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Da ne pravimo gužvu na Windows 8 temi.

Za početak:
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2015/08/27/windows-10-spyware/ (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2015/08/27/windows-10-spyware/)

Windows 10 is Microsoft's best operating system in a quite a while, and possibly ever, despite a few foibles (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2015/07/29/windows-10-review/). Trouble is that it really, really wants (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2015/07/30/windows-10-privacy-settings/) to get mixed up in all your business and then tell the highest bidders all about it – which may or may not be why an upgrade to it from Windows 7 or 8 is currently free. Most of the OS's tracking 'features' can be turned off, but it's a bit of a hassle and Windows 10 is far from transparent about what it all does. There is now a quicker method of raising your blast shields, if you so wish.

There are various methods of doing this kicking around by now, but this one was quick and easy enough that I'm very comfortable recommending it here. It's a 549KB freeware tool called 'Ultimate Windows Tweaker 4.0 (http://www.thewindowsclub.com/ultimate-windows-tweaker-4-windows-10)', developed by one Paras Sidhu for TheWindowsClub.com (http://www.thewindowsclub.com/), and whose primary purpose is simpler access to assorted Windows settings and tools which are otherwise scattered far and wide across the OS, or even hidden entirely. Crucially, it also includes a Privacy tab

Ako neko proba win 10 na slabijoj masini iz ere win -a 7 neka javi kako radi.

moj laptop je iz ere Win7, ali ne znam da li bi se mogao okarakterisati kao slabija mašina. ima i5 procesor (2 jezgra, 4 treda), 4BG rama, 500MB diska, i neku ATI grafiku, da me ubiješ ne mogu sada da se setim koju.

bio instaliran Win7, pa sam ga apgrejdovao na Win10, i to nije bila čista instalacija nego kao apdejt, za sada ne primećujem neke poteškoće u radu, radi kao i kada je terao Win7.

Poželjno je više od 4GB RAMa. I moj laptop ima toliko, i to radi, ali žao mi ga, kako se grca mukica.

Nemam vise od 4gb a i5 je za mog c2d intela Jusein Bolt. Necu ni da se cimam dok ne apgrejdujem, hvala.

Here's How To Keep Microsoft's Nose Out Of Your Personal Data In Windows 10 (http://hothardware.com/news/heres-how-to-keep-microsofts-nose-out-of-your-personal-data-in-windows-10)

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Microsoft is downloading Windows 10 to your machine 'just in case' (http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2425381/microsoft-is-downloading-windows-10-to-your-machine-just-in-case)

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MICROSOFT HAS CONFIRMED that Windows 10 (http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2391443/windows-10-free-upgrade-brings-with-it-cortana-and-universal-apps) is being downloaded to computers whether or not users have opted in.
An INQUIRER reader pointed out to us that, despite not having 'reserved' a copy of Windows 10, he had found that the ~BT folder, which has been the home of images of the new operating system since before rollout began, had appeared on his system. He had no plans to upgrade and had not put in a reservation request.
He told us: "The symptoms are repeated failed 'Upgrade to Windows 10' in the WU update history and a huge 3.5GB to 6GB hidden folder labelled '$Windows.~BT'. I thought Microsoft [said] this 'upgrade' was optional. If so, why is it being pushed out to so many computers where it wasn't reserved, and why does it try to install over and over again?
"I know of two instances where people on metered connections went over their data cap for August because of this unwanted download. My own internet (slow DSL) was crawling for a week or so until I discovered this problem. In fact, that's what led me to it. Not only does it download, it tries to install every time the computer is booted."
We asked Microsoft to comment on whether it was downloading Windows 10 (http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/review/2419870/windows-10-review) anyway as the company rushes to build on the 75 million machines with the new OS installed in its first month, putting it in fourth place behind Window 7, 8.1 and the erstwhile XP.
Microsoft told us: "For individuals who have chosen to receive automatic updates through Windows Update, we help upgradable devices get ready for Windows 10 by downloading the files they'll need if they decide to upgrade.
"When the upgrade is ready, the customer will be prompted to install Windows 10 on the device."
In other words, if you are patching via Patch Tuesday (http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2425231/microsoft-patch-tuesday-offers-clues-to-windows-10-updates), as you should of course be, then you are going to get a big hefty folder on your hard drive ready so you can update to Windows 10 on demand.
Now, far be it from The INQUIRER to point fingers, but isn't this a bit presumptuous on Microsoft's part? We know it's keen to get everyone on Windows 10 as quickly as possible but this is not a small background patch - it's a whopping huge operating system image.
For someone using a 2-in-1 with 32GB of flash memory, that's a hefty chunk of their storage being clogged up with an OS that they might not want yet, if at all.
Whether you believe it's to avoid fragmentation or to spy on you depends on how much pot you smoked in college, but it now appears to have gone from 'over keen' to 'needy' and you have to wonder why and whether it's going to blow up in the company's face.
It should be enough of a clue that over 10 percent of Windows machines are still on XP and Vista, while there's over 40 percent more of the market on 7 than on 8, to be able to tell that people don't like to assume.
It's like the U2 iTunes debacle again (http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2364453/apple-s-iphone-6-launch-is-blighted-by-a-free-u2-album). After that, Bono said: "Oops ... I'm sorry about that. I had this beautiful idea ... might have got carried away with ourselves. Artists are prone to that thing.
"A drop of megalomania, a touch of generosity, a dash of self-promotion, and deep fear that these songs that we poured our life into over the last few years mightn't be heard. There's a lot of noise out there. I guess we got a little noisy ourselves to get through it."
Satya Nadella take note: you may have to answer to similar complaints. If any other readers have found that this has happened to them, please get in touch via Disqus or the email link.

 

Heh, Majkrosoft će učiniti sve da vas ubede da je Windows najuniverzalniji operativni sistem na svetu, kako za kućne tako i za profesionalne potrebe, od malih firmi sa dve-tri mašine pa do data centara za, recimo, šta ja znam, klaud kompjuting... Osim ako to nisu njihovi data-centri  :lol: :lol:

Microsoft has developed its own Linux. Repeat. Microsoft has developed its own Linux (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/18/microsoft_has_developed_its_own_linux_repeat_microsoft_has_developed_its_own_linux/)

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Sitting down? Nothing in your mouth?
Microsoft has developed its own Linux distribution. And Azure runs it to do networking.
Redmond's revealed that it's built something called Azure Cloud Switch (ACS), describing (http://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/blog/microsoft-showcases-the-azure-cloud-switch-acs/) it as "a cross-platform modular operating system for data center networking built on Linux" and "our foray into building our own software for running network devices like switches."
Kamala Subramanian, Redmond's principal architect for Azure Networking, writes that: "At Microsoft, we believe there are many excellent switch hardware platforms available on the market, with healthy competition between many vendors driving innovation, speed increases, and cost reductions."
(Translation: Microsoft partners, we mean you no harm.)
"However, what the cloud and enterprise networks find challenging is integrating the radically different software running on each different type of switch into a cloud-wide network management platform. Ideally, we would like all the benefits of the features we have implemented and the bugs we have fixed to stay with us, even as we ride the tide of newer switch hardware innovation."
(Translation: Software-defined networking (SDN) is a very fine idea.)
But it appears Redmond couldn't find SDN code to fits its particular needs, as it says ACS "... focuses on feature development based on Microsoft priorities" and "allows us to debug, fix, and test software bugs much faster. It also allows us the flexibility to scale down the software and develop features that are required for our datacenter and our networking needs."
ACS is designed to use the Switch Abstraction Interface (SAI), an OpenCompute effort that offers an API to program ASICs inside network devices.
Microsoft's post revealing ACS says a fair bit about its features, but doesn't explain the relationship between Microsoft and Linux. Perhaps the complexity of the world's switching ecosystem was the reason: Redmond says it has demonstrated ACS across with "four ASIC vendors (Mellanox, Broadcom, Cavium, and the Barefoot software switch), six implementations of SAI (Broadcom, Dell, Mellanox, Cavium, Barefoot, and Metaswitch), and three applications stacks (Microsoft, Dell, and Metaswitch)."
Subramaniam's post ends by letting us know: "We're talking about ACS publicly as we believe this approach of disaggregating the switch software from the switch hardware will continue to be a growing trend in the networking industry and we would like to contribute our insights and experiences of this journey starting here."
That experience clearly includes Linux, not Windows, as the path to SDN.
Satya Nadella's Microsoft is a very different animal, unafraid to use any technology if it gets the job done. But Microsoft building a Linux? Wow. Just wow. ®
 

Петроније, десетка иде и на слабијим машинама. Оне које су радиле са 7-8, без проблема ће радити и са 10. Сви процесори са два и више језгара са лакоћом погоне 10, мада то без великог напора раде и они бржи са једним језгром, а довољно је чак и 1 Гб РАМ меморије, мада са 2 ради комотно, а са 4 и више лети. Мислим, лети онолико колико то Виндовси могу да лете.
Ко инсталише 10 мора да се суочи са сумњом да је НАЈВЕРОВАТНИЈЕ способна да препозна пиратски софтвер. Више пута сам проверавао и дошао до закључка да на мом компјутеру нешто заблокира рад пиратског Корела 17 кад је на 10, а кад га вратим на 7 ради без проблема. С обзиром да направим имиџ копију система кад га инсталишем у фулу, са свим програмима и играма, није ми тешко да мењам оперативни систем. Тренутно имам имиџ за 7 и за 10, па сам последњих дана више пута стављао један па други и сваки пут Корел заблокира на 10. Закључио сам да је то оно о чему се све отвореније шушка по форумима.
Све остало ради како треба на 10, за сада, видећу шта ће се збивати у будућности. Мада, моја препорука за све кориснике 7 да не прелазе на 10 док не буду морали, тј док не изађу нове верзије старих програма које ће условљавати да на машини буде 10 - код 10 нема напретка у олакшаном коришћењу, нема побољшања у брзини, Кортана је дудук ког сам искључио после десетак минута експериментисања, а једино што ми се допада је много мање циганског шаренила него код претходних Виндовса. Ова препорука не мора бити обавезно и исправна - можда ће неко доћи до закључка да је 10 откровење у односу на све досадашње Виндовсе. Све је препуштено искуству и личним афинитетима.
Савет за оне који набаце 10 - постоји мали програм, именом Do Not Spy 10, бесплатан је и има га около на мрежи, ког препоручујем за инсталацију, јер може да искључи мноштво опција из 10 које отворено служе за праћење активности, приватности и свега осталог што се ради на компј.

Појавило се још програма, који имају намену да спрече шпијунирање нас од стране 10.

OOSU10
Disable Win Tracking

Има их на мрежи. Ја сам покренуо ова два и онај претходни који сам препоручио (Do Not Spy 10), дакле сва три редом и поискључивао све што се може уз њихову помоћ искључити. 10 и даље ради без икаквих проблема. Чак сам инсталисао и одиграо комплетну (са варањем тј. тренером) Кал оф дјути адванс варфер. Није било сметњи. Што значи да ова три програма изгледа раде посао и спречавају 10 да нас шпијунира, ако он то уопште и ради. Још ћу кад нађем времена инсталисати Корел 17, па ако и он буде радио као што ради на 7, онда ће то дефинитивно бити доказ да 10 може препознати пиратерију, али и да се то препознавање може спречити.
Да додам још нешто, кад вам већ трошим драгоцено време: бесплатан Авира анитивирус и бесплатан Комодо фајервол одлично раде код мене на 10, слажу се и, што је најважније, не заузимају пуно ресурса нити успоравају компјутер. Додуше, генерално немам проблема са ресурсима, али мислим да би овај пар заштитара подлично радио на слабијим и просечним машинама. Пробајте, не губите ништа, само можете добити.
Но, и даље сам мишљења да се не треба прелазити на 10 док год 7 и 8 раде радњу.

