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Title: Klint Istvud (Clint Eastwood)
Post by: marduk on 24-01-2010, 15:23:28
Mislim da nemamo na forumu, a trebalo bi, da imamo temu o Klintu Istvudu. Neću stavljati nikakve prideve i nadeve ispred njegovog imena, svi znamo (više-manje) o kakvoj se ličnosti u svetskoj kinematografiji radi, šta i gde je glumio, šta i kako režirao, itd.

Elem, ko je rad, može dati svoje preporuke - pokude - ili - favorite, a u pogledu njegovih bitnijih uloga odnosno filmova za koje je isti zaslužan, što glumački, što režiserski.

Eto, primetio sam da dosta nj.filmova nisam ni gledao. Nedavno sam obnovio njegov spaghetti kanon, započeo obnavljanje Dirty Harry franšize, a konačno sam i odgledao novija režiserska ostvarenja koja sam nekako ostavljao na strani: Million Dollar Baby (krasan film) i Gran Torino (također!). Upravo sam započeo Mystic River, film koji mi je jedno desetak puta "umakao" sa Tv-a. Na targetu su mi: Play Misty for Me, Tightrope, Kelly's Heroes (mada sam to nekad davno gledao), itd.

Šta biste vi preporučili, a da vredi, van te njegove linije poznatih sočinjenija?
Naročito, šta mislite o njegovim poznijim režiserskim ostvarenjima? Čini se da matori zna šta radi....   :!:
Title: Re: Klint Istvud (Clint Eastwood)
Post by: Le Samourai on 24-01-2010, 16:05:00
Bronko Bili!
Title: Re: Klint Istvud (Clint Eastwood)
Post by: Will-O'-The-Wisp on 24-01-2010, 16:09:10
Ja Istvuda obožavam do imbecilnosti tako da nisam baš najobjektivniji, ali filmove - pored najpoznatijih stvari, od kojih si neke naveo - preporučujem:

- HEARTBREAK RIDGE - Film koji mi bio jedan od omiljenih. Većina ljudi ga znao kao Kotu Slomljenog srca, ali u mom video-klubu zvao se Surovi greben. Prvi put sam ga gledao negdje sa 10 godina, i godinama mi je bio omiljeni film.
- KELLY'S HEROES - Najbolji WW2 flik ikada!
- WHERE EAGLES DARE - Još jedno WW2 remek-djelo. Vjerovatno second best WW2 flik ikada!
- COOGAN'S BLUFF - Prljavi Hari prije Prljavog Harija. Odličnost prve klase. Tatko Siegel!
- THE BEGUILED - You gotta see this shit! Ludilo!
- HIGH PLAINS DRIFTER - Ovaj će posebno da ti odgovara.
- THE ROOKIE - Mnogi ne vole ovaj film, ali je meni ovo jedan od omiljenih buddy cop filmova.
- FIREFOX - Još jedan od omiljenih filmova iz mladosti mi.
- THE EIGER SANCTION - Remek-djelo. Mogu da ga gledam kad oćeš.
- THUNDERBOLT AND LIGHTFOOD - No comment.
- ESCAPE FROM ALCATRAZ - Zastareo, ali i dalje vrlo dobar film.
- THE OUTLAW JOSEY WALES - E i ovaj se sjajno drži. Skorije ga obnovih, i dalje je prva klasa.
- SPACE COWBOYS - Ne mgu pričati o kvalitetu ovog filma, ali meni je ovo ekstra zabavan film.

Eto, odgledaj ovo i miran si. :-)
Title: Re: Klint Istvud (Clint Eastwood)
Post by: Will-O'-The-Wisp on 24-01-2010, 16:11:41
E, da, vjerovatno ću sad da budem linčovan, ali meni je Mystic River potpuno overrated. Srednja žalost.

P.S. I kad ti je već na tapetu Play Misty For Me, što prije gledaj to. To je jedna od najboljih stvari koje je režirao.
Title: Re: Klint Istvud (Clint Eastwood)
Post by: marduk on 24-01-2010, 16:15:48
Quote from: Will-O'-The-Wisp on 24-01-2010, 16:09:10
Ja Istvuda obožavam do imbecilnosti tako da nisam baš najobjektivniji, ali filmove - pored najpoznatijih stvari, od kojih si neke naveo - preporučujem:

