Nispel za volanom,Openhajmer pisao prvu ruku scenarija,ali je sve to manje bitno dok ne vidimo ko će biti Konan.
A ja ga pre neki dan vido u 16ici.
Conan The Barbarian 2010 Casting Drasko Andjic PROMO VIDEO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BeIZPxJ3nI#normal)
Part 2. Conan The Barbarian 2010 Casting Drasko Andjic PROMO VIDEO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3-1KtyM1KI#normal)
Švarcija nasleđuje čovek koji liči na Stalonea :-)
Hehe... Navijamo za draskomisterno-a. xcheers
Quote from: mac on 06-10-2009, 11:12:00
Švarcija nasleđuje čovek koji liči na Stalonea :-)
koji stalone? pa ovo je mladji brat roberta zdarskog.
Hahah genijalno.. :|
Quote from: DušMan on 06-10-2009, 11:51:29
Hehe... Navijamo za draskomisterno-a. xcheers
Čovek je više Zagor (http://www.facebook.com/people/Drasko-Andjic/1617886685). Bora Čorba najviše liči na Konana u faci.
Nezvanično se pominjao Kikinger ali su producenti najavil da traže novo lice i da će svako moći da se prijavi na audiciju,to jest da nije neophodno da kandidati imaju glumačko iskustvo.Zato i Draško ima pravo da se nada.
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Oni se bre idioti preganjaju oko scenarija,prva ruka,druga ruka,sviranje kurcu..
A realno,ako nadju lika koji izgleda kao Konan iz stripa,neće biti ni potrebno da bilo šta priča i glumi-nek samo odseca udove i obara ženske i da NIspel to lepo snimi iz pravih uglova sa dosta krvi i eto hita.
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Najnovije:
HOLLYWOOD. A Swedish company based in Hollywood kicks lives in "Conan" again.
On 21 February next year prefer the recording started.
The project goes off at least half a billion SEK.
- There are a lot of money. But we hope to make this into a profitable franchise. The goal is to make three films, "said Fredrik Malmberg, President of the company Paradox which is behind the effort.
After three weeks have been going on record preparation. But the role of Conan is not set up yet.
No bodybuilder
- We have one guy at once. More I can not reveal right now, "said Malmberg when he meets Amusement blade in Beverly Hills.
Is he famous?
- There is no superstar. In Sweden, I doubt that the vast majority know him. This man certainly knows who he is.
What have you been for the criteria?
- We have not sought any bodybuilder. But even if the story is quite different from the original, it is still a revenge story. There must be someone who can play the barbarian.
Recorded in Bulgaria
To get to a remake of the film as the beginning of the 1980s did Arnold Schwarzenegger to the action star has been under Malmberg been harder than expected. Paradox back in 2002 bought all rights to Conan. When it looked as if Warner would make the film together with the Swedish company. But when nothing happened in 2007 broke Malmberg cooperation and went to Lions Gate. After that he waited six months to director Brett Ratner would accept.
- But we could never get a final word.
Now the job has gone to Marcus Nispel ( "Friday the 13th", "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre
e nece prej....ti Konana sa Svarcijem,taj Nispel uneredi sta dohvati!!!
Now on to the rumours abounding the actor they are in the talks with. Some source that is unknown has spread the rumour that US-American actor pretty-face Jared Padalecki is the present favorite pick. Make what you want of that.
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Na ovoj slici to bi mogao da bude neki Konan za Etiopljane,mi zelimo nagruvanu sirovinu,da se vidi da je covek sisao sa planine i da sa njim nema zajebancije,meni je ovaj Jared Padalecki grisina za Konana u mojoj glavi...
ako režira mtv šminker nispel, naravno da će i konan da bude neki model-pozer-šminker.
taj tvoj konan ima da ostane u tvojoj glavi.
Objavljena je audicija za ulogu Konana i za još dvadesetak likova koje predviđa scenario.
Za svaki od njih dat je detaljan opis traženih fizičkih osobina, karaktera, a kroz scene u kojima će učestvovati čak i prikaz same radnje filma.
Kad pročitate ovo dobijate pregled maltene celog scenarija iz koga je očigledno da izvornog Hauarda nema ni u tragovima.Casting lista deluje kao za neku vrstu varvarske Dinastije-desetogodišnji Konan,mladi Konan,Konanovi ćale i keva,Konanova devojka-Tamara :) ,Glavni negativac Turčin :lol:, njegov sin, pa onda monah,čarobnjak,Kinez vođa lopova,Crnja ratnik,Ciga piratski kapetan,tu su i Pikti naravno...
Iz opisa lika Konanove majke možete saznati na koji način će ona umreti a s obzirom da je u pitanju ubistvo u ustaškom stilu,biće zanimljivo videti da li će Nispelu biti dozvoljeno da to prikaže onako kako takva scena zahteva.
Jared je izgleda otpao zbog rada na Supernatural a sad se kao najozbilniji kandidat spominje Daniel Cudmore
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U igri su još i :
Noah Danby,čovek koji je oženio Kristanu Loken,
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i Paul Sloan
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CONAN CASTING
CONAN
Feature Film
SAG
Executive Producers: Trevor Short, Danny Dimbort, Boaz Davidson, Fredrik Malmberg
Producers: Avi Lerner, Joe Gatta, George Furla, Henry Winterstern, John Baldecchi
Production Companies: Millennium Films / Lionsgate / Paradox Entertainment
Director: Marcus Nispel
Writers: Thomas Dean Donnelly and Joshua Oppenheimer, based on the writings of Robert E. Howard
Casting: Kerry Barden and Paul Schnee
Casting Associate: Allison Estrin
Casting Assistant: Rich Delia
Shoots: February 15
Location: Bulgaria
[ CONAN ]
He's in his 20s to early 30s, Caucasian, powerfully built, broad-shouldered, sun browned skin lined with scars. Piercing blue eyes and square-cut black mane, tall. He is a savage killer that has matured into the refinement his father tried to teach him when he was young. Conan is very smart, almost inhumanly strong, and very cunning. His entire life, from the moment of his birth, has been shaped by violence. Being the last of his tribe and having to watch his father die a cruel death, he is determined avenge his peoples' slaughter by killing all those who led the attack on the Cimmerians, including the all-powerful Khalar Singh. He is prepared to die in order to accomplish his goal. What Conan did not expect, was to find a reason to live... LEAD
[ TAMARA ]
She is 18 to 24 years old, Caucasian or Middle Eastern, open to all ethnicities; beautiful, studious, correct, a novitiate of a Greek influenced monastery. A master of martial arts, she has been trained to be the Queen's servant, bodyguard and best friend. She and many other female bodyguards to the queen have been in hiding most of their lives because of the curse of Acheron, which would take the queen's life to bring almost immortal power to its king. When Khalar Singh, a powerful warlord with ambitions to become the king of Acheron, storms the monastery and captures all of the novitiates, she is separated from Ilira, the one she must protect. With all of her strength and will, Tamara is determined to find and rescue her. She finds herself in league with Conan because of a mutual need to find Khalar Singh. She is not in the least intimidated by Conan's size or grim demeanor and their alliance eventually blossoms into something that surprises them both... LEAD
[ KHALAR SINGH ]
He's in his 40s to 50s, Asian or Middle Eastern, Central Asian, Mongol, Turkish, or Persian, open to all ethnicities; commanding in size and manner, a warlord and formidable warrior, brilliant, cruel, weathered and tanned by the many campaigns he has waged and won. He is driven in his quest to find the Queen of Acheron and has been building an empire to do so. His goal is to find the Queen whose blood will bring life to the demonic minions of Acheron while making himself king of this hellish power. With this power, Khalar will protect his legacy against the onslaught of master sorcerer, Thoth-Amon so that his weak son, Fariq may rule after his death. While riding into a Cimmerian village to recruit his old comrade, Corin, his large collection of mercenaries slaughters them to the last soul when Corin refuses to join them. The village's only survivor was young Conan. When Khalar's search has finally narrowed to the likely discovery of the queen at a monastery of female monks, he also learns Conan is older and hungry for revenge... LEAD
[ CORIN ]
He's in his 30s to 40s, Caucasian, powerfully built, intelligent, graceful, master swordsman, skilled blacksmith, de facto leader of Cimmerians and Conan's father. He resolves to answer the terrible request of his dying wife and cuts Conan out of her so she can see him. He then shoulders the burden of raising Conan, which proves to be daunting given the boy's savage nature. Corin teaches his son the meaning of the sword: a hot blade must be cooled and tempered. When Khalar finally corners him and tortures him to death, he shows no regret nor pain, hiding his concern for his son's safety from the eyes of the enemy. SUPPORTING
[ FARIQ ]
He's in his 20s to early 30s, Asian or Middle Eastern, open to all ethnicities, slight of frame, piercing eyes, cruel, determined to prove to his father that he can rule the world when the time comes. But he has the mentality of a proto-goth rocker, so ruling the world will prove elusive. However, Fariq makes up for his lack of battle skills with his deft understanding of sorcery and evil determination to find the real queen of Acheron. SUPPORTING
[ ILIRA ]
She is 18 to 20 years old, Caucasian or Middle Eastern, beautiful, fun-loving, a novitiate of a Greek influenced monastery. She has been hidden away in a monastery since birth since she is the designated queen of Acheron. When Khalar Singh captures her among all of the other novitiates and start the process of killing them to find out which is the real queen, Ilira maintains her courage under unbelievably cruel circumstances. SUPPORTING
[ UKAFA ]
He's in his 30s-40, very dark-skinned African or African American, massively framed at six-foot-five, gold-toothed, hardened by a lifetime of war, a leader of Kushite Tribemen from the savannahs of Kush. Ukafa is Khalar Singh's second in command, jealous that Singh's son, Fariq, will one day be warlord. He obeys his leader but plots the overthrow of his son. He is a mighty warrior and unbeatable in battle—until he comes face to face with Conan. LEAD
[ REMO ]
He's in his 30s, any ethnicity, thin, feral, misshapen, a mysterious warrior of dark magic who travels by shadow and surprises men with a quick death. He leads a band of tracking Shadow Scouts under Khalar Singh's employ. He can be immensely fast and devious, his soul as twisted as his body. SUPPORTING
[ FASSIR ]
He's in his 50s, Middle Eastern, Asian, Caucasian, SUBMIT ALL ETHNICITIES, strict yet loving, learned and spiritual, an elder monk and leader of the monastery. He's charged with the care and education of the queen, Ilira. SUPPORTING
[ LUCIUS ]
He's in his 30s, Caucasian, handsome, proud, haughty, lethal, a leader of a Legion of Aquilonian Mercenaries. While attacking Corin and Conan in close quarters, he is thrown into a fiery forge that disfigures him for life. His self-revulsion twists him to the point that years later he takes great pleasure in torturing prisoners. SUPPORTING
[ ONE-EYED THIEF (ONE-EYED PRISONER) ]
He's in his 20s to 30s, any ethnicity, wiry, a leader of thieves, who has had the bad luck to fall into Lucius' grips and is being tortured by him. However, the tables are turned by Conan and this prisoner has his revenge. He later appears at Khor Khala City and offers aide to Conan as a way to pay his debt. SUPPORTING
[ ARTUS ]
He's in his 30s, tan and swarthy, almost Gypsy-like, handsome, charming, even dashing in a gruff way, a Zamoran pirate and good friend to Conan. They have shared many adventures together and trust each other with their lives. Artus is a master of the high seas with a fast and powerful ship. He shows his mastery in strategy and hand-to-hand combat during a fierce sea battle. SUPPORTING
[ CHEREN ]
He's in his 30s, any ethnicity, a blind archer with the mystical ability to strike down any enemy with his bow and arrow. He leads a large band of blind archers whose accuracy and cunning lends a powerful presence to Khalar's army of mercenaries. SUPORTING
[ PICT ]
He's in his 30s, any ethnicity or dark-complexioned Caucasian ("pict" is Latin for "painted one") the fourth in the band of Pict Savages. He survives Conan's onslaught and beings Khalar Singh to where the Cimmerians camp. He is promised the heads of his enemies.
[ YOUNG CONAN ]
Caucasian, tough and wiry, scary violent. At ten, he insists on joining the teenage boys entering their rites into becoming warriors. When four Picts cross his path and kill one of the boys, Conan unleashes a savagery that goes too far for a warrior. His father takes him aside and personally trains him. His father teaches him what makes a good sword but he has still much to learn what makes a good swordsman. When the Cimmerians are attacked by Khalar Singh and his mercenaries, Conan is the only survivor, the last of the Cimmerians. SUPPORTING
[ ISLENE ]
She's in her 20s, Caucasian, beautiful, courageous, Amazonian built, pregnant with her son, Conan. She is stabbed through the belly by an Aesir Raider. Her dying request to her husband, Corin, is to take the baby from her womb before she dies so that she can see him...
[ YOUNG FARIQ ]
He's ten years old, Asian or Middle Eastern, submit all ethnicities, Khalar Singh's son, a sociopath in the making, one who has no qualms killing a wounded man with his own sword.
[ MARAUDER ]
He's in his 30s to 40s, Caucasian, massively built and brutal, a stone cold killer that takes relish in the killing of the pregnant Islene. His shield bears the emblem of Thoth-Amon. However, his arrogance is his downfall as she, in turn, kills him.
[ YOUNG ARTUS ]
He's 15 to 16 years old, Caucasian, Cimmerian, a tall muscular kid embarking on the initiation rite to become a warrior. He mocks the smaller Conan much to his regret. While on the trail, he tries to convince Conan to flee after wandering off the path into a dark pass littered with corpses hanging from trees. Young Conan saves him from the Khalar's raid on Cimmeria. When given a chance to fight for his homeland, Artus flees to save himself.
[ THREE PICT SAVAGES ]
In their late teens, early 20s, SUBMIT ALL ETHNICITIES, large, brutish, bearded, and wild. They are on a hunting party and come across some teenage Cimmerians—heads to add to their collections. What they didn't count on was the savagery of young Conan.
[ NARRATOR ]
A storyteller's voice of old, VOICEOVER ONLY
:x :roll: :shock: :oops: :( :cry:
Conan plot synopsis released!
Here we are, after years of waiting and struggle. The plot synopsis for the new Conan Movie has been leaked out into the public by dreadcentral. As we could suspect after this ridicolous casting call this is absolutely hilarous.
Enjoy!... Or.. do it like i do, cry. (Please excuse any typo, i was laughing and crying while i am writing this )
Amidst a raging sword battle on the icy fields of Cimmeria, a child is bom, cut out of his mother's womb by his father, CORIN. With her last breath, she names him CONAN. The young boy quickly proves himselfan innate if impulsive warrior. The young warrior is inquisitive about the outside world, and while his father tries to shield him, in time the world comes to their doorstep.
KHALAR SINGH, a powerful warlord, arrives with his band of mercenaries, demanding not gold or steel, but one woman from each bloodline. The Cimmerians refuse and a massive battle ensues. Khalar Singh winning the day through the use of black magic. Corin, knowing the battle is lost, hides Conan, at the cost of his own life. Conan, wracked by the guilt ofa survivor, vows his revenge on Khalar and his warriors. When we meet Conan again, many years later, he's grown into a powerful and experienced warrior.
His revenge is nearly complete as he traps one of the few of Khalar`s former warriors still left alive. LUCIUS. Before killing him, Conan discovers Khalar's location in the distant Khauran. In a hidden oasis in the desert, Khalar finds TAMARA, the last of an ancient royal line, the one person he's been searching for the past twenty years. Tamara, unknowing of her own identity, is told to flee by her mentor, FASSIR, even as Khalar's forces enslave or massacre the oasis' people. Tamara escapes, and a furious Khalar sends his men scouring the countryside for her. But her path crosses Coaan's first, and instead of setting her free he decides to use her as bait to draw Khalar out from behind his protective shield of warriors. But the plan fails and Conan and Tamara must work together to escape, an escape which first reveals a great power building inside the frightened girl.
Conan ends up on a pirate ship that Tamara's people have commissioned to take her far from Khalar's grasp. Conan team of Khalar's plan: to revive the ancient and evil empire of Acheron by sacrificing the only living heir to its throne, Tamara. Simura explains that Khalar desires the power, which now grows inside Tamara, a power, if unleashed, would once again bring all mankind under Acheron's bloody and brutal reign. The truth of her destiny has been hidden from Tamara, for her own good, but when the treacherous pirates try to turn her over to Khalar's forces, even Conan's brute force is little compared to the explosion of energy unwittingly released by Tamara. In the smoldering aftermath, only Conan and Tamara are left alive.
Conan tries parting ways with Tamara, intent on his own revenge but she asks him for help getting into Khalar's forces to rescue her people. Like Conan, Tamara can bear no more blood on her hands. Conan finally relents and they make love, not knowing that Khalar is performing a ritual, sacrificing part of his soul to create a demon to help him kill Conan. Once inside the fortress. Conan kills the massive JAILER, and Tamara finds many of her people, including Fassir, still alive. Fassir reveals he's a traitor, turning Tamara over to her enemy. Conan falls into Khalar`s trap, forced to battle the demon he summoned.THE SHADOW OF NERGAL. Conan survives, then forces Fassir's acolyte, BAEL, to lead him to Acheron, where Tamara is to be sacrificed. The ghosts of the ancient ruins of Aeheron come alive as the last of the royal line, Tamara, is led up to the sacrificial altar. Conan arrives and starts cutting a swath through the soldiers that block his path to her, including his main revenge target, UKAFA. Conan finds Khalar to be a tough opponent. As Tamara is about to be killed, her eyes tum black and she fully assumes the form of Queen of Acheron, and unleashes her power. After Conan kills Khalar, Tamara begs him to kill her too. so the power within her won`t rise to shed more blood. Conan reluctantly agrees and plunges a spear into her chest. They share one last kiss as she dies in his arms.
Priča sama po sebi može da prođe, ali sve zavisi od režije.
Quote..Conan finally relents and they make love,
Pravi Konan bi ženku obalio odmah a ne tek pri kraju filma, ali ako ništa drugo bar će biti grudi,da citiram Harva.
Uf... ovo veze nema s životom.
ljudi, deal with it.
MUDOVITI filmovi se danas u holivudu VIŠE NE SNIMAJU.
prestanite više da maštate da će neki današnji video-spotovci i video-igričari od 'reditelja' da rekreiraju onu krv, znoj, suze, spermu, prljavštinu, grit, i sve ostalo što su akcijaši iz 70ih i 80ih imali.
nema to više.