Ne treba prelaziti na 10 dokle god korisnici nisu u stanju da biraju da li će neka ispravka biti primenjena ili ne. Trenutno Mikrosoft može da instalira bilo šta na vašu mašinu, a da se vi tu ništa ne pitate. Kad Mikrosoft jednom odluči da "Disable Win Tracking" krši EULA ugovor instaliraće nešto što će sprečiti dotični program da radi svoj posao.

 Windows turns 30: a visual history  (http://www.theverge.com/2015/11/19/9759874/microsoft-windows-visual-history-30-years)


Moj prvi Windows bio je 3.11 negde 1994. godine i, posle DOS-a, stvarno sam se osećao ko da sam u budućnosti  :lol: :lol: :lol:

I moj, u slično vreme. :lol: Mada sam tu znao malo šta osim da dvaput kliknem.

A onda sam retroaktivno morao da savladam DOS i Norton Commander tamo negde 1999.
Tako da je prvi Windows sa kojim sam imao ekstenzivnog kontakta zapravo Win 98.

A verujem da svi znamo ljude koji i dalje koriste XP.

@Skalar hvala na iscrpnom izveštaju za nas sa slabijim mašinama, sa malim zakašnjenjem. Podstakao si me da napravim imidž pa probam desetku, čisto da vidim kako izgleda i radi, nego koji program je trenutno aktuelan za te stvari a da je siguran? Imao sam slučajeva da sistem posle vraćanja jednostavno odbija da radi, ili radi loše...

Ја користим бесплатан AOMEI Backuper. Има га за скидање. До сада нисам приметио неке иоле озбиљније багове након враћања система уз његову помоћ. Једино што сам запазио јесте да не врати подешавања ИП адреса у сетовању за излазак на интернет. Користим Телеком АДСЛ и морам у подешавању конекције укуцати оне адресе. Али, то је минут посла. Све остало ради.
Требаш обратити пажњу на следеће: ако си инсталисао игре, или неке апликације, на некој другој партицији, након враћања система из имиџ фајла све то што је инсталисано мора бити на истом месту где је имиџ запамтио да се налази. Иначе неће радити.
Овај програм је лак за коришћење. Кад инсталишеш, прочистиш систем, средиш регистар базу, кажеш то је то :) и из Виндовса га покренеш. Одредиш на другој партицији фолдер само за имиџ фајл и даш команду да се ту сними. Обавезно направи и бутабилан двд диск, да би могао уз његову помоћ вратити систем и ако ти постојећи Виндовс сасвим пукне.
Има мало зезања кад са 10 враћаш на рецимо 7, јер 10 поставља две мале партиције за потребе система, а 7 једну. Ако идеш са 10 на 7, мораш прво убацити инстзалациони диск од 7 и кренути са инсталацијом до оног дела кад можеш сређивати хард диск, брисати и формирати партиције. Ту пази, да не обришеш партиције на које бекапујеш своје податке. Кад направиш партицију за 7 (једна велика и једна мала), прекинеш инсталацију Виндовса, рестартујеш на дугме компј и онда убациш и покрећеш бутабилни двд диск од овог програма и само задаш путање.
Мој садашњи 7 заузима око 50 Гб, с тим што су ми игре на посебној партицији на другом диску и то не дирам, остаје где јесте, па ми овај програм ту 7 врати за нешто мало више од 2 минута. Додуше, то зависи и од брзине компјутера, али верујем да ни корњаче од машина не би радиле дуже од 15-20 минута. То је премија, наспрам пар сати инсталисања и штеловања.
Кад са 7 идеш на 10 уз помоћ овог програма, не мораш радити ту гимнастику са инсталационим диском, јер 10 сам себи направи још једну малу додатну партицију.
Значи, систем из имиџ фајла потпуно прегази постојећу пратицију и врати оно што си снимио.
Пажња: снимити имиџ фајл можеш директно из Виндовса, али нисам пробао да исто тако директно из Виндовса вратим неки Виндовс из имиџ фајла. Мислим да је то немогуће и да се то мора радити искључиво са бутабилног двд диска.

Sve sam razumeo, hvala. Menadžerisanje particijama nikad ne radim iz instalacije win-a već za te potrebe koristim hirens boot dvd, to je skup raznih programa koji se butuju sa dvd-a, uglavnom rade pod linuksom ili dos-om, i odatle možeš sve da radiš. Testiranje komponenti, particionisanje, čak postoje i varijante mini XP ili WIN7 koji se dižu sa DVD-a i uz pomoć kojih mogu da se rade osnovne radnje, tipa system restore, spašavanje podataka i sl. kad sistem rikne. Ima tu i programa za pravljenje slika sistema naravno, ali, kažem, nisam imao pozitivna iskustva, mada nisam skoro probao. Inače meni sistem zauzima oko 80gb, mada verujem da bi deinstalacijom par igara i kabastih programa koji su spakovani na C: a ne koriste se, smanjio sve za 10-20gb.

Ма знам ја, друже, за Hirns, али мој системски диск је ССД диск од 120 Гб и из неког мени непознатог разлога је "одбио да сарађује" са пар сличних програма и онда радим то зезање са крени-стани инсталацијом :).
Е, још нешто, приликом прављења имиџ фајла немој мењати степен компресије, остави га на подешеној вредности. Са неким другим менаџерима партиција сам имао лоше ускуство кад сажимају више од фабрички подешеног. Јбг, гига тамо-амо не значи ништа.

Nisam to znao, jesi li probao i ove novije verzije hirensa, 15.x ? Kad su mi dolazili računari uništeni od virusa, formatiranjem iz instalacije su uspevali da prežive i opet rušili sistem i pravili probleme, tako da mi je ostala navika da pre instalacije pripremu radim odatle.

inače, pitanje xpraistorijskog čoeka, zove me rođaka, kliknula nešto i instalirala joj se desetka na lap, sistem usporio, hoće da vrati na 7

ja izguglam ima li kakvo uputstvo, ali kod nje uopšte nema opcije za povratak na sedmicu onako kako ta uputstva tvrde

i generalno, pošto ništa nije  bekapovala, šta sa ličnim dokumentima, prije svega fotkama, da se zaštite prije vraćanja na 7, ako uopšte može da se vrati?

Dobra je 10ka. Neka ostavi.

Ipak, neka bekapuje vazne dokumente i u opcijama iz win 10 neka resetuje instalaciju desetke i nanovo je podigne. Potom neka klikne na C partijicu, ide disk cleanup, i to cekira opciju clean up old system files ili tako besto, cekura sve u tome, pobrise tako staru instalaciju da joj ne zauzima prostor i voila.



Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Note 4

Dobra je Desetka, kao što ni GMO hrani ništa ne fali.. sve dok istorija ne pokaže drugačije.

ali kako da resetuje 10?

po uputstvu na netu ne može

nači, piše ''The one you want is 'Go back to Windows x' where x will be 7 or 8.1 depending on what your computer was running. Click 'Get started' to begin.''

toga ''go back'' nema

http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/how-to/windows/how-downgrade-windows-10-to-windows-7-8-easy-3615606/ (http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/how-to/windows/how-downgrade-windows-10-to-windows-7-8-easy-3615606/)

Ne da vrati na 7 nego da iz win 10 u opcijama (desni klik na ekran, properities ili personalize) pa ima opcija tu negde bekap pa reset windows i pokrene instalaciju win 10 ponovo sam windows.

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Note 4

aha, al ona hoće rollback to 7, ne reset

Сад ми је на машини 7, а мрзи ме да стављам 10 па да тражим, али се сећам да сигурно има опција за безболну деинсталацију 10 и враћање на 7, уколико је била апгрејд варијанта инсталације 10. Нисам сигуран, ал нека погледа оно тамо где се инстал-деинстал Виндовсове компоненте. Има сигурно, нека тражи!

Samo da javim da sam uspešno instalirao (od nule) desetku. Napravio sam bekap sedmice uz pomoć AOMEI bekapera za svaki slučaj. Lepo radi, stavio sam najlakšu moguću verziju (home - one language), zauzima svega 12-13gb (ima li ko pojma zatreba li nekad nama smrtnicima uopšte pro ili enterprise???). Neću imati vremena danas ni sutra za sitna tweakovanja ali od nedelje ću se igrati.

Обавезно покрени и оне програмчиће за спречавање 10 да те шпијунира. Ни они неће спречити сваку врсту шпијунирања, ал бар нешто хоће. У хостс фајлу (ако знаш о чему причам) треба да буду блокирани следећи домени и то изгледа овако (можеш и ручно унети копи/пејст, али је једноставније да то ураде ови програмчићи горе помињани):

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To mi treba, hvala puno!
Imaš li legalnu kopiju ili...?

Или.

Ako ti nije problem napiši puno ime aktivatora, može i na pm


Edit: snasao sam se...

Quote from: Petronije on 29-11-2015, 23:17:49
Ako ti nije problem napiši puno ime aktivatora, može i na pm


Edit: snasao sam se...

Na kinguinu originalni ključ za win 10 je oko 15ak e... :)

Сада сам убеђен да 10 препознаје неваљао софтвер.
На 10 сам успевао да инсталишем Corel 17, да га покренем само једном, а већ код другог покретања ми је пријављивао грешку, као, не може да нађе неке системске фајлове. А на 7 сам га инсталисао и радио је без икаквих проблема.
Данас сам на 10 покушао да инсталишем Tom Clancys Rainbow Six Siege и инсталација игре није хтела ни да крене, јер се без моје воље истог момента покретала инсталација неког антиспај програма, која је загушивала и блокирала инсталацију игре.
Брзо вратим 7, преко имиџ фајла, и инсталишем игру без икаквих проблема. Ево је ради, али ћу је склонити јер ми се нешто не допада. Напомињем да ми и на 7 и на 10 као заштита раде упоредо Комодо фајервол и Авира бесплатан антивирус.
Узалуд сам на 10 инсталисао чак три програмчића за спречавање шпијунирања, мноштво нечега њима искључио, изгледа да оно главно није убијено. Или је то случај само на мојој машини, или ја нешто не радим добро...

Sprečavanje špijuniranja verovatno radi, i niko ne zna šta si instalirao ili hteo da instaliraš. Windows te samo sprečava da instaliraš krekovan softver.

Možda je dual boot rešenje.

Skalar, jesi li ti poisključivao u admimistrative tools/services windows defender i security center? Jer meni je windows defender konstantno brisao sve što je mirisalo na krek, dok mu nisam doakao. Sad nemam problema, sve prolazi.

Искључено.
Но, сад је 7 на машини. Па док ми не досади. Онда ћу опет ставити 10. Па док не будем љут и вратим 7. У том ће се вероватно појавити и неки 11.

A jesi li ga onako ljucki ubio, nemoj mi zameriti što sam uporan. Na "startup type" padajućem meniju si stavio "disabled", pa kliknuo na stop, pa apply?

Ма јок, нисам тако, него су га убила ова три програмчића за спречавање шпијунирања. Проверавао сам у Таск Менаџеру и нисам му ни трага нашао.

Ok, kad vratiš 10 , ti ako te ne mrzi probaj pa javi šta si uradio.

