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Vern vs. TRANSFORMERS - One shall stand and one shall fall...
Three words for you about TRANSFORMERS: Ho. Lee. Shit. Not as in "Holy shit, I was blown away, it was a blast as well as AWESOME!" but as in "Holy shit, society really is on the brink of collapse."

Usually if a movie is already playing in theaters I don't send my review here, I just use it at my geocities.com/outlawvern sight, but jesus, SOMEBODY had to say something. I can't believe how many positive reviews I have read of this. I think Harry's was the only negative I saw, but he was polite about it. I read Moriarty's review before the screening and I thought wow, what if I actually like this movie? Like me, Moriarty hates Michael Bay's movies from head to toe, style and content, and me and him agree on all kinds of stuff. I don't remember too many cases where I thought he was being too easy on a movie, at least not a big one like this (only one that comes to mind is the much smaller DAREDEVIL). I never thought I would like this movie until I read his review. He had me about 80% convinced that it would surprise me and win me over, like LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD did. And I might have to seek counseling after enjoying those two movies in a row, but that's life.

I've mentioned a few times before that I have a buddy who loves Michael Bay. But before you rush to judgment, let me say that he's not some stereotype that just loves to see things explode and hear black guys joke about being "negroes" while a camera rotates around them. This is a smart guy with varied tastes. He gives me tips on older action movies I haven't seen, but his favorite movie so far this year is some documentary I never heard of. He watches more movies than I do, and is much more fickle than I am. I could not possibly list how many movies I thought were good, or at least okay, that he out and out despised. But still, somehow, he loves that fucking Michael Bay garbage, especially ARMAGEDDON and BAD BOYS 2. He describes BAD BOYS 2 as "the most hateful movie ever made" and always mentions how Bay's directing credit is over a shot of a burning cross. So his enjoyment seems like kind of a rebellious fuck you to the world, like a kid listening to punk rock or stabbing his grandparents in their sleep. He's been excited about this movie all year, and I've been shaking my head and grumbling about it. I definitely wanted to see it out of morbid curiosity, but felt it would be morally wrong to pay for it. I paid to see GHOST RIDER because I thought it would be funny, and I still feel guilty about it.

So when my buddy invited me to a free screening of TRANSFORMERS I couldn't resist. He said we had to have the area's biggest pro and anti Michael Bay forces together at the same screening. Sounds like a fitting sequel to my peace initiative from last summer where I watched BAD BOYS 2 and TRANSFORMERS THE MOVIE to set a positive example for the Israelis and Palestinians.

So it's fitting that the movie begins in "QATAR - THE MIDDLE EAST." (Need to establish location and tell the audience you think they're idiots at the same time? Try subtitles!) An American army base is attacked by a big robot. These guys are apparently trained in a similar manner to the soldiers from THE HILLS HAVE EYES REMAKE 2, because they all just run away and don't fight. When you see all the military hardware fetishistically on display it seems kind of weird, because the robot doesn't look like it has a chance. But then some tanks fly through the air and you find out later that all but the handful of main characters were killed and nobody knew it was a robot that did it.

At this point I was trying. I secured my brain safely in a locker at the Greyhound station like you're supposed to and I attempted to lower my standards. I am a guy who enjoys Brian Bosworth movies so why not enjoy this shit? Plus, if I'm gonna watch a Michael Bay movie again it might as well be one about robots. They won't joke as much as Martin Lawrence and they'll either look cool or funny. At least the effects are in good hands. And ever since I heard Michael Bay was hired for this job I thought it was tailor made for him. The dude is obsessed with sports cars and has never felt a human emotion, how could you do better than hiring him to make a huge expensive movie where the main characters are cars? It's like God made up The Transformers just to get some use out of Michael Bay.

But Michael Bay told God to fuck off, and he went and made a movie about people. After that opening attack you get literally an hour of kiddie movie horse shit about Shia LeBeouf being a nerd and trying to hit on the adult car mechanic Maxim cover girl with a troubled past from his high school. He buys an old yellow Camaro which turns out to actually be a robot from space in disguise. I don't know if I need to explain this to you guys, but Transformers are robots from space and you know those Cirque Du Soleil type weirdos in the car commercial who contort themselves into the shape of a car? It's like that, they crash land on earth and are worried people will make fun of them so they pretend to be cars and planes and shit to fit in. Anyway, for the first hour of this movie his car is alive but mostly is not a robot, he just causes a ruckus by driving around doing donuts and playing funny songs on his radio.

I have learned while this movie was being made that many grown adults grew up on this toy cartoon and hold its characters and concepts deep in their hearts, and were concerned about their portrayal in the movie. And I myself revere the filmatic language, and was worried that I would get dizzy and confused by Michael Bay's double-flip-off approach to editing and camera movement. Well let me tell you, he probaly blows it on both counts, but both are entirely irrelevant. By the time the movie gets to a second robot or action scene it's already way too late to turn things around. This painful first hour shows that the movie's main problem is the same one as BAD BOYS 2: constant, embarrassingly unfunny jokes. Is it too difficult to take anything seriously anymore? Everything's gotta be wacky: Shia has a little dog with a cast and he feeds it painkillers. He rides a pink girls' bike and crashes in front of the girl he likes. A robot pulls his pants down so he's in his boxers. Anthony Anderson eats a bunch of donuts. Bernie Mac's mom flips him the bird. A fat guy dances. When robots attack later, there are lots of half-assed "jokes" about little kids saying "cool!" or comparing it to ARMAGEDDON or thinking a robot is the tooth fairy. The "jokes" are more rapid-fire than a DTV Leslie Nielsen movie, and with an equal or lesser success rate. Even in that opening robot attack they don't have the discipline to take it seriously for 60 fuckin seconds, they have to have the guy from TURISTAS who looks like Johnny Knoxville on the phone arguing with a cartoonish Indian operator (ooh, topical) while Tyrese keeps yelling something about his left ass cheek. The music sounds like John Carpenter or TERMINATOR but the composer seems to be the only one making any effort to create drama. Everybody else is assuming the effects people will put that in later.

For a movie produced by Spielberg it's surprisingly low on awe. People are supposed to be surprised to see robots, but they always turn it into jokes. There's not one second in the movie where you believe people are really reacting to seeing robots. In JURASSIC PARK or in WAR OF THE WORLDS or many other Spielberg movies, you believed these people really were having their minds blown by what was standing right in front of them. In TRANSFORMERS they say things like "It's a robot. You know, like a super advanced robot. It's probably Japanese," and you're supposed to laugh.

And half the time nobody even notices the robots. I should mention there is one other robot in this part of the movie, a little bad guy robot who makes wacky troll noises while hacking into the Pentagon computer. I think he's supposed to be the cute comic relief character, a bad idea since there is no drama or tension to relieve. He crawls around, over and through hundreds of humans waving his many limbs all over and making loud grunts and power tool noises without ever once being detected. Either these robots are invisible or the people in charge of our national security are even more incompetent than anyone ever imagined.

So you got this hour of waiting for it to get to the god damn robots, and then when it happens you realize you don't like them that much more than the people. Admittedly, they are the one thing that makes this more watchable than the other Michael Bay movies. From the ones I've seen I think this is his worst movie, but it's bad in a more fascinating way, like a $200 million version of that tv show "Power Rangers." After a good hour fifteen of failed jokes, the probably-meant-to-be-serious introduction of the good guy Transformers is finally laugh out loud hilarious. They just look so fucking silly posing and saying their names and they talk in voices just like the old cartoons, so it almost seems like one of those meta-ironical type movies like FAT ALBERT or THE BRADY BUNCH where TV characters come to life in the "real" world to show how goofy they are. And this is one of the great "did I really just see that?" moments when one of the robots says something along the lines of "Yo yo yo wussssUUUUUUPPPP Autobots REPRESENT!" and I don't think he was eating robotic chicken or watermelon but I swear to you on my mother's grave that he started breakdancing. And I'm sure black stereotype robot was in other parts of the movie but the next time I was sure it was the same character was at the end when Optimus Prime was casually holding his broken-in-half corpse like it was the pieces of a plate he dropped.

But before it gets to the fighting, buckle up for a whole lot more "comedy." There's a section, probaly originally planned as a sitcom pilot but then used as part of the movie, where the robots hide in Shia's backyard. They break things and say "funny" lines and try not to be spotted when Shia's parents look out the window. This seems to support the "Transformers are invisible" theory because they're fucking 50 feet tall and shaking the earth with every step but nobody sees them. In fact, they might be like the Velveteen Rabbit or whatever the children's story is where only a kid can see them and adults can't because they don't have the magic of childlike innocence in their hearts or whatever. Anyway, Shia is able to get into his bedroom and his parents accuse him of jerkin off, and you can imagine all the "comedy" "gold" they are able to squeeze out by riffing on that one. I think it's supposed to be funny to see the serious Transformers characters involved in this sort of wackiness, but since they have not yet portrayed in a serious light there is nothing to contrast it with.

At this point the movie is beyond feature length and then they introduce a new villain, John Turturro as a Men In Black type agent under the mistaken impression that he's being funny. His performance is over-the-top enough to fit in in a movie like SPACE JAM or ROCKY AND BULLWINKLE, that is what they would like to do with his talents. And it keeps cutting away to a parallel storyline about a team of NSA analysts (all shaggy-haired twentysomething hipsters) and secretary of defense John Voight and Anthony Anderson playing Kevin Smith's character from LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD and a giant alien cube discovered in ice by Shia's great great grandfather. And all the robots are here on earth to find a pair of glasses, which are in Shia's bedroom in a backpack, so it should probaly have taken 30 seconds of screen time to get to them instead of 90 minutes. There is a part that I almost think I might've dreamed but I remember it so vividly, where there is a cartoon BOING! sound and then there's a long shot of one of the robots proudly pissing all over John Turturro. This guy has toiled away in independent film for decades, done so much great work and in order to get a pay check he has to get R. Kellyed by a fucking cartoon robot. I'm not sure if it's supposed to be funny or if it's supposed to be sexy but it failed on both counts. And then all the sudden Shia's car/robot/pet gets shocked and dragged away on cables and the score turns into violins like it's SCHINDLER'S LIST. It is an understatement to say that this heartwrenching music is not earned. It's like if Jennifer Love Hewitt's character in GARFIELD found out she had cancer and we were expected to get choked up.

Towards the end the movie starts to be more about Transformers. But if any of the filmatists were interested in turning them into actual characters they must've been too busy running errands or something to add that into the movie. Optimus Prime is pretty funny because he speaks almost entirely in platitudes. My guess is they didn't have time to write or record dialogue for him so they just used a key chain where you push buttons and different Transformers soundbites come out. His voice is awesome, the only thing resembling gravitas in the movie. He is shamelessly corny and old fashioned, while every other element of the movie is trying to be irreverent and self aware. So it's so out of place you gotta laugh any time he speaks.

