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PTY

Ma sad bi nešto rekla ali ne smem, Jor bi mi verovatno lupio čvrgu ili dve...  :cry:

Ghoul

nadam se da nema veze sa jorovim fetišom prema valjanju u blatu? i kačenju o lustere?  :P
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taurus-jor

Teško je jesti govna a nemati iluzije.

http://godineumagli.blogspot.com

PTY

Jore, ja se tu kao nešto osvrćem na tvoje ondašnje iz podruma osvrte na rimejke Romera i tako to... enivej, ništa važno a ni koherentno...  az južual...  :cry:

Nego, ako već treba da se bijemo, da bar imamo rašta – evo malko neosnovanog i krajnje uvredljivog poređivanja:
Meni se čini da je Romero za hororiste ono što je Asimov za esefovce; neka vrst svete krave. Što nije samo po sebi uvredljivo, da se razumemo; to mu dođe u prevodu na kulturni jezik nešto kao velikan rane faze žanra ili tu i tako nešto...

Ali problem nastaje kad se na njih čovek osvrne iz nešto kasnije perspektive, ili kad – ko u slučaju Romera – se oni sami trude da u toj istoj poznoj perspektivi i dalje funkcionišu. Što baš i ne ide. Mislim, uzmimo za primer samo Starwars prikvele pa imamo point pruven i adijolipaMare. Pa još kada te svete krave izbace fiksnu ideju koja se ne može ni laterarno šaflovati a kamoli evoluirati – jer, šta ćeš ti sad sa tim robotima pored ona tri famozna zakona i šta ćeš sa zombijima van famoznog teturanja i griženja živih ljudi – onda ti od njih nikakve vajde nema nego unutar perspektivne u kojoj su originalna dela originalno nastala. Sve drugo je inci-minci nerelevantna nostalgija na tebe i na vreme kad si bio mlad i lep i novak u žanru. I to ti je to.  


e da, skoro zaboravih: peace, brothers...     :arrow:  :lol:

taurus-jor

Romeru se desilo isto sto i Lukasu - postao je rob univerzuma koji je stvorio. I jedan i drugi su pokushali da rade neshto drugo van zombi/Star Wars miljea (Lukas je producirao, Romero  snimao Knightriders, Monkey Shines, The Dark Half, Bruiser) a onda su zakljucili da che najbolje zaraditi ako ono prvo prepakuju/nastave/prikveluju. U svojim miljeima (velicina produkcije, obim distribucije) obojica su tada dozivela komercijalnu renesansu. Umetnicki dok medjutim jok.
Teško je jesti govna a nemati iluzije.

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Plissken

Romero nema prepoznatljiv stil, rezira industrijski, pravi filmove montazno, lisen je vizuelnog stila, ne kazem da ga nema u potpunosti, ali ga nema dovoljno da vizeulno filmove uzdigne na visi nivo od samih scenarija, a to su recimo i Karpenter i Huper radili cesto. Tako da je Romero blizi Krejvenu, koji je imao daleko vise srece sa odlicnim scenarijima. Dzord je ostao zarobljen u stupidnom zombi podzanru koji se tokom  godina isprofanisao...

Romero je u stvari najbitniji kao figura koja je inspirisala prave horor velikane da prave remek-dela sa izuzetno malim budzetima.

Nemojte me pogresno razumeti, NOTLD i DOFD...pa i Day izuzetno volim!

P.s. Najbolji zombi filmovi svih vremena:

Dead and Buried i Return Of The Living Dead
Can't argue with a confident man.

Tex Murphy

QuoteDead and Buried

:!:

Inače, ne bih baš rekao da je Krejvn imao "sreće" sa dobrim scenarijima. Uglavnom ih je sam pisao. Mislim dobro, napisao je i onu katastrofu Last House on the Left, a Scream je tuđi scenario, ali izuzimajući te izuzetke može se reći da su njegovi vlastiti scenariji bili bolji od tuđih.
Genetski četnik

Novi smakosvjetovni blog!

