candidate would not return to the stage. But about seven minutes after the incident began, Trump's entrance song — "God Bless the USA" — suddenly boomed throughout the convention hall and reporters hurried back in the room, where the candidate retook the stage.
"No one ever said it would be easy for us," Trump said, thanking the Secret Service. And then he returned to his usual stump speech.
Trump thanks the secret service as he returns to the stage after being rushed off in Nevada
https://t.co/xeNxna6aa6 (https://t.co/xeNxna6aa6) pic.twitter.com/qV7HLVBAo6 (https://t.co/qV7HLVBAo6)
— CBS News (@CBSNews) November 6, 2016 (https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/795071257943404544)
After the rally, Trump released a statement thanking law enforcement officers. "I also want to thank the many thousands of people present for their unwavering and unbelievable support. Nothing will stop us – we will make America great again!" he said.
This was not the first time Secret Service have rushed to protect the Republican nominee at a campaign rally. In March, Trump was surrounded by agents after a man suddenly headed to the stage at an event in Ohio. The man, 22-year-old Thomas Dimassimo, was blocked before he ever reached Trump and was arrested and charged with disorderly conduct. Trump claimed the man was tied to ISIS, but experts dismissed the assertion (https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-claims-man-tried-rush-stage-connected-isis-024506604--election.html?ref=gs).
Mada se ne da.
Trump Bashes Obama for 'Screaming' at Protester (He Wasn't) (https://gma.yahoo.com/trump-bashes-obama-screaming-protester-wasnt-012702326--abc-news-topstories.html#)
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Donald Trump (http://abcnews.go.com/topics/news/donald-trump.htm) tore into President Obama for yelling at a protester during a rally in support of Hillary Clinton (http://abcnews.go.com/topics/news/whitehouse/hillary-clinton.htm)'s candidacy.
Only problem...Obama was defending the protester's right to speak out.
"He was talking to the protester screaming at him," Trump said. "If I spoke the way Obama spoke to that protester, they would say "he became unhinged.'"
President Obama Defends Trump Protester at Clinton Rally (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-obama-defends-trump-protester-clinton-rally/story?id=43313064)
During the event in Fayetteville, NC, Obama was confronted by a protester carrying a Trump placard, sparking an uproar from the crowd.
But Obama chastised the crowd, telling them to "sit down and be quiet for a second." The exchange with the crowd went on for several minutes.
"You've got an older gentleman who is supporting his candidate. He's not doing nothing. You don't have to worry about him. This is what I mean about folks not being focused," Obama said.
"First of all, we live in a country that respects free speech," Obama said. "Second of all, it looks like maybe he might have served in our military and we ought to respect that. Third of all, he was elderly and we got to respect our elders. And fourth of all, don't boo. Vote!"
Trump bashed Obama during his event in Hershey, Pa.
"And see what happened they never moved the camera and he spent so much time screaming at this protester," Trump told his crowd. "And frankly it was a disgrace and he shouldn't be there to start off."
Ima i ovo:
Donald Trump's Child-Rape Accuser Drops Lawsuit After Receiving Threats (https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-child-rape-accuser-drops-lawsuit-receiving-174226675.html)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2016/11/04/no-john-podesta-didnt-drink-bodily-fluids-at-a-secret-satanist-dinner/
U drugim vestima:
Donald Trump is the best thing to happen to global warming (seriously) (https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-best-thing-happen-173631830.html)
Нормално, шта ја кажем, Трамп нас води у комунизам!
Jebte, ovi izbori su tolko sranje, usrali epizodu Z-Nation sa tim,,,,ali su srali po Trampu, ne po Klitorki....
Većina pisaca je protiv Trampa, kao i Holivud. Možda ne toliko za Hilari, koliko protiv Trampa.
https://youtu.be/CBH_QW3Y6rE (https://youtu.be/CBH_QW3Y6rE)
Фредрик Џејмсон двосмислен о Трампу!
http://www.criticatac.ro/lefteast/fredric-jameson-fascism-not-yet-there/
https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5aupnh/breaking_i_believe_i_have_connected_a_convicted/
Quote from: ridiculus on 06-11-2016, 17:43:37
Većina pisaca je protiv Trampa, kao i Holivud. Možda ne toliko za Hilari, koliko protiv Trampa.
Intelektualci su protiv Trampa, ko pametan bi glasao za njega?
Pametan niko, ali neko mudar? Ko zna...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4vHSiotAFA&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Поклоните се!
Aphex Twin, na temu izbora
http://youtu.be/pysu0dICxy0 (http://youtu.be/pysu0dICxy0)
Quote from: mac on 07-11-2016, 16:06:27
Pametan niko, ali neko mudar? Ko zna...
Tek mudar ne bi. Ako misliš suprotno da čujem. ;)
Pa, eno ga Žižek gore, nije bez vraga to što priča.
Вотафак из дис?
http://www.blic.rs/vesti/svet/vrhovni-sud-sad-odbacio-tuzbu-o-trampovom-zastrasivanju/b87nnfd
Све у свему, баш га бибере пред изборе
(https://www.znaksagite.com/diskusije/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fuploads.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F20161108%2F274a3a25995e5d83a54e2dd47665ec3c.jpg&hash=ddea4ac9946484d72ddbfef127d094d7fbd806b2)
Скренута ми је пажња да данас, сем за предсједника, западна обала (9 држава) гласа и за легализацију марихуане.
Трамп и вутра истог дана, можел боље?
A šta ako ti kažem da se u Kaliforniji danas glasa i za zakon o obaveznoj upotrebi kondoma u svakom pornografskom video-materijalu? [emoji38]
Манијаче!
http://xkcd.com/1756/
Tramp će, ako ništa drugo, da se pokaže popularnijim izborom od Hilari (i bilo kog drugog "pravog" kandidata) za igrače Stardokove izborne simulacije, Political Machine 2016 (http://www.politicalmachine.com/metaverse#/gamestats).
To mu je što mu je. :)
Језик прегризо!
Брате, колико су ови избори намјештени кад људи мисле да је Кливленду поклоњена НБА титула, и да Леброн подржава Хилари, јер ће глас Охаја можда бити одлучујући.
Начи ни баскет више није светиња, хип хоп гласа за естаблишмент, Холивуд заборавио великог Клинта...
nismo se valjda predali? :lol: :lol: :lol:
pokušavam da nađem svoje postove iz 2008. kad sam džedžala do zore, čekala rezultate i mog milog obamu da pobedi, al izgleda da su (srećom!!!) nestali u cunamiju.
Ко је Србин и српскога рода, а не дође на поље Трампово, тиштос пасе од пропасти!
Mi Srbi smo stvarno budale....navijamo za tamo neke Amerikance....
da ne citiram svoj avatar......
pise tamo lepo jos i pre izbora a i posle ce biti isti....
Quote from: lilit on 08-11-2016, 21:05:05
nismo se valjda predali? :lol: :lol: :lol:
pokušavam da nađem svoje postove iz 2008. kad sam džedžala do zore, čekala rezultate i mog milog obamu da pobedi, al izgleda da su (srećom!!!) nestali u cunamiju.
Svi imaju pravo na grešku...neki su recimo podržavali Vučića pa se posle vadili...
fala truki!
Џаба ти сад, Трумане, довео си Вучића на власт и стално ћемо да те подсјећамо!
pravice Ameri i Isis Obamu od....nekog materijala odgovarajuce boje....kad im dodje Klitorka....
al' mislim stvarno, mi imamo Vucica, pa sto ne bi i oni ovu,,,,,sta ce im Tramp se pati s' njima, nek si radi co'ek pos'o za sebe....
Klintonka će ići utabanom stazom...neće raditi ništa van toga. Ona je čista marioneta, šta joj kažu to će da radi. Tako da ne očekujem da će da izazove WWIII ili šta već katastrofično. S druge strane, ako Tramp pobedi ko zna šta će biti.
Quote from: Pizzobatto on 08-11-2016, 21:11:46
Ко је Србин и српскога рода, а не дође на поље Трампово, тиштос пасе од пропасти!
Pročit'o si mi misli danas, mor'o sam.
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razmišljao sam ko treba da gleda ulevo a ko udesno, a onda mi je postalo svejedno :)
Чеш чеш
xrofl
Quote from: Pizzobatto on 09-11-2016, 01:45:40
Чеш чеш
Ово одговарао на Труманов пост, тек сад видим феноменалну слику!
Нека знаде душман клети, да ће овдје преломит Трамп!
mamma mia! xrofl
trenutno 245:209. možda ćemo i dobiti mejk amerika grejt agen. :mrgreen:
Bogami, trenutno:
(https://www.znaksagite.com/diskusije/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi63.tinypic.com%2Fambprr.jpg&hash=f6746502bf86057247f52e4b75f5a2e0f59ae55d)
(https://www.znaksagite.com/diskusije/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi82.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj251%2Fsmithflatfender%2FTrump%2520Its%2520Happening_zps69w08ets.gif&hash=6b5244294357ac6ff9b879137d52df6bcdcded18)
Sjebo im je, što bi mangupi rekli, znanje.
I, naravno, koliko god je slatko pomisliti da Hilari gubi, zasluženo, toliko je jasno da sa Trampom nastupa u period zebnje. Mislim, lepo je kako je razobličio mit o tome da ljudi glasaju racionalno - za koji smo mi odavno svesni da je mit - ali ipak, cena bi mogla da bude pogolema :lol:
jedina prava vest je da su republikanci dobili i kongres i senat.
da li je predsednik tramp ili hilari je full nebitno.
Како бре не гласају рационално, оно што је Смајловићка синоћ рекла је мислим довољно.
Хилари најавила забрану лета преко Сирије, значи потенцијално обарање руских авиона и сви укураз.
Трампов савјетник генерал Флин (илитаконешто) критичар политике према Садаму и Гадафију.
Можда Трамп ипак због структуре система не може много да промијени ни споља ни изнутра, ал доста бре иживљавања по свијету.
Зарад екологије и социјалне политике, које Трамп и не може драстично да промијени, не може ни Обамино здравство да уклони, да трпимо Хиларине нуклеарне лудорије, па не иде.
Sve je to nedorečeno i ne znamo ko tu zaista ima kakvu politiku a šta je rekao u toku kampanje da bi privejlovao. Ovo što Lilita kaže je zapravo mnogo važnije, GOP je preuzeo oba doma parlamenta što je vrlo značajan gubitak za Demokrate, čak i da Hilari nekako sad izvuče na mišiće pobedu, čekao bi je popriličan aphil betl za bilo kakvu radikalnu promenu politike...
Kao i većina kandidata širom sveta na izborima, mnogo toga što je rekao, neće sprovesti.
Što se tiče zebnje, mnogo veća bi bila sa Hilari, barem za ostatak sveta...s obzirom na situaciju u Siriji, Ukrajini, s migrantima, zaista svetu u ovom trenutku ni najmanje ne treba predsednik SAD ,,jastreb'' poput Klintonove. Tramp će ipak čini mi se, više biti okrenut domaćem terenu...
Не знам шта је недоречено. Све што је Обама радио било је против Русије, од Либије и Сирије и Украјине, до измишљене фрке у Мосулу пред изборе.
Мадлен Олбрајт, која би Русију раскомадала, јој је савјетник. Нема шта да се ту дода, ако има неког ко је био рад да удари свом снагом по нуклеарној сили, тај је био у будућој Хилариној администрацији.
Срамотно шта је Обама дозволио да у његово име чине. Пољско—чешки мигранти, који можда разумљиво не подносе Русе, могли би да се више не баве америчком спољном политиком.
Ahahahaha, Tramp stvarno pobedio!!!!!!
lepa melanija :)
https://youtu.be/cL_wh-d1pP4
U jeboteeeeee......
sad samo da ga ne ucmekaju ko JFKeja!
Dojaja!
Sad će odma američki bregzit da krene :lol:
Biće da je Amerika najzad dobila svog Jeljcina.
I to na Mitroldan!
Де бре Јељцина, не пије Доналд, само фаст фуд и кокаин!
xrofl Jeljcin xrofl
Stiven Kolber sumira (poslednji nastup pre rezultata):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXhFGO8R7aU
Quote from: Ugly MF on 09-11-2016, 10:03:47
U jeboteeeeee......
sad samo da ga ne ucmekaju ko JFKeja!
Dojaja!
Ovo sam i ja pomislio. Tramp je čovek koji nije po ukusu Vladara iz senke, ali ako mu zaprete ( a ne sumnjam da hoće ) videćemo da li će da vodi nezavisnu politiku. On mi lično deluje kao vrlo nepoštena osoba kojoj se ništa ne može verovati. Ne verujem da ima Kenedijev karakter ni blizu. To što je ekscentrični klovn ne znači da će raditi u interesu naroda. Mislim da će vreme pokazati da je Tramp prevara i to ne zato što je nečiji igrač već zato što nema karaktera.
AMERIKA, xjump AMERIKA, xjump BOGATA I PONOSNA, xjump AMERIKA , xjump AMERIKA , xjump GOMILA KLOVNOVA xjump
Quote from: Truman on 09-11-2016, 11:32:01
Quote from: Ugly MF on 09-11-2016, 10:03:47
U jeboteeeeee......
sad samo da ga ne ucmekaju ko JFKeja!
Dojaja!
Ma pretvorice se u patetiku ko Vucic....e, kad su Ameri izgutali onoliko gafova onog W.Busha tek ce da procvetaju yutjub klipovi ...
makar ce se zaebavamo....
Ovo sam i ja pomislio. Tramp je čovek koji nije po ukusu Vladara iz senke, ali ako mu zaprete ( a ne sumnjam da hoće ) videćemo da li će da vodi nezavisnu politiku. On mi lično deluje kao vrlo nepoštena osoba kojoj se ništa ne može verovati. Ne verujem da ima Kenedijev karakter ni blizu. To što je ekscentrični klovn ne znači da će raditi u interesu naroda. Mislim da će vreme pokazati da je Tramp prevara i to ne zato što je nečiji igrač već zato što nema karaktera.
Дај бре Трумане, јеси ти читав... какав Кенедијев карактер, па Кенеди је предсједник који је био најближи почетку нуклеарног рата, докле више с имиџом добрице који то није био...
Kao što je Jeljcin bio klovn, tako će i Tramp. Kad napući usta, kad ga saviju telohranitelji pa daj ubegaj... Biće tu smejurije.
Evo već najvio autoputeve, tunele... Samo još da sedne za šleper i protera jedan. Ko naš Vule.
Trampova pobeda je kao da je kod nas recimo pobedio onomad Bogoljub SALATA Karic.
Ludilo! Ali, ludilo mozga, ja sam zaista mislila da nema sanse protiv Hilari. Neka se spremi Dzordz KLuni.
Truki izem ti te tvoje vladare iz senke ako ne mogu da proguraju svog kandidata za pišljivog predsednika USA.
Quote from: Agota on 09-11-2016, 12:11:56
Trampova pobeda je kao da je kod nas recimo pobedio onomad Bogoljub SALATA Karic.
Ludilo! Ali, ludilo mozga, ja sam zaista mislila da nema sanse protiv Hilari. Neka se spremi Dzordz KLuni.
plas 1
imali su Regana, sto ne Kluni? :lol:
Quote from: Agota on 09-11-2016, 12:11:56
Trampova pobeda je kao da je kod nas recimo pobedio onomad Bogoljub SALATA Karic.
Ludilo! Ali, ludilo mozga, ja sam zaista mislila da nema sanse protiv Hilari. Neka se spremi Dzordz KLuni.
U Srbiji Toma u Americi Tramp...otprilike jasan pokazatelj inteligencije obeju nacija.
A što se tiče Džordža Klunija on možda ni ne bi bio loš predsednik. Nije glup i ne deluje mi psihopatski.
Petronije, nikad ne podcenjuj volju naroda! Biće jako zanimljivo narednih godina videti kako će se Tramp odnositi prema onima koji zaista vladaju svetom.
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphics/2016-presidential-campaign-fundraising/
Interesantna finansijska analiza blumberga, cash-flowa, načina i dinamike trošenja u kampanji. Za duplo manje para je oduvao Hilariju. I interesantno da je ulagao najviše u januaru i oktobru. (videti burn rate)
Od ovog može da se napravi odlična marketinška analiza, pogledajte ad spending i tv slotove, skrolujte dole da vidite spending po kanalu, Trump fino uložio u social i web dizajn.
a evo i teritorijalne analize:
http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/president
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2016/nov/08/us-election-2016-results-live-clinton-trump?view=map&type=presidential
Naravno, ciljao je središnji deo, a svesno batalio zapadnu obalu i Njujork. Masterpis.