I guess this is the part that people wanted, the BIG ACTION SEQUENCE where robots chase a boy carrying a cube over buildings. Some robots do flips and fight each other. The effects are obviously very expensive and somebody worked a long time on making them, so way to go, E for Effort. But I think the Lord would agree with me when I say Jesus Christ, if this is what you guys consider exciting action sequences I don't even know how to relate to you anymore.

Imagine you took apart a whole bunch of cars, mixed the parts up and welded them all together into a giant ball maybe 15 or 20 feet in diameter, then rolled it down a hill. Shoot that in closeup and you got every fight scene in this movie. I'm sure the Michael Bay style is a huge contributing factor, but I'm pretty sure you could've shot these fights with a stationary camera like a boxing match and I still would have no clue what the fuck was going on. I am no expert on robotics but to my untrained eye, these robots look like shit. Their designs are so overly complicated you can't tell which part is which. One robot (I think a bad guy robot, but not sure) goes flipping through the air in slow motion and while staring at it I was not entirely sure which end was up. There are scenes that are close on Optimus's face while he's talking where I could not even make out a face. I never knew which robot was which or who was a good guy or bad guy or what vehicle was what robot. Luckily Optimus has a shiny blue part on him, occasionally I would see shiny blue and know that hey, that's Optimus! I spotted one!

What Michael Bay has already done to action editing and staging he has now done to character design. If Walt Disney really was a frozen head he would probaly be driven out of hiding to bite Michael Bay's nose off for what he has done here. I don't think the animation is very good either, they all move too fast and seem kind of weightless and don't know how to stand still, but it's kind of pointless to even get into that when they just look so god damn ugly and confusing that even in slow motion they disgrace the many talented artists who were roped into working on this shit. If you're gonna make us wait two hours for a big dumb robot fight at least make robots that we can tell apart or can distinguish what they are doing or which part of their body is the head. In a Godzilla movie I can tell which one is Godzilla and which one is Mothra without studying it frame by frame and comparing it to charts and diagrams.

In the interest of balance, I will say some nice things about the movie. There's a part where the Transformers are in car form and they are driving around, they are all brand new and shiny stupid looking vehicles and it's shot like a car commercial. That was pretty funny. Also, it was nice that the horrible rock music only came on about four or five times, not constantly like in the cartoon version. The military stuff, sometimes that reminded me of the old '80s action movies, all this military hardware they were showing. The constant ludicrousness of every single aspect of the movie makes it less boring than many bad movies, like a GHOST RIDER or a NATIONAL TREASURE. And, the, uh-- I guess I haven't seen a side wheely in a movie in a while. I don't know. I'm sure there are other positive aspects.

I can't remember the last time I saw a movie that left me this befuddled that it actually existed. Now I know how your parents felt when they took you to see TRANSFORMERS THE MOVIE. "Well, I guess this is what kids like now. Huh." I mean look, Moriarty's main argument was that the movie "delivers" and you can't argue with a movie "delivering." But fuck man, I guess I don't know what "delivery" is then. To me, this was an awe-inspiringly awful mess from start to finish, with no good characters, no sense of tension or drama, an asinine plot, badly told, full of constant, annoying attempts at humor, muddled action sequences and effects that hurt your brain trying to look at them. If you people are complaining about something like SPIDER-MAN 3 being too silly and then giving this one a pass, I don't know what the fuck is going on. The best "characters" in the movie are the robots during the 5 or 10 minutes when they're trying to be serious, and those scenes come off campier than SHOWGIRLS. I haven't seen FANTASTIC FOUR 2 but I can't imagine it could be THAT much more moronic, poorly executed and groan-inducing than this one. I mean this one really is off the charts, it's a record breaker. It probaly required alien technology to make it like this.

I know it's not fair to drop the B&R bomb, it's like comparing people to Hitler in political discussion. But TRANSFORMERS is honestly approaching BATMAN AND ROBIN proportions of horribleness. You can't say it's as bad, because the lighting is nice and nobody's wearing rubber fetish costumes or pink gorilla suits, but it's a similar type of minding-numbing machine gun barrage of moronic, inept garbage. And it goes on for almost 2 1/2 hours, longer than some interrogations.

So in a way, that does explain to me why some people might enjoy this. Some people like to be whipped and peed on. And it's an instant camp classic. I know people who get a good laugh out of shitty movies like INDEPENDENCE DAY, and I will definitely demand that they see this shit on video, because it makes INDEPENDENCE DAY look like 2001. It's so full of quick cuts and preposterousness I'm sure I missed all kinds of things. They were already onto the next scene by the time my brain processed the fact that I had just seen a Mountain Dew machine transform into a bad guy robot. Hopefully he will be the main villain in the sequel. But he'll be defeated by a good guy Nike truck. I can't see enjoying this on anything other than an ironic or anthropological "human beings really made this!" type level. No matter how it plays this summer, this movie is so full of bad taste and "what the fuck?" moments that I do believe it will live on. Ten or fifteen years from now, when some theater in a college town plays it as a double feature with ROADHOUSE, it will absolutely kill.

Did the movie work on my crowd? I'm not sure. Some of the lame jokes got laughs. Some got none. There were parts obviously meant to be crowdpleasers where you would hear one person clap or laugh in the back somewhere. There was definitely alot of sarcastic wooing and clapping. But there was also some applause at the end, which I'm gonna assume was sincere. We have already seen enough reviews to know that some people can enjoy this. I talked to a guy who loved it, said it was the best movie he's seen this year, that it knew what it was and was supposed to be tongue-in-cheek and what do you expect, it's The Transformers, it's a summer blockbuster movie, it's awesome. I'm glad he enjoyed it, but none of those arguments hold water with me, and I can't help but be sad that this is what we are willing to accept as entertainment. BATMAN AND ROBIN knew what it was and was supposed to be tongue-in-cheek and what did we expect. And if just because it's Transformers it's allowed to be inept, moronic garbage, then why are we going to see a movie based on Transformers in the first place? I know DADDY DAY CAMP is gonna be awful but I don't expect these same people running out saying that was awesome because what do you expect, it's DADDY DAY CAMP.

And I know I made this point in talkbacks, and so have others, but it bears repeating. DIE HARD was a blockbuster/popcorn/summer/event movie. So was ALIENS. And TERMINATOR 2. RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK. STAR WARS. JAWS. ROAD WARRIOR. PREDATOR. ROBOCOP. TOTAL RECALL. THE MATRIX. LORD OF THE RINGS. You people who like your BATMAN and SPIDER-MAN and X-MEN and SUPERMAN and James Bond and LETHAL WEAPON... these are all big event movies, many of them timeless, many of them clever, well-crafted, some of them masterpieces. I am not being pretentious, I am not expecting too much, these are mainstream, crowd pleasing movies and they are what you used to hope for when you went to a summer movie. You can't realistically expect a movie as good as ALIENS every time, but that's better than resigning to the idea that "summer movie" equals "horribly made infantile disposable pap" and being excited about it anyway. If a summer movie is meant to be like TRANSFORMERS, then why the fuck aren't you people embarrassed to be going to see summer movies? At least have the decency to admit that it's a strange, possibly deviant hobby.

Everyone expects this movie to be a huge runaway hit, a moneymaking juggernaut. It happened with ARMAGEDDON and INDEPENDENCE DAY and I lived through election 2004, so certainly I can see that happening. But man oh man do I not get it. Women, especially, I have respect for, and I cannot understand them getting any sort of enjoyment out of these goofy cartoon junkpiles wrestling each other and saying things like "One shall stand and one shall fall!" If this is accepted as good entertainment then we're another step closer to the world of IDIOCRACY and the hit movie ASS.

If America loves this movie, I want a fuckin recount.

But what about my Michael Bay loving buddy? Did he like it? I wasn't sitting near him at the screening and as the movie went on I started to get concerned about what I was gonna say to him afterwards. I hoped he was having a good time, and I mean, I cannot comprehend his love for the other Bay movies. So I couldn't predict what he would think. But at the same time I could not actually picture him walking up to me with a straight face and saying "That was awesome!" And I couldn't guarantee that if that happened I wouldn't shake my head sadly, turn and walk away, our friendship forever weakened by a feeling that we just weren't from the same planet.

The credits roll. I find Mr. Armageddon. He smiles and says, "That was a piece of shit! That was fucking garbage! Terrible!"

So thank you Michael Bay for bringing the world closer together. We can have peace some day. We just can't have good robot movies.

--Vern

Odličan rivju!  :!:

Jeste dobar rivju. Za razliku od Verna meni se svideo Bad Boys 2, ali plašim se da je on ovog puta u pravu tj. da je Bad Boys 2 vrhunac Bejovih mogućnosti (što je u neku ruku potvrđeno i sa The Island) i da će Transformersi u najboljem slučaju biti film koji će biti (na mahove) zabavno pogledati jednom, a onda zaboraviti da postoji. Voleo bih da grešim, ali činjenica je da u diskusiji iza te kritike na AICNu jedini koji zvuče iole razumno i logično su Vern i nekolicina koji se slažu s njim, dok komentari onih kojima se film svideo zvuče gotovo retardirano, a i ostale kritike koje su 'pozitivne' ne kažu šta je to dobro u vezi filma, već naprotiv često se slažu da je u pitanju glupost, koja je eto zabavna, što bi značilo da film prolazi kao nekakav guilty pleasure. Ne znam, možda je Vern stvarno preterao, ali ja imam loš osećaj. Ako je za utehu bar ne može da bude gore od Ghost Ridera (nedavno sam ga konačno pogledao), pošto je nemoguće da išta bude gore od Ghost Ridera koji je potpuni vakuum od filma.

Kad je kod nas premijera Transformersa?

Quote from: "Milosh"
Kad je kod nas premijera Transformersa?

Za razliku od ostatka planete, kod nas premijera jos nije utanachena. Na sajtu Taramounta, koji je distributer, postoje dva razlicita datuma - 9 avgust i 22 avgust - a ni oni verovatno nemaju pojma kada ce da krene.

Evo za nostalgične:

http://www.cracked.com/index.php?name=News&sid=2175

:lol:

još malo Verna:

"Okay, alot of people took the mention of IDIOCRACY as a way of saying "you are an idiot," which is not what I meant, but I can see where you're coming from. I apologize to anyone who took it that way, but I think if you read the review or even read the beginning and the end of the review you would know that you're not being fair. I began and ended the review talking about my friendship with a guy who LOVES Michael Bay. He didn't like this one, but at the end when I thought he might like it I didn't say "if he liked it he's an idiot." I said that if he liked it I "couldn't guarantee" that "our friendship wouldn't be forever damaged by the feeling that we aren't from the same planet." Which is not nearly as harsh and is, itself, complete hyperbole. OF COURSE people who love/hate different movies can get along and that's the main theme of the review. So cut me some slack, people.