Plissken

Imao je srece sto je napisao dobra scenaria.
Can't argue with a confident man.

Ghoul

Quote from: "Plissken"Imao je srece sto je napisao dobra scenaria.

IA IA IA SHUB NIGGURATH!!! IA IA IA KATULU FATAGN!

nego ne lupajte, bre, krejven je VRLO dobar reditelj, kad se vremenom naučio, dakle, počev od STRAVE, pa onda ZMIJA I DUGA, pa SCREAM sve su to ODLIČNO napravljeni, a ne samo napisani, filmovi!

avaj, to što kaže plissken za romera umnogome STOJI. :cry:  on je vrlo dosadan reditelj, i zanimljiv je samo onoliko koliko mu je scenario dobar. a najčešće su slabi... ili nedokuvani...
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Tex Murphy

Ništa ja nisam rekao, Pliskin je napao Krejvena, a ja sam samo primijetio da je on uglavnom pisao scenarije za svoje filmove.

QuoteRomero nema prepoznatljiv stil, rezira industrijski, pravi filmove montazno, lisen je vizuelnog stila, ne kazem da ga nema u potpunosti, ali ga nema dovoljno da vizeulno filmove uzdigne na visi nivo od samih scenarija, a to su recimo i Karpenter i Huper radili cesto. Tako da je Romero blizi Krejvenu,

Ovo je već pretjerano stručna rasprava koja zalazi mnooooogo dublje nego moje površno poznavanje filma, te se stoga o tome nisam izjašnjavao.
Genetski četnik

Novi smakosvjetovni blog!

PTY

Cthulhu fhtagn, Cthulhu fhtagn! Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!!!!!!!!!

(mislim, stvaaarno...!! ni lazanju da sažvačem od smeja!! )
:D

Plissken

Quote from: "Plissken"ali ga nema dovoljno da vizeulno filmove uzdigne na visi nivo od samih scenarija

ps. Krejvena neuporedivo vise cenim od Romera. Pre jedno mesec dana sam sanjao da se upoznajem sa Krejvenom i to u nekom skucenom podrumu, koji je bio osvetljen samo ljubicastim, fluoroscentnim neonkama?!
Can't argue with a confident man.

ginger toxiqo 2 gafotas

Brus Ferguson, policijski poručnik, nabavio je veću količinu motornih testera, u slučaju da zombiji napadnu njegov grad Lensing, u Mičigenu. ,,Već nekoliko godina se pripremamo za razne katastrofe i vežbamo", kaže Ferguson. ,,Građani se mogu osećati bezbedno. Ako nas napadnu zombiji, znamo kako ćemo zatvoriti ulice. A imamo i motorne testere. Ako se čopor zombija približi našem gradu, zatvorićemo ulaze u grad, tako da će ga promašiti."
"...get your kicks all around the world, give a tip to a geisha-girl..."

angel011

A da li možda i podučavaju ljude kako da se odbrane od napada bananom?
We're all mad here.

crippled_avenger

Voltage to start pre-sales on Romero's Diary sequel
Jeremy Kay in Los Angeles
31 Oct 2007 05:00

 

Artfire Films and Romero-Grunwald Productions have greenlit a sequel to George A Romero's Dairy Of The Dead hot on the heels of the film's successful premiere in Toronto.

Voltage Pictures will commence international pre-sales at AFM. Cinetic Media will handle domestic rights, as it did on Diary.

The Weinstein Company snapped up Diary in Toronto and the independent production virtually sold out overseas through Voltage Pictures.

Romero will direct the sequel from his own screenplay, which picks up from where Diary left off as survivors of a mysterious zombie outbreak unknowingly flee to a remote island populated by the undead.

Filming is set to begin in spring 2008 with Peter Grunwald producing alongside Artfire Films' Artur Spigel and Ara Katz. Executive producers are Dan Fireman of Artfire and Sam Englebardt.