žao mi je, zaista.
sad možete da dobijete samo šuplji fenseraj, poziranje, fejk bulšit za klinčuriju.
ovo isto važi i za horor rimejke, ili čak i horor 'originale' koji se danas u usa prave.
jebi ga.
Naravno, potpisao bih gornju Gulovu poruku, ali u slučaju Konana postoji još jedna otežavajuća okolnost, a u vezi je sa time:
Kako danas ponoviti hemiju Milijus/Stoun + Švarci? Ni-jebeno-kako. Ma ne ponoviti. Dosegnuti toliko da je makar pribižna, da ovo novo uopšte vredi imena Konan. Čak će i Red Sonja i Conan the Destroyer za ovo biti nedostižni vruhunci jedne velike sage. Novi Konan jednostavno ne može da valja.
Quote from: John Reynolds on 07-11-2009, 02:53:51
Naravno, potpisao bih gornju Gulovu poruku, ali u slučaju Konana postoji još jedna otežavajuća okolnost, a u vezi je sa time:
Kako danas ponoviti hemiju Milijus/Stoun + Švarci? Ni-jebeno-kako. Ma ne ponoviti. Dosegnuti toliko da je makar pribižna, da ovo novo uopšte vredi imena Konan. Čak će i Red Sonja i Conan the Destroyer za ovo biti nedostižni vruhunci jedne velike sage. Novi Konan jednostavno ne može da valja.
Da su pametni, obradili bi period kada je Konan kralj Akvilonije, pa bi Guvernator mogao da odigra ulogu starog Konana, a novi glumac da igra njegovog sina, Kona.
Da ima pametnih, čitali bi Sagitu i ono što sam pisao o prikvelu Aliena, pa bi snimili film bez ljudi i bilo bi objašnjeno šta se dogodilo sa onim čudom od okamenjenog vanzemaljca.
Quote from: Ghoul on 07-11-2009, 02:02:42
ljudi, deal with it.
MUDOVITI filmovi se danas u holivudu VIŠE NE SNIMAJU.
Upravo iz ovih razloga,ja i nisam imao nikakve iluzije u vezi sa ovim projektom.
Većina tvrdokornih Konanovih fanova ,međutim,naivno je poverovala Fredriku Malmbergu, direktoru Paradoxa,vlasniku prava na Konana i ostale Hauardove likove,i koproducentu filma,da će nova filmska verzija Konana,za razliku od Milijusovog ostvarenja iz 1982.,biti verna originalnoj Hauardovoj ideji i izvornoj kreaciji omiljenog im Simerijanca.
Zato su i bili toliko šokirani kada se scenario pojavio na netu jer on sa Hauardovim Konanom i njegovim svetom ima veze jedino po imenu. Fanovi iz celog sveta na REHovom zvaničnom sajtu su toliko besni da su čak i napisali peticiju Fredriku Malmbergu(neki su se na forum registrovali samo iz tog razloga) u jalovoj nadi da mogu uticati da se stopira rad na ovom scenariju dok se ne izmeni i približi originalnoj Hauardovoj ideji.
Meni je među brojnim biserima iz sinopsisa,omiljeni ovaj:
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Like Conan, Tamara can bear no more blood on her hands.
Ljudima je izgleda teško da shvate da ekipu koja je angažovana na ovom projektu ne čine nezavisni filmski autori koji snimaju film o Konanu da bi zadovoljili ortodoksne fanove i ispravili nepravdu koju su Hauardu i njegovom čedu naneli Milijus i Arnold,već da je to Holivud koji se dohvatio Konana ne bi li u eri masovne ekranizacije svih mogućih stripova,iskoristio svetsku popularnost ovog lika da zaradi pare i stvori uslove za uspešnu i dugovečnu franšizu.Zbog toga je ovaj tupavi scenario i napisan po oprobanom ziheraškom modelu u već viđenom stilu sword and sorcery limunada poput Scorpion kinga na primer,kako bi osigurao da današnja retardirana bioskopska publika dobije upravo ono što očekuje i što je Gul gore definisao kaošuplji fenseraj, poziranje, fejk bulšit za klinčuriju.
Pogledajte samo za koju lovu valjaju ove figurice,majke im ga kapitalističke.
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CONAN, BELIT, AND ZULA STATUE SET BY HARD HERO
$650.00
Kao što sam na početku ove teme i napisao,mene lično jedino zanima koga će izabrati da igra Konana jer je pravi izbor glavnog glumca jedina šansa da ovaj film ne bude totalno smeće.
Kasting je inače uveliko u toku a jedan od kandidata koji je već prošao probna snimanja je Škot Paul Telfer,koga se sećamo iz Holmarkovog Herkulesa.
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QuoteWell - The audition went very well I thought. Did everything I wanted to do. It's in Crom's hands now...
They have done a great job on the script - really exciting and it totally gets the character and world. Plus there is loads of R rated violence!
Quote from: Ghoul on 07-11-2009, 02:02:42
prestanite više da maštate da će neki današnji video-spotovci i video-igričari od 'reditelja' da rekreiraju onu krv, znoj, suze, spermu, prljavštinu, grit, i sve ostalo što su akcijaši iz 70ih i 80ih imali.
nema to više.
Srećom,tu su televizijski produkcijski kanali,kao što je HBO koji je Rimom i Dedvudom pokazao da postoje ljudi koji i danas to znaju da naprave i isporuče kako treba,a što je najvažnije da može biti i komercijalno.
Baš zato ja mnogo više nade polažem u najavljeni film o Konanu britanske televizijske produkcije Carlton koji bi trebalo da predstavlja ekranizaciju priče The Devil in iron.
Scenario je završen,a budžet je 7 miliona funti.Uostalom,evo šta o projektu kaže jedan od insajdera.
QuoteGentlemen, it has been a while since i last posted anything regarding the Conan television production (first person uses the words 'tv movie' gets a Barachan spear in the neck!) so having read through the recent character list for the theatrical feature film plus being given the nod from the Powers That Be about the production, i can now give you something solid to digest for the Hallowe'en weekend...
28 years ago, British television company Carlton Television, which was (and is) part of the massive ITV network, paid an extremely large sum to be one of the first terrestrial channels to be able to broadcast the motion picture Conan The Barbarian. An additional clause in the deal stated that Cartlon television would have complete right to adapt for the television medium original works by Robert E Howard under the proviso that said work was in the public domain. Bearing in mind that this deal was made in 1981, The rightsholders to Conan really were not concerned with a date that was a Quarter of a century away. Carlton Television did not have the rights to create original material. Everyone got that? They could create original material provided it did not make up more than 10% of any adaptation of an original Robert E Howard public domain story.
Which is where we are at, at the moment. The production has finance firmly in place to the tune of £7m, has a new Director onboard (Mr Graham Harper has left due to scheduling commitments but was outstanding in helping find his replacement) the script has undergone revision to tighten the narrative, and a number of locations have been scouted. I shall also be posted an excerpt from the finished script by the weekend for you to critique in your genteel manner as seen by previous form. The final title will be 'Conan The Barbarian - The Devil In Iron.'
Casting: We are talking to one young man at the moment from north of the border. He has success playing fantasy before, is going to be a rising star, that i am sure of, and is a great actor.
More when i can, folks...
Keep the faith.
TB.
Imajući sve ovo u vidu, ne treba da čudi što baš Englezi stoje iza realizacije filma o Solomon Kejnu koji sudeći po trejleru,bar vizuelno nagoveštava da će biti blizak originalnom Hauardu.
A dok ne budemo u prilici da vidimo ove filmove,kao jedina prava i dosledna posveta ovom kultnom autoru,ostaje nam sjajni The Whole Wide World o životu i smrti Roberta Hauarda koga je maestralno tumačio Vincent D'Onofrio
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Šta ti, Ekstremisto, imaš protiv Milijusovog Konana?
Eh, što se HBO tiče, neslavan kraj Deadwooda ne govori im baš u prilog :-(
Quote from: John Reynolds on 09-11-2009, 19:28:40
Šta ti, Ekstremisto, imaš protiv Milijusovog Konana?
Jebi ga,nisam verovao da ću morati to da obrazlažem,ali pošto sam na ovom forumu video da i Alex i Jor obožavaju taj film,a radi se o Konanovim fanovima i poznavaocima materije,nema mi druge.
Sad kuckam nešto o Čudotvornom maču,pa kad to završim napisaću i par redova o tome zašto Milijusovog i Švarcenegerovog Konana smatram uvredom za Hauarda i katastrofom u svakom smislu.
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Milijusov film i nije zasnovan na Hauardovim romanima, već na "Marvelovim" stripovima, koliko se sećam. Čini mi se da danas nema nikoga ko bi mogao da realizuje konana kako treba, sa izuzetkom Kameruna i Džeksona.
Džon Burman može bilo šta da realizuje kako treba u bilo kom trenutku.
Quote from: nightflier on 10-11-2009, 19:46:53
Milijusov film i nije zasnovan na Hauardovim romanima, već na "Marvelovim" stripovima, koliko se sećam.
A koji su zasnovani na Hauardovim pričama "Queen of the Black Coast",
"A Witch Shall be Born" "Red nails" itd.
A što se tiče reditelja,pa ja sam posle gledanja Gibsonovog Apokalipta shvatio ko bi bio idealan čovek da snimi Konana.
Inače,ona peticija izgleda da je dala rezultate.
QuoteDear Conan and Howard fans,
This is the first post in a thread about the development of the new Conan movie. To keep our announcements about the progress easily found and in sequence, this thread is pinned and closed. We will post updates when there is information to give. As the movie is in development, not production, the announcements will likely be sporadic until a later stage.
First of all, a few comments on the surge in posts the past two weeks. Please keep in mind that everything is still a work-in-progress. It is best not to jump to conclusions about a movie that won't be released for 18 months or so from now. Paradox/CPI is working with the studio (Millennium/Nu Image), the other producers, the distributor (Lions Gate) and the director (Marcus Nispel) by giving input on the development. CPI strives to make this an action-filled movie in the world of Conan, taking inspiration from the writings of Howard, however, some liberties will have to be taken to reach out to a wider audience. It remains our hope that bringing Conan and other characters to a new generation will enhance the awareness of the writings of Robert E. Howard.
Secondly, scripts change constantly when a film is in production, even during shooting. While there is usually one writer or writing team credited in a movie, it is very common to use different writers for later rewrites. We are now preparing for a new set of eyes (and hands) to begin a rewrite. The owner of said eyes and hands shall remain unnamed for now...
Jay@Paradox
Quote from: nightflier on 10-11-2009, 19:46:53
Milijusov film i nije zasnovan na Hauardovim romanima, već na "Marvelovim" stripovima, koliko se sećam.
No way,nikako...Millius svog Conana nikako nije zeleo da dovodi u vezu sa marvelovim stripom...
Činjenica je da Hauardov, Marvelov, Milijusov, a najverovatnije i Dark Horseov Konan, nisu previše različite stvari tj mnogo više su suštinski slični.
Conan The Barbarian 2010 Casting Aaron Phypers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNC3Nq_JccE#normal)
Quote from: Axle Munshine on 19-11-2009, 20:03:11
Quote from: nightflier on 10-11-2009, 19:46:53
Milijusov film i nije zasnovan na Hauardovim romanima, već na "Marvelovim" stripovima, koliko se sećam.
No way,nikako...Millius svog Conana nikako nije zeleo da dovodi u vezu sa marvelovim stripom...
Ne znam šta je želeo, ali znam šta je postigao.
video
http://www.mikeohearn.com/ (http://www.mikeohearn.com/)
"Had a great audition,callback, and sit down with acclaimed director Marcus Nispel for the lead role in the new CONAN movie that begins filming next month. Please send out your thoughts and vibes. Thanks for all your support."
Mike O Heam
Inače,Stefan Kapičić priča po čaršiji da će dobiti ulogu Konanovog ortaka,piratskog kapetana. :cry:
Izabran novi Konan!!!
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STARGATE ATLANTIS actor Jason Momoa has been cast as Conan in the new remake by Marcus Nispel.
The 6ft 5ins Hawaiian-born actor and model, who was also in Baywatch, won the role of the barbarian warrior after impressing filmmakers Lionsgate, Millennium Films and Paradox Entertainment with test scenes in which he wielded a sword, says Deadline Hollywood.
Momoa, 30, beat off competition from Twilight's Kellan Lutz and a third candidate who I revealed on here to be Supernatural's Jared Padalecki. Padalecki had previously worked with Nispel on last year's Friday the 13th reboot.
Filming will begin in Bulgaria on March 15, with an eye on a 2011 release.
Latino Review is reporting that Mickey Rourke has been offered the part of Conan's father Corin.
Vidim ja, ici ce ovo direct to DVD...
:-)
A? Ovo... je... Konan?
:roll:
Pliz, pliz, PLIZ, recite mi da je ovo samo grozna šala! :x :cry:
Quote from: Mark on 24-01-2010, 23:53:45
Vidim ja, ici ce ovo direct to DVD...
:-)
Prije će biti direct to kanta za smeće.
Quote from: Harvester on 25-01-2010, 01:09:09
Pliz, pliz, PLIZ, recite mi da je ovo samo grozna šala! :x :cry:
Nije. Evo jedne još "lepše" fotke...
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video sam ovo još prekjuče, ali mi bilo bzvz da uopšte komentarišem.
missim, ŠTA REĆI???
kakav 'reditelj' takav i 'glumac' takav i 'konan'!
pa to je kal drogo!
:)
Ovo je strašno. Nije baš da mi je rimejk Konana bio na vrhu most anticipated liste, ali kako uopšte gledati film u kome glavnu ulogu igra ovo... stvorenje?
Quote from: Ghoul on 25-01-2010, 01:20:27
video sam ovo još prekjuče, ali mi bilo bzvz da uopšte komentarišem.
missim, ŠTA REĆI???
kakav 'reditelj' takav i 'glumac' takav i 'konan'!
A svi smo očekivali od tog Nispela čudo. Sećam se kad je napustio END OF DAYS koliki je hype bio oko njega kao beskompromisnog reditelja. I onda ovo... Havarija...
Već nekoliko dana se ova informacija oko konačnog izbora glavnog glumca vrti po netu a jedini izvor na koji se pozivaju je Deadline Hollywood.Još uvek nije stigla zvanična potvrda od producenata tako da postoji kakva takva nada da ovo ipak nije definitivno.
Ali pazite sad ovo.Fotošop je čudo.
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OMG!
Pa ovde zaista i liči na varvarina... Ko bi rekao da brada, brkovi i kosa čine čoveka.
meni se mnogo sviđa ono što je gipson reko za vikinge, glede svog projekta.
da treba da se USEREŠ samo kad ih vidiš, i nema tu ništa fensi-šmensi poze i šminke i kinđurenje.
ja tako nekako vidim i pravog konana - kao jednog zlopogleđu za useravanje, a ne ovog manekena i šminkera.
Upravo sam i ja krenuo da hejtujem, kad ono Ekstremista postova ove slike i baci me u rebus.
u fotošopu od ovoga mož da napravite i teslu, ali... ovo neće da valja.
Scenario je, navodno, užasan.
Quote from: crippled_avenger on 25-01-2010, 13:44:16A svi smo očekivali od tog Nispela čudo. Sećam se kad je napustio END OF DAYS koliki je hype bio oko njega kao beskompromisnog reditelja. I onda ovo... Havarija...
Quote from: Spider Jerusalem on 07-02-2003, 05:27:18
Nisam siguran da li je to bas to ime, ali tip koji je prvobitno trebalo da radi End of Days je fucking genije. On je hteo da napravi akcione sekvence never-before-seen-in-a-movie-ever, sa sve 120 kamera koje snimaju istovremeno, itd. Needless to say, nisu hteli da mu daju to da radi, pa je tip otisao (ovaj nije bio "sutnut"). Naravno, i scenario je tada bio dosta drugaciji.
Cisto da ocistim ljagu sa obraza jednog coveka.
E sad, kako su mali spajder i njegova arahnidska braca videla End of Days kad su culi najavu i plot filma:
Znaci, poslednje scene: Svarca u svom metalnom, konan-ali-vise-fetish outfitu drzi satanu za kragnu - par centimetra iznad zemlje - i repetitivno mu zabija svoju glavu u nos. DAM!, DAM!, DAM!
Sve se to dogadja na litici pakla, dole iz mracne, odvratne zelenjave vode proviruje nakot demona (bas su nam licili na orke u gospodarima kad smo ih zamisljali) koji navijacki vicu:
"SWAR-CA! SWAR-CA! SWAR-CA! SWAR-CA! SWAR-CA!.."
:)
U zadnjem krugu je osim Džejsona u igri bio i maneken iz Twilighta,Kellan Lutz
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ali i po meni sasvim pristojan lik za mladog Konana Travis Van Winkle
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a i pravi Džejson-Derek Mears
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Quote from: Ghoul on 25-01-2010, 14:55:19
ja tako nekako vidim i pravog konana - kao jednog zlopogleđu za useravanje,
kao na primer
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petar čelični bi svakako bio značajan napredak u poređenju s ovim manekenima.
Svaka čast, gde se seti Pitera Stila! Danzig je prenizak.
Mislim da je ovo producentska ujdurma. Usrali su se činjenice da Konan u nekim krugovima važi za ultimativnog arijevskog ratnika i da je zbog toga morao biti izabran neki obojeni maneken. Kad sad vratim film, ovo se i dalo očekivati, ali jednostavno uvek potcenim snagu diktata političke korektnosti.
"What is best in life? - To crush your enemies, see them driven before you... and to hear the lamentation of their women!"
Conan the Barbarian
Ovo zvuci tako nekorektno danas...
:-)
To su zapravo reči Džingis Kana koje je Milijus maznuo iz knjige Harloda Lamba Emperor of all men.
Konan ne razmišlja tako plitko. Potrebna mu je samo prava žena(Belit) kao inspiracija da bi izneo svoju životnu filozofiju.
"I have known many gods. He who denies them is as blind as he who trusts them too deeply. I seek not beyond death. It may be the blackness averred by the Nemedian skeptics, or Crom's realm of ice and cloud, or the snowy plains and vaulted halls of the Nordheimer's Valhalla. I know not, nor do I care. Let me live deep while I live; let me know the rich juices of red meat and stinging wine on my palate, the hot embrace of white arms, the mad exultation of battle when the blue blades flame and crimson, and I am content. Let teachers and priests and philosophers brood over questions of reality and illusion. I know this: if life is illusion, then I am no less an illusion, and being thus, the illusion is real to me. I live, I burn with life, I love, I slay, and am content.