Имам теорију како 10 открива нелегалан софтвер - најчешће програми и игре комуницирају са својим матичним сајтовима, па чак и кад им то корисник не дозволи. А онда матични сајт даје информације Мајкрософту, који онда проследи сваком појединачном 10 шта да блокира у свом окружењу. Или некако слично. Свакако је неопходна веза са Интернетом да би 10 остварио везу са неким напољу, а да ми то и не знамо, нити можемо открити кад то уради.
Мислим да 10 не може знати која је игра или програм крекован, док му се то не јави. Кад једном будем имао времена, пробаћу више нелегалних програма, али без конекције на Интернет. Верујем да би без конекције све радило како треба. Но, колико је данас компјутера који немају везу са Интернетом?
А и чим су они давали бесплатно 10, чак и са надоградњом на пиратски претходни Виндовс... Како иде она стара: "Не веруј Мајкрософту ни кад ти дарове доноси."

Krekovani program se razlikuje od originalnog programa. Ta razlika može da se upiše u neku bazu podataka, i ta baza može da stoji na tvom računaru. Recimo da ima 100000 krekovanih programa (onih koji su se žalili Mikrosoftu, ili čak platili da budu u toj bazi). Recimo da treba 100 bajtova za svaki program da bi se prepoznao krek (može i sa manje). To je otprilike 10 MB koji mogu lako da se zagube negde u Windows folderu. Ono što krekeri treba da urade je da nekako zaobiđu taj algoritam za prepoznavanje kreka. Problem je u tome da šta god da krekeri urade Mikrosoft će da objavi update da to reši, koji se ne može izbeći (kao što se moglo u Win 7). Mikrosoft je plaćen da to radi, ali krekeri u principu nisu plaćeni da se zamajavaju nečim ako su već dobili prve pare.

Microsoft updates support policy: New CPUs will require Windows 10 (http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-updates-support-policy-new-cpus-will-require-windows-10/#ftag=YHFb1d24ec?ref=yfp)

Quote from: Skalar on 21-12-2015, 00:20:33
Имам теорију како 10 открива нелегалан софтвер - најчешће програми и игре комуницирају са својим матичним сајтовима, па чак и кад им то корисник не дозволи. А онда матични сајт даје информације Мајкрософту, који онда проследи сваком појединачном 10 шта да блокира у свом окружењу. Или некако слично. Свакако је неопходна веза са Интернетом да би 10 остварио везу са неким напољу, а да ми то и не знамо, нити можемо открити кад то уради.
Мислим да 10 не може знати која је игра или програм крекован, док му се то не јави. Кад једном будем имао времена, пробаћу више нелегалних програма, али без конекције на Интернет. Верујем да би без конекције све радило како треба. Но, колико је данас компјутера који немају везу са Интернетом?
А и чим су они давали бесплатно 10, чак и са надоградњом на пиратски претходни Виндовс... Како иде она стара: "Не веруј Мајкрософту ни кад ти дарове доноси."

    Moje iskustvo je drugačije. Prvo sam radio upgrade na računarima pod piratskim Windows-ima. Uspeli su tek nakon nekoliko pokušaja. Nakon otprilike 48h su piratski programi počeli da divljaju, na kraju ni torrent nisam mogao da učitam a probao sam preko Mozzile, Chroma, Opere i Safarija. Ništa.
    Nakon par meseci instaliram legalne verzije : Win 7 kroz VLC  na laptop i Win 8.1 OEM  na težaka kojeg sam nabavio u međuvremenu.  Uradim prvo sve moguće win update, uradim upgrade na Win 10 i mir u kući. Rade i Windows i vaskolika piraterija na njima.

Ja evo već drugi win10 vozim, prvi je bio x86, ovaj je x64, sa isključenim defenderom piraterija peva. Mada možda je i do verzije, ovo je neka modovana sa rutrackera, dosta stvari je bilo isključeno.

Windows 10, naravno, šalje podatke Majkrosoftu čak i kada mu se eksplicitno kaže da to ne radi:

https://voat.co/v/technology/comments/835741 (https://voat.co/v/technology/comments/835741)

Ovaj software to resava https://www.safer-networking.org/spybot-anti-beacon/

No ne vidim cemu kukanje. Svi mobilni OS to rade. Ms to sad primenjuje i na desktop.

Cao narode, imam pitanjce. Kako da sprecim firewall da prepoznaje Chrome kao virus (nesiguran kanal, sta god) i blokira ga? Moram da iskljucim firewall inace nemam internjeta. :(

Pitanje je da li želiš da isključiš firewall kompletno ili samo da dozvoliš firefoxu izlaz na net? Može i jedno i drugo.

Ja nemam windows 10 ali ako je kao u windows 7, odeš u control panel , odabereš system and security, u njemu odabereš windows firewall pa tu imaš allow a program through windows firewall.

Firewall isključuješ tako što kucaš u search administrative tools, uđeš tu, pa services, nađeš windows firewall i eliminišeš ga onako kako sam objašnjavao par strana u nazad isključivanje windows defendera, da se ne ponavljam.

Ako hoćeš samo njemu da dozvoliš, to ne znam tačno u klik dok ne dođem kući ali svodi se da otvoriš aplikaciju windows firewall i dodaš pravilo u kojem dozvoljavaš chrome.exe izlazak na internet. Ne bi trebalo da bude komplikovano, probaj pa javi ako ne uspeš.

Petronije, vise ovo drugo jer ne znam koliko je pametno surfovati bez fw koji je vec off.

Meho, da to sam pokusavala nekako da uradim, bez uspeha, ali probacu jos jednom.

Hvala vam obojici xcheers

Naravno, pravi odgovor je "kakav kurac chrome, koristi firefox za barem za nijansu jači osećaj privatnosti" but we're not here to judge.

Editovao sam gornji post ali, naravno, odgovor je "kakav kurac chrome i ff, opera rulz !!" :lol:

Ako se ne koristi TOR nema privatnosti

Kome baš JAKO nedostaje Windows 98, sad može da iskusi emulaciju u browseru (http://gizmodo.com/relive-the-horrors-and-thrills-of-windows-98-right-in-y-1761106019).  :lol:

Stvarno ne znam kome može da nedostaje os koji se rušio na mesečnoj bazi a instalaciju drajvera pretvarao u nuklearnu fiziku :lol:

Uh, ja se sećam da je prelazak sa devedesetosmice na XP za mene bio bukvalno blagoslov. U kancelariji sam imao kvalitetan Compaq Pentium III, ali je operativni sistem padao najmanje jednom dnevno.

Devedes' osmica je bila pakao. Mada, tek sa izlaskom W7 sam došao u fazu da rušim OS tek kad radim upgrade. XP je isto morao da se reinstalira posle nekog vremena ako se intenzivno koristi, ali u odnosu na 98 je bio baš to - blagoslov.

Users of Microsoft's 'free' Windows 10 find unexpected ads on lock screen (http://appleinsider.com/articles/16/02/24/users-of-microsofts-free-windows-10-find-unexpected-ads-on-lock-screen)
Windows 10 Is Showing Ads On Your Lockscreen, Here's How to Turn Them Off (http://lifehacker.com/windows-10-is-showing-ads-on-your-lockscreen-heres-how-1760984834)
Windows 10 lock screen ads begin with Rise of the Tomb Raider push (http://www.pcworld.com/article/3037396/windows/windows-10-lock-screen-ads-begin-with-rise-of-the-tomb-raider-push.html)

Jedan od novijih Windows 10 apdejta ponovo može da dovede do katastrofe (http://windowsreport.com/kb3140743-issues/)...

Quote
Symptoms include crashes, BSODs, and the inability to boot, even in safe mode.  The Windows 10 subreddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/) has many threads detailing the inability (https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/48zrkb/windows_10_stuck_at_spinning_circle_login_screen/)to (https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/48yhte/windows_10_stuck_on_blue_loading_screen_when_i/)boot (https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/48zqyg/help_blue_circling_screen_after_update_never_boots/). The only fix seems to be booting to a recovery ISO, uninstalling the update / rolling back, and hoping you don't get hit again. W10Privacy 2 (http://betanews.com/2016/02/22/control-windows-10-updates/) claims to be able to (among other things) give Windows 10 users control over the automatic updates.

Warning: Windows 7 computers are being reported as automatically starting the Windows 10 upgrade without permission. (https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/4a0asv/warning_windows_7_computers_are_being_reported_as/)

Instalira se gwx control panel i nema problema http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/

http://youtu.be/VMPeTrHNX1U (http://youtu.be/VMPeTrHNX1U)

Quote from: Meho Krljic on 22-11-2015, 07:26:55
Windows turns 30: a visual history  (http://www.theverge.com/2015/11/19/9759874/microsoft-windows-visual-history-30-years)

Moj prvi Windows bio je 3.11 negde 1994. godine i, posle DOS-a, stvarno sam se osećao ko da sam u budućnosti  :lol: :lol: :lol:

memories. :lol:
a tek prelaz na where do you want to go today... :lol:
20 years later:
https://youtu.be/Nas7hQQHDLs (https://youtu.be/Nas7hQQHDLs)

presao na win10, odusevljen. sve je opt-out, ali pregledno i otvoreno. revolucionarni sistem, nova era.
inace, nvidijini ekskluzivni win10 drajveri za grafiku ne-nad-je-bivi.

Automatska ažuriranja nisu opt-out. Ne možeš da stopiraš neki update. Znam ja zašto su tako rešili, ali znam i da sve aktivnije razmišljam o nekom Linuksu.

ok sam s tim. iako tu opciju nemas u home varijanti, u pro mozes izabrati da te tek obavijesti.
plus, tvrdim da je ovo prvi put da update konacno funkcionira "kako treba", t.j. pouzdano i brzo radi, te su prioriteti odlicno postavljeni, znaci, slican proces ti ne smori sistem. a apdejt zelim. win10 je odlican rezultat simbioze operativnog sistema izgradjenog na iskustvu iz desetljeca desktop, tablet i smartfon varijanti.
a ms ocigledno potpuno mijenja politiku na mnogim podrucjima, ovaj mjesec zadnji put bi trebali dobiti jedan od onih mjesecnih apdejt-paketa.

nisam "paranoidan" sto se tice podataka, iako sve ukrotim, ako zelis funkcionalnost odredjenih servisa, ne mozes izbaciti nuzne preduvjete i postavke.
a posto idemo u pravcu standardizacije na svim uredjajima, win10 moramo usporediti sa google/apple produktima, fejsbukom, whatsappom i sl. servisima. za koje je ms u ovom slucaju "mala beba". iako opt-out, lijepo dostupno i pregledno pise, ovo je to i to, ne zelis, turn out. u biti, od modernih windowsa verzija koju sam najmanje morao akati na nestandardne nacine.
win10 zeli skoro sve znati (jos uvijek manje no konkurencija), ali lijepo i otvoreno to kaze, pa biraj (sto kod konkurencije ne mozes).

Windows 10's Upgrading Tricks Have Gotten More Insidious (http://kotaku.com/windows-10s-upgrading-tricks-have-gotten-more-insidious-1778689116)

bas su agresivni prijedlozi za upgrade na desku...samo ceka da kliknes veceras ili odmah...
vjerojatno su se mnoghi zajebali
ja sam sa win 95 iz 1997. skocio na XP u 2003. i dan danas kuci imam Xp i zadovoljan sam
na poslu sedmica si super je
kolege imaju desku izgleda ok a i brz je upgrade

Quote from: Meho Krljic on 26-05-2016, 07:03:06
Windows 10's Upgrading Tricks Have Gotten More Insidious (http://kotaku.com/windows-10s-upgrading-tricks-have-gotten-more-insidious-1778689116)

Microsoft U-turn on 'nasty trick' pop-up (http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-36376962)

Majkrosoft kupuje LinkedIn za... 26 milijardi dolara (https://www.yahoo.com/news/linkedin-ceo-why-sold-company-134255968.html).  :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:  Mislim, 26 milijardi? Džizas, berzanska poslovanja u SAD su potpuno van kontrole.

