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FILMOVI, TV SERIJE, ANIMACIJE => FILMOVI => Topic started by: Lord Grejstok on 05-03-2007, 15:19:48

Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Lord Grejstok on 05-03-2007, 15:19:48
Nazalost jedini zanr koji izumire. Zanr koji je dao istinska remek dela sedme umetnosti i na kome su odrasle generacije i generacije.

Od Dzona Forda i Hauarda Hoksa preko Serdja Leonea i Sema Pekinpaha izlazili su legendarni filmovi, koji su davali i legendarne glumce(Dzon Vejn, Gari Kuper, Robert Micam, Klint Istvud...)
Neka od tih dela ladno ulaze na listu (recimo 20)najboljih filmova svih vremena: Bilo jednom na Divljem zapadu, Divlja horda, Tragaci, Neoprosteno, Dobar, los, zao.

Naravno i danas ima veliki broj poklonika, ali ljudi izgleda vise vole da se kunu u horor i akcione filmove.
Title: Re: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Ghoul on 05-03-2007, 16:48:00
Quote from: "Lord Grejstok"Nazalost jedini zanr koji izumire. ...

Naravno i danas ima veliki broj poklonika, ali ljudi izgleda vise vole da se kunu u horor i akcione filmove.

u ovakvim prilikama obično citiram f. ničea, pa nema razloga da to i ovog puta ne učinim:

''ONO ŠTO PADA TREBA JOŠ I ODGURNUTI!''

on je to rekao o hrišćanstvu, ali sasvim je primenjivo i na western.

mislim, ne vredi plakati nad prosutim mlijekom niti nad zastarelim žanrovima.
nisu svi univerzalni i vovjekivjekovni ko horor: neki tako kao western, dođu, prođu i odu u legendu.

sad, možemo da divanimo o tome ZAŠTO se westerni više ne prave i ne gledaju,ali imbecilno bi bilo kritikovati činjenicu da se, evidentno, NE prave i NE gledaju, i spočitavati da je to zato što publika ne zna šta valja.
mislim, ona to ne zna, inače ne bi bila publika, ali razlozi su mnogo dublji.
i ako me neko povuče za jezik, a meho ne pretekne, možda vam i kažem koji su.
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Meho Krljic on 05-03-2007, 16:57:32
Ćutaću kao zaliven. Nakon što kažem jednu reč (doduše složenicu): Deadwood.
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Lord Grejstok on 05-03-2007, 17:03:52
Niko i nema nameru da place. Ovako je bar zaokruzen usao u legendu, ne mora da dozivljava da ga srozavaju.

Ali Nice se zajebao za hriscanstvo, a mislim da on licno ne bi odgurnuo vestern da je mogao da vidi "Bilo jednom na Divljem zapadu"
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Cornelius on 05-03-2007, 17:07:51
Tacno, mozda bi se Nice onda angazovao kao glumac ili kaskader u vesternima. A mozda bi presao da peva kantri muziku obucen u sesir i cizme.
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: marlowe on 05-03-2007, 17:12:04
A brkove bi ostavio.
Title: Hm...
Post by: Tex Murphy on 05-03-2007, 17:24:31
Klint Istvud je istinska legenda, a Džon Vejn je iritantni lajavi desničarski fašistički krelac i mislim da ga zbog dobrog ukusa ne treba spominjati u ozbiljnoj diskusiji. I taj jedan jedini lik koji on igra u svakom svom filmu je smrad, jer zapravo glumi samog sebe. I njegovi filmovi su, da se ne zezamo, smijurija (ograđujem se od nekih poznatijih, koje još nisam smogao snage da pogledam, kao npr. Rio Bravo i Searchers, a nisam ih pogledao upravo zato što ne podnosim Džona Vejna). I uostalom, da se ne zezamo, Klint Istvud je najveće ime vesterna. Ne samo da je režirao najbolji vestern EVER, nego je još i glumio u njemu.
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Meho Krljic on 05-03-2007, 17:25:42
Mislim da izmiče pravo značenje Ničeove izjave. A to je da nema povratka u zlatno doba i da je najpoštenije što čovek može da uradi kad vidi pomisli da je ono nepovratno na zalasku (ako je ikada i postojalo, dodajem ja) da mu pomogne da što pre ode ne bi li se umesto patetičnim kukanjem nad uspomenama (često na stvari koje nikad nisu postjale) bavio nečim konstruktivnijim. Divan čovek beše... I kakve je tek brkove imao...
Title: Hm...
Post by: Tex Murphy on 05-03-2007, 17:27:23
Niče? Jel to onaj što reče da poljski Jevreji zaudaraju?
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Meho Krljic on 05-03-2007, 17:29:13
Ne znam za taj njegov citat. On je, kad su Jevreji u pitanju, poznatiji po tome što je sa Wagnerom prestao da se druži, između ostalog jer 'nije imao živaca za negov antisemitizam'.
Title: Hm...
Post by: Tex Murphy on 05-03-2007, 17:33:46
QuoteNe znam za taj njegov citat. On je, kad su Jevreji u pitanju, poznatiji po tome što je sa Wagnerom prestao da se druži, između ostalog jer 'nije imao živaca za negov antisemitizam'.

Naravno. Eto vidiš kako je taj Niče zao. Vagner nema živaca za njegov antisemitizam i šta uradi Niče? - Prestaje da se druži sa njim. Seljak.
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Meho Krljic on 05-03-2007, 17:44:01
:lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Odlična!!!

I još je na kraju seo i napisao knjigu protiv njega!!! Eee, da je Wagner imao vremena da se s tim bakće pa da je napravio operu protiv Ničea...
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Jake Chambers on 05-03-2007, 17:56:20
Hm... ja vesterne nikad nisam voleo, ali Bilo jednom na divljem zapadu... eh, to je film. Ali... tek s Kulom sam otkrio ukus za vesterne i taj aspekat Kule me je u stvari najviše i privukao. Jbg, sve umire.
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Ghoul on 05-03-2007, 18:07:14
usponi i padovi su normalan deo života svakog živog i fluidnog žanra.
na žalost, western nije naročito fluidan, pa ni živ (deadwood notwithstanding, valjda se ovde pričalo o filmovima), i kad mu je voz prošao – prošao je.
son cosas de la vida.

niče je, hvala bogu, 100% bio u pravu glede smrti boga i redundantnosti hrišćanstva (i svakog drugog monoteizma), i ono je danas tek polu-usmrdela riba zaostala na nekoj pustoj plaži kad se oseka povukla: njeno praćakanje svakako nije znak vitalnosti, već odbijanja da se pomiri sa realnošću: da u novoj sredini nema šta da traži.

niče bi, takođe, kao veliki ljubitelj dekadencije, sigurno veoma voleo špageti vesterne (kao što ih i ja volim!) i zabavljao se hipertrofijom žanrovskih postulata, psotupaka i ikonografije, te radikalno izmenjenom moralnošću u njima u odnosu na klasični, američki western.
Title: Hm...
Post by: Tex Murphy on 05-03-2007, 18:26:08
A da li bi se zabavljao sa mladim curicama koje još nisu poznale čovjeka?
Title: Re: Hm...
Post by: Cornelius on 05-03-2007, 18:43:49
Quote from: "Harvester"A da li bi se zabavljao sa mladim curicama koje još nisu poznale čovjeka?

I sa curicama i sa deckicima, uz tehno muziku i ekstazi, jer je bio ljubitelj dekadencije.
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Truba on 05-03-2007, 18:46:25
a šta bi niče rekao na jesus camp  :evil:
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Cornelius on 05-03-2007, 19:26:27
...a tek sta bi rekao da ga odvedu u kamp zvani Guca na trubace, krmetinu i ljutu rakiju.
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Ghoul on 05-03-2007, 19:50:00
Quote from: "Cornelius"...a tek sta bi rekao da ga odvedu u kamp zvani Guca na trubace, krmetinu i ljutu rakiju.

reko bi: zehr gutt, ja, ja, spritz meine swein mit motscha, ja...
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Cornelius on 05-03-2007, 20:10:22
...und eine schliwovitz, bitte!
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Alex on 05-03-2007, 20:20:27
QuoteNazalost jedini zanr koji izumire. Zanr koji je dao istinska remek dela sedme umetnosti i na kome su odrasle generacije i generacije.
Vestern ni slučajno ne izumire. Njemu je samo smanjena popularnost u matičnoj zemlji, pa zato sad ima manje holivudskih vestern filmova.

Ne može nešto da izumire skoro 40 godina a da ga još uvek ima u nezanemarljivim količinama. To je upravo dokaz suprotnog - neuništivosti i žilavosti!

Vesterna u stripu ima još dosta, hvala bogu (žanr nije vezan za samo jednu vrstu umetnosti, potsetimo se!) - u evropskom baš puno, u američkom manje (zbog smanjene ... ), ali ga ima (sveže vesti: Bernet za DC crta Heksa). Ima ga na televiziji, a čak i u jednoj Srbiji na svakom kiosku možete naći pulp vestern romane (Dok Holidej).

Quotesad, možemo da divanimo o tome ZAŠTO se westerni više ne prave i ne gledaju,ali imbecilno bi bilo kritikovati činjenicu da se, evidentno, NE prave i NE gledaju, i spočitavati da je to zato što publika ne zna šta valja.

Upravo to - publika je glupa a producenti još gluplji!

QuoteKlint Istvud je istinska legenda, a Džon Vejn je iritantni lajavi desničarski fašistički krelac i mislim da ga zbog dobrog ukusa ne treba spominjati u ozbiljnoj diskusiji. I taj jedan jedini lik koji on igra u svakom svom filmu je smrad, jer zapravo glumi samog sebe. I njegovi filmovi su, da se ne zezamo, smijurija (ograđujem se od nekih poznatijih, koje još nisam smogao snage da pogledam, kao npr. Rio Bravo i Searchers, a nisam ih pogledao upravo zato što ne podnosim Džona Vejna). I uostalom, da se ne zezamo, Klint Istvud je najveće ime vesterna. Ne samo da je režirao najbolji vestern EVER, nego je još i glumio u njemu.

Vejn je genijalac. Njegov način prirodne filmske glume zajednički je i za mnoge velike zvezde filma (od Džimi Stjuarta do Šona Konerija). Njegovi vesterni su izuzetni od Rio Brava, El Dorada, Crvene reke (Hoks), preko Nosila je žutu traku, Rio Grande, Čovek koji je ubio Liberti Valansa, Tragači, Poštanska kočija (Džona Forda) do mnogih drugih, kao Dark Command Raula Volša itd. To su neprevazićeni klasici i temelj filmske umetnosti.

Bio je desničar (ekstremni?), pa šta? Zbog toga bi trebalo da mrzim svakog drugog Srbijanca ili 3/4 sugrađana?

I svaki filmski laik treba da zna da je vestern žanr nad žanrovima - nadžanr, bar što se filma tiče.
Title: Hm...
Post by: Tex Murphy on 05-03-2007, 20:33:18
QuoteBio je desničar (ekstremni?), pa šta? Zbog toga bi trebalo da mrzim svakog drugog Srbijanca ili 3/4 sugrađana?

Ma OK su ti desničari, ali meni se nešto gade. Mislim, ništa lično. Što rekla Mira Marković - nacionalizam je primitivizam. A nacionalista fala Bogu ne nedostaje ni na ovom forumu.
Međutim, mislim da ti nisi uhvatio srž mog posta - htio sam da kažem da je Vejn, u smislu harizme koju posjeduje, sjajan glumac i da svakom vesternu u kome se pojavi daje jedinstven pečat. A njegovo desničarstvo je zapravo neophodan preduslov za funkcionisanje njegovih likova, upravo zbog prirodne glume koju si spomenuo. Na to sam mislio kad sam rekao da mi se sviđaju njegovi filmovi.
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Lord Grejstok on 05-03-2007, 20:44:06
Alex uglavnom si sve rekao kako treba, samo ja smatram da vestern ne izumire 40 godina, vec od 1992.

Quote(sveže vesti: Bernet za DC crta Heksa)

Odlicne vesti :D

Ghoul samo sve uzima suvise ozbiljno, znam preko Kuma da je horor master i veliki poznavalac filma, ali polako, cekaj da i neko drugi kaze na sta se pali i zasto.
Title: Re: Hm...
Post by: Alex on 05-03-2007, 21:29:21
Quote from: "Harvester"
QuoteBio je desničar (ekstremni?), pa šta? Zbog toga bi trebalo da mrzim svakog drugog Srbijanca ili 3/4 sugrađana?

Ma OK su ti desničari, ali meni se nešto gade. Mislim, ništa lično. Što rekla Mira Marković - nacionalizam je primitivizam. A nacionalista fala Bogu ne nedostaje ni na ovom forumu.
Međutim, mislim da ti nisi uhvatio srž mog posta - htio sam da kažem da je Vejn, u smislu harizme koju posjeduje, sjajan glumac i da svakom vesternu u kome se pojavi daje jedinstven pečat. A njegovo desničarstvo je zapravo neophodan preduslov za funkcionisanje njegovih likova, upravo zbog prirodne glume koju si spomenuo. Na to sam mislio kad sam rekao da mi se sviđaju njegovi filmovi.

Harvi bio sam na poslu ceo dan i suviše sam umoran da bi skapirao kad si ironičan, a kad ne.
Dakle voliš filmove sa Vejnom il jok?
Title: Hm...
Post by: Tex Murphy on 05-03-2007, 21:48:11
Heh, bilo kakva ironija je daleko od mene, ja jednostavno kad sjednem pišem prvu glupost koja mi padne na pamet. The truth about Džon Vejn je - gledao sam prilično malo njegovih filmova (uglavnom onih manje poznatih, ako izuzmemo Čovjeka koji je roknuo Libertija Valansa, koji sam obožavao kad sam bio mali dječak) i iako me je tematika često nervirala, Džon Vejn mi je simpatičan on-screen presence. Već dugo planiram da pogledam Rio Bravo, ali moj brat mi ne da  :(
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Alex on 05-03-2007, 22:10:21
Ne propusti The Quiet Man, Wake of the Red Witch, Hatari...

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Stari fašista te gleda!
Title: Re: Hm...
Post by: Cornelius on 05-03-2007, 22:49:12
Quote from: "Harvester"Što rekla Mira Marković

Harvi, pa ti si kriptokomunista?!
Title: Hm...
Post by: Tex Murphy on 05-03-2007, 23:42:13
Ne, nisam kriptokomunista. Ni običan komunista, ni socijalista. Nisam ni republikanac, ni demokrata. Poznajem samo jednu stranku, zove se sloboda.
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Ghoul on 06-03-2007, 01:18:08
Quote from: "Alex"I svaki filmski laik treba da zna da je vestern žanr nad žanrovima - nadžanr, bar što se filma tiče.

lepo si to rekao: svaki LAIK mora da, zajedno sa kartom 'Udruženja filmskih laika Srbije' koja viri 2 prsta iz džepa košulje, kao znak raspoznavanja iznosi i ovako neutemeljene i besmislene (tj. laičke) tvrdnje.
naime, dok se za neke žanrove još i sa nekom trunkom smisla MOŽE tvrditi da su više od žanra, da su, dakle, meta-žanrovi (kao npr. triler, horor, komedija...), western je, ipak, 'samo' žanr – najžanrovskiji od svih žanrova, 'čist', školski primer žanra za kojim se (za moj ukus i prečesto) u esejima na temu filmskog žanra poseže kao za primerom žanra, baš zato što je toliko jednostavan i neproblematičan kao ilustracija toga šta jedan žanr jeste.
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Alex on 06-03-2007, 01:35:57
Quote from: "Ghoul"
naime, dok se za neke žanrove još i sa nekom trunkom smisla MOŽE tvrditi da su više od žanra, da su, dakle, meta-žanrovi (kao npr. triler, horor, komedija...), western je, ipak, 'samo' žanr – najžanrovskiji od svih žanrova, 'čist', školski primer žanra za kojim se (za moj ukus i prečesto) u esejima na temu filmskog žanra poseže kao za primerom žanra, baš zato što je toliko jednostavan i neproblematičan kao ilustracija toga šta jedan žanr jeste.

Yeah - to sam i hteo da kažem, ne misliš valjda da sam hteo da uvedem nov pojam nadžanra? "Majka svih žanrova", ako ti se više sviđa.

Za besmislice, pročitaj ponovo ovo:

Quote''ONO ŠTO PADA TREBA JOŠ I ODGURNUTI!''

on je to rekao o hrišćanstvu, ali sasvim je primenjivo i na western.

mislim, ne vredi plakati nad prosutim mlijekom niti nad zastarelim žanrovima.
nisu svi univerzalni i vovjekivjekovni ko horor: neki tako kao western, dođu, prođu i odu u legendu.
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Ghoul on 06-03-2007, 01:56:21
Quote from: "Alex"Yeah - to sam i hteo da kažem, ne misliš valjda da sam hteo da uvedem nov pojam nadžanra? "Majka svih žanrova", ako ti se više sviđa.

notorna budalaština.

u vreme kada se ta 'majka' (!!!) RAĐALA, horor je već postojao bar 100ak godina!

vestern je, i u književnosti i filmu, počeo tek u 1. deceniji XX veka, a umro negde sredinom 70ih, sa povremenim, sporadičnim trzajevima, koji ga ipak nisu revitalizovali već su samo učvrstili njegovu anahronost i smrt.
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Alex on 06-03-2007, 02:03:35
Jok - on ti je kao jazz - posle masovne popularnosti došao je na jedan stabilan nivo da na njemu ostane zauvek - za prave ljude.
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Alex on 06-03-2007, 02:14:09
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Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: --- on 06-03-2007, 02:14:21
da se otvori rasprava na temu "ko za koji zanr navija"  :)
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Ghoul on 06-03-2007, 02:20:25
Quote from: "Alex"Jok - on ti je kao jazz - posle masovne popularnosti došao je na jedan stabilan nivo da na njemu ostane zauvek - za prave ljude.

aha, kao i film katastrofe.

i kragne 'poletuše'.  :roll:
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: daredevil on 06-03-2007, 10:40:05
Ne vidim razlog Ghoula za pljuvanje po Westernima
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: daredevil on 06-03-2007, 10:40:36
U svakom slucaju bilo koji Western je bolji od bilo kog horora (inace 99,9% horora je zivo sranje)
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Ghoul on 06-03-2007, 10:52:14
Quote from: "daredevil"Ne vidim razlog Ghoula za pljuvanje po Westernima

ali ja vidim razlog da nebojša kupi đozluke (budući da ghoul uopšte ovde nije 'pljuvao' western, niti išta slično tome)...
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: daredevil on 06-03-2007, 10:58:26
Al si ti zivcan (pozajmicu djozle od SuperGoofa) moz biti da sam pogresio ali....
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: milan on 06-03-2007, 11:40:01
Moj lichni dozivljaj vesterna je uvek bio, i ostao - pocne film, oni nesto prichaju, malo vade pistolje, prasina, pustinja, djavolja trava na vetru (ili kako god da se zove ono sto ga vetar tera), ameriken-dvoplani... i ja zaspim posle pola filma.
Na FDU su nam pushtali Tragache nekoliko puta, kao primer remek dela najremekdelskijeg, a ja sam svaki put zaspao pred kraj...
Vestern jednostavno nije za mene.
Horor je sto puta bolji.
Title: Hm...
Post by: Tex Murphy on 06-03-2007, 13:50:57
QuoteMoj lichni dozivljaj vesterna je uvek bio, i ostao - pocne film, oni nesto prichaju, malo vade pistolje, prasina, pustinja, djavolja trava na vetru (ili kako god da se zove ono sto ga vetar tera), ameriken-dvoplani... i ja zaspim posle pola filma.