"Queen of the Black Coast"
Quote from: John Reynolds on 25-01-2010, 20:05:00
Mislim da je ovo producentska ujdurma. Usrali su se činjenice da Konan u nekim krugovima važi za ultimativnog arijevskog ratnika i da je zbog toga morao biti izabran neki obojeni maneken. Kad sad vratim film, ovo se i dalo očekivati, ali jednostavno uvek potcenim snagu diktata političke korektnosti.
Jašta brate
Howard's most famous creation, Conan the Barbarian, is supposed to have lived between the fall of Atlantis and the "rise of the sons of Arya" (i.e. the Aryans). In his story Wings In The Night, Howard also wrote:
"The ancient empires fall, the dark-skinned peoples fade and even the demons of antiquity gasp their last, but over all stands the Aryan barbarian, white-skinned, cold-eyed, dominant, the supreme fighting man of the earth".
(Wings of the Night)
Ništa ni sa ničim, niko ni sa kim, rekao bih. Posmatrajući defile kandidata-manekena, pomišljao sam na gay Konana, čiji neprijatelji ne bi strahovali samo od sukoba sa njegovim mačem, ili pesnicama, već i od mogućnosti da budu seksualno napastvovani. Potom, suočen sa konačnim (o, ima li nade da ipak tako ne bude?) izborom, javljao mi se prizor Konana sa daskom za surfovanje, kako napušta svoj egzil na Havajima da bi se na brzaka osvetio, ili šta već, pa se vratio talasima i suncu. Više protivnika osakaćuje vitlajući dredovima, nego mačem, a bojini poklič mu je "Alohaaaaa!!!"
Negde sam naleteo na podatak da je za ulogu bio razmatran i Austrijanac Roland Kickinger, Arni-umesto-Arnija, koji je već obavljao sličan posao, mada u mnogo manjem obimu, u Terminator Salvation. Biće da u Austriji takve štancuju po nekom kalupu, pa, kad se jedan primerak izraubuje, izbace na tržište novi.
Mislim da bi, od predočenih kandidata, prihvatljiva rešenja bili Paul Telfer i onaj naš Draško. Prvi je, po konstituciji, spram Padareckog i drugara, kao jablan među borićima. Baby-face je verovatno malo sazrela i ogrubela od "Herkulesa" naovamo. Ume da glumi ko'ko i ostali, mada je to u drugom planu. Draško nije ništa sitniji, a faca bi mu, uz dužu kosu, bila prilično konanovska. Akcenat mu je verovatno na nivou Arnijevog, samo sa istočnjačkim šmekom, znači - isto to, samo malo drugačije. Od glumačkog umeća se ni Arni nije pretrzao, pa, ne bi ni naše gore list tu ispao nešto hendikepiran.
Angažovanje Jasona Momoe kao Konana (kako to ime pompezno zvuči; ispisano krupnim slovima, ukrasiće uvodnu špicu) podseća me na skoriji izbor Lou Diamond Philips-a da u rimejku "Angel and the Badman" tumači ulogu koju je '48-e igrao John Wayne. Doduše, rekao bih da je to ostvarenje imalo nešto manji značaj u Duke-ovom opusu nego Konani (sa naglaskom na prvi, naravno) u Arnijevom, ali, uporedite konstituciju, snagu ličnosti i posvemašnju potonju legendarnost Wayne-a, sa adutima Dijamanta?
Još uvek gajim slabašnu nadu da će se producent(i) ipak u poslednji čas popišmaniti, pa odnekud dovući nekoga prikladnijeg od ovog surfera-varvarina i njemu sličnih...
Surfer+varvarin=surfarin.
Konan Surfarin?
Conan The Surfarian!
A, šta mislite o potencijalnom kastingu za Crvenu Sonju? Pošto mi se čini da su Miley Curys i Hilary Duff ipak premlade, predlažem Sandru Bullock, sa prirodnom bojom kose, naravno. Ili, Renee Zellweger; ona je baš zlopogleđa.
Jesi li ti normalan? Pa u skladu sa novim PC trendovima očigledno je da RED Sonja mora da bude crnkinja, dakle BEYONCE!!!11
QuoteConan The Surfarian!
:!:
Kada smo kod Milijusa, je li neko primetio ovo:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Dawn_%282010_film%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Dawn_%282010_film%29)
?!
Uh, kako li smetnuh s uma politički najkorektniju boju Sonjine kožice?! :oops: Aminujem Red Beyonce kao buduću Sonju. Štaviše, evo i predloga za ulogu njene mame, pošto bi se i Sonjina filmska priča mogla rastegnuti na period od malih nogu, do velikih grudi: Vupi Goldberg. Inače, ovo je iz mene prozborio mazohista, pošto me je Goldbergova oduvek i u svakom izdanju veoma iritirala.
Glede "Red Dawn": Nebuloza nikad dosta. Originalni "Red Dawn" je, nenamerno, bio gotovo u retro fazonu, jer se hladni rat bližio kraju, a Rusi počeli da zaostaju za Amerima. S druge strane, ova nova zora sviće malo prerano, pošto je tržišni rat između Kineza i Amera, ili Kineza i ostatka sveta, još na nivou pograničnih čarki. Rekao bih da ga to više kvalifikuje kao sf, nego što je bio slučaj sa prvim ostvarenjem.
Obratite pažnju na topik o Solomonu Kejnu.
Na kome nema ničega.
Upravo to je vrlo realna varijanta sudbine koja može da zadesi novog Konana - ne remek delo poput Milijusovog Konana, nego filmić koji neće uspeti da se izbori ni za poštenu bioskopsku distribuciju i završiće pravo na dvdu neprimećen i zaboravljen odmah po startovanju.
Nadam se da ne, ali...
Quote from: Harvester on 26-01-2010, 19:29:25
Jesi li ti normalan? Pa u skladu sa novim PC trendovima očigledno je da RED Sonja mora da bude crnkinja, dakle BEYONCE!!!11
Ja, pak, mislim da je premalo kosookih u novom Konanu (mada ih je u Švarcijevim bilo, na strani pozitivaca). I zato predlažem da nova Crvena Sonja bude - Sandra Oh!
Odličan izbor! Ona je čini mi se poprilično izmiksanog porijekla, tako da bi trebalo da zadovolji pripadnike svih rasa. Slično važi i za Tifani Limos.
Posle Havajca Konana i Crnogorca Kapičića u ulozi njegovog ortaka,Konanova devojka Tamara mora biti crnkinja ili barem Kineskinja.
Konanovi fanovi na REH forumu su zgroženi,nije ih ubedio čak ni gornji fotošop;Džejsonovo prezime su prekrstili u Homoa a neki majstor je napisao "kako se Džejson ne plaši da se šeta bez telohranitelja po ulici,neko će ga prebiti zbog uvrede lika i dela Konana Simerijanca". :)
Quote from: Last Man Standing on 26-01-2010, 19:12:43
A, šta mislite o potencijalnom kastingu za Crvenu Sonju? Pošto mi se čini da su Miley Curys i Hilary Duff ipak premlade, predlažem Sandru Bullock, sa prirodnom bojom kose, naravno. Ili, Renee Zellweger; ona je baš zlopogleđa.
Bavili smo se time na Forumu ali je samo Kuncu palo na pamet ko će dobiti tu ulogu.
Mi ostali smo se naivno nadali ipak nekoj kosmičkoj pravdi u vidu Kristane Loken,Džesike Bil ili bar Megan Fox u gvozdenom bikiniju ali je do uloge direktno preko kreveta došla Ruža Mcgowan.
http://www.znaksagite.com/diskusije/index.php?topic=4228.0 (http://www.znaksagite.com/diskusije/index.php?topic=4228.0)
Početak snimanja ovog filma je prvobitno odložen zbog povrede koje je Ruža zadobila u mačevanju u toku priprema za akcione scene-čak su morali da joj hirurški odstrane deo lakta, a sada se čeka kako će proći Konan i Solomon Kejn jer izgleda da od toga zavisi da li će film uopšte raditi.
Ekstremisto, ajd šibni link za taj REH forum.
http://www.conan.com/invboard/index.php (http://www.conan.com/invboard/index.php)
QuoteMomoa? Uneblievable, where do you even start...... Hawaii as Cimmeria..not even close....size and build....nope...hair and looks...nope...Celtic / Gaelic type...nope.... might as well put in Danny de vito
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Izvinjavam se zbog neobaveštenosti u pogledu Red Rose. Izbor glumice mi se i ne čini toliko lošim, valjda zato što sam, poučen primerom Momoa Simerijanca očekivao ultimate miscast.
Sad, ako producentskom palicom vitla Rodriguez, a ženica mu mačem, valjda bi mogli da izguraju projekat nezavisno od uspeha/neuspeha Konana & Solomona? U eri CGI vratolomija Angeline Jolie, Mille Jovovich, Charlize Theron, Kristanne Loken i sl., Holivudu ne bi bila naodmet još jedna
akciona heroina. Uspe li prvi deo, eto nama i franšize.
Naravno, Holivuđani nikako da se dosete kako ne bi bilo loše uraditi Sonju onako kako ju je Howard zamislio, a ne rimejkovati Fleischer-ovu i De Laurentiis-ovu verziju iz '85-e. Baš kao i slučaju Spielbergovog "Rata svetova", koji je, pored ostalog, protraćio mogućnost da ekranizuje Wells-ov "The War of the Worlds", umesto što je ujedno snimio rimejk istoimenog filma iz '53-e i rimejk "Independance Day". Meni bi bilo mnogo zanimljivija radnja koja bi se dešavala na prelazu 19-og u 20-i vek, makar morala biti preseljena iz UK u USA, kao u "Time Machine" iz 2002-e. Na stranu vernost izvorniku.
"Avatar" villain Stephen Lang has been offered a similar gig as Khalar Singh, the main antagonist in the upcoming reboot/relaunch of the "Conan" franchise for Millenium Films says Latino Review.
The character is described as a "warlord and formidable warrior" who has won many campaigns. He has been building an empire in an effort to find the Queen of Acheron, a being whose blood he can use to control a demon army to protect his weak son and his legacy from a master sorcerer.
Singh is also responsible for the slaughter of a Cimmerian village of which Conan himself is the only survivor. Singh is nearing completion of his quest when a now adult-Conan seeks vengeance against the despot.
Rachel Nichols ("G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra," TV's "Alias") will play the love interest Tamara in director Marcus Nispel's "Conan" at Lionsgate says Latino Review.
The character is a novitiate at a Greek influenced monastery and serves as the Queen’s servant, bodyguard and best friend. When Tamara is separated from the Queen, the martial arts-trained young protector finds herself teaming with Conan (Jason Momoa) to track down the evil Khalar Singh (Stephen Lang) before he kills the Queen and becomes immortal.
Mickey Rourke, Bob Sapp and Leo Howard also star in the film which is to begin shooting shortly.
First up Rose McGowan will play an evil half-human/half-witch in Marcus Nispel's "Conan" for Nu Image/Millennium Films says Empire Online. Shooting kicked off this week in Bulgaria.
ja obozavam Konana...
ali Jason Momoa nije glumac, ljudiiiii... obican pozer za teen serije...
Pa ni Svarci nije bio glumac vec.... obican pozer, kad bolje razmislim.
da ali je imao sa cime da pozira....
Your kung fu is better than mine xjap
Be like water my friend....
An offer is out to Megan Fox to star as the titular in "Red Sonja" in the upcoming film adaptation of the fantasy property by Millennium Films reports Pajiba.
Previously Rose McGowan had been linked to the role of the young woman who becomes an unbeatable warrior, while Robert Rodriguez would produce. Rodriguez himself last month said financing issues and the success of the upcoming "Conan" movie would determine whether the project would get made.
Now Pajiba's source claims the previous incarnation of the project had been scrapped and Douglas Aarniokoski is out as director with writers being sought to deliver new drafts of David N. White's script.
http://www.znaksagite.com/diskusije/index.php?topic=4228.0 (http://www.znaksagite.com/diskusije/index.php?topic=4228.0)
Navodno su predstavnici Megan Fox demantovali da joj je ta uloga ponuđena,ali jedino je izvesno da je Ruža otpala iz projekta zbog Konana.Na Tviteru je napisala da je morala da bira pa se ipak odlučila za Konana što pozdravljam. xyxy
Sad će valjda da nađu pravu Red Sonju.
Here is a pic of Jason right before they started filming...
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Kompletiran je cast za ženske likove
Konanova keva Laila Rouass
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Konanova riba Tamara Rachel Nichols
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Veštica-Gissela Marengo
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Njena ćera Marique-Rose Mc Gowan
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Mali Konan-Leo Howard
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I za kraj pogled na lokaciju na kojoj uveliko traje snimanje.
Rila & Pirin Mountains Bulgaria (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmEfrczx3-M#)
Rachel Nichols po konstituciji i faci više "vuče" na Oliviu D'Abo, nego Sandahl Bergman, ili Grace Jones.
Konanova keva mi deluje kao očajna domaćica.
Da nije Mickey Rourke, možda, odveć urban da bi se uklopio u Hyborian age i okruženje?
Ali, svi su oni divni, kakvi se samo poželeti mogu za uloge koje će tumačiti, spram Jasona Momoe. Zašto u Bugarsku ne bane Steven Spielberg, koji će mu ponuditi basnoslovnu svotu da zaigra u njegovom rimejku "Gradjanina Kejna", James Cameron sa ugovorom za "Titanik II, III i IV", ili Aleksandar Tijanić, sa adutima u vidu najnovijih scenarija Siniše Pavića i Radoša Bajića?
Pored onakve keve riba je suvišna :twisted:
Od viška ne boli glava...
Kad već nemaju pravog Konana i scenario,producenti i Nispel posegli za adutom koji ne mož da omane-frontal nudity. :shock:
Ja tipujem na Rachel ali kakve smo zle sreće sa ovim projektom možda nam zapadne i Bob Sap ili neki dlakavi Bugarin jer u ovom tekstu ne piše jel u pitanju muško ili žensko.
Patrice Louinet speaks about the new Conan movie
A few days ago, the Robert E. Howard scholar Patrice Louinet got to speak with Fredrik Malmberg, Paradox Entertainment CEO and Conan producer. He was also shown a large number of pics taken from the movie. He gladly accepted to answer some Fantasy.fr questions.
Fantasy.fr: Patrice, what can you unveil about the set, the scenery, the costumes you saw on those pictures ?
Patrice Louinet: You have to understand that there is a lot I am not at liberty to divulge, but among other things I was quite impressed by an oriental scene that had very vivid colors. I got to see several scenes set in Cimmeria and all showed a snow-covered country. When I mentioned to Fredrik that Howard's Cimmeria was supposed to be an overcast, greyish hill country, he was quick to assure me there are "tons of bleak, grey, rainy Cimmerian shots" in the movie, or words to that effect. Just my luck, I only got to see the snow-covered ones! Otherwise, the costumes are very realistic, they don't look cheap of kitsch.
Fantasy.fr: Did you feel through these pictures that Howard's masterpiece was shown the respect it was due?
Patrice Louinet: I have to say that some of the things I saw were positive : Momoa's Conan seems to me a lot like Howard's, but I have already said that. Here again, I am only commenting on his looks, I don't know anything as to his acting capacities. And while I am at it, the only CGI on Momoa will be to change the color of his eyes. I am also happy to report there won't be any « Wheel of Pain », as in Milius' movie! From what I saw, you can also expect some frontal nudity. One huge Bulgarian guy playing one of the baddies seems to come right out of a Turanian den.
Fredrik Malmberg told me that Ron Perlman was a longtime fan, who had Leo Howard – who plays young Conan – read the stories. Seems almost everyone is reading Howard on the set. Even Stephen Lang! Malmberg also told me he did insist (and won his case) that Conan's name should be stressed on the first syllable, the way Howard did, and not like the usual American Co-NAN.By the way, Momoa seems quite taken with his role. I remember a pic taken at lunch time where everybody's eating but him: he's training with his sword. It's of course good news, but how – or even if – that will show on the screen remains to be seen. This being said, I won't delude myself into thinking this movie is going to be faithful to Howard, not by a long shot. I greatly fear to discover what's in the final script.
Fantasy.fr: Can you confirm we will be seeing official pics for the Comic-Con?
Patrice Louinet: I can do better than that. Your article caused quite a buzz and it seems the producers have decided to show official pictures well before July's end.
Fantasy.fr: You spoke about Milius' Conan. Basil Poledouris Music stays one of the movie big points. Do you have some tid bits about the soundtrack for the new one?
Patrice Louinet: I can tell only tell you that it won't be rock music (as in "300" or "Clash of the Titans".) It won't be a Poledouris 2 either.
Fantasy.fr: When is the official filming scheduled to end?
Patrice Louinet: Should be the first week of June.
Fantasy.fr: You happen to have a date for an actual release?
Patrice Louinet: Autumn 2011 is the date.
Fantasy.fr: Anything else to say ?
Patrice Louinet: It will be a little under 2 hours long.
QuoteI am also happy to report there won't be any « Wheel of Pain », as in Milius' movie!
Nema Konana bez dolapa!
Alina Puscau, Romanian-born supermodel play a love scene in the movie "Conan the Barbarian"
"There will be two stages, which will shoot in Sofia, Varna, respectively. I am leaving tomorrow and get back to Bulgaria on May 1 for a week or two and then I still go back to Bulgaria in May to shoot a scene or two. Every woman is beautiful in this movie. I've received recently, another proposal for the next movie," Red Sonia ", but that's all I can say now. May I have a movie that will be the end, but can not talk about it any more. "
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Kao što se na ovoj strani vidi,Nispelov Konan će biti vredan gledanja jedino zbog bogatog akvarijuma.
Nekim zadrtim fanovima međutim ni to nije dovoljno pa se žale da Rejčel i Alina nisu dovoljno mesnate po Hauardovim standardima.
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I know it's complaining on a high niveau, but Howard's Conan had a much different taste in women. He would have literally thrown these women in the movie a big chunk of meat and have them grow up, before he would bed them. I know it's modern to have super skinny, small breasted, tight hipped women in movies these days, but I JUST don't agree with doing that for a Conan movie. Somehow it's like every tiny aspect of this movie is trying to be the opposite of what Howard's words described, down to the selection of women
Waldgeist
Po prvi put otkad je izabran glavni glumac,oglasio se i glavni producent i vlasnik prava na Konana,Fredrik Malmberg koji uverava zabrinute fanove da nemaju razloga za brigu jer su u filmu kompromisi retki ali neophodni samo zato da bi se obezbedio nastavak a on će biti u potpunosti veran izvornoj REHovoj verziji Konana.
