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Do All Christians Suck?
By Scott, edited by N.
I know what you're thinking. You're reading along flooded with thoughts of,
"Well, this certainly does not apply to me!" and "The people who go to my
church are good people, he's talking about those other Christians," or maybe
even, "Christians make mistakes just like everyone else, we're not perfect."
Let me begin by saying, sure some Christians suck more than others and it is
unlikely that you are one of those Christians that suck the most. I disagree
with your contention that you don't suck at all, however. Assuming you are
following all of the guidelines outlined in How to be a Good Christian,
there are still some problems:
a.. Problem 1: The Existential Problem. By being a Christian, you have
created the illusion that there is something innately good about being a
Christian. While you are making your happy little statement about your
belief, the nut in the back row is saying, "That guy is a Christian. He must
believe in the teachings of Christianity. My beliefs are based on
Christianity. That guy must believe that I am right to believe the things
that I believe! I better go beat up that queer..." You say you don't like
the way those other Christians do things and yet you go around saying, "I am
a Christian." How often do you you clarify this statement with, "...who
believes [insert your non-sucking beliefs here]." Rarely. Why? Because
that's a real pain. Why don't you call yourself something else? Really.
Every time you say, "I am a Christian," or go to church, or whatever else,
you are lending legitimacy to the institution which you are trying to
distance yourself from. You are contributing to the problem in this regard.
b.. Problem 2: You Think You Are, But You're Not. You can define a
Christian any way you want to, but ultimately there are certain criteria for
determining whether you are one that are much better than other criteria. I
could say that anyone who wears Mickey Mouse ears on their head is a
Christian, but that would be untrue. If you don't believe that God came to
earth in the form of Jesus and died for your sins, you are not a Christian.
("Christ" means the guy who was god and died for our sins, so how can you
have Christianity without Christ?) If you don't believe in the Christian
God, but you do believe in a superior being of some sort, you are not a
Christian. Why do you keep saying you are a Christian? Because you don't
even know what you are talking about. Please learn. You have potential!
c.. Problem 3: The Interpretation Problem. You have determined that your
interpretation of the Bible makes God good, makes Jesus good, and makes you
good. Unfortunately, you have no good reason to accept those parts while
rejecting the part that makes God bad, makes Jesus bad, and makes Christian
ethics bad. "Obviously," you say, "that part about God killing Jews for
building a fire incorrectly is just a myth, as is the part where Jesus says
that he has come only to help Jews," but then you say, "Jesus died for my
sins and he loves me!" Hello?! Why is one more rational to accept than the
other? If you want to reject supernatural silliness, then reject it all. If
that is the case, then no one died for your sins and you aren't a Christian!
If you want to accept it, then accept it all! Similarly, if the things
written in the gospel that say, "Jesus said this," are really what Jesus
said, then any statement written in the gospels that says, "Jesus said
this," is what he said. To me, this is so self-evident to be ludicrous. If
you want to accept what he said in verse X of gospel A, then why do you
reject what he said in verse Y of gospel A? I can certainly see throwing out
an entire book. Let's get rid of the Old Testament, for example. Obvious
silliness. Let's ditch everything that Paul wrote. Also ludicrous and from a
guy who never even met Jesus in person. Revelations? Silly! Song of Solomon?
Pagan! Now then, you want to keep those books? Then accept the whole book.
You can't say, "Oh, but the Jesus we believe in would not have been like
that," because the only evidence you have for the Jesus you believe in is in
the Bible! (This leads you to the existential problem above, because another
Christian may decide to take the parts you don't like as a part of the Bible
that's "good" and then, "woops!", a million Jews/gypsies/homosexuals/[insert
your favorite minority group here] are dead.)
d.. Problem 4: I Don't Believe in the Supernatural Content of
Christianity, but I Consider Myself to be a Christian Because I Follow a
Christian Ethic. William Shakespeare said, "Even the devil can cite
scripture for his purpose." Ya, sure, let's take the Bible as a whole.
That's great. We did that! There is just as much "good" as "evil" in the
Christian ethic. Once again, you are simply holding on to the particular
parts that you like, rejecting the rest, and calling that "Christianity."
It's not. What you have is You-ism, which is a derivative of the good parts
of Christianity. "I base my ethic on the teachings of Jesus, and he was all
good. An extra-ordinary man of great wisdom." Ya, ya. Jesus had charisma,
but that's about it. He was just a rabbi. He didn't say anything that
another rabbi hadn't said before. He had a bad temper. He was mean and
ethnocentric (that's a bigot, by the way). Once again, you must pick and
choose among his teachings to come up with a "good" ethic. You are not a
follower of the teachings of Jesus, but rather a person who has been exposed
to alot of things, including what he says in the gospels, and you have
derived your own ethic. Stop calling yourself a Christian. (see the
existential problem above.)
e.. Problem 5: My Denomination is Good, the Others Suck. Oh, really.
You'll pardon me while I wait for your behavior to prove you wrong. Assuming
that the real problem you're up against is not one of the above, you will
soon be doing something that really annoys me, like trying to keep the
holidays religious. I was at a church the other day hanging out, and this
woman was explaining to a group of women with preschoolers how to do just
that. Guess what? There are no Christian holidays. They're all stolen from
either Jews or pagans. Next you'll be helping the poor of [insert your
favorite third world nation here] by sending them food (and some
missionaries to convert them). If you want to send food, send food. Send it
anonymously. That's the only way to separate the goodness of the gift from
your political goal of Christian empire. The only denomination that even
comes close to being "good" is probably the Methodists. So if you're a
Methodist, I hope you feel a little bit better, but only a little. You're
still a death worshipping cannibal in my book.
Having read this, I hope you have been able to come to the conclusion that
you suck less. Have a great day.
Quote from: "Ghoul"komi, jebote - BOGA NEMA!
gubljenje je vremena uopste razmisljati, citati, pisati o necemu tako ociglednom: nema jalovije teme od ateizma. It's flogging a dead horse.
bolje citaj nesto pametnije i za zivot korisnije.
komi, ti ocito ne pravis razliku izmedju ateizma i antiklerikalizma.
boga nema. u gornjem textu se o njemu ne govori.
u textu se govori o religiji zvanoj hriscanstvo, i njenim vernicima.
oni POSTOJE.
oni su u crno zavili zapadnu civilizaciju.
o tome se govori.
ili cuti.
da sam ghoul branio bih se najmoćnijim oružjem= šutnjom
ali nisam :cry:
If you don't believe that God came to
earth in the form of Jesus and died for your sins, you are not a Christian.
i šta ovo predstavlja
All people suck more or less, Christians are no exception.
Čisto da se zna, to je bio moj petstoti post, a ovo je već petsto prvi.
Quote from: Harvester on 23-06-2004, 04:22:07
Čisto da se zna, to je bio moj petstoti post, a ovo je već petsto prvi.
Harvi, ne oftopikuj!
Ovo je moj deset hiljada devetsto osamdeset četvrti post.