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Hehe, bas su me obradovale vesti jutros :D
https://youtu.be/Vus3vRmACNQ
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Боговски
Quote from: Truman on 09-11-2016, 12:57:21
Petronije, nikad ne podcenjuj volju naroda! Biće jako zanimljivo narednih godina videti kako će se Tramp odnositi prema onima koji zaista vladaju svetom.
da je bilo skroz do naroda, verovatno bi Sanders bio demokracki kandidat, i verovatno bi postao precednik.
Čujem i Edi Rama je u žalosti...
Quote from: tomat on 09-11-2016, 15:50:40
Quote from: Truman on 09-11-2016, 12:57:21
Petronije, nikad ne podcenjuj volju naroda! Biće jako zanimljivo narednih godina videti kako će se Tramp odnositi prema onima koji zaista vladaju svetom.
da je bilo skroz do naroda, verovatno bi Sanders bio demokracki kandidat, i verovatno bi postao precednik.
Da, to. Nisam se mnogo mešao oko ovoga, jer su oba izbora loša, iako sam malko iznenadjen Trampovom pobedom. I demokrate i republikanci su imali bolje (=sposobnije) kandidate.
Марихуана прошла, кондоми одбачени у Калифорнији
Pade mi na pamet kako je Amerika dobila prvu damu starletu. Možda imam predrasude, ali Melania deluje kao tipična praznoglava manekenka.
Baš se uklapa u profil - klovn i manekenka.
Quote from: Truman on 09-11-2016, 16:42:42
Baš se uklapa u profil - klovn i manekenka.
Heh, sada ovaj moj nadimak dobija novi smisao! :)
Au, sta se radi po internetima...kraj sveta, reko bi covek!!!!! :shock:
Problem je što je Tramp nepoznata, a u svetu gde ljudi očekuju sigurnost to je najveći problem. Nije valjda da neko očekuje da će on da ispuni pola od obećanog? Ali, onda, šta će on da čini tačno?
Jedna pretpostavka je da će da "selebritiše", i pusti potpredsednika da rukovodi.
Dobro, ali istovremeno nije bas dosao ni Armagedon, zar su ljudi zaista ubedjeni da je Tramp toliko lud i iracionalan da se dici pola sveta u vazduh, prvom prilikom? WTF je li nekima mozak toliko ispran? Meni Tramp ne deluje kao ludak, diletant, mozda, ali bas kao psihopata iz superherojskih filmova, svakako ne.
Pa to i kažem. Nije zaista lud, ali je nepredvidljiv, zato što je nepoznata, pošto je većina stvari koje je rekao verovatno prazna priča.
Osim toga, mislim da nije baš upućen u sve začkoljice svoje nove funkcije. Kao što neko reče, američki sistem je napravljen tako da ga nije lako i jednostavno izmeniti. A postoji i raskol unutar republikanaca, pa je moguće da neće uvek imati podršku senata.
Ni meni ne deluje da će zbog njega doći smak sveta samo mi je to pokazatelj koliko se kriterijumi srozavaju i pored toga što tehnika i nauka napreduju...a naivan bi rekao da bi trebalo da bude obrnuto. Da sam Amer propao bih u zemlju od stida.
ridiculus, tramp je nepredvidljiv na negativan način. Ne misliš valjda da će da doprinese razvoju čovečanstva i mira u svetu?
"Nepredvidljivost" koja je pozitivna ili negativna nije prava nepredvidljivost.
Ridiculus, pa, ne vidim ja ni tu nepredvidljivost. Gledala sam onaj govor sto je lilit postavila, cak se i na malom uzorku vidi da iza njega stoji masina lobista, senatora, drugih politicara, postoji sistem koji funkcionise, masivna birokratija, itd. Bas kao sto Obama nije uradio bogznasta za svoga vakta, a bio je second coming mnogima, ne verujem da ce doci do sustinskih promena u funkcionisanju sistema.
Ljudi su, sudeci po internetu, u panici, sve do 'Trump will kill us all' i sl. Odakle im to? 'On je rekao da ce bombardovati druge zemlje'...err da, a neko drugi je to i (u)radio ;) a to se ne pominje. I tako, propaganda. Svet nece prestati da se okrece. a Tramp nije predsednik sveta, sta god neko mislio.
Trumane, mislim da su ljudi prosto resili da naprave zaokret, da im je dosta korumpiranih politicara i sl. Pazi, meni je isto tesko da objasnim poziciju simpatisanja Trampa recimo njegovim sunarodnicima, jer mizoginija, jer rasizam, ovo ono...verovatno je nekome nepojmljivo da je Tramp po mom misljenju manje zlo. Mi i Ameri imamo sustinski razlicite poglede na njihove izbore, pa bilo oni republikanci ili demokrate...mene prakticno bas briga, no da se o mojoj sudbini radi, verovatno bih birala pazljivije...neku trecu stranku :)
Mene ovo zabavlja, zabavlja me i ta svetska panika :evil:
Quote from: Truman on 09-11-2016, 17:11:56
Ni meni ne deluje da će zbog njega doći smak sveta samo mi je to pokazatelj koliko se kriterijumi srozavaju i pored toga što tehnika i nauka napreduju...a naivan bi rekao da bi trebalo da bude obrnuto. Da sam Amer propao bih u zemlju od stida.
ridiculus, tramp je nepredvidljiv na negativan način. Ne misliš valjda da će da doprinese razvoju čovečanstva i mira u svetu?
Da sam Amer, ja bih propao u zemlju od stida da glasam za Hilari.
Da li misliš da bi ona doprinela miru i razvoju u svetu?
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@Dybuk
Iza Trampa je infrastruktura, kažeš? Pa, jes', ali i unutar republikanaca postoji nesklad. Druga stvar, većina onih koji su glasali za Trampa nisu glasali zbog te infrastrukture nego protiv nje, i to bi mogao da postane problem u budućnosti.
Tramp je nepredvidljiv jer ne znaš koliko stvarno veruje u sve što priča, koliko je to marketinški potez, a koliko prazna hvala.
Informer je već platio bilborde po gradu gde piše "Čestitke" ali i, naravno, "Trampe, Srbine" :lol:
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Quote from: ridiculusTramp je nepredvidljiv jer ne znaš koliko stvarno veruje u sve što priča, koliko je to marketinški potez, a koliko prazna hvala.
ovo ga bar cini politicarem, ako ne predvidljivim :lol: sta je najgore sto moze da se desi? stats quo? jos jedan rat? pfff :lol:
Ускоро Трамп и Путин у лов на међеде или тигрове, потоци вотке и да загрљени пишају по сибирском снијегу. Милина.
@Dybuk
Najgore što može da se desi je da se meni neš... Ne, ne, ne! Zaboravi da sam išta napisao. To bi bilo sebično! [emoji38]
Ali, ozbiljno, hoću da kažem da se zapadni svet plaši nepredvidljivosti, nejasnoća, nedorečenosti...i popunjava ih svojim strahovima. Tako da mi je bar ta reakcija na Trampovu pobedu očigledna. Ovde mislim na intelektualce, ne na čitaoce Informera. Mada i tu ima odstupanja, ali generalno vidim da razočarenje hvata maha, ako već ne panika.
Jasno je meni čega se oni plaše, ali ja sam se plašio Hilari.
Možda će i on njenim stopama, možda i neće, ali barem postoji nada da neće, ili neće u velikoj meri. Osim što je svašta lupetao, još ništa konkretno nije uradio, dok je Hilari već bila deo administracije i bogami toj administraciji su ruke do ramena u krvi.
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Ео Трумане, иако сам ти на игнору, ово отвара очи
http://standard.rs/svet/36167-трамп-добро-за-русију,-добро-за-србију
Нећу више, само још ово хаха
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62ESvDpCpBY
nadam se samo da će pući po njihovoj kičmi, da neće taj izbor naštetiti evropi, nego da se za promenu malo o svom jadu zabave.
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0:32 :mrgreen:
a tek dizanje ruku na stepenicama 2k/now... :mrgreen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-J679NT-ma8
Kakav gospodin:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr2USTE3L98
Quote from: lilit on 08-11-2016, 19:41:32
http://xkcd.com/1756/
Make xkcd great again!
http://www.informer.rs/sport/-zvezda/101902/DJENKA-SRBINE-Carls-Dzenkins-otkrio-zbog-koga-glasao-Trampa
http://youtu.be/YKeYbEOSqYc
Malo se protestvuje danas (ima i videa) (http://www.b92.net/info/vesti/index.php?yyyy=2016&mm=11&dd=10&nav_category=78&nav_id=1197762)
Чујем полупаше стакла на аутима с трамп стикерима :)
Izduvaće se ti protesti. Sad razmišljam o uzrocima svog jeda zbog izbora Trampa. U suštini, Tramp sa svojom ličnošću nije dostojan da bude predsednik najmoćnije zemlje sveta, ali gledano racionalno - što bi mene bilo briga zbog toga kad nisam njihov državljanin. Dybuk je u pravu kad kaže da se na spoljnom planu neće dešavati ništa gore nego što se dešavalo ranije, tako da pritiskam kočnicu i javno sam sebi obećavam da ubuduće neću da ga kritikujem osim ako bude pravio rusvaj po svetu.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_PoyONe-CQ
Дошли смо до тренутка кад ми несагиташи шаљу коментаре сагиташа, као ''вид овог што је паметан!''
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Bulzaj!
Quote from: Palmer Eldrič on 10-11-2016, 15:07:01
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_PoyONe-CQ
Чекам шоље и бабушке!
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Onaj osećaj kad po prvi put u istoriji možeš da gledaš golišave slike prve dame SAD-a. Sledeća first lady bi mogla da bude, recimo, striptizeta.
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Имајући у виду да је Труман обожавао Вучића на почетку мандата, имам осјећај да ће брзо да пређе на тамну страну.
To je njen jedini greh iz mladosti!
Sta je tu cudno, zivimo u takvom vremenu da je prva dama na duplerici potpuno logican sledeci korak. I ja nemam nista protiv toga, ta nisu bogovi ili monarsi pa da im se ne vide ni kolena. Skroz ok, a i prelepa zena.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxkDrmcQqxI
Quote from: Dybuk on 10-11-2016, 17:39:33
I ja nemam nista protiv toga, ta nisu bogovi ili monarsi pa da im se ne vide ni kolena.
Grčki bogovi su se često slikali goli. :)
Dobro grcki, what about americki, ha, ha?
;)
Пааа, зар није Џиленхолово дупе боговско? Бар за неке!
Quote from: Dybuk on 10-11-2016, 17:39:33
To je njen jedini greh iz mladosti!
Sta je tu cudno, zivimo u takvom vremenu da je prva dama na duplerici potpuno logican sledeci korak. I ja nemam nista protiv toga, ta nisu bogovi ili monarsi pa da im se ne vide ni kolena. Skroz ok, a i prelepa zena.
Meni nije čak ni prelepa...ne dopada mi se njen osmeh niti crte lica.
A nije čudno već govori o srozavanju kulture.
У тој култури никад голих жена није било, сликала се само мртва природа.
Иначе, надам се да ће Трампова вишедеценијска посвећеност словенским љепотицама бити корисна за србство.
Bogami, Melanija je baš lepa žena.
Nedavno pročitah da se Tramp zalaže i za kontrolu interneta, ubistvo Snoudena...dakle sve ono što je u interesu Velikog Brata. E sad bih baš voleo da znam da li to podržava i cenjeni Žižek.
Edward Snowden (@Snowden)
2016: a choice between Donald Trump and Goldman Sachs
http://twitter.com/Snowden/status/703733273504018432?s=17
Mark Harris @MarkHarrisNYC Feb 27
By the way it is AMAZING, based on my responses, how many idiots think that that @Snowden tweet means he's for Trump.
dok je tramp trenutno at capitol, mi možemo da se opsetimo ovog divnog videa:
http://youtu.be/k8TwRmX6zs4
Quote from: Truman on 10-11-2016, 22:00:16
Mark Harris @MarkHarrisNYC Feb 27
By the way it is AMAZING, based on my responses, how many idiots think that that @Snowden tweet means he's for Trump.
Далеко од тога да је подршка, мислим да је Асанж реко колера или гонореја... али важније је рећи врло важну ствар: дјела, не ријечи.
У преводу: Викиликс није скењо Трампа.
Quote from: lilit on 10-11-2016, 22:13:05
dok je tramp trenutno at capitol, mi možemo da se opsetimo ovog divnog videa:
http://youtu.be/k8TwRmX6zs4
Jel' ga ovo Obama zajebavo pre kandidature?
Quote from: Pizzobatto on 10-11-2016, 22:41:38
Quote from: Truman on 10-11-2016, 22:00:16
Mark Harris @MarkHarrisNYC Feb 27
By the way it is AMAZING, based on my responses, how many idiots think that that @Snowden tweet means he's for Trump.
Далеко од тога да је подршка, мислим да је Асанж реко колера или гонореја... али важније је рећи врло важну ствар: дјела, не ријечи.
У преводу: Викиликс није скењо Трампа.
Trampa? Sam nešto propustio? Asanž je činio sve da skenja Hilari.
pa da, to i rekoh za Snoudena i Asanža. Nisu nikad podržali Trampa, ali su sve uradili da bude izabran
Ugly, bilo je teorija da je zbog Obamine zaebancije Tramp i odlučio da se kandiduje. Kao, vidjećete vi kad ja... Baš se pitam kako je danas bilo u Bijeloj kući hahaha
Za inat, a? :)
Trampe, Srbine!
Proročanstvo Mitra Tarabića ponovo je glavna tema domaćih medija, nakon što se neko dosetio da u jednom njegovom delu, između ostalog, stoji sledeća rečenica:
- Poslje ovog rata na prijestolje svijeta doći će jedan plemenit i dobrodušan riđi čoek. Blago onome koji to doživi, jerbo će taj riđokosi svijem ljudima donijeti sreću. On će biti duga vijeka i vladaće sve do smrti svoje od Boga date...
http://www.kurir.rs/vesti/drustvo/prorocanstvo-tarabica-o-kome-bruji-region-na-celo-sveta-dolazi-ridi-covek-i-onda-ce-clanak-2534073
Rasel Brand ima da kaže koju
https://youtu.be/w3Ou5uFFn8Q
Sad nešto razmišljam o tome kako je Tramp došao da bogatstva ( gazeći preko mrtvih i muljajući ) i zaključujem da bi se mogla povući pararela s Miškovićem. Zamislite da je Miško predsednik Srbije, a da ga je narod izglasao jer veruje da će biti na strani siromašnih.
Pa narod je izglasao i Vučića, što nebi i nekog tamo Miškovića.
Pa Vučić nije tajkun. Ili barem nije bio pre dolaska na vlast.
Трамп је дошао до богатства тако што му је "отац дао малу позајмицу од милион долара да започне посао". Тако је сам рекао :)
А он је довољно саможив да то може бити добро, у смислу да хоће да га људи обожавају.
То значи да потенцијално може бити најбољи предсједник свих времена!
Tramp je došao do bogatstva uništavanjem drugih firmi. Npr. 5-6 puta je proglasio stečaj da bi izbegao da plaća poveriocima tj. drugim firmama koje su propale zbog njega. Zatim je muljao s porezom, osnovao lažni univerzitet. Čovek je prevarant u sistemu poludivljeg kapitalizma. I onda stočari, seljaci i poštena inteligencija glasaju za njega misleći da će da radi u njihovom interesu.
Не контам, ти да имаш фирму у минусу не би прогласио стечај?
Иначе, Вучић се на сва уста хвали да му је ђед био тајкун у Бугојну.
(https://www.znaksagite.com/diskusije/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fuploads.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F20161111%2F4b02cfcbc554a89fe1bf41b0d71be23f.jpg&hash=c0114074f69b53d7ad5a77bc4d208c93e544712e)
Quote from: Truman on 11-11-2016, 18:35:47
Tramp je došao do bogatstva uništavanjem drugih firmi. Npr. 5-6 puta je proglasio stečaj da bi izbegao da plaća poveriocima tj. drugim firmama koje su propale zbog njega. Zatim je muljao s porezom, osnovao lažni univerzitet. Čovek je prevarant u sistemu poludivljeg kapitalizma. I onda stočari, seljaci i poštena inteligencija glasaju za njega misleći da će da radi u njihovom interesu.
Sa druge strane imamo Hilari koja provereno radi u interesu visokog kapitala, tako da kod Trampa postoji bar nada da će uraditi nešto za sirotinju.
sve je to grebanje po povrsini. kakav trump, svijet konacno opet treba jednog postenog hitlera. :mrgreen:
Quote from: tomat on 11-11-2016, 19:20:22
Quote from: Truman on 11-11-2016, 18:35:47
Tramp je došao do bogatstva uništavanjem drugih firmi. Npr. 5-6 puta je proglasio stečaj da bi izbegao da plaća poveriocima tj. drugim firmama koje su propale zbog njega. Zatim je muljao s porezom, osnovao lažni univerzitet. Čovek je prevarant u sistemu poludivljeg kapitalizma. I onda stočari, seljaci i poštena inteligencija glasaju za njega misleći da će da radi u njihovom interesu.