Osim ako je u filmu Klint Istvud, svejedno ispred ili iza kamere.
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Meho Krljic on 06-03-2007, 14:01:43
Ameriken-dvoplani??? Ali... Na divljem zapadu nije bio aviona!!! Američkih ili otherwise, mora da misliš na prvi svetski rat. :lol:
Title: Re: Hm...
Post by: milan on 06-03-2007, 14:22:10
Quote from: "Harvester"
Osim ako je u filmu Klint Istvud, svejedno ispred ili iza kamere.

I osim ako su filmovi Serdja Leonea.
Mislim najvise na klasicni vestern.
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Tex on 06-03-2007, 20:22:39
Quote from: "Ghoul"
Quote from: "Alex"Yeah - to sam i hteo da kažem, ne misliš valjda da sam hteo da uvedem nov pojam nadžanra? "Majka svih žanrova", ako ti se više sviđa.

notorna budalaština.

u vreme kada se ta 'majka' (!!!) RAĐALA, horor je već postojao bar 100ak godina!

vestern je, i u književnosti i filmu, počeo tek u 1. deceniji XX veka, a umro negde sredinom 70ih, sa povremenim, sporadičnim trzajevima, koji ga ipak nisu revitalizovali već su samo učvrstili njegovu anahronost i smrt.



Da,da umro je. Zbog toga Zan Ziro jos uvek crta Bluberija, Tex jos uvek zivi...a snimi se i po neki film. Cinjenica je da vestern nije popularan kao nekad, ali daleko od toga da je umro. Ima ga u drugim medijima sasvim dovoljno(citaj stripu),tako da je tesko  moguce u ovakvoj situaciji konstatovati smrt zanra. A sto se horora tice,  moze on postojati jos 1000 godina,ali ne verujem da ce dostici znacaj koji ima vestern.
Title: Hm...
Post by: Tex Murphy on 06-03-2007, 21:41:24
Quoteali ne verujem da ce dostici znacaj koji ima vestern.

Ni ja. Ne vidim kako može da se "dostigne" nešto što je daleko ispod/iza.
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Alex on 06-03-2007, 21:56:45
Baš je lepo živeti u neznanju.

Dobri horor filmovi da nastave da se množe dosadašnjim tempom za sto godina ne mogu po broju da dostignu četvrtinu dobrih vestern filmova.

Mora li svaki topik da se pretvori u topik o hororu? Mislim, već prelazi u davljenje.

A možda je ipak Masakr Fredija nad Džejsonom motornom testerom u hostelu 73. deo bolji od Tačno u podne?
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Alex on 06-03-2007, 21:58:26
A Čakijeva nevesta šije Šejna?
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Alex on 06-03-2007, 22:00:01
A čuda korejanske horor kinematografije bacaju u senku sva dostignuća američkog vesterna?
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Milosh on 06-03-2007, 22:00:38
Quote from: "Alex"Dobri horor filmovi da nastave da se množe dosadašnjim tempom za sto godina ne mogu po broju da dostignu četvrtinu dobrih vestern filmova.

Quote from: "Alex"Baš je lepo živeti u neznanju.
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Alex on 06-03-2007, 22:03:39
Miloše ti mora da si savetovao redakciju Neona da u poslednjem broju objave korejski horor film i time unište časopis?
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Alex on 06-03-2007, 22:04:15
Bolje da su izdali Tragače.
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Alex on 06-03-2007, 22:05:24
Da su redovno izdavali američke klasike sad bi proslavljali 50-i broj.
Title: Hm...
Post by: Tex Murphy on 07-03-2007, 00:10:06
Imenjače, vjeruj mi - niko ne voli dobar vestern više od mene. Osim mog brata. I moje mame. I mog tate. I mojih drugova. Zapravo, većina ljudi voli dobar vestern više od mene. Ali to nije poenta.
Poenta je da je tvoj stav o vesternu kao "majci svih žanrova" jednostavno neodrživ. Mislim da je suludo same žanrove porediti po kvalitetu (kao npr. vestern je bolji od horora ili drama je bolja od komedije i sl.), ali ako već tražimo majku svih žanrova onda je to bez sumnje horor. Zašto? Zato što u samoj njegovoj suštini leži tzv. strah, odnosno emocija za koju je Stiven King rekao "I recognize fear as finest human emotion" (parafraza). E sad, nije bitno što je to rekao Stiven King, bitno je što je to istina (na kraju krajeva, Stiven King je pisao i vesterne, tako da nije horor-biased). Dakle, žanr koji bi bio zasnovan na ovoj emociji imao bi ogromnu univerzalnost, što potvrđuju i odgovarajući motivi u klasičnim djelima npr. književnosti. Dalje, horor je pisao npr. Edgar Alan Po, koji je najveći pisac u istoriji ljudskog roda. Odnosno, prepravka, E. A. Po nije pisao horor, on je bio horor pisac. Dakle, upravo smo dokazali da je najveći pisac u istoriji ljudskog roda bio upravo horor pisac. Sad ti meni navedi neke velike vestern pisce (svojevremeno sam volio da čitam Zejna Greja i Karla Maja, ali mislim da su njihove knjige za nijansu manje kvalitetne od Poovih).
Takođe, mada je ovo samo moje lično mišljenje i prema tome je irelevantno, meni recimo stari vesterni izgledaju jednostavno neinteresantno. Počeo sam nekad da gledam Stagecoach i odustao poslije nekih pet minuta. I u principu, mnogi vesterni mogu da mi budu zabavni, ali (ako izuzmemo neprevaziđenog Klinta Istvuda) malo njih stvarno volim. Neki od njih su (vjerovatno usual suspects) Magnificent Seven, Wild Bunch, Tombstone  :oops: , Dances with Wolves  :oops:  :oops: itd. Zdruge strane, horor remek-djela su počela da se pojavljuju maltene čim se film kao umjetnost ispilio iz jajeta, o čemu očigledno svjedoči npr. Nosferatu, koji je snimljen tamo negdje dvaes druge čini mi se. I uostalom, ja uopšte nisam siguran da priznajem vestern kao žanr. O tome ću morati još da razmislim. Tj. da pitam nekoga  :twisted:
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: lilit on 07-03-2007, 01:12:02
jedini dobar western je Unforgiven !!!

rekla bih i da smo bili svedoci pokusaja ozivljavanja westerna, koketiranjem sa modernim temama, kao sto su kauboji koji osecaju (read: Brokeback Mountain :wink:).

ipak, posto sam ja poznati forumski pomiritelj, evo jednog abominejsna za laku noc:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0099704/combined
Title: Re: Hm...
Post by: Alex on 07-03-2007, 02:35:18
Quote from: "Harvester"
Poenta je da je tvoj stav o vesternu kao "majci svih žanrova" jednostavno neodrživ.

A otac svih žanrova?

Quote from: "Harvester"Mislim da je suludo same žanrove porediti po kvalitetu (kao npr. vestern je bolji od horora ili drama je bolja od komedije i sl.)

Ja sam samo poredio broj značajnih filmskih ostvarenja oba žanra. Prvi je Ghoul počeo da poredi.

Quote from: "Harvester"ali ako već tražimo majku svih žanrova onda je to bez sumnje horor.

Ne tražimo.

Quote from: "Harvester"Dalje, horor je pisao npr. Edgar Alan Po, koji je najveći pisac u istoriji ljudskog roda. Odnosno, prepravka, E. A. Po nije pisao horor, on je bio horor pisac. Dakle, upravo smo dokazali da je najveći pisac u istoriji ljudskog roda bio upravo horor pisac.

Po je pisac romantizma.
Dostojevski je bolji pisac. Po je cenjeniji kao pesnik.

Quote from: "Harvester"
Takođe, mada je ovo samo moje lično mišljenje i prema tome je irelevantno, meni recimo stari vesterni izgledaju jednostavno neinteresantno. Počeo sam nekad da gledam Stagecoach i odustao poslije nekih pet minuta.

Kad sam bio mlađi i meni su stari filmovi delovali zastarelo (?!) i više sam cenio savremena, moderna ostvarenja. Vremenom shvatih da su stari filmovi bili u proseku, a i po najvišim dometima bolji. To se desi u jednom trenu, kao prelazak na viši nivo.

Bilo je ljudi (Tirnanić, Pajkić, Terzić, Jeličić, Tucaković...) koji nisu spavali na časovima.

A ti lepo pogledaj from time to time i poneki klasik vesterna - neće škoditi.
Title: Hm...
Post by: Tex Murphy on 07-03-2007, 02:41:03
QuoteA ti lepo pogledaj from time to time i poneki klasik vesterna - neće škoditi.

Trenutno nisam u prilici da gledam vesterne jerbo mi grupa ljudi s kojom inače gledam filmove to ne dopušta. Rio Bravo je na čekanju između ostalog i zato što hoću da ga pogledam back-to-back sa High Noon (koji još nisam nabavio).
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Alex on 07-03-2007, 02:44:19
Da li ti ikad spavaš?
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: --- on 07-03-2007, 02:45:42
preporucujem da radije odgledas, jedan za drugim, Rio Bravo pa El Dorado...
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Alex on 07-03-2007, 02:47:39
Quote from: "Zika Kisobranac"preporucujem da radije odgledas, jedan za drugim, Rio Bravo pa El Dorado...

Misliš da će ukapirati vezu?
Title: Re: Hm...
Post by: Ghoul on 07-03-2007, 03:00:19
Quote from: "Alex"Po je cenjeniji kao pesnik.

e, ajde idi čitaj tog zejna greja, ili te stripove sa texom i štatijaznam, ali nemoj da lupetaš.

po UOPŠTE nije danas 'cenjeniji kao pesnik' - NAPROTIV, cenjen je pre svega kao pisac kratkih priča (to je ono u prozi, znaš, ne u stihovima), a kao pesnik se, eventualno, ceni kao UTICAJ na bodlera i francuske simboliste, a vrlo malo kao pesnik per se.

no, tako je to kad ljudi iznose tvrdnje iz svog dupeta, umesto iz nekih malo čvršćih i bolje utemeljenih izvora (kao npr. studija o poovom životu i delu koje bih mogao da navedem), odnosno kad žive u nekom paralelnom svetu u kome su kaubojci više zadužili filmsku umetnost od horora. :x  :x  :x
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Джон Рейнольдс on 07-03-2007, 03:02:43
Quote from: "lilit_depp"jedini dobar western je Unforgiven !!!

Ajoj! bre... (wild bunch)

Quoteipak, posto sam ja poznati forumski pomiritelj, evo jednog abominejsna za laku noc:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0099704/combined

Evo, ja ću da se okušam.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0073594/

Može? Može. :twisted:
Title: Hm...
Post by: Tex Murphy on 07-03-2007, 12:47:41
Quote from: "Alex"Da li ti ikad spavaš?

Ja ne spavam. Ja čekam.
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Lord Grejstok on 07-03-2007, 14:15:34
Ghoule zasto sve sto se pomene moras da stavljas ispod horora i da ga uporedjujes sa njim?

Otvorio sam temu jer sam zeleo da medju silnim recima u odseku "Filmovi, tv serije, animacije" bude rec VESTERN
jer on to svojim kvalitetom zasluzuje.
O ukusima ne vredi raspravljati i zato nikad nece svi voleti isto!!!
Ali nikad ne bih vredjao nekog ko ne voli iste stvari kao ja.
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: angel011 on 07-03-2007, 14:26:20
A možda je trebalo da svoj topik o Vesternu otvoriš u odeljku Razonoda, opsesije... To jest, pod Ostalo. U zaglavlju ovog foruma ipak stoji Science Fiction/Fantasy/Horror, tako da vestern sa tim nema baš mnogo veze, osim ako ne govorimo o steampunk varijanti ili o tome da su neko vreme vesterni, sf filmovi i horor filmovi imali skoro identičnu strukturu.
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: lilit on 07-03-2007, 14:44:44
Quote from: "John Reynolds"
Quote from: "lilit_depp"jedini dobar western je Unforgiven !!!

Ajoj! bre... (wild bunch)

Pa sad, ja sam prilican laik kad je film u pitanju (negde malo ispod Harvija), ali Sam Peckinpahovi filmovi su samo western isto onoliko koliko je Kjubrikov SF, samo SF. Pekinpo jeste tata svih westerna, ali, kao i npr. dobri pisci SFa, to je samo tool u njegovim rukama pomocu kojeg prica mnogo siru pricu. Mislila sam da se bavimo light temama u ovom postu, a ti udario po Pekinpou. Uh bre...   :wink:  :lol:

@Angel,
sirim neposrednim uvidom u ovaj podforum, namece se zakljucak da je ovde najmanje SF filmova & serija (ne kazem da je to dobro ili lose nego da je to realnost), pa ne vidim zbog cega bi western imao drugaciji tretman od npr. serije "Rome" ili filma "Lost in translation", potpuno nevezano za to sto se meni bilo koji western mnogo vise dopada od druga dva navedena (ne)dela. No, de gustibus est non disputandum. :wink:
Title: Re: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Ghoul on 07-03-2007, 15:37:50
Quote from: "Lord Grejstok"Zanr koji je dao istinska remek dela sedme umetnosti...blablabla Neka od tih dela ladno ulaze na listu (recimo 20)najboljih filmova svih vremena: blablabla...
Naravno i danas ima veliki broj poklonika, ali ljudi izgleda vise vole da se kunu u horor i akcione filmove.

well, boo-hoo, 'lorde g.' ali meni se nekako čini da si TI bio prvi koji je na topik, u prvom postu, uveo poređenje sa hororom, i to negativno, na štetu horora.

ti, naravno, imaš pravo na svoje pogrešno mišljenje, ali nemoj posle da kukaš da neko drugi ubacuje poređenja s hororom na topiku o tvom nedodirljivom (a sada pokojnom) westernu - jer to si uradio ti, prvi.

znači, malo više pažnje pri pisanju svojih, a još više pri čitanju tuđih postova.

npr, to što sam konstantovao da je western film danas praktično MRTAV, da se snimi tek poneki, sporadično, svakih 5-6 godina, da nije popularan ni kod filmadžija ni kod publike... pa jebi ga, to je činjenica pred kojom možeš da zabijaš glavu u pesak i pretvaraš se da nije tako, ali ja sam tu činjenicu izneo bez vrednosnih predznaka.
nisam tvrdio da je western inferiorniji žanr po svojim dostignućima već, ako po ičemu, a ono po svojoj ikonografskoj,tematskoj i svetonazornoj rigidnosti i prevaziđenosti, zbog koje nije mogao da evoluira onako kako su neki vitalniji žanrovi, poput tebi mrskog horora, mogli i kako neprestano čine.
Title: Re: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Alex on 07-03-2007, 16:31:59
Quote from: "Ghoul"
npr, to što sam konstantovao da je western film danas praktično MRTAV, da se snimi tek poneki, sporadično, svakih 5-6 godina, da nije popularan ni kod filmadžija ni kod publike

E bre sad stvarno lupetaš. Da si rekao 5-6 godišnje, pa i nekako. Ali 1 u 5-6 godina!?

Ti u stvari i ne pratiš film?
Title: Re: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Ghoul on 07-03-2007, 17:28:42
Quote from: "Alex"Da si rekao 5-6 godišnje, pa i nekako. Ali 1 u 5-6 godina!?

govorim o relevantnim naslovima, ne o svakom low-budget who-cares isprtku koji niko sem onih koji jos citaju texa vilera i ne primeti.
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Lord Grejstok on 07-03-2007, 17:38:52
Quote from: "angel011"A možda je trebalo da svoj topik o Vesternu otvoriš u odeljku Razonoda, opsesije... To jest, pod Ostalo. U zaglavlju ovog foruma ipak stoji Science Fiction/Fantasy/Horror, tako da vestern sa tim nema baš mnogo veze, osim ako ne govorimo o steampunk varijanti ili o tome da su neko vreme vesterni, sf filmovi i horor filmovi imali skoro identičnu strukturu.

Nisam znao da su teme - TV serija i Srbija, Prison break(inace odlicna serija-top 5) - sf i horor

Sto se pljuvanja tice:

Quoteno, tako je to kad ljudi iznose tvrdnje iz svog dupeta, umesto iz nekih malo čvršćih i bolje utemeljenih izvora (kao npr. studija o poovom životu i delu koje bih mogao da navedem), odnosno kad žive u nekom paralelnom svetu u kome su kaubojci više zadužili filmsku umetnost od horora. Mad Mad Mad



Quoteali ljudi izgleda vise vole da se kunu u horor i akcione filmove.


