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Objavili prvi deo Viteza, u prevodu Darka Tusevljakovica. Ziveli!
Svaka čast.
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Objavili prvi deo Viteza, u prevodu Darka Tusevljakovica. Ziveli!
Evo ga
Vitez na stolu, čeka da završim
Osmicu !
Ne znam da li sam se vise odusevio kad sam procitao ovu vest ili kad sam kliknuo na link i video da je Okean objavio i Alasdira Greja, autora jedne od najjacih knjiga koje procitah u zivotu svome - Lanark (na preporuku iz prikaza pokojnog Ljubomira Damnjanovica).
Sjajno, alal vera !!!
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Objavili prvi deo Viteza, u prevodu Darka Tusevljakovica. Ziveli!
Evo ga Vitez na stolu, čeka da završim Osmicu !
Obići ću te uskoro... U pratnji velikog ranca. :lol:
Pročitah Viteza. Dobar.
Wolfeovski zbunjuje na momente, al to mu dođe kao kompliment.
Samo mi nije jasan kraj, jer je presečen ko sekirčetom.
Možda su izdali knjigu u 2 toma, kao Gormengast što izdaju...
Cory Doctorow (//www.locusmag.com/2006/Issues/07DoctorowCommentary.html) lepo kaže u svojoj kolumni u Locusu, "SF je jedina literarura koju ljudi dovoljno cene da bi je krali preko interneta"
Zašto onda ja ne mogu da nađem ove knjige? :cry:
Nema ih. Ja sam morao da ih pre nekoliko meseci narucim iz Kanade. Obe, naravno.
Ima 2 dela, drugi najesen, naslov je isti ali je red reci drugaciji i to je taj opus.
A ja pisem o Vulfu i Vitezu u temi o Simonsu... Viteza kupujem obavezno. Dobro je da ima samo dva dela... izuzetak u poplavi megaserijala.
koji je redosled knjiga u ciklusu Dugog sunca a koji u Novom suncu? Onaj prvi davno citah a drugi mi jos nije pao saka.
Redosled Novog sunca:
Senka mucitelja
Kandza pomiritelja
Mac liktora
Citadela autarha
I URT NOVOG SUNCA?
Da URT NOVOG SUNCA je poslednji iz tog ciklusa.
A ovaj drugi ciklus ni ja nisam čitao. Verovatno je na ovom sajtu ranije dosta pisano o tome, ali i mene zanima koliko je knjiga u tom ciklusu, koje su, ko ih je kod nas objavio, kada, vredi li to, ima li još da se nađe i sl?
Dugo sunce...
Da probam da se setim...
Mislim da je prva -Jezero dugog sunca
Druga - Kalde dugog sunca
a poslednja, sasvim sigurno - Egzodus sa Dugog sunca...
Ima jos jedne knjige, ali se ne secam.
Da. Urt Novog sunca... zaboravljam... godine :wink: .
Jok, prva knjiga je Nocna strana - Dugo sunce
druga je jezero a treca su kalde. Kratko sunce bi trebalo da nastavlja pricu dugog sunca, glavni lik je jedan od onih koji su pobegli sa sveta dugog sunca.
Hvala. Imam te knjige na Živkovicevom cd-u a nigde redosleda, osim po abecedi. A od toga nikakve koristi zar ne? :?: Jos ako mi neko da redosled Donaldsonovih romana... :lol:
...ne zaboravimo da pohvalimo izdavachku kucu OKEAN koja nenametljivo ali istrajno pokushava da domacoj publici predstavi i vredniju, pamertniju pa samim tim i neophodniju stranu anglosaksonskog best-sellera :idea: :idea: :idea: :idea: :idea:
...svaka chast za hrabri odmak od chesto ziheraskog izdavachkog pristupa LAGUNE
Quote from: "gargamel"Hvala. Imam te knjige na Živkovicevom cd-u a nigde redosleda, osim po abecedi. A od toga nikakve koristi zar ne? :?: Jos ako mi neko da redosled Donaldsonovih romana... :lol:
Kob poglavara Kletnika
Rat Zlozemlja
Moć očuvanja
Ranjena Domaja
Jedino drvo
Nosilac belog zlata
Quote from: "High Duke"Jok, prva knjiga je Nocna strana - Dugo sunce
druga je jezero a treca su kalde. Kratko sunce bi trebalo da nastavlja pricu dugog sunca, glavni lik je jedan od onih koji su pobegli sa sveta dugog sunca.
Zar to Kratko sunce postoji? Nesto sam trazio - davno, doduse - na internetu, ali nisam naleteo na te naslove...