Sa druge strane imamo Hilari koja provereno radi u interesu visokog kapitala, tako da kod Trampa postoji bar nada da će uraditi nešto za sirotinju.
Za mene su njih dvoje dve strane istog novčića - ona je korumpirana, a on korumpira! Pasiv i aktiv.
Malo sam gvirnuo u batine prethodne poruke iako se kosi s mojim principom, ali sam želeo da kao dipl ecc narodu objasnim srž trampovog biznismenovanja. To što je bio u minusu je posledica neodgovornog poslovanja i izvlačenja kapitala na svoje račune. Dakle, isto kao i srpski tajkuni! Takođe, Tramp već decenijama prodaje svoj brend, a ne proizvod. Tipa neki preduzetnik hoće da mu na zgradi piše Trump Tower, napravi zgradu a Trampu plati da mu ovaj "pozajmi" cenjeno prezime. Sve u svemu, ništa spec. Daleko je on od uzora.
Не капирам зашто би ико овдје требало да брине о Трамповом бизнису.
Јел нама у џеп иде?
Јел нашим женама забрањује абортус?
Јел наше црнце дира?
Не капирам зашто се уопште бавите унутрашњим америчким стварима. Дакле, Хилари хтјела да прогласи забрану лета изнад Сирије, то хоће и НАТО, то значи нова обарања руских авиона или јачање Исиса, све у свему, кучка хтјела бре да сатре овај дио свијета.
Савјетница јој Олбрајт триста пута инсинуирала, једном чак и у Сарајеву, да човјечанство треба да подијели руске ресурсе. Путин заузврат склонио ограничења у коришћењу уранијума.
Не знам шта ће Трамп да ради, да ли ће ишта обећано да испуни, ал ако неко треба планету нуклеарно да сатре нека буде вала Доналд.
Његова обећања иду у потпуно другом смјеру, што би требало да буде неки разлог за оптимизам.
Ja isto ne razumem ta naricanja...pa ako je neko novi Hitler, to je nesumnjivo Hilari...njoj su već uveliko krvave ruke, bila je deo administracije koja se upetljala u nekoliko ratova, i otvoreno je nagoveštavala nove konfrontacije, posebno sa Rusima...i sad se niko ne boji nje, nego kao Trampa...ma dajte...
Ja mislim da tu ima dosta snobizma, i ono ,,sad je kul biti protiv Trampa, jer je on protiv žena, gejeva, imigranata''...a što bi Hilari pola planete uvukla u ratove i krenula na Ruse, to nije problem, problem je šta je Tramp izjavio o nečemu.
Hilari, Tramp, Žika Obretković, potpuno je svejedno. USA je zemlja kojom vlada jedna klasa-kasta, i to preko Kongresa i Senata, a njima upravljaju lobiji, vojni i naftni. Samim tim predsednik je samo jedna lutka koja privlači pažnju, sa ograničenom moći, jer sve što učini prolazi verifiokaciju.
Zato svaka politika USA je kao velikii brod-ima svoj kurs i teško skreće sa njega.
Quote from: ALEKSIJE D. on 12-11-2016, 11:14:15
njima upravljaju lobiji, vojni i naftni.
Мајк Пенс је у српском кокусу
Jebemu, vec koliko dana haos po Amerikama, poisani i ucveljeni liberali vriste i traze vanrsdno stanje,,,,
a Obama- nista!
Jebote koliko su se pokazali sad, brateeeeee, koliko su svi picke nad pickicama, neverovatno!
Ko je pička nad pičkicama i po čemu to? Tramp je legalno izabran za predsednika svidelo se to meni ili ne. Da sam Amer bilo bi mi besmisleno na protestujem. K'o što nisam kad smo birali Tomu Diplomu.
U stvari, ono što se često prećutkuje (ili zaboravlja) je da je Klintonova dobila više glasova. Izgubila je samo zahvaljujući formi samih izbora, tj. organizaciji kolegijuma. Ništa to sad ne menja, ali eto. Sigurno će u budućnosti neko razmišljati o tome.
Quote from: Truman on 12-11-2016, 18:23:22
Ko je pička nad pičkicama i po čemu to? Tramp je legalno izabran za predsednika svidelo se to meni ili ne. Da sam Amer bilo bi mi besmisleno na protestujem. K'o što nisam kad smo birali Tomu Diplomu.
Pa pogledaj ucveljene liberale po Ameriki sto placu i kukaju zbog Trampove pobede i kakve demonstracije prave!
I to nisu picke? nad pickama!?
Nemoj mi reci da si za Klintonove?!?
I dalje ne razumem zašto ih to čini pičkama? Jesu li pičke Francuzi kad su svojevremeno protestvovali protiv predsedničkog kandidata Lepena? Je l nemaju pravo? Ili da puste desničare da rade šta hoće. A da, iz vizure desničara oni su prave muškarčine a levičari su pičkice.
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МУДРАЦИ ОДЛАЗЕЋЕГ СВЕТА
ЖЕЉКО ЦВИЈАНОВИЋ
Хиларин пораз показао је у Европи и Србији изненађујуће дубоке корене ,,клинтонизма", погледа на свет који је хармонизовао либерализам са нацизмом
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Хајде да начас замислимо да су на изборима у Трећем Рајху 1938. године немачке социјалдемократе Ота Велса, тад већ увелико забрањене, победиле Хитлера. Да се та победа неким случајем догодила, свет би остао без најсмртоноснијег искуства у својој историји и никад нико не би сазнао да би она спасила животе 55 милиона Европљана. Али Хитлер је био на врхунцу, социјалдемократе разбијене а Велс у емиграцији, и само захваљујући томе што се та победа није догодила, можемо прецизно да измеримо њену тежину, све оно што је свет њеним недогађањем изгубио.
Док мудраци одлазећег света, још у својим либералним матрицама, јалово разглабају о томе хоће ли Доналд Трамп моћи да промени Америку и свет, нови сензибилитет осећа да је његова победа већ остварила главни циљ. Самим тим што се, за разлику од Велсове, догодила, срећом, никад нећемо сазнати колико је, захваљујући њој, европских, америчких, руских и балканских глава остало на раменима. И, заиста, можда су мудраци старог света у праву, можда Трамп неће умети да промени планету; сасвим је довољно то што је успео да је спаси.
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Одавно је речено да је Америка прошлог уторка бирала између рата и мира. Једнако давно виђено је да је тај рат, који се вероватно неће догодити, требало да се одигра на простору између Нормандије и Москве и да је Европа с дебелим разлогом стрепела после паљења Сирије и Украјине.
Како је онда, дођавола, могуће да европским политичким елитама Трампова победа није донела олакшање? Како је могуће да се са поразом од Трампа, макар само јавно, пре помирила Хилари Клинтон, позивајући Америку да се уједини иза новог председника, него француске и немачке елите? Како објаснити сем антуруским амоком да за Клинтоновом црнину данас носе лидери прибалтичких државица, за које у том рату што га је Трамп спречио, без обзира на то која би страна превагнула, није било другог решења него да буду збрисане.
Кад су обелодањене честитке Трампу из Париза и Берлина, које су обиловале лекцијама и ћушкама какве никад у историји из те две престонице нису подељене америчком председнику, одједном је постало јасно колико су танке приче о томе како је ЕУ санкције Русији увела тешка срца и под притиском САД. Постало је јасно да је ,,клинтонизам" – поглед на свет који је успео да хармонизује либерализам са нацизмом – у Европи пустио дубље корене него што је то ико пре Хилариног пораза могао да претпостави. Док клинтоновске елите у Америци, попут утицајног Фарида Закарије, наричу над ,,рађањем ере нелибералне демократије", њихови парњаци у Европи о Трампу све више говоре као о нечем чему би се свакако ваљало супротставити.
Наравно, то има своје прагматичне разлоге. Иако је и пре Трамповог тријумфа стајао лоше, после уторка Оланд заиста нема ниједан разуман разлог да се уопште кандидује за други мандат. Шансе Меркелове да после Трампа остане на власти после избора, у најбољем случају, сведене су на понављање велике коалиције, у којој би овај пут била млађи партнер, а не примијер.
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Прагматизам борбе за власт је у политици разумљив, али шта је његова цена? Јер никад ниједна америчка политика као клинтоновска није до те мере била антиевропска, ниједна није толико понизила Стари континент, рушећи му евро, преплављајући га милионима имигранта и коначно гурајући га на саму ивицу рата. Да ли је могуће да су пред Америком Клинтонових понизне европске политичке елите, водећи своју реалполитику према Вашингтону као једину могућу, изненада поверовале да је та политика најбоља могућа?
Ако томе већ прибагавају Меркелова и Оланд, апелијем за бар мало сажаљења за оних пар стотина наших несрећника из Краун Плазе, које је Кајл Скот окупио да прате америчке изборе. Наравно, у тој друштвеној игри ,,гласали" су за Хилари, а кладим се да су се многи и потписали на свом гласачком листићу, па Скот, ако их се сети, сети? У реду, ево, нећу о 1999, али како је могуће да је толика већина припадника српске елите поверовала да се срећа њихове земље крије у Хилари Клинтон, чији несуђени државни секретар је припремао Србију за њен повратак, говорећи о Балкану као америчком ,,недовршеном послу" из 90-тих? Да ли је ико нормалан могао да објасни да би Хиларина политика заоштравања са Русијом могла бити по нечем добра за Србију? Откуд су толики новински уредници клицали будућој Хилариној победи као најбољем решењу за Србију? Шта је натерало оног убогог професора економије који је на РТС говорио о Хилариној победи као готовој ствари, да би само дан касније пропустио прилику да прогласи лични мораторијум на глупе изјаве, па је на другој телевизији млатио о томе како Трампова победа не значи ништа и да се никаква промена неће догодити? Шта је то, на крају, толико опако у примерцима српске олош-елите да данима не престају да убеђују мучене Србе, којима је Трампова победа дала осећај олакшања, да је тај осећај лажан.
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Немогуће је отети се закључку да су клинтоновске елите широко премрежиле и Европу и Србију. Наравно, оне, бар код нас, полазе од тачне претпоставке да Србија и Балкан неће бити у фокусу Доналда Трампа, заборављајући да подсете да би они свакако били у фокусу Клинтонових, као да нам није познато на шта испадне кад се они фокусирају на нас. Оне одбијају да признају да је цела интензивна дестабилизација централног Балкана, која је започела маја прошле године упадом албанских терориста у Куманово, била у служби припреме региона за Хиларин долазак на власт.
Истовремено, ако буде успешан, Трамп ће опустити односе са Русијом, од чега ће српска корист бити немерљива. Буде ли неуспешан, Трамп ће се исцрпљивати у тучи са још живим клинтоновским елитама и линију свог главног фрнта држаће у самој Америци, због чега ће, по логици ствари, и њега и Америке бити мање на Балкану.
Мало ли је то? Мало ли је то што нам се после озбиљних претњи смешка мир? Што ће НАТО снови Мила Ђукановића Трамповим тријумфом остати снови? Мало је што Албанци и Хрвати само што нису прогласили дан жалости, него би требало и Срби да падну у короту? Није довољно то што српски преговори о уласку у ЕУ са Трампом отклањају свој главни фатални разлог – да ти прескупи и политички штетни преговори спречавају Србију да се врати у позицију државе парије, коју може да угрози ко и како хоће?
Речју, нема никаквог смисла да нагађамо о томе уме ли Трамп да покаже Србију на карти. И ако уме и ако не уме, његова победа доводи Србију у позицију да се, чувајући мир, непосредно бори за националне и државне интересе. И то брине наше либералне корифеје, уверене да слобода појединца (себе) никако не завршава збиром слободе народа.
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Није нормално што је српска власт, укупно гледано, показала више сензибилитета са Трампову победу него представници пратећих елита. То само говори да су петооктобарске елите формиране и храњене на српском националном и државном поразу и да њихов ,,клинтонизам" није ништа друго до настојање да се држава и народ уведу у коначан слом, јер само такав пораз може да значи продужетак њихове доминације и опстанак, будући да сваки излазак Србије из геополитчке рупе у којој се нашла 90-тих година, по дефиницији, подразумева смену њених елита.
,,Клинтонизам" је у Америци изгубио важну битку, али рат против Трампа биће настављен на планетарном нивоу, са још не сасвим извесним завршетком. Клинтонистичке елите на периферији – у Европи и на Балкану – дубоко су засађене, и још нису у повлачењу, и тек ће се видети којом брзином и снагом ће о континент ударити нарасли талас из Америке. Зато је глупо падати у еуфорију и унапред проглашавати победе. За сада је сасвим довољно то што се овде мало лакше дише и што, за разлику од елита, српска власт у себи, поред ,,клинтонистичке", има развијену и трамповску парадигму.
http://standard.rs/politika/36196-мудраци-одлазећег-света
Quote from: Truman on 12-11-2016, 18:57:10
I dalje ne razumem zašto ih to čini pičkama? Jesu li pičke Francuzi kad su svojevremeno protestvovali protiv predsedničkog kandidata Lepena? Je l nemaju pravo? Ili da puste desničare da rade šta hoće. A da, iz vizure desničara oni su prave muškarčine a levičari su pičkice.
Pa prave muskarcine nisu ni izlazili na demonstracije tolikih izbornih krugova, nego su ga primili uvek i trpeli.Muski.
A ovi sad ne zna se ko je vise puta pizdnuo, te naci, te neki bigoti, te neki rasisti,,,,misliiiiiim,,,,
nemoj se lazemo....evo i mi smo urlali na Slobu na isti nacin,,,,demokratski, turim demokratiju....
e, sad smo se naucili i vise nikad necemo da pickanimo, nego cemo muski da trpimo Vucica.....
Svašta, i sam si priznao da je bolje protestvovati.
Pa elektorski sistem nije izmišljen s Trampom.
Ovo je počelo s Bregzitom...kad nam odgovaraju rezultati izbora, onda ih priznajemo, kad ne odgovaraju, onda demonstriramo, pozivamo na izmenu izbornih pravila, žalimo se Ustavnom sudu, Parlamentu...mislio sam da je to rezervisano samo za Balkan, kad ono i za Zapad...
Počeće ko Ćamil Duraković u Srebrenici, čovek jedino što se nije još žalio Generalnom sekretaru UN i Papi.
Ono što Tramp izjavljuje o Siriji-da treba uništavati teroriste, a ne Asada, da ne želi konflikt sa Rusijom, meni se prilično dopalo i deluje mi da je za ceo svet mnogo bolji pristup, nego onaj što ga Hilari ima o tom pitanju.
Nadam se da će mu zaista spoljna politika biti razumnija nego u demokrata.
To je ono što mene zanima, a da li će kršiti prava Amerikanaca, i kojih grupa, zaboli me uvo, ko što i njih zabole za nas,
to je njihov problem unutrašnji, pa neka ga rešavaju kako znaju.
Quote from: Truman on 12-11-2016, 20:34:11
Svašta, i sam si priznao da je bolje protestvovati.
Gde sam priznao da je bolje protestvovati?
Протестовати или протествовати?
Na ovo Anomanderovo, ako Trampa ne ucmekaju atentatorskim snajperskim metkom, ili Obama ne udari po vanrednom stanju i proglasi sebe dozivotnim vodjom, koji konacno krene i od celog sveta napravi United Continents of America,
mogu samo reci da je najbolje da nas ostave i ne pominju.
Amere je bese jos gore imati za prijatelja negoli neprijatelja.
Ugly, uopšte me ne bi začudilo da mu se nešto desi, i da izazovu neki haos da ,,spasu demokratiju''...
Не морају баш метак у чело, довољно да му увале неко силовање и импичмент.
Quote from: ridiculus on 12-11-2016, 23:24:32
Quote from: Pizzobatto on 12-11-2016, 23:07:17
Протестовати или протествовати?
Pro-testirati?
Не збуњуј људе!
Hahah, saznala u razgovoru s jednim Amerom da je na nekim univerzitetima studentima dato par dana pauze da bi se nekako pomirili (to cope) sa Hilarinim porazom. God damn.
Сад сви у државе гдје је легална вутра да се смире!
Ovi prosvjedi u Americi dobro dođu da se odmah, na jednom mestu povataju svi koji nemaju legalne papire. Lepo policija kaže demonstrantima:"Ovde policija! Svi ste uhapšeni!"