- HEARTBREAK RIDGE - Film koji mi bio jedan od omiljenih. Većina ljudi ga znao kao Kotu Slomljenog srca, ali u mom video-klubu zvao se Surovi greben. Prvi put sam ga gledao negdje sa 10 godina, i godinama mi je bio omiljeni film.
- KELLY'S HEROES - Najbolji WW2 flik ikada!
- WHERE EAGLES DARE - Još jedno WW2 remek-djelo. Vjerovatno second best WW2 flik ikada!
- COOGAN'S BLUFF - Prljavi Hari prije Prljavog Harija. Odličnost prve klase. Tatko Siegel!
- THE BEGUILED - You gotta see this shit! Ludilo!
- HIGH PLAINS DRIFTER - Ovaj će posebno da ti odgovara.
- THE ROOKIE - Mnogi ne vole ovaj film, ali je meni ovo jedan od omiljenih buddy cop filmova.
- FIREFOX - Još jedan od omiljenih filmova iz mladosti mi.
- THE EIGER SANCTION - Remek-djelo. Mogu da ga gledam kad oćeš.
- THUNDERBOLT AND LIGHTFOOD - No comment.
- ESCAPE FROM ALCATRAZ - Zastareo, ali i dalje vrlo dobar film.
- THE OUTLAW JOSEY WALES - E i ovaj se sjajno drži. Skorije ga obnovih, i dalje je prva klasa.
- SPACE COWBOYS - Ne mgu pričati o kvalitetu ovog filma, ali meni je ovo ekstra zabavan film.

Eto, odgledaj ovo i miran si. :-)

Ha, ha, znao sam da je Willy, stari lisac, pravi Clint-znalac! Eto, ove WW2 sam gledao, ali jako davno, obnoviti ću ih nekad, možda baš sad kad sam na bolovanju pa imam vremena (ništa strašno - toliko - naprso butni mišić na basketu), a gledao sam još samo Alkatraz, Velsa, Driftera. Ovo ostalo jok.

A kaki je novi Invictus, valjda se tako zove??!??
Title: Re: Klint Istvud (Clint Eastwood)
Post by: Ghoul on 24-01-2010, 16:18:00
ponešto sa gornje liste zrelo mi je za reprizu, naročito ovi WW2 flicks;
THE BEGUILED je meni bio vrlo smoran na 1. gledanje, ali možd sam ga gledao u neodgovarajućem društvu.

za sada, sa liste mogu da potpišem samo HIGH PLAINS DRIFTER i THE OUTLAW JOSEY WALES kao izvanredne, ghoul-pomazane filmove, dok mi je SPACE COWBOYS toliko odvratno užasan film da sam se na njemu - pamtim, u pokojnom bioskopu PARK - zadugo oprostio sa (novim) klintom, i taj raskid raskinuo tek pre par nedelja gledajući (s uživanjem) GRAND TORINO.

svi moji istančani indikatori kazuju mi da je Mystic River verovatno precenjen, pa sam ga zato (i zbog oduševljavanja njime od strane ljudi čije nazore i ukus ne delim) do sada izbegavao.

ampak, Play Mistic River For Me je vrlo OK film.
Title: Re: Klint Istvud (Clint Eastwood)
Post by: Will-O'-The-Wisp on 24-01-2010, 16:19:32
Nisam gledao Invictusa, ali jesam slušao album... Virgine Steele.  :D

I ako budeš tražio Thunderbolt and Lightfood, nećeš ga naći, jer je u pitanju moja omaška. Vjerovatno proizvod mojih pokušaja da se okanem teške hrane i zdravije se hranim. Znači, tražiš Thunderbolt and Lightfoot.  xjap xyxy
Title: Re: Klint Istvud (Clint Eastwood)
Post by: Le Samourai on 24-01-2010, 16:25:50
Da elaboriram - pored Bronko Bilija, Klintovi high points su:

A Perfect World
Outlaw Josey Wales
Gran Torino
Play Misty for Me
White Hunter, Black Heart
Breezy
The Gauntlet
Mystic River

onda ide deo nadasve pristojnih filmova, nakon kojeg dolazi tek par koji zaista nisu ono shto bih nazvao dobrim (mada nisu ni skandalozni):

Heartbreak Ridge
Firefox
Letters from Iwo Jima
Space Cowboys

Od glumachkih ostvarenja svakako, pored saradnji sa Zigelom i Leoneom, dominira Beguiled, mozhda chak i najbolji Zigelov film overall (i posebno interesantan za poredjenje sa Antihristom, now that I think about it).
Title: Re: Klint Istvud (Clint Eastwood)
Post by: Ghoul on 24-01-2010, 16:35:50
Quote from: Le Samourai on 24-01-2010, 16:25:50dominira Beguiled, mozhda chak i najbolji Zigelov film overall (i posebno interesantan za poredjenje sa Antihristom, now that I think about it).