Evo ih ispred mene :) jos ih nisam procitao, doduse, prvo bih procitao i Dugo sunce u originalu:
On Blue's Waters
In Green's Jungles
Return of the Whorl
Inace, za Varvarina, Soldier of the Mist i Soldier of Arete su izasli i zajedno kao Latro in the Mist i jako se lepo citaju. A trebalo bi uskoro da se pojavi i treca knjiga, ali tu informaciju nisam proverio.
Hvala, Melkor!
Sad još da se nađe dobrodušni prevodilac, na primer za LAGUNU...
Quote from: "Melkor"Evo ih ispred mene :) jos ih nisam procitao, doduse, prvo bih procitao i Dugo sunce u originalu:
On Blue's Waters
In Green's Jungles
Return of the Whorl
Da li se u tom nastavku objasnjava ko je citav onaj svet smestio u Svitak, ili je to i dalje ostavljeno nasoj masti? I ko su oni bogovi, uopste?
Vidis da covek rece da nije jos procitao. Zapravo nisam sreo nikoga ko ih je procitao. Eh sto nemam karticu pa da mogu da kupujem sa neta...
(bankrotirao bih krajnje brzo)
E da, sto se tice dugog sunca, na amazonu se nastavci zovu Epiphany of Long Sun i Lithany of Long Sun, i to je ceo ciklus, koji je kod nas izdat kao 4 knjige (ispravite me)
Inace, Short Sun i ja cekam da procitam, posle Long Sun. Short sun se sastoji od tri nabrojane knjige, znaci kod nas ce biti prevedeno u min. 5 komada .
Urt of New Sun ide kao neka vrsta neobaveznog nastavka New Sun. Meni je Long Sun bio daleko bolji od New, mada sam New Sun citao kao klinac i procitacu ga ponovo...secam se da je jedna knjiga bila super, sledeca dosadna i tako par nepar.
Ono sto bih voleo je da uzmem Latro in the Mist, prica se desava u doba Rima i govori se o vojniku koji nema pamcenje ali zato komunicira sa bogovima. Prvobitno izdato kao 2 dela...
Na zapadu imaju, za nase izdavace, neobjasnjivu sklonost da stare dobre klasike grupisu u sto manje knjiga te ih tako ucine dostupnijim kupcima (i izmuzu jos para na tu foru, ali necete videti mene kako se bunim, zbog toga). To jesu i u originalu cetiri knjige i kod nas su i objavljene kako treba. New Sun sam uspeo da nabavim u tom grupisanom izdanju ( Golancova Fantasy Masterworks serija) a za Long Sun cu izgleda morati da se oslonim na amazon ali tu se preprecavaju pitanja finansija, prioriteta i jos nekih sitnica koje kvare zivot ljubitelja fantastike u ovoj zemlji.
Inace, za prosli sajam knjiga Plato se neuobicajeno otvorio za Vulfa te izneo i Latra i par zbirki kratkih prica (sto sam sve procitao sa velikim uzivanjem) s tim sto su, uobicajeno za Plato, sve to nabavili u 1-2 primerka, te ti je nada ili sledeci sajam ili dugi i mucni pregovori sa mnom oko adekvatne kompenzacije koja bi ti omogucila da to procitas :twisted:
PS Ne desava se u doba Rima, tj Rim jos nista ne znaci na mapi Evrope, u pitanju su Grcko-Persijski ratovi.
Jel kratko sunce izaslo na srpskom?
jel ima iko odgovor na ovo pitanje??? :x :x :x
nije.
jesi li sad srećniji? :(
ne bash... :x :x :x ali barem dobih odgovor :x :x :x
naizad sam kupio prvih pet delova :evil: :evil: :evil: jedva cekam da pocnem da citam :evil: :evil: :evil:
http://www.blackgate.com/2010/11/23/and-it-goes-on-from-there-an-interview-with-gene-wolfe/ (http://www.blackgate.com/2010/11/23/and-it-goes-on-from-there-an-interview-with-gene-wolfe/)
eto, naziv topika se ovaplotio, kao, možda:
QuoteGene Wolfe:
I am working on The Land Across right now. I don't have any plans for a multi-volume series, but if one happens, then it happens.
Me: Well! Tell us about The Land Across!!!
There's a young man. His father is dead – or he believes his father is dead. He's grown up all over the world, because his father was in the State Department. He has written a travel book about Austria. English is his cradle language, but he picked up others – some German, French, and Japanese – when he lived in those countries.