Turska upozorava svoje građane da ne putuju u SAD :mrgreen: :
http://www.b92.net/info/vesti/index.php?yyyy=2016&mm=11&dd=13&nav_category=78&nav_id=1198760
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/13/opinion/sunday/2016-election-thank-you-notes.html?_r=1
Коен није требо да снима Биг Лебовског ако му толико смета!
Трампе, издржи!
Sanders-čovjek koji bi ga možda pobijedio: Daću šansu Trampu!
Sentor iz Vermonta i čovjek za kog mnogi vjeruju da bi pobijedio Donalda Trampa u trci za predsjednika Berni Sanders, ponudio je pomoć novoizabranom predsjedniku SAD u komentaru koji je objavio Njujork tajms.
On je u čuvenom listu iznio svoje viđenje predsjedničkih izbora kao i stanja u kom se nalazi američko društvo. Njegov komentar prenosimo u cjelosti.
Milioni Amerikanaca dali su u utorak svoj protestni glas, izrazivši time svoje silno protivljenje privrednom i političkom sistemu koji stavlja interese korporacija i bogataša ispred njihovih interesa. Snažno sam podržavao Hilari Klinton, učestvovao u njenoj kampanji, i vjerovao sam da je ona pravi izbor. Ali Donald Tramp je osvojio Bijelu kuću zato što je njegova retorika iz kampanje uspješno pogodila žicu jednog vrlo stvarnog i opravdanog gnjeva, gnjeva koji osjećaju mnoge tradicionalne demokrate.
Tužan sam, ali ne i iznenađen ishodom. Za mene nije nikakav šok što su milioni ljudi koji su glasali za gospodina Trampa to učinili zato što su umorni i razočarani statusom kvo u privredi, politici i medijima.
Radničke porodice posmatraju kako političari dobijaju novčanu podršku za svoje kampanje od milijardera i predstavnika korporativnih interesa – i onda ignorišu potrebe običnih Amerikanaca. Za posljednjih 30 godina, previše Amerikanaca je doživjelo izdaju od svojih korporativnih šefova. Rade duže za manje plate, dok gledaju kako pošteno plaćeni poslovi odlaze u Kinu, Meksiko ili neku drugu zemlju s niskim platama.
Umorni su od toga da njihovi direktori zarađuju 300 puta više od njih, dok 52 odsto novonastalog prihoda odlazi u ruke najbogatijih jedan odsto. Mnogi njihovi, nekada preljepi, ruralni gradići ostali su bez stanovništva, sa zatvorenim radnjama u centru i djecom koja odlaze od kuće zato što nemaju posao – sve to dok korporacije isisavaju bogatstvo iz njihovih zajednica i trpaju ih na svoje ofšor račune.
Amerikanci iz radničke klase ne mogu svojoj djeci da priušte pristojnu, kvalitetnu brigu. Ne mogu da ih pošalju na fakultet i nemaju ništa na bankovnom računu kad odlaze u penziju. U mnogim djelovima zemlje ne mogu da pronađu pristupačne stanove, a cijena zdravstvenog osiguranja je vrlo previsoka. Brojne porodice egzistiraju u stanju očaja dok droga, alkohol i samoubistva skraćuju živote.
Izabrani predsjednik Tramp je u pravu: američki narod želi promjenu. Ali kakvu vrstu promjene će im on ponuditi? Hoće li imati hrabrosti da se suprotstavi se najmoćnijim ljudima u ovoj zemlji, koji su odgovorni za ekonomski očaj koje osjećaju tolike radničke porodice, ili će kolektivni bijes usmeriti prema manjinama, imigrantima, siromašnima i bespomoćnima?
Kad se moja trka za nominaciju za predsjedničku kampanju približila kraju, obećao sam svojim pristalicama da će se politička revolucija nastaviti. I sada, više nego ikada, ona mora da se dogodi.
Hoće li imati hrabrosti da se suprotstavi Vol Stritu, da radi na tome da razmontira finansijske institucije koje su "prevelike da propadnu" i da traži da velike banke investiraju u male preduzetnike i stvaraju poslove u ruralnoj Americi i središtima velikih gradova? Ili će imenovati još jednog bankara s Vol Strita da vodi Ministarstvo finansija koji će nastaviti po starom? Hoće li se, kao što je obećao u kampanji, zasta uhvatiti u koštac s farmaceutskom industrijom i smanjiti cijenu ljekova na recept?
Duboko sam potresen kada slušam priče Amerikanaca koji su zastrašeni i osećaju se maltretirano nakon pobjede gospodina Trampa, i čujem krike očaja porodica koje žive u strahu od propasti. Kao zemlja smo otišli predaleko u borbi protiv diskriminacije. Nećemo ići nazad. Budite sigurni, nema kompromisa kada je riječ o rasizmu, šovinizmu, ksenofobiji i seksizmu. Borićemo se protiv njih u svim njihovim oblicima, kad god i gdje god se ponovno pojave.
Daću šansu gospodinu Trampu da pokaže kakve ideje nudi, i kada i kako bismo mogli da radimo zajedno. Budući da je izgubio po broju nacionalnih glasova, međutim, bilo bi mu pametno da posluša glas progresivnih. Ako je izabrani predsjednik ozbiljan u planu da progura programe koji će poboljšati živote radničkih porodica, predstaviću mu neke vrlo realne mogućnosti kojima bi mogao da zadobije moju podršku.
Obnovimo našu raspadajuću infrastrukturu i stvorimo milione dobro plaćenih poslova. Podignimo minimalnu platu na nivo koja omogućava pristojan život, pomozimo studentima da mogu sebi da priušte odlazak na fakultet, pružimo porodicama plaćeni odmor i bolovanje i proširimo program socijalnog osiguranja. Reformišimo ekonomski sistem koji omogućava milijarderima kao što je gospodin Tramp da ne plaćaju ni centa saveznog poreza na prihod. I najvažnije, okončajmo mogućnost bogatih donatora da kupuju izbore.
U nadolazećim danima, predložiću seriju reformi kojima bi mogla da se oživi Demokratska stranka. Čvrsto vjerujem da stranka mora da se odrekne svojih veza s korporativnim establišmentom i ponovo postane stranka radnog naroda, starijih i siromašnih. Moramo da otvorimo vrata stranke kako bismo pružili dobrodošlicu idealizmu i energiji mladih ljudi i svih Amerikanaca koji se bore za privrednu, društvenu, rasnu i ekološku pravdu. Moramo da imamo hrabrosti da se suprotstavimo pohlepi i moći Vol Strita, farmaceutskih kompanija, osiguravajućih kompanija i industrije fosilnih goriva.
Kad se moja trka za nominaciju za predsjedničku kampanju približila kraju, obećao sam svojim pristalicama da će se politička revolucija nastaviti. I sada, više nego ikada, ona mora da se dogodi. Mi smo najbogatija nacija u istoriji svijeta. Kada stojimo jedni uz druge i ne dopuštamo da nas demagozi podijele po rasnoj, polnoj ili nacionalnoj osnovi, nema ničega što nijesmo u stanju da postignu. Moramo ići napred, ne nazad.
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Српска дадиља Трампове дјеце на Хепију!
Доналда Јуниора чувала, 8 година радила.
''Трамп је врло сталожен, тих, пун разумијевања и поштовања према људима!''
Психијатар Марић брани Трампове изјаве иза стејџа. Марић доминира опет.
Maric je prso s mozgom, retko odbojan covek.
Др Марић: "мушкарци од 60 су са женама од 20 јер тако могу да зајебу смрт"
Maricu milo sto se Maricu snilo! :lol:
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Ja se nešto u životu nisam mlatio sa podelom medju masonima, jezuitima, itd, svim ostalim nosiocima konspirasi tijori postojanja,
ali tek jutros primetih da ustvari ima razlike izmedju CNN i FOX-a?!?
Znači ipak ima dve struje koje se č'čkaju između sebe poglede globalizma i svetske dominacije?!?
Ja dosad misl'o to sve isto....!
Вимн, ко ће их разумјети!
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/10/white-women-donald-trump-victory
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/20/magazine/donald-trumps-america-pennsylvania-women.html
Obama se šeta po svetu, stigo do Grčke i ko neka poslednja opajdara kenja o Trampu....
neverovatttno!
Amerski liberali plaču, kenjaju, vrište ,histerišu......
u šta se pretvori ovaj svet, majko mila, ts,ts,ts....
I to će da šalje negde vojsku, ili da kroji svetske politike?!?
Sve go lažov, dramaturg, Vučić original!
Ja da sam Amer, ponudio bi Putinu da dodje ,kandiduje se i dovede bagru u red :)
Posle Trampa , naravno.... ;)
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ma bas su i rusi pojam bilo cega dobrog za obican narod... :mrgreen:
samo hitler.
Зоско, српски трамповци кажу да Ангела пада на изборима!
Треба провјерити шта се прича по пиварама
Бен Карсон, неурохирург Афро-Американац, славан по томе што је одвојио сијамске близанце осамдесетих, глумио хирурга који раздваја близанце у неком филму с Метом Дејмоном...
Који не вјерује у еволуцију, велики прасак и тако те керефеке, глобално загријавање далеко било, већ да је Земљу Бог направио за 6 дана и одмарао седми.
Кандидат је за секретара образовања у Трамповом кабинету.
Ако се то деси зна се ко ће бити најсрећнији Сагиташ!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Carson
Quote from: Pizzobatto on 16-11-2016, 00:25:50
Zosko, srpski trampovci kažu da Angela pada na izborima!
Treba provjeriti šta se priča po pivarama
birtije kazu sad je na redu neka ludjakinja iz zelenog tabora poput roth... :cry:
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Barak i Džo u epizodi "President Elect":
http://9gag.com/gag/a2dZn8d
Makedonci iz Velesa su krivi za predsednika Trampa!
http://heavy.com/news/2016/11/fake-news-facebook-google-donald-trump-bernie-sanders-wins-election/ (http://heavy.com/news/2016/11/fake-news-facebook-google-donald-trump-bernie-sanders-wins-election/)
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/the-guardian/20161116/281719794167101 (https://www.pressreader.com/uk/the-guardian/20161116/281719794167101)
Nevezano za Trampa, ali vezano za Srbe.
Moram da istaknem, za sve one koji misle da sam veliki izdajnik srpstva,
da mi se ipak vratila neka vera u mentalno zdravlje ovog naroda.
Bojao sam se da su Srbi, u toj meri indroktrinirani i napujdani da mrze sve što je zapadno,
da će ta mržnja postala bezuslovna i da će široke narodne mase mrzeti sveš to je američko u svim mogućim varijantama,
dok su živi.
Na mogu sreću, stvarno me je demantovala pa sam svedok toga da se ispostavilo da Srbi ipak mrze samo
određene političke strukture u SAD. Konkreto, vezano za ove izbore, to bi bilo onih 40 % glasača Klintonovih.
Ohrabrilo me je to što sam ipak uočio da nema mržnje prema onoj drugoj, polovini američkog naroda, što ovih dana
mogu da se vide posteri i slike u kojima su povezane američka i srpska zastava pa je čak i Šešelj istakao da su Srbi i Amerikanci bili na zajedničkim stranama u svim ratovima do 1990. godine.
Veliki sam kritičar politike Miloševića u 1990-im godinama i daleko bolje razumem razloge zašto je nastalo bombardovanje 1999. godine (Odgovor na 720 000 proteranih Albanaca, kao i na bombardovanje Sarajeva, Vukovara i Dubrovnika) od većine Srba.
Isto tako i znam koliko su nebulozne i tvrdnje da nam Ameri uvaljuju HAARP sistem, da nam uvaljuju vakcine s namerom da nas unište ili da je SRbija radioaktivna od osiromašenog uranijuma, a ne postoji nijedan jedini uređaj za merenje radijacije (čak ni ruski ili kineski) koji su tu radijaciju uspeli da izmere. U Černobilu, uređaji i dan danas mere koliku toliku radijaciju, a u Srbije ništa.
Ali ako se već te teorije zavere i zablude o srpskoj apsolutnoj nevinosti tokom 90-ih ne mogu razbiti jer su ukorenjene kao drvo Zimska raž, onda je bolja varijanta da narod bar mrzi samo određene režimske strukture, ali ne i ceo taj narod ili njihov sistem vrednosti.
Bolje išta nego ništa.
To je znak rađanja zrelosti ovog naroda, pa ako ništa drugo, da se ceni što je Amerika čovečanstvu dala 1.maj (osmočasovno radno vreme) i 8. mart (začetak ženskih prava), ukidanje ropstva, kao i obnovu Republike, izum interneta i kinematografiju bez koje je nemoguće zamisliti savremenu civilizaciju.
Живјела србска Македонија!
Мада медији нису извјештавали када Блек Лајвс Метр бију бијелце, па су ове радикалне измишљотине и сами изазвали.
Quote from: Loni on 16-11-2016, 11:30:24
Nevezano za Trampa, ali vezano za Srbe.
Moram da istaknem, za sve one koji misle da sam veliki izdajnik srpstva,
da mi se ipak vratila neka vera u mentalno zdravlje ovog naroda.
Bojao sam se da su Srbi, u toj meri indroktrinirani i napujdani da mrze sve što je zapadno,
da će ta mržnja postala bezuslovna i da će široke narodne mase mrzeti sveš to je američko u svim mogućim varijantama,
dok su živi.
Na mogu sreću, stvarno me je demantovala pa sam svedok toga da se ispostavilo da Srbi ipak mrze samo
određene političke strukture u SAD. Konkreto, vezano za ove izbore, to bi bilo onih 40 % glasača Klintonovih.
Ohrabrilo me je to što sam ipak uočio da nema mržnje prema onoj drugoj, polovini američkog naroda, što ovih dana
mogu da se vide posteri i slike u kojima su povezane američka i srpska zastava pa je čak i Šešelj istakao da su Srbi i Amerikanci bili na zajedničkim stranama u svim ratovima do 1990. godine.
Veliki sam kritičar politike Miloševića u 1990-im godinama i daleko bolje razumem razloge zašto je nastalo bombardovanje 1999. godine (Odgovor na 720 000 proteranih Albanaca, kao i na bombardovanje Sarajeva, Vukovara i Dubrovnika) od većine Srba.
Isto tako i znam koliko su nebulozne i tvrdnje da nam Ameri uvaljuju HAARP sistem, da nam uvaljuju vakcine s namerom da nas unište ili da je SRbija radioaktivna od osiromašenog uranijuma, a ne postoji nijedan jedini uređaj za merenje radijacije (čak ni ruski ili kineski) koji su tu radijaciju uspeli da izmere. U Černobilu, uređaji i dan danas mere koliku toliku radijaciju, a u Srbije ništa.
Ali ako se već te teorije zavere i zablude o srpskoj apsolutnoj nevinosti tokom 90-ih ne mogu razbiti jer su ukorenjene kao drvo Zimska raž, onda je bolja varijanta da narod bar mrzi samo određene režimske strukture, ali ne i ceo taj narod ili njihov sistem vrednosti.
Bolje išta nego ništa.
To je znak rađanja zrelosti ovog naroda, pa ako ništa drugo, da se ceni što je Amerika čovečanstvu dala 1.maj (osmočasovno radno vreme) i 8. mart (začetak ženskih prava), ukidanje ropstva, kao i obnovu Republike, izum interneta i kinematografiju bez koje je nemoguće zamisliti savremenu civilizaciju.
Pa i ja svo vreme pričam dole pederi, rasisti i globalisti i turam na isti ove nove envajormentaliste.
I dole govna koja su nas bombardovala!
Misliiiim, ko je lud da mrzi tolke divne Amere što crtaju stripove i snimaju filmove?!?!
Mislim ,kad pomeneš Brisel ,Belgija, odma ti se povraća od politike, ali narod-ima li divnijeg?!?
Zemlja stripa i piva!!! Ja samo da ponesem ćevape i eto raj na zemlji.
I ko je lud da mrzi divan narod zbog pokrivljenih političara?!?
Al, dobro je da si i ti progledao......
Globalnost je istorijska neminovnost, a ne plan nekakve kabale političara i industrijalaca. Sve se globalizuje, pa čak i pokret protiv globalizma. Talk about irony. Održiv razvoj je takođe istorijska nemonovnost (u suprotnom neće biti nove istorije). Trpaš različite koncepte u jednu košaru zvanu "ja to nevolem", ali jaja u toj košari nemaju ništa drugo zajedničko osim da ih ti ne voliš. Pošto nemaju ništa drugo zajedničko onda je ta košara od značaja samo za tebe i ni za koga drugog. Svi mi imamo slične košare, ali su one od značaja samo svojem vlasniku.