Razlike Ghoule, razlike.

A da, cisto informativno:
Ne mrzim horore, jedan od filmova u koje se kunem je i Noc vestica(po mom misljenju najbolji horor svih vremena)
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Ghoul on 07-03-2007, 17:44:27
Quote from: "Lord Grejstok"Razlike Ghoule, razlike.

I HVALJEN NEKA JE ALAH ZBOG NJIH!

inače bi se osobe koje kritikuju druge zbog onoga što same rade možda postidele.
ovako mogu da se samo prave blesave...
Title: Hm...
Post by: Tex Murphy on 07-03-2007, 17:59:31
QuoteNo, de gustibus est non disputandum.

Džejče, interveniši!!!  :lol:
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Alex on 07-03-2007, 18:42:05
U pesmama kakve su ,,Gavran", Julaluma", ,,Eldo-
rado", ,,Anabel Li", u teorijskim spisima poput ,,Filozo-
fije kompozicije", ,,Pesnickog nacela", ,,Marginalija",
Edgar Po je nesumnjivo uspostavio jednu poetiku ko-
ja nagovestava i predskazuje novu epohu — sve one
pojave u savremenoj poeziji koje se pocev od simbo-
lista zasnivaju na antiretorickim nacelima sugestije i
podteksta, na primatu muzickog i sugestibilnog nad-
doslovnim i didaktickim, na kljucnoj funkciji simbola
i sinestezije. Paradoks izvesne trezvene, matematic-
ke analiticnosti u pristupu stvarima tamnim i nemer-
Ijivim odista je, od vremena Edgara Poa, obelezio
toliko mnogo pojava u novoj knjizevnosti, nastaloj u
otporu prema pozitivizmu savremene epohe.
Tako u poeziji. Pripovedacko delo Edgara Poa,
medutim, (mada je podrazumevalo ista poeticka na-
cela kao i njegove pesme, a pre ostalog nacelo krat-
koce, sugestivnosti, i simbolizacije), uziva pomalo
dvosmislen status u istoriji savremene knjizevnosti. I
mada je nesumnjivo bilo i samo veoma uticajno u
potonjim vremenima, trag njegovog uticaja ne moze
se tako jasno ocrtati kao trag uticaja Poovih nacela
muzicke izgradnje stiha, njegove pesnicke vestine
uopste.


Ljubiša Jeremić
Najlepše priče Edgara Poa (BIGZ 1990)


Otkud Po na topiku o vesternu?

Zato što je njegov lik iskorišćen pri kreiranju jednog od glavnih junaka popularnog vestern stripa Magični vetar (Magico Vento) izdavačke kuće Serđa Bonelija. :wink:

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Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: SuperGoof on 07-03-2007, 23:56:26
Ghoul, I heard you're a lowdown Yankee liar! :lol:
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: WARLOCK on 08-03-2007, 02:08:36
Western je ipak u modi,evo fotke sa snimanja naseg filma
koji smo zapoceli mnogo davno,pa smo hteli da uradimo 20 minutni film..na zalost film je ostao nedovrsen zbog nemogucnosti ponovnog okupljanja nase ekipe na dalekom malom mestu Becmen blizu Surcina..u planu nam je bilo pet dana snimanja..
Videcemo da od naseg snimljenog materijala da izmontiramo da izgleda kao trejler :!: ..
e da snimali smo na Italijanskom jeziku a imali bi srpski titl prevod..
glumci su morali da uce recenice napamet..a akcenat je nevidjeno smesan.
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Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Ghoul on 08-03-2007, 07:51:30
Quote from: "Alex"U pesmama kakve su ,,Gavran", Julaluma", ,,Eldo-rado", ,,Anabel Li", u teorijskim spisima poput ,,Filozofije kompozicije", ,,Pesnickog nacela", ,,Marginalija",
Edgar Po je nesumnjivo uspostavio jednu poetiku ko-
ja nagovestava i predskazuje novu epohu — sve one
pojave u savremenoj poeziji koje se pocev od simbo-
lista zasnivaju na antiretorickim nacelima sugestije i
podteksta, na primatu muzickog i sugestibilnog nad-
doslovnim i didaktickim, na kljucnoj funkciji simbola
i sinestezije. Paradoks izvesne trezvene, matematic-
ke analiticnosti u pristupu stvarima tamnim i nemer-
Ijivim odista je, od vremena Edgara Poa, obelezio
toliko mnogo pojava u novoj knjizevnosti, nastaloj u
otporu prema pozitivizmu savremene epohe.
Tako u poeziji. Pripovedacko delo Edgara Poa,
medutim, (mada je podrazumevalo ista poeticka na-
cela kao i njegove pesme, a pre ostalog nacelo krat-
koce, sugestivnosti, i simbolizacije), uziva pomalo
dvosmislen status u istoriji savremene knjizevnosti. I
mada je nesumnjivo bilo i samo veoma uticajno u
potonjim vremenima, trag njegovog uticaja ne moze
se tako jasno ocrtati kao trag uticaja Poovih nacela
muzicke izgradnje stiha, njegove pesnicke vestine
uopste.


Ljubiša Jeremić
Najlepše priče Edgara Poa (BIGZ 1990)

ja ne znam šta vi, Texoljupci, mislite da ste pročitali u ovom odlomku, ali kazaću vam šta u njemu stvarno piše.
pre svega, izvađen je iz kontexta (pogovor bigzovim NAJLEPŠIM PRIČAMA e. a. poa) u kome se jasno vidi da se govori pre svega o poovom UGLEDU, I UTICAJU koji je imao na neke pravce umetnosti 19. veka; njegov UTICAJ na modernu poeziju -i kroz teoriju i kroz praxu - nesumnjiv je, i ja sam ga već gore pomenuo; ali to nije isto kao reći da su njegove pesme bolje i važnije od njegovih priča.
s druge strane, jeremić gore kaže samo to da se UTICAJ poove proze ne može tako jasno pratiti kao što se može u poeziji (zato što među piscima kratkih priča nije bilo nekog velikana poput bodlera koji će otvoreno i explicitno da se pozove na svog uzora u nekom esejeističkom radu) - ali, ponavljam: to što taj UTICAJ ne može da se svakom Texoljupcu nacrta, kao u stripu, ne znači da on ne postoji i da nije možda i važniji od onoga u poeziji.

svejedno, ja NISAM govorio o poovom uticaju, već o tome da je njegova proza estetski značajniji i kvalitetniji njegov doprinos umetnosti nego što su to njegove pesme: a kad bi ovi što čitaju Texa čitali i savremenu prozu i poeziju (HA HA HA!), znali bi, npr, da se u današnjoj poeziji ne može više videti ni tračak poa, dok se njegove teme, motivi, postupci, principi građenja kratke priče itd. ITEKAKO vide i osećaju i u današnjim kratkim pričama (a naročito žanrovskim).

najzad, sve i da je jeremić kazao to što mislite da jeste, it's just some guy's opinion: ako bi ratovali citatima, ja bih mogao da navedem mnogo više onih koji navrću vodu na moju vodenicu, ali me mrzi sad da ih tražim, i uostalom, da nekim westernoljupcima dokazujem očigledne i poznate činjenice.
Title: Hm...
Post by: Tex Murphy on 08-03-2007, 12:36:51
Po je uticao na Dostojevskog. Zločin i kazna je ekstended verzija priče Izdajničko srce.
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Alex on 08-03-2007, 17:53:31
500 western filmova koje vredi videti, po godinama.

1903
The Great Train Robbery - Edwin S. Porter (Broncho Billy Anderson)

1914
The Squaw Man - Oscar Apfel, Cecil B. DeMille (Dustin Farnum)

1916
Hell's Hinges - William S. Hart, Charles Swickard (William S. Hart)

1917
Straight Shooting - John Ford (Harry Carey)

1919
Scarlet Days - D.W. Griffith (Richard Barthelmess)

1923
The Covered Wagon - James Cruze (J. Warren Kerrigan, Alan Hale)

1924
The Iron Horse - John Ford (George O'Brien)

1925
Tumbleweeds - King Baggot, William S. Hart (William S. Hart)

1929
The Virginian - Victor Fleming (Gary Cooper, Walter Huston)

1930
The Big Trail - Raoul Walsh (John Wayne)

1930
Cimarron - Wesley Ruggles (Richard Dix, Irene Dunne)

1934
Viva Villa! - Jack Conway, Howard Hawks, William Wellman (Wallace Berry)

1936
The Plainsman - Cecil B. DeMille (Gary Cooper, Jean Arthur)

1937
Wells Fargo - Frank Lloyd (Joel McCrea)

1939
Destry Rides Again - George Marshall (James Stewart, Marlene Dietrich)
Dodge City - Michael Curtiz (Errol Flynn, Olivia de Havilland)
Frontier Marshal - Allan Dwan (Randolph Scott)
Jesse James - Henry King (Tyrone Power, Henry Fonda, Randolph Scott)
The Oklahoma Kid - Lloyd Bacon (James Cagney, Humphrey Bogart)
Stagecoach - John Ford (John Wayne, Claire Trevor, Thomas Mitchell, Andy Devine)
Union Pacific - Cecil B. DeMille (Joel McCrea, Robert Preston, Barbara Stanwyck)

1940
Dark Command - Raoul Walsh (John Wayne, Roy Rogers, Claire Trevor, Walter Pidgeon)
The Return of Frank James - Fritz Lang (Henry Fonda, Gene Tierney)
Santa Fe Trail - Michael Curtiz (Errol Flynn, Olivia de Havilland, Raymond Massey, Ronald Reagan, Van Heflin)
Virginia City - Michael Curtiz (Errol Flynn, Randolph Scott, Humphrey Bogart)
The Westerner - William Wyler (Gary Cooper, Walter Brennan)
When the Daltons Rode - George Marshall (Randolph Scott, Brian Donlevy)

1941
Billy the Kid - David Miller (Robert Taylor, Brian Donlevy)
The Outlaw - Howard Hughes, Howard Hawks (Jane Russell, Jack Buetel, Walter Huston)
Texas - George Marshall (William Holden, Glenn Ford, Claire Trevor)
They Died with Their Boots On - Raoul Walsh (Errol Flynn, Olivia de Havilland, Arthur Kennedy)
Western Union - Fritz Lang (Robert Young, Randolph Scott, Dean Jagger)

1942
The Ox-Bow Incident - William A. Wellman (Henry Fonda, Harry Morgan, Dana Andrews, Anthony Quinn)
The Spoilers - Ray Enright (Randolph Scott, John Wayne, Marlene Dietrich, Harry Carey))

1943
The Desperadoes - Charles Vidor (Randolph Scott, Glenn Ford, Claire Trevor)

1944
Buffalo Bill - William A. Wellman (Joel McCrea, Maureen O'Hara, Anthony Quinn, Thomas Mitchell, Linda Darnell)
Tall in the Saddle - Edwin L. Marin (John Wayne, Ella Raines, Ward Bond)

1945
San Antonio - David Butler, Raoul Walsh (Errol Flynn)

1946
Abilene Town - Edwin L. Marin (Randolph Scott)
Badman's Territory - Tim Whelan (Randolph Scott)
Canyon Passage - Jacques Tourneur (Dana Andrews, Brian Donlevy, Susan Hayward, Ward Bond, Lloyd Bridges)
Duel in the Sun - King Vidor (Gregory Peck, Jennifer Jones, Joseph Cotten, Lionel Barrymore, Walter Huston, Harry Carey, Herbert Marshall, Lilian Gish, Charles Bickford)
In Old Sacramento - Joseph Kane (Bill Elliott)
My Darling Clementine - John Ford (Henry Fonda, Victor Mature, Linda Darnell, Walter Brennan, Time Holt, Ward Bond, John Ireland)
The Virginian - Stuart Gilmore (Joel McCrea, Brian Donlevy)

1947
Cheyenne - Raoul Walsh (Dennis Morgan, Jane Wyman, Arthur Kennedy)
Gunfighters - George Waggner (Randolph Scott, Forrest Tucker)
Pursued - Raoul Walsh (Robert Mitchum, Teresa Wright, Dean Jagger)
Sea of Grass - Elia Kazan (Spencer Tracy, Katharine Hepburn, Robert Walker, Melvyn Douglas, Harry Carey)
Trail Street - Ray Enright (Randolph Scott, Robert Ryan)
Wyoming - Joseph Kane (Bill Elliott, Vera Ralston)

1948
Albuquerque - Ray Enright (Randolph Scott)
Blood on the Moon - Robert Wise (Robert Mitchum, Robert Preston, Barbara Bel Geddes, Walter Brennan)
Coroner Creek - Ray Enright (Randolph Scott, Forrest Tucker, George Macready)
Fort Apache - John Ford (John Wayne, Henry Fonda, Shirley Temple, Ward Bond)
Four Faces West - Alfred E. Green (Joel McCrea, Charles Bickford, William Conrad, Frances Dee)
Fury at Furnace Creek - H. Bruce Humberstone (Victor Mature, Coleen Gray)
Man from Colorado - Henry Levin (Glenn Ford, William Holden)
Red River - Howard Hawks (John Wayne, Montgomery Clift, Joanne Dru, John Ireland)
Return of the Bad Men - Ray Enright (Randolph Scott, Robert Ryan)
Silver River - Raoul Walsh (Errol Flynn, Thomas Mtichell, Ann Sheridan)
Three Godfathers - John Ford (John Wayne, Pedro Armend‡riz, Harry Carey Jr, Ward Bond, Mae Marsh)
Whispering Smith - Leslie Fenton (Alan Ladd, Robert Preston, Donald Crisp)
Yellow Sky - William A. Wellman (Gregory Peck, Richard Widmark, Anne Baxter)

1949
Ambush - Sam Wood (Robert Taylor, John Hodiak, Arlene Dahl)
Canadian Pacific - Edwin L. Marin (Randolph Scott, Jane Wyatt, J. Carrol Naish, Victor Jory)
Colorado Territory - Raoul Walsh (Joel McCrea, Virginia Mayo, Dorothy Malone, Henry Hull)
The Doolins of Oklahoma - Gordon Douglas (Randolph Scott, John Ireland)
Fighting Man of the Plains - Edwin L. Marin (Randolph Scott, Dale Robertson, Bill Williams)
Hellfire - R. G. Springsteen (Bill Elliott, Marie Windsor, Forrest Tucker, Jim Davis, H.B. Warner)
I Shot Jesse James - Samuel Fuller (John Ireland, Preston Foster)
The Last Bandit - Joseph Kane (Bill Elliott, Forrest Tucker)
Riders in the Sky - John English (Gene Autry)
She Wore a Yellow Ribbon - John Ford (John Wayne, John Agar, Ben Johnson, Joanne Dru, Victor McLaglen)
Streets of Laredo - Leslie Fenton (William Holden, Macdonald Carey)
The Walking Hills - John Sturges (Randolph Scott, Arthur Kennedy, Ella Raines)

1950
Branded - Rudolph MatŽ (Alan Ladd, Mona Freeman, Charles Bickford)
Broken Arrow - Delmer Daves (James Stewart, Jeff Chandler, Debra Paget)
Colt .45 - Edwin L. Marin (Randolph Scott, Zachary Scott, Ruth Roman)
Dallas - Stuart Heisler (Gary Cooper, Ruth Roman, Raymond Massey)
Devil's Doorway - Anthony Mann (Robert Taylor, Louis Calhern)
The Eagle and the Hawk - Lewis R. Foster (John Payne, Dennis O'Keefe)
The Furies - Anthony Mann (Barbara Stanwyck, Walter Huston, Wendell Corey)
The Gunfighter - Henry King (Gregory Peck, Millard Mitchell, Karl Malden)
Kansas Raiders - Ray Enright (Audie Murphy, Brian Donlevy, Tony Curtis)
The Kid from Texas - Kurt Neumann (Audie Murphy, Gale Storm, Will Geer)
Montana - Ray Enright (Errol Flynn, Alexis Smith, S. Z. Sakall)
The Nevadan - Gordon Douglas (Randolph Scott, Dorothy Malone)
The Outriders - Roy Rowland (Joel McCrea, Barry Sullivan, Arlene Dahl)
Rio Grande - John Ford (John Wayne, Maureen O'Hara, Ben Johnson)
Rocky Mountain - William Keighley (Errol Flynn, Patrice Wymore)
Saddle Tramp - Hugo Fregonese (Joel McCrea, Wanda Hendrix, John Russell)
The Showdown - Dorrell & Stuart E. McGowan (Bill Elliott, Walter Brennan)
Sierra - Alfred E. Green (Audie Murphy, Wanda Hendrix, Burl Ives, Dean Jagger)
Sierra Passage - Frank McDonald (Wayne Morris, Lola Albright)
Stars in My Crown - Jacques Tourneur (Joel McCrea, Ellen Drew)
The Sundowners - George Templeton (Robert Preston, Robert Sterling, John Drew Barrymore)
Two Flags West - Robert Wise (Joseph Cotten, Jeff Chandler, Cornel Wilde, Linda Darnell, Dale Robertson)
Wagon Master - John Ford (Ben Johnson, Joanne Dru, Harry Carey Jr, Ward Bond)
Winchester '73 - Anthony Mann (James Stewart, Dan Duryea, Stephen McNally, Millard Mitchell, Shelley Winters)