"The reception for Diary has been really gratifying," Romero said. "We had a great team on that film and it's exciting to have the opportunity to keep everyone together and hit the ground running again."

"We're extremely pleased to work again with George Romero, Peter Grunwald, Art Spigel and Ara Katz," Chartier said. "Making zombie movies with them is a no-brainer!
Nema potrebe da zalis me, mene je vec sram
Nema potrebe da hvalis me, dobro ja to znam

Ghoul

DIARY OF THE DEAD, George A. Romero's (by all accounts) triumphant return to zombie territory, will open February 15 from the Weinstein Company; as of now, that puts it up against the debut of Warner Independent's FUNNY GAMES. :!:  :P  :(
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Kunac

Konačno! Trailer!

http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/news/10879

EDIT: Plus, Romero raspisuje konkurs sa kratki horror film!

"zombi je mali žuti cvet"

Kunac

"zombi je mali žuti cvet"

Meho Krljic

:lol:

Ne izgleda rđavo, ali da li je to dovoljno?

Ghoul

Quote from: "Meho Krljic":lol:

Ne izgleda rđavo, ali da li je to dovoljno?

otkad si pa ti postao tako probirljiv? :shock:
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Meho Krljic


Kunac

Kako su nekada pevali Cardigansi, RiSe and SHiNE My SiSTER!


"zombi je mali žuti cvet"

Alexdelarge

Dear diary,

I saw George Romero's new movie DIARY OF THE DEAD. It's basically "NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD meets BLAIR WITCH PROJECT" or "CLOVERFIELD with zombies" or "CANNIBAL HOLOCAUST - cannibal + zombies but not ZOMBIE HOLOCAUST." It's not a sequel to the living dead movies but kind of a do-over with the zombie plague beginning in the present day and depicted in documentary form. Some film students are working on a crappy mummy movie (come on George, this is 2008, only Rob Cohen makes mummy movies) when they start hearing news about the dead coming back to life, and their director is compelled to keep filming. We're told at the beginning of the movie that his footage was edited by another character along with clips they downloaded from youtube, some news and security cam footage. Also she admits that she added music. And, I'm afraid, she narrates it.

I feel bad saying this but since nobody is reading this and it's only a diary I will come out and say it: this movie isn't very good. I enjoyed watching it and will list many of the good things about it right here on these pages, in the interest of balance. And in case Harry reads this because he got real mad at Quint for not liking it and I pretty much agree with everything in Quint's review. But in my deepest, most personal secret opinion this is a failed experiment for old George.

This is Romero back doing low budget independent movies, but it looks real nice. Especially in the parts that show the larger world outside of the documentary, the clips from the news and youtube where there is total chaos going on, cars crashing into each other, zombies hanging on nooses from freeway overpasses, and various madness. In NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD the characters were constantly trying to listen to news reports to get some kind of information about what's going on. In DIARY we see news reports (sometimes edited to hide the truth), we hear talk radio, CBs, all kinds of communication. All those different fuzzy broadcasts add a realistic texture to the movie and I think Romero is right that if something like this were to happen now (God forbid, because I bet it would be a huge pain the ass) the young people would in fact be the ones spreading information about what's going on. Because they have all their god damn cell phones and little handheld video games and all that stupid shit they always play with, and they spell worse than me because they write in some kind of moronic gibberish from writing on phones and they also wear their pants too tight now and wear those white belts and they look almost as stupid as their older brothers did wearing those giant clown pants.

In CLOVERFIELD you had to kind of accept that they would keep filming for some reason, in this one it's actually a major theme and a point of contention for the characters. The other characters kind of think this guy is crazy, even an asshole, for having to tape everything. They get mad and sarcastically offer to re-enact things that happened off camera because "it didn't really happen if it was off camera, did it?" In one scene they're exploring a dangerous zombified hospital and he stays behind because his battery is dead and he needs to plug into the wall. Dude, that's when you know you have a problem.