Loni
Većina nas ,,antizapadnjaka'' niti mrzi Ameriku, niti američki narod...već mrzi/ne voli, američku spoljnu politiku, pre svega onu koju sprovode prema nama, a onda manjim delom zbog politike koju provode i prema ostatku sveta. Npr, oni su izazvali rat u Siriji, destabilizovali jednu za arapske uslove relativno stabilnu zemlju, dozvolili nastanak ISIS, i sad ne znaju kako da se izvuku, i zaustave sranje. I uvek im je za razbucavanje neke zemlje izgovor ,,srušiti diktatora'', Miloševića, Gadafija, Sadama, Asada...ljudi jednostavno više ne padaju na tu priču, obrazac je previše puta ponovljen da bi više iko imao sumnje šta zaista rade, a šta im služi samo kao izgovor.
Onoga trenutka kad se američka spoljna politika prema nama promeni, kad prestane da nas ucenjuje, otima nam teritorije, davi nas ko zmija žabu, ima jedan aršin za nas a za sve druge narode u okruženju drugi ( na srpsku štetu), ili se barem taj odnos koliko toliko uravnoteži, tog trenutka ću prestati blatiti Ameriku.
Naravno, neće Tramp vratiti Kosovo ni doneti neki radikalan zaokret, ali ljudi se nadaju da će barem malo biti blaža i uravnoteženija njegova politika prema nama, nego što bi bila politika Klintonove, za koju je sasvim sigurno da bi nastavila opisano ,,zmija žabu'' davljenje.
To je to, i verujem da većina tako misli, a naravno postoji i neki mali procenat ljudi, žestokih nacionalista, verski indoktrinitranih itd, koji mrze sve što je zapadno, ne samo zapadnu politiku.
No i na ,,vašoj'' strani imaš takve...recimo, Jelena Milić, ispoljava otvorenu mržnju prema Rusiji...vrlo ružnu, to je baš mržnja. S druge strane, recimo imaš Čedu Jovanovića-ja se ne slažem sa njegovim stavovima, ali on iznosi svoje argumente kad kritikuje Rusiju ; iznosi svoje stavove, koji se meni lično ne dopadaju, ali u njima ne vidim mržnju prema Rusiji. A u Milićkinim govorima osećam da mrzi.
Појма немам како Лони уопште долази до својих закључака.
Срби гледају западне филмове, скушају западну музику, носе западне патике, возе западна кола.
Филмаџије копирају Холивуд, фолкери копирају МТВ, ми смо толило позападњачена нација да нам Русија културно мало шта значи.
Pa i meni nije jasno. Izvači pogrešan zaključak, da zato što ne volimo zapadnu politiku, mrzimo Zapad.
Po tome, ispada da svi amerikanci koji su bili protiv Vijetnamskog ili Iračkog rata, mrze Ameriku,
a naravno da nije tako.
Quote from: Loni on 16-11-2016, 11:30:24
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Bojao sam se da su Srbi, u toj meri indroktrinirani i napujdani da mrze sve što je zapadno,
da će ta mržnja postala bezuslovna i da će široke narodne mase mrzeti sveš to je američko u svim mogućim varijantama,
dok su živi.
Na mogu sreću, stvarno me je demantovala pa sam svedok toga da se ispostavilo da Srbi ipak mrze samo
određene političke strukture u SAD. Konkreto, vezano za ove izbore, to bi bilo onih 40 % glasača Klintonovih.
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ma ne daj se zavarati. trampa ne mrze tek jer pod kontrolom jebaljke first lady koju na liniji drze srpski i ruski manekeni... :mrgreen:
Quote from: mac on 16-11-2016, 12:31:22
Globalnost je istorijska neminovnost, a ne plan nekakve kabale političara i industrijalaca. Sve se globalizuje, pa čak i pokret protiv globalizma. Talk about irony. Održiv razvoj je takođe istorijska nemonovnost (u suprotnom neće biti nove istorije). Trpaš različite koncepte u jednu košaru zvanu "ja to nevolem", ali jaja u toj košari nemaju ništa drugo zajedničko osim da ih ti ne voliš. Pošto nemaju ništa drugo zajedničko onda je ta košara od značaja samo za tebe i ni za koga drugog. Svi mi imamo slične košare, ali su one od značaja samo svojem vlasniku.
Ha, kako je ovo lepo rečeno. Ima da ištampam i da čitam svaki put kada se povede rasprava u kafani xcheers
Istorijska neminovnost?! Bwaaaahahahaaaa....tvoje jaje, ok, neka ti ga....
Moja košara je puna tvrdo kuvanih jaja o koja će se razbiti svi ostali mućci koje pokušavaju da nam kukavički uvale!
Трамп није, што би реко Мехо, херој кога смо прижељкивали него херој који нам је био потребан!
Koliko čitam po medijima, reće trampova privatizacija američkog sistema. Ubacivanje rođaka, izbacivanje profesionalaca itd...
Srbija do Wašingtondisija!!!
Logično je to i svi predsednici to rade. Niko ne može da vlada sam. Trebaju ti ljudi koji će da slede tvoje komande. Ti profesionalci koji trenutno drže poluge vlasti mogu da mu otežaju posao u budućnosti. Zašto bi se kockao s tim stvarima i ostavio ih na pozicijama vlasti? Gubitak profesionalca je manji od gubitka poluge vlasti.
Izbori utiču i na brak :!: : http://www.blic.rs/vesti/svet/bil-klinton-besan-moja-zena-i-njen-stab-su-sami-krivi-za-poraz/5p9typb
ДА ЛИ ЈЕ ЗАИСТА БАЛОН ПУКАО?
МОХСИН ЗИДИКИ
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Можда нам делује као да су се мас-медији обрукали. Што се њих тиче, уверења су им учвршћена – повређени су од ,,шаке јада"
Амерички избори, баш као и већина ствари које свакодневно конзумирамо путем масовних медија, уствари су позорница са гомилом американизама зачињеном хиперболама и немају додирних тачака са реалношћу. Константни бараж infotainment-а (сложеница од енглеских речи info , што се преводи као информација, и
entertainment , што значи забава; прим. прев.) из незамењиве земље, изузетне земље и доброћудне суперсиле (три надимка којима Американци често називају своју земљу; прим. прев.) сведочи о жељи за конзумирањем информација ослобођених од стега реалности.
Овај информативни ГМО проникао је у сваки аспект нашег постојања и заразио умове милијарди људи широм света. Неки га исмевају и виде као инфериорног или чак неодрживог. Али требало би разумети да је то храна за либералну душу и снага на коју треба рачунати.
Људска бића огроман део свог разумевања светске реалнопсти црпу из информација које су им достављене директно, путем медија, или индиректно, посредством људи које познају, религије, анегдота, бајки и културних норми. Све се то на крају своди на проток информација, као робе која се дизајнира, прерађује, пакује и непрекидно ,,дорађује". Већина нас потцењује истинску супермоћ масовних медија. Гледамо статистике, концентрацију власти и посматрамо ехо-комору, али још увек имамо потребу да пустимо да све одстоји како бисмо заиста схватили право значење.
Масовни медији су енкапсулација информационог спектра; од магазина, преко спорта, историје, бизниса до политике, све прожима невидљива нит филозофије која его и душу наводи ка атомизованом, индивидуалистичком погледу на свет. То је ехо-комора какву планета до сада није видела; оргуље за обликвовање реалности милијарди људи. Људско биће је мешавина историје, културе, религије, филозофије, географије, епигенетике и стециште у које се уливају многи други слојеви информација. Масовни медији су флаута која хармонизује ову какофонију у једниствену мелодију и тако ствара марионету каква је данас савремени човек.
Отпор шареном фрулашу је могућ, али изискује да се напусти комфорна зона коју информативни матрикс креира за легије својих пратилаца; то осећање да нечему припадате, да вас разумеју, да сте ,,у праву" и да сте на страни добра. Једино реалност има могућност да створи такве сентименте, али у нашем изокренутом свету многи таворе хранећи се генетски модификованим информацијама, а то није проблем само за Американце – који су озбиљно погођени – већ се ради о глобалном феномену.
Успешни предузетници, бизнисмени, академици, финансијски експерти, новинари, комшије, пријатељи, браћа, сестре и партнери – сви могу бити упетљани у мрежу информационог матрикса. Многи од нас су имали проблема да објасне конфликте у Сирији, Либији, Ираку, Украјини и Јемену својим колегама и пријатељима јер нам је деловало као да наше речи нема ко да чује и разуме. Постоји тешка когнитивна дисонанца, а тефлонски вредносни матрикс – као производ претходно аранжираних широкоприхваћених вредности – чини да све чињенице и докази које износимо падају у воду. Пише се о првој женској председници, а не о њеним ратним злочинима, или о томе да из једног табора наводе како је расиста и мизогинични бигот бољи избор од психопатског масовног убице. То је паралелна стварност и апсолутна дистопија.
Како некоме објаснити да су избори највећим делом организована представа за јавност? Да су САД империја са хиљаду војних база, а не држава? Да је миротворац Обама некажњено убијао цивиле у седам земаља? Да Хиларини црни животи нису били вредни (алузија на црначки протестни покрет Black lives matter, што се преводи као ,,животи црнаца су важни"; прим. прев.) у стопроцентно црначким градовима Либије који су у потпуности истребљени? Да је Асадова Сирија пријатељски настројена према LGBT популацији а ,,Сиријска револуција", која се никад није догодила, непријатељски? Или да се једноставно не ради о личностима, геј правима или црначким животима, већ о класној борби?
Осим тога, како сажети ствари и разговарати о империјализму са народом који мисли да је учествовање у протестима које финансирају Соросеви фондови – за добробит империјалне ратне машине – исто што и бити члан комунистичког/марксистичког покрета? Како објаснити империјализам кад је ознака која стоји поред бисте краља Леополда II већа од Хитлерове?
Тај временски бездан постаје све дубљи.
Већ 20 година причам са пријатељима покушавајући да укажем на питања за која сматрам да се о њима не говори: класна борба, начин рада масовних медија, обојене револуције, империјализам и питање напуштања персонализоване политике. Наша највећа препрека су управо персонализована политика, менаџери хеџ фондова, образовани дипломци и приче о успеху у Силиконској долини. Како ми, јадници, уопште можемо ишта да знамо?
Током недавне размене мишљења Родес Сколар се нашалио: ,,Укратко, ти говориш да је Трамп добар за Русију. Верујем да се ту слажемо". Нисам знао шта да одговорим, тефлонски вредносни матрикс је поново победио. Платонов демократски човек осветнички чува цитаделу своје душе.
Још један високо образовани и углађени истраживач на престижном унверзитету Ајви лиге наводи ,,... под председником Обамом смо повратили економију, смањили незапосленост, нисмо почели ниједан велики нови рат" и завршава свој изванредни увид поентом да је ,,Обама урадио одличан посао". Болна истина у визури колонизованог ума; ови образовани мушкарци и жене су crème de la crème својих – империјализмом опустошених – земаља; они су ти који су то пословично ,,одрадили".
Њихове речи њима звуче смислено. Можда нама делује као да је балон пукао и да су се мас-медији осрамотили. Али, што се тиче њих – уверења су им само додатно учвршћена и сматрају да су повређени од ,,шаке јада" (basket of deplorables , термин који је Хилари Клинтон употребила при опису Трампових присталица, прим. прев.).
http://standard.rs/svet/36240-да-ли-је-заиста-балон-пукао
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Infolmer egzaltirano javlja kako se Tramp okružuje prijateljima Srbije, ikako će od sada da nam bude mnogo bolje, dok Blic javlja kako ce Trampov savetnik da bude neka hrvatica čiji su deda i otac bili veliki štivaoci Pavelića, koji su branili ustaše.
Pored toga, Informer javlja da je Rusija poništila sud u Hagu, šta god to značilo.
Pa, da je Putin potpisao formalan ukaz kojim se ne prihvata nadležnost MKS, mada Rusija nikada nije ni ratifikovala svoj potpis u vezi sa njegovim osnivanjem, pa ga tehnički ni do sad nije prepoznavala kao validan.
Ma jasno, naslov unutar novina je sasvim drugačiji, i iz njega se može prepoznati šta se tu dogodilo. A ovaj na naslovnoj strani mi je potpuna besmislica.
Quote from: tomat on 17-11-2016, 20:02:58
Blic javlja kako ce Trampov savetnik da bude neka hrvatica čiji su deda i otac bili veliki štivaoci Pavelića, koji su branili ustaše.
Боље но Килари!
http://www.blic.rs/vesti/svet/ekskluzivno-iz-amerike-milan-panic-za-blic-trampa-su-izglasali-gnevni-ljudi/p7yy7xj
Dobar intervju Milana Panića o objašnjenje zašto se Srbi lože na Trampa...
I da dam jednu prognozu - vrlo brzo će uslediti novo razočarenje kad Tramp krene da koristi pendrek po svetu. Isto kao što su se razočarali u Buša sad će i u njega...
je l postojala nada u Buša uopšte?
Da, koliko se sećam. Ljudi su govorili - Buš je konzervativni republikanac, neće podržavati ove dilere droge Albance. Republikanci nas nisu bombardovali, sa njima ćemo naći zajednički jezik...
Па и није их подржао. Коштуница је малтене у јануару 2008. продао НИС Русима, у фебруару је признато самопроглашено Косово. То је била реакција на Коштуницу.
А друга ствар јесте оно што сам већ поставио овдје на теми, да се Буш није разликовао од Клинтона и Обаме по идеји "беневолентне глобалне хегемоније", док је Трамп константно говорио о смањеном ангажовању у Нато, да европске земље више учествују и да се сарађује с Русијом.
То је епохално другачије, мада свакако неће бити тектонских поремећаја, јер смо јели говна 26 година, ал једном бар треба стати с обедом.
Ео, још једном
http://unwrappingtheessence.weebly.com/blog/sta-pobeda-donalda-trampa-znaci-za-americku-spoljnu-politiku
Trampa su se i Bušovci odrekli, sećate se?!
Eh, Američki predsednik je Američki predsednik, nama je valjda bitniji naš....
Kad će neki naši izbori da idemo da glasamo za Dveri, pa da slika bude kompletna :)
Dverjani su mlakonje, bolje za Šekija!
Ma Šeki je umoran,,,a i iz istog tabora večitih opozicionara i pljuvača po vlasti ma kakva i koja ona bila...
Ja lično sam uvek bio protiv glasanja i demokratije uopšte, ali sad moram da izadjem i glasam da skinu ove SNS....jebgaaa......
Quote from: Ugly MF on 18-11-2016, 00:40:45
Trampa su se i Bušovci odrekli, sećate se?!
Eh, Američki predsednik je Američki predsednik, nama je valjda bitniji naš....
Kad će neki naši izbori da idemo da glasamo za Dveri, pa da slika bude kompletna :)
Hehe, Boško se već proslavio, sa onim antologijskim ,,gde bežite...'' u RIKu, prilikom onog čuvenog
brojanja glasova...
ma daaaa, ali pogle sad svo ovo kukanje i prenemaganje,,,,CNN je brateeee u fazonu, jao žene plaču, pa opet snimak Majli Sajrus kako rida i prenemaže se, eeeej!
Jedna žabokrečina od pojave eeeej!
Lepo kažu ljudi da se nije glasalo ZA trampa nego protiv svih tih 'liberalnih sloboda' gde ne smeš da pisneš protiv njihovog establišmenta, uuuuu,jebote,
ovo ono....
I ovde došo njihov pulen Vučić i uveo Gej-paradu! Znači, govno mora da ode!!!
Gejovi jadni nek ostanu, oni nikome ne smetaju, smetaju njihovi zahtevi i pojave ;)
Boško mora malko da proširi dijapazon delovanja, ne samo UA Vučić, Napred Rusi.
Jebeš i te Ruse, Putin danas, sutra neki novi Lenjin, ili Staljin, zajeeeeeebi ti to......
ma sve se svodi da je ovaj komunizam teška prevara....
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Чомски, не брини, Трамп из хир!
Fejsbuk počeo da uklanja postove koji popularišu Trampa!
Ua demokrate! Ua liberali! Ua selebriti i fejk CNN njuz.... :)
Nešto me stručno zabole za bilo šta u svetu, ja znam da kad crknem, Bog će da me preispita za sve što sam ćutao i nisam se bunio....
'Nisi se bunio protiv prajda,a? Nisi se bunio protiv komunjara ,a?...'' itd, da ne nabrajam, lista grehova ide iza horizonta....
Ali trenutno je sitjuejšn takav da se popišali svi oni koji su nam uvalili gejovštinu u TV serije, a to je mene mloooogo drago....
Skoro se odreknuh nekih TV serija, nadam se da će se i oni odreknut gejovštine i političke korektnosti i ovog novog envajorMentalizma pa da se vratimo u normalu :wink:
Šta će i siroti Vučić...) U komšiluku ima Orbana, u Bugarskoj i Moldaviji na predsedničkim izborima pobeđuju proruski kandidati...ali na stranu i to, zajeb godine) mu je ona izjava o fondaciji Klintonovih ,,podržavam je zato što sam pametan. Hilari će najverovatnije pobediti.''
