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Title: Okupacija
Post by: Tex Murphy on 24-02-2007, 23:02:42
Šta mislite da li bi u neko dogledno vrijeme bilo moguće da se izvrši aneksija Bosne i Hercegovine od strane neke druge države, npr. Austrije? Zanima me koji su potrebni i dovoljni uslovi da se tako jedna država pripoji drugoj. Da li bi proces bio olakšan ako bi se na prostoru Bosne pojavila neka domaća politička partija čija bi programska platforma bila upravo ta aneksija? Ako bi taj proces ikako mogao da se izvrši, ja bih bio spreman da se bacim u politiku.
Takođe je bitno pitanje da li u austrijskim političkim krugovima postoji interes da se takva aneksija izvrši. Jes' da bi dobili najprimitivniji kraj u regionu, ali bar bi se dočepali i nekoliko decimetara morske obale, pa bi svoje babe mogli da šalju u Neum da izliječe reumatizam.
Title: Okupacija
Post by: Meho Krljic on 24-02-2007, 23:17:17
Mislim da je to prevaziđen koncept time što je EU postala stvarnost a ne samo mašta. Stisni zube, Harvi, još koja decenija...
Title: Okupacija
Post by: lilit on 24-02-2007, 23:20:56
Mi smo probali da to odradimo jos pre 93 godine, ali spreciste nas.
Sad vise nemamo interesa, posto nam je italijanska obala bliza i od Neuma i one tragedije od Hotela Neum.
Title: Okupacija
Post by: Ghoul on 24-02-2007, 23:31:48
Quote from: "Meho Krljic"Stisni zube, Harvi, još koja decenija...
...i raspisivaćete referendum za otcepljivanje od velike srbije.
Title: Okupacija
Post by: Kastor on 25-02-2007, 02:50:15
Harvi, otvori Hostel u Neumu i uživaj  :evil:
Title: Okupacija
Post by: crippled_avenger on 25-02-2007, 06:00:29
Bosna je zrela za medjunarodne snage!

Jew challenges Bosnia presidency ban


19 February 2007 | 09:45 | Source: Jerusalem Post


SARAJEVO - A Bosnian Jew has petitioned to end ban on members of?minorities running for Bosnian presidency.?Jakob Finci, the leader of Sarajevo's small Jewish community, has asked?the European Court of Human Rights to lift the prohibition on Jews and?other minorities running for the Bosnian presidency.?Under the country's post-war constitution, only Bosnian Serbs and Croats,?who are overwhelmingly Catholic and Christian Orthodox, respectively, and?Bosniaks, who are Muslim, are allowed to run for presidency. Bosnia has?three presidents, each representing one of Bosnia's principal constituent?groups.?


"We understand that Mr. Finci wants the equal right to vote and be voted?for, but unfortunately this is not the case -? Bosnia's ambassador to?Israel, Nedeljko Maslesa, told The Jerusalem Post on Friday - The Bosnian?government is aware of the case, but has no official position on it."?


The Minority Rights Group International in London and Sheri Rosenberg,?director of the program in Holocaust and Human Rights Studies at Yeshiva?University's Benjamin N. Cordozo Law school in New York, are supporting?Finci's application. "As far as [we] are aware, there is no other case in?Europe where Jews are actually prevented from contesting the presidency"?an official from the Minority Rights Group said in a statement.?


"Ironically, the Bosnian constitution is a modern day creation, but de?facto reinforces centuries-old discrimination."



There are about 500 Jews?living in Bosnia-Herzegovina.?"On the basis of the Dayton Accords, our constitution acknowledges the?rights of the designated Bosnian peoples -?a senior Bosnian official told?the Post - The Dayton Accords have placed difficult obstacles in front of?the government that can seem impractical, but the point remains that?changing the constitution would prove very difficult. All three groups?would have to agree on it."?


Finci's lawyer, Clive Baldwin, who heads the Minority Rights Groups'?international advocacy efforts, believes the Bosnian constitution violates?the Geneva Convention as well as the Universal Declaration of Human?Rights. "The upper house as well as the presidency ban minority groups,?and only recognize the legitimacy of the 'designated peoples of Bosnia,'?which grants them superior status -?Baldwin told the Post from London -?Jews are classified by the state as 'others.' The labelling of any?minority group as 'other' is discriminatory by itself," he said.



The US?and the EU have not shown any interest in changing the constitution that?they, along with the Russians, French and British, drew up 12 years ago at?the Dayton Accords negotiations. Baldwin said the accords succeeded in?ending the fighting in the former Yugoslavia, but did so by concentrating?on the large groups while ignoring minority interests.?Finci told the Post that basic human rights that are protected by the UN?are being ignored in Bosnia-Herzegovina. The Bosnian constitution?stipulates that UN human rights agencies must have full access to?information about the human rights situation in Bosnia, a clause which?Finci is trying to use to his advantage.?Finci's concerns have been expressed within Bosnian circles as well.?


Suljeman Tihic, a former Bosniak president, has called for constitutional?changes, especially with regard to human rights.?"The government of Bosnia-Herzegovina plans to take on the issue of?constitutional changes - Maslesa said - The reason that the changes have?not been adopted as of yet is due to the fact that national issues and?religious issues are very sensitive and require an absolute consensus."?


According to Bosnian officials, "The Bosnian government is working hard to?get closer to European Union membership, and therefore all documents and?laws will be reconciled to the standards required by the EU."


"However, the case of Mr. Finci is special,"? - one official continued -? "Mr.?Finci is the director of the state agency for employees in Sarajevo, and?is using the issue for gain.?You must keep in mind that Jews still have a lot of power in?Bosnia-Herzegovina and that there are other positions besides the?presidency."
Title: Hm...
Post by: Tex Murphy on 25-02-2007, 09:04:15
Bosna ima taj rogobatan sistem tročlanog predsjedništva sa rotirajućim predsjednikom iz očiglednog razloga - kad bi bio one president to rule them all (i one man, one vote), jasno je koje bi nacionalnosti taj predsjednik uvijek bio. Bošnjaci se bore kicking and screaming za tog jednog predsjednika. Možda je dobro rješenje ukidanje tročlanog predsjedništva i uvođenje institucije predsjednika, ali npr. da nijedan od tri konstitutivna naroda nema pravo na svog kandidata, odnosno da predsjednik mora da bude Jevrej. Benefit bi bio ogroman. Takođe, neko je nekad spomenuo da Jevreji hoće da osnuju svoju državu u Evropi. Ako je to tačno, bilo bi sjajno da im se prostor Bosne i Hercegovine velikodušno ustupi.
Title: Okupacija
Post by: Meho Krljic on 25-02-2007, 09:55:54
Hehe, nisam ni znao za ovu zvrčku u bosanskom zakonodavstvu. Dakle, šta reći sem da je rešenje ponekad smešnije od problema... :lol:
Title: Okupacija
Post by: zakk on 25-02-2007, 13:10:27
QuoteThe first form of sandwich is attributed to the ancient Jewish sage Hillel the Elder, who is said to have put meat from the Paschal lamb and bitter herbs inside matzo (or flat bread) during Passover. The filling between the matzos served as a reminder to Israelites of their forced labor constructing Egyptian buildings.
mislim da bi bilo lepo imati izumitelje sendviča na vlasti :)