So for Romero the documentary format is not just a gimmick, he's trying to say something. And I like that. The problem is that there is no subtlety involved. This movie is corny and preachy even for Romero. In his best movies he's willing to let the points come across in the story, in this one he has somebody narrating them, and that's just hard to take. The last shot of the movie is a really disturbing and powerful image, and if it was left to speak for itself I think people would be able to find a good interpretation of it. Instead we hear this character narrating about her disappointment in humanity, making a point that is earned in the other Dead movies, but not in this one. And even if he wasn't hammering it too hard, any movie that has somebody repeatedly narrating about "bloggers" and "uploading" and even "hackers" is gonna make me squirm.

(You know, even in real documentaries I prefer no narration. More than anything this movie proves that film schools should teach about the Maysles Brothers in the first semester in case zombie holocaust breaks out before they get to that shit.)

Here's an example of the kind of thing that bothered me. There's a scene late in the movie where, by weird coincidence, the scene we saw them filming for their mummy movie is sort of re-enacted. Only this time the mummy is a real zombie chasing the same girl for real. You think a ha, clever, until the girl actually says something like "This is just like in your stupid mummy movie!" Come on George. I guess you're making this for the brain damaged cell phone generation, but what about me? Can you make a version where I don't have to be talked down to like that?

Also, these characters don't look like real people, they look like movie characters. One is a blonde model type with cleavage, which is intentional because she's the star of their movie. (wow, bout time somebody stuck it to the blond bimbos who starred in horror movies 25 years ago. Way to hit 'em where it hurts, George.) But the others don't look like regular people either and the documentary format just emphasizes their phoniness. They're mostly college students but for variety they happen to have their professor with them, and he's a ridiculously cliched prick whose character is mostly just that he has an accent (to show he's a snob) and that he swigs from a flask all the time (because he feels guilty for not teaching them about the Maysles Brothers). Fortunately later he gets a bow and arrow so he mostly shuts up and shoots arrows, then all the sudden he seems more worthwhile. Bows and arrows have made a comeback between THE HOST, RAMBO and this. Way to go bows and arrows, it's been a long time coming.

The sad thing is that there are some much more interesting characters in the movie, they just don't appear for very long. I don't want to go into too much specifics because somebody might steal my diary and read it and the movie would be spoiled and they would deserve it for reading my private review of this movie however I believe the Lord would ask that I still not give it away. Leviticus, page 3, lower right corner. So I will just say that there is an Amish character who is great, but only appears in the movie briefly. And one of the best parts of the movie is when they come across some "looters" who have a great set-up in a warehouse, a much more organized operation than we've seen in previous Dead movies. Their leader has a strong presence and you kind of wish you could just follow them and find out what happens to them instead of the college kids.

I'm not sure how other people will react to this movie. I have been called a moron more than once for liking LAND OF THE DEAD. So if my standards are low for liking that one, and this new one didn't cut it, it must be pretty bad, right? On the other hand I've seen so many rave reviews and many of them mentioned that thank God it was way better than LAND OF THE DEAD. So your mileage may vary. Some restrictions apply.

To try to figure out the score here I went back and watched LAND again. I guess now that I've seen it a few times and now that it's not a fresh bite of Romero zombies after a decades long drought it's easier to see the flaws. On DVD the digital stuff is way more noticeable than it was on that first viewing, and with the stylized landscapes they show sometimes it just has a less raw, more artificial look than the others in the series. And as funny as Dennis Hopper is in parts of it, he is clearly Dennis Hopper. It feels more like a Hollywood movie than the other ones do. And one thing that really stuck out more than it used to for me was how many of the themes have to be underlined by the characters in the dialogue.