Sad sam slušao na yt analizu jednog astrologa koji je predvideo pobedu Trampa...sad predviđa da će da strada u atentatu. Brinem se za našeg voljenog Trampa.
Quote from: Ugly MFsvi oni koji su nam uvalili gejovštinu u TV serije
Aaaaa! Koji si ti meni kralj Agli!!!! xrofl xrofl
Pa nemo' se zezaš, ispada da mi omiljene serije Ash, Scream Queeens i Gotham jedino vrede!
Ash nigde gejova, Gotham su svi negativci, a u Scream Queens ih odma iskasape čim se pojave!
Ne volem ja mloge stvari, ni demonkraciju , ni feminizme, ni envajorMentole, masu toga liberalnog,
al' ovi su baš , baš, napadni, onako, oće da ti uđu u sve....pukotine.....s prs' u oko, itd....
:lol: uopste se ne zezam, meni su ove tvoje serijske muke i rantovi istinski simpaticni, zaista se iskreno nasmejem, bez ikakvog cinizma. skauts onor!
Pa šta je bitnije od zabave na ovom svetu!?
I onda kad ti to ukenjaju, šta čovek jadan da radi?!?
Aaaaaaaaa :(
Енд нау самтин грејт аген
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ovYP1teHnw&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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Едит
Наравно, ово је Црна Гора, али свјетски медији закључили да је Русија
Može i u srbija danas, al ajt ovde. Evo šta veli kandidat za državnog sekretara
ĐULIJANI O SRBIJI Rekao sam im: Trebalo je da vas bombarduju! http://www.blic.rs/v2pklc2
Што се блиц укењо толико... додуше, германски власник.
"Moj prijatelj Djulijani" :lol: :roll:
Trampov uvodni dan na novom poslu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUWSLlz0Fdo
Dobro, postavio na fejs. Usput, ko je ova plavušica?
Ta plavušica je jedino vredno u novim Ghostbustersima, ovim novim feminiziranim....
Malo kasno stiže, ali evo kako je izgledalo na dan izbora u prosečnom progresivističkom okruženju
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHG0ezLiVGc
Prvobitno sam naisla na njen video o Hilarinim mejlovima, ali onda me zainteresovalo sta vlogerka ima da kaze na druge teme. Evo jednog kraceg na temu Trampove pobede.
http://youtu.be/MYup8DzLpUk
Ja sam slušao nekog Bill Burra , stand-up komičara koji se nazajebavo sa ovim plačipičkastim selebritijima ,valjda ima ko neku radio emisiju,
on je dobar.Mislim, danas je dobro samo ono što nije politički korektno, jelte.
A onda sam nabasao i na neki njegov performans, nema snimak, samo ton, gde zajebava one njiove rednekse sa juga....to je ubedljivo nešto najbolje što sam ikad čuo od svih komičara ikad.Digresija, ali nema veze, ja nešto nisam preterano oduševljen tim stendap komičarima, ali to sa rednexima ću slušati par puta....
Super, okaci taj video o redneksima, rado bih pogledala.
Ova zena ja bas u prvopomenutom videu potkacila Dilana Morana (mog omiljenog stend ap komicara) apropo njegovog, ajmo reci, nerazumevanja problematike imejl skandala itd.
Mi stvarno jesmo publika sa jeftinim ulaznicama, mislim da vecina nasih ljudi ne moze da pojmi razmere koje je poprimila cela ta PC kultura koju vise ne znam ni kako da nazovem, a da budem precizna (jer, jeftine ulaznice). Ja na primer imam primer lika (amerikanca) koji se od ekstremnog liberala izmetnuo u gotovo pa suprotnost za svega par godina, upravo ga je ta kultura radikalizovala, izazvala otpor.
Najbolje uzeti sve s rezervom, i ovu vlogerku, i medije i pojave koje kritikuje, sve sto nam se prezentuje, ever. :lol:
Ја сам од Рона Вајта, реднек стендап комичара, чуо најбољу одбрану гејева, тако да сам се касније лако приклонио Трампу и заборавио на пц!
Quote from: Dybuk on 21-11-2016, 19:34:24
Super, okaci taj video o redneksima, rado bih pogledala.
Ova zena ja bas u prvopomenutom videu potkacila Dilana Morana (mog omiljenog stend ap komicara) apropo njegovog, ajmo reci, nerazumevanja problematike imejl skandala itd.
Mi stvarno jesmo publika sa jeftinim ulaznicama, mislim da vecina nasih ljudi ne moze da pojmi razmere koje je poprimila cela ta PC kultura koju vise ne znam ni kako da nazovem, a da budem precizna (jer, jeftine ulaznice). Ja na primer imam primer lika (amerikanca) koji se od ekstremnog liberala izmetnuo u gotovo pa suprotnost za svega par godina, upravo ga je ta kultura radikalizovala, izazvala otpor.
Najbolje uzeti sve s rezervom, i ovu vlogerku, i medije i pojave koje kritikuje, sve sto nam se prezentuje, ever. :lol:
Ma ja tu vlogerku nisam ni stigao odslušati do kraja, Burr je oplevio i po Majli Sajrus i Šer, i još nekima što se tiče izbora i suzopljusa,
a što se tiče napadnosti PCija i liberarnog terora, ima dobru opalu po nekom koncertu Lejdi Gage koja je tačno više izbljuvak , slina koja samo kotrlja i raste, itd....
Evo ti ovog, deo koji mene oduševio je od negde osmog minuta, ali i dotle je skroz dobar, PC, midžeti, buš ,rednexi, i dalje ima svašta, rrasizam, muško-žensko, dobar je.
Verovatno na youtube ga otkucaš, ima radio expoze o spitovanju liberalnih kukumavki, itd...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8keJvMVqEg&list=RDo8DG01q73Nw&index=26
Kul, hvala! :)
(treba nam generalna tema za stendap, di cemo kaciti ovakve stvari, imamo samo neku za nase komicare)
Nema veze, ima Kenjaže protiv predsednika, Amera itd... ;)
Jon Stewart slams liberal 'hypocrisy' for branding Trump voters racist
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2016/nov/17/jon-stewart-slams-liberal-hypocrisy-for-branding-d/
What the alt-right really wants, according to a professor writing a book about them (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/11/21/what-the-alt-right-really-wants-according-to-a-professor-writing-a-book-about-them/feed/)
Grejtsthitsofoltajm!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyEXshBOwEU
Quote from: Meho Krljic on 22-11-2016, 06:41:07
What the alt-right really wants, according to a professor writing a book about them (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/11/21/what-the-alt-right-really-wants-according-to-a-professor-writing-a-book-about-them/feed/)
Ha, pa koja je poenta ovog intervjua, kad na kraju pokaže da to nema veze s Trampom
Možda upravo to, da se pokaže da nema veze s Trampom? Možda je novinar mislio da ima veze, pa intervjuisao stručnjaka koji kaže da nema veze, i novinar kaže u redu, objavićemo.
I objavi u zadnjem pasusu, koji niko ne čita
Pogledati na Cripplovom topiku tekst iz Wireda koji je on danas tamo okačio. Tu se elaborira zašto i kako Alt Right i Trump nisu isto ali i zašto postoji određena konvergencija.
Ma jasno je to meni, ali čitaoci su kognitivne tvrdice a urednici su namjerne pijanice.
Uzmi rat u Iraku i masovno oružje, pisali su ogromne naslovnice s podrškom Bušu, a neke tekstiće od 10 redaka na 23. strani info koje invaziji ne idu u prilog.
Poslije se izvlače da su pisali objektivno, jedino NY Times se izvinio čitaocima zbog obmanjivanja.
Sad pišu o alt right, u prvoj rečenici Trump supporters, a u zadnjoj da Trampa bole uvce za njih. Zašto onda uopšte dobijaju medijski prostor?
Ovo je bre klasično spinovanje.
Quote from: Dybuk on 21-11-2016, 17:34:27
Prvobitno sam naisla na njen video o Hilarinim mejlovima, ali onda me zainteresovalo sta vlogerka ima da kaze na druge teme. Evo jednog kraceg na temu Trampove pobede.
http://youtu.be/MYup8DzLpUk
Sad pogledah, ala ova uživa u pobjedi!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ilPv8R1TSo&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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koji smarac, poslusala pola. hear me, hear meeee!!!!!!!!!
Trump says he talked to Apple's CEO. Here's what he says they talked about. (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-says-talked-apples-ceo-165355358.html)
President-elect
Donald Trump (http://www.cnbc.com/donald-trump/?__source=yahoo%7Cfinance%7Cinline%7Cstory%7Cstory&par=yahoo&doc=104126298)told
The New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/23/us/politics/trump-new-york-times-interview-transcript.html?_r=0) he got a call from
Apple (http://www.cnbc.com/tim-cook/?__source=yahoo%7Cfinance%7Cinline%7Cstory%7Cstory&par=yahoo&doc=104126298)CEO
Tim Cook (http://www.cnbc.com/tim-cook/?__source=yahoo%7Cfinance%7Cinline%7Cstory%7Cstory&par=yahoo&doc=104126298), and they talked about bringing more production back to the U.S.
Here's what Trump said on Tuesday, according to a transcript from the
Times:
"I was honored yesterday, I got a call from
Bill Gates (http://www.cnbc.com/bill-gates/?__source=yahoo%7Cfinance%7Cinline%7Cstory%7Cstory&par=yahoo&doc=104126298), great call, we had a great conversation, I got a call from Tim Cook at Apple, and I said, 'Tim, you know one of the things that will be a real achievement for me is when I get Apple to build a big plant in the United States, or many big plants in the United States, where instead of going to China, and going to Vietnam, and going to the places that you go to, you're making your product right here.' He said, 'I understand that.' I said: 'I think we'll create the incentives for you, and I think you're going to do it. We're going for a very large tax cut for corporations, which you'll be happy about.'"
We don't know Cook's side of the conversation, though CNBC has reached out to Apple for comment. In a wide-ranging interview Tuesday, Trump told
Times reporters that by cutting regulations, bringing production back to the United States would boost jobs and further America's position in the robotics industry.
Trump promised during his campaign to lower the business tax rate (https://www.donaldjtrump.com/policies/tax-plan/?/positions/tax-reform) to 15 percent and allow the one-time repatriation of corporate profits held offshore at a tax rate of 10 percent. With a 26 percent tax rate and $216 billion stored offshore, Apple could be the
biggest beneficiary in tech (http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/21/apple-is-headed-for-a-clash-with-trump-on-some-crucial-issues.html?__source=yahoo%7Cfinance%7Cinline%7Cstory%7Cstory&par=yahoo&doc=104126298)of the policies, according to Bernstein analyst Toni Sacconaghi. Cook has said he would love to repatriate Apple's cash, if not for the "unreasonable," "backward" and "awful (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/apple-60-minutes-ceo-tim-cook/)" tax rate.
"I tell you, one thing I would say, so, I'm giving a big tax cut and I'm giving big regulation cuts, and I've seen all of the small business owners over the United States, and all of the big business owners, I've met so many people," Trump told the
Times. "They are more excited about the regulation cut than about the tax cut. And I would've never said that's possible, because the tax cut's going to be substantial. You know we have companies leaving our country because the taxes are too high. But they're leaving also because of the regulations."
But Trump has also proposed adding one regulation — tariffs on trade with China — that
Deutsche Bank said could hurt Apple (http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/22/apple-is-the-tech-stock-most-at-risk-from-trumps-policies-deutsche-bank-says.html?__source=yahoo%7Cfinance%7Cinline%7Cstory%7Cstory&par=yahoo&doc=104126298)more than any other technology company. Apple's supplier dossier lists about 350 addresses in China, and Greater China is the company's third-biggest market, behind Europe and the United States.
Cook has been credited for finding the best suppliers and talent around the world since he arrived at Apple, slashing inventory costs and halving the production time for computers, according to biographer Walter Isaacson. The feat earned him a place as one of Steve Jobs' top deputies, before being named CEO.
Returning manufacturing to the United States — likely a costly proposition for Apple — might cause jobs to be replaced by robots, Trump said. But those robots would also be American made in the Rust Belt, Trump added in the contentious meeting with the
Times.
"Right now we don't make the robots," Trump said. "We don't make anything. But we're going to, I mean, look, robotics is becoming very big and we're going to do that. We're going to have more factories. We can't lose 70,000 factories. Just can't do it. We're going to start making things."
For the full transcript, read the article at NYTimes.com. (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/23/us/politics/trump-new-york-times-interview-transcript.html?_r=0)
sve bi to bilo divno-krasno da ne kuka na taxes i regulations (mislim, u, s und a previse izregulirana na stetu koncerna? joj.). ovako import kineskog soc. sistema. nadam se da ce ovom prilikom europa (kojoj definitivno treba jedan hitler, tek bez rasizam/antisemitizam-crte, samo da potamani razuzdane kapitaliste, liberale i komuniste) otkaciti i amere i ruse, te se vratiti starom sjaju soc. trzisne privrede.
Možemo samo da sanjamo :lol: Kod nas su upravo najavili smanjenje opterećenja plata porezima i doprinosima što privrednici, jelte, traže već godinama. Naravno, fiskalni savet upozorava da će ovo da napravi rupu u budžetu, al ko zna, možda Vučić računa da će ona biti popunjena porastom mase zaposlenih kojima poslodavac sada plaća pun iznos doprinosa i poreza...
Mada, evo, Tramp ponavlja da će poništiti TPP čim sedne na tron:
Trump: I'll ditch TPP trade deal on day one of my presidency (http://arstechnica.com/business/2016/11/trump-to-ditch-tpp-trade-deal-day-one-of-presidency/)
Quote from: Meho Krljic on 24-11-2016, 08:55:09
Možemo samo da sanjamo :lol: Kod nas su upravo najavili smanjenje opterećenja plata porezima i doprinosima što privrednici, jelte, traže već godinama. Naravno, fiskalni savet upozorava da će ovo da napravi rupu u budžetu, al ko zna, možda Vučić računa da će ona biti popunjena porastom mase zaposlenih kojima poslodavac sada plaća pun iznos doprinosa i poreza...
To bi konačno bila dobra odluka naše ekonomske politike. A smanjio bih i PDV na 8%. Bez toga teško da privreda može da prodiše.