ovo si reko samo da bi me naterao da ga repriziram!

ok, ionako sam planiro. ;)
Title: Re: Klint Istvud (Clint Eastwood)
Post by: Le Samourai on 24-01-2010, 16:47:17
I work in mysterious ways. ;)
Title: Re: Klint Istvud (Clint Eastwood)
Post by: Джон Рейнольдс on 24-01-2010, 19:23:34
Beguiled sam gledao, čini mi se, tri puta i svaki put mi je bio sjajan. Ne znam može li se baš nazvati vesternom, ali ajde... Beguiled mi je, uz gore spominjani High Plains Drifter i The Shooting Montija Helmana (ne igra Klint, već Voren Outs i Džek Niklson) na samom vrhu pogledanih vesterna.
Title: Re: Klint Istvud (Clint Eastwood)
Post by: Milosh on 24-01-2010, 19:28:26
Da li je u međuvremenu postalo in ne voleti UNFORGIVEN ili postoji neki drugi razlog zbog čega niko ne spominje ovaj izuzetan film?
Title: Re: Klint Istvud (Clint Eastwood)
Post by: Ghoul on 24-01-2010, 19:33:41
pošto je dobio grdne oskare, njega čuvamo za alexa.
Title: Re: Klint Istvud (Clint Eastwood)
Post by: Will-O'-The-Wisp on 24-01-2010, 20:08:10
Quote from: Milosh on 24-01-2010, 19:28:26
Da li je u međuvremenu postalo in ne voleti UNFORGIVEN ili postoji neki drugi razlog zbog čega niko ne spominje ovaj izuzetan film?

Nije, nego se taj film i Leoneove stvari podrazumijevaju.
Title: Re: Klint Istvud (Clint Eastwood)
Post by: --- on 24-01-2010, 20:11:18
priključujem se obožavanju beguiled
Title: Re: Klint Istvud (Clint Eastwood)
Post by: EKSTREMISTA on 24-01-2010, 20:18:44
Dve mazge za sestru Saru
(https://www.znaksagite.com/diskusije/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.filmski.net%2Fslike%2Fautomatika%2Ffilms%2F2241d.jpg&hash=cbd105d89bc60525f423da35c83c01e123b3a11a)
Title: Re: Klint Istvud (Clint Eastwood)
Post by: marduk on 24-01-2010, 21:21:13
Odgledah Mistik River, i zadovoljan sam. Dah osvrt na istoimenom topiku u ovom podforumu, koga je briga.

@ Will - možeš slobodno da daš svoj negativni sud Reke na pomenutoj temi, reče da ti se nije dopao.
Title: Re: Klint Istvud (Clint Eastwood)
Post by: Alex on 24-01-2010, 21:46:09
Klint Istvud je, objektivno, jedan od najboljih režisera.

Bio je jedan od najpopularnijih i najuspešnijih (po nekima i najboljih) glumaca, ali zahvaljujući, do sada već, solidnom broju vrhunskih režijskih uradaka (mada su dovoljna i 2-3) počeo sam više da ga doživljavam kao reditelja.

Ali prekasno sam se uključio u topik; šta pomenuti - preporučiti što neko već nije?

jel pomenuo neko odličan biografski film o Čarli Parkeru  - Bird iz 1988?

Zlatni globus za režiju ne pominjem da me Ghoul ne ogovara.
Title: Re: Klint Istvud (Clint Eastwood)
Post by: marduk on 24-01-2010, 22:04:37
Quote from: Alex on 24-01-2010, 21:46:09

šta pomenuti - preporučiti što neko već nije?


Pa recimo ove novije njegove filmove, od 2000.pa na ovamo, taj Invictus i Flags... i ostalo "svežije".
Title: Re: Klint Istvud (Clint Eastwood)
Post by: Alex on 24-01-2010, 23:03:23
Letters from Iwo Jima i Flags of Our Fathers preporučujem za gledanje u paketu, jer su to dva lica iste priče. Prvi film je superiorniji, ali nije bitno.
Invictus je već isuviše nov za mene.
Title: Re: Klint Istvud (Clint Eastwood)
Post by: marduk on 25-01-2010, 21:42:26
Vala jes', odgledah THE EIGER SANCTION, stvarno je, što reće Willie, remek-delo - normalno, u fanovskom smislu. Odlična mešavina krimi trilera i alpinizima! Par glumačkih bravura i odlične grudi one indijanke!
Title: Re: Klint Istvud (Clint Eastwood)
Post by: Джон Рейнольдс on 26-01-2010, 00:31:58
Eh, da... Every Which Way But Loose i Any Which Way You Can su filmovi sa Klintom koje treba zaobići u širokom luku. Besmisleni, neduhoviti, dosadni. Zanimljivo, ali Badi Van Horn koji je radio ovaj drugi radio je i Pink Cadillac, takođe veoma slab Klint.
Title: Re: Klint Istvud (Clint Eastwood)
Post by: Alex on 26-01-2010, 00:45:22
Quote from: John Reynolds on 26-01-2010, 00:31:58
Eh, da... Every Which Way But Loose i Any Which Way You Can su filmovi sa Klintom koje treba zaobići u širokom luku. Besmisleni, neduhoviti, dosadni. Zanimljivo, ali Badi Van Horn koji je radio ovaj drugi radio je i Pink Cadillac, takođe veoma slab Klint.