I think the problem there stems back to DAWN OF THE DEAD. Romero thought the line about why the zombies came to the mall was too obvious. (I think it's fine.) He recently told the Fangoria horror magazine that he thought "I may have hammered the point home too obviously" so in trying to make up for that in DAY OF THE DEAD "I went the other way and was too subtle with my themes of paranoia and mistrust." So I guess now he's swinging the other way and making these movies less subtle than ever. Just to be safe.

To me it was a much bigger problem in DIARY. It's bad enough when the dialogue is too obvious but when the person is actually narrating, directly talking to the audience, it goes into corniness overdrive.

And LAND added so many new details to the world. The organized crews of soldiers going out scavenging. The use of fireworks to distract the zombies (something that works literally and as symbolism). The rich people who've been able to be so sheltered they just scream when zombies show up. And I know alot of people hate it, but I like that Romero actually moved forward with the story of the zombies. He didn't just repeat himself, he added this element of the zombies beginning to learn even more than they did in DAY OF THE DEAD. Learning not to be distracted by the pretty lights in the air, instead following the pretty lights on the Fiddler's Green tower. Some of them are real characters with their own subplot. Okay, I could do without Tom Savini doing fight moves in his zombie cameo, but most of it works for me.

Since DIARY is skipping back to the beginning, there's not as much progress. It's mostly just variations on what Romero's done before, and not shown in much detail. I loved seeing how organized the guys in the warehouse were, but whenever something like that comes up the story just gives you a glimpse and then moves on.

Maybe part of the problem is that I don't really want to see the beginning again. How many fucking beginnings do we need? He began it perfectly in 1968. One of the reasons DAWN and DAY are so great is because they begin and end in that world of chaos. There's no status quo at the beginning or the end.

But also when you just look at the basic elements of the movie I don't think it delivers the way the best Romero movies do. For example, I don't like the main characters very much. I don't even hate them like I do Rhodes in DAY OF THE DEAD. They're pretty forgettable. Except for the Amish dude. And every flaw in their characters or every fake thing they do is amplified by the "diary" gimmick. For example, the scene where the computer expert (you will recognize him, because he has glasses) types a few keys in a lap top to tap into the security cameras so they can get some alternate angles for their documentary - that shit would be laughable in LAND OF THE DEAD, but it's double-laughable when it's shot like a documentary and your brain is trying to play along with the idea of it being reality. I'm not even sure what Romero is trying to pull here exactly because he even said in that Fangoria article that he wasn't trying for realism. "My style is arch and theatrical, where BLAIR WITCH went for ultra-realism. I'm trying to maintain the artifice and make potent comments about the observer--while still supplying lots of nasty zombie stuff." Okay, sounds good. I don't get it though.

You know what? Here's what it is. If you watch NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD, DAWN OF THE DEAD or DAY OF THE DEAD, you don't even have to get any meaning out of them. They are still some of the most kickass horror movies you've ever seen. And then behind all the mechanics of surviving disaster, of creative ghoul mayhem and spectacular special effects, there are all these interesting things being communicated about human nature and about the world and what not. If you're interested.

In this movie you get a fun horror movie, but not as kickass as those other three by any stretch of the imagination. And covering some pretty similar territory. And then you get the commentary too, but it's poking through the horror movie surface in about ten or fifteen different spots, reaching out trying to nudge you. So the balance is completely off. And some of it's material that has been covered in alot of other movies and that I kind of would rather not hear about anymore, especially in the form of a fake student film. Even if there are zombies.

In fact, I must admit, I'm even kind of sick of hearing about zombies. Yes, they are great. Shut the fuck up about them, nerds. Let's keep it a silent thing, never said out loud. Don't ever talk to me about zombie this and zombie that. Just look at me, nod, I will nod back. Everything is understood. Also, Romero should be the only one allowed to make zombie movies for the next ten years. Otherwise we're on a moratorium here fellas. Thank you for your cooperation.