Apgrejdovala (original) i od onda imam problem sa wifi-jem. Diskonektuje se na trenutak, pa se konektuje. Jednom se diskonektovao i nisam mogla da se konektujem uopšte (drugi uređaji u kući su bili konektovani normalno). Našla rešenje na netu, ali ne trajno. Wifi i dalje povremeno nestane sa liste mreža, pa se vrati kada isključim i uključim wifi na kompu. Mojoj drugarici se dešava isto.

http://www.redmondpie.com/fix-no-wi-fi-available-after-windows-10-upgrade-issue-heres-how/

Da li si imala neki VPN  instaliran pre apgrejda? Ovi tvrde da je to uzročnik.

ja imao VPN, apgrejd prošao dobro, sve radi.

Meni VPN malo usporava rad laptopa, slabiji je protok.

Quote from: Meho Krljic on 12-07-2016, 23:08:10
Da li si imala neki VPN  instaliran pre apgrejda?

Ne...

Microsoft Wants Autistic Coders. Can It Find Them And Keep Them? (http://www.fastcompany.com/3062835/hr/microsoft-autism-hiring)

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The day before Blake Adickman was scheduled to start interviewing at Microsoft last spring, he called his parents and kept them on the phone as he walked from his hotel to the building where his meetings were set to take place. His parents, back in Boca Raton, Florida, zoomed in on Redmond, Washington, on Google Maps and followed along. When he arrived at the building, he took a photo of its entrance and texted it to them. Then he turned around and retraced his steps to his hotel.
Adickman is autistic. He is 26 years old, with a full beard and a broad-shouldered build, but his affect—chatty, guileless, and eager to please—makes him seem younger than his age. One of the features of his autism is that he gets frazzled by unfamiliar experiences, and the practice walk to Microsoft was meant to try to diminish the newness of his surroundings. This was one of the most important moments of his life, and he didn't want to mess it up.
In the past, Adickman had never disclosed his autism when he applied for jobs. Once, a manager had berated him for making a list of tasks on his phone instead of in handwriting, and he'd wanted to explain why he preferred typing to writing: a quirk in fine motor skills, associated with autism, that made for messy penmanship. "I have hypermobility," he'd blurted. "I don't care what you have," his manager had replied. He would soon quit.
Adickman and millions of adults with autism often find themselves in a difficult bind. They struggle to get and keep jobs because of the disability, but if they disclose it so they can seek accommodations while applying or working—just as someone in a wheelchair, for instance, might request a ramp—they risk facing discrimination from managers or colleagues who mistakenly believe autism, because it affects the brain, must make them less able workers.
This time, though, was supposed to be different.
Normally, when someone applies for a job at Microsoft and gets through the early stages of consideration—the resume screening, the phone interview, maybe a homework assignment to assess their skills—they're brought on campus for a day of intense back-to-back interviews with managers, where they're quizzed about their experience and, if they're applying for a technical position, asked to work out problems on the fly. But Microsoft had brought Adickman and 16 others to join the third cohort in a year-old program crafted especially for autistic applicants.
The program, which began in May 2015, does away with the typical interview approach, instead inviting candidates to hang out on campus for two weeks and work on projects while being observed and casually meeting managers who might be interested in hiring them. Only at the end of this stage do more formal interviews take place.
The goal is to create a situation that is better suited to autistic people's styles of communicating and thinking. Microsoft isn't the first to attempt something like this: The German software firm SAP,  (http://go.sap.com/corporate/en/company/diversity.html)among a handful of others, have similar programs—but Microsoft is the highest-profile company to have gone public with its efforts, and autistic adults are hoping it will spark a broader movement.
What's unorthodox about this, of course, isn't just its setup. It also represents a novel, and potentially fraught, expansion of the idea of diversity. The impulse to hire more autistic employees is based on the same premise as hiring, say, women and people of color: Doing so not only welcomes in a wider range of creative and analytical talent, but brings more varied perspectives into an organization, and makes for a workforce that better reflects the general population of customers.
And yet, being autistic is considered a brain disorder, and it affects the way people process and communicate information—skills that are at the core of many white-collar professions. Adickman and his cohort were, in a sense, subjects in the third iteration of an ambitious experiment. Could the third-largest corporation in the world make the case that hiring and employing autistic people, with all their social and intellectual quirks, was good, not bad, for business?

It has been almost two decades since an Australian sociology student, who was on the spectrum herself, coined the term "neurodiversity" to signify that brain variations are normal and should be respected, just like differences in gender and race. People with autism, according to this philosophy, aren't abnormal. It's just that they might need some extra support to live in a society built with "neurotypical" people in mind. While that concept has gotten some traction in schools, the corporate world has taken little notice. But that might have to change soon.


Diagnoses of autism spectrum disorder, a catch-all name that includes a range of symptoms from muteness to the milder social awkwardness of Asperger Syndrome, have become much more prevalent over the past couple of decades. One in 68 children were diagnosed with ADS in 2012, up from one in 10,000 in the 1980s. Many researchers believe this is largely because growing awareness of autism has meant more children are being correctly diagnosed.
Soon those children will be old enough to enter the workforce. About half of autistic children have average or above-average intellectual ability, according to the CDC. The unemployment rate among autistic adults, though, is extraordinarily high—up to 80%, by some estimates, according to the advocacy group Autism Speaks, though precise figures are hard to find.
"As a whole, people with autism—even those who are quite bright, and intellectually quite capable—are facing worse job prospects because of their social challenges," says Dave Kearon, the director of adult services at Autism Speaks. Kearon and other experts believe that companies' traditional hiring processes are biased against autistic candidates. Someone who looks at his lap instead of at his interviewer, for example, might come across as awkward or even rude. "They can't get a job that's commensurate with their abilities," says Kearon. "You're really setting them up to fail."
I first met Adickman during his visit to Microsoft. The company had allowed me an exclusive look inside the autism program and, for three days, I sat in a conference room as Adickman and the 16 other candidates listened to classical music and worked in small groups to build simple devices out of Legos. Two men sat at the front of the room, observing them and taking notes that they'd share with managers. Later, managers themselves would stop by.
When Adickman and I stepped out of the room to talk for a couple of minutes, he stared off to the side instead of at me—a typical trait among autistic people—but this quirk didn't reflect a general reticence. If anything, Adickman was more talkative and forthcoming than people usually are upon meeting a journalist for the first time. "I've been basically jumping from contract job to contract job," he admitted. "When I got invited out here, I was like, 'Are you sure?'"
He was maybe the most self-deprecating of the candidates I met, but he was also among the most articulate in describing how autistic people can have significant job strengths, in addition to impairments. "They can have a drive toward something to the point of obsession. You don't have to tell someone not to go home early. They'll just stay."


It became apparent that Adickman was describing one of his own traits. One evening, I met him for dinner, and he told me he'd been watching Curb Your Enthusiasm and My Little Pony. He spent most of the two-hour meal deconstructing the programs.
People might think of them as different from each other, he said, the first cynical and the latter idealistic, but they both deal with how confusing human behavior can be: "They're about conflicts that come with difficulties socializing." At one point, I tried to steer the conversation toward Microsoft, but Adickman said he couldn't switch topics right then. Part of his brain had lit up when we'd started talking about his favorite shows, he said, and he wasn't done.
Adickman sometimes imagined his own interactions as TV plot points, which helped him figure out resolutions, he said. He most related to one character on My Little Pony—a young dragon named Spike who is bullied and misunderstood. "I'm definitely him," he said. "He's a guy who wants to help others, and he's treated like shit, even though he's really quite competent."

Now that autism diagnoses are on the rise, the state of the autistic workforce is attracting the attention of people who are in the position to change it: high-level corporate executives who happen to have autistic children and understand that, given the right setting, autistic people can not only thrive but can show off skills and traits that non-autistic people are less likely to have.
Early last year, two such Microsoft employees began laying the groundwork for a new hiring program, inspired by CEO Satya Nadella's mission to transform the company's culture to be more open and fast-moving. (Nadella has personal experience with the challenges of disabilities: Two of his children have special needs.)