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Trust me Wald, there are women for all tastes, including chubby-chasers
I am on set as I write this and I would like to tell you much more about everything that is happening. Please understand that we are in a time of "curfew" about almost everything. Story, performances, sets, reveals, rumours, everything is kind of in a critical state until we have wrapped filming. That is standard operating procedure, and nothing that can be undone. The Unit publicist and I are both eager to release costume photos, set design, environment and props shots but this, like for all other movies, represents a HUGE investment for the studio and therefore we must abide by the rules no matter what we, or you think. Trust me that I and others are working hard on getting information out sooner rather than later. Red tape is red tape.
I CAN tell you that we have shot amazing scenes, have fantastic sets and locations, that I personally feel we have a great cast who are all super-dedicated and ...of course I am biased. I will gradually give you more info, and I do read these boards but hope and trust you respect the fact that at this point I am as gagged as everyone else. Well, there will always be those of you scrutinizing every word I write or say but maybe some of you credit me with higher level of cunning and scheming than I can actually live up to...
As head of Paradox my goal is of course to ensure the maximum exposure for our character as possible. That is good for the future, right? I can say to the skeptics out there (as I have always) that it means an R-rated movie, as grounded in reality as possible, and that the goal for me is to get the character of Conan as close to the original as possible. At this budget we need to bring in many more than the current fans to the theatres but to go beyond PG13 land is a major achievement. At the same time, I think we can create some "movie magic" moments! Succeeding in that means peope will leave theatres wanting more, hopefully pick up a book, maybe read a comic, start discovering the world of REH..get the word of outh going and...we can make a sequel. With enough support, we may even convince the studios that there are enough fans to make a difference! I know there are.
I hope to be back with more solid news before long. Until then - remaining yours truly - /F
Fredrikmalmberg
Ne,ovo nije fotka sa pijace belog roblja šiptarske mafije,već snimak sa seta Konana iz Bugarske. :P
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Ima još fotki,ali ostale ću postovati kasnije kad se povratite od ovoga što ste videli.
Quote from: SIMERIJANAC on 03-05-2010, 03:10:02Ima još fotki,ali ostale ću postovati kasnije kad se povratite od ovoga što ste videli.
ja sam već povratio.
Vala bas, ako je suditi po slici ne obecava puno
Džejson se solidno napucao pre snimanja.
Za ožiljak iznad oka nije zaslužan šminker niti žena mu Lisa Bonet već ga je zaradio u kafanskoj tuči.
http://www.tmz.com/videos?autoplay=true&mediaKey=903da0fc-bbee-4810-93e4-43dfff0a421e (http://www.tmz.com/videos?autoplay=true&mediaKey=903da0fc-bbee-4810-93e4-43dfff0a421e)
Ovaj Nispel je prso skroz.Pa njegov Konan izgleda kao Indijanac koji je zalutao u doba kralja Artura. :shock:
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Quote from: Ghoul on 25-01-2010, 19:01:52
petar čelični bi svakako bio značajan napredak u poređenju s ovim manekenima.
Sad sam skontao i saznao...Petar Celicni je na boljem mestu od 14 Aprila ove godine....
zato nije izabran....
Slava mu......
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Moram da priznam da Džejson nije ispao tako loš Konan kao što sam se plašio.Jedine ozbiljne zamerke idu na kosu(mora da bude ravna i crna),izostanak ožiljaka po telu i ovu suknjicu oko pasa, ali pretpostavljam da je to urađeno da bi se sakrile njegove tanke noge.
Džejson se sasvim solidno napucao a na filmu će to sigurno izgledati još impresivnije.
Pozitivno iznenađenje je i to na koji način je usnimljen ovaj kadar iznad jer izgleda kao kvadrat isečen iz nekog Konanovog stripa.
Čekamo da procuri još amaterskih slika jer producentima još uvek ne pada na pamet da objave zvanične fotke.
Ovako nekako je mogao izgledati novi Konan u izvedbi Warner Bros-a. Ovo je fotografija pravog coveka obradjena u Fotosopu, koji nosi gumenu protezu (masku) preko lica. Ovo su, inace, bili probni mejk-ap snimci za WB.
http://chud.com/articles/articles/23767/1/THE-CONAN-THAT-COULD-HAVE-BEEN/Page1.html (http://chud.com/articles/articles/23767/1/THE-CONAN-THAT-COULD-HAVE-BEEN/Page1.html)
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Konan sa Valerijom (Katarzyna Wolejnio).
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Jel to reklamira pastu za zube?
Taj trend je poceo jos sa 300... tamo su prikazivali i plombe
Šta mu je sa čelom? Izgleda kao da je izašao sa seta neke Star Trek epizode... :/
Mr Momoa, you hаve been here for 2 months now, how do you feel in Bulgaria?
-Everyone is super-nice and friendly and I feel very safe. Sofia (the capital of Bulgaria) is an unique city. It offers many things that America can't. I had the pleasure to feel 3 seasons for this short time - snowy winter, spring and a few days ago summer. It is wonderful to be in a foreign country and see how all this happens. I found all the graffiti on the walls a bit an unpleasant surprise. I am not a fan of street art. Nowadays in America so many graffiti can't be seen. But at the same time it makes me feel like in a movie set.
How did you prepare physically for the role?
-I spent a lot of time lifting weights and sword-fighting. Every day I practiced sword-fighting for 2 hours, then another 2 hours lifting weights. And stretching after that. I spent 6 hours a day training with the stunt team "87eleven". these guys put me in the shape I am in now.
Do you do martial arts?
-I had never done it before. While working on 'Stargate:Atlantis' I had to use a sword but the guys from '87eleven' are incredible. They taught me to use a boken - a training samurai sword made of wood, which was something completely new to me. It is exciting but afterall ut is just a film fight.
Did you have to gain weight for the role?
-Yes, from the very begining of preparation I had to be 110kg - the heaviest I have ever been. And now I am back to mu usual 102 kg. It was very difficult to work out and constantly keep the musculature.
What makes your Conan different?
-Well I am playing him! And I am different compared to any other Conan in the world! I am different because I am a savage and I come from a line of savages (laughs).
Did you get into the character's psychology, did you find what motivates him?
-I read REH a lot. I loved the comic books when I was a kid. I haven't seen the movies though, but when I got the part I started reading Robert Howard's stories furiously. they fill my imagination. They were a good guide for me. Everything that I needed for this character could be found there and I felt a connection with him.
You used to be a successful model, do you think that cinema us the logical continuation of your career?
- This is my first big movie and I am very excited to see what happens next. I got the part thanks to a tv series for HBO that will be released soon. It is interesting that I play Chingiz Khan, and now Conan - 2 absolutely insane characters. I would love to see who will kick the other one's ass in a fight.
Did you have any doubts before accepting the role?
- Yes, I did because the script wasn't finished. But when I met the director, he ensured me that the script will be fantastic and then again I really wanted to play Conan. She is an incredible character!
What is your opinion of the work of the other very famous man, also born in Honolulu? You must know whom I am an talking about?
-I love Obama, and I heard that Obama also loves Conan.
Do you like night life? What do you think about it here in Bulgaria?
-I really love the Italian restaurants in Sofia. Actually my family is now waiting for me in one. I also visited a few night clubs but I do now like chaos music, I prefer relaxing with blues. So I love the food the most. With the crew we often visit Mexican restaurants, because we are all from California and we miss burritos, tequila and margarita.
Who is your idol in Cinema?
- I do not have any idols in cinema, but I have another and he is the musician Tom Waits.
Do you like "New Boyana" and working with the "New image" crew?
-The studio 'New Boyana' is fantastic! Incredible grounds and a lot of incredible people. Bulgarians treat me very well, right Sophie? (he turns to the make-up lady who is taking off loads of 'cuts' from the body of Conan). Yes, everyone here is fantastic. Bulgarian stuntmen are incredible. I love 'New Boyana'.
Marcus Nispell
You have said that shooting Conan is a childhood dream. How do you feel now having fulfilled your childhood dream?
-When I was a kid, films came to theaters years after the premieres in America. I am from germany and there we had to wait half a year or si for StarWars or Conan. But we listened to the soundtracks, saw the action heroes and knew about the movies. So we imagined them before actually seeing them. So I basically created the movie in my head. Now everyone keeps asking me if I am doing a remake. And i reply that this movie is the movie I imagined seeing when I was a child. And I am shooting it the way I saw it in my head,not in the way it actually was.
Did you like shooting in Bulgaria?
-When I first hear that the movie will be made in bulgaria I wanted to come and see the country. I found out that they managed to make Bulgaria look like New York or LA for the "Black Dahlia". But this place is very appropriate for Conan. You don' have to beuild sets here - we have everything we need. We were in near Varna in Pobitite Kamani (http://en.wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia)....i/Pobiti_Kamani), in the caves near Kaliakra. And that is much better than special effects. Konan is an action hero based in reality, he is not from another planet, he is on Earth - just like Tarzan. This is why I didn't want to paint or build something that I can find for real. Middle ages are still alive in Bulgaria and this is Medieval history (?!WTH).
What do you think about Bulgarian actors?
- When I first came here I was dubious. I had no idea that I would find so many good actors, who have worked on many intertnational productions. The 1st day I took a walk and just watched poeple and said to myself - 'This guy, he would be amazing for the movie, and this one too.'
And then I had 4 teams of poeple I wanted to work with. They all just looked great and they all had fantasic physique and structure. And I can work with them perfectly because they speak English very well. This didn't seem to matter when Arnold was Conan, but our Conan has more to say and this is why we wanted someone with good English. We searched for a Conan everywhere - In Russia, Iran, Iraq, Germany, Norway, Sweden and finally we found our man and he lives just 20 minutes away from where I live.
And how is this Conan movie different from the previous movies?
-The previous ones have the same name - 'Conan'. But we won't be making the same film. We are going back to the source books. These books have inspired hundreds of graphic novels, loads of video games and a film that was made in the age of disco, when special effects meant a great deal. We decided to make this movie more real, with less special effects but with stunts. This is why everyone on the team does martial arts. Even the actor who plays young Conan. I think that this is something new nowadays when there are so many video games, special effects and we are making a film that is closer to an authentic experience.
What will the soundtrack be? Have you though about Bulgarian input?
-Strange, the person I am thinking about, whose music we fell in love with. he plays this instrument - gaida (something like a bagpipe)And we like him a lot. The Conan Universe - Hiboria is perhaps very close to the size of Bulgaria because when you pass through it you can see africans, arabs, asians - it is like a mini-universe. So the music will change with the movement of the characters from one place to another. But I decided that the village Conan is from will be like Bulgaria.
How do you explain yourself the trend of remakes of movies from the 80ties? 'Clash of the titans' was released recently and so has your 'Friday1'.
-Because we already remade everything from the 70ties and we need to continue forward.
And what do you think about 3d cinema? is it taking over the world?
You know, I was a bit suspicious at the beginning. But I like it, the technology has improved. Now you can shoot in 2D and make it 3D in post-production. You can decide how three-dimentional you want it to be and if necessary go back - it is all insane. But the magnificence of 3D is that it makes poeple go out to the cinemas, and not watch pirated copies. They are coming back to cinemas.
You have experience in horror films. Will we see elements of that in Conan?
-Conan is definitely a film for adults. There is sex, violence and loads of action. He is a barbarian and everything will be a lot of fun. But there is nothing sadistic.
Did you like filming in Bulgaria and will you shoot another movie here?
-I really liked Bulgaria and my team. I didn't see a Bulgarian loosing his temper. I met a lot of good poeple and talented. When I brought my wife and kids, I had no idea how they would react. After a week my wife said: I love Bulgaria because I love Bulgarians. They are real.
Would you shoot a historical film about Bulgaria?
-I would be glad to make such a film, because 20 years ofter no one would be remaking it. It is time for something original, right?
Actually I am considering a film project, that will probably come here. It is about WW2 and out common past (Germany and Bulgaria) and it will be very interesting
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Lepo je ovo. Šareno.
Ovi shotovi iz filma izgledaju kao neki fantasy wallpaperi preterano obradjeni u photoshopu. Film ce provereno biti sranje.
Zgađeni Milijusovim svetogrđem i najavljenim najnovijim holivudskim skrnavljenjem omiljenog im Simerijanca u Nispelovoj režiji ,Konanovi fanovi su rešili da uzmu stvar u svoje ruke i da sami snime film o svom idolu,baš onako kako treba da izgleda.
U film će biti pretočena čuvena Hauardova priča The Frost-Giant's Daughter.
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Početak snimanja je zakazan za 23. januar u planinama Sijera Nevade, a budžet je 5000 dolara.
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Već su našli i glavnog glumca koji izgleda bolje i od Džejsona i od svih ostalih koji su bili u ozbiljnim kombinacijama za ovu ulogu.
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Jedini problem je što tih 5000 dolara još uvek nemaju, već početak snimanja zavisi isklučivo od toga da li će potrebnu sumu uspeti da prikupe do kraja januara.
U tu svrhu je otvoren poziv za donatore a u zavisnosti od visine donacije možete da dobijete poster filma(minimalna uplata od 25 dolara),da vam se specijalno zahvale na špici(250$) ili da budete specijalni gost na premijeri(uplate od 1000$ i više).
Za sad su sakupili samo 400 dolara, a s obzirom na to da su autori najavili super hot glumicu u ulozi nimfe Atali,mislim da bi najlakše zaokružili budžet ako svako od gikova koji uplati po 50 dolara, dobije večernji izlazak sa njom. :lol:
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Više informacija na zvaničnom sajtu filma.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/guignol/robert-e-howards-the-frost-giants-daughter (http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/guignol/robert-e-howards-the-frost-giants-daughter)
Први видео са двоје главних глумаца. :)
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/guignol/robert-e-howards-the-frost-giants-daughter (http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/guignol/robert-e-howards-the-frost-giants-daughter)
E, šta ti je Holivud.Scenarista na samom setu prepravlja i dopisuje scenario a scenografi mu za nekoliko dana naprave to što je zamislio.
Ovde je link za vrlo zanimljiv intervju sa Šonom Hudom,scenaristom novog Konana.
Inače,premijera je zakazana za avgust, a trejler za april.
QuoteThis past month, I had the opportunity interview, via e-mail, screenwriter Sean Hood who was assigned to rewrite CONAN THE BARBARIAN movie script. As you know, Marcus Nispel directed the upcoming version which will be released in 3D, starring Jason Momoa as the new Cimmerian fighter.
Hood talked about why the script needed a rewrite, in what way is this version faithful to the material, how brutal will the R-rated elements be and why he thinks that fans of Robert E. Howard's, fans of old Arnold's films and those who may not know CONAN's mythology should give this movie a chance. CONAN THE BARBARIAN opens August 19th 2011. Check out the full interview, after this jump...
http://ramascreen.com/exclusive-interview-screenwriter-sean-hood-talks-about-conan-the-barbarian/ (http://ramascreen.com/exclusive-interview-screenwriter-sean-hood-talks-about-conan-the-barbarian/)
Inače,Conan fan film koji sam gore pomenuo počinje da se snima u nedelju jer su Konanovi fanovi uspeli da sakupe potrebnih 5000 dolara za snimanje.
Ovo su lokacije na kojima će se ekranizovati REH ova priča The Frost-Giant's Daughter sa muzikom
Title Test (FGD) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWQzP3z66aM#)
i test fotka sa ekipom zalljubljenika u srednjovekovno ratovanje The Vikings of Bjorns(nešto poput domaćeg Svibora) koja će se šibati u sceni bitke.
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Ovo je fotka sa probe dvoje glavnih glumaca a tu je i fotka na kojoj se Natalia Sofia koja tumači nimfu Atali, u pauzi relaksira sa Konanovim(Vil Mek Majkls) kućnim ljubimcima. :)
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Problem može da bude to što reditelj Sanlin hoće da snimi verziju koja bi mogla da se postavi na Youtube pa nastoji da outfit svoje glumice tome prilagodi,tj da umesto vela koji ona nosi u originalnoj priči i koji mnogo ne sakriva na nju navuče neku rimljansku haljinicu.
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QuoteHey guys, I need you help! We are still working on Atali's costume.
I know the text describes a gossamer wisp about her loins or some such, but we need to be Youtube ready.
Please send me your practical ideas! Thanks!
Svi fanovi originalnog Konana su zavapili:Ne Daglase,ako Kroma znaš,ne skrnavi REHa!
Quotei mean she has to be seriously sexy she is luring men to their deaths.
Da li će nas poslušati,ostaje da se vidi,ali s obzirom na mikro budžet verovatno će morati da se odluči samo za veo. :lol:
Fotke sa snimanja fan filma.
http://s227.photobucket.com/albums/dd229/dsunlin/FGD/?albumview=slideshow (http://s227.photobucket.com/albums/dd229/dsunlin/FGD/?albumview=slideshow)
Conan's philosophy of life (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROumtvl5De4#ws)
Conan The Barbarian (2011) - New Wallpaper and Theme Tune (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l93w9TVNSMw#)
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Izašao tizer.
Conan the Barbarian - Teaser Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GF7EDOefB5s#ws)
Ako je suditi po trejleru ovo ce da bude dno dna. Vrati se arni, sve ti oprastamo.
Izgleda očajno.
Kao neka trećerazredna fantasy tv serija.
Pojavio se trejler.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOkWPPHilbs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOkWPPHilbs#ws)
боље изгледа него што сам очекивао
Malo previše CGI dekora za moj ukus. Nekako su mi Ong Bak 2 i 3 iako nisu baš neki filmovi pokazali da se ova vrsta filma može snimiti a da lokacije izgledaju autentično i priželjkujem da je i Konan išao istim stopama.
Da je Zak Snajder, sve bi bilo u redu.
Quote from: Harvester on 05-05-2011, 15:48:29Da je Zak Snajder, sve bi bilo u redu.
Bilo bi nešto usporenije i jednako loše. I 300 i Pathfinder su užasni filmovi.
Odličan je 300! Zack Snyder snima samo visokokvalitetne filmove.
Rose McGowan looks scary.
Quote from: Harvester on 05-05-2011, 16:03:56
Odličan je 300! Zack Snyder snima samo visokokvalitetne filmove.