1951
Across the Wide Missouri - William A. Wellman (Clark Gable, Ricardo Montalban, John Hodiak, J. Carrol Naish)
Along the Great Divide - Raoul Walsh (Kirk Douglas, Virginia Mayo, John Agar, Walter Brennan)
Cattle Drive - Kurt Neumann (Joel McCrea, Dean Stockwell, Chill Wills)
The Cimarron Kid - Budd Boetticher (Audie Murphy)
Distant Drums - Raoul Walsh (Gary Cooper)
Fort Defiance - John Rawlins (Dane Clark, Ben Johnson, Peter Graves)
Fort Worth - Edwin L. Marin
Little Big Horn - Charles Marquis Warren (Lloyd Bridges, John Ireland)
Lone Star - Vincent Sherman (Clark Gable, Ava Gardner, Broderick Crawford, Lionel Barrymore)
Man in the Saddle - AndrŽ DeToth (Randolph Scott, Joan Leslie, John Russell)
Only the Valiant - Gordon Douglas (Gregory Peck, Ward Bond, Gig Young, Barbara Payton)
Raton Pass - Edwin L. Marin (Dennis Morgan, Patricia Neal, Steve Cochran)
Rawhide - Henry Hathaway (Tyrone Power, Susan Hayward, Hugh Marlowe, Dean Jagger)
Santa Fe - Irving Pichel (Randolph Scott)
Sugarfoot - Edwin L. Marin (Randolph Scott, Raymond Massey, Adele Jergens)
Tomahawk - George Sherman (Van Heflin, Yvonne De Carlo, Alex Nicol)
Vengeance Valley - Richard Thorpe (Burt Lancaster, Robert Walker, Joanne Dru, John Ireland)
Westward the Women - William A. Wellman (Robert Taylor, Denise Darcel)

1952
The Battle at Apache Pass - George Sherman (John Lund, Jeff Chandler)
Bend of the River - Anthony Mann (James Stewart, Arthur Kennedy, Julie Adams, Rock Hudson)
The Big Sky - Howard Hawks (Kirk Douglas, Dewey Martin, Jim Davis)
Bugles in the Afternoon - Roy Rowland (Ray Milland, Hugh Marlowe, Forrest Tucker)
The Bushwhackers - Rodney Amateau (John Ireland, Wayne Morris, Dorothy Malone, Lawrence Tierney)
Carson City - AndrŽ DeToth (Randolph Scott, Raymond Massey)
Cripple Creek - Ray Nazarro (George Montgomery, Richard Egan)
The Duel at Silver Creek - Don Siegel (Audie Murphy, Stephen McNally, Faith Domerque, Susan Cabot. Lee Marvin)
Hangman's Knot - Roy Huggins (Randolph Scott, Donna Reed, Lee Marvin)
Hellgate - Charles Marquis Warren (Sterling Hayden, Joan Leslie, Ward Bond, James Arness)
High Noon - Fred Zinnemann (Gary Cooper, Grace Kelly)
The Iron Mistress - Gordon Douglas (Alan Ladd, Virginia Mayo)
The Lawless Breed - Raoul Walsh (Rock Hudson, Julie Adams, John McIntire, Dennis Weaver, Hugh O'Brian< Lee Van Cleef)
Man Behind the Gun - Felix E. Feist (Randolph Scott, Partrice Wymore, Philip Carey))
Pony Soldier - Joseph M. Newman (Tyrone Power, Cameron Mitchell, Thomas Gomez)
Rancho Notorious - Fritz Lang (Marlene Dietrich, Arthur Kennedy, Mel Ferrer)
The San Francisco Story - Robert Parrish (Joel McCrea, Yvonne De Carlo, Sidney Blackmer)
The Savage - George Marshall (Charlton Heston, Milburn Stone)
Springfield Rifle - AndrŽ DeToth (Gary Cooper, David Brian, Paul Kelly)
Viva Zapata! - Elia Kazan (Marlon Brando, Anthony Quinn, Jean Peters)
Way of a Gaucho - Jacques Tourneur (Rory Calhoun, Gene Tierney, Richard Boone, Everett Sloane)

1953
Arrowhead - Charles Marquis Warren (Charlton Heston, Jack Palance, Brian Keith, Katy Jurado, Milburn Stone)
City of Bad Men - Harmon Jones (Dale Robertson, Richard Boone, Jeanne Crain, Lloyd Bridges)
Escape from Fort Bravo - John Sturges (William Holden, Eleanor Parker, John Forsythe)
Gun Belt - Ray Nazarro (George Montgomery, Tab Hunter, John Dehner)
Gun Fury - Raoul Walsh (Rock Hudson, Donna Reed, Neville Brand, Lee Marvin)
Gunsmoke - Nathan Juran (Audie Murphy, Susan Cabot, Paul Kelly)
Hannah Lee - Lee Garmes, John Ireland (Macdonald Carey, John Ireland, Joanne Dru)
Hondo - John Farrow (John Wayne, Geraldine Page, Ward Bond, James Arness)
Horizons West - Budd Boetticher (Rock Hudson, Julie Adams, Robert Ryan, Dennis Weaver) Jack Slade - Harold D. Schuster (Mark Stevens, Dorothy Malone, Barton MacLane)
Kansas Pacific - Ray Nazarro (Sterling Hayden, Barton MacLane)
The Last Posse - Alfred L. Werker (Broderick Crawford, John Derek, Charles Bickford, Wanda Hendrix)
Law and Order - Nathan Juran (Ronald Reagan, Dorothy Malone, Preston Forster)
Lone Hand - George Sherman (Joel McCrea, Barbara Hale, Alex Nicol)
The Man from the Alamo - Budd Boetticher (Glenn Ford, Julie Adams, Chill Wills, Hugh O'Brian, Victory Jory, Neville Brand)
The Naked Spur - Anthony Mann (James Stewart, Robert Ryan, Janet Leigh, Ralph Meeker, Millard Mitchell)
Pony Express - Jerry Hopper (Charlton Heston, Rhonda Fleming, Jan Sterling, Forrest Tucker)
Ride, Vaquero! - John Farrow (Robert Taylor, Ava Gardner, Anthony Quinn, Howard Keel, Kurt Kasznar)
Seminole - Budd Boetticher (Rock Hudson, Barbara Hale, Anthony Quinn, Lee Marvin, Hugh O'Brian)
Shane - George Stevens (Alan Ladd, Van Heflin, Jean Arthur, Jack Palance, Brandon De Wilde, Ben Johnson, Emile Meyer, Edgar Buchanan, Elisha Cook Jr)
The Silver Whip - Harmon Jones (Dale Robertson, Rory Calhoun, Robert Wagner)
The Stranger Wore a Gun - AndrŽ DeToth (Randolph Scott, Claire Trevor, Lee Marvin)
The Tall Texan - Elmo Williams (Lloyd Bridges, Lee J. Cobb, Marie Windsor)
Thunder Over the Plains - AndrŽ DeToth (Randolph Scott, Lex Barker, Charles McGraw, Phyllis Kirk)
Tumbleweed - Nathan Juran (Audie Murphy, Lori Nelson, Chill Wills, Russell Johnson, Lee Van Cleef, Ross Elliott, Roy Roberts)
War Arrow - George Sherman (Jeff Chandler, Maureen O'Hara, John McIntire, Suzan Ball, Dennis Weaver, Jay Silverheels, Noah Berry Jr, Charles Drake)
War Paint - Lesley Selander (Robert Stack, Joan Taylor, Charles McGraw, Peter Graves, Keith Larsen)
Wings of the Hawk - Budd Boetticher (Van Heflin, Julie Adams, Abbe Lane)

1954
Apache - Robert Aldrich (Burt Lancaster, Jean Peters, Charles Bronson)
Black Horse Canyon - Jesse Hibbs (Joel McCrea, Mari Blanchard)
Border River - George Sherman (Joel McCrea, Yvonne De Carlo, Pedro Armend‡riz)
The Bounty Hunter - AndrŽ DeToth (Randolph Scott, Ernest Brognine, Marie Windsor)
Broken Lance - Edward Dmytryk (Spencer Tracy, Robert Wagner, Richard Widmark, Jean Peters, Katy Jurado, E.G. marshall, Hugh O'Brian)
Dawn at Socorro - George Sherman (Rory Calhoun, Piper Laurie, David Brian, Lee Van Cleef, Alex Nicol, Edgar Buchanan)
Destry - George Marshall (Audie Murphy, Mari Blanchard, Lyle Bettger, Thomas Mitchell, Edgar Buchanan, Lori Nelson, Wallace Ford)
Drums Across the River - Nathan Juran (Audie Murphy, Walter Brennan, Lyle Bettger, Hugh O'Brian, Mara Corday, Jay Silverheels)
Drum Beat - Delmer Daves (Alan Ladd, Robert Keith, Charles Bronson)
The Forty-Niners - Thomas Carr (Bill Elliott, Harry Morgan, Virginia Grey)
Garden of Evil - Henry Hathaway (Gary Cooper, Richard Widmark, Susan Hayward, Hugh Marlowe, Cameron Mitchell, Rita Moreno)
Johnny Guitar - Nicholas Ray (Joan Crawford, Sterling Hayden, Scott Brady, Mercedes MacCambridge, Ward Bond, Ben Cooper, Ernest Borgnine, Royal Dano)
The Outcast - William Witney (John Derek, Jim Davis, Joan Evans)
The Raid - Hugo Fregonese (Van Heflin, Lee Marvin, Richard Boone, Anne Bancroft, Peter Graves, Tommy Rettig)
Ride Clear of Diablo - Jesse Hibbs (Audie Murphy, Susan Cabot, Dan Duryea, Denver Pyle, Jack Elam, Russell Johnson, Abbe Lane)
Riding Shotgun - AndrŽ DeToth (Randolph Scott, Wayne Morris, Joan Weldon, James Millican, Charles Bronson)
River of No Return - Otto Preminger (Robert Mitchum, Marilyn Monroe, Rory Calhoun, Tommy Rettig)
Saskatchewan - Raoul Walsh (Alan Ladd, Shelley Winters, J. Carrol Naish, Hugh O'Brian, Jay Silverheels, Robert Douglas)
Silver Lode - Allan Dwan (John Payne, Dan Duryea, Lizabeth Scott)
Taza, Son of Cochise - Douglas Sirk (Rock Hudson, Barbara Rush, Rex Reason)
Three Hours to Kill - Alfred L. Werker (Dana Andrews, Donna Reed, Dianne Foster)
Track of the Cat - William A. Wellman (Robert Mitchum, Teresa Wright, Tab Hunter)
Vera Cruz - Robert Aldrich (Gary Cooper, Burt Lancaster, Cesar Romero, Ernest Borgnine, Charles Bronson, Denise Darcel, Jack Elam, Henry Brandon)
The Yellow Tomahawk - Lesley Selander (Rory Calhoun, Peggie Castle, Noah Beery Jr, Warner Anderson, Peter Graves, Lee Van Cleef, Rita Moreno)

1955
At Gunpoint - Alfred L. Werker (Fred MacMurray, Dorothy Malone, Walter Brennan, Skip Homeier, Whit Bissell, Tommy Rettig)
Chief Crazy Horse - George Sherman (Victor Mature, Suzan Ball, John Lund, Ray Danton, Keith Larsen, David Janssen)
Davy Crockett, King of the Wild Frontier - Norman Foster (Fess Parker, Buddy Ebsen)
The Far Country - Anthony Mann (James Stewart, Walter Brennan, Ruth Roman, Corinne Calvet, John McIntire, Jay C. Flippen, Harry Morgan, Jack Elam, Royal Dano)
The Far Horizons - Rudolph MatŽ (Fred MacMurray, Charlton Heston, Donna Reed)
Fort Yuma - Lesley Selander (Peter Graves, John Hudson)
The Indian Fighter - AndrŽ DeToth (Kirk Douglas, Walter Matthau, Elsa Martinelli)
The Kentuckian - Burt Lancaster (also Walter Matthau, Dianne Foster, John McIntire, John Carradine)
The Last Command - Frank Lloyd (Sterling Hayden, Richard Carlson, Ernest Borgnine, J. Carrol Naish, John Russell, Anna Maria Alberghetti, Arthur Hunnicutt)
The Last Frontier - Anthony Mann (Victor Mature, Guy Madison, Robert Preston, James Whitmore, Anne Bancroft)
A Lawless Street - Joseph H. Lewis (Randolph Scott, Angela Lansbury)
The Lonesome Trail - Richard Bartlett (John Agar, Wayne Morris)
A Man Alone - Ray Milland (also Ward Bond, Mary Murphy, Raymond Burr, Lee Van Cleef)
The Man from Laramie - Anthony Mann (James Stewart, Arthur Kennedy, Donal Crisp, Cathy O'Donnell, Alex Nicol, Jack Elam, Wallace Ford)
Man Without a Star - King Vidor (Kirk Douglas, Richard Boone, Jeanne Crain, Claire Trevor, William Campbell)
Man with the Gun - Richard Wilson (Robert Mitchum, Jan Sterling)
The Naked Dawn - Edgar G. Ulmer (Arthur Kennedy, Betta St. John)
Rage at Dawn - Tim Whelan (Randolph Scott, Forrest Tucker, Mala Powers)
Run for Cover - Nicholas Ray (James Cagney, John Derek, Viveca Lindfors, Jean Hersholt, Ernest Borgnine)
Santa Fe Passage - William Witney (John Payne, Faith Domergue, Rod Cameron, Slim Pickens)
The Silver Star - Richard Bartlett (Earle Lyon, Edgar Buchanan, Marie Windsor, Lon Chaney Jr, Barton MacLane)
The Spoilers - Jesse Hibbs (Jeff Chandler, Rory Calhoun, Anne Baxter, Ray Danton))
Stranger on Horseback - Jacques Tourneur (Joel McCrea, Kevin McCarthy)
Strange Lady in Town - Mervyn LeRoy (Dana Andrews, Greer Garson, Cameron Mitchell)
Tall Man Riding - Lesley Selander (Randolph Scott, Dorothy Malone)
The Tall Men - Raoul Walsh (Clark Gable, Robert Ryan, Jane Russell, Cameron Mitchell)
Tennessee's Partner - Allan Dwan (John Payne, Ronald Reagan, Rhonda Fleming)
Ten Wanted Men - Humberstone (Randolph Scott, Richard Boone, Jocelyn Brando)
Top Gun - Ray Nazarro (Sterling Hayden, William Bishop)
The Treasure of Pancho Villa - George Sherman (Rory Calhoun, Gilbert Roland, Shelley Winters, Joseph Calleia)
Untamed - Henry King (Tyrone Power, Susan Hayward, Richard Egan, Rita Moreno, Agnes Moorehead)
The Vanishing American - Joseph Kane (Scott Brady, Forrest Tucker)
The Violent Men - Rudolph MatŽ (Glenn Ford, Edward G. Robinson, Barbara Stanwyck, Dianne Foster, Brian Keith, Warner Anderson, Richard Jaeckel, May Wynn)
White Feather - Robert D. Webb (Robert Wagner, John Lund, Debra Paget, Jeffrey Hunter, Virginia Leith, Milburn Stone, Hugh O'Brian, Noah Berry Jr, Emile Meyer, Eduard Franz)
Wichita - Jacques Tourneur (Joel McCrea, Vera Miles, Lloyd Bridges, Carl Benton Reid, John Smith, Jack Elam, Wallace Ford, Peter Graves, Edgar Buchanan)

1956
Backlash - John Sturges (Richard Widmark, John McIntire, Donna Reed, William Campbell, Harry Morgan, Barton MacLane)
Bandido - Richard Fleischer (Robert Mitchum, Gilbert Roland, Zachary Scott, Henry Brandon, Ursula Thiess, Rodolfo Acosta, Dougles Fowley)
The Burning Hills - Stuart Heisler (Tab Hunter, Natalie Woods, Skip Homeier)
Dakota Incident - Lewis R. Foster (Dale Robertson, Linda Darnell, John Lund, Ward Bond, Whit Bissell, John Doucette, Skip Homeier, Regis Toomey)
A Day of Fury - Harmon Jones (Dale Robertson, Jock Mahoney, Mara Corday)
Drango - Hall Bartlett (Jeff Chandler, Ronald Howard, Joanne Dru, Donald Crisp, Julie London, John Lupton, Milburn Stone)
The Fastest Gun Alive - Russell Rouse (Glenn Ford, Broderick Crawford, Jeanne Crain, Russ Tamblyn)
The First Texan - Byron Haskin (Joel McCrea, Felicia Farr, Jeff Morrow, Jody McCrea, William Hopper)
Johnny Concho - Don McGuire (Frank Sinatra, Keenan Wynn, William Conrad, Phyllis Kirk)
Jubal - Delmer Daves (Glenn Ford, Rod Steiger, Felicia Farr, Ernest Borgnine, Charles Bronson, Valerie French)
The King and Four Queens - Raoul Walsh (Clark Gable, Eleanor Parker, Jo Van Fleet, Jean Willis, Sara Shane, Barbara Nichols, Jay C. Flippen)
The Last Hunt - Richard Brooks (Robert Taylor, Stewart Granger, Lloyd Nolan, Debra Paget, Russ Tamblyn)
The Last Wagon - Delmer Daves (Richard Widmark, Felicia Farr, Susan Kohner, Tommy Rettig, Nick Adams, Carl Benton Reid, James Drury)
Love Me Tender - Robert D. Webb (Richard Egan, Elvis Presley, Debra Paget, Robert Middleton, William Campbell, Neville Brand, Mildred Dunnock, Bruce Bennett)
Pillars of the Sky - George Marshall (Jeff Chandler, Dorothy Malone, Lee Marvin)
The Proud Ones - Robert D. Webb (Robert Ryan, Jeffrey Hunter, Virginia Mayo, Robert Middleton, Walter Brennan, Arthur O'Connell, Whit Bissell, Edward Platt)
Red Sundown - Jack Arnold (Rory Calhoun, Martha Hyer, Dean Jagger, Robert Middleton, Grant Williams, Leo Gordon)
Run of the Arrow - Samuel Fuller (Rod Steiger, Sara Montiel, Brian Keith, Ralph Meeker, Jay C. Flippen, Charles Bronson, Tim McCoy)
The Searchers - John Ford (John Wayne, Jeffrey Hunter, Natalie Wood, Ward Bond, Tom Tyler)
Seven Men from Now - Budd Boetticher (Randolph Scott, Lee Marvin, Gail Russell, John Larch, Stuart Whitman)
7th Cavalry - Joseph H. Lewis (Randolph Scott, Barbara Hale, Denver Pyle, Harry Carey Jr, Michael Pate, Leo Gordon, Frank Faylen)
Stagecoach to Fury - William F. Claxton (Forrest Tucker, Mari Blanchard) Stranger at My Door - William Witney (Macdonald Carey, Skip Homier, Patricia Medina, Slim Pickens)
Tension at Table Rock - Charles Marquis Warren (Richard Egan, Dorothy Malone, Cameron Mitchell, DeForrest Kelley, Royal Dano, Angie Dickinson, John Dehner, Joe De Santis, Edward Andrews, Paul Richards)
Tribute to a Bad Man - Robert Wise (James Cagney, Don Dubbins, Stephen McNally, Irene Papas, Vic Morrow, James Bell, Lee Van Cleef, Royal Dano)
Walk the Proud Land - Jesse Hibbs (Audie Murphy, Anne Bancroft, Charles Drake, Jay Silverheels)