That said, the next person who pulls out that "you expected Shakespeare" or "you expected War and Peace" shit IS an idiot. Not only did I address that in the review, I included a long list of some of the specific movies that I *did* want it to live up to. That one has come up many times here, I give all of you an idiot freebie, you are not idiots. But from here on out - idiot.

Now, my question is, where do we draw the line though between this and ASS: THE MOVIE? If I didn't like ASS either would that mean I'm an elitist? Am I allowed to say people are idiots for watching a movie about a farting ass, or does that make me a snob? Would you say "What did you expect Vern, it's a movie about Ass! It's not supposed to be THE APU TRILOGY, it's supposed to be ASS! It was a blast and the whole crowd clapped the farts were AEWSOME you were PWNED HATERZZZZZ 4 ever fuck you vern" etc.

Or even where do you draw the line between this and BATMAN AND ROBIN? Am I a snob for thinking BATMAN AND ROBIN is one of the worst movies ever made? Shouldn't I just relax and have a fun time because it's a popcorn movie? Were you guys able to pull it off with that one? It's not supposed to be The Bible, after all, it's supposed to be a movie about a guy with rubber nipples who fights crime with ice skates and credit cards."

Heh, moram da priznam da nisam čuo za tog Verna prije ovog topika, ali već mi se sviđa  :!:

Osim naravno ako nije u pitanju Vern Tesio.

Amerika je 4. jul, Dan nezavisnosti slavila uz "Transformerse"! Ovaj hit film je za prvih šest dana prikazivanja, u Americi zaradio 152,5 miliona dolara; na 10 tržišta van Amerike- 93,6 miliona dolara, što je ukupna zarada od neverovatnih 246,1 miliona dolara.

S obzirom da je budžet filma bio 150 miliona dolara, prosta računica nam pokazuje da su za nepunih nedelju dana prikazivanja "Transformersi" skoro udvostručili uloženu sumu.

Najnoviji film Majkla Beja je priča o večnoj borbi Autobota i Deseptikona na Zemlji. Glumci Šaja la Buf, Megan Foks i Džosh Djuhamel i producenti Stiven Spilberg i Lorenco di Bonaventura su jos jedan od dokaza da je u "Transformerse" mnogo uloženo. Ovaj dugoočekivani blokbaster, filmski kritičari su svrstali u žanr naučne fantastike sa dosta akcije, a publika kao film koji ostavlja bez daha.

Taramaunt film će distribuciju "Transformersa" u Srbiji započeti vikendom za fanove 11. i 12. avgusta u Takvudu. Od 16. avgusta se planiraju specijalne projekcije u najboljim bioskoopima, dok će od 23. avgusta, "Transformersi" zaživeti na redovnom bioskopskom repertoaru.

Treba napomenuti da su "Transformersi" osvojili simpatije gledalaca širom planete i pre nego sto su ih pogledali. Sezonu nagrada otvorili su još pre mesec dana kada su na dodelama "MTV filmskih nagrada" pobedili u kategoriji "najbolji još uvek neviđen letnji film".

Ovaj gore Vern bolje da napiše knjigu o filmu, jer u ovo "malo teksta" nije uspeo da kaže išta pametno.

Film je bezveze. Ima dobrih delova koji obecavaju, ali u sustini je nezanimljiv. Cak su i borbe prebudzene i dosadne.

"Thanks for the followup. That "society is on the brink of collapse" comment rubbed alot of people the wrong way. Yes, it was hyperbole, I'm glad you understood that since some people somehow didn't. But I'm not sure you're taking it how I meant it. Imagine if a shitty Pepsi commercial was released into theaters, and people not only paid money to see it but it became a huge smash hit, was praised through the roof and even critics said "it's not supposed to be THE GODFATHER, it's about Pepsi, so have fun! A refreshing beverage! I had a blast!"

To you that's not what TRANSFORMERS is, but to me that's sort of an exaggerated version of how I feel about it. I feel like virtually everyone agrees that the characters and story are terrible, that the only thing to offer is the effects and action, and that the standards had to be lowered in order for those to be considered good. On a technical level of course the effects look impressive but then they invented a new thing: designs that cancel out the effectiveness of the expensive special effects. I don't think I've ever seen that before, and that combines with my personal least favorite trend in modern cinema, the abandonment of visual storytelling in favor of the Michael Bay style. I have decided to name it IVS (indifference to visual storytelling or indecipherable visual storytelling - pass it around).

I increasingly feel like an old man who can't believe where things are going and I think this is clear in my review. I just feel like this is a new and more powerful strain of the ID4 virus. Every time there's a hit movie like this the technology is more advanced and everything else is even more devolved, and before it didn't seem possible to go even further away from humanity in a movie, but they always figure out a way. This doesn't mean I think everybody is an idiot, it means I am getting older and the world is changing. It makes me paranoid about the state of our culture, and that's all I mean by society being on the brink of collapse. Maybe I should've said the sky was falling."

Paul Verhoeven for TRANSFORMERS 2

by Vern

"Verhoeven is the only guy who could win me over without disappointing fans of the first movie. He could do it as a parody of the first one, attempting to push it so far past the line that people would feel punished at the end. Some ideas he could consider:

Rename all the characters to the models of vehicles they're advertising, and include their prices on the screen when they are introduced.

Hire one of the pimps from AMERICAN PIMP to do the voice of the new black robot, and let him improvise.

The bad guys team up with radical anti-globalism terrorists, and the good guys have to defend American corporations from their attacks.

The soldiers keep trying to recruit Shia and explain in detail the benefits offered and the url of where to go for more information.

It might be a step back after BLACK BOOK but then again it might be exciting new ground for him. He's never done a PG-13 movie before."

Као великом фану трансформерса ме нервира што овај филм за главне јунаке има људе и њихове безвезне животне приче. Очити пример када долази до финалне борбе Оптимуса и Мегатрона; док Оптимус изговара чувену реченицу - Један ће остати један ће пасти - ми на екрану гледамо једног лика како се пробија кроз неке канале и уопште не видимо у кадру два главна трансформерса како се спремају за коначни обрачун. А од тог обрачуна, који је иначе доста кратак и слаб, сам имао утисак да су приказали само инсерте.
Није толико лоше, али мислио сам да ћу видети трансформерсе у више од 40% филма.

Meni su Transformers bili zabavni. Točno, film ima problema, i to podosta. Oscilira između tinejdžerske komedije i onoga što se popularno naziva "Michael Bay-movie", dakle hrpe mehaničke (ovo shvatite kako hoćete) akcije/nasilja. Ima viška likova iako ih uspije iskoristiti ovako ili onako, skoro svi likovi su parodirani do krajnjih mogućih granica, prodaje patriotizam gdje stigne, ne znam što je mačka radila Bayu i Spielbergu da joj daju krupni plan svugdje gdje to logika priče dozvoljava (nije da se žalim, da se razumijemo  :) ), guraju sve u jedan film: i rat u Zaljevu i UFO-mitologiju, sve s MIBs i svemirskom tehnologijom, etc. etc. Ima i gluposti, npr. gdje naši junaci točno pripreme teren za završnu bitku tamo gdje će kolateralna šteta biti najveća moguća. Ima i tipičnih, što Spielbergovih, što Bayevih pekmezarija.

Međutim, ima i sitnih diverzija: zanimljivo, na primjer, kako svi Decepticoni nastaju iz američkog vojno-policijskog hardvera.

Ukratko, to je film za istjerati mozak na pašu, kupiti veeeliku porciju kokica i zavaliti se u sjedalo. Na tom planu mislim da radi. Ozbiljniji SF nije mogao ni da bude, već s obzirom na svoje porijeklo.

Sinoć sam bio na fanovskoj večeri u TUCK-u i na velikom platnu pogledao film među prvima u prestonici - i posle duže pauze sam konačno imao priliku da pogledam jedan film kako treba i dolikuje: u prepunoj i dobro rasploženoj bioskopskoj sali.

Što se filma tiče - nije loš. Bay zna da napravi akcioni spektakl, i ovde je to još jednom pokazao. Transformersi su dinamični, sve pršti od specijalnih efekata, a poslednjih pola sata - četrdeset minuta donose bučno, šareno i adrenalinom zadojeno finale.

Da se radilo domaćinski - radilo se. Puno  je truda (i novca) uloženo u efekte i to se vidi. Za divno čudo, scenaristi su isporučili prilično solidno izbrušen scenario - tako da sam se više puta - na svoje iznenađenje - slatko nasmejao. Film jeste hendikepiran infantilnom premisom i činjenicom da je PG13, ali je izuzetno pitak. Neopterećen predznanjem o originalnom serijalu, mogao sam da uživam u pokretnim slikama. Naravno, Bay nije ponudio ništa revolucionarno novo kada je zaplet u pitanju - servirana je stara priča o tinejdžeru koji spasava svet - ali je to urađeno sa dovoljno stila da se oproste servirani klišei.

Shia LaBeouf je odličan, jasno je da mu predstoji odlična karijera - mladić je za razliku od većine hollywoodskih zvezda prirodan i deluje pristupačno, kao momak iz komšiluka. Ostalo glumci su sasvim funkcionalni - Josh Duhamel je posebno dobar u ulozi koja po značaju tek nešto malo zaostaje za LaBeoufovom - podsetio me je na mladog Billa Paxtona - što je u mojoj knjizi samo veliki plus. John Torturo je napravio odličnu komičnu epizodu, njegovo pojavljivanje je znatno osvežilo film. Dve glavne cure (crnka Megan Fox i plavuša Rachael Taylor) su stilizovane tako da liče na 2 maloletne drolje, ali ova "slatkiši za oči" su neophodni za ovu vrstu filma - ipak, iznenadila me je hrabrost sa kojom su prikazane čari junakinja.

Pomenuti poslednji blok me je fizički i psihički iscrpeo do krajnjih granica. Da li zbog umora (film je počeo posle ponoći, a traje oko 140 minuta) ili nedostaka predznaja i koncentracije - nisam baš mogao najbolje u svim trenucima da pohvatam koji je robot koji, i ko tu kome šta radi. Kada se film konačno završio, osećao sam se kao da sam žrva nasilja.

idem veceras na ponocnu projekciju,joj nije valda da traje 140min..
sva sreca da sam spavao posle podne tako da sam spreman za veceras :!:

bilo je sasvim cool,zabavno gledati do kraja..ocekivao sam vishe ozbiljniji film sa robotima tako da u nekim momentima mi se pricinjava da se film pretvara u parodiju.. scena bitke u gradu sadrzi previshe kadrova koji se brzo smenjuju nije bas lako za pracenje,u pitanju su holivudski trikovi.,roboti deluju kao igracke,sve sareno fino je za decu :) na projekciji svi smo dobijali besplatne postere,klinci u bioskopu se gadjali posterima  :?