Dobar je.
Suprotno očekivanjima,Džejson neće biti glavni problem ovog filma.Ali je zato sve ostalo što se vidi u trejleru razočaravajuće.
Film vizuelno izgleda kao mešavina Princa Persije,Sudara titana i Skorpion kinga.
Ušminkana i šljašteća fotografija,CGI animacija i efekti na sve strane,eksplozije kao u nekom modernom akcionom hitu,slowmotion kadrovi kao u Matrixu,oni smešni ljudi od peska koji gađaju Džejsona nekom vrstom šurikena kao u nindža filmovima,negativci,scenografija i kostimi kao iz neke SF TV serije.
Ni Rejčel Nikols nije ostavila bogzna kakav utisak. Suviše je svilena i meka,ni s od strasti,ona jednostavno nema izgled žene iz Hiborijskog doba,teško će nas ubediti da bi pravi Konan pao na ribu poput nje.
Zvuči apsurdno, ali mane ovog filma će doneti i nešto pozitivno-pošto trejler obećava skupu i šarenu akcionu pop-corn avanturu,a gologrudi Džejson će bez sumnje privući i znatan broj gledateljki,pa će zato novi Konan će sigurno imati veliku gledanost u bioskopima što će garantovati snimanje nastavaka.
A time se povećavaju šanse da sledeći film bude mnogo bliži Hauardu i vizuelno a i po priči i da se režija poveri reditelju koji će to znati da prenese na filmsku traku kako treba.Ako angažovanje ludog Mela spada u domen teorije,dobar je i Nikolas Vinding Refn ili Nil Maršal.
U međuvremenu pojavio se tizer Konan fan filma o kome sam ovde pisao.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=bziZt9FsCD8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bziZt9FsCD8#)
Tu su i neke fotke sa snimanja.
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Natalia koja glumi nimfu Atali je na snegu bila bosa
(nije to Holivud,ništa CG,trikovi i sranja,sve je pravo),pa je reditelj
na svakih deset minuta morao da joj greje noge ispod svog pazuha. :lol:
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Inače,Vil koji glumi Konana se na snimanju previše uživeo u ulogu. :)
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Conan - The Barbarian - New TV SPOT 2011 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtaSyTNIFj0#ws)
Conan the Barbarian Red Band Trailer
www.youtube.com/watch?v=afKRndn5FKk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afKRndn5FKk#ws)
Jebeš Konana, daj Nimfu ;)
A ja mislio da su varvari sa severa zapravo neki miroljubiv narod...
Muzika u trejleru jasno govori koja je ciljna grupa.
Quote from: Petronije on 17-06-2011, 22:47:39Muzika u trejleru jasno govori koja je ciljna grupa.
I meni je to prvo palo na pamet. :(
Ma metalci su u svakom slučaju ciljna grupa za film o Konanu,ali ovaj grozni metal iz trejlera srećom neće biti korišćen u filmu.
Skor je radio Tyler Bates(300,Watchmen,Dawn of the Dead),ali šta god da napravi džaba mu posle Bazila.
Ono što je zanimljivo jeste najava korišćenja bugarske tradicionalne muzike u filmu. :)
Konanche bugarche :)
Zvanični poster filma,nekoliko fotki i trejler u kojem po prvi put vidimo malog Konana (Leo Hauard).
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Samo da nije CGIja.
Čim sam čuo da je Tyler Bates :cry: radio muziku spustio sam očekivanja na nulu. Još me zanima iz nostalgičnih razloga, pa mogu samo pozitivno da se iznenadim.
Pa dobro, čovek napreduje čim ovaj put potpisuje da uzima bugarsko-balkanski melos za razliku od skora u 300, da ne zalazimo sad u Tita Andronika (mada i to može da se pomene s obzirom da se Nispel očigledno izdašno koristio rimskim škartovima kada je oblačio statiste).
Na Youtube-u, u komentarima ispod trejlera za Konana, neki lik kaže kako je pročitao sve priče i kako je Švarceneger jedini pravi Konan i uvek će to biti. Alo?!!!? Šta je sa ovim fanovima? :x Konana ne čini obim bicepsa - svako ko je čitao Howarda trebalo bi da zna da se u njegovom svetu pojavljuju ljudski likovi opisani kao mišićaviji od Konana. Gde su njegove vatrene plave oči koje su uplašile toliko muškaraca i opčinile toliko žena, a koje Howard opisuje maltene na svakoj stranici? Gde su njegova mačja spretnost i prirodna inteligencija (nasuprot čisto tupavom izrazu lica kod Švarcenegera)? Momoa ima ponešto od tih kvaliteta.
pogotovo ima te vatrene plave oči koje od silne vatre vuku na braon... :mrgreen:
Te celicno plave oci, kao gleceri jezera Micigen.
Quote from: Third Eye on 18-07-2011, 14:09:13
pogotovo ima te vatrene plave oči koje od silne vatre vuku na braon... :mrgreen:
Kao da se to ne može srediti. Bitnije je da ima harizmatičan pogled, ako je uloga kala Droga ikakva indikacija.
sad je već kasno. :) Ništa od plavookog Conana. :D
Први инсерт из филма.
CONAN THE BARBARIAN - When Blood Is Spilled (Red Band Clip) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXniszN2SWQ#ws)
Simerijanski Rapa Nui :)
Ali brda, šume prekrivene snegom gde i meštani idu debelo zabundani, bivaju napadnute od strane polugolih Irokeza.
A nikom ne izlazi para iz usta.
Irokezi su u stvari Pikti i po izgledu su verni Hauardovim opisima jer ih je on video otprilike kao Indijance severa Amerike i čak postoje i neke stare ilustracije Konanovih novela gde su Pikti upravo tako prikazani.
Ali bez obzira na to,meni je doslednost izvoru od strane ekipe filma u ovom slučaju -velika greška.Ne samo zato što će većina ljudi reagovati u stilu:"Šta je ovo,Konan se bori protiv Indijanaca",već zato što ovi Pikti ne izgledaju dovoljno grozno.
Da bi bili dovoljno strašni i autentični,Pikti treba da izgledaju onako kako su prikazani u Konanovim stripovima(najbolji primer epizoda Beyond the black river Tony de Zunige)-mali,crni,ružni divljaci koji najviše podsećaju na praistorijske ljude. Ili još bolje poređenje-onako kako izgledaju ljudožderi iz filma 13.ratnik.
Mali Leo Hauard je do sada jedina svetla tačka ovog filma-on jeste Konan.
Nažalost,ostalo što vidimo u insertu ne uliva optimizam:
Meni je bilo veliko razočaranje kada sam čuo da je majmunoliki Perlman izabran za Konanovog ćaleta,ali nisam očekivao da će Nispel insistirati da ga još dodatno poružne i pretvore u neandertalca.
Još veće skrnavljenje je što Bugari igraju Simerijance.
Umesto da Simerijanci budu ogromni dugokosi Arijevci iz Busceminih stripova koji najviše podsećaju na Vikinge ili Slovene,autori filma su se odlučili na jeftiniju i seljačkiju varijantu iz strip serijala Born on the battlefield gde oni više podsećaju na neko azijsko nomadsko pleme a u filmskoj varijanti sa Bugarima-na ganjcije.
Scena borbe je kao iz nekog dečjeg kung- fu filma ili crtaća.
Kao prvo,Konan je prikazan kao idiot koji bezglavo juri u susret smrti.Ignoriše upozorenje oca zbog pobede u trci iako su pred njim četiri odrasla piktska ratnika.
Na osnovu čega on smatra da može da ih savlada?
A ako je tako lako srediti ih,zašto svi ostali klinci zbrišu kad ih vide.
Mali Konan ih skenja po sistemu deset malih crnaca,rve se sa odraslim ljudima i baca ih po snegu kao da su deca,jednom od njih razbije glavu o sneg,drugog šutne u kung fu stilu a trećeg nabije u drvo kao u vestern tuči u salunu.
Mislim,jasno je meni da je reditelj ovom scenom odmah hteo da nam objasni ko je i šta je Konan,ali to je trebalo da izgleda uverljivo, a ne kao crtać.
I zašto se simerijanske žene koje učestvuju u bitkama zajedno sa muškarcima zgražavaju kad mali Konan donese odsečene glave Pikta?
Quote from: SIMERIJANAC on 20-07-2011, 18:08:55
I zašto se simerijanske žene koje učestvuju u bitkama zajedno sa muškarcima zgražavaju kad mali Konan donese odsečene glave Pikta?
Ženska posla.
Quote from: SIMERIJANAC on 20-07-2011, 18:08:55
Još veće skrnavljenje je što Bugari igraju Simerijance.
Umesto da Simerijanci budu ogromni dugokosi Arijevci iz Busceminih stripova koji najviše podsećaju na Vikinge ili Slovene,autori filma su se odlučili na jeftiniju i seljačkiju varijantu iz strip serijala Born on the battlefield gde oni više podsećaju na neko azijsko nomadsko pleme a u filmskoj varijanti sa Bugarima-na ganjcije.
Dok se sa drugim što si rekao uglavnom slažem (osim da Pikti trebaju da budu "tamni", sem ako nisi mislio na tamnu kosu, a ne kožu), po meni Buscemina interpretacija isto toliko zastranjuje u odnosu na Howarda. Simerijanci su idealizovani Kelti, ne Germani, ne Sloveni. Njihova imena su keltska, njihovi bogovi su keltski. Ne mogu da se setim da je kod Howarda opisan neki drugi pripadnik tog naroda, osim Konana, pa su priče o njihovom izgledu malo apstraktne, ali Howardova namera se ne može osporiti.
Sad, ne treba se uvek držati predloška kao pijan plota, ali u ovom slučaju bih stao na Howardovu stranu - prvo, iz poštovanja, drugo, jer bi to skrenulo od postojećih trendova "germanizacije" Simerijanaca i možda odvelo film u zanimljivije i manje stereotipne vode.
Ne nedostaju mi plave kose u Simerijanaca ali mi nedostaju koplja kod Pikta. Valjalo bi se rukovoditi Frazetinom slikom, gde ratnici izvitoperenih lobanja nadiru preko crvene humke držeći dugokose glave neprijatelja pobodene na koplja. Koplja! Pikti moraju da imaju koplja. Ta i omiljenom Piktu Kralja Kula je to bila glavna i titula i karakterna crta.
Quote from: ridiculus on 20-07-2011, 20:08:02
Dok se sa drugim što si rekao uglavnom slažem (osim da Pikti trebaju da budu "tamni", sem ako nisi mislio na tamnu kosu, a ne kožu), po meni Buscemina interpretacija isto toliko zastranjuje u odnosu na Howarda. Simerijanci su idealizovani Kelti, ne Germani, ne Sloveni. Njihova imena su keltska, njihovi bogovi su keltski. Ne mogu da se setim da je kod Howarda opisan neki drugi pripadnik tog naroda, osim Konana, pa su priče o njihovom izgledu malo apstraktne, ali Howardova namera se ne može osporiti.
Baš zato što su apstraktne treba ih na filmu prikazati onako kako je atraktivnije.
U Busceminim stripovima oni izgledaju moćno i natčovečanski dok kod Nispela koji je njihov izgled bazirao na Nordovim stripovima izgledaju prilično jadno i ciganski.
Ne znam, meni je čudno kako ekipa filma pravi greške čak i kada pokušava da se drži originala(kao u slučaju Pikta recimo),a sa druge strane pravi stravična odstupanja koja jednostavno ne mogu da se tolerišu niti opravdaju kao što je recimo to da Konan u filmu neće imati plave oči.
Možda ova ekipa Pikta nema koplja jer mora da ih zasluži donošenjem nekih Simerijanskih glava?
@SIMERIJANAC
Kada si već spomenuo Beyond the Black River... Više bih voleo da su napravili neku adaptaciju te epizode (ili neke druge iz kasnijeg perioda), iako sam svestan da to ne bi bio blokbaster. People of the Black Circle mi je omiljena, ali sadrži previše fantastike - nisam siguran da bi ispala kako treba. Zašto ne The Hour of the Dragon? Može i A Witch Shall Be Born - ima tu materijala da se napravi čitav film uz nešto domišljatosti. Umesto toga, svako želi da izmisli točak iznova.
Tome su se svi fanovi i nadali - da se od par originalnih Hauardovih priča uradi adaptacija za film. Sve njegove priče su filmične i samo je trebalo napraviti pravu kombinaciju.Mogla se raditi i adaptacija Marvelovih stripova(meni su za film stvorene Kćeri Ranove,Crveni zamak,Erlikova ruka..),bilo šta osim ove idiotske izmišljotine o Konanovoj osveti zbog ubistva oca.
Nažalost,producenti nisu imali poverenja u izvorni materijal nego su išli na ziherašku Scorpion king varijantu sa nekoliko poznatih glumaca ne bi li zaradili pare od klinaca koji gledaju Transformerse i Princa Persije.
Sve ipak zavisi od Džejsona-ako uspe da nas ubedi da je bar 70% Konan,možda ima nade da se u nastavcima neki reditelj zajebe i najzad snimi Konana kakvog svi pravi fanovi žele da vide.
Nije Konan Lesli Eldridž :)
Прва филмска критика новог Конана
I have seen the new "Conan the Barbarian". And it is an awful mess of a movie.
There is no explanation for anything that happens. Things just come with no rhyme or reason. There is no sense of pacing or emotional depth. The videoclip style made it impossible to get a handle on what's going on. The inconsistencies range from contradicting Howard, to contradicting their own damn tale. Plot holes threaten to engulf the entire film – characters just disappear, Chekhov's guns are left on the mantelpiece, dialogue is disjointed with no logical flow.
I blame Marcus Nispel for the whole debacle. I am pretty sure he destroyed this movie with bad ideas, no direction for the actors, and a poor choice of shots. I blame the producers too, of course, because they don't put enough money, time or effort into this flick.
I am not a great fan of Arnold or John Millius, but I must admit that the 1982 movie was really good. It doesn't have much dialogue, but some of the lines are truly poetic, and the characters say more with the eyes than many others with a thousand of words.
I am not a Howard purist either. I have read the original stories once and I enjoyed them, that's all. I would prefer a straight adaptation, but I have no problem if they invent a good new story.
I love sword & sorcery movies. It is my favorite genre. Before the screening I had no prejudices towards anyone involved, and I really wanted to enjoy the experience. But this film is worse than "Conan the Destroyer", worse than "Kull the Conqueror" and even worse than "Red Sonja". Worse, far worse than "The Scorpion King".
The fight scenes are embarrassing. Tedious and confusing. This is not an insignificant flaw in an action movie! Everything happens too fast, with too many close ups. And the editing is a real disaster. There are a lot of continuity errors, crossing the sight lines, and no sense of place.
Rachel Nichols' character, Tamara, never caught my interest. She is pretty, but with no outstanding characteristics. She gets in some action scenes, but it is simply ridiculous. Nichols looks fragile all the time, and she is supposed to be a nun, so there is no explanation about her fighting skills.
Stephen Lang is a cheesy over-the top-villain without much charisma. Rose Mcgowan is not sexy or menacing enough. Most of the other bad guys have no presence, no background, no lines of dialogue, no character arc... they even have no names!
I think Jason Momoa is a good actor. I have enjoyed him in Game of Thrones and Stargate. He was a good choice. But, unfortunately, you never see him as Conan the Cimmerian...
First, because he doesn't look like Conan. His hair is not black enough, he has no square cut mane, he is not big enough and, most important of all, he has no volcanic blue eyes.
Second, because he doesn't speak like Conan. Forget the long philosophical monologues or the subtle irony. This character talks like a self-confident bully. He doesn't even say "Crom" in the entire movie!
Third, because he doesn't act like Conan. The original character is a free man that enjoys the fruits of adventure and has learned to fight for survival. The protagonist of this movie is a cruel sociopath that enjoys torturing people, and doesn't hesitate in killing women.
The film's modest budget means the special effects are unpolished. In a summer blockbuster this is plainly unacceptable. The giant squid looks terrible, and the great Hyborian cities are like a bad matte painting from the fifties. The swords looks like plastic, the clothes are like halloween costumes, and the built sets are too little.
The story has a lot of absurd moments too. For example, there is a giant battleship that Khalar's army moves along the Hyborian world... and in the sea battle, the bad guys use little boats. How stupid is that? In another scene, Conan's swashbuckling friends save a village from slavers. Not only do the pirates have no reason to act in such a heroic way, but even the methods they use are highly questionable. They throw giant rocks, so the village they are trying to save is destroyed in the process. Then, they have a bloody hand-to-hand combat with the enemy. It is unbelievable that no slaves get harmed!
Again, I don't want to blame the screenwriters for all that stuff. It seems that a lot of dialogue and key scenes have been cut in order to make the movie shorter and more action packed. We know how Hollywood works, and how bad directors can ruin a good script.
The final battle is truly disappointing. The averange viewer can accept a silly adventure movie if, at least, it has a good climax. This one does not. If you expect some giant monsters, incredible nightmarish sets, emotional depth, or the resolution of intriguing conflicts... forget it. There is no excitement, no drama, no spectacle, no real danger. Only bland characters fighting each other (without much conviction) in an ugly cave.
Finally, the soundtrack is mediocre at best. I cant recall a single theme from it. Coming from Basil Poledouris' magnum opus, this is a clear problem.
Movies like Transformers 2 are bad because have no plot, but they are made by professionals that know how to tie two scenes together. This nasty experiment has been made with very little money by untalented people. It really needs a full recut with 30 minutes more, better pacing and coherent action scenes in order to start to be a movie.
I cant understand how these people decided to kill the franchise from its very inception. If this is the motion picture that Paradox put off the ground with so much effort... it would be better to have no Conan movie at all.
QuoteHe doesn't even say "Crom" in the entire movie!
Neoprostivo!
Kritika, avaj, deluje dosta temeljno na potkovan način; na osnovu trejlera rekao bih da je pomalo puristička kada je reč o Momoinim fizikalijama/očima/kosi (meni deluje kao crnoputo osveženje kao što rekoh) ali je znakovito ovo kad kaže da ne izgleda dovoljno velik. Čak su i GoT paceri umeli da ga ukadriraju tako da deluje kao nauljena mrcina pa je ovo možda mogao otpisati na problem s zakazalim donjim rakursom ili prevelikom koncentracijom statista mobilisanih s obližnjeg takmičenja u cepanju telefonskih imenika. Unatoč svemu, odbijam da verujem da je ovaj Konan gori od Kralja Škorpiona...