Što se tiče Amerike ako Tramp želi da smanji onolike socijalne razlike treba da umanji porez na dohodak, a pobeća porez na kapital jer su se kapitalisti zaista previše razmahali. Isplativije je držati finansijske derivate nego raditi nešto.
nula poreza i doprinosa, jos ce sutra neki klipan tipa pernar kad ga uhvate kako se sverca u javnom prijevozu gromoglasno protestirati kako se zalaze za besplatni prijevoz. :lol:
@truki: to bez cega privreda ne moze prodisati je filigran topic, a istovremeno i potpuno jednostavan. kad citam "prodisati", automatski se budi asocijacija na rupe. nekoliko lijepih rupa u vodecim strukturama privrede i vjerujem da bi prodisala. :roll:
tema derivati, e, to se je pocevs od uvodjenja kriminala na mala vrata devedestih, pa sve do flash-crasha, jako promijenilo i tvrdnja kako je isplativije drzati derivate no raditi je skroz pogresna.
odavno burza i koji god derivati vise nisu pojam kapitaliste, vec pljacke socijalnog sistema, drzava, pa sve do zadnjeg individualca koji ni ne zna natipkati pojam (toliki uticaj ima na doslovno svakog pojedinca).
ugrubo: burza je pobijedila istok. jedan od glavnih funkcija burze bilo je financiranje najnemogucijih ideja (sto bi danas u malom zvali crowfunding) koje u toj shirini nikako nije mogla iznijeti drzava. i kako je koja propala, gubitak je dijeljen na shiroku masu; dok su povremeno i prividno najnemogucije ideje imale probitak i osigurale, primjerice, tehnolosku prednost koju jedna planska privreda nikad nije mogla ostvariti.
dalje je sve to skupa poprimilo socijalni (!) karakter, t.j. odavno je svaki individualac dobio mogucnost percepcije u kojem god koncernu, pa tako i ostvarenoj dobiti. sto kroz porast vrijednosti udjela, sto kroz dividende, sto kroz razne benificirane udjele, itd.
dodatno smo dosli do trenutka kad maltene nije postojao opcinski/pokrajinski/drzavni/koji god budget, socijalna kasa, sta god, koji sredstva nisu "parkirali" u udjele, pa i derivate.
e sad, banditizam je uhvatio maha i kako rekoh, pocevs od devedesetih, dosegao takve dimenzije da cak ni bilo koje drzavne strukture ili sistemi nisu mogli imati bitniji uticaj na razvoj (zato kazem: potreban hitler ili pronarodni diktator).
jedan mali primjer iz srednjeg doba razvoja:
snimim firmu koja vanredno dobro posluje, sve savrseno izbalansirano, prespektiva perfekcija, a na burzi se trguje za manji iznos no sto imaju casha (!). also, nista ne brkam, tocno tako. sve uzeto u obzir, obaveze, rizici, prihodi, rashodi, dugovi, sta god.
trguju se po manjoj vrijednosti no sto imaju zivog casha.
kupim, pratim manipulaciju tecaja. znaci, ni da mrdne gore. sve jasno, samo me zanimalo koji "investitor" u igri i kako ce odigrati do kraja.
sad, stize dan dividende. dividendna rendita oko 14 (!) %.
uzmem i prodam ex-div. da bih isto vece dobio obavijest da se isplata dividende eto ponistava i pomice za tjedan dana. kao sto dan poslije snimio vijest o ogromnom insider tradingu (obavezna prijava), kupovina, tog dana.
znaci, prodao sam ex-div, dividendu nisam dobio. insajder, direkcija, kupio je ex-div i tjedan dana kasnije strpao u dzep moju dividendu.
zovem investor relations, nitko se ne javlja, zovem seficu ir-a na privatni mobitel, gospodja kaze nema blage veze, na odmoru je.
prijavim sve skupa nadleznim sluzbama u nizozemsku, pokrenem postupak, nista. zena koja obradjivala maltene place na telefonu koliko je to svakodnevna prevara i koliko ne moze nista uciniti, koliko ne stizu obraditi ni one daleko krupnije (koje bi mozda i smjeli dirati). ukratko, ti nadzori su tu samo za reklamu i nemaju mogucnosti sprovoditi sto na papiru, sto kroz komplikacije razne, sto kroz ocajni manjak zaposlenih.
dalje, sta ovaj primjer pokazuje, te ga preslikaj na vecinu poduzetnistva koje god velicine: direkcija u 99% slucaja ne radi u interesu dionicara ili onih koji drze koje god derivate (opet, to su uglavnom budgeti i soc. kase, te mali narod).
znaci, direkcija "otvoreno" uz "investitora" vrsi kriminal, nekad se reklo krade.
kako se dalje razvilo: "investitor" je na kraju kupio firmu, stekao vecinski udio, te si istovremeno odobrio vanrednu dividendu koja je prelazila vrijednost dionice ili onog sto je platio. ispraznio kasu, plus mu je usput ostao posao koji potpuno zdrav i donosi lijepe prihode.
sazeto, milion takvih primjera, da ne nabrajam krupnije.
sta se jos desilo: mnogim gigantima (primjer gm) je slicna manipulacija (preslikana i modificirana) dobro dosla da se rijese obaveza koje desetljecima preuzimali spram svojih zaposlenih ili obezvrijede udijele koje isti stekli radom.
sta je vrijednost gm-a? patenti. tek u drugoj liniji pogoni i sl. no to je burza slucajno zaboravila prvom prilikom.
to je bezbroj patenata bez kojih nema auto-industrije.
i vrlo je prakticno u jednom toliko ciklicnom trzistu iskoristiti nekoliko slabijih godina, uhvatiti se u kolo sa kriminalcima, otresti sve obaveze spram naroda.
mafijasku spregu izmedju "banaka", rejting-agentura, kreativnih derivata, pljacke drzava, da ne spominjam.
znaci, samo hitler i rupe u vodecim strukturama privrede.
Trumane, šta ti je zosko reko!
Sve u svemu, i meni je foliranje to oko poreza, buduci da su Ameri imali najveći rast i standard kad su imali veći porez nego danas.
Negdje mislim da sam pročitao da su za mandata Ruzvelta imali veći no Srbija
Samo treba napraviti što više bandera na terazijama
Quote from: Dybuk on 23-11-2016, 22:09:59
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koji smarac, poslusala pola. hear me, hear meeee!!!!!!!!!
U stvari je druga polovina vrh
"its a new world! "
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YRjvBFLHOQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player
zosko, ne slažem se da sirotinja raja drži veći deo finansijskih instrumenata, hartija od vrednosti itd...Ko ima veliki broj akcija taj će dobro da prihoduje od dividende, a može i da ih proda ako su tražene. Dakle, može da živi od toga a ne mora da radi ništa!
Što se tiče smanjivanja poreza tiče ja se za to zalažem pre svega u Srbiji, manji nameti ( ali ne nula kako ti karikiraš ), dovoljno manji da se isplati započinjati neku privatnu priču. I manje birokratije. Bez toga nema 'leba za običan narod.
p.s. da pojasnim - smanjivanje poreza na dohodak i povećanja na kapitalnu dobit ide u prilog običnom malom narodu, a kontra krupnim igračima. Šta je tu loše?
Bato, verovatno, no iz nekog razloga mogu da poslusam jednocasovni Burrov nastup and then some, a Kanjea ni 3 min. Jbg :lol:
Čakk se i Snoop pita na čemu je Kanje, oće i on malo!
Truki, meni je fascinantno da Meho kao glavni problem poreskog kresanja navede rupu u budžetu, a ti je zaobilaziš kao kiša oni Kragujevac Tomislavov.
E da, što se tiče rupa u budžetu one nisu posledica preniskih poreza ( jer su porezi visoki! ) već nerazvijene privrede i poreske evazije. Razvij ti druže privredu i smanji utaju poreza od strane najkrupnijih igrača pa nećeš imati problema sa budžetskim deficitom. A ovde se ide potpuno nakaradnom logikom - da mi još malo dignemo poreze da popunimo rupe, a to što će mnoge firme zato da se ugase ili da pređu u sivu zonu šta ima veze...bitno je samo da slušamo MMF.
Quote from: Truman on 24-11-2016, 17:56:10
zosko, ne slažem se da sirotinja raja drži veći deo finansijskih instrumenata, hartija od vrednosti itd...Ko ima veliki broj akcija taj će dobro da prihoduje od dividende, a može i da ih proda ako su tražene. Dakle, može da živi od toga a ne mora da radi ništa!
Što se tiče smanjivanja poreza tiče ja se za to zalažem pre svega u Srbiji, manji nameti ( ali ne nula kako ti karikiraš ), dovoljno manji da se isplati započinjati neku privatnu priču. I manje birokratije. Bez toga nema 'leba za običan narod.
p.s. da pojasnim - smanjivanje poreza na dohodak i povećanja na kapitalnu dobit ide u prilog običnom malom narodu, a kontra krupnim igračima. Šta je tu loše?
mali narod drzi (drzao, da ne kompliciram) najveci dio financijskih "proizvoda", na koji god nacin. tko bi drugi?
samo sto vecina malog naroda toga nije ni svjesna. tek kad krene kuknjava kako moramo zaduziti deset buducih generacija da bi spasili banke, jer ce nam inace sve sto desetljecima stvarali kolabirati, neki naslute.
price o burzijancu-kapitalisti su za komuniste svijesti zarobljene u doba staljina i intelektualnog kapaciteta pticice na grani.
smanjenja poreza (raznih) su relativna stvar, no i to se za firmu svodi na jednostavno: ne mozes poslovati uz realan porez, ne razumijes socijalnu obavezu koju imas, nisi konkurentan, kazes? nema veze, netko drugi ce moci. zelis na moje trziste dovuci proizvod iz vukojebine gdje ti je porez prihvatljiviji i posao isplativiji? e pa sad ces vidjeti da ti nije isplativije.
porez na kapitalnu dobit: joj. pa i to placa uglavnom mali narod. nitko drugi.
eno, i pernar i zivi zid na drzavnoj sisi zele pomoci malom narodu kroz smanjenje poreza na osobni dohodak, povecanja na kapitalnu dobit... ali pernar i zivi zid ne razumiju o cemu pricaju. nemaju blage veze. imaju potpuno pogresnu sliku stanja, svijeta koji ih okruzuje, u biti ne znam imaju li bilo kakav dodir sa realnoscu osim cinjenice da primaju placu.
ali hoce besplatni javni prijevoz.
a sta je uopce taj namet na osobni dohodak? od cega se sastoji? i sad ce mi netko prodati pricu da moram smanjiti namete (citaj, doprinos socijalnom sistemu, zdravstvu, mirovinskom...) jer on eto nije konkurentan (ne zaboravimo da se klanjamo bogu profitu, sto nadrealna velicina)? pa znam ja jos nekoliko jednostavnih mogucnosti kako te uciniti konkurentinim.
no da se vratimo na cisti porez na prihod zaposlenika koji spominjas: pa vidi, ugrubo, smanjis porez, bolnica nema za kupovinu ct-aparata. ti imas u dzepu mjesecno 500 dinara vise, ali kad ti zatreba ct, treba ti 2 tisuce eura za put do, smjestaj i racun za ct u njemackoj. pa ustedi.
plus, ne zaboravi da ce ti zbog rupe na cesti usput pri putu otici amortizer, te moras platiti popravak.
" ne mozes poslovati uz realan porez, ne razumijes socijalnu obavezu koju imas, nisi konkurentan, kazes? nema veze, netko drugi ce moci."
Ne, neće moći. Zato je bivša Juga i u kurcu. :)
Što se tiče tvog poslednjeg pasusa primer ti je loš jer smatraš da viši porezi donose više poreske prihode što je greška ( objasnio u prethodnoj poruci ) i to posebno greška za bedne zemlje kao što je Srbija. U Nemačkoj je porez koliko znam visok, ali vi puno i izvozite pa i kad se odbije porez ostane vam i firme mogu da posluju. U Srbiji to ne ide tako. Dobrodošao u realnost! ;)
Nikolićeva primjedba Raduloviću još 2012: sječa propisa i poreza nije smanjila sivu zonu u Rumuniji, Bugarskoj, Mađarskoj.
Dakle, ono što se smanjenim porezima vjerovatnije može desiti je nepopunjavanje budžeta, jer siva zona ostaje siva.
Siva zona ne ostaje siva ako poreske službe rade svoj posao a smanjenje poreza i seča propisa dovodi do razvoja preduzetništva, što više jedinica koje plaćaju porez veći i poreski prihodi, a da ne pričam o povećanju zaposlenosti. Rumunija, Bugarska i Mađarska su zemlje čiji grafikoni idu nabolje, naši stagniraju. Ugledajmo se na njih!
Onda poreske službe neka prvo počnu da rade svoj posao, pa kad ga urade onda neka smanjuju poreze.
Prisjetih se priče o jednoj firmi u Srbiji. Lik zaposli osobu, popuni obrazac, riješi a de je pečat zavrzlamu... Onda naredne nedjelje popuni obrazac o završetku radnog odnosa i opet mu pečatiraju. Kad dođe inspekcija on im da prvi obrazac, a radnike plaća na ruke
Sve u svemu, zaebaše Vučića
Quote from: Truman on 24-11-2016, 19:39:09
" ne mozes poslovati uz realan porez, ne razumijes socijalnu obavezu koju imas, nisi konkurentan, kazes? nema veze, netko drugi ce moci."
Ne, neće moći. Zato je bivša Juga i u kurcu. :)
Što se tiče tvog poslednjeg pasusa primer ti je loš jer smatraš da viši porezi donose više poreske prihode što je greška ( objasnio u prethodnoj poruci ) i to posebno greška za bedne zemlje kao što je Srbija. U Nemačkoj je porez koliko znam visok, ali vi puno i izvozite pa i kad se odbije porez ostane vam i firme mogu da posluju. U Srbiji to ne ide tako. Dobrodošao u realnost! ;)
ali ne. nigdje pausalno ne tvrdim kako visi porezi donose vise prihode. to bi bila krajnje jednostavna relacija.
kroz moje pisanje proteze se pojam realnog poreza. realnog spram potreba drustva, socijalnog uredjenja.
naglasak je na potrebi drustva, sve uz karikaturu o javnom prijevozu koji bi eto trebao biti besplatan ili nam ga takvog podariti nebo.
sazeto: radi se o ispravnom fokusu i uskladjenosti, ne pisem u apsolutnom.
fokus: prva linija socijalno, druga profit.
uskladjenost: realan porez, realni nameti. realni spram fokusa (koji eto nije najveci moguci profit).
opet, smanjis porez na prihode (radni odnos), radniku ostaje vise. ok.
smanjis porez privredniku, konkurentniji je, raste, stvara radna mjesta. ok.
lijepa je to teorija.
ali, zivimo u zanimljivim vremenima gdje svijest o socijalnoj odgovornosti, posebno u krugovima koji na potezu, kvazi ne postoji.
pa tako ni "u malom".
mlad i zdrav radnik u poletu, pun energije, hoce 500 dinara vise, ne zanima njega netko slabiji, bolestan, stariji, nemocan.
dok privatnik tezi idealu robovlasnickog odnosa.
svi se slazu da ce imati vise ako smanjimo porez, naravno, razumijem. plus, podici isti nekom imaginarnom burzijanskom-kapitalisti, ojha, gdje ces pravednijeg svijeta.
znaci, jedan do vece kupovne moci, drugi do fenomenalnih uvjeta poslovanja, para za ulaganje i shirenje, namirivanje sve vece potraznje koliko hoces.
i sve je to jedna lijepa bajka za naivne.
ali zato imamo poreze, namete, doprinose koji u fokusu moraju imati socijalno, ne profit. kad se ta svijest vec zagubila. ne moze individualno 500 dinara vise, pa nemocnom kako bog da, ne moze manji namet pa ces ti kreirati tisucu dodatnih radnih mjesta.
ne moze jer si ti sebicnjakovic i ne zanimaju te potrebe nemocnog, a ti lazov koji ce pronaci novi problem nad kojim bi kukao, vjecno "na rubu bankrota", profit prebaciti u san marino, ne radna mjesta.
Kad ćeš da shvatiš, zosko, da u Njemačkoj ekonomija postoji zbog društva a u Srbiji društvo postoji zbog ekonomije?
Quote from: Pizzobatto on 24-11-2016, 18:06:20
Truki, meni je fascinantno da Meho kao glavni problem poreskog kresanja navede rupu u budžetu, a ti je zaobilaziš kao kiša oni Kragujevac Tomislavov.
Samo navodim šta kaže fiskalni savet. Inače u jednoj solidno uspešnoj eks-Ju privredi kao što je Slovenija, opterećenje zarada porezima i doprinosima je još veće nego u Srbiji. Gou figjr.
Moja percepcija je ovde možda najviše filozofskog tipa: radi fiskalne stabilnosti, smanjenja budžetskog deficita i javnog duga srezao si penzije a sada ćeš da smanjuješ poreze i doprinose da bi podstakao privrednike da... budu socijalno odgovorniji? Mislim, ono što je pozitivno je svakako lagano uviđanje da istorijski posmatrano samo domaće investicije mogu da donesu toliko željeni stabilni privredni rast,da je zamajavanje sa stranim investicijama ipak zamajavanje, ali videćemo koliko će ovo da na srednje staze napravi probleme budžetu i fondovima (zdravstvenog, socijalnog i penzionog osiguranja) koji su, ipak da ne zaboravimo, sigurnosna mreža za najranjivije stanovništvo.
@bato: bez brige, i u njemackoj se dugovi banaka socijaliziraju, profit privatizira. :lol:
nijemci tek pamte i neka druga vremena, narodu odgovorne politicare i privrednike, ne ove danasnje klaune.
zosko, šta je to realni porez koji odgovara potrebama društva? Ne bih rekao da tako nešto može matematički da se izračuna.
Takođe, primer sa onemoćalim starcem ti je potpuno pogrešan, a već sam u više navrata objasnio zašto - niži porez > više firmi > veći poreski prihodi > više para za socijalu. Dakle, kad ekonomija Srbije bude razvijenija biće više para i za penzionere, a ne da držimo visoke poreze i doprinose da bi penzioneri imali jer i pored tih visokih poreza i doprinosa nemaju!
Što se tiče Slovenije nju bih više svrstao u koš sa Nemačkom. Može im se da imaju visoke namete kad su razvijeni! To je luksuz koji sebi mogu da priušte. Da su siromašni i nerazvijeni kao Srbija morali bi da razmišljaju kako da pokrenu privredu, a visoki nameti bi im bili samo kočnica.
Po mom mišljenju vaša logika na primeru zemalja kao što je Srbija je nakaradna. Čitajte malo intervjue Milorada Zeca - naprosto nema više šta da se zahvata kutlačom. Kao smo socijalna država, a penzioneri kopaju po kontejneru i nezaposleni nemaju ili imaju neku smešnu socijalnu pomoć od koje ne može da se preživi ni deset dana. Izem ti takve socijalne države, bolje onda da uvedemo američki sistem, barem će sveukupno biti više para.