...odgledao sam TRANSFORMERS na sabat; počinje obećavajuće, kao mnogo-mnogo raskošnije budžetirana tinejdžerska komedija tipa LICENSE TO DRIVE sa fino tempiranim comic relief pasažima, Shia šarmira sve u 16, priča se glatko razgranava...ali onda sve ode u peršun kada Michael Bay odluči da nimalo ne zauzdava samog sebe, te bivamo izloženi iscrpljujućem duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugačkom akcionom segmentu, nerezonski zasićenom preterivanjima glede vizuelnih nadražaja, do te mere da je i neprijatno pratiti ovaj završni deo, krcat skupim, ali besmislenim CGI prizorima (nažalost, netretiranim uz ironijski odmak , kako je to bio slučaj u Bayovom remek-delu BAD BOYS II!), izvedenim uz poštovanje uštrojenih PG-13 ograničenja...na stranu to ko bi bio ciljna publika ovog dela (mada poseduje taj navijački kvalitet,predug je i preusložnjen za školsku čeljad), ovakvi TRANSFORERS ostaju još jedan odušak megalomaniji Baya i Spielberga, poglupi letnji hit i jako malo preko toga...nažalost!!!

Pogledao sam TRANSFORMERS Michael Baya.

Moram priznati da sam u filmu izuzetno uživao, iako sam prepoznao niz problema koji mu kvalitet čine diskutabilnim ali koji mu daju poseban identitet.

Naime, ubeđen sam da je priča mogla biti zategnutija, i da je film mogao biti koherentniji. Ja sam duboko uveren da je TRANSFORMERS, iako u suštini baziran na konceptu koji se čini težak za filmovanje, zapravo imao vrlo jasne potencijalne uzore u uspešnim filmovima. Naime, zar TRANSFORMERS nije radikalizovana varijanta TERMINATORa i ROBOCOPa u kome se ljudi suočavaju dobrim i zlim i prilično neuništivim shape-shifting robotima? Sa elementima PREDATORa i ALIENSa u tom smislu da se vlada bori sa nepoznatim neprijateljem koga jako teško može da savlada a plus je taj neprijatelj privlači i kao pot6encijalno oružje?

Ja bih lično na sve to dodao i jedan postmodeni element, preuzet iz savremenog stripa, a to je da bih konstruisao realistični univerzum u kome junaci znaju za crtanu seriju TRANSFORMERS i igračke, za koje se ispostavi da su mitologija koju su sami roboti plasirali na tržište kako bi pripremnili Zemljane za svoje prisustvo. Time bi se dodala još jedna filna linija paranoje, plus što bi izbegli sve scene u kojima se objašnjava zaplet pošto bi imai junake koji odmah imaju izgrađen odnos prema robotima.

No, that's just me.

U svakom slučaju, ova direkcija koju sam ja opisao, ima snažne korene u hororu, i svi filmovi koje sam naveo su na tankoj granici između akcije i horora, i sve su ih režirali reditelji koji imaju iskustva u hororu.

Ma koliko bi film bio tako bolji, teško da bi bio ovako rejtovan i što je najvažnije, verovatno bi bio preintenzivan za najmasovniju mainstream populaciju kojoj se Bay obraća.

I zato je Bay odlučio da se okrene jednoj drugoj tradiciji. Umesto da se okrene američkim klasicima, Bay se okreće Indiji i snima dvoipočasovni demolition derby koji u sebi objedinjuje akciju sa robotima, komični paranoidni triler, film o odrastanju i spektakl o spasavenju cele planete.

Kada sam izašao sa filma, moram priznati da su mi kroz glavu prolazile scene, i da nisam do kraja imao osećaj da sam sve gledao istog dana. Bay je pružio jednu vrstu totalnog overloada, kada sam pomislio da u filmu ima scena u školi, osetio sam kao da sam je gledao prekjuče a ne iste večeri, i sve vreme posle filma sam imao fleševe na film, što znači da TRANSFORMERSi jesu priličan overload, što akademski gledano nije dobro ali meni je izuzetno prijalo.

Vrlo slično indijskom filmu, dakle, Bay ne snima koherntan film sam za sebe već dva i po sata raznovrsne bioskopske zabave savršeno tempirane za snažan kolektivni ugođaj, koji je sinoć nažalost u Tuckwoodu uglagvnom izostao, pošto je sala bila praznjikava a sva pubhlika su bili zgrčeni nerdovi koji su očigledno bili u strahu šta je Bay uradio sa njihovim najdražim propertyjem.

U ta dva i po sata zabave,ima i stvari koje ne funkcionišu, naravno, ali njih zaista nije previše što se mene tiče. Ako bih nešto morao da izdvojim, to je svakako katarska epizoda i cela priča sa vojnicima koja mi je bila manje zanimljiv deo filma.

TRANSFORMERS je pre svega odlino realizovan. Bay nas vrlo hrabro ubacuje u sred mayhema. Ne mogu baš da kažem da mi je uvek bilo jasno gografski šta se zbiva, ali mi to nije smetalo pošto film prdstavlja jednu posebnu vrstu auralnog udara i silovanja publike u najboljoj tradiciji Dona Simpsona.

Bayov jasan aurtorski konceopt vidimo u džeziranoj završnici u kojoj on apsolutno odstupa od bilo kakvog mainsrema tajminga i pravi potpuno ludački akcioni klimaks sa produženim trajanjem, neverovatnim tempom i tu se vidi kako Bay odstupa od svih zakonitosti mainstrma i istražuje svoju ličnu fascinaciju spektaklom, i time film stičće prerogativ par exellence autorskog dela kao pšto je i BAD BOYS II.

Uz BAD BOYS II i ARMAGEDDON, TRANSFORMERS je najbolji Bayov film i odličan reprezent svega onoga po čemu se Bay izdvojio od hackera među koje ga često ubrajaju.

Inače, evo zapanjujućEG podatka,

TRANSFORMERS je koštao samo 150 miliona dolara što je za film ovakvog zahvata zaista mala suma, a naročio ako uzmemo u obzir da su efekti brojni i miljama ispred recimo SPIDER-MANa koji ima sličnu fakturu. Bay je u svojim intervjuima naročito insistirao na tome da je film snimljen jeftino.

Inače, Mitchell Amundsen koji je snimao ovo je odličan DP, radio je TRANSPORTER II i sad radi Bekmambetovu WANTED.

Quote from: "Vern"God made up The Transformers just to get some use out of Michael Bay.

But Michael Bay told God to fuck off, and he went and made a movie about people.

:lol:

Quote from: "Vern"I mean look, Moriarty's main argument was that the movie "delivers" and you can't argue with a movie "delivering." But fuck man, I guess I don't know what "delivery" is then.

Konacno neko da se drzne na jebeno "isporucivanje"! Inace, skroz se slazem sa Vernom.

http://www.iklipz.com/MovieDetail.aspx?MovieID=9d281a39-ea7a-49ac-82a1-01d432e0b009

Kažu da Bej neće režirati nastavak Transformersa što je (verovatno) dobra vest. Najveći problem ovog filma je režija (čak bi i Spilberg bio bolji izbor) pošto se Bej ovim filmom konačno demistifikovao kao najobičniji hack (dakle, mislim sve suprotno od onoga što je napisao avenger gore) koji kroz nekakvu tobož ezoteriju pokušava da progura kalambur loše režiranih i nadasve zamornih akcionih scena labavo povezanih u jedva suvislu celinu. Bad Boys 2 su Bejov maksimum, oduzmite mu taj kontekst pandurske buddy komedije, R rejting, vulgarni humor i izvesnu ironijsku distancu i dobija se jedva gledljiva glupost (mada ne i potpuno smeće: ima nekoliko dobrih scenarističkih momenata i efekti su impresivni, iako grozno režirani) što su Transformersi. Posle ovog filma mene naprosto više ne zanima šta će naredno da radi Majkl Bej osim ako to nisu Bad Boys 3, a čak i tom slučaju sam skeptičan. 2-

R.I.P. Michael Bay

Iako ovde čak i oni koji nisu ljubitelji opusa M. Beja smatraju da je Bad Boys 2 vredan film, a neki ga smatraju remek delom, osećam potrebu da kažem da je za mene to jedan od onih filmova koji nude nešto zabave tokom gledanja, ali se po završetku zaboravljaju istog časa i ja ga se više i ne sećam, sem opšteg utiska preterane i konfuzne akcije i sumnjive duhovitosti. Možda to ima veze sa tim što sam ga gledao na VHS-u, gde film nije bio prebačen u širokom platnu već samo parče iz sredine, ali ne verujem da je to presudno.

Kad sam gledao Bad Boys, koji je dobar film, pomislio sam da će od reditelja biti nešto. Po meni najbolji njegov film je bio sledeći THE ROCK - skoro odličan, koliko zbog Beja toliko zbog Konerija u formi (a Kejdž posta akciona zvezda ni kriv ni dužan). Mada sam i onda tvrdio da po kvalitetu akcije (a Bej je reditelj akcionih filmova) nije dorastao Kameronu, Mek Tirnanu, pa ni Harlinu.

Armagedon je nastavio uspeh ROCKa u svakom smislu i uz pomenuti je najbolji Bejov film.

Prvo saplitanje Bejovo je bio Perl Harbur, pokušaj kopiranja Titanika ali kičastije, sapunastije i "preteranije" tj dosta lošije.

BB2 mi je ništa posebno, kao što rekoh, a Island je dobar film koji je možda mogao biti i znatno bolji SF film da ga nije radio Majkl Bej ili da producenti nisu odlučili da treba da bude Bej-ovski.

Last night at dinner I was having dinner with three blu-ray owners, they were pissed about no Transformers Blu-ray and I drank the kool aid hook line and sinker. So at 1:30 in the morning I posted - nothing good ever comes out of early am posts mind you - I over reacted. I heard where Paramount is coming from and the future of HD and players that will be close to the $200 mark which is the magic number. I like what I heard. As a director, I'm all about people seeing films in the best quality possible, and I saw and heard firsthand people upset about a corporate decision. So today I saw 300 on HD, it rocks! So I think I might be back on to do Transformers 2!

Michael Bay

tja...

Stvar u vezi blu ray/ hd-dvd rata sad stoji ovako:

Paramount Pictures and DreamWorks Animation announced today that they will exclusively support the HD-DVD format on a worldwide basis, GamesIndustry.biz reports.

The first title to be released exclusively on HD-DVD will be Blades of Glory, followed by Transformers and Shrek the Third.

"We decided to release 'Shrek the Third' and other DreamWorks Animation titles exclusively on HD-DVD because we believe it is the best format to bring high quality home entertainment to a key segment of our audience - families," said CEO Jeffrey Katzenberg.

"I believe HD-DVD is not only the affordable high quality choice for consumers, but also the smart choice for Paramount," said CEO and chairman Brad Grey.

Paramount Pictures had previously released a number of its titles on Blu-Ray. To date, DreamWorks Animation has not released any of its movies on either the Blu-Ray or HD-DVD format, although some DreamWorks films have been released on Blu-Ray.