Mary Ellen Smith, corporate vice president of worldwide operations, and Jenny Lay-Flurrie, now Microsoft's chief accessibility officer, believed that hiring more autistic employees would be well aligned with Microsoft's broader goals. They'd also seen firsthand, through their children, that many autistic people are not only perfectly capable of meeting serious intellectual demands—they also can have qualities that are suited for tech jobs, such as being detail-oriented and methodical. Perhaps by adjusting the hiring process, Lay-Flurrie thought, Microsoft could discover great candidates other companies were overlooking.
"The unemployment rate is chronic," she says, "which is not a reflection of the talent pool, it's just a reflection of these people not getting through the door."
In early 2015, Smith and Lay-Flurrie sketched out a small pilot program with the help of Neil Barnett, Microsoft's director of inclusive hiring and accessibility. The plan was to identify, through an open application process, a small number of candidates who seemed both to have the appropriate skills and, crucially, to be ready and willing to work in a professional setting at Microsoft's headquarters.
Those candidates would be invited to spend several weeks on campus working on projects and meeting managers who have committed to considering people from the program. The goal: Make as many good matches as possible, though it would be up to managers to decide whether to extend an offer.
Adickman had tried his best, leading up to his visit to Microsoft, to minimize surprises. But on the third day of the program, one of the four members of Adickman's group, a kid from upstate New York, disappeared. Soon after, one of the men from the front of the room crouched by the table where Adickman's group had been working on their Lego project. The New Yorker had been unsettled by how different Redmond was from home, the man explained, and had decided to go home. With only three people left in their group, Adickman and his teammates each had to take on more responsibilities. On another occasion, a different group member, a woman with a non-technical background, started crying and ran out of the room. It turned out that, because she didn't know how to code, she'd felt left out of her teammates' conversations.
Adickman tried to focus on what he could control. Some evenings, he brought homework assignments back to his hotel room. He'd be exhausted, but he'd make sure to meet all the deadlines. Over the course of the two weeks, the meetings with managers became more formal. Adickman couldn't help but be forthcoming about his worries. In one conversation with a manager named Jeff Ting, he admitted, "I'm nervous."
Adickman didn't know it, but Ting had a son on the autism spectrum. Yes, Adickman was uncommonly honest, and, yes, he made intermittent eye contact, but Ting, knowing that he was autistic, didn't hold that against him. Adickman rambled a bit in answering one question, but when Ting gave him time, he arrived at a good answer.
"He was a very sharp individual—I mean, he knew his stuff when it came to systems engineering," Ting recalls. "The thing that he had difficulty with was actually expressing it. I have enough background in autism that I kind of knew that I had to give him a little bit of time and space."
At the end of the interview, Ting asked Adickman why he'd been anxious. He'd done great.
There's a stereotype that autistic people don't care about others. But Adickman told me it wasn't like that for him. He wanted to be close to people. It was just that he'd never been much good at it. Growing up, his parents and older sisters were warm and talkative, prone to hugging and processing their feelings out loud. But when his mother, Ilene, tried to touch her son, he froze up, almost as if he was repulsed.
Blake was obviously intelligent, though. When he was a toddler, Ilene might be pushing him in the cart at Home Depot, and he'd start reading aloud: "American Standard . . . Kohler . . . " Around the same time, Blake's father, Ross, bought him a computer game. Before long, Ross noticed that the Excel program had disappeared from his computer. Blake had deleted it to make room for the computer game to run.
His parents initially rejected an early diagnosis of Asperger syndrome, but by the time he was a teenager, they had come to accept it. Blake could be stiff and had a hard time maintaining eye contact. When someone got him on a topic he loved—gaming, Japanese animation, computers—he wouldn't stop talking; when he was bored, he could hardly get through a conversation. His parents weren't the only ones who noticed his quirks; in middle school, he'd been bullied constantly.
A lot of the time, Blake felt like he wasn't good at much of anything. But every once in awhile, he'd get this feeling—one that, like all feelings, was hard for him to explain—that he was really intelligent but that his autism kept others from realizing it. He tried his own workarounds. He knew he needed to take a lot of breaks from homework, or else he'd burn out, but he also found it impossible to keep track of time. So he set the microwave timer to go off every 15 minutes. His parents and sisters also tried to help: When he returned from school frustrated that he couldn't understand the emotional nuances of the novels he was supposed to be reading, Ilene would read the same book and help Blake deconstruct the characters' feelings. This is what love looks like. This is grief.
Blake still didn't like to be touched. But he was Ilene's son, and sometimes she wanted to be close to him. Beyond that, she thought hugging was a skill he should have. So Blake would stand there in front of her, his shoulders up, his arms pressed to his sides, his eyes fastened to the floor. And she'd look at him and say, "Sucks to be you. I'm coming in for a hug. Incoming!"
When it came time to go to college, Adickman and his parents chose the Rochester Institute of Technology. It had an excellent program in information technology—a good fit for someone passionate about computers. Though the Adickmans had made a calculation not to disclose Blake's autism in his college application, worried that it would hurt his chances of acceptance, Ilene had looked into the university's resources for students like Blake and had been impressed by a special spectrum-support program for autistic people; once Blake arrived, he joined that program. He did poorly in the classes he found boring, but when he graduated in 2012, Amazon was impressed enough to fly him out to Seattle to interview for a position.
It was not his finest moment. Though Adickman was interviewing for a job in IT—a position that usually involves managing a company's back-end technology, rather than writing code for Web sites or apps—his interviewers, as he recalls, badgered him about his programming skills. "They kept me in a room and had all these different people ask me coding questions," he remembered later.
Adickman's habit of being honest and self-effacing, both common autistic traits, made for a lethal combination.
"I think my honesty gets the better of me sometimes," he later told me. Where another candidate, faced with Amazon's questioning, might fudge his answers and exaggerate his abilities, Adickman just kept answering, "I don't know. I don't know."
He didn't get the offer. He returned to Boca Raton to live with his parents and spent the next several years taking low-level I.T. jobs at small, no-name companies. Invariably, within a couple of months, he'd get laid off with little or no explanation. By February of this year, he was unemployed again. What have I done in life, he sometimes thought, to not be able to get a job in my own field?
One day, his mother came to him. A woman from the R.I.T. spectrum support program had called her. Microsoft had started a program to hire autistic people with technical skills, the woman had told her, but it wasn't getting enough great applications. What was Blake up to?
  Lay-Flurrie and Barnett are now trying to scale the program, holding it four times a year. "It's great that we're hiring five or 10 or 15 people, but to really drive that inclusive culture, we've got to figure out how to get a lot of these things into the mainstream," Barnett says. To facilitate this, they've shortened the program, which used to last four weeks, to two weeks, and expanded the applicant pool, which was initially restricted to locals, to candidates from all over the country.
(As for costs, Microsoft does not "share actual dollars when it comes to hiring talent," Barnett said. The costs—"far less than we thought"—include spending associated with "ensuring a great cohort/hiring experience," he said, "but most of our investment is actually in the people" who work on the program.)
Barnet and his colleagues face some persistent difficulties. One serious challenge is that there's no well-established pipeline of autistic candidates for technical positions—the issue that the R.I.T. adviser had been trying to help address when she'd first called Adickman's mother. To hire engineers who are women or people of color, you can go to conferences or organizations for professionals from those backgrounds, but there's no analog among autistic programmers; what's more, some autistic people hesitate to advertise their condition to potential employers, as Adickman had done.
Microsoft is trying to address the pipeline problem by contacting more universities' disability offices, which are often aware of the autistic students on their campuses, and by getting the word out through autism organizations. Still, Barnett and his colleagues wonder if they're reaching even a fraction of the qualified candidates. Without a strong pipeline, Barnett can't present hiring managers with the most competitive candidates for their positions. At the April hiring session, although 13 were open, only five candidates met their high bar for employment.
Adickman was back home in Boca Raton by then. Microsoft had promised him and the other candidates that they'd hear an answer within two weeks. Adickman stopped searching for other jobs and just waited.
"It was," he said, "a very, very long two weeks." He had felt an unusual sense of ease when he'd visited Microsoft. He'd noted that because so many people smiled at him on campus, they must be happy with their jobs.
Then he got a call from a recruiter: He'd made it. Microsoft, impressed not only with his skills but with the way he'd navigated his group's social dynamics, was offering him a position as an engineer, working for Jeff Ting, at a salary so much higher than what he'd previously made that it seemed extraordinary to him.
In June, Adickman moved to Redmond, with his parents' help. When I emailed him to ask if we could talk again, he replied with three words: "Talk about what?"
It hadn't occurred to me to be more specific, but Adickman, like many autistic people, is literal-minded and wanted a clearer request. I explained that I hoped to learn how he was preparing for the new job. A couple of days later, I met Adickman and his parents for lunch at a Thai restaurant. Adickman's mother had stocked his place with the things he needed, like toilet paper, and was planning to send her son on a scavenger hunt to make sure he knew where to find everything.
Over pineapple fried rice, Adickman told me he was thrilled. But weighing on him was the concern that he wouldn't do enough to prove himself at work and would lose his job again. "I need to push myself," he said, almost as if to himself.
As part of the program's design, Adickman had been encouraged to seek any accommodations he needed and had been assigned mentors to help with issues as mundane as dealing with the movers and as complicated as having difficult conversations with a boss. His manager and colleagues had also gone through a special training session about autism. From the start, the organizers felt that it wasn't enough just to hire autistic employees. In order for those people to stay and thrive, they had to be supported.
So far, it appears to be working. Autistic employees told me they feel better at Microsoft than at past jobs, because they know they'll be assisted in asking for accommodations, they have people who can help them navigate social situations, and they don't have to hide their quirks. So far, all of those hired through the new program have performed at or above expectations. None have left Microsoft.
Still, this aspect of the program highlights just how different it is from other diversity initiatives. In theory, supporting autistic employees is no different from making sure employees in wheelchairs have access to a ramp. But in practice, it brings distinct challenges, because it involves interpersonal dynamics—what some people believe to be at the center of how colleagues interact with one another, and, in turn, crucial to a company's success.


Lay-Flurrie observes that autistic people's abilities and disabilities occupy a wide range. Some are intellectually disabled, a factor that "is going to impact the skills and the talents and what somebody is able to bring to the table." Those people, she said, might be better suited for a separate Microsoft program that brings on disabled people to provide services like serving meals. All of the promising applicants to the autism hiring program go through a phone screening, early on, which helps the company get a sense of their professional readiness. Still, there's no clear line that demarcates applicants who are appropriate for the program from those who aren't. And even among those who are highly intelligent and talented, a person's individual quirks might make him a great fit for one team but a poor match for another.
Even Ting couldn't help but wonder how Adickman's autism might manifest at the office. When he was deciding whether to make an offer, he told me, he asked the program's organizers explicit questions to gauge how Adickman would fit in with his team. Some people with autism are unsettled by sudden, loud noises and are themselves reserved. "My group's kind of loud and boisterous, so I was kind of like, 'Will Blake fit into that environment, or does he have noise sensitivity issues?' And they were like, 'No, he's one of the loud, outspoken ones,'" he recalls.
"But I had to ask, because the last thing we want to do is have someone who's not a good fit and they become uncomfortable. We'd have to think about what kind of accommodations we'd have to make, and then would it have an impact on the team's current culture and chemistry?" If Adickman had been sensitive to noise, Ting said, "It would have made the decision harder."
Starting his new job, Adickman felt gratified. An engineer at Microsoft—what would his old bullies think of that? He had his own office, where he set up a photo collage of his family and a lamp from Ikea. Ting was giving him plenty of time to learn at his own pace. And yet, he had a nagging sense that he didn't belong. He told his mentor from his team, Dana Brash, that he didn't feel qualified. "I feel like I cheated to get here," he admitted. "No," Brash said. "Microsoft doesn't hire people as charity cases. You belong here."
Brash and Ting both told me that Adickman had proven himself early on. One Friday, Brash had been out of the office, and Adickman had taken it upon himself to work on a project involving setting up a virtual machine. By Monday morning, he'd made significant progress. "That kind of turnaround is really impressive," Brash said. "I tell people, and they're like 'Wow.'"
Brash had noticed some of the features of Adickman's autism—the intermittent eye contact, the rapid speech, the conversational tangents—but instead of encouraging his colleague to behave more like neurotypical people, Brash encouraged Adickman to be himself. He wanted his new colleague to focus on the tasks at hand instead of on the appropriateness of his behavior. Beyond that, he felt that what made Adickman different from others was one of his assets. "If we want to talk about neurodiversity, why would I want to fit him into my box?" Brash said.


It was hard for Adickman to internalize that message. He badgered Brash with questions about what not to do. He worried, for example, about keeping Microsoft's secrets. He'd signed a form saying he wouldn't disclose anything confidential, but, being literal-minded, he wished for clearer instructions about what was secret and what wasn't. "My biggest nightmare is that I share something that I think is cool with one of my online buddies, and I get fired for it," he told me. If he told friends what he did for a living, for instance, would he be violating the rules?
"This is how my mind works," he said. "I don't mind following rules, but if the rules do not make enough sense, it's hard for me to follow them."
Adickman also felt lonelier than he'd expected. "I'm not used to spending this much time alone," he told me. He'd thought Microsoft would be sort of like college, where he used to wander around and find things to do, even on evenings and weekends. But, here, everyone seemed to be older than him, with spouses and children. On weekends, campus was abandoned. It didn't help matters that he'd dinged his Ford Focus on a post next to his parking spot in his apartment complex, and now he was terrified to drive anywhere.
He came up with what he thought was a good solution to his solitude: He referred some of his autistic friends to Microsoft. He wanted to share his good fortune, and if a friend was accepted, he'd have someone to hang out with. But when he told his mother what he'd done, she got nervous. Referring a friend for a job, she said, was sort of like setting someone up on a blind date. "When you fix someone up on a date, you're sort of vouching for them," she told him. If one of his friends got hired and didn't do well, it might reflect poorly on him. Oh, no, Adickman thought—had he made another faux pas?
Soon afterward, his mother returned home to Florida. It worried Adickman to be left alone, but he was also eager to challenge himself.
"I don't want her to think that I hate her, but it's good that I'm getting away," he confided. "I think I need to fail on my own, and she doesn't let me do that very often." Besides, he also had other mentors here. Brash reassured him that Microsoft wouldn't blame him if his referrals didn't work out.
  One morning, Blake Konrady, another mentor, visited Adickman at his apartment. Konrady was an employment specialist at Provail, a local organization that matches disabled people with work opportunities. He stood in Adickman's kitchen, filling out his voter registration form for him: "I know you don't like your handwriting," he said.
Adickman admitted there was a lot that had confused him about registering to vote. For example—where could he buy a stamp to mail the form? Konrady suggested a Walgreen's down the street. Adickman called his mom to confirm: "This might sound embarrassing, Mom, but I don't send mail very often. Just to be sure, can you verify this? I can get postage stamps at Walgreen's, right?"
In his apartment, her influence was apparent. She had decorated the place with a potted plant and some framed photos. On the fridge was a schedule she'd written up: Monday—use Swiffer. Wednesday—shave, if needed. Friday—check plant.
Adickman also wanted Konrady's help figuring out how to park his car without crashing into that post again, so they went down into the garage and got into the Ford Focus. Adickman practiced easing into the spot with his mentor's guidance. "I need to try this two more times," Adickman said. "That's okay, we can do that," Konrady reassured him. After several more rounds of practice, Konrady said goodbye, and Adickman walked to campus by himself. The point, Adickman knew, was for Konrady to help him live on his own, not to do things for him. That morning, he felt better about the parking situation. But by that evening, he was afraid again.
The thing about his autism was the thing about anyone's autism. Even under the best circumstances, it doesn't go away: you just learn to live with it. Adickman's mom often pointed out that one of his sisters, who is five feet tall, would never be able to reach the high kitchen cabinets. She'd just have to use a stepstool. For Adickman, the challenging part, now that he was living alone and wouldn't have outside support forever, was to find his version of that stepstool.
That was Microsoft's long-term challenge with its program, too. The more autistic people you hire, the more stepstools you have to find. And though the first year of the program has gone well, employees' needs may evolve over time: If a successful autistic candidate is promoted into a management job, he'll likely need different kinds of support. Microsoft's bet is that dealing with all of this complexity is well worth the trouble, because of the benefits neurodiversity brings. People involved with the program also say that, for the most part, once autistic employees have settled in, their needs haven't been much different from that of their colleagues.
So maybe it would be a while before Adickman would get in the car again. And maybe it'd take some time to make friends. But work was going as well as could be expected. Ting had told him he was doing just fine. "In your first couple of weeks, all I expect is that you show up and learn," he'd said. And Adickman was showing up and he was learning.
In one recent episode of My Little Pony, Adickman's favorite character, Spike the Dragon, had, out of the blue, survived a bunch of death traps and saved someone's life. People were finally giving him some credit. Adickman didn't want to get his hopes up, but he suspected Spike's plotline was starting to get better.