So those are some pretty fundamental problems that some people won't be able to get past. I mean, if you had a problem with LAND OF THE DEAD I can't see being more forgiving of this. But if you did like LAND OF THE DEAD like I did I think this is at least worth checking out, if you can lower your expectations. There is plenty of good zombie fun, lots of clever zombie mutilations and some cool new twists on how people deal with them. There are a few too many digital head shots for my tastes (I want real fake blood) but for the most part the effects are good, the zombies look cool and really do seem inhuman. That's is one thing Romero will never forget how to do. The guy works well with ghouls.

I hate to say it diary. Romero is one of my favorite directors. I'm so glad that he's making independent movies again, and zombie movies. But the truth is, I enjoyed it, but I don't think it's very good. And I really wanted it to be good. I think people are yearning to be blown away by a new Romero masterpiece. BUT DO WE REALLY DESERVE ONE?

well, gotta go record myself reading this on my cell cam so I can upload it on youtube for all the bloggers and hackers to download for their blogs

--Vern
moj se postupak čitanja sastoji u visokoobdarenom prelistavanju.

srpski film je remek-delo koje treba da dobije sve prve nagrade.

Kler_Vojant

Aaaaaa, kol'ko mi se gleda ovo sranje  :cry:

Kler_Vojant

Procureo je polugledljiv cam.
Umereno ugodno,ukoliko ste sposobni da se u mislima ne vrecate na notld.

ginger toxiqo 2 gafotas

...rano jutros se na RS ponudi pojavio, a ja upravo skinuo i raspakovao, DIARY OF THE DEAD, dvd rip...proverio sam - odličan kvalitet i slike i zvuka...
"...get your kicks all around the world, give a tip to a geisha-girl..."

Shozo Hirono

I ja sam,pa ko ga prvi overi !!! :evil:

ginger toxiqo 2 gafotas

...ja sam već dogovorio screening u odličnom društvu za ponedeljak, tako da, pretpostavljam, willingly gubim u nadmetanju koje nisam ni želeo...
"...get your kicks all around the world, give a tip to a geisha-girl..."

Kunac

Quote from: "ginger toxiqo 2 gafotas"...ja sam već dogovorio screening u odličnom društvu za ponedeljak, tako da, pretpostavljam, willingly gubim u nadmetanju koje nisam ni želeo...
Računaj na mene! :!:
"zombi je mali žuti cvet"

pejcina


cutter



Shozo Hirono

Diary of the Dead (2007) George A.Romero ***

Prilicno razocaravajuce od velikog maga horora,i pad u odnosu i na prethodnika Land of....Gubljenje podkontexta i prikazivanje istine o ljudima i svetu u kome zivimo,prikazano transparentno sa odredjenom dozom simbolike,a kroz oko kamere u ruci jednog od glavnih likova,je daleko od cuvenih Romerovih Noci i Zora,kada je on bio verovatno mnogo manje ogorcen,a mnogo vise otvoren.
Romero ne uspeva da ubedi posmatraca zasto je dokumentovanje dogadjaja vaznije od pukog i golog prezivljavanja,a ono sto je posebno razocaravajuce jeste ispod prosecna gluma i nerazradjenost likova.Poredjenje i slicnost sa Cloverfieldom je neminovno.
Diary of the Dead je zabavan film,ali s obzirom da ga potpisuje Romero,on je i ispodprosecan.

Ghoul

DIARY OF THE DEAD
**(*)
3-
ovo je ipak mnogo bolje kad je satira prigušena, u drugom ili trećem planu, umesto što mi se poruke –kao ovde- nabijaju na nos. naročito kad su poruke tako... predvidive. uključujući reditelja koji gine pokušavajući da ispravi svoju kameru kako bi bolje usnimila njegovu pogibiju. eh, ti reditelji kojima je film preči od života – takav kliše! viđam ga u svakom 20om hororu koji pogledam. gde ono beše nedavno? wrong turn 2?
ok, ovde je barem ta opsesija snimanjem svega što se dešava deo TEME (i 'poruke'!) pa je malčice svarljivija no u CLOVERFIELDU, ali to neke od situacija ne čini manje nategnutim i nenamerno komičnim – naročito pred kraj, kad imamo dirljivu scenu razgovora između direktora (lica zaklonjenog kamerom), njegove ljube (bez kamere) i njihovog drugara koji to sve snima iz suprotnog ugla. I mean – come on! :(