The announcement does not include any films directed by Stephen Spielberg, as his films are not exclusive to either format.

Odavde: http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=81742

QuoteThe first title to be released exclusively on HD-DVD will be Blades of Glory, followed by Transformers and Shrek the Third.

blades of glory?????  :?
e svašta  :roll:

Ma to je samo jer je vremenski tako ispalo.

Mene je film smorio. Dugo nisam sedeo u bioskopu i svako malo gledao u sat da vidim koliko još ima... plus sam usred filma izgubio dve čitave scene... i ne sećam ih se uopšte.
Jedino što u filmu valja je LeBeouf, muzika i pomalo akcija. Sve ostalo... wtf?
I kakav je to film koji ima jedva dve i po poštene ribe?

Sinoc sam sa sinom odgledao film u Takvudu.

Da ne pricam koliko se njemu dopalo, i koliko je uzivao - ima osam i po godina, ali ono sto je mene zabrinulo i sto se pomalo stidim da priznam jeste da je meni ovaj film bio FENOMENALAN!!!

Dakle, nisam nikakav ljubitelj Majkl Beja, trudio sam se iz petnih zila da zavolim bar The Rock, ali mi ni to nikada nije uspelo, a njegove ostale filmove stvarno ne volim. I ovde mislim da je Bej svojim overdizajniranjem svakog kadra preterao u kolicini informacija koje ljudski mozak moze da primi u jednoj sekundi filma, posebno u poslednjoj akcionoj sekvenci, ali mi je ovo prvi njegov film da su forma i sadrzaj nekako bliske pa mi to nije smetalo.

Ono sto me je posebno odusevilo je Shaja LBuf, koji je tip mladog glumca koji nisam video jos od osamdesetih, i nadam se da ce postati velika zvezda (sto verovatno vec jeste - a bice sigurno posle sledeceg Indiane Jones-a). Njegov kasting pravi odlicnu protivtezu velikim robotima, vozilima, masinama i svim ostalim tehnoloskim napravama o kojima je film, u stvari. Megan Foks je odlicna glumica za jednu bivsu misicu, a posle njenog intervjua u novom Maximu, glumica kojoj cu se uvek radovati...

I jos nesto - efekti su, sto smo svi ocekivali, potpuno spektakularni. Proslog vikenda, Nenad Mitrovic, jedan od animatora u nasem studiju, imao je prekookeanski Q&A sa nekoliko animatora koji su radili na ovom filmu. Svi do jednog su jako zadovoljni kako je sve to ispalo na kraju, ali takodje, svi do jednog izjavljuju da je to bio najtezi posao u njihovoj karijeri, i da ce se svim snagama truditi da izbegnu rad na nastavku...

Naravuchenije> gledati TRANSFORMERS-e u decjem drushtvu.

Milane, ja te potpuno razumem a nisam dete i nisam gledao film sa detetom...

Quote from: "crippled_avenger"nisam dete

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ja nisam kompetentan da o filmu govorim sa neke strucnije strane... ali meni je, za razliku, film ocekivano holivudsko sranje za mase, sa predivnim i neverovatnim efektima, i sjajnom produkcijom. sto ne znaci da mi nije bilo lepo odgledati ga. ali film kao film, sucks.

Milane ne razumem te...  :lol:

Film je odlična akciona bajka za decu i odrasle. Svako kome se svideo bilo koji crtani serijal sa džinovskim robotima bi trebao pozitivno da reaguje i na ovaj film. Nije mi sasvim jasno šta se tačno zamera filmu.

Ja glupost i "humor" gde mu nije mesto. I to da je dosadan. U životu mi se nije desilo da sedim u bioskopu i da usred filma pitam "ej, kako su ovi vojnici dospeli tu??" i onda mi objasne i ja nemam pojma da sam video te scene...  :lol:

Pa dobro, znači nisi pazio, ali ti ljudi oko tebe su pazili, pa su i znali kako je ko gde dospeo. Nisi se primio na film, okej, nije kraj sveta. Ali ne znači da je film loš u opštem smislu.

Edit: ne možeš da imaš ozbiljan film za decu sa džinovskim robotima. Mora da ima zabave za sve uzraste. E sad, i mene je glupa scena kad se autoboti kriju oko kuće, ali shvatiš da je to za decu, a ne za tebe, pa je iskuliraš.

Quote from: "mac"Nisi se primio na film, okej, nije kraj sveta. Ali ne znači da je film loš u opštem smislu.

Isto tako ako se neko "primio" to ne znači da je film dobar u opštem smislu.

http://www.popboks.com/film/transformers.shtml

Quote from: "mac"Pa dobro, znači nisi pazio, ali ti ljudi oko tebe su pazili, pa su i znali kako je ko gde dospeo. Nisi se primio na film, okej, nije kraj sveta. Ali ne znači da je film loš u opštem smislu.

Edit: ne možeš da imaš ozbiljan film za decu sa džinovskim robotima. Mora da ima zabave za sve uzraste. E sad, i mene je glupa scena kad se autoboti kriju oko kuće, ali shvatiš da je to za decu, a ne za tebe, pa je iskuliraš.

Nisi razumeo šta hoću da kažem. I naravno da govorim o tome da se meni lično nije dopao i da ja lično smatram da je film shit vredan mesta na mojoj ličnoj listi zajedno sa Ratom Svetova ili poslednjim Supermenom. Samo sam hteo da podvučem činjenicu koliko mi se nije dopao time što sam ispričao to da sam propustio te dve-tri scene - jer mi se to stvarno još nije desilo.
A i te kako možeš imati ozbiljan film sa džinovskim robotima - ili bar "normalan". Tako što robotu koji do pre dva minuta nije imao pojma šta je saksija sa cvećem ne ubaciš "ups" u dijalog ili robotu koji ne uspe da uradi nešto ne napraviš da lupa glavom o zid i slične gluposti... da ne govorim o glupom razrešenju "stavi meni kocku, stavi meni kocku, ja ću da se žrtvujem"... a ono na kraju moglo i drugačije. Nebitno, film ima dobru muziku.

Quote from: "mac"Edit: ne možeš da imaš ozbiljan film za decu sa džinovskim robotima. Mora da ima zabave za sve uzraste. E sad, i mene je glupa scena kad se autoboti kriju oko kuće, ali shvatiš da je to za decu, a ne za tebe, pa je iskuliraš.

Izem ti opravdanje. Ja tvrdim da je moguće imati ozbiljan odnosno kvalitetno snimljen akciono/avanturistički film (kao što ih je u prošlosti i bilo), koji ne vređa ničiju inteligenciju, za decu (i odrasle); ali što bi se neko trudio kada se današnje generacije zadovoljavaju kojekakvim krševima (samo da je dovoljno bučno, šareno i brzo). A ako već deca (nažalost) ne znaju za bolje, kakvo je opravdanje za one malo starije? Inače, glupih scena ipak ima previše da bi se tek tako "iskulirale".

Prisetite se malo šta su radili Kameron i Spilberg osamdesetih (pa i devedesetih) i videćete da Bej ne zaslužuju nikakvo opravdanje, pogotovo što je još i tehnologija izrade ovakvog filma (krcatog efektima) dobrano napredovala.

Wow... nešto se čudno dešava u vazduhu... DRUGI put se već potpuno slažem s Milošem oko nečega ovde...  :lol:

Za humor se slažem da je malo infantilan, jedina svetla tačka koje mogu da se setim je ono "She's a criminal. And criminals are HOT", i naravno "to punish and enslave", i saksija upada u taj glupi humor. Ali to da je film neinteligentan mi nije baš jasno. Nije mogao Optimus da kaže "ako sve krene po zlu metni kocku u Megatrona". To me podseća na onaj vic sa praškom za buve u kome moraš da uhvatiš buvu da bi joj sipao prašak u usta. Zapravo, film je prilično konzistentan i logičan, da čak i povratak Bamblbijevog glasa može da se objasni.

Mogao je reći "Ja ću mu metnuti kocku"... ali ispade Optimus glupi heroj kojem je toliko stalo da se žrtvuje da je zaboravio opciju da ubije dve muve jednim potezom i metne kocku Megatronu... jednostavno je suviše antiklimaktičan kraj borbe. PLUS - u tako infantilno skrojenom zapletu standarni plot device mlade, ali pametne grupe ljudi koji provale očas posla caku, ali im pola filma vlada ne veruje, postaje potpuno smešan i pitaš se jao zar su morali i to??? I scena kada hvataju Bamblbija, sa tako dobrom muzikom i puna emocija biva potpuno uništena onim golim i glupim policajcem... sve u svemu, gomila loše skrojenih elemenata.

Tja, ja ne doživljavam ništa od navedenog kao rupe u zapletu. Mogli bismo sad da idemo u detalje, i ispalo bi da za svako potencijalno nelogično mesto u priči postoji makar jedno objašnjenje koje svako može ali i ne mora da kupi. Svakom po volji.

Um... za mene je sve u bilo kojoj umetnosti stvar ukusa.

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Wadafak?
A šta ako mi se oznoje noge? Kako onda dati nekom detetu da se igra sa smrdljivom igračkom?

Valjda nosis carape.

Opšte je poznato da čarape upijaju znoj, te su onda sva tri učesnika (patika, čarapa i noga) smrdljiva.

Quote from: "DušMan"Opšte je poznato da čarape upijaju znoj, te su onda sva tri učesnika (patika, čarapa i noga) smrdljiva.

plissken to ne zna jer on cipele ne izuva čak ni kad se tušira (proverio sam)!

Quote from: "DušMan"Wadafak?
A šta ako mi se oznoje noge? Kako onda dati nekom detetu da se igra sa smrdljivom igračkom?

Nije valjda da bi dao TAKO COOL igračku nekom detetu da se igra???  :lol:  :lol:

Quote from: "Ghoul"plissken to ne zna jer on cipele ne izuva čak ni kad se tušira (proverio sam)!

Tuširali ste se zajedno?

A "Transformers" sequel is being rushed forward with both original scribes Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci, and writer Ehren Kruger ("The Ring," "The Brothers Grimm") in negotiations to team to pen the screenplay for a whopping $5-7 million says The Hollywood Reporter.

Director Michael Bay, star Shia LaBeouf, exec producer Steven Spielberg and producers Tom DeSanto, Lorenzo di Bonaventura and Don Murphy are all back in their respective roles for the Dreamworks/Paramount production.

The inclusion of Kruger along with the substantial payday comes with an obvious caveat - to belt out a script quickly. With the looming threat of a strike mid-2008, many thought the inevitable sequel would wait until after it was over to go into production.

This move, along with a lot of reshuffling behind-the-scenes at the studio, have made this project an obvious priority. Kurtzman and Orci are busy working on the "Star Trek" screenplay for J.J. Abrams, thus it's no surprise that Kurtzman & Orci's fellow "Nightlife" scribe Kruger was brought in to help.