Ne znam koje si godište Džone, ali to su kultni filmovi B produkcije 70-ih, omiljeni i kod domaće publike koja je rado išla u bioskope da gleda Klinta i majmunče. (I kod Baneta Kerca, čiji je svaki muški lik bio pljunuti Klint)

To su bila vremena kad su se Istvud i Bert Rejnolds tokom nekoliko godina smenjivali na prva 2 mesta liste najpopularnijih glumaca. Ne kažem da su pomenuti naslovi i filmovi poput Smoki i bandit, bog zna kako, izdržali test vremena, a nisu ni rađeni sa velikim ambicijama, ali da ih treba izbegavati - nikako (naročito, ako ih neko do sada nije overio).

U emisiji koju sam gledao pre par dana Klint reče kako su mu ovi filmovi posebno dragi.
Title: Re: Klint Istvud (Clint Eastwood)
Post by: Джон Рейнольдс on 26-01-2010, 01:51:43
Odrastao sam na tim filmovima ('70 godište). Klinta i majmuna sam gledao u nekom od bioskopa sa drvenim klupama, kojih je u to vreme u Beogradu bilo više, te se ne sećam koji je tačno bio. Sama činjenica da ih nisam upamtio govorila je dovoljno, a i repriza oba filma (pre desetak godina, TV Pink) potvrdila mi je da ne da ovi nisu izdržali test vremena, nego nikad nisu ni valjali. Po mom mišljenju, naglašavam.

Za razliku od Smokija i bandita ili prve Trke "Kenonbol", recimo, koji su mi zabavni i sad.
Title: Re: Klint Istvud (Clint Eastwood)
Post by: marduk on 26-01-2010, 19:55:38
AH! Posle iljadu godina reprizirah Kellyjeve Junačine! Vala, vrh! Zna li neko gde je ovo tačno (ili otpriike) snimano u Jugi? Film se drži samo tako za svoje godine!
Title: Re: Klint Istvud (Clint Eastwood)
Post by: Ghoul on 28-01-2010, 00:41:19
GRAN TORINO (2008)
CLINT EASTWOOD
USA, 08
***     
3+

(ovaj rivju sadrži spojlere: ne čitaj ako si čeko godinu i po dana i još nisi pogledo film!)

http://ljudska_splacina.com/2010/01/gran-torino-2008.html (http://ljudska_splacina.com/2010/01/gran-torino-2008.html)
Title: Re: Klint Istvud (Clint Eastwood)
Post by: Alex on 28-01-2010, 03:59:37
3++, 3+, 3,  3-, **(*), ***,  3,5 ....   xrotaeye  :x :roll:
Title: Re: Klint Istvud (Clint Eastwood)
Post by: Ghoul on 28-01-2010, 04:58:01
to što ti ne vidiš sistem ne znači da ga nema već samo znači da ti NE VIDIŠ sistem.

***
3
= trojka


***
3+
znači= jaka trojka


***(*)
3+
znači= tri plus


***(*)
4-
= četri minus


****
4-
=slaba četvorka

itd.
Title: Re: Klint Istvud (Clint Eastwood)
Post by: CorwinM on 28-01-2010, 17:19:52
Ako je:

***
3
= trojka


Kako je onda:

****
4-
=slaba četvorka
???
Title: Re: Klint Istvud (Clint Eastwood)
Post by: Ghoul on 28-01-2010, 17:44:51
cifra i zvezdice se uzajamno moduliraju i u spoju ZAJEDNO predstavljaju ocenu.
da nije tako, jedno od njih bilo bi suvišno - tj bilo bi dovoljno ili samo zvezdice ili samo cifre.