Najzad i dugo očekivana kritika jednog od najvećih autoriteta za REHa i Konana,Škota Ala Harona:
Well Cromrades, you knew it was coming, and it is: I have seen Conan the Barbarian, and I have thoughts on it. Many, many thoughts.
This was always going to be a very difficult review to write. I have so much invested in the character of Conan, the work of his creator Robert E. Howard, and any future adaptations that hinge on this film. The reception and gross of this film is vital to the productions of Kull of Atlantis, Dark Agnes, Bran Mak Morn, Vultures, Pigeons from Hell, and who knows how many other Howard creations are in the pipeline. If the film does well, then we might finally get what Howard fans want most in a Robert E. Howard adaptation: Robert E. Howard.
While I'm always aware that I'm a big fan at heart, and it isn't as if my word can make or break a production. But I am aware that what I say matters, and that I make a difference – the extent of that difference not immediately clear or quantifiable, but definitely present. I'm keenly aware of my responsibility for my words to be said with the utmost care.
As such, I'm going to write both a review and a critique: the review is the general, broad opinion of the film based on my reaction, with no real delving into plot, character or story details. The critique will deal with much more in-depth analysis, which would naturally mean every other aspect of the film. Those wanting to wait until they've seen the film to make a judgement would be advised only to read the review, and wait until after viewing for the critique.
As of this moment, I'm still putting the finishing touches on my review, so as a taster, here's the capsule:
Conan the Barbarian (2011) is better than I was expecting in some respects, and worse than I was anticipating in others. On pure cinematic merits, it is not as successful as the 1982 film or Solomon Kane, but it is not quite as heinous as Conan the Destroyer or Kull the Conqueror either. In terms of adapting Robert E. Howard's creation, it's only marginally more faithful than any of its predecessors, just in different respects. Jason Momoa, with the right director, script and story, could be a fine interpretation of Howard's Conan: there are brief, wonderful moments in the film where I momentarily forgot what film I was watching, and he's definitely closer to REH than Arnold's ever was. The basic story is still pathetic, some of the effects are simply atrocious, and there's no thematic core, philosophy or subtlety to speak of – on the other hand, the natural scenery of Bulgaria is a joy to behold, some of the effects are surprisingly solid, and there's a pervasive sense of enthusiasm from the cast that can be woefully lacking in these sorts of films. In short, some parts better, some parts worse, but overall, much as how I expected it to end up.
UPDATE: Now for the review itself. Click on, if you dare...
My initial reaction to Conan the Barbarian 2011 was that parts of the film were much less terrible than I was fearing, while others were much worse. Frankly, it's still a rather terrible film from a pure cinema fan's perspective (which tends to be the case for a lot of action films, so much so that they're called "critic proof") – but is it at least an enjoyably terrible film, and does it have any bright spots? Therein lies the dilemma.
I like starting off with the bad in my reviews, since I like to think the good makes up for it, and leaves a more positive feeling in the end.
First of all
Right from the start, I know exactly what my greatest grievance with the film is, and it's the direction by Marcus Nispel. Now, I'm not going to say he's an atrocious director, or incompetent, or an idiot with no sense of basic narrative structure, because frankly, I don't think it would be very nice. Marcus Nispel is, in fact, something of an auteur: I get the distinct impression that this is exactly the film he wanted to make. All his idiosyncrasies make sense if you think of him in the same terms as you would for Uwe Boll: he's a man who doesn't care about things most people take for granted, like "this has to make sense," or "you have to explain this," or "you have to have some sense of pace or tempo or rhythm in order to make a satisfying film" – just that the film he makes is the film he wants. The problem with all this is self-evident: the type of film Marcus Nispel wants to make is directly opposed with the kind of film that Conan deserves.
Conan does not deserve a film where the action is interspersed with Bond-esque one-liners, or people making funny squeals and mugging for the camera when they're kneed in the groin, or an interlude involving a man strapped to a catapult that looks, sounds and feels like a live-action Wile E. Coyote vignette (Holy MITRA, that scene...) Conan does not deserve action scenes that are devoid of visceral power and suffused with the sort of balletic acrobatics more suited to a stage show or Xena: Warrior Princess. Conan does not deserve to live in a world that has no sense of history or majesty, where one beautiful city is like any other, and there's no idea of scale in the various characters' travels. As a generic Swords-and-Sorcery film, it's merely adequate: as a Conan film?
John Milius' Conan the Barbarian had a lot of faults. Let's forget for a second that it had next to nothing to do with Howard's work, or the myriad plot and shooting issues. Milius' film was directly inspired by the likes of Kurosawa, Kobayashi, Eisenstein, Pastrone, Ford – some of the greatest and most influential minds in cinematic history. Sure, it could be disjointed and uneven, but Milius was inspired by the best, and it shows. Some shots in that film are works of art. Marcus Nispel's Conan was more inspired by Lucas, Spielberg, Zemeckis – in other words, people of the same generation and mindset as Milius. All those directors were inspired by earlier filmmakers, to the point where they actively homage them in their work – lifting entire scenes from previous works. Nowadays, people are making homages to them – which is essentially a homage to a homage. This results in a work that is as lifelessly derivative and creatively bankrupt as a photograph of a traced drawing of a painting.
Marcus Nispel's Conan the Barbarian suffers from this issue to a profound extent, but instead of being reminded of Kwaidan, Alexander Nevsky or Cabiria, we're reminded of the blockbusters of yesteryear, and instead of working for the benefit of theme and narrative, they're in there purely to look cool and take up space. Milius taking visuals from "Hoichi the Earless" was used to emphasise the eastern mysticism pervading the film; borrowing the sword ceremony and armour of the Teutonic Knights of Alexander Nevsky was highlighting the "glamour of the crusade" in Doom's quest for steel and the cult-like devotion of his men even at that stage of his life; taking the visual of Maciste pushing a wheel served to illustrate the Kafkaesque symbolism of the wheel in regards to mind-numbing repetition reaping rewards as well as being trying. Nispel borrowing the falling sacrificial wheel from Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom was done because... it was a neat action scene. Nispel lifting the egg-chase from Rapa Nui was done because... it was cool. There is no sense of invention, creativity, or daring about the film: everything that's good is good because it's been done – better – elsewhere, and everything that's bad is because it doesn't have any place in the film.
Despite Sean Hood's efforts, very little of his work remains in the film, and I fear he's going to take the fall for such horrendous lines as "what is your claim – DEATH!" "Now I'm going to kill you with your own father's sword!" and the transcendent "Farewell my friend." Some story choices are just bizarre, confusing and self-contradictory: more of those in the critique. All the set-pieces feel like set-pieces, not organic episodes of a whole narrative, but a series of unconnected events happening in succession. None of the characters are fleshed out beyond basic lip service, and many don't have lines, or even names. They don't even have closure half the time.
The effects in this film were... uneven. Some of the effects were quite good, while others were just horrendous. The prologue was probably the worst. Utterly dire, effects more worthy of the Asylum than other effects we see in this very film. Khalar's battleship and its accompanying elephants were quite shockingly poor, and although I can't be sure, I think they might actually have looped the animation of the pachyderms in one scene. Though the matte paintings were excellent as a general rule, there were some that were not up to that standard: a stack of ruins on the coast, the opening shots of Acheron, a few close-ups of Khor Khalba, and a few others scattered about that were very obvious in comparison to the good effects and natural scenery.
I'm not going to bother talking about the music, because even accounting for the fact that we weren't going to be blessed with anything approaching Poledouris' opus from the 1982 film, I'm truly astounded by how unmoving Bates' score was. It was just... there. Completely perfunctory, uninspired, blase, mundane, adequate. No flair, no power, no drive, no soul. The only part that was remotely interesting was the end credits... and it's not good when the accompaniment to a list of names is the only part of a film score that has any impact.
Aside from the obvious, I think what I hated most about the film was its treatment of sex and violence. I actually felt insulted by it. First, the violence: if you remove all the blood, it's the sort of balletic acrobatics you see in Hercules: The Legendary Journeys and 300. It's all jumping about, 360 flips, and inefficient flourishes that would get anyone in an actual fight killed in short order. It isn't men fighting for their lives, it's men showing off their agility and flair. It isn't something with gravitas, power and resonance, it's something light, bland and irrelevant. This isn't battle, it's a dance. The sheer amount of action scenes inevitably mean that the violence is sincerely diluted as a result, to the point where it's meaningless. Conan doesn't come across as an incredible warrior laying waste to mighty foes: he comes across as a monster massacring helpless enemies – or he would, if the enemies had any distinguishing elements worth a damn. Despite accusations of Conan glorifying violence, Howard was actually very frank, stark and relentless in his depiction of violence as the cruel and unpleasant experience it is – but the fact that the hero was still alive added the thrill of knowing you are still alive to counterbalance it. For violence to be Howardian, it has to have people simultaneously repulsed and enthralled: I felt neither during this film's action scenes, and was actually put off by how insincere it was.
The treatment of sex, frankly, disgusted me. This film is unforgiveably chauvinistic in some key scenes, which put off the good will I had in their depiction of Conan's mother, for all the two minutes she appeared on screen. Given that Howard was nothing short of ahead of his time when it came to not only making strong women, but giving the women who aren't warriors or leaders a bit more backbone than the fawning whelps of his peers, I'm not happy about this one bit. This film presents Tamara's independence as impudence rather than perfectly justifiable indignation, and though she eventually gains Conan's approval through her martial skills, that doesn't justify one early scene that had me fuming in rage, and will no doubt not be well received by feminist viewers. The slave girls... well, I'll leave that to the critique, suffice to say that this nonsense might fly in a John Norman story, but shouldn't be anywhere near a Robert E. Howard one. The film's one sex scene was, not to put too fine a point on it, about as natural-looking as an '80s softcore music video, exacerbated by its hilarious incongruity within the film's setting. At least it wasn't offensive, unlike the slave rescue.
As for fidelity to the source material... yeah, you all know by now. If Conan the Barbarian was a rock 100 miles from Robert E. Howard, then this film is about 95 miles away. I should say that the attempts to reconcile the film with Howard are appreciated, much appreciated, but to be frank, it's too little too late. The infusion of Howardian elements in this film is like using plasters to heal decapitation. Sure, putting a few bandages (sorting out the geography, improving Khalar's backstory, changing races and nationalities to fit better) might stop some of the blood seeping out and close up some of the wound... but you can't fix a beheaded corpse. Once the head's cut off, you can't save it. All you can do is put on a prosthetic head and hope no-one will notice.
On the other hand...
With all this criticism, you might wonder if there are any bright spots. I did say some parts were better than expected, after all. The most noticeable one, for me, is that the film is a lot easier to follow than I was fearing. Many lines of vital exposition, plot development and character interaction which I was led to believe were removed were indeed in the cut I saw. Artus' brief explanation of Conan's worldview to Tamara, Marique & Tamara's conversation (my assistant asserted this wasn't nearly enough to pass the Bechdel test, and admittedly I agree: if they'd just cut Khalar out of the conversation...), even a little extra dialogue for the villains to make them more than just meaty scenery. I can only assume the European cut of the film differs in some way, or earlier versions had just cut those scenes out: whatever the case, I was pleasantly surprised to hear some lines – if gnashing my teeth at some of the cheesy additions which most certainly weren't in the script I read.
Jason Momoa is another success... sort of. In fact, Jason was by far the most frustrating thing about the film, in a way, because as with James Purefoy in Solomon Kane, there were real flashes of Robert E. Howard's Conan in his performance... but because of the story and direction, these brilliant moments were few and far between, and horribly undermined by the very non-Robert E. Howard things that we see. There's one particular moment in the film which almost had the hairs on the back of my neck standing up, so Conan-esque it was. Based on Game of Thrones and a few moments in Conan, I know that Jason Momoa could be Howard's Conan, so long as the right director and story were involved. In this, he's a swaggering, sadistic, chauvinistic bully, about whose personality and worldview we know practically nothing, who is utterly unchanged from beginning to end.
Is he closer to Howard's Conan than Arnold, and does he make a better Conan than Arnold? By Crom, yes, on both counts. Arnold's Conan could never be Howard's Conan: the two characters' histories are just so irreconcilable that you might as well be talking about two different individuals. However, what's worrisome is that the ways he's closer to Howard's Conan than Arnold is because of what he isn't, not because of what he is: instead of Jason's character being more like Conan because he's more like Howard's Conan, it's because he's less like Arnold's. It may seem like splitting hairs, but I think there's an important distinction to be made. Jason's Conan is closer than Arnold's Conan because he is not forced into slavery as a child, nor is he thrust into pit-fighting as an adult, nor taken to the Far East to train in the use of the katana: all greatly appreciated, but it's like saying "Jason's Conan was not abducted by aliens; nor has he had his brain swapped with that of a tapir, nor was he transported to the 25th Century": there's an awful lot more that Conan didn't do than what he did do, and of the things we know Robert E. Howard's Conan did, there's precious little evidence of it in this film.
Leo Howard was also a pretty solid young Conan. This was a young Conan I could believe hunted mountain-beasts with spears, or had been discussed in the council fires all over Cimmeria, or – in a few years, perhaps – would break the neck of a wild Cimmerian bull. In-between the ridiculous roundhouse kicks and silly katas, Leo brings an intensity and ferocity to the role that's sorely needed to wash away Jorge Sanz's heartfelt but entirely inappropriate performance. If they cleaned up the fight choreography and made his attacks brutal rather than flashy, I've no doubt people would buy that this boy is not someone to trifle with. Frankly, I'd love to see Leo take on the early thief Conan stories in a few years.
Of the supporting cast, I like Ron Perlman's Corin and Nonso Anozie's Artus the best. Perlman does a great mixture of loving father and brutal barbarian, treating his son with alternate kindness and harshness without his treatment being jarring or schizoid. He doesn't sleepwalk through the role like he did recording the 2007 Conan game, either: this was him on his A-game, and though the material he had to work with precluded a stellar performance, he was still a highlight. Anozie was given a somewhat thankless task as the Token Black Sidekick, but his jolly eloquence constrasting with his bearlike charisma and presence was very likeable to me, to the point where – horror of horrors – I might not necessarily mind seeing him return in future. Perhaps, in an adaptation of "Queen of the Black Coast" treated as a prequel, we could see Conan's first meeting with Artus on board the Tigress...
The one thing I liked about the other cast members was that there was a definite sense of enthusiasm. Everyone was having fun in this film, be it Lang devouring the immediate area as Khalar Zym, McGowan savouring her large portion of ham as Marique, or Anozie and Taghmaoui being energetic and cheerful as Artus and Ela-Shan respectively. Bob Sapp and Nathan Jones fulfill their roles as Professional Huge Persons admirably, though Nispel never really takes full advantage of their grand dimensions to the extent he should. Of all the cast, only Ron Perlman and Raad Rawi try to give somewhat more sombre and serious performances, but even they couldn't resist going overboard at times, having a nibble at the few parts of the set Lang and McGowan haven't consumed in their rampage. I didn't think anyone was on autopilot, or having a rough time: everyone seemed to be enjoying themselves, and it's kind of infectious. Compared to the dull, lifeless dross of Prince of Persia and Clash of the Titans, I'd at least prefer the cast to seem entertained by what they're doing than bored to tears.
The effects that were good, were very good: these were the particle effects of dust, fire, cloud and whatnot, which are damned difficult to do well, and so I applaud them for doing them well done. The stunts may have been completely inappropriate for the type of Conan film I envision, but in terms of technique and competence, the 300 choreographers and Bulgarian stuntment did a fine job. As I said earlier, some of the matte paintings are quite beautiful: the far shots of Khor Kalba, the Shaipur outpost, the monastery, Messantia, Argalon and what I presume to be Hyrkania are quite lovely, and I wish the other mattes were up to those standards.
Special mention should be made of the locations. It's very evident when the film is showing us a digital matte, and when we're seeing Bulgaria: when it's the latter, it's absolutely beautiful, and entirely real. The scenes shot at Prohodna, the petrified forest, the stone river, the Black Sea Coast and elsewhere add that touch of authenticity that the film desperately needed, and it isn't as familiar as the much-mined New Zealand locations of Hercules, Xena and the Lord of the Rings films.
"But what do you expect? It's just a Conan movie"
If all you know of Conan is a vague recollection of a pair of 1980s films, coupled with a rough knowledge of other Sword-and-Sorcery films, then I can see why someone would react to my criticism of the film's story, characterisation, themes and general content with perplexity. After all, people only go to Conan to see sex, action and adventure, right?
Even those who know that Conan was created by Robert E. Howard – even some who've read his stories – might think those expecting more from a Conan film than blood, breasts and brutality are pretentious, deluded souls seeing things that aren't there, desiring profundity and complexity in an adaptation that isn't warranted from the source material.
These people, of course, are idiots.
Well, no, of course they're not idiots, that's just unkind – but I do strongly disagree with that assessment. Greater Howard fans and scholars than I have given copious examples of why Howard was more than just a particularly good pulp writer: that there is real depth and complexity to his writings, mythic significance in his characters and narratives, philosophical and symbolic vigour that truly does elevate his work beyond the status of mere subliterary hackwork. One need only peruse REHupa.com, The Cimmerian, REH-e-apa.com, Two-Gun Raconteur and other sources to find that there is indeed quite a lot more to Howard's Conan than you'd find in a dime-a-dozen other Sword-and-Sorcery films.
That's why this film smarts so much: it's just a dime-a-dozen Sword-and-Sorcery film. The villain has slightly more motivation than most, and it has nicer scenery than most... but what does it have to offer over The Scorpion King or The Beastmaster? Does it have the cosmic tragedy, subverted Biblical allusions and intellectually curious barbarian of "The Tower of the Elephant"? Can one glean the civilized hypocrisy and arrogance threatening the honest underclass through colonialism of underestimated barbarism of "Beyond the Black River"? Is there an iota of the delving into the corruptive power of decadence and complacency exemplified by "Red Nails"?