Earlier today The IESB talked with producer Lorenzo diBonaventura about the upcoming "G.I. Joe" film adaptation and how it's progressing.

First off he shoots down the Viggo Mortensen casting rumour - "No, I think Viggo is too old to play it in our concept." The casting of Destro, Zartan and Hawk will be announced in the next two weeks. Also if you're a Joe vs. Cobra fan, then he says that "you will be feel incredibly happy about the movie."

They haven't discussed whether to drop the 'Real American Hero' slogan from the film title, but he does confirm that rumors of the headquarters being based in Brussels or Europe is false and that the film is aiming for a PG-13 rating.

They are seeking the help of the US military like they did with "Transformers" however in terms of techonology. Shooting begins in about five weeks with a month long shoot in Prague before traveling to numerous international and US locations.

Meanwhile in regards to "Transformers 2", he says shooting is scheduled to begin June 2nd 2008. At present they only have a limited outline and "know exactly where we want go with the movie" but can't move on anything until the writer's strike is over.

Michael Bay is already hard at work though - "Michael is completely on top of every detail. He's designed a lot of great stuff already. He's got a lot of great sequences imagined but you know, he needs some writers to work with before he's ready to go, so I would say June 2nd is an unofficial start, it's the target date we'd like to go for but, you know, we've got to get some writers to help us."

Danas ću se, nadam se, konačno naterati da odem da mi urade lobotomiju tj. otići ću da pogledam nastavak Transformersa. Za ovo nesumnjivo bolno iskustvo sam se pripremao uz sjajnu Vernovu kritiku, ali poneću za svaki slučaj i lekove protiv glavobolje i mučnine:

NAPOMENA: kritiku postujem iz dva dela, pošto je probijen maksimum od 20000 karaktera po postu :o

PART I

Transformers Revenge of the Fallen

Okay, first off, this is not a fair review. I didn't go into this thing in good faith. I never thought there was a possibility I would genuinely like this movie. So don't think I'm trying to be objective here. But I've been getting emails and comments for months asking me to review this sequel to a movie I hated, and there's a hell of a conversation going on in the comments for my review of the first one. And to be honest I was strangely excited to see it. It just sounded so insane, and as a fan and scholar of the summer blockbuster movie maybe it was important that I see it, just like I saw MY GIANT for the sake of Seagalogy. Whatever my excuse is, the same guy who got me into the first one for free hooked me up for this one too. So your wish is my command.

Obviously you already know what this is. There's no reason to try to explain the plot, except as a personal challenge. I accept. Here is my serious attempt to remember what in holy hell was going on in the movie I just saw.

Okay. In the caveman days there were already Transformer robots on earth, fighting with robot spears. Meanwhile, a few years after part 1, a giant wheel attacks Shanghai. Also I believe a car or SUV was helping the giant wheel by driving around real fast. The "Autobot" good guy cars now work with the US military (same soldiers from part 1) so they are there to chase around the wheel and enemy car and savagely murder both of them on the spot.

Sam (Shia Lebouf, I, ROBOT) is about to leave for Princeton. His dogs like to buttfuck each other and his parents bicker all the time - you know, the kind where you can tell it must be funny by the way they say it. Sam takes out the shirt he was wearing in part 1 but he never washed it so he didn't notice the large chunk of alien technology still attached, which comes out and turns his kitchen appliances into robotic gremlins, so his Camaro/robot guardian Bumblebee appears and heroically blows up the house. Sam is afraid of commitment so he avoids telling his Playboy model/mechanic girlfriend (Megan Fox, from the magazine covers) that he loves her.

In college his roommate Leo runs a robot-sighting websight. (This character will stick around for the rest of the movie because it's supposed to be funny when he gets real scared or when he gets tased.) Also a hot girl keeps hitting on Sam and his girlfriend at home gets attacked by a small robot that she tortures and captures but Sam starts seeing symbols and going nuts in class so his girlfriend comes and sees him about to fuck the other girl who turns out to be a robot like in TERMINATOR 3 so there's a car chase, etc.

At some point an hour or more in they meet up with John Turturro, who you'll remember got pissed on by a robot in the first one so in comparison his part here seems very dignified. I forgot to mention that the bad guys resurrected Megatron (dead leader from part 1) but I'm not sure why since he's now just an asskissing flunky for the new villain character, The Fallen (voiced by Tony Todd, hopefully they paid him enough that he can take a break from signing CANDYMAN posters at conventions). Megatron lives in a cave in space with Starscream and The Fallen, who if I understood correctly just sits in a throne all day shitting out slimy baby robots and complaining about the Prime brothers and how they're the only ones who can "defeat" him. So Megatron goes back to earth (jesus, I just got home, you're sending me back already?) to kill Optimus Prime so that The Fallen can come down and get the secret symbols from "the boy" and use those to find a secret tomb where his brothers sacrificed themselves to hide The Matrix, not the movie but a piece of metal that can power a machine that nobody noticed was hidden inside one of the pyramids and that will destroy the sun in order to do something else although I honestly forget what it was, but it was evil. I remember that much.

I think the robot Starscream has to stay home and take care of the babies, but I'm not sure. Most of the evil robots look about the same so I'm not sure who is in what scene, but every half hour or so I would figure out one of them was Megatron (usually standing on a building with a camera flying around it in circles) and I'd think "oh yeah, forgot about him. Where's he been?"

At one point somebody kills Optimus Prime, but the girlfriend's little robot prisoner brings them to a museum where they find a jet plane that turns into a robot that is an old man and farts parachutes but agrees with Sam's hunch that the Matrix could bring Optimus Prime back to life so he warps them to Egypt (I didn't catch how) and the military flies in with Optimus Prime's body so they bring it back to life and then a giant robot climbs up the pyramid for about ten minutes until they come up with a plan: shoot something at him, and that kills him. Then I think there was some more fighting, Sam died and went to robot heaven and came back and at the end Megatron was still apparently there because I remember he ran away. Score by Steve Jablonsky featuring Linkin Park.

It's hard to measure but in my opinion this is the single worst script ever used in one of these huge moron movies. It makes INDEPENDENCE DAY seem witty and tightly structured. Traditionally plenty of stupid shit happens in a movie like this, but usually there's an obvious plot there, "they have to stop the aliens from destroying the world, so they find a flaw in their defense systems and work out a plan to destroy them" or whatever. It's a new development to make it so hard for a normal person to even have a clue what the fuck is supposed to be going on, what anybody is trying to do. Michael Bay applied this disorientation method first to editing, then to character design, and now to writing. But it's good for many laughs because every 30 minutes or so some robot earnestly gives some explanation of some magic gizmo or ancient history that comes out of the fuckin blue and then they're off to do some other stupid shit somewhere else. At about the 2 hour mark it sinks in that you are nowhere near a passable ending or climax to a story and there could well be another hour or more left.

I think you all know where I stand on TRANSFORMERS PART 1. I took some flack because I hated the fucking thing but apparently it was agreed on that we were gonna let that one slide. I guess I took it a little personally because I love these types of movies when they're done well, so it really chapped my hide to hear everybody parroting and accepting that cliche about it's just a summer movie, it's supposed to be dumb and incomprehensible, what did you expect, Terminator 2 Terminator 3 Hamlet? only a dijon mustard loving elitist snob would not get a huge boner just from watching a blurry robot punch (hug?) another robot (building?) in 1 second shots while a camera rotates around it really fast so fuck you you hate America why did you call me stupid by saying you don't like it you are a faggot it's not supposed to win oscars.

You know me, I can enjoy stupid movies, even bad movies. I fucking wrote SEAGALOGY, man, of course I understand appreciating different types of movies for what they are, warts and all. All I'm saying is have the courage of your convictions. If you like it, tell me why you like it. Don't just give me a list of the standards it's not supposed to live up to. You're selling movies short. Don't tell me that a movie about this can't also be good. And especially don't tell me that this counts as good action scenes. That's crossing a line, pal. That's like pissing on Abraham Lincoln's grave.

It's a fight I still get dragged into from time to time but you know what, after last summer had THE DARK KNIGHT and IRON MAN and WALL-E, all great, fun, smart, well-made, and hugely popular, it's hard to really get upset about it anymore. I can let go of my fear that standards are so low nobody will try to make good ones anymore. If people like a movie I think is shit then so be it. It'll take more than Michael Bay to kill the summer movie.

But give him an A for effort, he's running after the summer movie naked with a chainsaw like Patrick Bateman. And he has the same abs. TRANSFORMERS PART 2 THE REVENGE OF THE FALLEN is the single most relentless cinematic assault on the human brain that technology has been able to achieve so far. It has everything from the first one, but more: more robots, more visual information, more confusion, more bad jokes, more racism, more minutes to sit through. I compared part 1 to BATMAN AND ROBIN, which nobody agrees with. But forget about the quality comparison and consider this as a case of Batman and Robin Syndrome. Director makes dumb movie, people are okay with it and make it a huge hit, so for the next one the studio says "he seems to know what he's doing" and lets him indulge in every excess and fetish a couple hundred million dollars can buy, truly believing that's what people want because they paid money that first time.

Well, they're paying money a second time too, and that's all that matters to Bay, unfortunately. But unless the general audience response is drastically different from what I've seen so far I think it will have the same effect of killing the popularity of the first one. After all, the robots in that one won't seem as novel after having seen this one. It'll be obsolete. But who wants to watch this shit again?

That really is the only thing the movie intentionally has going for it: an unprecedented amount of ridiculously detailed CGI creations. But just like last time they're put into such a dumb story making such terrible jokes that it's hard to care, and on the occasions when they do the robot fighting that fans of the movies keep talking about it's not all that exciting because you sort of want all of the characters to die and you can't tell if they did because the groundbreakingly indecipherable designs make it hard to tell exactly what's going on. I honestly think they made an effort to pull the camera back a little this time, and I was able to follow it slightly better. In probaly the best scene (I guess) Optimus fights a bunch of bad guys in a forest, and although I don't know who any of the bad guys were I was able to tell that Optimus was the one in the middle and the grey guys surrounding him were the bad guys. That's progress.

In the same way that I'd rather watch BATMAN AND ROBIN again than BATMAN FOREVER (because both are terrible so you go for the more spectacularly terrible one), I enjoyed this alot more than the first one. I have to admit I had a big smile on my face. This crazy motherfucker never runs out of what the fuck!?! moments. I'm sure you've heard about many of these but this movie includes: wrecking ball testicles, robot farting, a robot humping Megan Fox's leg (and she likes it), an extended skit about Sam's mom getting high on pot and going around tackling people, a robot with a cane and beard, a robot that talks like Joe Pesci, internal car peeing in the form of anti-freeze on a girl's face, John Turturro suddenly tearing his pants off to show a closeup of his ass in a g-string, and a scene where Turturro tells a robot that a story he's telling should have a clear beginning, middle and end, a "plot," - as if one of the screenwriters is trying to send out an S.O.S.