dakle, ako uz znake **** stoji cifra 4- onda to znači slaba četvorka, za razliku od ***(*) i cifru 4-, što znači 'četiri minus'.
Title: Re: Klint Istvud (Clint Eastwood)
Post by: marduk on 28-01-2010, 17:52:27
logika pirotske rampe  :!:
Title: Re: Klint Istvud (Clint Eastwood)
Post by: Milosh on 28-01-2010, 17:56:41
Zašto jednostavno kada može komplikovano. :D
Title: Re: Klint Istvud (Clint Eastwood)
Post by: Ygg on 28-01-2010, 20:30:11
Dakle, postoje ocjene:

jedan
jaka jedinica
jedan plus
dva minus
slaba dvojka
dva
jaka dvojka
dva plus
tri minus
slaba trojka
tri
jaka trojka
tri plus
četiri minus
slaba četvorka
četiri
jaka četvorka
četiri plus
pet minus
slaba petica
pet

To je ukupno 21 različitih ocjena. Zašto onda ocjene ne budu cijeli brojevi od 1 do 21? Bilo bi mnogo jednostavnije. :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Klint Istvud (Clint Eastwood)
Post by: Milosh on 28-01-2010, 20:35:50
Zaboravio si slabu jedinicu tj. 1- tj. *, kao i jedan minus tj. 1- tj. (*) za one najgore filmove; mada, ko zna, možda postoji i jaka nula! :lol:
Title: Re: Klint Istvud (Clint Eastwood)
Post by: Ghoul on 28-01-2010, 20:37:02
postoji i jedan minus.
s tom ocenom, ima ih ukupno 22.

prema tome, kad ste već toliki smarači, pomišljam da uvedem tarot karte umesto ocena.

GHOUL TAROT - tj. Ghoulova Velika Arkana!
Title: Re: Klint Istvud (Clint Eastwood)
Post by: Milosh on 28-01-2010, 20:49:34
Quote from: Ghoul on 28-01-2010, 20:37:02postoji i jedan minus.
s tom ocenom, ima ih ukupno 22.

23!
Ako postoji jedan minus onda mora da postoji i slaba jedinica, budi dosledan kao što smo mi dosadni!
Title: Re: Klint Istvud (Clint Eastwood)
Post by: Джон Рейнольдс on 28-01-2010, 20:56:17
Okači spisak slabih jedinica i jedan minusa!
Title: Re: Klint Istvud (Clint Eastwood)
Post by: Tex Murphy on 28-01-2010, 20:58:04
OUTLAW JOSEY WALES! Najbolji vestern EVER!!!
Title: Re: Klint Istvud (Clint Eastwood)
Post by: Ghoul on 28-01-2010, 21:03:34
1- se retko daje, baš kao i 5-.

neki primeri:
RED SANDS
A. WINTER
(*)        1-

RETURN OF THE LIVING DEAD 4 – NECROPOLIS
E. Elkayem
(*)         -1

THE WITCH WHO CAME FROM THE SEA
M. Cimber
(*)        1-

DELIRIO CALDO
(*)        1-

BROTHERHOOD OF SATAN
B. McEveety
(*)        1-

TAMARA
(*)         1-

THE WARNING
G. Clark
(*)        1-

Title: Re: Klint Istvud (Clint Eastwood)
Post by: Tex Murphy on 28-01-2010, 21:05:21
Gledo sam samo taj nesretni Return of the Living Dead 4, uistinu grozan film.
Title: Re: Klint Istvud (Clint Eastwood)
Post by: marduk on 28-01-2010, 21:15:16
Pokvariste krasnu temu s ti minusi i plusevi! Mrš' napolje!
Title: Re: Klint Istvud (Clint Eastwood)
Post by: Джон Рейнольдс on 29-01-2010, 00:42:27
Warning?!? Sa Džekom Palansom? Pa to je remek-delo!

EJLIJEN! EJLIJEN! EJLIJEN!