Rusi - makar u moskovskim javnim institucijama - prelaze na domaću radinost:



Moscow Drops Microsoft on Putin's Call for Self-Sufficiency   (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-09-27/moscow-drops-microsoft-outlook-as-putin-urges-self-sufficiency)

QuoteMoscow city will replace Microsoft Corp. programs with domestic software on thousands of computers in answer to President Vladimir Putin's call for Russia's authorities to reduce dependence on foreign technology amid tensions with the U.S. and Europe.
The city will initially replace Microsoft's Exchange Server and Outlook on 6,000 computers with an e-mail system installed by state-run carrier Rostelecom PJSC, Artem Yermolaev, head of information technology for Moscow, told reporters Tuesday. Moscow may expand deployment of the new software, developed by Russia's New Cloud Technologies, to as many as 600,000 computers and servers, and may also consider replacing Windows and Office, Yermolaev said.


Putin is urging state entities and local companies to go domestic amid concerns over security and reliability after U.S. firms shut down paid services in Crimea following Russia's 2014 annexation. The plan poses a challenge to the likes of Microsoft, SAP SE and Oracle Corp. in the country's $3 billion software (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-06-17/microsoft-oracle-face-russian-hurdles-as-local-software-thrives) market. Adding to pressure, Putin's internet czar German Klimenko wants to raise taxes on U.S. technology companies to help Russian competitors such as Yandex NV and Mail.ru Group Ltd.
"We want the money of taxpayers and state-run firms to be primarily spent on local software," Communications Minister Nikolay Nikiforov told reporters. From 2017, government entities including the Federal Anti-Monopoly Service, General Prosecutor's Office and Audit Chamber "will be tightening their grip" on state institutions that aren't switching to domestic alternatives, he said.
Microsoft declined to comment.
Government entities spend about 20 billion rubles ($295 million) a year on foreign software, according Nikiforov. His ministry has produced a list of nearly 2,000 Russian software products that state-run companies should use instead of products from global vendors.
Moscow's government has already switched Cisco Systems Inc. technology for city surveillance cameras to local software, Yermolaev said. State media company Rossiya Segodnya and Moscow's regional government switched from Oracle database systems to open-code PostgreSQL software supported by local programmers, according to Digital Russia (http://d-russia.ru/uchastniki-it-rynka-ob-importozameshhenii-softa-zakon-slishkom-myagkij-o-rezultatax-govorit-rano.html).

Руски ОС, идемо!

uvijek sam se čudio što japanci nemaju svoj sistem
ili kinezi
zašto se toliko hardvera proizvodi u aziji i toliko firmi a nemaju svoj sistem
ili imaju a ja ne znam

također ovo s rusima mislim da ima veze sa špijunažom

Microsoft working on Cloud Shell, a 'lightweight Windows version for modern computing world'  (https://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-working-on-cloud-shell-a-lightweight-windows-version-for-modern-computing-world)

http://www.techtimes.com/articles/196564/20170209/windows-10-cloud-is-ransomware-says-epic-ceo-tim-sweeney.htm

Windows 10? To za sada ne ide na moje kompove. Zašto? Ne zato što nisu dovoljno snažni, mislim ako je I5 sa 8gb rama slabo, nego zato što imam malu gomilu starih periferija koje dobro rade na Win7, a na desetki, koju sam proba, rade, ali čim "#$%&/( MS uradi apdejt, a radi ga kako mu se navije, ubaci neke svoje drajvere i ode mas u propast. Drugaru je tako TV kartica izgubila zvuk jer je MS updejtovao drajvere za istu, ali i za zvučni čip na ploči pa se nisu slagali. Stvar rešena nakon gomile psovki sa njegove strane, i čak razmišljanja da ide da kupi novu, iako je ova ispravna. Mislim bacati pare za nov uređaj, dok stari radi samo zato što "developeri" (čitaj šimpanze na ejstaziju nisu umeli da naprave kvalitzetne drajvere koji se neće svađati međusobno. Rešenje? Ah da, brisanje drajvera, totalna deinstalacija uređaja, zatim instaliranje drajvera sa diska, i to prvo za matičnu ploču, a zatim za TV karticu. Uz to Win 10 izgleda ružno. "#$%!() ih material ili metro dizajn.  Mada ni Win 7 nije bez svojih bubica, posebno oko updejta, kada se isti satima muči da skine listu dostupnih updejtova, a CPU ode na 100% dok se ram samo puni.

Windows 10 je sve gori i gori sa svakim apdejtom. Došlo je dotle da posle svakog apdejta meni na poslu treba 2-3 dana da se računar butuje za manje od 15 minuta. Katastrofa.

Ali ono što dolazi sledeće će biti, reklo bi se još gore.

Desktop-kao-usluga:

With DaaS Windows coming, say goodbye to your PC as you know it (https://www.computerworld.com/article/3293429/microsoft-windows/with-daas-windows-coming-say-goodbye-to-your-pc-as-you-know-it.html)

Sa svakim apdejtom Windows 10 sve bolje psujem. Na kraju mu dopizdi mojih prostakluka i skruši se. :evil:

Kupio pre nekoliko meseci nov konfekcijski laptop sa legalnim win 10 i odmah, ćaskajući sa prodavcem, nagovestio instalaciju sedmice.
Veli čovek koji se "razume" da se ne može instalirati sedmica "jer je pravljen za desetku". Ok, kontam, ako je tako neka bude.

Trpim teror mesecima. Usporeno, jadno i nikako. Pride, ne radi drajver za moj stari laserski štampač uprkos što sam ga uredno skinuo sa sajta proizvođača.
Na posebnoj "recovery" particiji desetka, za "ne dao bog" sistemski krk.

Na netu vele da postoje drajveri za sedmicu ali i na busu piše Lasta pa ne leti.
Nikako da se odlučim na gubitak pola dana i tonu živaca da to pokušam; nigde ne mogu da nađem svoj serial number za desetku ako taj bus ne poleti.

Dakle, zajeb sa tom kupovinom na kub.
Neki Linux mi se čini kao sunce iza oblaka ali navika je čudo.

ja nemam nekih većih problema sa desetkom. na poslu koristim na nekom all-in-one MSI računaru, i kući na laptopu, i nema nekog primetnog kočenja ili usporavanja, pri čemu laptop nije neka zver (i poslovni i kućevni imaju i3 procesor).

prethodni laptop je bio problematičan, ali je pravio probleme i dok je na njemu bila sedmica, sa kojom je došao pri kupovini. podizanje sistema je nenormalno dugo trajalo, a prelazak na desetku taj problem nije rešio. posle sam probao da napravim čistu instalaciju desetke, kako bi se rešio svog onog DELL ovog softvera koji je došao sa računarom, ali ni to nije pomoglo.

Pokušavam na Windows 10 koji imam na novom laptopu instaliram neke stvari koje sadrže dll fajlove ali bez uspeha. Stalno mi izbacuje error. Ima li neko neki savet?

Evo i ja da podelim iskustvo, obrisao sadm desetku sa svih računara :mrgreen: U početku i nije bio loš, ali sa svakim apdejtom je sve gori, dok na kraju nisam došao na to da moram da cimam Bila Gejtsa na mobilni da ga pitam smem li da instaliram najnoviju verziju winrara ili on smatra da je to malware. ĆaoZdravo W10.

1. Isključiti opciju automatskog upgrade uz pomoć nekog od programčića (pronaći na mreži)
2. U run kucati msconfig i poisključivati sve što se diže sa dizanjem sistema, a realno ne treba da se diže
3. Napraviti resize (smanjivanje) svih ikona u metrou, poizbacivati sve što se ne koristi
4. Pronaći na mreži bar dva programčića koji blokiraju win10 špijunske aktivnosti
5. Pronaći na mreži bar jedan program za identifikaciju uredjaja u kompjuteru i prikopčanih na kompjuter, koji ima mogućnost automatskog pronalaženja, skidanja i instalisanja drajvera
6. Brutalnom silom isključivanje Kortane (pronaći na mreži uputstvo)
7. Pronaći na mreži neki od programčića koji deinstališu nepotrebne servise u Win 10
8. Ima još nešto, al ne mogu da se setim
9. Formatiranje particije i instalisanje win7 + ona varijanta sa programom za pronalaženje drajvera
10. Instalisanje Linux Mint 19 (sve će raditi uredno)
11. Ako ovih nekoliko korisnih saveta ne pomogne, onda ste najverovatnije "dotegli" svoj win 10 kao ja svoj, pa nemate problema u svakodnevnom radu i koristite ga  sasvim normalno

ајд сад, да би стварно било од помоћи, убаци који програми су поуздани за искључивање надградње, шта не сме да се искључи, шта је метро, који су програми препоручљиви да блокирају њ10 'шпијунске' активности, а да сами нису шпијунски, који прорами су поуздани за идентификацију-проналажење-инсталирање драјвера, линк за поуздано упутство за искључивање кортане - а да не сјебе нешто, поуздане програм који неће искључити и потребне њ10 сервисе...
ништа злонамерно нисам мислио овим, ал једина корисна информација везана за модовање битних ствари као што је ОС је комплетна информација, са тачним именима и верзијама програма који могу да помогну, а да при том не сјебу нешто...
ја имам ССД који сам купио само зато што је њ10 својом 1709 надградње прерастао до тада своју епску размеру некомуникативности и спорости...до сада сам само скинуо све њ10 апликације (користио ЦЦлеанер неку старију верзију из 2017.) - соломонско решење...ал мој процесор неће да ради без њ10, те сам се опростио од пара и купио 256гб ССД.