za razliku od LAND OF THE DEAD ovo je ipak bliže 'povratku formi' –utoliko što barem nije previše trash, nego je po tonu i ambicijama bliže originalnoj trilogiji.
avaj, videli smo već previše zombi filmova, odličnih, dobrih, osrednjih i loših a da bi se ovaj posebno istakao među njima sem po izolovanim detaljima (novi metodi za ubijanje zombija, sveži set-pisovi) – s tim što su rečeni set-pisvoi budžetom (i maštom?) ograničeni na vrlo kratke i jednostavne epizodice a epizodična struktura pored ostalog znači da se film svodi na seriju gimmicka bez pravog pravca i cilja i sa poentom jasnom već u prvih 10 minuta.

DIARY OF THE DEAD je dovoljno dinamičan i zabavan da se može fino pogledati pod uslovom da smanjite očekivanja. meni je prijao malkice više od LANDA ali je još uvek mnooogo daleko od najslabijeg dela trilogije, tj DAY OF THE DEAD. likovi su, u poređenju s onima iz HADERSFILDA, nešto podnošljiviji, ali u suštini – znajte da su ti što studiraju režiju, scenario, glumu itsl. notorno dosadni i nezanimljivi likovi za film, a i za život.
https://ljudska_splacina.com/

Milosh

Hm, Land of the Dead je od tebe dobio 3+ (evo, piše i u ZS16), a Diary 3-, a opet kažeš da ti je Diary više prijao...

Ja sam pogledao Diary pre par dana i još uvek ne znam šta da mislim. Idejno mi je više legao nego Land, ali je konačni utisak nepovoljniji utoliko što bih Land radije ponovo pogledao (pa čak i pogledao nastavak koji bi se direktno nadovezao na njega) nego Diary. Recimo da mi je na momente delovalo skoro genijalno, a na momente (mnogo češće, doduše) kao najgori dilentatizam. Mislim da je glavni problem u groznim likovima koji su još gore odglumljeni, u Landu je to moglo da se proguta zbog stripovske stilizacije (a i gluma je tamo bila bolja) ali ovde bode oči i para uši. Sporadični podzapleti i epizodisti koji se u njima pojavljuju su zanimljiviji od putešestvija glavnih junaka. Pred kraj stvari kao da malo živnu kad stignu u onu kuću ali (lažna uzbuna, ipak) onda se sve prebrzo okonča. Poslednji kadar je divan, a legla mi je i replika koja ide uz njega ma koliko da je in your face. Sve u svemu, veoma zanimljivo ali i gotovo isto toliko razočaravajuće. Mada, voleo bih da vidim još jedan Dead film od Romera, pod uslovom da uvede neki novi momenat; možda da snimi World of the Dead i konačno stavi tačku.
"Ernest Hemingway once wrote: "The world is a fine place and worth fighting for." I agree with the second part."

http://milosh.mojblog.rs/

Ghoul

ne ne ne.
ocene u ZS16 su prilagođene uobičajenim, svakodnevnim kriterijumima bližim repertoarskom ocenjivanju, kako bi bile bliže ostaloj dvojici rivjuera (milosh + cripple) – dakle, PREVEO sam moje uobičajene ocene na ekvivalente ocena koje NISU, kao moje, sub speciae aeternitatis.
drugim rečima, onda kad ocenjujem sam za sebe, onda koristim uobičajeni rejting u kome 5 znači 'remek delo' u najužem i najozbiljnijem smislu reči, a 4 = 'izvanredan, odličan film' u nekom uobičajenom smislu reči, itd.
drugim rečima, skoro sve moje ocene u tom konkretnom trijumviratskom ocenjivanju uvećane su barem za pola ocene, tako da omoguće da i neki normalan film dobije 4 ili čak 5.