In fact, let's forget the deeper things, and concentrate on the basic stuff. Are any of the villains in this film remotely as compelling as the inhuman Xaltotun, the charismatic Thoth-Amon, the sadistic Tsotha-Lanti, the conspiratorial Tascela, or the sympathetic anti-villain Khemsa? Do any of the creatures have any of the impact of the heartbreaking Yogah, the sinister Satha, the monstrous Winged One, the unstoppable Khosatral Khel, or the almost-human Thak? Is a single one of the supporting characters comparable to the magnificent Valeria, the stalwart Pallantides, the heroic Balthus, the boisterous Taurus, or the unforgettable Belit? Any locations so resonant as Zamora's Maul, Xuthal, Xuchotl, Tarantia, Belverus, Khemi? Any set pieces as memorable as Conan's stand against his conspirators and the chilling reminiscence of his homeland in "The Phoenix on the Sword," his battle against the spider and subsequent meeting with the tower's captive in "The Tower of the Elephant," his monstrous battle with Thog in "Xuthal of the Dusk," breaking the neck of a vulture in his teeth while crucified in "A Witch Shall Be Born," his pulse-pounding flight from the Picts in "The Black Stranger"?
No. There's obviously something that has people coming back to Robert E. Howard and Conan after 80 years in a way they aren't coming back to his contemporaries or successors; something that's missing in the tales of Brak, Thongor, Jongor, Elak, and other Sword-and-Sorcery heroes; something that makes him worth returning to every generation. The sex, violence and bloodshed in Howard's Conan is like the heroics, guns and battles of Lawrence of Arabia: they're what makes it the same as other war films, not what makes it special.
But what did you think of the film?
A lot of people worked hard on this film. Fredrik Malmberg has been battling the dunderhead forces of Hollywood to get a remotely Howardian film made since his company bought the rights. Sean Hood worked tirelessly to make a film that's not only more Howardian, but just more coherent and satisfying a narrative. I needn't even mention the many cast and crew members who put so much effort into performances and creating sets, props and tools to make the best film they could with the budget, resources, time and talent available.
So it's actually really painful for me to admit that I hated the film.
Not only from a Howard purist's standpoint, mind – no doubt if I didn't know of the divergences in advance, I would've hated it even more – but from a cinemagoer's standpoint too. Contrary to popular opinion, I'm not so blinded by purist sensibilities that I can't enjoy a film on its own merits. I enjoyed the 1982 film, after all, as well as Total Recall, Blade Runner and I, Robot despite their vast divergences to their respective source material, and their own disparate qualities to boot. I'm not even that much of a snob: while I confess to preferring the likes of Tarkovsky and Reggio, that doesn't mean I can't also relish truly abysmal flicks like the live-action Fist of the North Star. But this film...
Believe me, I tried to like this film. I wanted to like it so much. But I couldn't, and I can't lie. But that doesn't mean you won't like it: after all, the only way you can find out is to experience it for yourself. Crom knows I have my share of films I've liked that others hated, and the reverse: perhaps my opinion will be in the minority. Frankly, I'd love that to be the case, that I'm just a curmudgeonly old purist/film-lover who had completely too much investment to make a fair assessment of a film. It's entirely possible that those with different expectations will enjoy the heck out of this film: certainly you never have time to be bored, there's always something happening on screen, there are plenty of nice visuals, it's easy enough to follow. Have I got myself in so deep that I simply can't make an impartial judgement? Only one way to find out: you, the reader, are the only one capable of making the decision. I'm not going to recommend people don't see the film, as I believe it's one of those films where you'll just have to see for yourself. Will you enjoy it, or will you hate it? I sure can't tell. I just wish that, if Conan the Barbarian turns out to be well-liked – maybe it will, look at the bank Michael Bay's Transformers series made – I could join in that chorus.
I'll have a longer, more detailed critique of the film up sometime this week, where I get into exactly what parts I enjoyed and, ahem, what parts I didn't, explaining more thoroughly why I liked/disliked them, and where I think the Conan film franchise can go from here. Until then, I'm going to have to catch upon other reviews...
This entry was posted on Monday, August 15th, 2011 at 11:46 pm and is filed under Conan Movie Blog.
najnoviji Conan The Barbarian bi vrlo vjerovatno mogao ponijeti titulu filmskog promašaja godine, barem ako je suditi prema premijernom vikendu u američkim kinima, gdje je u 3015 kino dvorana ostvario utržak od jedva 10 milijuna dolara. jednako kao publika, niti kritika mu nije ništa više naklonjena, te ga je sasvim pokopala.
Baš bizaran vikend, svi novi filmovi su flopovali, a od Konana je (malo) više zaradio čak i najnoviji Spy Kids, Fright Night rimejk je prošao još gore, teško da će nakon ovog biti nastavaka...
Potpuni fijaskao... xuss
Međutim, gde vi vidite poraz, kreativni ljudi vide novu mogućnost:
Сценариста ,,Конана" припрема ,,Рамба 5" (http://www.politika.rs/rubrike/kultura-i-zabava/Scenarista-Konana-priprema-Ramba-5.sr.html)
QuoteЛОНДОН - Сценариста филма ,,Конан варварин" Шон Худ радиће на петој и последњој причи из серијала ,,Рамбо", објавио је магазин Емпајер.
Худ је рекао да је сценарио за филм ,,Рамбо: Ласт Станд" предао продукцијској кући Миленијум филмс. ,,Прошле године сам се два пута састао са (Силвестером) Сталонеом. Дао ми је старији сценарио и двадесетак страница које је сам написао како би ми послужиле као инспирација за последње поглавље саге о Рамбу", казао је Худ.
Заплет филма биће у духу првог филма из серијала. Худ је рекао и да није сигуран да ће Сталоне играти у филму.
,,Тренутно не знам да ли ће га Сталоне снимити. Колико знам, тренутно су му пуне руке због филмова 'Bullet To The Head' и 'Плаћеници 2'. Али, Миленијум филмс ме је ангажовала да довршим сценарио и надам се да ће (Сталоне) урадити још један филм о Рамбу, у стилу филма 'Неопроштено' Клинта Иствуда", рекао је Худ.
Pogledao. :(
Posle odgledanog filma ostajem pri onome što napisah nakon trejlera, a ujedno mogu i da potpišem gornje dve kritike.Kada običan gledalac koji zna vrlo malo o Konanu(prva recenzija) i Hauardov purista(druga koju je pisao Haron),ovako iskasape film,onda je jasno kakvo je smeće Nispelovo ostvarenje.
Ne znam samo da li da se radujem što je film tako slavno pukao u bioskopima(do sada povratio samo pola uloženih para), ili da mi bude žao što Džejson neće dobiti još jednu šansu sa autorima koji poštuju i razumeju originalnog Konana,sa dobrim scenaristom i adekvatnim rediteljem, jer su on(fizički deo uloge,jer dijaloge nije ni imao) i mali Leo Hauard(preslikani Konan iz Bornonthebattlefield), jedine svetle tačke ovog smeća.
Sa zanimanjem očekujem utiske ostalih fanova Konana sa Sagite.
Moj je utisak da su se glumci veoma trudili. Mislim da je Momoa odičan Konan, naročito nakon što sam preveo pedesetak epizoda Conan the Barbarian i Savage Sword of Conan. Jedino mu fale plava sočiva pa da bude savršen. Roj Tomas u stripu insistira da je konan preplanuo i bronzane puti, tako da Momoin prirodni ten savršeno odgovara ulozi, baš kao i način na koji se kreće u filmu. Čak su i negativci više nego solidni.
Moje primedbe su upućene pre svega scenariju, koji je na nivou loše D&D avanture, sa još gorim dijalozima - ali i režiji, koja je počesto besciljna. Kao da se režiser usredsredio na snimanje pojedinačnih scena, bez ikakve ideje kako će da ih uklopi u celinu. Kadriranje, odnosno fotografija, je veoma dobro, doduše.
Ukratko, tragično propuštena prilika.
Iskreno, nemam nikakvu želju da pogledam novog Konana.
Šta znam. Ja gledam skoro sve što kod nas dođe u bioskope, ali otkad sam počeo da idem u Ušće, drastično manje gledam divxove. Ovaj film sam baš želeo da pogledam, ako ni zbog čega drugog, a ono zbog gikovske opšte kulture.
Nju Konan iz a pis of šit. :)
Quote from: Nightflier on 14-11-2011, 15:42:52
Čak su i negativci više nego solidni.
S tim mogu da se složim,Lang je odradio šta je mogao sa tekstom koji je dobio. Čak je i Ruža bila grozna, a ne smešna kao što sam očekivao.
Ali je Rejčel takav promašaj da je to neverovatno-kao što sam u nekom od prethodnih postova napisao-prozirna,svilena i meka,ni s od strasti,ona jednostavno nema izgled žene iz Hiborijskog doba,izgleda kao fashion model koja je u taj svet zalutala sa nekog kastinga za kozmetiku.
Ej bre,pa u filmu o Konanu nema ni jedne dobre ribe,a level of nudity je na nivou Holmarkovih filmova za domaćice.U celom filmu imate jednu mračnu scenu sisa Rejčeline dublerke i par sekundi toplesa rumunske zečice Aline u idiotskoj sceni u kojoj Konan oslobađa robove tako što poput šimpanze svali kamen na njihov kavez.
Novi Konan je smejurija... Bez obzira na sve, šokantno je koliko scenario ne valja. Hajde, sam zaplet... Ali realizacija, dijalozi. Katastrofa.
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Evo mog detaljnog kasapljenja Nispelovog filmskog abortusa.
Kritika za ovaj film mi je bila i prilika da konačno napišem zašto i Milijusovo i Stounovo ostvarenje smatram svetogrđem i uvredom za Konana,njegovog tvorca Roberta E. Hauarda i sve časne Simerijance.
Džejson Mоmoa i Leo Hauard su jedine svetle tačke novog filma o Konanu.
Horhe Sans koji je u Milijusovom filmu igrao malog Konana je bio samo jedan simpatičan klinja koji ništa nije ni radio ni pričao, već je samo slušao i gledao šta se oko njega dešava.
Leo Hauard je i po izgledu, ali i po svemu ostalom što odlikuje mladog Konana , kao preslikani mali Simerijanac iz Dark Horsovog serijala Born on the Batlefield. Zato je šteta što tog divljeg i okretnog klinca nismo mogli da gledamo duže u ovoj ulozi.
Da li je Džejson zadovoljio u ulozi Konana?
Jeste.
Da li je on savršeni Konan?
Naravno da nije.
Da li je bolji Konan od Arnolda.
Naravno da jeste.
Kao prvo, Džejson je po liku vrlo sličan crtanom Konanu Frazete,Bjuseme, De Zunige, Nebresa i ostalih legendarnih crtača koji su ga kreirali prema Hauardovim opisima i zato je trebalo da se stilisti samo malo potrude pa da vizuelno bude gotovo identičan-mislim,naravno na plave oči bez kojih Konan nije Konan i na frizuru, jer Konan mora da ima ravnu kosu sa podsečenim šiškama.
Zašto im je bio problem da to izvedu,ostaje nejasno;biće ipak da su autori ovog nedela čvrsto rešili da osim po imenu , svojim filmom izbrišu svaku drugu sličnost sa Konanom Simerijancem.
Majmunoliki Švarceneger nema apsolutno ništa od fizionomije pravog Konana.
Da, u pogledu mase i mišića, Švarceneger je verniji originalnom Konanu, jer Džejsonu fali još rada u teretani i steroida, ali u pogledu pokretljivosti, fizičkih mogućnosti i ubedljivosti u izvođenju akcionih scena, Džejson je baš ono što Konan treba da bude i kilometrima je ispred drvenog i ukočenog Arnolda.
Uostalom, Konan kod Hauarda i nije opisan kao troma bilderčina koja ne može da se pomeri kao Arnold, a kamoli da sprinterski trči ili se vešto i lako vere po planinama i kulama Hiborijanskog sveta.
Džejson je brz, konja jaše kao da je na njemu odrastao, a u rukovanju mačem je izvanredan( iako je tu pod uticajem samurajskih filmova koje je gledao pripremajući se za ulogu, uneo i malo nepotrebne teatralnosti i poziranja).
On definitivno ima harizmu i skrin prezens, a za to što nije uspeo da nam dočara i Konanov karakter krivi su podjednako scenaristi koji mu za to nisu dali materijal i Nispel koji nije umeo da ga uputi kako da to iznese na pravi način, niti mu je za to dao dovoljno mesta u svom filmu.
A da je sposoban da tako nešto izvede, Džejson je pokazao u Igri Prestola jer je Kal Drogo mnogo moćniji, strašniji i u svakom smislu ubedljiviji varvarin u odnosu na onog koga smo videli u Nispelovom filmu. Čak je i fizički impresivniji, jer je HBO-ova serija snimana posle Konana tako da je Džejson za Igru prestola stigao da nabaci veću mišićnu masu.
Ali baš zato je HBO - HBO, a Nispel šminkerski reditelj muzičkih spotova i reklama.
A sad da krenemo na paranje po šavovima Nispelovog nedela.
Isto kao što Milijusov film nema nikakve veze sa Konanom osim po imenu, tako nema ni ovaj, a u mnogim segmentima je još gori i dalji od izvornog Konana Roberta Hauarda i onog koga nam je u stripovima verno i majstorski predstavio Roj Tomas.
Ta pođemo od toga na koji način je predstavljen Konanov karakter.
Hauardov Konan je inteligentan i mudar,sposoban da razmišlja i deluje kao diplomata kada je potrebno, odličan je vojni strateg, on govori i čita na više drevnih jezika.
Kao što može da bude nagao i impulsivan, isto tako ume da bude smiren i strpljiv. Kao što može da uživa u društvu,da bude veseo, otvoren i duhovit, tako može da bude i povučen, zamišljen, melanholičan i ciničan.
Onoliko koliko je nemilosrdan prema svojim neprijateljima , toliko samilosti i zaštite pruža slabima i nemoćnima.
Konan poštuje datu reč, a zbog prijatelja će rizikovati i svoj život. Baš zato je toliko surov i neumoljiv prema onima koji ga prevare ili izdaju, pa je zato spreman da pređe i čitavu pustinju da bi kaznio izdajnika.(priča ,,Crne suze" )
Da,Konan osvaja žene sa istim uspehom kao i neprijateljske zamkove, ali to ne radi varvarski kao što bi zbog njegovog porekla i pojave neupućeni gledaoci pomislili, već šmekerski. (-You said I was a barbarian,and that is true,Crom be thanked, and though your kind call me a robber,I never forced a women against her consent-"Dolina izgubljenih žena")
Konan je sposoban da voli pa i da iskreno tuguje kada mu je ljubav (Belit) ubijena. Ali u tom bolu ostaje dostojanstven(,,Smrt na Crnoj obali") jer ni zbog najtežeg ličnog gubitka nije spreman da se odrekne svoje časti i ljudskosti i oduzme nevin život čak i ako na taj način može povratiti voljenu osobu(odbija da ubije Crvenu Sonju u zamenu za vraćanje života Belit u ,,Ratu čarobnjaka")
Iako najčešće okružen praznoglavim i sebičnim lepoticama lakog morala(poput Jene na primer), Simerijanac najviše poštuje one žene čiju fizičku lepotu prati snažan i nezavisan karakter, a koje je mali broj muškaraca uspeo da nadmudri,pobedi u borbi i odvede u krevet(Belit,Sonja,Valerija,Zenobija)
Gotovo ni jednu od ovih osobina nismo videli u filmovima o Konanu.
Kod Milijusa smo imali Konana kao glupavu sirovinu koja ne ume ni da misli, ni da priča, već samo da ubija.
Nispelov Konan nije retard, ali nije ni mnogo daleko od toga - nismo čuli da je bilo šta pametno ili duhovito rekao osim što je izdeklamovao par citata iz REH-ovih priča koji su izvučeni iz konteksta zvučali totalno idiotski, a borbena strategija i planiranje mu se sastoje od svaljivanja stene na robinje koje želi da oslobodi i zaključka da će lakše pobediti protivnika sam, bez pomoći vojske svojih prijatelja.
Nispelov Konan na prevaru pobeđuje sopstvenog prijatelja u takmičenju, a neprijatelja kome je prethodno obećao život ako mu otkrije gde se nalazi glavni negativac Kalar Zim, posle toga pošalje u smrt.
Još veću štetu originalnom Hauardovom liku Nispel je naneo time što ga je prikazao kao sadistu koji uživa u mučenju zarobljenika i kao primitivnog seksistu.
Kao što je neko od Konanovih fanova tačno primetio: -Da,naravno da on nije klasičan gud gaj i ima vrlo specifičan moralni kodeks,ali nije ni negativac, a u ovom filmu vi stvarno ne znate za koga da navijate, jer razlike između njega i glavnog zlikovca koga tumači Stiven Lang, gotovo da i ne postoje.
Iako je kod Milijusa Konanov odnos sa Valerijom u stvari ripovana veza sa Belit, tu ipak vidimo Simerijanca kome je stalo do svoje devojke.
Kod Nispela je on prikazan kao pećinski čovek koji zadovoljava svoje seksualne nagone poput životinje, a žene tretira kao stoku. Prvo ona scena sa robinjama, a zatim i njegov odnos i seks sa Tamarom koji je lišen bilo kakvih emocija i strasti.
Srećom, u ovom filmu Konan nije na kolenima cmizdrio moleći Mitru da mu pomogne niti je bio rob kao kod Milijusa što su bile najveće greške u predstavljanju simerijančevog karaktera u starom filmu, jer on ne bi pristao da bude rob duže nego što bi mu trebalo da pokida lance ili da smisli plan za bekstvo ili bi pak umro pokušavajući da se oslobodi.
Nema ni dosadnog Kineza koji bi bio komik sajdkik kao u Milijusovom filmu, ali ne zbog toga što to scenaristi nisu želeli, već zato što za njega u filmu koji se sastoji isključivo od akcionih scena nije bilo vremena (ovde imamo nekog smotanog lopova koji je imao dve replike u filmu, a jedino smešno u vezi sa njim je jak francuski akcenat glumca koji ga tumači).
Zemlje i gradovi Hiborijanskog sveta u filmu ne samo što geografski odstupaju od originalnih Hauardovih mapa, već su i njihovi nazivi izmenjeni ili potpuno pogrešno izgovarani.
Šta je sa ostalim glumcima?
Rejčel Nikols kao Konanova devojka Tamara je takav promašaj da je to neverovatno -prozirna,svilena i sterilna;ni šarma, ni strasti,ona jednostavno nema izgled žene iz Hiborijanskog doba, izgleda kao fashion model koja je u Hiborijanski svet zalutala sa nekog kastinga za kozmetiku. Pravi Konan se ne bi ni osvrnuo na devojku poput nje. Da ne spominjemo koliko je neuverljivo to što je Tamara, jedna nežna sveštenica koja je celi život provela u miru manastira moleći se,uspela da ovlada svim borbenim tehnikama i pretvori se u tako ubojitu i neustrašivu ratnicu kojoj bi na veštinama i hrabrosti pozavidela čak i Crvena Sonja.