Да напоменем само да сам онај горе проблем решио Run as Administrator потезом.

Петроније и екипо, питање је дана кад ће Бил Гејтс да одлучи да сруши Виндоуз 7, тј. да сваки пут мораш да радиш restore. Тако да ипак дугорочно бојим се да морамо да се оријентишемо на десетку.

•   Stopupdates10
•   DisableWinTracking
•   SpybotAntiBeaconPortable
•   Destroy Windows 10 Spying DWS
(ovi programi uspešno isključuju nepotrebne servise i blokiraju povezivanje kompjutera sa nekim udaljenim serverima i adresama kojima treba da pošalju kojekakve informacije. Čitati šta se od opcija nudi, nemojte posle da ja budem kriv ako upropastite Windows. Napominjem da se skoro svi ovi programi... khm... khm... khm... plaćaju i da vas ne nagovaram da na mreži tražite piratske verzije)

•   CCleaner

•   Driver Buster

•   Kortana se siledžijski isključuje tako što stisneš crtl-alt-del pa klik na Task manager, pa nadješ Cortana, pa Open file location. Pa kad ti otvori lokaciju, onda moraš velikom brzinom isključiti Kortanu u Task menadžeru i promeniti naziv foldera u kom se ona nalazi u File location... Ne uspe se iz prve, ali posle nekoliko pokušaja uspeva. Promenom naziva foldera u kom se Kortana nalazi ona postaje nevidljiva za sistem i neće biti pokrenuta sa podizanjem sistema.

p.s. Kucaj u Guglu "windows10 metro slika" pa ćeš brzo otrkiti šta je metro :)

Jebiga!

i dalje ponosni vlasnik XP-a već 10 godina...
za osobnu uporabu i dalje nemam potrebe ni za što drugo

a update na 10 je nešto najgore što postoji

valjda misle mogu sve što su nam besplatno dali upgrade sa legalne sedmice... pa kolegica slučajno kliknula dok sam bio na godišnjem jer su jedno ljeto bili zaista agresivni u samoreklamiranju

Седмица је одличан ОС, штета што ниси на њој...

imam na laptopu koji ne palim...

meni je najbolji bio win 2000

Uvek je neka prethodna verzija najbolja...
Kleli smo se u win3.11, pa u Win95, Win98 je bio večita ljubav, XP neprolazna vrednost, Win7 kralj nad kraljevima... a u stvari problem je u tome što MS izbacuje novu verziju Wina svakih nekoliko godina, pa se korisnici doooobro naviknu na jednu verziju i onda im nova verzija zadaje probleme dok se ne naviknu... Kad bude aktuelan neki Windows 12, uzdisaćemo i šaputati "eh, dobra stara desetka..."

to je u ljudskoj prirodi
98 i me nikad nisam koristio
kao ni vistu ni 8 ni 8.1
dakle preskačem sustave

Pa nije baš tako. Win98 sam mrzeo, pa pisali smo na ovoj temi. XP je bio ok, ali vista/7 su mi bili odlični čim su se pojavili. 10 je bio ok, čak mi je i brže radio nego 7 na istoj mašini, ali ukenjaše ga totalis. Pa i sam si okačio spisak tweakova, pazi kad mene mrzi da se cimam sa tim, koji sam ipak malo iznad average joe win korisnika, ako ništa drugo, instalirao sam ih bezbroj.

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Sve se slažem. I ja imam svog favorita medju Windowsima :) ali zaista je problem u navici, ne toliko u funkcionalnosti neke verzije. Pojavi se nova verzija, neki klinac iz komšiluka napiše da je taj i taj Windows smeće, da krahira, da se zapucava, da ne radi ovo i ono, a pojma nema šta sve Windows može. Nije mu istražio ni 10% mogućnosti, a onda se po forumima to mišljenje podeli, mnoštvo "eksperata" to potvrdi, a da niko, ili skoro niko, nije ni naišao na neki problem u radu. Ja se bakćem sa kompjuerima odavno, uradio sam ih stotine, a možda sam pet puta u životu video plavi ekran smrti, možda pet puta nisam uspeo da očistim neki disk od virusa, pa sam morao formatirati... a ni pet puta mi se neki windows nije srušio onako, iz čista mira... To su mistifikacije klinaca iz komšiluka, jer, priznajem da to i sam ponekad uradim, lakše je spičiti disk na nulu, napraviti nove particije i onda iz nekog imidž fajla spucati novi windows, ili ga instalisati na "golo", pa pustiti, recimo, Ninite sajt, da dovrši instalaciju, a onda komšiji složiti priču o satima i satima rudarskog rada... Naravno, ima problema, ali probleme izazivaju instalisani programi, nedovoljno ili nekvalitetno optimizovani, ili duduci korisnici koji tu i tamo otvore porno sajt pa pokupe more žgadije, koja onda u svemu i svačemu otvara popup prozore i vodi nas na kojekakve pretplate i sl., a sam Windows (ma koja verzija) najmanje problema zadaje...

Ko koristi kompjuter za najbanalnije kućne potrebe (film, muzika, internet, tekst, po neka tabelica), bez usko specijalizovanih programa ili programskim paketa, mogao bi bez po muke da se prešalta na neki Linux i da ga bog vidi. Brzo, posle par dana navikavanja, shvati se da je Linux isto intuitivan kao i Win, za sada prilično bezbedan od virusa, a 99% hardvera odmah po instalaciji radi perfektno... plus što većina današnjih Linux distribucija već pri instalaciji postavi i sve neophodne programe za taj običan svakodnevni rad. I nema onog nepriznatog a prisutnog pritajenog straha da će nam kad-tad na vrata zakucatio neka autorska-prava-policija,jer je sve, uglavnom, besplatno. Ali, nema raznih ekstra programa za web dizajn, za pripremu štampe, obradu videa, obradu zvuka... Mislim, ima ih, mogu da posluže u velikoj meri, ali nisu ni izbliza toliko moćni kao windows programi...
Zato, ako smo navikli na Windows i njegove programe, ako već imamo desetku instalisanu, malo je prišrafimo i nastavljamo da koristimo. Sve dok neko ne zakuca na vrata. A onda ćemo svi na Linuxe, pa ajmo Jovo nanovo :)

Скалар, леп текст. Значи ти си на овом форуму "задужен" за хардвер као што је рецимо мек за софтер.

Иначе, да дам и ја својих пет центи. Од када сам у априлу купио лаптоп са десетком нисам имао никаквих проблема. И ово што сам имао потпада под онај скаларов коментар о клинцу који нема појма шта ради. Све у свему, десетка за сада код мене има риспект.

Ma jok, nisam ja zadužen :) samo tu i tamo, kad vidim da mogu pomoći, popraviti ukus, dodam malo soli u čorbu :)

Windows 10? Aha, može ali da se poslušaju skalarovi saveti. Inače, šta ja zameram Pendžerima 10?

1. Odvratan dizajn
2. Od Osmice nasleđeno zaobilazno ulaženje u safe mode (a to je ponekada potrebno, posebno ako se komp zarazi ili neki od drajvera ne rade kako treba)
3. Defender koji blokira i šta treba i šta ne treba
4. Forsiranje apdejtova kada za to i nema potrebe
5. Apdejtovi koji pune sistemsku particiju restore brljotinama
6. Nepodržavanje starijeg a ispravnog hardvera (štampači, grafičke kartice i tome slično)
7. Debilni sistem aktivacije
8. Nema Aero
9. Nekompatibilnost sa pojedinim softverom

Što se tiče isključivanja kortane, na starijim verzijama 10ke, čim se promeni region sa USA na Serbia, kortana prestaje sa radom.

Da, i taj safe mode je užasan.

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Quote from: Skalar on 02-08-2018, 15:24:57
•   Stopupdates10
•   DisableWinTracking
•   SpybotAntiBeaconPortable
•   Destroy Windows 10 Spying DWS
(ovi programi uspešno isključuju nepotrebne servise i blokiraju povezivanje kompjutera sa nekim udaljenim serverima i adresama kojima treba da pošalju kojekakve informacije. Čitati šta se od opcija nudi, nemojte posle da ja budem kriv ako upropastite Windows. Napominjem da se skoro svi ovi programi... khm... khm... khm... plaćaju i da vas ne nagovaram da na mreži tražite piratske verzije)

•   CCleaner

•   Driver Buster

•   Kortana se siledžijski isključuje tako što stisneš crtl-alt-del pa klik na Task manager, pa nadješ Cortana, pa Open file location. Pa kad ti otvori lokaciju, onda moraš velikom brzinom isključiti Kortanu u Task menadžeru i promeniti naziv foldera u kom se ona nalazi u File location... Ne uspe se iz prve, ali posle nekoliko pokušaja uspeva. Promenom naziva foldera u kom se Kortana nalazi ona postaje nevidljiva za sistem i neće biti pokrenuta sa podizanjem sistema.

p.s. Kucaj u Guglu "windows10 metro slika" pa ćeš brzo otrkiti šta je metro :)

фала!  xjap

Skalaru pomagaj, ili Akhatone ili neko treći. Kako da ubijem defender u win10, i da li je to uopšte moguće? Već danima se patim sa burazerovim laptopom, nova ryzen 5 platforma, pa ne mogu da instaliram starije verzije win10, neće da se instaliraju video drajveri. Podigao sam neku najnoviju stabilnu, ajde što se vuče kao prebijena mačka, nego što me defender ubija, ne smem da pomislim na pirateriju. Poisključivao sam sve one opcije u defenderu, ali ne mogu da ga aktiviram, odmah sve briše.

Занимљиво да откад сам искључио апдејт у доњем десном ћошку ми стоји Activate Windows Go to Settings to activate Windows.

Још неко?

Quote from: Petronije on 20-10-2018, 20:39:43
Skalaru pomagaj, ili Akhatone ili neko treći. Kako da ubijem defender u win10, i da li je to uopšte moguće? Već danima se patim sa burazerovim laptopom, nova ryzen 5 platforma, pa ne mogu da instaliram starije verzije win10, neće da se instaliraju video drajveri. Podigao sam neku najnoviju stabilnu, ajde što se vuče kao prebijena mačka, nego što me defender ubija, ne smem da pomislim na pirateriju. Poisključivao sam sve one opcije u defenderu, ali ne mogu da ga aktiviram, odmah sve briše.

Koju si verziju instalirao? Preporučujem Windows 10 LTSC 2019. Prvo nju instaliraj, pa onda drajvere.

Defender isključuješ ovako:

1. Klikni na ikonicu sa štitom da se otvore podešavanja.
2. Poisključuj sve da svi štitovi budu crveni.
3. Kod isključivanja zaštite datoteka i praćenja postavi da po defaultu bude isključeno i restartuj računar.
Ponovo proveri da slučajno nije sam sebe ponovo uključio. Ako jeste ponovi postupak

PS. za aktivaciju idi na sanet.st, otvori nalog, i nakon toga u pretragu unesi digital license. Skini treći ili četvrti po redu aktivator.
Ako si sve poisključivao u defenderu, garantovano aktivira pendžere.

Hvala ti. Na drugom forumu sam dobio link ka uputstvu ubijanja defendera preko registryja, jer ovako navodno posle svakog restarta se aktivira. Moguće da sam restartovao laptop pa se reaktivirao, ni ne sećam se više. Nema šanse više da dižem win, to bi bio jedno 5. put, taman sam sredio drajvere i sve je kako treba. Ali nisam ga aktivirao pa ću po ovom tvom uputstvu, samo da ubijem prokleti defender.