:!:
Title: Re: Klint Istvud (Clint Eastwood)
Post by: Son of Man on 31-01-2010, 00:13:25
Odlican topik, nisam gledo vecinu ovih Istvudovih, dajte jos ovakih topika sa dobrim a opet obicnim filmovima poput ovih... :!:
Title: Re: Klint Istvud (Clint Eastwood)
Post by: Franz Xaver von Baader on 11-02-2010, 13:04:55
Thr Beguiled i Play Misty su slabašni
Coogan's je na trenutke zabavan (zbog lika kojega tumači Eastwood - klasični žilavi tip, njegov omiljeni lik), ali je u globalu dosadnjikav i bedast (zanimljiviji postaje tek kada ga učitam kao Ponoćnog kauboja prije Ponoćnog kauboja)
Breezy je dosadno, Eiger poludosadno
ratni filmovi također tu negdje

najbolji su High Plains Drifter, Josey Wales i Pale Rider. i naravno Unforgiven
Prljavi Harry je klasika, Gauntlet zabavnije od Coogana
Honkytonk Man spada u vrh, White Hunter u sredinu
Gran Torino vrh, Mystic River sredina
Milion Dollar se može skroz lako zaobići
Every Which Wayevi su ultra zabavni i bolji Eastwoodi, a ovaj koji ih omalovažava nema ukusa ni snage ni pameti ni živaca
Thunderbolt vrh
Blood Work solidno

sve u svemu, SVI Eastwoodi su gledljivi, čak i ovi dosadni
Title: Re: Klint Istvud (Clint Eastwood)
Post by: Kunac on 13-09-2010, 16:17:01
Pojavio se trejler za HEREAFTER, novi film Klinta Istvuda... Ovoga puta je u pitanju natprirodni triler sa, reklo bi se, primesama horora.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VteflOtbkzU

Meni ovo deluje prilično dobro, a i kast je odličan::: Matt Damon, Bryce Dallas Howard i Cécile De France (možda je Istvud fan Krvave romanse, nikad se ne zna).

Title: Re: Klint Istvud (Clint Eastwood)
Post by: Plut on 13-09-2010, 16:22:45
Deluje zanimljivo, ali trejler je ipak samo trejler. Uvek su napucani, uvek frka i... ništa im ne verujem. No, i Klint je ipak Klint, možda ovaj put ne lažu.
Title: Re: Klint Istvud (Clint Eastwood)
Post by: Kunac on 14-09-2010, 01:17:11
Uz to, izgleda da je kesa ovoga puta dobrano odrešena. Sagement sa cunamijem  izgleda baš spektakularno.
Title: Re: Klint Istvud (Clint Eastwood)
Post by: cutter on 14-09-2010, 08:18:47
spektakularno loše. postoji toliko dramatičnog, dokumentarnog materijala za primer, a oni prikažu turbo plimu prosečnog filma katastrofe...
Title: Re: Klint Istvud (Clint Eastwood)
Post by: Kunac on 14-09-2010, 09:42:12
Loše? I don't think so. Uz to, ne kapiram o kakvom to dokumentarnom materijalu govoriš... Ovo je igrani film.
Title: Re: Klint Istvud (Clint Eastwood)
Post by: cutter on 14-09-2010, 09:57:11
pretpostavljam da se one scene odigravaju na tajlandu, a pošto postoji dosta snimaka sa npr phuketa onda taj dokumentarni materijal može poslužiti kao uzor (tj primer) za scene iz filma. ako se već radi o trileru, ne vidim kako prolivanje okeana koje liči na retardiranog posinka deep impacta i 2012 može trilovati kao neumoljiva tečna masa daski, pruća, mulja koja nije cepala drveće poput sibirskog berberina već je gutala slabije organizme. možda previše tražim od filma u kome neko bez ironije ima sposobnost da razgovara sa mrtvima.  :x ne znam je li to klinta u zimi života stigla zapitanost za onostrano i ne znam ko je dozvolio ceciliji da se ne ošiša.

podsetih se snimka.

Banda Ache Tsunami (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoQkplXJalk#)

Title: Re: Klint Istvud (Clint Eastwood)
Post by: Kunac on 14-09-2010, 12:37:42
Ovo u trejleru je udar u blizini obale, tako da sve izgleda brže i "čistije". Snimak koji si ti postovao prikazuje šta se događa kad talas počne da gubi snagu... U svakom slučaju, trejer je trejler a film je film. Kada novi Istvud stigne u bioskope, videćemo kako je ispalo. On je i ranije radio trilere ali mislim da je ovo prvi supernatural film koji režira. Možda ispadne bezveze, ali ja ne bih staru kajlu tako lako otpisivao.
Title: Re: Klint Istvud (Clint Eastwood)
Post by: Plut on 14-09-2010, 12:51:09
Ne, ne njega nikako ne treba olako otpisivati.
Title: Re: Klint Istvud (Clint Eastwood)
Post by: cutter on 14-09-2010, 13:01:38
^^
zapravo, u trejleru je i onaj deo kada voda nadire na korzo obarajući drveće kao domine. u pravom snimku je sličan seting, i tu bujica na momente ide zaista brzo, kada se slije u levak iz sporednih džepova koji su napunjeni s obale. ali svakako taj prvi obalni udar ne izgleda kao da je neko prolio superbrzu vodu koja instant naplavi ekran već se razbija o plažu, zidine hotela, zatim ponešto popusti pa tu nagrne brže... onih par sekundi prosto izgledaju kao da se tu istvud nije mnogo mešao u svoj posao.
Title: Re: Klint Istvud (Clint Eastwood)
Post by: Kunac on 14-09-2010, 19:59:40
Verujem da će uverljivost/neuverljivost cunamija biti najmanje bitan aspekt ovog filma.
Title: Re: Klint Istvud (Clint Eastwood)
Post by: cutter on 14-09-2010, 22:49:35
verujem, ali ja sam govorio o trejleru čiji je to pozamašan komad.
Title: Re: Klint Istvud (Clint Eastwood)
Post by: Kunac on 15-09-2010, 00:28:13
Cunami je money shot, that's for sure. Bili bi ludi da ga nisu iskoristili u trejleru. Opet, ovo nije film katastrofe ili film o elementarnim nepogodama tako da je u zbiru manje bitan.