U tome je još više odmogla sama Nikolsova koja je Tamaru odglumila kao fensi ribu iz neke moderne američke tv serije.
Kada vidite Olgu Kurilenko u Centurionu, jasno vam je da bi vas ta divljakuša sa zadovoljstvom iseckala na komade i zaista poverujete da je ona u stanju da jaše, gađa kopljem i bori se jednako dobro kao i muškarac.
Nikolsova, s duge strane, u Konanu izgleda kao junakinja Seksa i grada koja je sve vreme nervozna, jer kasni kod frizera.
Konanov ortak ,crnac Artus koji glumi gusarskog kapetana i očigledno predstavlja zamenu za Zulu, je takođe totalni miskast;on izgleda kao čuvar slonova iz nekog afričkog rezervata.
Jedna od retkih pozitivnih stvari Milijusovog filma bio je prikaz Konanovog oca koga je igrao Vilijam Smit, a koji bi u svojim mlađim danima po izgledu bio savršeni Konan.
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Ovde pak Konanovog oca igra majmunoliki Ron Perlman.
Nispelu valjda nije delovao dovoljno varvarski, pa je insistirao da ga dodatno poružne i pretvore u neandertalca. On na početku filma izmumla par reči, a onda ga ubiju.
Još veće skrnavljenje je što Simerijance igraju Bugari.
Umesto da Simerijanci budu ogromni dugokosi Arijevci iz Bjuseminih stripova koji najviše podsećaju na Vikinge ili Slovene,i izgledaju moćno i natčovečanski, autori filma su se odlučili na jeftiniju i seljačkiju varijantu iz strip serijala Born on the battlefield gde oni više podsećaju na neko azijsko nomadsko pleme, a u filmskoj verziji sa Bugarima-na cigane iz neke čerge.
Srećom,bar je Konanova majka odlično odabrana i mnogo je bolji izbor od istina prelepe ali too softy plavuše Nadjuške iz Milijusovog filma, ali je glupšoću Nispela i scenarista, Lejla Ruas koja je tumači ovde dobila samo nekoliko sekundi, jer umire na samom početku filma.
Kakvi su negativci?
Lang je odradio šta je mogao sa tekstom koji nije/je dobio. Čak je i Ruža bila solidna to jest grozna kakva njena veštica i treba da bude, (a ne komična kao što sam očekivao posle odgledanog trejlera), čemu su u velikoj meri doprineli masker i šminker.
Ovo su jedini likovi koji su u filmu imali više od par rečenica, svi ostali su bili samo statisti.
Bob Sap je neprimetan i jeftino potrošen(malo rvanja sa Konanom i to je to)
Da se sad okrenemo scenariju.
I tu je ponovljena greška iz prvog filma-zadržana je idiotska priča o ubistvu Konanovih roditelja koju je Oliver Stoun ubacio u film iako Hauard tako nešto nikad nije napisao. O Konanovoj mladosti je poznato vrlo malo-zna se jedino da mu je otac bio kovač i da je rođen na bojnom polju.
Ubistvo porodice u mladosti sigurno bi snažno uticalo na njegov karakter i motivaciju, a pošto se to nije dogodilo, Konana u životu ne vodi želja za osvetom, već želja za avanturom.
Da je pravom Konanu neko ubio oca i majku,on se ne bi smirio dok ih ne pronađe i osveti im se.
Nispelovi scenaristi tu prave još veću grešku. Njihov Konan u osvetu kreće tek kada slučajno posle petnaestak godina nabasa na ubice.
Scenario u Milijusovom filmu bio je sastavljen od mešavine segmenata iz različitih novela i stripova koji su spojeni zbrda zdola i zato je krajnji rezultat bio tako loš.
Konanovi fanovi su se nadali da će scenario za novi film predstavljati adaptaciju originalnih Hauardovih priča jer su gotovo sve filmične i samo je trebalo napraviti pravu kombinaciju.
Mogla se raditi i adaptacija stripova od kojih su pojedini kao stvoreni za film i maltene predstavljaju gotov storyboard.
Producenti su međutim rešili da idu sa potpuno novim tekstom.
-OK,nemamo ništa protiv ako verno predstavite Konana i napišete dobru priču, rekoše fanovi.
Prvo neprijatno iznenađenje je usledilo kada se saznalo da je izrada scenarija dodeljena dvojcu Doneli i Openhajmer zloglasnih po bljuzgi Sahara, a najcrnje slutnje fanova su se obistinile kada se skript pojavio na netu, jer je sa Hauardovim Konanom i njegovim svetom imao veze jedino po imenu.
Scenario (ako se ova hrpa idiotskih replika, dijaloga u pokušaju i pretnji kao iz stripova Zlatne serije i trećerazrednih Kung –fu filmova tako može nazvati)je napisan po oprobanom ziheraškom modelu sword and sorcery limunada poput Scorpion kinga-što manje priče,razvoja karaktera i zapleta i što više akcije,ne bi li se od retardiranih američkih tinejdžera na siguran način uzela gomila para.
Izgleda, međutim, da ni oni nisu toliki debili, jer je film slavno flopnuo na blagajnama povrativši tek polovinu uloženog novca.
Fanovi iz celog sveta sa zvaničnog sajta Roberta Hauarda su bili toliko besni da su čak napisali i peticiju Frederiku Malbergu,direktoru Paradoxa, vlasniku prava na Konana i ostale Hauardove likove,i koproducentu filma u nadi da mogu uticati da se stopira rad na ovom scenariju dok se ne izmeni - poboljša i približi originalnoj Hauardovoj ideji. Zbog ovoga je naknadno angažovan Šon Hud,mladi američki horor scenarista i fan Hauardovog Konana da uradi rewrite skripta Donelija I Openhajmera, i spase što se spasiti može.
Pokazalo se međutim da u tome nije uspeo, jer sa nekoliko Hauardovih citata istrgnutih iz originalnih Konanovih priča nije se naknadno moglo mnogo uraditi. On je istina uspeo da malo zatalasa šablonsku i neoriginalnu sword and sorcery priču ubacivši naznaku incestuoznog odnosa između glavnog negatica i njegove ćerke, ali mu nije bilo dato dovoljno vremena u okviru filma da tu priču i razvije i sa njom nešto kompleksnije uradi.
Osim što su karakteri svih likova u filmu jedva osenčeni i jednodimenzionalni, scenario je i sa čisto zanatske strane katastrofalan- linearan,naivan i predvidljiv, pun rupa i nelogičnosti.
Jedna od najidiotskijih scena u filmu je ona kada Tamara visi nad ambisom držeći se samo za Konanovu ruku, a on se napinje, muči i nikako da je izvuče. Da ne zaboravimo i ništa manje debilnu scenu u kojoj gomila robova vuče ogromni Kalarov brod preko kopna jer će im možda zatrebati ako negde usput naiđu na more.
Jedina iskra originalnosti u celom filmu je način na koji je Konan iskoristio glavu svog mrtvog protivnika kao ulaznicu u zatvor Zimovog generala.
Ali takav kakav je, ovaj scenario se savršeno uklapa sa Nispelovom konfuznom režijom.
Ceo film izgleda kao jedan dugačak spot sastavljen od iscepkanih i nepovezanih segmenata i kadrova koji se tako brzo smenjuju da ni ne vidite šta se i zašto dešava - narativni postupak jednostavno ne postoji.
Vizuelno film izgleda kao mešavina Princa Persije,Mumije,Sudara titana i Skorpion kinga.
Ušminkana i šljašteća fotografija,CGI animacija,eksplozije kao u nekom modernom akcionom hitu,slow motion kadrovi kao u Matrixu,(oni smešni ljudi od peska koji gađaju Džejsona nekom vrstom šurikena kao u nindža filmovima) ,a negativci,scenografija i kostimi izgledaju kao da su ispali iz neke SF TV serije.
Kako bi trebalo da bude izgleda Konanov svet na filmu?
Pa ako je prikaz iz Refnove Valhale (koji se meni najviše sviđa), suviše varvarski i sumoran za širu publiku,ne bih imao ništa protiv lokacija i setova iz starih Sinbadovih filmova, ali to definitivno nije postapokaliptični svet sa negativcima koji izgledaju kao da su pobegli iz Mad Maxa.
Akcione scene? Pa džaba je što se ceo film jedino od njih i sastoji, kad su tako loše snimljene.
Kadrovi se tako brzo menjaju i montaža je tako amaterski sklepana, da jedva nešto od toga i možete da vidite.
Među brojnim besmislenim, naivno postavljenim i rešenim akcionim scenama izdvaja se borba malog Konana sa Piktima na početku filma.
Kao prvo, Pikti kod Nispela izgledaju kao Irokezi. OK,po izgledu su verni Hauardovim opisima jer ih je on video otprilike kao Indijance severa Amerike i čak postoje i neke stare ilustracije Konanovih novela gde su Pikti upravo tako prikazani.
Ali bez obzira na to, doslednost izvoru od strane ekipe filma u ovom slučaju je velika greška. Ne samo zato što će većina ljudi reagovati u stilu:"Šta je ovo,Konan se bori protiv Indijanaca",već zato što ovi Pikti ne izgledaju dovoljno grozno.
Da bi bili dovoljno strašni i autentični, Pikti treba da izgledaju onako kako su prikazani u Konanovim stripovima.Najbolji primer je epizoda Beyond the black river Toni de Zunige u kojoj su oni mali,crni,ružni divljaci koji najviše podsećaju na praistorijske ljude.
Ili još bolje poređenje-onako kako izgledaju ljudožderi u filmu 13.ratnik.
Izgleda da je i sam Nispel pred početak snimanja provalio da njegovi Pikti ne izgledaju dovoljno čudovišno pa je to pokušao da nadoknadi time što je njihove ljudske glasove zamenio životinjskim režanjem.
A da su Pikti čvrsti momci,nema dileme jer se inače ne bi šetali goli po snegu usred zime.
A možda to i nije toliko hladna zima, jer ni jednom od njih ne izlazi para iz usta
Ali onda je nejasno zašto su Simerijanci koji su čuveni kao izdržlivi gorštaci natrontani tolikim krznima.
Sama scena borbe malog Konana sa Piktima (kojoj prethodi bezobrazno ukradena trka sa jajima iz filma Rapa Nui) je kao iz nekog kung- fu filma za decu ili crtaća.
Kao prvo,Konan je prikazan kao idiot koji ignorišući upozorenje oca bezglavo juri u susret smrti zbog pobede u trci iako su pred njim četiri odrasla piktska ratnika.
Na osnovu čega on smatra da može da ih savlada?
A ako je tako lako srediti ih, zašto svi ostali klinci zbrišu kad ih vide i zašto onda nekoliko odraslih simerijanskih ratnika ne ode u piktsko selo i istrebi im celo pleme.
Mali Konan ih skenja po sistemu deset malih crnaca - rve se sa odraslim ljudima i baca ih po snegu kao da su deca, jednom od njih razbije glavu o sneg, drugog šutne u kung fu stilu, a trećeg nabije u drvo kao u vestern tuči u salunu.
Jasno je meni da je reditelj ovom scenom odmah hteo da nam objasni ko je i šta je Konan,ali to je trebalo da izgleda uverljivo, a ne kao crtać.
I zašto se simerijanske žene koje učestvuju u bitkama zajedno sa muškarcima, toliko zgražavaju kad mali Konan u selo donese odsečene glave Pikta?
Jedina akciona scena koja dobija prelaznu ocenu je jurnjava za kočijom kroz šumu.
-Ali dobro,film bar ima R oznaku,znači da je surov i krvav, baš kakav film o Konanu i treba da bude-naivno će neki koji ga još uvek nisu videli.
Pa šta vredi ta brutalnost i hektolitri CGI krvi koji se razlivaju na sve strane, kada Nispel to snimi sterilno i bezidejno kao u kompjuterskoj igric tako da to onda nema nikakvog efekta.
(Stiven Lang je na pitanje kakav je Nispel reditelj i kakav je njegov način rada odgovoro da je on sve vreme snimanja vikao-Give me more blood!)
Uzalud je bilo što su fanovi na REHovom forumu gubili vreme ukazujući Malbergu i ekipi filma kako treba da izgledaju akcione scene u Konanovom filmu da bi bile ubedljive i efektne, pametno ukazujući na borbe u Apokaliptu,Refnovoj Valhali,seriji Rim,Manovom Poslednjem Mohikancu i Malikovom Novom svetu.
A jel ima bar neko čudovište? Za 90 miliona koliko je film koštao sigurno može da se uradi neka dobra kreacija bar jednog od gomile fantastičnih bića koja su obogaćivala Konanov svet u pričama i stripovima.
Ništa od toga.U sceni koja se događa u vodi na dnu Kalar Zimovog zamka, vidite samo pipke nekog čudovišta koje je očigledno maznuto iz Džeksonove Družine prstena, i to je sve.
Ni traga od Lavkraftovskih monstruma koje su producenti obećavali fanovima na REHovom forumu.
Sad će neko ko još nije odgledao film pitati:-Dobro,ako je akcija tako loše urađena,i ako nema ni čudovišta,ima li bar zgodnih riba i golotinje jer ni bez toga nema pravog Konana.
Pa verovali ili ne,nema čak ni toga.
Ej bre,pa u filmu o Konanu nema ni jedne dobre ženske,a level of nudity je na nivou Holmarkovih filmova za domaćice. U celom filmu imate jedan mračan kadar sisa Rejčeline dublerke i par sekundi toplesa rumunske zečice Aline u idiotskoj sceni u kojoj Konan oslobađa robove tako što poput šimpanze svali kamen na njihov kavez.
Muzika? Pa naravno da vas posle Polidorusovog remek dela zanima da čujete šta je uradio Tajler Bejts koji je bio angažovan da komponuje skor za novog Konana?
Bbiće dovoljno ako vam kažem da nisam ni primetio da ima muzike u filmu.
Šta reći za kraj?
Zbog razmere ovog debakla(osim što je film pukao na američkim i svetskim blagajnama, i kritika ga je iskasapila),od najavljenih nastavaka neće biti ništa, a i bitno se umanjuju šanse da u skoroj budućnosti neka nova ekipa producenata sakupi dovoljno hrabrosti i novca da se iznova prihvati prebacivanja najpoznatijeg svetskog varvarina na veliko platno.
Ne znam zato da li da se radujem što su Nispel i cela ekipa pohlepnih producenata koji su očekivali da će na Konanovom imenu na lak način masno zaraditi, tako neslavno pukli, jer su odbili da poslušaju dobronamerne i ispravne savete pravih poznavaoca Hauarda i njegovog najčuvenijeg junaka, ili da mi bude žao što Džejson neće dobiti još jednu šansu,sa kvalitetnim scenaristom i adekvatnim rediteljem,ali pre svega sa producentima i autorima koji poštuju i razumeju originalnog Konana i njegovog autora.
Konanovim fanovima koji sa ljubomorom gledaju na fanove Tolkinovog Hobita i Martinove Pesme, jer sa nestrpljenjem očekuju nastavke vernih adaptacija svojih omiljenih junaka, nije ostalo ništa drugo nego da sami uzmu stvari u svoje ruke. Uskoro se očekuje premijera filma Frost giants daughter koji su pravili i finansirali sami fanovi.
Svaka čast i hvala što si mi uštedeo sat ipo vremena ;)
Quote from: SIMERIJANAC on 29-11-2011, 17:20:40
...A da su Pikti čvrsti momci,nema dileme jer se inače ne bi šetali goli po snegu usred zime.
A možda to i nije toliko hladna zima, jer ni jednom od njih ne izlazi para iz usta
Ali onda je nejasno zašto su Simerijanci koji su čuveni kao izdržlivi gorštaci natrontani tolikim krznima...
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Film je zaista slab.
Nemam nešto vremena za predugačko pisanije, a nema ni potrebe posle Simerijančeve iscrpne analize.
Moj utisak je otprilike, sledeći:
Prvi utisak je nemaštovitost - ovde Konan traži negativca da bi se osvetio za ubistvo roditelja i pokolj u svom selu - kao u Milijusovom filmu, samo što su tamo stradala oba roditelja, ovde otac - plus u ovom filmu i negativac traga za nečim. Pored toliko sjajnih priča o Konanu u "pisanim" pričama i stripovima, napraviti film baziran na ovakvom konceptu i još goroj razradi je stvarno razočaravajuće.
"Razrada" se svodi na akciju i samo akciju. Nije loše za jedan avanturistički film, mogao bi neko da pomisli, ali kad akcija ne ostavlja mesto za dramu, psihologiju, likove - pa čak ni za interesantne dijaloge i interakciju tokom akcionih scena, onda imamo problem i dobijamo film u kome nema emocija, a akcija je mehanička.
Lik - karakter Konana je vrlo površno dat (ostali likovi su samo šabloni), a u to malo karakterizacije prepoznajemo neke postupke koji nisu svojstveni Konanu, pa film više podseća na film o junaku sličnom Konanu, tzv Konanovskom heroju, nego o samom Konanu. (Ovo nije drastičan slučaj, kao filmski Dilan Dog, ali sve to postaje prilično iritirajuće, kad su holivudske ekranizacije strip junaka u pitanju).
Zato ni pristojna pojava glavnog glumca nije mogla da spase stvari - delovao je mnogo gore na fotografijama, a mogao je da prođe (sa ispravljenom kosom) kao solidan Konan. Neki drugi glumci (devojka koju Konan spašava) su ispod očekivanog nivoa.
Režija akcionih scena je solidna, ali se režija samo na nivou pojedinih scena može nazvati dobrom - kao celina film se slabo drži.
Konačna ocena - laka filmska zabava, koja je gledljiva, ali se zaboravlja po završetku filma - nema ni jednu scenu za pamćenje. Nedostojno jednog od najprepoznatljivijih likova popularne kulture.
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Skinuo pogledao i sad kad sam htreo da napišem nešto o filmu shvatio sam da se ne sećam baš ničeg vezanog za njega. Što dovoljno govori o tome koliko mi se svideo.
:)
http://youtu.be/363GQdni6Sk (http://youtu.be/363GQdni6Sk)
http://youtu.be/STFZx-PUzpU (http://youtu.be/STFZx-PUzpU)