I'm kind of fascinated by the schizophrenic tone not only from scene to scene, but even within a scene. For example when the gremlinbots attack Sam it keeps changing from shot to shot whether they seem to want it to be a hilarious comedy scene or a tense moment. People are getting attacked, I think somebody dies, then it cuts to dogs fucking, then Bumblebee gets a hero shot accompanied by THE ROCK style music of courageousness, then the mom bumps her head and it makes a sound like two pans hitting together. It's like one of those writing exercises where you write one sentence and then pass it on to somebody else to continue. Sometimes there are weird non-sequitur cuts like suddenly the hot girl is walking down a hall for no apparent purpose, or they walk out of the Smithsonian and appear in an airplane graveyard. Like in BAD BOYS 2 Bay seems to think he can both do a serious movie and make constant lame jokes.In the middle of what I guess is a tense sequence where the whole world is after Sam there's a cameo by Deep Roy as an Egyptian border guard, they make midget jokes and then he lets them through because he knows John Turturro from a falaffel stand in New York. Get it?  I think the comedy is his worst sin, worse even than the action scenes, because constant unfunny jokes are harder to laugh at than confusing action scenes.

I'm sure you've all heard about "the twins" Mudflap and Skids, last seen in a montage in Spike Lee's BAMBOOZLED. It's funny because in my review of part 1 I got on Michael Bay for the racist stereotype of having a "black" robot whose entire part is to say "what's crackin bitches?", do a breakdance move, and later be dead. Well jesus, that seems quaint after the twins. I read all about it but when you actually see it on screen it's actually shocking, your stomach just drops. They're these two "comic relief" robots who talk ebonics, always punch each other and talk about "popping a cap in your ass." Defending the bigotry to the Associated Press, Bay said "Listen, you're going to have your naysayers on anything," and "I purely did it for kids.  Young kids love these robots, because it makes it more accessible to them." Which explains why they're first disguised as an ice cream truck that says "SUCK MY POPSICLE" on the side of it, and spend most of the movie punching each other and calling each other "pussy." Because of the kids.

(By the way, have you ever noticed how blowhards like to throw in a "listen" here and there? "Listen, you're going to have naysayers on anything. Even David Duke, when he ran for office, alot of naysayers were saying nay to that. Are you listening? Listen. Listen to this. Listen to me. Shut the fuck up and listen. Listen, I'm Michael Bay." Other good phrases for Michael Bay to use would be "Hark!" or "I declare!")

Although there was alot of derisive laughter throughout the movie, some of the audience I saw it with were into it enough that they clapped during some of the fights. But in the scene where you first see the twins' faces clearly everybody groaned and booed. That was right before the joke about how they don't know how to read. I'm embarrassed for Steven Spielberg having his name on this thing, not just because it's so terrible but because I know he fucking knows better. He should have to bring Michael Bay to a slavery museum. Sure, the jive-talking gangsta wannabe stereotype is a common one, but those faces are straight out of some Ku Klux Klan newsletter, or at best a cartoon from the 1930s. How the fuck does that even happen? Look at that shit! He has a gold tooth! They have monkey ears and stoned eyes! This is actually in a 2009 movie, no joke! Who designed these and why?

In Devin Feraci's article about the twins he mentioned that Spielberg was going to screen the movie for the Obama family. Maybe he was making some joke I didn't get because I can't find any other reference to this, but if it's true I would've loved to see the CURB YOUR ENTHUSIASM-worthy uncomfortableness on his face during that "we don't read so much" scene. Sitting there with the first black president, watching ol' Mudflap and Skids. What a great time. If I was Spielberg I would've shown up and said "Hey Obamas, I've got a special treat. I know I said we were watching TRANSFORMERS 2 but instead I brought E.T.! Or MUNICH! SUGARLAND EXPRESS! Anything! Whatever you guys want to watch from all of my movies pre-summer of 2009, we're watching it! Just for you guys!"

There are other politics in the movie that I think are on purpose, not just done out of moronic ignorance. One of the bad guys is a nerdy bureaucrat working for Obama, who talks about diplomacy in the same way a bad guy dean talks about discipline in a fraternity movie. (Michael Bay hates nerds and has to have a scene where a soldier physically humiliates the guy and practically makes him shit his pants.) This guy wants the Autobots to leave earth, because if they weren't there the Decepticons wouldn't be attacking and the war would go away. Optimus says he'll leave if Obama asks him to but implies that it would be foolish and fatal. So yeah, I'm pretty sure Michael Bay wants us to stay in Iraq. Good one. Thanks for your insights, genius.

So, there is some political subtext here and there, but I don't know who wants to analyze that shit. As far as I'm concerned the one aspect of this thing that deserve more thought is the robot babies. Did I dream that part? I had to ask some other people and although one was too drunk to remember it two others agreed with me that there really was a scene with slimy robot babies. The movie just throws that one in your face like you already know about it. "Oh yes, of course, there is a cave in space where Starscream is the nanny to a whole bunch of baby robots. Everyone knows that. You didn't know that?"

I don't know if there are webisodes or prequel comics all about the Deceptitots, or a spinoff sitcom, but personally I was surprised. I guess it's like CARS, you gotta wonder how these things reproduce. Even Tyrese muses about Optimus Prime, "You gotta wonder - if God made us in his image, who made him?" You know how Tyrese is though, always philosophizing. It seems like The Fallen must be the Queen Transformer, laying robot eggs, but I'm not sure. We do know there are girl Transformers, but they don't seem capable of bearing the entire race. I count four, and one of them just has one line and then dies, and then another one dies, and a third one I think might also die in that scene but of course there is no way to really know in a movie like this. Plus all of them are skinny and do not have robot-bearing hips.

It would be best for mankind if there is never a part 3 and if everyone involved in making this one goes off to live on an island harvesting bees and staying away from any sort of device that would cause them to share ideas or pictures with the outside world. But there is a chance these pricks are in it only for the money and will make a part 3, so if that happens I hope they will address the nature or nurture issue. Are these Trasformkins born Autobots or Decepticons? Or are they raised that way? At what point do they grow the symbol? Is it possible for a doctortron to see the symbol on an ultrasound? We learn from the guy with the robot beard and the "funny" Scottish accent that it's possible to switch sides, so the symbol really doesn't prove anything. But I doubt most Transformers see it that way. They're gonna be real upset when a baby pops out with the wrong symbol. It leads to some serious ethical and biomechanical issues.
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PART II

Transformers Revenge of the Fallen

Geoffreyjar wrote to me to ask why I thought people were being so harsh in their reviews when really this is just more of the same shit everybody liked two years ago. For example Roger Ebert wrote a hilariously dead-on evisceration of the movie, but doesn't ever argue that it's different from the first one, which he gave three stars and seemed to enjoy. And it's true, alot of these reviews are basically saying the same things I ranted about in my part 1 review that made so many people so mad.

To answer Geoff's question I believe it's because the novelty of computer animated robots was the only thing people liked in the first one. Same thing here but the novelty has worn off so now they're noticing the rest of it. They're being harsh because they're going through what some of us went through with part 1. I already aired my grievances about the action scenes looking like a closeup of a ball of smashed cars rolling down a hill. So now I guess I'm less mad about it and more able to laugh about it. As camp, if  you're able to stomach it, it's actually pretty hilarious for a while, although it would be much funnier if they trimmed 60-80 minutes. I usually think people have too short of attention spans but this is clearly too long for a movie that doesn't make a very serious attempt to include characters or stories.

I think Roger Ebert may be right, this may be the peak for this type of crap. It would be pretty hard to devise a more potent mix of expensive and horrible. Stephen Sommers and Roland Emmerich will make movies almost as stupid and equally full of destruction, but it will seem a little underwhelming. Unless some studio wants to spend $400 million on an adaptation of a Mountain Dew commercial with  no script, seven years of postproduction and the entire cast in blackface this is about as far as this path will take them. Even then, what kind of special effects would catch people's attention? No matter what stupid shit they come up with people will think, "Yeah, but are there twenty or thirty fifty foot tall robots with ten thousand moving parts wiggling around? No? Then I'm not impressed."

To say that Optimus Prime has an overly complicated design is a huge understatement. I don't even like to look at the fuckin thing. Then at the end another robot dies so Optimus takes the pieces of his corpse and attaches them to himself to go into battle! Never mind the weird Ed Gein implications of that, it's just funny that they think it's a good idea to add even more clutter. That's all they can do is keep spending more money to stack more junk on top of junk. Either that or go back to that whole "good stories and characters" idea from last summer.

 :D

Taj Vern je genije. Šteta što je obamac, though  :(

Da li je Michael Bay snimio film kojim je čitav koncept blokbastera doveo do besmisla u svojoj prenabudženosti, opštem ataku na čula i potpunoj negaciji scenarija? Ova zabavna kritika ukazuje na tako nešto...

http://io9.com/5301898/michael-bay-finally-made-an-art-movie (http://io9.com/5301898/michael-bay-finally-made-an-art-movie)

Critical consensus on Transformers: Revenge Of The Fallen is overwhelmingly negative. But the critics are wrong. Michael Bay used a squillion dollars and a hundred supercomputers' worth of CG for a brilliant art movie about the illusory nature of plot.

Oh, and I would warn you that there'll be spoilers in this review — except that, really, since I still have no idea what actually happened in this movie, I'm not sure how much I can spoil it.

Since the days of Un Chien Andalou and The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari, filmmakers have reached beyond meaning. But with this summer's biggest, loudest movie, Michael Bay takes us all the way inside Caligari's cabinet. And once you enter, you can never emerge again. I saw this movie two days ago, and I'm still living inside it. Things are exploding wherever I look, household appliances are trying to kill me, and bizarre racial stereotypes are shouting at me.

Transformers: ROTF has mostly gotten pretty hideous reviews, but that's because people don't understand that this isn't a movie, in the conventional sense. It's an assault on the senses, a barrage of crazy imagery. Imagine that you went back in time to the late 1960s and found Terry Gilliam, fresh from doing his weird low-fi collage/animations for Monty Python. You proceeded to inject Gilliam with so many steroids his penis shrank to the size of a hair follicle, and you smushed a dozen tabs of LSD under his tongue. And then you gave him the GDP of a few sub-Saharan countries. Gilliam might have made a movie not unlike this one.

And the true genius of Transformers: ROTF is that Bay has put all of this excess of imagery and random ideas at the service of the most pandering movie genre there is: the summer movie. ROTF is like twenty summer movies, with unrelated storylines, smushed together into one crazy whole. You try in vain to understand how the pieces fit, you stare into the cracks between the narrative strands, until the cracks become chasms and the chasms become an abyss into which you stare until it looks deep into your own soul, and then you go insane. You. Do. Not. Leave. The Cabinet.