Pristigli su i prvi prikazi...

Variety:

Clint Eastwood moves into risky new territory with old-fashioned grace and sturdy classical filmmaking in "Hereafter." An uneven but absorbing triptych of stories concerning the bonds between the living and the dead, the 80-year-old filmmaker's latest feature is a beguiling blend of the audacious and the familiar; it dances right on the edge of the ridiculous and at times even crosses over, but is armored against risibility by its deep pockets of emotion, sly humor and matter-of-fact approach to the fantastical. Oct. 22 release may divide even Eastwood partisans, but the intriguing supernatural angle should help generate positive B.O. readings.

The screenplay by Peter Morgan (taking a break from dramatizing the lives of British celebrities) quickly establishes three parallel narratives, the first of which kicks off in disaster-movie mode: French TV journalist Marie LeLay (Cecile de France) is vacationing in the tropics with b.f. Didier (Thierry Neuvic) when the 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami hits. Borne along by the rapidly moving tides, rendered with inexpert visual effects but a vivid sense of peril, Marie hits her head, blacks out and has an otherworldly vision -- all blinding white light and ghostly silhouettes -- before regaining consciousness.

Meanwhile, in San Francisco, construction worker George Lonegan (Matt Damon) tries to repress his apparently genuine psychic gift, fending off requests from acquaintances and strangers hoping to communicate with their lost loved ones. Finally, in London, young twin brothers Marcus and Jason (played interchangeably by George and Frankie McLaren) try to ward off social services by covering up for their alcoholic mother, yielding unexpectedly tragic consequences.

Eastwood allows each of these stories to develop in unhurried fashion, always keeping the specter of death hovering in the background. Marie returns to Paris but has trouble readjusting to her job after her traumatic experience, while one of the boys, Marcus, becomes eerily obsessed with psychic phenomena. And George, in an unusually charming development, joins an Italian cooking class (taught by Steven R. Schirripa, boisterously channeling Emeril Lagasse), where he's paired with a beautiful stranger, Melanie (Bryce Dallas Howard).

The question that propels "Hereafter" is how these three yarns will eventually converge (the answer: creakily), and on the face of it, this fractured, globe-trotting tale of fate and mortality bears a strong resemblance to the work of scribe Guillermo Arriaga, specifically "Babel." But while the film trades in too many coincidences -- suffice it to say the tsunami is not the only real-world disaster invoked -- the mitigating charm of Eastwood's approach is how subdued, unportentous and laid-back it is. He seems in no hurry to establish the missing links, trusting us to engage with the characters before we know exactly how they fit together.

As though aware of the raised eyebrows that may greet his borderline-schlocky choice of material, Eastwood pauses midway through to register a healthy measure of skepticism; a montage shows one character consulting a series of psychics, every one of them a charlatan. Even still, we're meant to take it on faith that Damon's George is the real deal (his gifts are even given a biological explanation), and the film presents his frequent glimpses of the netherworld -- similar to Marie's near-death visions -- in an unquestioning manner that viewers will have to either accept or reject.

As unabashedly suffused with emotion as any of Eastwood's films, "Hereafter" is finally less interested in addressing life's great mysteries than in offering viewers the soothing balm of catharsis; the portal to the beyond, as conceived here, serves merely as a practical gateway into inner peace, romantic renewal and, most consolingly, the reassurance that our loved ones never leave us. This sentiment is conveyed when George reluctantly performs a reading for Melanie, all the more powerful for its apparent disconnection from the rest of the story.