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Uskoro će se Windows 10 naplaćivati godišnje, pa će cela Srbadija lepo da pređe na Linux.

Neverovatno je da kad instaliram win 7 neće bukvalno ništa da radi, ni usb. Kod drugog burazera sam rešio problem tako što sam rasklopio laptop, iščupao hdd, nakačio ga kod mene na desktop pa nabacao instalacije drajvera, ali ovaj prokleti ryzen uopšte nema win7 drajvera.

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Quote from: mac on 20-10-2018, 21:33:35
Uskoro će se Windows 10 naplaćivati godišnje, pa će cela Srbadija lepo da pređe na Linux.

Мислиш пословна Србадија? Нама бедницима који користимо зна-се-коју верзију виндоуза не могу ништа. Зар не?

Pa šta znam, ja koristim kupljeni Windows 7, kupio majci Windows 10 i Office neki noviji ali ogoljeni. Ne razmišlja mi se o piratisanju.

A poslovna Srbadija će možda i da ostane na Windowsu. Poslovni programi su pisani za Windows.

Pa nije u tome stvar, ovaj win10 je kanta, bolje radi win7 na mom prastarom lenovo t500 sa c2d procesorom i 4gb ddr3 (ima ssd doduše) nego na najnovijem ryzen 5 4gb ddr4 koji bi realno trebalo da pojede ovog c2d. I da sam ga platio opet bi mi muljao 150 procesa u pozadini, slao kojekakve podatke i komunicirao sa ko zna kojim serverima konstantno. I u pravu si, treba svi da pređemo na linux i rešen problem, jedino je gejming upitan, al' zato postoji džejlbrejkovani ps4.

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Ako ne budeš umeo da isključiš defender na način kako ti je Aknaton rekao, onda nadji na netu ovaj program - Disable Win Tracking. Koliko se sećam, u ponudjenim opcijama ima da se zaustavi defender, pa nek on to uradi, da se ne patiš, ako nisi siguran šta radiš... Mali je program, intuitivan, lak za korišćenje.

Mislim da i u ovom programu ima mogućnost zaustavljanja defendera... Destroy Windows 10 Spying (DWS).

Usput uz pomoć ova dva programčića koliko-toliko uštrojiš špijunske aktivnosti. Mislim, ima još programa za te stvari, ali ova dva bi ti trebalo biti dosta. Totalno zaustavljanje špijunskih aktivnosti Win 10 mogao bi samo Sauron da izvede :)

Ma samo da ga aktiviram, instaliram dve tri igre i da se kurtališem. Kažem, pogasio sam sve moguće opcije u defenderu ručno ali nisam znao da se posle restarta vraća. Evo ovog uputstva što sam dobio, možda nekome bude od koristi.

https://www.windowscentral.com/how-permanently-disable-windows-defender-windows-10

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Quote from: mac on 20-10-2018, 21:38:11
Pa šta znam, ja koristim kupljeni Windows 7, kupio majci Windows 10 i Office neki noviji ali ogoljeni. Ne razmišlja mi se o piratisanju.

Има се може се!

Šta onda reći za one koji kupuju Office 365, čija se licenca kupuje svake godine (ali zato imaš sve najnovije, i pun paket čudesa)? Ovo ja kupio jednom, i više ne razmišljam o tome. Kao neki poklon, koji se kupi samo jednom.

pa i kad si neoliberal, neoliberal si samo jednom!

ta ce 10
ja jos na xp

Dobro bre, ne može ni kafa da se popije a da M$ nekome ne pokvari dan. Legalni, tj kupljeni windows jeste u planu da se potera u cloud i da se aktivira godišnje. Neoliberalna govna su to, prvi je sa time počeo adobe, krenuli ostali jer im se isplati. Rešenje? LTSC ako nam Pendžeri trebaju. To što će neko sada da kmeči o legalnosti i ostalim neloberalnim tricama i kučinama, neka kmeči. Kod mene windows ide samo piratski. Da glumim "vrlinu" i plaćam godišnju pretplatu nemam nameru. Ujedno, što da moje pare idu za punjenje džepova japi hipstera iz Redmonda? Ili za bakšiš onima koji su i krivci zašto se Windows, ali i gomile ostalih programa vuče na najnovijem hardveru? Gomile kopi pastera, koji pojma nemaju o optimizaciji i debagovanju, ali zato predstavljaju neko mudo u IT-u? Uostalom, koliko je ozbiljan M$, govori i to da mu 99% tehničke podrške čine Pakiji, Afgani, Hindiji i Arapi, koji na svako korisničko pitanje vrte korisnika u krug dok mu ne dosadi pa razbije komp u komade. Adobe je isti, Corel takođe. Svi duvaju u istu tikvu i tretiraju korisnike kao krave muzare, koje eto moraju da plaćaju, ali zato ne treba da znaju ništa o gomili đubreta koje se naziva softverom. Alo, bre, njihovi "pametnjakovići" savetuju da se ako program ne radi, menja ram, hard disk, ssd, grafička......

uvidjam slicnost izmedju microsofta bobana i ghoula
stalno neke nove verzije postojeceg...bolje vrednije skuplje...

a nama treba samo xp sp3

protiv sam originala jer im je ista cijena ogromna...cak i ako prodje fora...tojest vrijeme...godine...
osim toga slicna mu je cijena i u bogatoj svici i njujorku i u jagodini
to nije u redu

     Windows XP dies final death as Embedded POSReady 2009 reaches end of life (https://www.techrepublic.com/article/windows-xp-dies-final-death-as-embedded-posready-2009-reaches-end-of-life/)     

stoka kapitalisticko imperijalisticka
xp sasvim solidno radi

drugo su novi kompjuteri koji se kupe sa novim softverom

stari kompovi i dalje dobro rade s XP za neprezahtjevne korisnike

Pa, može i dalje da se koristi samo neće više za XP da prave bezbednosne apdejte.

Ako neki novi softver koristi funkcionalnost koja je uvedena u novom Windowsu onda taj novi softver neće da radi na starom Windowsu. Tako je vazda bilo, i biće vo vjeki vjekov.

Win7 može da se instalira na bukvalno 75% mašina na kojima je win xp. Pritom je lepši, stabilniji, i podržan od svih software developera, za razliku od xp. One mašine koje iz nekog razloga nemaju snage da teraju win7, nemaju upotrebnu vrednost. Svaki mobilni telefon od 50e ima jači hardver od nekog dual core računara iz 2008 godine. Taj računar ne može da potera youtube u rezoluciji većoj od 480p, a i to je mučenje, niti video fajlove koji su kompresovani i upakovani nekim modernim kodecima i metodama koje tadašnji procesori i video karte ne podržavaju, ili se muče sa njima. O igranju da ne pričamo. Dakle, možeš da ga koristiš na crt monitoru niske rezolucije, puštaš mp3 na njemu, i gledaš divikse od pre 10-15 godina. Ne možeš ni da surfuješ kako treba jer mnogi sajtovi neće da se prikažu na tim starim pretraživačima koje možeš da instaliraš na xp, a i ovi što se prikazuju prikazuju se sporo, procesor zakucan u 100% i slično. Prema tome, ta kuknjava za winXP veze nema sa životom. Instaliraj win 7 i ne k*njaj. Ako ne može, baci tu mašinu u prvi kontejner.

Питам се и зашто ми десетка спорије ради од седмице...А седмицу имам на старом лаптопу, десетку на новом. Има ли то можда везе са РАМ меморијом која је јача на старом?

Količina RAM-a je izuzetno bitna. Svaki operativni sistem ima nekakav minimalni zahtev po pitanju RAM-a, ali da bi udobno radio treba ti bar duplo od tog minimalnog.

хвала мек, то је онда то.

Nisam pratio da li je neko ranije pomenuo, ali danas je jeftino instalirati Windows na neki SSD drajv, trebalo bi da to ubrza rad. E sad ako su samo laptopovi u pitanju...

Ne damo xp

Не знам што су људи толико запели за тај икс-пе, мени је седмица мооого боља.

Pa samo labud, niko više.

Виђао сам то и на другим форумима где су људи запели и неће да га се одрекну иако им многи програми на њему не раде. Шта ти је моћ навике.

Meni sve radi na xp
A nece na windows 7

Zadnji put kad sam gledao 1/3 je jos na xp

ipak je ispod 10%
ali proporcionalno je to mnogo
koliko ljudi ce za 15 godina koristiti sedmicu ili desetku???
u srbiji 5%
u bih 2% udio xp
znaci...zemun

  Microsoft hints at new features and big changes coming in Windows 11 (https://bgr.com/2019/05/29/windows-11-release-date-features-details/)

Quote
Parker says the foundation of the modern OS will be enablers ("that deliver the foundational experiences customers expect from their devices") and delighters ("that deliver innovative human centric experiences"). Enablers consist of seamless updates that occur in the background without any interruptions, comprehensive protection from malicious attacks, the ability to be connected to Wi-Fi and 5G at all times, and sustained performance.

Delighters, on the other hand, are what elevate the experience of actually using an OS. Cloud connectivity, intelligent AI, multi-sense interaction, and something Parker calls "form factor agility," which is quite a buzz-phrase. Finally, here is an interesting quote from Parker about the so-called modern OS from Microsoft:

Microsoft Issues Warning For 800M Windows 10 Users (https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2019/06/29/microsoft-windows-10-upgrade-registry-warning-upgrade-windows/#541b8fa471ef)

QuoteWhat Microsoft confirms it did was quietly switch off Registry backups in Windows 10 eight months ago, despite giving users the impression this crucial safeguarding system was still working. As Ghacks spotted at the time, Registry backups would show "The operation completed successfully", despite no backup file being created.

(...)

"Starting in Windows 10, version 1803, Windows no longer automatically backs up the system registry to the RegBack folder. If you browse to the WindowsSystem32configRegBack folder in Windows Explorer, you will still see each registry hive, but each file is 0kb in size."


(...)


So why has Microsoft done this? In the company's own words: "to help reduce the overall disk footprint size of Windows". And how big is a registry backup? Typically 50-100MB.


(...)



In an extremely belated attempt to put things right, Microsoft has detailed a workaround. Ironically, it involves editing the registry but this will undoubtedly have come too late for users who, in their hour of need, discovered the registry backups Windows 10 told them were "completed successfully" were nothing of the sort.

Ludaci.

Moraćemo da uvedemo nešto kao "Mehmetovo pravilo": kada Mehmet koristi JEDNU funkciju neke softverske aplikacije, vlasnik te aplikacije će tu funkciju u jednom od narednik apdejta ukinuti.


Microsoft is Killing EPUB Support in Edge Classic (https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/web-browsers/microsoft-edge/213350/microsoft-is-killing-epub-support-in-edge-classic) 

Jebote, epub fajlovi su praktično HTML, dakle ono što je brauzer napravljen da čita. I sad kad hoću na poslu da otvorim epub, moraću da ponovo prekopavam po katastrofalnoj windows prodavnici i nadam se nekoj krštenoj aplikaciji... Jebo ih Satja Nadela.

Xp sp3 rastura

Ako nema dodatak za Edge ili standalone, možda ima dodatak za neki drugi brauzer.

пре два дана ми радио апдејт виндоуза једно 70 минута. Не примећујем неку велику разлику осим што су убацили едитор VisualStudio Code. Знате ли нешто више о овом апдејту?

Jel uspeo neko na ovim novim verzijama win 10 da zaobiđe zaštitu i aktivira narodnjaka ms office? Nešto mi ne ide, kako god da ubijem defender, on mi obriše aktivator čim ubodem fleš.

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