1957
The Badge of Marshal Brennan - Albert C. Gannaway (Jim Davis, Arleen Whelan, Lee Van Cleef, Marty Robbins, Harry Lauter, Douglas Fowley)
The Big Land - Gordon Douglas (Alan Ladd, Edmund O'Brien, Virginia Mayo, David Ladd, Julie Bishop, Anthony Caruso)
Decision at Sundown - Budd Boetticher (Randolph Scott, John Carroll, Karen Steele, Valerie French, John Archer, Andrew Duggan, John Litel, Noah Berry Jr)
Forty Guns - Samuel Fuller (Barbara Stanwyck, Gene Barry, Dean Jagger, John Ericson, Barry Sullivan, Robert Dix)
Gunfight at the O.K. Corral - John Sturges (Burt Lancaster, Kirk Douglas, Rhonda Fleming, John Ireland, Jo Van Fleet, Lyle Bettger, Dennis Hopper, Earl Holliman)
Guns of Fort Petticoat - George Marshall (Audie Murphy, Kathryn Grant, Hope Emerson)
The Halliday Brand - Joseph H. Lewis (Joseph Cotten, Betsy Blair, Viveca Lindfors, Ward Bond, Bill Williams, Jeanette Nolan, Jay C. Flippen)
Joe Dakota - Richard Bartlett (Jock Mahoney, Luana Patten, Charles McGraw, Lee Van Cleef, Claude Akins, Barbara Lawrence, Paul Birch, Anthony Caruso)
The Lonely Man - Henry Levin (Jack Palance, Anthony Perkins, Neville Brand, Robert Middleton, Elisha Cook Jr, Claude Akins, Lee Van Cleef, Denver Byle)
Night Passage - James Neilson (James Stewart, Audie Murphy, Dan Duryea, Dianne Foster, Elaine Stewart, Brandon De Wilde, Jay C. Flippen, Jack Elam, Paul Fix)
The Oklahoman - Francis D. Lyon (Joel McCrea, Barbara Hale, Gloria Talbott, Verna Felton, Michael Pate, Brad Dexter)
Quantez - Harry Keller (Fred MacMurray, Dorothy Malone, John Larch, John Gavin, Sydney Chaplin, James Barton, Michael Ansara)
The Restless Breed - Allan Dwan (Scott Brady, Anne Bancroft, Jim Davis, Myron Healey, Scott Marlowe, Rhys Williams, Jay C. Flippen, Leo Gordon)
The Ride Back - Allen H. Miner (William Conrad, Anthony Quinn, Lita Milan)
Shoot-Out at Medicine Bend - Richard L. Bare (Randolph Scott, James Craig, Angie Dickinson, James Garner, Gordon Jones, Myron Healey)
3:10 to Yuma - Delmer Daves (Glenn Ford, Van Heflin, Felicia Farr, Henry Jones, Richard Jaeckel, Leora Dana)
The Tall Stranger - Thomas Carr (Joel McCrea, Virginia Mayo, Leo Gordon)
The Tall T - Budd Boetticher (Randolph Scott, Richard Boone, Maureen O'Sullivan, Arthur Hunnicutt, Skip Homeier, Henry Silva)
Three Violent People - Rudolph MatŽ (Charlton Heston, Anne Baxter, Gilbert Roland, Tom Tryon, Forrest Tucker, Bruce Bennett, Robert Blake, Barton MacLane)
The Tin Star - Anthony Mann (Henry Fonda, Anthony Perkins, Neville Brand, Betsy Palmer, Michel Ray, John McIntire, Lee Van Cleef)
Trooper Hook - Charles Marquis Warren (Joel McCrea, Barbara Stanwyck, Eal Holliman, Edward Andrews, John Dehner, Royal Dano, Susan Kohner, Rodolfo Acosta)
The True Story of Jesse James - Nicholas Ray (Robert Wagner, Jeffrey Hunter, Hope Lange, Agnes Moorehead, Alan Hale Jr, John Carradine)

1958
The Badlanders - Delmer Daves (Alan Ladd, Ernest Borgnine, Katy Jurado, Kent Smith, Claire Kelly, Nehemiah Persoff)
The Big Country - William Wyler (Gregory Peck, Jean Simmons, Charlton Heston, Burl Ives, Charles Bickford, Carroll Baker, Chuck Connors)
The Bravados - Henry King (Gregory Peck, Joan Collins, Henry Silva, Stephen Boyd, Lee Van Cleef, Albert Salmi, Andrew Duggan, Gene Evans)
Buchanan Rides Alone - Budd Boetticher (Randolph Scott, Craig Stevens, L. Q. Jones)
Cattle Empire - Charles Marquis Warren (Joel McCrea, Gloria Talbott, Don Haggerty, Phyllis Coates)
Cowboy - Delmer Daves (Glenn Ford, Jack Lemmon, Anna Kashfi, Brian Donlevy, Dick York, Richard Jaeckel)
The Fiend Who Walked the West - Gordon Douglas (Hugh O'Brian, Robert Evans, Linda Cristal, Stephen McNally, Edward Andrews, Dolores Michaels, Ron Ely)
From Hell to Texas - Henry Hathaway (Don Murray, Diane Varsi, Dennis Hopper, Chill Wills, R. G. Armstrong, Jay C. Flippen, Harry Carey Jr, John Larch)
Good Day for a Hanging - Nathan Juran (Fred MacMurray, Robert Vaughn, Margaret Hayes, Joan Blackman, James Drury, Emile Meyer, Denver Pyle)
Gunman's Walk - Phil Karlson (Van Heflin, Tab Hunter, Chief Blue Eagle, James Darren, Mickey Shaughnessy, Edward Platt, Kathryn Grant, Paul Birch)
The Last of the Fast Guns - George Sherman (Jock Mahoney, Gilbert Roland, Linda Cristal, Eduard Franz, Lorne Greene, Carl Benton Reid, Edward Platt)
The Law and Jake Wade - John Sturges (Robert Taylor, Richard Widmark, Patricia Owens, Robert Middleton, Henry Silva, DeForest Kelley)
The Left Handed Gun - Arthur Penn (Paul Newman, John Dehner, Lita Milan, Hurd Hatfield, Denver Pyle, James Congdon, James Best)
Man of the West - Anthony Mann (Gary Cooper, Lee J. Cobb, Julie London, Arthur O'Connell, Jack Lord, John Dehner, Royal Dano)
Man or Gun - Albert C. Gannaway (Macdonald Carey, James Craig, Audrey Totter, James Gleason, Warren Stevens)
The Proud Rebel - Michael Curtiz (Alan Ladd, Brandon De Wilde, Olivia de Havilland, Dean Jagger, Cecil Kellaway, John Carradine, Harry Dean Stanton)
Ride a Crooked Trail - Jesse Hibbs (Audie Murphy, Walter Matthau, Henry Silva, Gia Scala)
Saddle the Wind - Robert Parrish, John Sturges (Robert Taylor, John Cassavetes, Julie London, Donald Crisp, Charles McGraw, Royal Dano)
The Sheepman - George Marshall (Glenn Ford, Shirley MacLaine, Leslie Nielsen, Mickey Shaughnessy, Edgar Buchanan, Slim Pickens)
Terror in a Texas Town - Joseph H. Lewis (Sterling Hayden, Sebastian Cabot)
Westbound - Budd Boetticher (Randolph Scott, Virginia Mayo, Michael Dante, Andrew Duggan, Michael Pate, Karen Steele)

1959
Day of the Outlaw - AndrŽ DeToth (Robert Ryan, Burl Ives, Tina Louise)
The Hanging Tree - Delmer Daves (Gary Cooper, Karl Malden, Maria Schell, George C. Scott, Ben Piazza)
The Hangman - Michael Curtiz (Robert Taylor, Jack Lord, Tina Louise, Fess Parker, Gene Evans)
The Horse Soldiers - John Ford (John Wayne, William Holden, Hoot Gibson, Strother Martin, Ken Curtis, Constance Towers)
The Jayhawkers! - Melvin Frank (Jeff Chandler, Fess Parker, Henry Silva, Nicole Maurey, Leo Gordon, Don Megowan, Robert Shayne)
Last Train from Gun Hill - John Sturges (Kirk Douglas, Anthony Quinn, Carolyn Jones, Earl Holliman, Brad Dexter)
No Name on the Bullet - Jack Arnold (Audie Murphy, Charles Drake, Joan Evans, Warren Stevens, R. G. Armstrong, Whit Bissell, Jerry Paris, Virginia Grey)
Ride Lonesome - Budd Boetticher (Randolph Scott, Lee Van Cleef, Pernell Roberts, James Coburn, James Best, Karen Steele)
Rio Bravo - Howard Hawks (John Wayne, Dean Martin, Walter Brennan, Ricky Nelson, Angie Dickinson, John Russell)
These Thousand Hills - Richard Fleischer (Don Murray, Richard Egan, Lee Remick, Patricia Owens, Stuart Whitman)
They Came to Cordura - Robert Rossen (Gary Cooper, Rita Hayworth, Van Heflin, Tab Hunter, Richard Conte, Michael Callan, Dick York, Robert Keith)
Warlock - Edward Dmytryk (Henry Fonda, Richard Widmark, Anthony Quinn, Dorothy Malone, Dolores Michaels, Wallace Ford, Tom Drake, Richard Arlen, DeForest Kelley)
The Wild and the Innocent - Jack Sher (Audie Murphy, Joanne Dru, Gilbert Roland, Jim Backus, Sandra Dee, Strother Martin)
The Wonderful Country - Robert Parrish (Robert Mitchum, Gary Merrill, Albert Dekker, Julie London, Jack Oakie, Leroy 'Stachel' Paige, Victor Manuel Mendoza)

1960
The Alamo - John Wayne (Wayne, Laurence Harvey, Richard Widmark)
Cimarron - Anthony Mann (Glenn Ford, Maria Schell, Arthur O'Connell, Mercedes McCambridge, Vic Morrow, Russ Tamblyn, Robert Keith)
Comanche Station - Budd Boetticher (Randolph Scott, Claude Akins)
Flaming Star - Don Siegel (Elvis Presley, Dolores Del Rio)
Hell Bent for Leather - George Sherman (Audie Murphy, Stephen McNally, Felicia Farr, Robert Middleton)
The Magnificent Seven - John Sturges (Yul Brynner, Steve McQueen, Charles Bronson, Eli Wallach, Robert Vaughn, James Coburn, Horst Buchholz)
One Foot in Hell - James B. Clark (Alan Ladd, Don Murray)
The Plunderers - Joseph Pevney (Jeff Chandler, John Saxon)
Sergeant Rutledge - John Ford (Jeffrey Hunter, Woody Strode)
Seven Ways from Sundown - Harry Keller (Audie Murphy, Barry Sullivan)
The Unforgiven - John Huston (Burt Lancaster, Audrey Hepburn, Audie Murphy, Lillian Gish, John Saxon, Charles Bickford, Albert Salmi, Joseph Wiseman)

1961
The Comancheros - Michael Curtiz (John Wayne, Stuart Whitman, Lee Marvin)
The Deadly Companions - Sam Peckinpah (Maureen O'Hara, Brian Keith, Steve Cochran, Chill Wills, Strother Martin)
The Last Sunset - Robert Aldrich (Rock Hudson, Kirk Douglas, Joseph Cotten, Dorothy Malone, Neville Brand)
One Eyed Jacks - Marlon Brando (Brando, Karl Malden, Katy Juardo, Ben Johnson, Slim Pickens)
Posse from Hell - Herbert Coleman (Audie Murphy, John Saxon, Vic Morrow)
Two Rode Together - John Ford (James Stewart, Richard Widmark, Shirley Jones)

1962
How the West Was Won - John Ford, Henry Hathaway, George Marshall, Richard Thorpe (James Stewart, John Wayne, Gregory Peck, Karl Malden, George Peppard, Richard Widmark, Walter Brennan, Carroll Baker, Lee J. Cobb, Henry Fonda, Robert Preston, Carolyn Jones, Debbie Reynolds, Eli Wallach, Raymond Massey, Spencer Tracy)
Lonely Are the Brave - David Miller (Kirk Douglas, Walter Mattau, Gena Rowlands, Carroll O'Connor, George Kennedy)
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance - John Ford (James Stewart, John Wayne, Lee Marvin, Vera Miles)
Ride the High Country - Sam Peckinpah (Randolph Scott, Joel McCrea)

1963
The Man from Galveston - William Conrad (Jeffrey Hunter, James Coburn, Preston Foster)

1964
Cheyenne Autumn - John Ford (Richard Widmark, James Stewart, Karl Malden, Sal Mineo, Dolores del Rio, Ricardo Montalban, Gilbert Roland, Arthur Kennedy)
A Fistful of Dollars {Per un Pugno di Dollari} - Sergio Leone (Clint Eastwood)
Invitation to a Gunfighter - Richard Wilson (Yul Brynner, Janice Rule, George Segal)
The Outrage - Martin Ritt (Paul Newman, Laurence Harvey, Claire Bloom, Edward G. Robinson, William Shatner, Howard Da Silva, Albert Salmi, Paul Fix)

1965
For a Few Dollars More {Per Qualche Dollaro in Piœ} - Sergio Leone (Clint Eastwood, Lee Van Cleef)
Major Dundee - Sam Peckinpah (Charlton Heston, Richard Harris, James Coburn, Warren Oates, Ben Johnson, L. Q. Jones, Slim Pickens, Jim Hutton)
Ride the Whirlwind - Monte Hellman (Jack Nicholson, Cameron Mitchell, Millie Perkins, Harry Dean Stanton)
Shenandoah - Andrew V. McLaglen (James Stewart, Doug McClure, Glenn Corbett, Patrick Wayne, Katharine Ross, Rosemary Forsyth, George Kennedy, Denver Pyle, Paul Fix)
The Sons of Katie Elder - Henry Hathaway (John Wayne, Dean Martin, Martha Hyer, Earl Holliman, George Kennedy, Dennis Hopper)

1966
Alvarez Kelly - Edward Dmytryk (William Holden, Richard Widmark, Janice Rule, Patrick O'Neal)
The Appaloosa - Sidney J. Furie (Marlon Brando, John Saxon)
A Big Hand for the Little Lady - Fielder Cook (Henry Fonda, Joanne Woodward, Jason Robards, Charles Bickford, Paul Ford, Burgess Meredith)
Duel at Diablo - Ralph Nelson (James Garner, Sidney Poitier, Dennis Weaver)
The Good, the Bad and the Ugly {Il Buono, il Brutto, il Cattivo} - Sergio Leone (Clint Eastwood, Eli Wallach, Lee Van Cleef)
Nevada Smith - Henry Hathaway (Steve McQueen, Karl Malden, Brian Keith, Arthur Kennedy, Raf Vallone, Martin Landau, Suzanne Pleshette, Pat Hingle)
The Professionals - Richard Brooks (Burt Lancaster, Lee Marvin, Robert Ryan, Jack Palance,Woody Strode, Claudia Cardinale, Ralph Bellamy)

1967
El Dorado - Howard Hawks (John Wayne, Robert Mitchum, James Caan)
Hombre - Martin Ritt (Paul Newman, Fredric March, Richard Boone)
Hour of the Gun - John Sturges (James Garner, Jason Robards, Robert Ryan)
The Long Ride Home {A Time for Killing} - Phil Karlson (Glenn Ford, George Hamilton)
The Shooting - Monte Hellman (Jack Nicholson, Will Hutchins, Millie Perkins, Warren Oates)
The War Wagon - Burt Kennedy (John Wayne, Kirk Douglas, Howard Keel)
The Way West - Andrew V. McLaglen (Kirk Douglas, Robert Mitchum, Richard Widmark)
Welcome to Hard Times - Burt Kennedy (Henry Fonda, Janice Rule, Keenan Wynn, Warren Oates, Aldo Ray)

1968
Bandolero! - Andrew V. McLaglen (James Stewart, Dean Martin)
Blue - Silvio Narizzano (Terence Stamp, Karl Malden)
Day of the Evil Gun - Jerry Thorpe (Glenn Ford, Arthur Kennedy)
Firecreek - Vincent McEveety (James Stewart, Henry Fonda)
Five Card Stud - Henry Hathaway (Dean Martin, Robert Mitchum)
Guns for San Sebastian {La Bataille de San Sebastian} - Henri Verneuil (Anthony Quinn, Charles Bronson)
Hang 'em High - Ted Post (Clint Eastwood, Pat Hingle)
Lonesome Cowboys - Andy Warhol (Viva, Tom Hompertz)
Once Upon a Time in the West {C'era Una Volta il West} - Sergio Leone (Charles Bronson, Henry Fonda, Jason Robards, Claudia Cardinale)
Scalphunters - Sydney Pollack (Burt Lancaster, Telly Savalas, Ossie Davis, Shelley Winters)
The Stalking Moon - Robert Mulligan (Gregory Peck, Eva Marie Saint)
Villa Rides - Buzz Kulik (Robert Mitchum, Yul Brynner, Charles Bronson)
Will Penny - Tom Cries (Charlton Heston, Joan Hackett, Bruce Dern)