The fact that much of the film is set in Europe lends it a unique look and texture in the helmer's oeuvre; Tom Stern's camera at times pulls back to take in the varied landscapes, but bathes many of the interiors in his customary inky blacks, the intense chiaroscuro serving to up the hushed, spiritual quality of the film's most intimate moments. As usual, Eastwood's score is a tad overinsistent if melodically spare, its few notes reiterated on various instruments (including piano, guitar and harmonica), and supplemented here by snippets of Rachmaninoff.

Damon and de France (toplining her first major studio picture) are sympathetic enough as characters who are more or less at the mercy of the cosmos, while the brothers McLaren eventually cast off their Dickensian-moppet shackles, particularly in the final reel. But it's Howard whose relatively brief presence really lingers, her performance starting off goofy and ingratiating before taking on an almost otherworldly intensity.

Camera (Technicolor prints, Panavision widescreen), Tom Stern; editors, Joel Cox, Gary D. Roach; music, Eastwood; production designer, James J. Murakami; supervising art director, Patrick Sullivan; set decorator, Gary Fettis; costume designer, Deborah Hopper; sound (Dolby Digital/DTS/SDDS), Walt Martin; supervising sound editors, Alan Robert Murray, Bub Asman; re-recording mixers, John Reitz, Gregg Rudloff; visual effects supervisor, Michael Owens; stunt coordinators, Rob Inch, B.L. Richmond, Thom Williams; assistant director, David M. Bernstein; casting, Fiona Weir. Reviewed at Toronto Film Festival (Special Presentations), Sept. 11, 2010. (Also in New York Film Festival -- closer.) MPAA Rating: PG-13. Running time: 129 MIN.


With: Lyndsey Marshal, Richard Kind, Steven R. Schirripa, Jenifer Lewis. (English, French dialogue)


Contact Justin Chang at justin.chang@variety.com.
Date in print: Mon., Sep. 13, 2010


Roger Ebert:

Clint Eastwood's Hereafter considers the possibility of an afterlife with tenderness, beauty and a gentle tact. I was surprised how enthralling I found it. I don't believe in woo-woo, but there's no woo-woo anywhere to be seen. It doesn't even properly suppose an afterlife, but only the possibility of consciousness after apparent death. This is plausible. Many near-death survivors report the same memories, of the white light, the waiting figures and a feeling of peace.

The subject lends itself to sensationalizing and psychic baloney. Eastwood has made a film for sensitive, intelligent people who are naturally curious about what happens when the shutters close. He tells three primary stories. Their three central characters meet at the end, but please don't leap to conclusions. This is not one of those package endings where all the threads come together in a Coincidence that makes everything clear. They meet in a perfectly explicable and possible way, they behave as we feel they might, and everything isn't tied up neatly. Instead, possibilities are left open in this world, which is as it should be, because we must live the lives we know and not count on there being anything beyond the horizon.

I said the film was made with tact. It is made with the reserve, the reluctance to take obvious emotional shortcuts, that is a hallmark of Eastwood as a filmmaker. This is the film of a man at peace. He has nothing to prove except his care for the story. The original screenplay is by Peter Morgan (who doesn't, Eastwood told me, believe in psychic powers). He gives us Matt Damon as a man who seems actually able to have communication with the dead, but has fled that ability and taken a low-profile job; Cecile de France as Marie, a newsreader on French television; Bryce Dallas Howard as a young cooking student with a fearful dark place inside; Richard Kind as a man mourning his wife; and Frankie McLaren as Marcus, a young boy whose twin brother has been struck by a truck and killed.

I won't describe here the traumatic surprises some of them have. In its surprises as in everything else, "Hereafter" is calmly believable. There are terrifying events, but not the manufactured ones common in lesser films. Eastwood handles them not for sensation but for realism. They lead to experiences that create powerful notions that something -- the movie doesn't declare precisely what -- happens after death. The powers of the Damon character seem to be authentic, although what they prove is hard to say. There is a moment handled with love and delicacy in which he says something that is either true or isn't, but is a kindness either way.

Eastwood and his actors achieve a tone that never forces the material but embraces it. It is never dreamlike, but it could be described as evoking a reverie state. These people are not hurtling toward the resolution of a plot. There is no "solution" to their stories. There are various degrees of solace, or not. They don't punch the dialogue. They don't "act." They lack the certainty to impose themselves. Damon in particular is reserved and sad, because of a power that has become a burden to him. "Hereafter" is unlike any film Clint Eastwood has ever made, but you'd think he'd been preparing it for years.