To je suludo, prvo mora ekonomija da se razvije da bi imalo odakle da se zahvata.
laicki rabimo pojam poreza i u tom kontekstu ni ne zelim matematicki izracunavati realan postotak, kojeg god.
sto mi je na udaru: tvrdnja da relativno manji porezi, smanjenje poreza, pruza poticaj za ulaganja, konacno podupire socijalni sistem.
to je skolska retorika koja uglavnom nema veze sa praksom.
sve sto osigurava drustveno dobro, cini socijalni sistem, danas mora ici uz prisilu, jer ne postoji socijalna odgovornost.
Brate Trumane bre, kako god okreneš spominješ samo tačku a i tačku b, a ne spominješ putanju do b.
U trenutku dok skrešeš poreze do trenutka dok se pozitivni rezultati toga zapate u privredi, proći će godine
Uopšte ne uzimaš to u obzir, već automatski pretpostavljaš da će skresani porezi u januaru riješiti finansijske probleme u februaru
Jer ako ne riješe, imaš Vašington, sa visokom smrtnošću beba, a penzionere možda uopšte ne budeš imao. Imaš haos, ukratko.
Na stranu to da u stvari država treba da odigra i ulogu u pogledu inovacija značajnih za privredu, a ne samo budžetskog krpljenja.
Razlika između Njemačke s niskim porezima i Srbije je što je u Njemačkoj to zamah preduzetništva u high techu a u Srbiji je to zamah preduzetništva na tržištu čarapa i krompira.
U stvari mi treba da imamo nevjerovatno razvojno nabudženu državu, a ne da dozvolimo zamah deltroterizma, koje je pogubno na duge staze
Tramp pozvao Orbana u Vašington.
Liberali, i raznorazni ljubitelji establišmenta i političke korektnosti ima da pošize :!:
http://www.b92.net/info/vesti/index.php?yyyy=2016&mm=11&dd=25&nav_category=78&nav_id=1203146
For some in middle class, Trump plan would mean tax increase (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/middle-class-trump-plan-mean-tax-increase-153628510--finance.html)
A ima i relativno trezven osvrt:
Trump and the white power problem (https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-and-the-white-power-problem-100021462.html)
Pa još:
Trump to scrap Nasa climate research in crackdown on 'politicized science' (https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/nov/22/nasa-earth-donald-trump-eliminate-climate-change-research)
I da bismo se razgalili: Boris Dežulović:
Donald Trump Tito (http://www.portalnovosti.com/donald-trump-tito)
Ugly, nema više global warminga!
Tramp ukinuo global warming?! Jeeeeeee!!!
Trump issues stunning, baseless claim that 'millions' voted illegally (https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-issues-stunning-claim-that-millions-voted-illegally-205918708.html)
President-elect Donald Trump, who defeated Hillary Clinton by winning the Electoral College in the election earlier this month, claimed Sunday that he would've beaten her in the popular vote too if not for "the millions of people who voted illegally."
It's remarkable and unprecedented for a victorious presidential candidate to claim widespread voter fraud. There is no evidence (http://www.snopes.com/three-million-votes-in-presidential-election-cast-by-illegal-aliens/) to indicate that there was a significant number of people, let alone millions, who voted illegally in the election on Nov. 8.
Trump clinched his stunning victory over Clinton by amassing more than the 270 electoral votes needed to win. He won 290 to Clinton's 232, and is ahead in Michigan, though the contest for its 16 electoral votes is still too close to call. But Clinton is on track to win the national popular vote by around 2.5 million, a loss that Trump appears to find hard to swallow.
"In addition to winning the Electoral College in a landslide, I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally," Trump tweeted Sunday afternoon.
In addition to winning the Electoral College in a landslide, I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump)
November 27, 2016 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/802972944532209664)
In the weeks leading up to Election Day, Trump repeatedly warned that the election would be "rigged" against him, claiming there would be widespread voter fraud.
"Of course there is large scale voter fraud happening on and before election day," Trump tweeted on Oct. 17. "Why do Republican leaders deny what is going on? So naive!"
But while there have been isolated cases of voter fraud in the United States, the Associated Press reported the same day (http://bigstory.ap.org/article/76ed1750d47e4cefafe7a7b1f289a32b/amid-talk-rigged-election-experts-say-fraud-rare), "There is no evidence of it being a widespread problem."
A Loyola Law School professor's study cited by the AP found just "31 instances involving allegations of voter impersonation out of 1 billion votes cast in U.S. elections between 2000 and 2014." Another study by the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University Law School "found many reports of people voting twice or ballots being cast on behalf of dead people were largely the result of clerical errors that suggested wrongdoing when none had occurred."
"Voter fraud is so incredibly rare that it has no impact on the integrity of our elections," Wendy Weiser, head of the democracy program at the Brennan Center, told the AP. "You are more likely to be struck by lightning, more likely to see a UFO, than to be a victim of voter fraud."
Related: Trump rails against Clinton for joining election recount (https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-rails-against-clinton-for-engaging-recount-process-151918278.html)Trump's revival of the voter fraud claim comes amid a campaign initiated by Green Party nominee Jill Stein to recount the votes in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. On Saturday, Clinton campaign general counsel Marc Elias said that while his team "had not uncovered any actionable evidence of hacking or outside attempts to alter the voting technology," they would participate in the Stein-led recount in Wisconsin as well as recounts in Pennsylvania and Michigan if Stein pursues them.
Early Sunday, Trump blasted Clinton for supporting the recount effort.
"Hillary Clinton conceded the election when she called me just prior to the victory speech and after the results were in," Trump wrote in the first of a series of tweets he posted early Sunday morning. "Nothing will change."
Hillary Clinton conceded the election when she called me just prior to the victory speech and after the results were in. Nothing will change
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump)
November 27, 2016 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/802849330176659456)
Stein's team has raised more than $5 million to pay for the recounts in the three battleground states. In Michigan, Trump leads Clinton by 10,704 votes, according to the state's yet-to-be-certified count. In Wisconsin, Trump defeated Clinton by 22,525 votes. In Pennsylvania, he beat her by about 68,000 votes. Clinton would have to win recounts in all three states to overturn the outcome of the Electoral College, but experts say there is virtually no chance of Stein's campaign overturning even one.
Nonetheless, the recount effort has amplified tensions that were already high because of Clinton's overall victory in the popular vote.
"No, nothing will change," The Nation's Joan Walsh replied to one of Trump's tweets. "You lost the popular vote by 2.5 million. you'll have to live with that."
@realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump) no, nothing will change. you lost the popular vote by 2.5 million. you'll have to live with that.
— Joan Walsh (@joanwalsh) November 27, 2016 (https://twitter.com/joanwalsh/status/802860735290167296)
In 2012, Trump called the U.S. electoral-vote system a "disaster for democracy." And in his first sit-down interview after the election, the real estate mogul told CBS News' "60 Minutes" that his opinion hadn't changed.
"I would rather see it where you went with simple votes," Trump said. "You know, you get 100 million votes, and somebody else gets 90 million votes, and you win."
But in a pair of subsequent tweets (https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-calls-electoral-college-genius-after-labeling-it-a-disaster-for-democracy-141031172.html), Trump declared that the Electoral College "is actually genius" because it empowers smaller states. (He then reversed himself again last week in a New York Times interview (https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-flip-flops-6-times-in-1-hour-nyt-interview-203417722.html), in which he said he'd "rather do the popular vote," and that he was "never a fan of the Electoral College.")
Trump also claimed on Twitter that he would have "won even bigger and more easily" if the U.S. presidency were determined by the national popular vote as opposed to the Electoral College.
He reiterated that refrain Sunday afternoon.
It would have been much easier for me to win the so-called popular vote than the Electoral College in that I would only campaign in 3 or 4–
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump)
November 27, 2016 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/802973848022847489)
states instead of the 15 states that I visited. I would have won even more easily and convincingly (but smaller states are forgotten)!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump)
November 27, 2016 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/802975667197386752)
"It would have been much easier for me to win the so-called popular vote than the Electoral College in that I would only campaign in 3 or 4 states instead of the 15 states that I visited," Trump tweeted. "I would have won even more easily and convincingly (but smaller states are forgotten)!"
counterpunch don't think so
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/10/26/dear-liberals-trump-is-right/
Nije Tramp jedini koji je dobio posao na lepe oči..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVNmUgOGTPY
Why a weekend of raging Trump tweets should give us pause (https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/8461d78c-ffa6-3752-873a-4a1e02cfb0e5/why-a-weekend-of-raging-trump.html)
Quote
Donald Trump (http://www.cnbc.com/donald-trump/?__source=yahoo%7Cfinance%7Cinline%7Cstory%7Cstory&par=yahoo&doc=104132397) closed out the Thanksgiving holiday weekend by tweeting an outrageous lie about the 2016 election.
"In addition to winning the Electoral College in a landslide, I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally," the president-elect tweeted on Sunday.
He went on to directly target states he lost: "Serious voter fraud in Virginia, New Hampshire and California — so why isn't the media reporting on this? Serious bias — big problem!"
To begin with the obvious: There is no evidence whatsoever that any of this happened. The claim of millions voting illegally appears to have come from a "story" published by conspiracy website Infowars, which has also promulgated claims that the Sandy Hook massacre was faked and Hillary Clinton is a "demon from hell."
Serious election observers quickly condemned Trump, pointing out that instances of noncitizens voting are vanishingly rare. "We know historically that this almost never happens," David Becker, executive director of the Center for Election Innovation & Research, told Politico (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/trump-illegal-voting-clinton-231860). "You're more likely to get eaten by a shark that simultaneously gets hit by lightning than to find a noncitizen voting."
One common theory about Trump's unhinged tweets is that they are calculated to draw attention away from more serious and more damaging stories. In this case, the election tweets followed a lengthy investigation by The New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/26/us/politics/donald-trump-international-business.html?_r=1) into Trump's sprawling global business empire and how his own personal financial interests could shade his decisions as president. Trump has already shown no real desire to separate himself from his businesses — beyond saying his children will be in charge — and argued that it's legally impossible for the president to have a conflict of interest.
It's possible the distraction theory could have some merit. But the simpler answer is probably the correct one. Trump simply cannot stand the fact that while he won a narrow Electoral College majority, he now trails Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton by nearly 2 million votes (http://www.cnn.com/election/results/president). Trump is also reportedly enraged by Green Party nominee Jill Stein's efforts to push a recount in Wisconsin, where he won by just 27,257 votes. Stein, who is also pushing for recounts in Michigan and Pennsylvania, won 30,000 votes in Wisconsin. So her recount effort there seems aimed at proving she did not cost Clinton the state rather than altering the actual result.
The Hillary Clinton campaign has not pushed the recount effort but said it would participate to ensure fairness. None of the recount efforts are likely to alter the result. Trump is going to be president.
But his raging tweets show just how thin his skin really is and how unlikely he will be as president to smoothly handle any insults or criticism from foreign leaders or opponents on Capitol Hill.
The Sunday tweet storm also helped obscure a disturbing story that broke just before Thanksgiving reporting that Trump is turning away daily briefings (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-turning-away-intelligence-briefers-since-election-win/2016/11/23/5cc643c4-b1ae-11e6-be1c-8cec35b1ad25_story.html) from national security officials. Trump spokeswoman Kellyanne Conway explained that Trump is getting intelligence information from other sources but declined to elaborate on who those sources might be.
And Trump himself is not talking to the press. He hasn't held a news conference in four months, letting his transition process devolve into a series of leaks and extraordinarily public fights.
Conway took the unprecedented step on Sunday of publicly urging her boss not to pick Romney for secretary of state, saying Trump's supporters "feel betrayed" (http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/27/politics/conway-trump-romney-betrayed/) by consideration of the 2012 nominee, a highly respected figure in the GOP establishment.
Now Trump is reportedly meeting with retired general David Petraeus on Monday to discuss the secretary of state job. Petraeus resigned in disgrace from the CIA in 2012 after acknowledging that he shared classified information with Paula Broadwell during an extra-marital affair. Petraeus agreed to plead to a misdemeanor charge of unauthorized possession of classified information.
A Petraeus pick would come after Trump spent months on the campaign trail hammering Clinton for using a personal email account during her tenure as secretary of state, arguing that it compromised classified information. Trump, after campaigning as a champion of forgotten blue collar voters in the Rust Belt, is also stocking his administration with millionaires and billionaires (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/donald-trump-cabinet-billionaires-millionaires-231831).
All of this should give pause to anyone — including investors sending stocks to new highs — regarding whether Trump will be able to run a successful administration that lowers taxes, streamlines regulations, cuts great trade deals and sparks faster economic growth.
Trump's transition is a complete mess and there is no reason to assume his White House will be any different.— Ben White is Politico's chief economic correspondent and a CNBC contributor. He also authors the daily tip sheet Politico Morning Money [politico.com/morningmoney (http://politico.com/morningmoney)]. Follow him on Twitter @morningmoneyben (https://twitter.com/morningmoneyben).
Izbori su prošli. Možda je vreme za novu temu, "Trump"? Novinar Gardijana ukazuje na neke stvari:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/30/donald-trump-george-monbiot-misinformation
Nazovimo temu Tramp Alef, pošto se u Trampu vidi čitav svijet!
Ovog što Mac linkuje smo svi, mislim svesni, ali lepo je kad se ovako sistematizuje.
Enciklopedija dramatika nas nikada nije izneverila
https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Trump
Prefinjen enciklopedijski entri. Tu tambs ap!
Nisam još ni počeo da čitam a izgleda bogovski
Odo dotvorim topik
Quote from: tomat on 03-12-2016, 12:09:13
Enciklopedija dramatika nas nikada nije izneverila
https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Trump
Skrolovati na dole i pogledati Melanijinu sliku iz mladosti.
Evo primer Trampove pacerske politike>http://www.blic.rs/vesti/svet/tramp-je-upravo-napravio-svoju-dosad-najvecu-gresku/zkrn94h
Čak je na tviteru napisao nešto što ne priliči američkom predsedniku. Nije da me je briga što je Ameriku da nastavi da uvaljuje u nevolje, samo konstatujem da čovek nije za taj posao.
Čoek je čitavu kampanju proveo obećavajući kvarenje odnosa s Kinom, šta je sad čudno
Elem, Slate se trudi da dokaže da radnička klasa ipak nije glasala za Trampa
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/12/the_myth_of_the_rust_belt_revolt.html
Twitter as arena for the authentic outsider: exploring the social media campaigns of Trump and Clinton in the 2016 US presidential election
http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0267323116682802#abstract
DHS finally reveals the states Russia hacked during the elections (https://www.engadget.com/2017/09/23/homeland-security-russia-hacking-elections/)
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According to the investigation, the attackers didn't tamper with voting machines.
State officials finally know if they serve one of the 21 states Russia tried to hack during the 2016 Presidential elections. Homeland Security and other agencies (https://www.engadget.com/2016/08/29/foreign-hack-state-voting-registration-fbi/) found out in 2016 that Russian government hackers tried to get into (https://www.engadget.com/2017/07/17/south-carolina-150-000-election-day-hacking-attempts/) some states' voting registration systems, but it took a year for the secretaries of state to convince the DHS to disclose its findings. The agency has only decided to tell (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/dhs-tells-states-about-russian-hacking-during-2016-election/2017/09/22/fd263a2c-9fe2-11e7-8ea1-ed975285475e_story.html?utm_term=.f0273528b93a) authorities if they were targeted during the elections on Friday, because it "would help [them] make security decisions" way before the 2018 midterm elections begin. Senator Mark R. Warner, vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, said: "Its unacceptable that it took almost a year after the election to notify states that their elections systems were targeted, but I'm relieved that DHS has acted upon our numerous requests and is finally informing the top elections officials in all 21 affected states that Russian hackers tried to breach their systems in the run up to the 2016 election." The states affected by the hacking attempts include Alabama, Colorado, Connecticut, Iowa, Maryland, Minnesota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Wisconsin and Washington.
According to Homeland Security, the attackers only got into the systems of a handful of states despite targeting almost two dozen. In some cases, like in Illinois, the attackers altered (https://www.engadget.com/2017/06/22/hackers-stole-and-altered-voting-records/) voters' records and got away with their sensitive details, but investigators didn't find any evidence that they tampered with actual voting machines. Office of Intelligence and Analysis Cyber Division acting director Samuel Liles once said, however, that the attackers might not have altered vote counts, because their real purpose was to look for vulnerabilities to exploit.
i dalje Russian GOVERNMENT hackers... a ono neki klinci traže lične podatke da bi kupovali s neta
Facebook will share Russian-bought election interference ads with congress tomorrow (https://techcrunch.com/2017/10/01/facebook-russian-ads/)