1969
Butch Cassidy & the Sundance Kid - George Roy Hill (Paul Newman, Robert Redford, Katharine Ross, Strother Martin)
Death of a Gunfighter - Don Siegel & Robert Totten as Alan Smithee (Richard Widmark, Lena Horne, Carroll O'Connor)
The Good Guys and the Bad Guys - Burt Kennedy (Robert Mitchum, George Kennedy, David Carradine)
Heaven with a Gun - Lee H. Katzin (Glenn Ford, Carolyn Jones)
Mackenna's Gold - J. Lee Thompson (Gregory Peck, Omar Sharif, Telly Savalas, Keenan Wynn, Camilla Sparv, Julie Newmar, Lee J. Cobb, Raymond Massey, Burgess Meredith, Anthony Quale, Edward G. Robinson, Eli Wallach)
100 Rifles - Tom Cries (Jim Brown, Burt Reynolds, Raquel Welch)
Tell Them Willie Boy Is Here - Abraham Polonsky (Robert Redford, Robert Blake, Katharine Ross)
True Grit - Henry Hathaway (John Wayne, Kim Darby, Glenn Campbell, Robert Duvall, Dennis Hopper)
The Undefeated - Andrew V. McLaglen (John Wayne, Rock Hudson)
The Wild Bunch - Sam Peckinpah (William Holden, Robert Ryan, Ernest Borgnine, Warren Oates, Ben Johnson, Edmond OÕBrien)

1970
The Ballad of Cable Hogue - Sam Peckinpah (Jason Robards, Stella Stevens, Storther Martin, L. Q. Jones)
The Cheyenne Social Club - Gene Kelly (James Stewart, Henry Fonda)
Chisum - Andrew V. McLaglen (John Wayne, Forrest Tucker, Ben Johnson)
El Topo - Alejandro Jodorowsky (Jodorowsky)
The Intruders - William A. Graham (Don Murray, Edmond OÕBrien, John Saxon)
Little Big Man - Arthur Penn (Dustin Hoffman, Chief Dan George)
A Man Called Horse - Elliot Silverstein (Richard Harris)
Madron - Jerry Hopper (Richard Boone, Leslie Caron)
Monte Walsh - William A. Fraker (Lee Marvin, Jack Palance, Jeanne Moreau)
Rio Lobo - Howard Hawks (John Wayne, Jack Elam)
Soldier Blue - Ralph Nelson (Candice Bergen)
There Was a Crooked Man - Joseph L. Mankiewicz (Henry Fonda, Kirk Douglas)
Two Mules for Sister Sara - Don Siegel (Clint Eastwood, Shirley MacLaine)

1971
Big Jake - George Sherman (John Wayne, Richard Boone)
Chato's Land - Michael Winner (Charles Bronson, Jack Palance, James Whitmore)
Doc - Frank D. Gilroy, Frank Perry (Stacy Keach, Faye Dunaway)
Giœ la Testa {A Fistful of Dynamite} - Sergio Leone (Rod Steiger, James Coburn)
A Gunfight - Lamont Johnson (Kirk Douglas, Johnny Cash)
Hannie Caulder - Burt Kennedy (Raquel Welch, Robert Culp, Ernest Borgnine)
The Hired Hand - Peter Fonda (Fonda, Warren Oates, Verna Bloom)
Lawman - Michael Winner (Burt Lancaster, Robert Ryan, Lee J. Cobb, Robert Duvall)
Man in the Wilderness - Richard C. Sarafian (Richard Harris, John Huston)
McCabe & Mrs. Miller - Robert Altman (Warren Beatty, Julie Christie)
One More Train to Rob - Andrew V. McLaglen (George Peppard)
Red Sun (Soleil Rouge) - Terence Young (Charles Bronson, Toshiro Mifune)
Shoot Out - Henry Hathaway (Gregory Peck)
A Time for Dying - Budd Boetticher (Audie Murphy)
A Town Called Hell - Robert Parrish (Robert Shaw, Telly Savalas, Martin Landau)
Valdez Is Coming - Edwin Sherin (Burt Lancaster)
Wild Rovers {Missouri} - Blake Edwards (William Holden, Ryan O'Neal, Karl Malden, Tom Skerritt, Joe Don Baker, Lynn Carlin)

1972
Bad Company - Robert Benton (Jeff Bridges, Jim Davis)
Buck and the Preacher - Sidney Poitier (Poitier, Harry Belafonte)
The Cowboys - Mark Rydell (John Wayne, Bruce Dern, Roscoe Lee Brown)
The Culpepper Cattle Company - Dick Richards (Gary Grimes, Bo Hopkins)
Dirty Little Billy - Stan Dragoti (Michael J. Pollard)
The Great Northfield, Minnesota Raid - Philip Kaufman (Cliff Robertson, Robert Duvall)
Kung Fu - Jerry Thorpe (David Carradine, Barry Sullivan, Albert Salmi)
Jeremiah Johnson - Sydney Pollack (Robert Redford)
Joe Kidd - John Sturges (Clint Eastwood, Robert Duvall, John Saxon)
The Life and Times of Judge Roy Bean - John Huston (Paul Newman, Huston, Richard Farnsworth, Ava Gardner, Tab Hunter, Stacy Keach, Roddy McDowell, Anthony Zerbe, Jacqueline Bisset, Michael Sarrazin, Ned Beatty, Anthony Perkins)
The Revengers - Daniel Mann (William Holden, Ernest Borgnine)
Ulzana's Raid - Robert Aldrich (Burt Lancaster)
The Wrath of God - Ralph Nelson (Robert Mitchum, Rita Hayworth)

1973
Cahill U.S. Marshal - Andrew V. McLaglen (John Wayne)
High Plains Drifter - Clint Eastwood (Eastwood)
Un Hombre Ilamado Noon (The Man Called Noon) - Peter Collinson (Richard Crenna, Stephen Boyd, Farley Granger, Rosanna Schiaffino)
Kid Blue - James Frawley (Dennis Hopper, Warren Oates, Ben Johnson, Peter Boyle)
The Man Who Loved Cat Dancing - Richard C. Sarafian (Burt Reynolds)
Il Mio Nome  Nessuno {My Name Is Nobody} - Tonino Valerii (Henry Fonda, Terence Hill)
Pat Garrett & Billy the Kid - Sam Peckinpah (Kris Kristofferson, James Coburn, Slim Pickens, Katy Juardo, Jason Robards)
Showdown - George Seaton (Rock Hudson, Dean Martin)
The Train Robbers - Burt Kennedy (John Wayne, Ann-Margret, Ben Johnson)

1974
Little House on the Prairie - Michael Landon (Landon)
Zandy's Bride - Jan Troell (Gene Hackman, Liv Ullmann)

1975
Bite the Bullet - Richard Brooks (Gene Hackman, James Coburn)
Breakheart Pass - Tom Cries (Charles Bronson, Ben Johnson)
Posse - Kirk Douglas (Douglas, Bruce Dern)
Rooster Cogburn - Stuart Millar (John Wayne, Katharine Hepburn)

1976
Buffalo Bill and the Indians - Robert Altman (Paul Newman, Burt Lancaster)
The Last Hard Men - Andrew V. McLaglen (Charlton Heston, James Coburn)
The Missouri Breaks - Arthur Penn (Marlon Brando, Jack Nicholson)
The Outlaw Josey Wales - Clint Eastwood (Eastwood, Chief Dan George, John Vernon)
The Return of a Man Called Horse - Irvin Kershner (Richard Harris)
The Shootist - Don Siegel (John Wayne, James Stewart, Lauren Bacall, Richard Boone, Ron Howard, Hugh O'Brian)

1977
The White Buffalo - J. Lee Thompson (Charles Bronson, Jack Warden)

1978
Comes a Horseman - Alan J. Pakula (James Caan, Jane Fonda, Jason Robards, Richard Farnsworth, George Grizzard, Jim Davis, Mark Harmon, James Keach)
Goin' South - Jack Nicholson (Nicholson, Mary Stenburgen, Christopher Lloydk, John Belushi, Danny DeVito, Luana Anders, Veronica Cartwright)

1979
Eagle's Wing - Anthony Harvey (Martin Sheen, Harvey Keitel, Sam Waterson)
Heartland - Richard Pearce (Rip Torn, Conchata Ferrell)
The Last Ride of the Dalton Gang - Dan Curtis (Randy Quaid, Jack Palance)
The Sacketts - Robert Totten (Sam Elliott, Tom Selleck, Glenn Ford, Ben Johnson)

1980
Heaven's Gate - Michael Cimino (Kris Kristofferson, Christopher Walken, John Hurt, Sam Waterson, Joseph Cotten, Jeff Bridges)
The Long Riders - Walter Hill (David, Keith & Robert Carradine, Stacy & James Keach)
The Mountain Men - Richard Lang (Charlton Heston, Brian Keith)
Tom Horn - William Wiard (Steve McQueen, Richard Farnsworth)
Windwalker - Kieth Merrill (Trevor Howard)

1981
Cattle Annie and Little Britches - Lamont Johnson (Burt Lancaster, Rod Steiger, Scott Glenn, Redmond Gleeson, Diane Lane, Amanda Plummer)
The Legend of the Lone Ranger - William A. Fraker (Jason Robards, Christopher Lloyd, Klinton Spilsbury)

1982
The Ballad of Gregorio Cortez - Robert M. Young (Edward James Olmos)
Barbarosa - Fred Schepisi (Willie Nelson, Gary Busey, Gilbert Roland)
The Grey Fox - Philip Borsos (Richard Farnsworth, Jackie Burroughs)
The Legend of Walks Far Woman - Mel Damski (Raquel Welch, Bradford Dillman)
The Man from Snowy River - George T. Miller (Tom Burlinson, Kirk Douglas)
The Shadow Riders - Andrew V. McLaglen (Tom Selleck, Sam Elliott, Ben Johnson)

1984
Draw! - Steven Hilliard Stern (Kirk Douglas, James Coburn)

1985
Pale Rider - Clint Eastwood (Eastwood, Michael Moriarty, Carrie Snodgress, Sydney Penny, John Russell, Richard Kiel)
Silverado - Lawrence Kasdan (Scott Glenn, Kevin Kline, Kevin Costner, Danny Glover, John Cleese, Jeff Goldblum, Linda Hunt, Brian Dennehy, Rosanna Arquette)

1986
Kung Fu: The Movie - Richard Lang (David Carradine, Brandon Lee, Martin Landau)
The Last Days of Frank and Jesse James - William A. Graham (Johnny Cash, Kris Kristofferson)
Stagecoach - Ted Post (The Highwaymen: Willie Nelson, Kris Kristofferson, Johnny Cash, Waylon Jennings)

1987
Alamo: Thirteen Days to Glory - Burt Kennedy (James Arness, Brian Keith, Alec Baldwin)
Gunsmoke: Return to Dodge - Vincent McEveety (James Arness, Amanda Blake)
The Quick and the Dead - Robert Day (Sam Elliott, Kate Capshaw)

1988
The Tracker - John Guillermin (Kris Kristofferson, Scott Wilson)
Young Guns - Christopher Cain (Emilio Estevez, Kiefer Sutherland, Lou Diamond Phillips, Charlie Sheen, Terence Stamp, Jack Palance, Brian Keith, Patrick Wayne)

1989
Lonesome Dove - Simon Wincer (Robert Duvall, Tommy Lee Jones, Robert Urich, Danny Glover, Diane Lane, Frederic Forrest, Angelica Huston, Rick Schroder)
Old Gringo - Luis Puenzo (Gregory Peck, Jane Fonda, Jimmy Smits)

1990
Dances with Wolves - Kevin Costner (Costner, Mary McDonnell, Graham Greene)
Quigley Down Under - Simon Wincer (Tom Selleck, Alan Rickman)
Thousand Pieces of Gold - Nancy Kelly (Rosalind Chao)
Young Guns II - Geoff Murphy (Emilio Estevez, Kiefer Sutherland)

1991
Conagher - Reynaldo Villalobos (Sam Elliott, Katharine Ross)
Son of the Morning Star - Mike Robe (Gary Cole, Rosanna Arquette)

1992
Unforgiven - Clint Eastwood (Eastwood, Gene Hackman, Richard Harris, Morgan Freeman)

1993
The Ballad of Little Jo - Maggie Greenwald (Suzy Amis, Bo Hopkins, Ian McKellen)
Geronimo: An American Legend - Walter Hill (Gene Hackman, Robert Duvall, Wes Studi)
Posse - Mario Van Peebles (Van Peebles, Stephen Baldwin, Charles Lane)
Tombstone - George P. Cosmatos (Kurt Russell, Val Kilmer, Sam Elliott, Bill Paxton)

1994
Blind Justice - Richard Spence (Armand Assante, Elisabeth Shue)
The Desperate Trail - P.J. Pesce (Sam Elliott, Linda Fiorentino)
Frank and Jesse - Robert Boris (Rob Lowe, Bill Paxton)
The Last Outlaw - Geoff Murphy (Mickey Rourke)
Maverick - Richard Donner (Mel Gibson, James Garner, Jodie Foster)
Wyatt Earp - Lawrence Kasdan (Kevin Costner, Gene Hackman)

1995
The Avenging Angel - Craig R. Baxley (Tom Berenger, James Coburn, Charlton Heston)
Black Fox - Steven Hilliard Stern (Christopher Reeve, Tony Todd, Raoul Trujillo, Janet Bailey, Nancy Sorel)
Buffalo Girls - Rod Hardy (Anjelica Huston, Melanie Griffith, Gabriel Byrne, Jack Palance)
Children of the Dust {A Good Day to Die} - David Greene (Sidney Poitier, Michael Moriarty, Shirley Knight)
Dead Man - Jim Jarmusch (Johnny Depp, Gary Farmer, John Hurt, Robert Mitchum, Gabriel Byrne, Billy Bob Thornton)
The Good Old Boys - Tommy Lee Jones (Jones, Frances McDormand, Sam Shepard, Sissy Spacek)
Gunfighter's Moon - Larry Ferguson (Lance Henriksen)
In Pursuit of Honor - Ken Olin (Don Johnson, Rod Steiger)
The Quick and the Dead - Sam Raimi (Sharon Stone, Gene Hackman)
Streets of Laredo - Joseph Sargent (James Garner, Sissy Spacek, Sam Shepard)
Tashunga {North Star} - Nils Gaup (James Caan, Christopher Lambert)
Wild Bill - Walter Hill (Jeff Bridges, David Arquette)

1996
Dead Man's Walk - Yves Simoneau (F. Murray Abraham, Edward James Olmos, Keith Carradine, Brian Dennehy, Harry Dean Stanton, David Arquette, Patricia Childress)
The Lazarus Man {series} - Johnny E. Jensen, Norman S. Powell (Robert Urich)
Riders of the Purple Sage - Charles Haid (Ed Harris, Amy Madigan, Henry Thomas, Robin Tunney)

1997
Buffalo Soldiers - Charles Haid (Danny Glover)
Dead Man's Gun - Neill Fearnley, Joseph L. Scanlan, Brad Turner (Kris Kristofferson)
Ebenezer - Ken Jubenvill (Jack Palance, Rick Schroder)
True Women - Karen Arthur (Dana Delany, Annabeth Gish, Angelina Jolie)

1998
Dollar for the Dead - Gene Quintano (Emilio Estevez, William Forsythe)
Duelo ao Por-do-Sol {Sunset Duel} - Gustavo Schneider (Alexandre Buaes
Il Mio West {My West} - Giovanni Veronesi (Harvey Keitel, David Bowie, Leonardo Pieraccioni)
Two for Texas - Rod Hardy (Kris Kristofferson, Tom Skerritt, Peter Coyote, Scott Bairstow, Irene Bedard)
Wind River - Tom Shell (Blake Heron, Russell Means, Wes Studi, Karen Allen, A Martinez)

1999
The Jack Bull - John Badham (John Cusack, John Goodman, L. Q. Jones, John Savage, Miranda Otto)
Purgatory - Uli Edel (Sam Shepard, Eric Roberts, Randy Quaid)
Ravenous - Antonia Bird (Guy Pearce, Robert Carlyle, David Arquette)
Ride with the Devil - Ang Lee (Tobey Maguire, Jeffrey Wright, Jewel, Skeet Ulrich, Simon Baker, James Caviezel)

2000
The Claim - Michael Winterbottom (Nastassja Kinski, Peter Mullan, Wes Bentley, Sarah Polley, Milla Jovovich)
South of Heaven, West of Hell - Dwight Yoakam (Yoakam, Vince Vaughn, Billy Bob Thornton, Bridget Fonda, Peter Fonda, Paul Reubens, Bo Hopkins, Bud Cort)

2001
American Outlaws - Les Mayfield (Colin Farrell, Scott Caan, Ali Larter, Gabriel Macht)
Crossfire Trail - Simon Wincer (Tom Selleck, Virginia Madsen)
Dust - Milcho Manchevski (Joseph Fiennes, David Wenham, Anne Brochet, Adrian Lester, Rosemary Murphy)
The Journeyman - James Crowley (Brad Hunt, Daniel Lapaine, Willie Nelson)

2003
And Starring Poncho Villa As Himself - Bruce Beresford (Antonio Banderas, Eion Bailey)
Monte Walsh - Simon Wincer (Tom Selleck, Isabella Rossellini, Keith Carradine)
Open Range - Kevin Costner (Costner, Robert Duvall, Annette Bening)

2004
Deadwood {series} - Walter Hill, Davis Guggenheim, Edward Bianchi, etc. (Timothy Olyphant, Ian McShane, Molly Parker, Powers Booth, Keith Carradine)

2005
The Proposition - John Hillcoat (Guy Pearce, Richard Wilson, John Hurt)
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Ghoul on 08-03-2007, 17:56:50
pih!
pola ovih naslova su zapravo horori.

evo, recimo, RAVENOUS...
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Джон Рейнольдс on 08-03-2007, 19:14:19
:roll:

A gde su Django, Keoma, Death Rides a Horse...
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Ghoul on 08-03-2007, 19:22:05
Quote from: "John Reynolds":roll:

A gde su Django, Keoma, Death Rides a Horse...

nije bilo mesta.
morali su u 500 da uvrste sve one horore.
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Джон Рейнольдс on 08-03-2007, 19:25:36
Ćuti, važno je da od (vestern) horora nisu uvrsili Bad Girls, pa da krene priča o inferiornosti tog (meta)žanra.
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Tex on 08-03-2007, 22:15:10
Quote from: "Ghoul"pih!
pola ovih naslova su zapravo horori.

evo, recimo, RAVENOUS...