Michael Bay understands that summer movies are about two things: male anxiety, and pure id. That's why he casts Shia LaBoeuf, that supreme avatar of pure male inadequacy, in the lead role. LaBoeuf projects a pathetic, wall-eyed dorkhood, when he's not babbling like a tumor removed from Woody Allen's prostate that somehow achieved sentience. I imagine the DVD of ROTF will include a whole disk of outtakes where they had to stop filming because LaBoeuf was drooling on camera. As it is, the film includes several extreme closeups of LaBoeuf's dazed stare.

Where was I? Oh yes. So LaBoeuf, who's actually a fine actor, is the stand-in for the male viewers' greatest fears about themselves. No matter how great a loser they might be, they can't be as losery a loser as Sam Witwicky. And yet, Sam has awesome giant robots stomping around telling him he's the most important awesome person ever. And he has the hottest girlfriend in the universe, Megan Fox, for whom banality is a huge aphrodisiac. The more pathetic Sam gets, the more Fox's lips pout and her nipples point, like little Irish setters.

To make matters more awesome for the insecure males in the audience, Sam actually tosses aside his giant robot fanclub and his walking-pinup girlfriend, so he can have a normal life. Of course, this only leads to other robots and hawt chicks (who turn out to be robots too) throwing themselves at him and telling him how important he is. In the end, everybody learns to appreciate Sam just a bit more than they already did, and a booming voice tells him he's earned the "matrix of leadership" through his courage and stuff.

And then there's the "id" part, which is the part where stuff blows up real good, and huge machines smash each other up. And every single performance is so ridiculous that it looks down on "over the top" as if from a great height. It's the part of your brain that thinks it would be awesome to see robots with giant dangling testicles, or hot chicks turning into robot tentacle monsters, or "ghetto" robots that talk in inept hip-hop slang and smash each other playfully, or funny Jewish men who talk about their "schmear" and randomly strip to their G-strings. Is that going too far? Then let's go 100 times farther than that and see what happens!

Transformers: ROTF is so long, you'll need to wear adult diapers to it. But the movie's pure celebration of the primal urge, and unfiltered living, will make you rejoice in your adult diapers. You'll relieve yourself in your seat with a savage joy, your barbaric yawp blending in with the crowd's screams of excitement.

And yet — and here's the part where I really think ROTF approaches "art movie" status — the movie's id overload reaches such crazy levels that the fabric of reality itself starts to break down. Michael Bay has boasted about how every single shot in the movie has so much stuff going on in it, it would take your PC since the dawn of time to render one frame. After a few hours of this assault, you feel the chair melt and the floor of the movie theater becomes an angry mirror into your soul. Nothing is solid, nothing is real, everything Transforms.

The closest thing I can think of to this movie is the Wachowskis' Speed Racer, which had a similar kind of CG image overload, although it was only five hours long as opposed to ROTF's nine.

And around hour six of ROTF, something curious happens: the two components — male enhancement and pure id — start to clash, badly. Usually, in a summer movie, the two aspects go together like tits and ass: Jason Statham plays someone who faces the same insecurities as regular dudes, but he overcomes them, and in the process he blows up everything in the world. But creating that kind of fusion requires enslaving the id to the male enhancement, and that in turn means only going way over the top instead of crazy, stratospheric over the top. Michael Bay is not willing to settle for going way over the top, like other directors.

So you have a movie that tries to reassure men that they can actually be masters of their reality — but then turns around and says that actually, reality is not real. There's no such thing as the "real world," and the only thing that's left for men to dominate is a nebulous domain of blurred shapes, which occasionally blurt nonsensical swear-words and slang from ethnic groups that have never existed. If you're drowning in an Olympic swimming pool full of hot chewing gum fondue, do you still care if Megan Fox likes you?

So yes, ROTF approaches the sublime, and then just keeps rocketing. Next stop: total anarchy. In a sense, it's the first war movie ever to convey a real sense of the fog of war, the confusion that comes with battle. Somewhere around hour nine, you will understand why friendly fire happens in wartime.

So I've gotten almost all the way through this review, and I still haven't summarized the movie's plot. Here goes. It's a couple years after the first movie, and Sam is going off to college, leaving his transforming car and his hot girlfriend, whom he still hasn't told he loves her. And meanwhile, the soldiers from the first movie are running around with a bunch of late-model GM cars and trucks, which turn into robots and fight other robots sometimes. Sam sees weird symbols which make no sense (and they still make no sense at the end of the movie) and they turn out to be the key to the location of a thing that can control another thing, that will enable the bad guys to destroy the sun. Sam has to embrace the heroic destiny he's rejected, so he can save us all from solarcide.

But that bare plot summary doesn't include the twenty or thirty other storylines that could also claim to be the movie's plot. There's the whole thing where someone from Washington D.C. wonders why the U.S. military is running around the globe with a bunch of late-model GM cars from outer space, and tries to put the kibosh on the military-Autobot complex. There's the teenager who's got a conspiracy website, that competes with another conpsiracy website which turns out to be the work of a secret agent who's decided that the best way to keep things secret is to put them on a website. (It works. I post secret stuff on io9 all the time.) Various robots die and then come back to life, and there's a whole strand about whether Decepticons (the bad ones) can become Autobots (the good ones). And there's the Fallen, who's sort of the movie's villain even though he barely shows up. And people from 17,000 BC who had weird teeth and fought robots. And the ancient Egyptians did stuff. And Sam's parents go to France except that they meet a robot and then they're in Egypt.

Really, I could go on and on. This movie starts out with a coherent storyline, for the first half hour or so, and then it just starts to spin faster and faster until the centrifuge of random events slams you into the walls. It doesn't help that there are 500 robots in the movie and they all look kind of the same.

Oh, but that's the other thing about ROTF. It's actually quite funny, a lot of the time. Some of the jokes fall flat, like the "twin" robots with the ghetto speak, and a lot of the stuff with John Turturro. But the movie's relentless silliness is mostly pretty hilarious, in a Saturday morning cartoon kind of way, and almost nothing in the movie seems intended to be taken seriously.

So, to sum up: Transformers: Revenge Of The Fallen is one of the greatest achievements in the history of cinema, if not the greatest. You could easily argue that cinema, as an artform, has all been leading up to this. It will destabilize your limbic system, probably forever, and make you doubt the solidity of your surroundings. Generations of auteurs have struggled, in vain, to create a cinematic experience as overwhelming, and as liberating, as ROTF.

Women as well as men, everyone watching this film will feel the dissolution of all their certainties, all their illusory grasp on the world... but after you fall into a brazen despair that the walls of reality have become toxic ice cream of a million flavors, you will gasp with a greater realization: that once the world is reduced, forever, to a kaleidoscope of whirling shapes, you are totally free. Nothing matters, effect precedes cause, fish spawn in mid-air, and you can do whatever you want. Let yourself go in your adult diaper, Michael Bay invites you. Feel the music of total excess stir inside your deepest core. It is your Allspark, your cube. And you are a Transformer.

ne znam kako iko može da OVOME posveti duže od jednog minuta svog vremena, ali ok, vaši životi, vaša stvar.

Quote from: Ghoul on 01-07-2009, 14:19:43ne znam kako iko može da OVOME posveti duže od jednog minuta svog vremena, ali ok, vaši životi, vaša stvar.

Na šta misliš? Ako misliš na ove dugačke kritike one su prilično zabavne i pronicljivo napisane, pa stoga vredne za pročitati bez obzira da li je neko film gledao ili namerava li da ga gleda. Ako misliš da je gledanje nastavka Transformersa bacanje dva i po sata života u nepovrat, slažem se sa tim, ali ja sam odlučio da film pogledam kako bi o njemu nešto i napisao; i sam si iz čisto akademskih razloga (tj. da bi imao materijala za argumentovanu kritiku) pogledao gomilu bezvrednih horora od kojih, siguran sam, u startu ništa nisi očekivao. To je sličan princip. Inače, odložio sam lobotomiju za sutra, pošto čim odlučim da se zaputim u bioskop na Bejformerse odmah krene provala oblaka. :x

...u međuvremenu, ni konkurencija ne zgubidani...

Transmorphers Fall Of Man 2009 DVDRip XviD-DOMiNO

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... donji dom cast liste krije i jednu dragu, a dugo odsutnu gošću - JENNIFER RUBIN...

miki, svesno sam bio dvosmislen jer mi čak ni ta predugačka vernova bičevanja mrtvog, raspadnutog i crvima izjedenog konja nije vredna detaljnog čitanja (preleteo sam pogledom i pročitao samo nekoliko pasusa da se uverim da je film baš takav kakav očekujem) a slično važi i za ovaj drugi rivju.
previše je nepročitanih duhovitih i pametnih stvari napisano o pametnim i truda vrednim stvarima da bih pratio napise o ovoj orgiji bezvrednosti i idiotizma.
a kamo li pak pokušavao da TO gledam.
ne verujem da bih gledo ni da traje 80' a kamo li to od 140' ili koliko već!

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Although there was alot of derisive laughter throughout the movie, some of the audience I saw it with were into it enough that they clapped during some of the fights. But in the scene where you first see the twins' faces clearly everybody groaned and booed. That was right before the joke about how they don't know how to read. I'm embarrassed for Steven Spielberg having his name on this thing, not just because it's so terrible but because I know he fucking knows better. He should have to bring Michael Bay to a slavery museum. Sure, the jive-talking gangsta wannabe stereotype is a common one, but those faces are straight out of some Ku Klux Klan newsletter, or at best a cartoon from the 1930s. How the fuck does that even happen? Look at that shit! He has a gold tooth! They have monkey ears and stoned eyes! This is actually in a 2009 movie, no joke! Who designed these and why?
In Devin Feraci's article about the twins he mentioned that Spielberg was going to screen the movie for the Obama family. Maybe he was making some joke I didn't get because I can't find any other reference to this, but if it's true I would've loved to see the CURB YOUR ENTHUSIASM-worthy uncomfortableness on his face during that "we don't read so much" scene. Sitting there with the first black president, watching ol' Mudflap and Skids. What a great time.

Izgleda da Vern nije posećivao youtube tijekom souljaboyevogtellem heydaya. Ta čak i crni đavoli poput Krisa Roka kažu da čamuge ne čitaju (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7HHB3sDtfA#lq-hq). A i beli Megatron ih nije prekinuo na pola kao crnju iz prvog filma.
Inače, svaki put kada bi Optimus progovorio očekivao sam da počne trejler.

Šta sad, kad embedujem link u slova ona postanu link, a video se ukači u stranu? Podržavam da takvo prozorče ima link ispod na koji može da se klikne, ako hoću da ga ukačim na forum a gledam na youtubu (ili simultano, što se desi kada se klikne dvaput). Ali može li da ostane samo u slovima?

Evo nečeg za Kripleta i Miloša:

Storyboards from Michael Bay's The Great Gatsby/ (http://www.cracked.com/blog/storyboards-from-michael-bays-the-great-gatsby/)

SJAJNO: a major improvement on a timeless masterpiece!

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