He decides to write another book about a different European country, "on the other side of the mountain," from Austria. This country is a surreal Balkan nation, formerly under the Communist government, anciently invaded by the Turks, completely fictional.
The young man is arrested as soon as he enters this country. His passport is taken, his luggage is taken. The police there bring him to the house of a man they do not like – this is the kind of thing the police do – and explain to him that he is to live in the man's house. He must sleep there every night; should he escape, his host will be shot. And they give him as a little hint:
"If you don't like the food, you can threaten to escape."
And it goes on from there.
Me: I love when you say that, Gene. "And it goes on from there." I've heard you say that so many times right at the most interesting part of a story.
QuoteSo, did the Urth of the New Sun series begin as a darkly literate intentional parody and subversion of the Sword & Sorcery tradition, or am I just reading it that way?
Gene Wolfe:
No, it did not. At the beginning of that whole series, I simply wanted to write a short story or novelette for Orbit. I was at some Con down in Chicago and Bob Tucker grabbed me and dragged me to this panel on costuming, which I would not normally have attended, so he'd have someone to talk to. As I listened to this panel of professional costumers, I started sulking a little that none of my characters had ever been made into costumes.
And then I realized I'd never written a character that would make a good costume – so whose fault was that? I started listening to these people and thinking up a costume people could make easily and enjoy wearing.
Black boots – nothing easier.
Black trousers – ditto.
No shirt.
Black cloak – for beans you can make a black cloak.
A mask. A big sword.
And I thought – who is this guy? The answer was obvious. He's an executioner.
I started writing this thing and it kept getting longer and longer. I thought – this is going to be a novella! And it got longer and longer. A novel! And it got longer and longer, until it was a trilogy. Only the third book was 50% longer than the previous two books. My publisher thought that I should divide it into two books and build each book up. Sell more books that way!
That's what I did. If you look in the third book, you will find a storytelling contest that's strictly padding. That contest got me a really good review in Playboy Magazine – and I've always been grateful to it for that reason.
QuoteGENE WOLFE'S TOP FIVE PIECES OF WRITERLY ADVICE
1.) Get up early and write.
2.) Read what you're trying to write, for Godsakes! (Don't read enormous fantasy series if you're trying to write short stories.)
3.) Remember that it is characterizing that puts your story heads and shoulders over the others in the slush pile.
4.) You do not characterize by telling the reader about the character. You do it by showing the character thinking, speaking and acting in a characteristic way. You simply show it and shut up.
5.)Do not start a story unless you have an ending in mind. You can change the story's ending if you wish, but you should always have a destination.
Quote5.)Do not start a story unless you have an ending in mind. You can change the story's ending if you wish, but you should always have a destination.
Moj najveći problem.
Kreneš na Himalaje a usput se oduševiš Kavkazom i Kaspijskim more. I, šta sad? Jebeš Himalaje...
Quote from: zakk on 24-11-2010, 20:43:58
He decides to write another book about a different European country, "on the other side of the mountain," from Austria. This country is a surreal Balkan nation, formerly under the Communist government, anciently invaded by the Turks, completely fictional.
:cry:
Pa ovo je... ja ne znam... najgori cinizam prema neupućenoj osobi koja sluša.
Ja ipak više volim njegova ranija dela, i to što ranija to bolje. Ima li ovde ljubitelja prvenca,
Peace? Nije baš žanrovska fantastika ali je genijalno i bogohulno zanemareno.
Volim ja Peace, a The Fifth Head of Cerberus (mali antropološki biser) još više. I slažem se da su mu ranija dela bolja. Koliko me je New Sun oduševio, toliko me je Long Sun smorio.
Gene Wolfe talks dystopian futures, and the chances of star-drive in our lifetime, za IO9
http://io9.com/5736063/gene-wolfe-talks-dystopian-futures-and-the-chances-of-star+drive-in-our-lifetime (http://io9.com/5736063/gene-wolfe-talks-dystopian-futures-and-the-chances-of-star+drive-in-our-lifetime)
Hoce li neko od nasih izdavaca prevoditi nesto od Volfa, osim onog gore pomenutog?
Zaista genijalan pisac.
hvala
Uzo čitam Džina Vulfa, čitao sinoć Kandžu pomiritelja, vele unutra da će lozinka biti "pelagijska argosija ugleda kopno", ka se setim da je postojao bend koji se zvao Pelagijska argosija, krenem tražim, naletim na neki reddit sa gomilom čudnih klipova, između ostalog i klip gde lik jede kamenac iz kako on kaže boljera.
Hvala Džine Vulfe!