Blago tebi kada svuda vidis horor. :wink:
Title: Hm...
Post by: Tex Murphy on 08-03-2007, 22:34:31
Stvarno ne znam šta ga je motivisalo da jedan običan film o ljudožderima koji dobijaju natprirodnu snagu od ljudskog mesa proglasi za horor  :?
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: EKSTREMISTA on 05-11-2007, 17:43:08
Deadwood je seča.
Konačno su zagriženi vestern fanovi dočekali pravu stvar.Posle dužeg vremena imamo priliku da vidimo autentični Divlji zapad i njegove glavne aktere onakve kakvi su zaista bili -prljavi,pokvareni i ružni uz ponekog usamljenog borca za pravdu što je maestralno dočarano preko odličnih,većinom manje poznatih glumaca (fascinantni  Ian McShane kao Al i Robin Weigert kao Kalamiti Džejn),uz par zvezda(Karadinu je uloga Bila Hikoka jedna od najboljih u karijeri),kroz gotovo dokumentarnu režiju i sjajno napisane dijaloge.
Ako ste očekivali puno akcije i pucnjavu radi pucnjave,toga ovde nema ali se zato iz epizode u epizodu sve bolje i dinamičnije razvija priča,grade odnosi između likova i što je najvažnije svaka epizoda je bolja od prethodne.
Da za seriju malo ko uopšte zna pobrinuli su se moroni sa b92 jer je emituju u vampirskom terminu od 00 i 40 da im ne bi kvarila programsku šemu prilagođenu Velikom blatu.(zvanično objašnjenje je nasilje,golotinja i psovke koje su zaštitni znak serije).
HBO je ugasio Deadwood posle treće sezone jer su troškovi bili u nesrazmeri sa gledanošću(prosečan američki puk se žalio da im je teško da prate dijaloge jer su suviše Šekspirovski ),što je razbesnelo fanatike US tv serija jer tvrde da je uz Wire to najbolja stvar ikada urađena za američku televiziju.

Al Swearengen: Get a fucking haircut. Looks like your mother fucked a monkey.
Title: Re: Hm...
Post by: Rommel on 08-11-2007, 22:56:56
Quote from: "Harvester"Klint Istvud je istinska legenda, a Džon Vejn je iritantni lajavi desničarski fašistički krelac i mislim da ga zbog dobrog ukusa ne treba spominjati u ozbiljnoj diskusiji. I taj jedan jedini lik koji on igra u svakom svom filmu je smrad, jer zapravo glumi samog sebe. I njegovi filmovi su, da se ne zezamo, smijurija (ograđujem se od nekih poznatijih, koje još nisam smogao snage da pogledam, kao npr. Rio Bravo i Searchers, a nisam ih pogledao upravo zato što ne podnosim Džona Vejna). I uostalom, da se ne zezamo, Klint Istvud je najveće ime vesterna. Ne samo da je režirao najbolji vestern EVER, nego je još i glumio u njemu.
HARVI od čovjeka koji voli dobre igrice uistinu nisam očekivao takvu glupost....john wayne je jedan od največih - što je pokazao u filmovima atipičnim njemu - gdje su drugi briljirirali - THE MAN WHO SHOT LIBERTY VALANCE a i QUIET MAN(iako nije western)- ali njegova konjička trilogija su jedni od najboljih westerna ikada - poglavito FORT APACHE - čovjek koji ga je vidio u red riveru rekao je da nije nikad znao kako taj veliki balvan (bez ikakvih konotacija na balvan revoluciju) zna glumiti iako je snimio brojne filmove prije toga s njime, a još više poslije toga s njime - a  zvaše se john ford...jednom davno u sedmom razredu osnovne škole učiteljica iz engleskoga pitala nas je koji nam je omiljeni glumac - htjedoh reči burt lancaster ili james mason - od kad znam za sebe oni su my all time favorites - ali se ne mogah sjetiti tada - i rekoh john wayne - čiji je ciklus išao nedjeljom u 5 - ismijali su me kako mogu voliti takva zadrta desničara budale blesave - ali ni dan danas ne žalim što to rekoh iako NIJE najdraži mi glumac WAYNE je legenda - obožavam i film radi kojeg je ( po meni prerano ) odjahao u smrt - THE CONQUEROR - WAyne kao Ghengis Kan - ali sniman u preozračenoj nevadi nakon koje je pola i više ekipe zaglavilo - Dick Powell (sjajan u murder my sweet još bolji kao režiser u THE ENEMY BELOW)  wayne, mnogi drugi...bez JOHNA WAYNEA western ne bi bio isti, možda ga i ne bi bilo
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Rommel on 08-11-2007, 23:08:16
Quote from: "Alex"

Vejn je genijalac. Njegov način prirodne filmske glume zajednički je i za mnoge velike zvezde filma (od Džimi Stjuarta do Šona Konerija). Njegovi vesterni su izuzetni od Rio Brava, El Dorada, Crvene reke (Hoks), preko Nosila je žutu traku, Rio Grande, Čovek koji je ubio Liberti Valansa, Tragači, Poštanska kočija (Džona Forda) do mnogih drugih, kao Dark Command Raula Volša itd. To su neprevazićeni klasici i temelj filmske umetnosti.

Bio je desničar (ekstremni?), pa šta? Zbog toga bi trebalo da mrzim svakog drugog Srbijanca ili 3/4 sugrađana?

I svaki filmski laik treba da zna da je vestern žanr nad žanrovima - nadžanr, bar što se filma tiče.


da sam ovo procitao prije ne bi ja lajao :wink:
Title: Hm...
Post by: Tex Murphy on 09-11-2007, 01:05:46
Ako se dobro sjećam, Romele, moj komentar o Vejnu je bio u polušaljivom tonu, tokom neke "rasprave" s Aleksom ili sl. Uglavnom, poslije smo došli do zadovoljavajuće konkluzije  :wink:
Title: Re: Hm...
Post by: Ghoul on 09-11-2007, 04:42:49
Quote from: "Rommel"bez JOHNA WAYNEA western ne bi bio isti, možda ga i ne bi bilo

uf uf uf, nemojmo preterivati, romele; vestern ne bi bio 'isti' ni bez mnogo minornijih figura od vejna (tako da gornja tvrdnja ne kazuje baš mnogo), a da ga ne bi bilo uopšte bez vejna... puff, i to je gnusno preterivanje. pored ostalog i zato što vejn ne igra u nekim od najboljih, poput TAČNO U PODNE ili WILD BUNCH.
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Rommel on 09-11-2007, 11:58:07
ali je wayne radio westerne daleko ranije...jedan je od onih koji su definirali žanr....
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: PTY on 09-11-2007, 17:50:09
Okej, vidim da je na ovoj Aleksovoj listi izostavljena Drimvorksova miniserija Into The West, iako spada u 2005 produkciju ali, svejedno, ko god da je odgledao tu miniserijalnu tragikomediju shvatiće odmah šta je to doakalo vesternu kao žanru. I džaba nam onda Deadwood – koji je primarno drama, dragi moj Extremisto, i to smradno dobra drama, a tek onda dobra drama proizvoljno smeštena u milje vesterna -- jer Sverendžen bi bio jednako impresivan čak i kao Puzov mafiozo kum, valjda nam je to svima ovde jasno -- kad je toliko očigledno da je ideja zasićena uglavnom zato što žanr danas nema iskrenog sledbeništva, ni u kinematografiji niti u prozi. Ko je odgledao Into The West, shvatiće o čemu govorim; vestern se sveo na žongliranje ikonografijom i ništa više. U najboljem slučaju dobićeš dobru, možda čak i izuzetnu fotografiju prerije i to ti je to; ostalo se svodi na najbanalniju stereotipiziaciju bez trunke imaginacije, sposobnu da plasira isključivo crno-belu varijantu jednog sveta bez ikakve nijanse: noble savage na strani indijanaca i kojekakvi isprva-retardirani goniči stoke kojima je najveći problem u životu ili železnica ili bodljikava žica: to kao epitomizacija "progresa"! ili "civilizacije" ili nekog tome sličnog sranja.

Više naprosto nema terena za sveže ideje o onome što je ne tako davno bila zapravo sama grandiozna suština vesterna kao žanra: o dihtomiji dobra i zla i o večitoj borbi zakona vs pravičnosti.

Dragi moji, vestern se udavio u sopstvenoj ikonografiji. Držte se Serđa Leonea kod kojeg je samo Li Van Klif imao više karizme nego svi današnji jeftini glumački mrsomudi (opet podvlačim, Dedvud je nešto drugo, pa ga se ove ekstrapolacije i ne (do)tiču) i to vam je otprilike to, dragi moji.   :(
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Will-O'-The-Wisp on 09-11-2007, 19:37:06
Quote from: "Alex"I svaki filmski laik treba da zna da je vestern žanr nad žanrovima - nadžanr, bar što se filma tiče.

Eto, ja volim vesterne, ali ne znam da je vestern zanr nad zanrovima, nadzanr, nadrizanr, metazanr, parazanr, sve zajedno. Znam, gori sam i od najgoreg filmskog laika, ali bih zamolio Alexa da mi pojasni ovu tvrdnju, pa da i ja nesto (sa)znam.
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Alex on 09-11-2007, 21:44:25
Ako se dobro sećam Wille, moj komentar o vesternu kao nadžanru je bio u polurevoltiranim tonu, tokom neke "rasprave" sa Harvom i Ghoulom i sl. Uglavnom, posle smo došli do nezadovoljavajuće konvulzije.
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Ghoul on 09-12-2007, 20:54:50
repriziro sam ONCE UPON A TIME IN THE WEST.

film je gigantski, gargantuanski genijalan u svojoj prvoj polovini, toliko da to nije ni zadivljujuće ni fascinantno jer su te reči premale da iskažu osjećaj prenadrkanosti svakog kadra!
bukvalno sam se divio svakoj zasebnoj kompoziciji u kadru, pa čak i ritmu pokreta junaka u okviru istih, te uglovima iz kojih ih kamera hvata i osvetljenju pod kojim su! ne znam da li je leone smarao i vraćao kadrove po 100 puta kao kjubrik, ali mu svaki ovde deluje kao da jeste.
each and every one of them FEELS RIGHT!
da i ne govorim o likovnim kvalitetima glumaca (te face! te fizionomije! bronsonovo lice u krupnom planu tretirano kao neki divlji alien LANDSCAPE!) i kostima, sa jebeno genijalnim mantilima koji lepršaju kao iza nekih satanističkih monaha - demona!
znači, pogođeno je sve što treba da se pogodi tačno u sam samcit centar mete!
sa-vr-še-no!

posebno mi prija to što su mnoge scene snimane kao da se radi o hororu, i to toliko da sam u par navrata zažalio što se leone nikada nije okušao u hororu! kakvo bi to ludilo bilo! verovatno kao stenli pre stenlija, samo još nabudženiji i luđi!

u drugoj polovini, međutim, zaplet se upliće sam u sebe, postaje sve proizvoljniji i besciljniji, gube se niti u nekim nemotivisanim retardacijama (harmonika i frenk se sreću bar 3-4 puta pre finalnog obračuna, i nije jasno zašto svoje račune ne raščiste mnogo ranije nego što to zaista učine) i film nema onu jasnu linearnu teleologiju, usmerenost ka jasnom cilju kakvu ima THE GOOD, BAD & UGLY (gde vrludanja manje smetaju i manje se udaljavaju od centra, jer tu ipak ima 'samo' 3 glavna junaka, dok  ih ovde ima bar 5-6.)

dakle, rekao bih da ta hipertrofija čini da se pred kraj film malkice ulegne pod sopstvenom težinom, izgubi onaj zamajac s početka i donekle oslabi efekat tih finalnih obračuna (od kojih se jedan čak dešava offscreen!).
kažem, donekle, mada ne radikalno.
uz sva cepidlačenja i ne-baš-cepidlačenja, ONCE ostaje VELIKI film, kome dajem 4+ kako bih ga distancirao od 5- za GOOD, BAD & UGLY.
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Alex on 10-12-2007, 01:29:49
Precisely.

Biće nešto od tebe.
Title: Re: Hm...
Post by: Alexdelarge on 10-05-2008, 17:43:53
Quote from: "Harvester"Klint Istvud je istinska legenda, a Džon Vejn je iritantni lajavi desničarski fašistički krelac i mislim da ga zbog dobrog ukusa ne treba spominjati u ozbiljnoj diskusiji. I taj jedan jedini lik koji on igra u svakom svom filmu je smrad, jer zapravo glumi samog sebe. I njegovi filmovi su, da se ne zezamo, smijurija (ograđujem se od nekih poznatijih, koje još nisam smogao snage da pogledam, kao npr. Rio Bravo i Searchers, a nisam ih pogledao upravo zato što ne podnosim Džona Vejna). I uostalom, da se ne zezamo, Klint Istvud je najveće ime vesterna. Ne samo da je režirao najbolji vestern EVER, nego je još i glumio u njemu.


The "Duke" and Democracy: On John Wayne
By Charles Taylor
ONE OF THE great joys of the movies is their ability to convince us that we know the people on screen. Even the varied performances of the most versatile stars are often not strong enough to prevail against the overarching image we've formed of them. When Joan Didion met John Wayne on the set of the 1965 The Sons of Katie Elder, she wrote of having the sense that his face was more familiar to her than her husband's.

And yet Wayne, whose centenary occurred this past spring, remains in some ways the most undefined of iconic movie stars. When we say we "know" Humphrey Bogart or Greta Garbo, or George Clooney or Julia Roberts, we're talking about the intimacy we feel from having watched them at work. But much of what's "known" of John Wayne depends on ignoring what's on screen.

To the left, Wayne has always been close to a comic-book version of American power in all its swaggering crudeness. That his screen persona was neither swaggering nor crude hardly mattered. It was easier to think of Wayne as something like the vigilante of the plains—macho, indomitable, always in the right, ordering women and Indians around because that's the way God planned it.

It's inevitable that with nearly two hundred pictures to his credit (Wayne's 1939 breakthrough, John Ford's Stagecoach was his eightieth movie), some of Wayne's roles do fit the traditional macho hero mold. But the image that persists of him seems more reinforced by things like his public support of conservative causes, as well as by his directing and starring in the pro-Vietnam War picture The Green Berets. And it's been reinforced by the fact that Wayne worked primarily in Westerns, the most frequently, and often baselessly, stereotyped of movie genres.

"John Wayne represents more force, more power than anyone else on the screen," his frequent director Howard Hawks once said. A performer who wields that kind of force, and has a physical presence to match, does not provide nuanced pleasure. But only the crudest reading would reduce the overwhelming force of Wayne's persona to gung-ho cheerleading for American right and American might. To be true to the contradictions and moral ambiguities of Wayne's best performances—Stagecoach, Red River, The Searchers, True Grit, El Dorado—you'd have to say he stands not so much for American power as for the American experiment—and thus for the possibility that it could all go wrong.

And in Howard Hawks's 1959 Rio Bravo, the director's masterpiece (now out in a beautifully remastered DVD from Warner Bros.), Wayne gave us the richest, most likable, and probably the most daring version of his screen persona. The story, by the veteran screenwriters Leigh Brackett and Jules Furthman, couldn't be simpler. Joe Burdett, the youngest brother of ruthless power broker Nathan Burdett, kills an unarmed man in cold blood. Sheriff John T. Chance (Wayne) arrests Joe, intending to hold him in the local jail for the six days it will take the marshall to arrive and transport Joe to trial. Burdett, rich enough to believe the law doesn't apply to him, orders his men to bottle up the town. His plan is to bust Joe out and kill anyone who stands in their way. Chance's only help comes from his two deputies, the once-capable Dude (Dean Martin), who's been in a heartbroken alcoholic stupor for two years, and the elderly, crippled Stumpy (Walter Brennan), swindled out of his land by Burdett years ago.

The inspiration for Rio Bravo came from perhaps the most praised of Westerns, Fred Zinnemann's 1952 High Noon. High-Minded Noon it might have been called. Existing for no other reason than to impart a lesson in good citizenship, High Noon was a transparent metaphor for the failure of Americans to stand up to Joe McCarthy. Hawks hated it. Narratively, Hawks felt it made no sense for Gary Cooper's sheriff to spend the movie soliciting the townspeople's help to fend off the killers coming for him only to prove, in the end, that he didn't need help. Hawks was offended by the idea that a sheriff would endanger the lives of the people he was meant to protect by trying to recruit them to save his skin.

So Hawks made a movie in which Wayne's sheriff turns down the help offered him, and needs it at every turn. In other words, it was another of Hawks's celebrations of the sustaining communities that are at the heart of his best films. Over and over, Hawks tells the stories of disparate individuals who, by necessity or fluke, drift together into groups that meld their professional and personal lives. The ad hoc communities of Only Angels Have Wings, To Have and Have Not, The Thing . . . From Another World, Hatari!, and El Dorado are held together by an unspoken ethos that values competence, confidence, resourcefulness, respect and self-respect, stern generosity, shared good humor, empathy, and the ability to recognize and appreciate those qualities in others. Human frailty (Dean Martin's alcoholism in Rio Bravo; Walter Brennan's in To Have and Have Not) is acknowledged but never judged to be the sum of a person's character. Women are assumed to be every bit as capable as men. Hawks recognized the differences between responsibility and duty, sympathy and pity, honesty and cruelty, individualism and selfishness.

None of this is conveyed in the speeches or grand gestures common to prestige pictures.. Instead these values are conveyed in the smallest moments. The dramatic weight in Rio Bravo is reserved for the moments when the characters' faith in each other, or in themselves, is tested. The suspense of the sequence where Dude and Chance follow a killer into Burdett's saloon doesn't come from whether or not they'll get him, but from whether Dude is going to be able to recover his confidence enough to keep in charge of the situation. Each incident flows so unobtrusively into the next that you're scarcely aware of structure, but so delighted by the supreme relaxation of the performers (particularly Martin, who's superb) that you're never bored.

GIVEN THE traditional solitary nature of the Western hero, Wayne would seem to be the wrong choice for a Western that celebrates community. And in our first glimpse of Wayne, a low-angle shot, he literally towers over us. The point of view is Dude's. Broke and in bad need of a drink, he slinks into a saloon where Joe Burdett cruelly tosses a gold piece into a spittoon. Dude stoops down to fish it out only for a boot to kick the spittoon away from him. Looking up, Dude sees Chance, whose stern face conveys both disgust that anyone could sink so low and the conviction that no one need do so.

A conventional director might have followed through with Dude steadying himself, rising to his feet, and walking out of the bar, still dry but with his remaining dignity intact. Hawks, the iconoclast, gives us something more unexpected, and truer to the desperation born of weakness: Dude waiting for Chance to turn his back before clubbing him unconscious.

That action undercuts any potential for the scene to turn into Dude's sentimental redemption. But just a few moments later, proving Chance's implicit admonition that he can pull himself up from the depths, Dude saves Chance's life when the Burdett men have the sheriff surrounded.

Chance is the heroic figure whose self-sufficiency inspires the others to rise above their shortcomings. But because this is a celebration of democracy, the result isn't a race of isolated heroes but a community in which the strength of each individual buoys up everyone else. Even Chance, the strongest person in the movie, can't do without those people. "You start," Hawks said of casting the movie, "with the idea that if you don't get a damn good actor with Wayne, he's going to blow him right off the screen, not just by the fact that he's good, but by his power, his strength." Hawks's faith in the cast he assembled here mirrors Chance's faith in his comrades. He may inspire them to rise to their feet, as he does with Dude, but each one is finally capable of standing alongside him.

PART OF THE beauty of Wayne's performance here is the way, even when Chance is refusing help, he never undervalues others. When Chance's friend, the cattleman Wheeler (the inevitable Ward Bond), derides his deputies by asking, "A bum-legged old man and a drunk—that's all you've got?" Chance answers, "That's what I've got." It's the single best line reading of Wayne's career. There's a world of respect in the weight he puts on that one word, "what," an irreducible sense of people's worth as individuals. Bill Clinton might have been instinctively paraphrasing Wayne with the phrase he kept repeating during his 1992 campaign, "We don't have a person to waste."

By contrast, when Dude finds a fifty-dollar gold piece on one of Nathan Burdett's hired killers he says, "That's just about what Burdett would figure a man's life would be worth." Rio Bravo pits Chance's refusal to discount people against the cynical appraisal of the Nathan Burdetts of the world.

"When you've got some talent, your job is to use it," Hawks said. He was answering the people who'd criticized him for giving Ricky Nelson a song in the film. But he could have been articulating his own delight in the people he gathers in front of his camera, his respect for them as individuals. And that's the key to the profound inclusiveness of Rio Bravo. The characters who save Chance's life—not just a bum-legged old man and a drunk, but Nelson's teenage gunslinger, and Feathers, an independent woman who lives her life as she chooses, played by Angie Dickinson—are all discounted by a society that sees what they are without bothering to find out who they are.

And Hawks pushes that even further, undercutting Chance, the authority figure who is valued for what he is, by making him prone to harried misjudgments. That's most apparent in Wayne's scenes with Angie Dickinson, an extended comic duet in which she gets under his skin just by smiling sweetly in the manner of a woman more amused than impressed by his bluster. In one remarkable sequence a card game in which Feathers is winning turns out to be rigged, and Chance accuses her of being the cheat. He's wrong. The only evidence he has to go on is a handbill sent out by a sheriff describing a woman who sounds like Feathers and the card sharp she travels with. It turns out that Feathers is the man's widow, and he became a cheat only after falling on hard times. She's on the up and up, but this handbill follows her from town to town, making trouble. When she asks Chance what she can do about that, he tells her to stop playing cards and to stop wearing feathers. "No," she says. "I'm not going to do that. Because that's what I'd do if I was the type of girl you think I am." And, true to his better nature, as well as to Hawks's faith in people to get past their shortsightedness, Chance is chastened.

Hawks would offer another celebration of the group three years later in his rambling African adventure Hatari! And in 1967 he'd rework the main elements of Rio Bravo into El Dorado, a raucous and grimly comic Western about the decrepitude of age. If the frequent sequences where the screen is bordered in black and James Caan reciting Poe's line "Down the valley of the shadow" weren't unsettling enough, there was Wayne, a few years after winning his initial battle against cancer, once more undercutting the image of the invincible hero by playing scenes in which he seizes up and becomes paralyzed—as if we were watching him suffer a stroke.

But it's Rio Bravo that remains Hawks's deepest expression of his delight in people, and his warmest, most casual vision of the ordinary and profound ways they lift each other up. Rio Bravo rejects the notion that there are people who can be thrown away. When the film critic Robin Wood was writing about the movie, he said, "If I were asked to choose a film that would justify the existence of Hollywood, I think it would be Rio Bravo." Let me offer my own overstatement: If I were asked to choose a film that would justify the idea of America, it would be Rio Bravo.

http://dissentmagazine.org/article/?article=996
Title: Re: Hm...
Post by: Goran Skrobonja on 10-05-2008, 20:21:57
Upravo častio sebe sa dva naslova iz sopstvene davne i neprežaljene mladosti: Crveno sunce (Bronson, Mifune, Delon, Ursula) i Mekkenino zlato (Pek, Robinson et al.); još da mi iz Nemačke stigne tamošnje DVD izdanje Plavog vojnika (navodno, jedina trenutno postojeća uncut verzija), te da za mesec-dva kad budem išao za Englesku pazarim komplet sa Djukovim Paramount filmovima (među kojima i El Dorado, Big Jake, Čovek koji je ubio Liberti Valansa) i ostaće mi samo da nabavim Vera Kruz i Leoneov Pazi, dinamit!

Ah, ta slatka ptica mladosti...
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Franz Xaver von Baader on 11-05-2008, 00:12:17
Quote from: "Alex"

Dobri horor filmovi da nastave da se množe dosadašnjim tempom za sto godina ne mogu po broju da dostignu četvrtinu dobrih vestern filmova.


okej je alex
ovakva formula je prilično točna

western je ozbiljniji žanr od horora (na filmu)

Quotemislim, ne vredi plakati nad prosutim mlijekom niti nad zastarelim žanrovima.
nisu svi univerzalni i vovjekivjekovni ko horor: neki tako kao western, dođu, prođu i odu u legendu.

sad, možemo da divanimo o tome ZAŠTO se westerni više ne prave i ne gledaju,ali imbecilno bi bilo kritikovati činjenicu da se, evidentno, NE prave i NE gledaju, i spočitavati da je to zato što publika ne zna šta valja.
mislim, ona to ne zna, inače ne bi bila publika, ali razlozi su mnogo dublji.

prvo, western uopće ne izumire (još se rade visokobudžetni westerni); manje je popularan u mas-prijemu publike nego 50-tih recimo ------------ s druge strane, horror nikada nije ni bio mas-popularan, već oduvijek: na margini

drugo (a više začudno), ne kužim ghoulovo spletkarenje i konstrukcije oko mas-popularnosti - kao "publika ne gleda masovno western, hehe, eto on je prešao u legendu itd"
po nekom sustavu vrijednosti, ghoul bi, kao elitist nietzscheanskog tipa, trebao prezirati mas-kulturu i konformizam (doduše, posljednjom rečenicom i jeste na tom tragu, ali otuda je još više začudno što se poziva na mas-popularnost)

iz toga onda slijedi treće, tj. okretanje vlastite oštrice: publika (a baš je krasno da se koristi ovakav nerazgovijetan pojam) ne gleda ni horore; zapravo, publika, na koju se u citiranom postu insinuira, ne gleda ništa osim TV-kvizova i blockbustera

stiče se dojam da ghoul živi u epohalnoj fantazmi, predmnijevajući da je svijet oko njega uistinu čuo da postoji tako nešto kao horor i da postoje ljudi koji istog shvaćaju ozbiljno; možda da ode u bilo koje naseljeno mjesto i pita bilo kojeg proizvoljnog prolaznika o najvećima ikonama horor-filma: ne vjerujem da je 1 od tisuću ikad čuo za nekoga od pitanih, a 1 od 10000 možda i pogledao koji uradak; western bi već prošao nešto bolje
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Alex on 11-05-2008, 01:31:04
PingvinPatuljak
da li se neko drugi logovao pod tvojim nadimkom?

Počeo si da govoriš tačno, realno i nedvojbeno jasno!
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Franz Xaver von Baader on 11-05-2008, 11:40:17
eh alex,
jasnoća i ingenioznost moga izričija nisu nikada ni dolazili u pitanje... barem ne posljednjih godina
odavno sam prešao onu točku (rub Logosa), nakon koje, što god da izreknem, biva biserjem, suhim zlatom, dijamantom
već sam na takvoj razini, da razmišljam o prestanku korištenja standardnog jezika - nema potrebe, sve i da počnem graktati, opet bi me se razumjelo: jasnost mojih misli, sada se podrazumijeva
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Ghoul on 11-05-2008, 11:47:35
pingvine: ne klepeći nanulama!  :twisted:
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: PTY on 11-05-2008, 11:50:44
Eto, ne znam da li se već negde pominjalo, ali... pogledala sam juče 3:10 to Yuma i...

Pa mislim! Nemam reči koliko je to moćan film. Ajde što ima moje fejvorite – Rasela i Bejla i Fondu, ajde što ima fotografiju da ti pamet stane, ajde što ima badžet da sve to lepo istera do najmanje sitnice – ali brate!
Ima priču!
Ima dobru vestern priču!!
Ima pravu& genijalnu vestern priču za koju sam mislila da današnji šalabajzeri ne mogu ni da smisle a kamoli da skockaju!

Neću da sad backam spojlere a i neću da uzmem priliku Pingvinu (ili kogod već bude voljan da kaže par pametnih reči o ovom genijalnom vestern filmu) da se razmaše, pa ću samo kratko – obavezno overite, asap.   :!:
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Franz Xaver von Baader on 11-05-2008, 12:10:03
Quote from: "Đehouva"Ima pravu& genijalnu vestern priču za koju sam mislila da današnji šalabajzeri ne mogu ni da smisle a kamoli da skockaju!

to je rimejk istoimenog filma iz pedesetsedme
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Franz Xaver von Baader on 11-05-2008, 12:11:14
Quote from: "Ghoul"pingvine: ne klepeći nanulama!  :twisted:

hehe
pa moram, tu i tamo
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: PTY on 11-05-2008, 12:31:32
Quote from: "PingvinPatuljak"
Quote from: "Đehouva"Ima pravu& genijalnu vestern priču za koju sam mislila da današnji šalabajzeri ne mogu ni da smisle a kamoli da skockaju!

to je rimejk istoimenog filma iz pedesetsedme


Je, je... taman koliko je i The Manchurian Candidate 2004 rimejk originalnog manćurijana iz še'esetdruge...
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Franz Xaver von Baader on 11-05-2008, 13:13:11
tvrdiš da su to dvije različite western-priče?

pa sad, postoji mogućnost da si u pravu, no trenutno ti ne vjerujem skroz: koliko se sjećam tih filmova, priča je ista (dozvoljavam si zabludu)
Title: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: PTY on 11-05-2008, 19:57:08
Pa zapravo... i nisam baš. Mislim, priča je ostala ista, u globalu ali... dosta toga je dodano pa je priča zato puno čvršća i logičnija, tako da...
Title: Re: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Ghoul on 15-02-2010, 01:35:14
repriziro sam SEARCHERS kako bih proverio svoju davnašnju slutnju/memoriju/impresiju sa prethodnog gledanja, od pre 20ak godina.

zaista, izvanredan film.

****(*)
Title: Re: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Tex Murphy on 15-02-2010, 03:01:26
Marlon Brando je filmove sa Džonom Vejnom nazvao veoma štetnim.
Title: Re: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Ghoul on 15-02-2010, 03:45:27
po koga?
zašto?
kako?
Title: Re: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: EKSTREMISTA on 15-02-2010, 03:50:34
Po Indijance. :(
Title: Re: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Mark on 15-02-2010, 04:10:57
Bese nedavno OK horor-western BURROWERS...
Title: Re: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Tex Murphy on 15-02-2010, 04:41:47
Iz intervjua Plejboju: "Uvek sam voleo da gledam Džona Vejna i nije mi palo na pamet, dok nisam pričao s Indijancima, koliko su štetni i destruktivni njegovi filmovi bili - i većina holivudskih filmova."
I još: "Mislim da je on bio neverovatno uticajan u održavanju slike Indijanaca kao divlje, okrutne, destruktivne sile. Naterao nas je da poverujemo u stvari o Indijancima koje nikada nisu bile istinite i održavao je mit o tome kako su divni bili američki vojnici i kako su bili pristojni i časni."

Title: Re: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Ghoul on 15-02-2010, 04:44:10
Quote from: Mark on 15-02-2010, 04:10:57
Bese nedavno OK horor-western BURROWERS...

zašto je nekim ljudima, ako su to ljudi, toliko teško da se drže teme topika?
npr. na temi na kojoj alex na smešne i bezvezne načine pokušava da dokaže da sam ja najveća filmska prevara (or some such) - razglaba se o filmovima martina skorsezea, iako imamo aktivan topik o tome!

a sad, na temi o VESTERNU, potežu se neki HOROR VESTERNI, iako o tome imamo poseban topik - ovde: http://www.znaksagite.com/diskusije/index.php?topic=6400.0 (http://www.znaksagite.com/diskusije/index.php?topic=6400.0)!

jeeeee...
Title: Re: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Alex on 15-02-2010, 05:00:33
Zar nije Burrowers dečiji film o nekim malim ljudima i prva recenzija Dimitrija Vojnova?
Title: Re: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Franz Xaver von Baader on 15-02-2010, 15:01:10
Quote from: Ghoul on 15-02-2010, 01:35:14
repriziro sam SEARCHERS kako bih proverio svoju davnašnju slutnju/memoriju/impresiju sa prethodnog gledanja, od pre 20ak godina.

zaista, izvanredan film.

****(*)

ja mislim, zapravo ne, ja znam da te na taj čin ponukalo mišljenje koje se počelo primati po sagiti: da si slab poznavatelj.
pod tim teretom preocjenio si Tragače, koji jesu izvanredan film (radi se o Fordu naime) no to je sasvim normalno u MORU westerna.
western je naj-žanr (čemu se polako priklanjaš)
Title: Re: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Ghoul on 15-02-2010, 15:19:47
fućka se meni za 'mišljenje' kojekakvih nickova i cyber-identiteta.

njihovi anonimni 'autoriteti' nisu me naveli na idolatriju mediokritetske gangster-sage kakva je gudfelaz, npr.
a i srčrs ima zanimljive probleme kojima ću se uskoro posvetiti detaljnije - na blogu.
Title: Re: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Franz Xaver von Baader on 15-02-2010, 15:34:31
što se tiče Momaka, ali i Kumova, Nedodirljivih i sve u tom stilu, meni je to sranje. ne zato jer bi to bili loši filmovi, nego mene to uopće (a kad kažem uopće mislim NI NAJMANJE) ne zanima. mafijaške obitelji i njihovi odnosi su mi toliko daleko da se ne vidi ni izmaglica.

kako god, ti znaš da ja znam da ti je stalo do mog viđenja (a kad kažem mog podrazumijevam KONAČNOG; viđenja od kojeg nema dalje ni više, ljudski duh se tu vinuo do najviših visina)
Title: Re: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Ghoul on 15-02-2010, 15:58:34
ali ti znaš da ja znam da ti znaš da ja znam da si ti jedan ZZ-TOP, odnosno entitet koji je ubeđen da je dostigao VRH zato što mu je glave došlo previše čitanja Zaratustre i Zagora!
Title: Re: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Franz Xaver von Baader on 15-02-2010, 16:02:29
ma možda je baš tako...
Title: Re: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Ghoul on 16-02-2010, 07:18:11
na imdbu za film SEARCHERS stoji trivia:

The medal Ethan gives to young Debbie at the beginning of the film is, in fact, the Serbian Order of St. Sava, established in 1883.

mora da je taj 'fakt' stavio dimitrije iz vremena kada se zvao 'ethan'.

ili je OVO zaista TO???


(https://www.znaksagite.com/diskusije/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg11.imageshack.us%2Fimg11%2F6504%2Fsvsava.jpg&hash=2d2cfaad3bfa4fffeb138b71145b3a990af6600d)
Title: Re: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Alex on 16-02-2010, 16:53:00
 :x :x :x To je opšte poznato - decenijama, u našoj javnosti. :x :x :x
Title: Re: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Usul on 16-02-2010, 20:29:31
U stvari pominju se tri ordena:

1. meksički sv. Gvadalupe - po slici se vidi da nije taj

(https://www.znaksagite.com/diskusije/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2F5%2F5a%2FOrderofourLadyofGuadelupe.jpg&hash=ebf91b3e3a0136dba05c2e2cbb8b3454bd381774)

2. Francuski neimenovan orden koji se navodno dodeljivao učesnicima rata u Meksiku na strani cara Maksimilijana

3. Orden sv. Save (iz Kraljevine Srbije) - i opet po slici se vidi da je to to

(https://www.znaksagite.com/diskusije/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.omsa.org%2Fphotopost%2Fdata%2F627%2FSerb23.jpg&hash=74ebcca9e33d332f9ec8ced4ddc58ce5dcfe8d4c)
Type 1, Knight's breast badge

(https://www.znaksagite.com/diskusije/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.omsa.org%2Fphotopost%2Fdata%2F627%2Fstsavaneck.jpg&hash=05768f59826b29e51f18d7e36c8cbf328ccec3fe)
Grand Officer neck badge 3rd type


Title: Re: Bio jednom... Vestern
Post by: Milosh on 27-12-2012, 22:53:23
http://www.outlawvern.com/2012/12/27/django-unchained/ (http://www.outlawvern.com/2012/12/27/django-unchained/)