ako pogledaš u 'svi horori koje sam ikada gledao, sa ocenama' videćeš sledeće:
LAND OF THE DEAD
G.A. Romero
***
3-
B
/DVD
04.08.
što će reći, mlaka trojka koja teži ka tri minus, što je vremenom i dobila kad sam se dodatno ohladio nakon novog gledanja.

u suštini, NUMERIČKI GLEDANO, oba filma imaju iste ocene, iako su u pitanju prilično različite vrste filmova, svaki sa svojim nezanemarljivim kvalitetima ali i sa specifičnim, nezanemarljivim problemima.
LAND je više bio posvećen spektaklu i dodvoravanju fangorijancima (valjda u nadi da se postigne komerc. uspeh i tako opravdaju uložene pare i dobiju nove), i tome shodna stilizacija, stripizacija, dumb-downizacija ga u mojim očima znatno obaraju.
DIARY je ozbiljniji po namerama, pa i (relativnim) postignućima, i time je kao što već rekoh bliži duhu night-dawn-daya, ali ga s druge strane jebe to što ipak značajno pada u poređenju s njima. delom zbog odabrane forme video-dnevnika, koja stilski više ograničava nego što oslobađa i pruža, delom zbog slabe glume koja u ovakvoj formi više dolazi do izražaja, delom zbog samog scenarija koji previše vrluda kroz te proizvoljne, problematične epizodice (uvodni TV izveštaj sa vaskrslima koji napadaju paramedike podseća na početak DAWNA; melodramatično samoubistvo vozačice blisko je patetici poginulih mladunaca na benz. pumpi iz NIGHT; najzabavnija deonica, u bolnici, po pristupu je bliska DAYU –kome odaje počast pozajmljujući situaciju sličnu kultnom zombiju s otvorenim stomakom koji, kad se pridigne, prospe svoja creva po podu: avaj, jebeš omaž koji ne uspe bar da dostigne ako ne i prestigne original, kako ovde biva; epizoda sa nigra-pljačkašima koji prave zalihe najbliža je DAWN situaciji ali se razrešava neubedljivo ružičasto, suviše lagano za gl. junake koji suviše glatko odatle odu; dok je deda-amiš tipično 'igranje za publiku' a la LAND OF THE DEAD, totalni wink-wink, nudge-nudge zezanje i stipizacija kako bi tinejdž-fangorijanci imali na šta da viču 'wow, cool!' kad dekica počne da baca štapine dinamita i barata kosom (pri čemu je njegov odlazak sa scene kao pozajmljen iz CREEPSHOWA po svojoj preteranosti i fiziološkoj neizvodljivosti koja najdrastičnije podriva 'dokumentarnost' pristupa ostatka).
čak i kraj, čija te je skoro-nihilistička upitanost toliko kupila, u suštini je reciklaža za mene mnogo elaboriranijeg (i vizuelno i idejno) kraja NIGHT rimejka koji je savini režirao ali dekica romero pisao 1990, u kome takođe imaš zombie target practice, zombije vezane za ili obešene sa drveća itsl. i prikaz obezljuđenja (zombifikacije!) preživelih.
sve u svemu, kako se iz gore rečenog može videti, DIARY u blender stavlja svih 5 dosadašnjih romerovih zombi inkarnacija (računajući i savini-romerovu), i ponešto iz njih uspeva da asocira na ranije filmove, ali retko i da ih dosegne-nadmaši, istovremeno vrludajući u tonu od propovedništva preko omaža do dodvoravajućih set-pisova.
da zaključim, mislim da bi ovaj isti scenario i isti likovi bili značajno svarljiviji da se dekica nije ograničio ich-FORMOM, i da je veći deo filma uradio iz  konvencionalne 'sveznajuće' vizure – a da je zadržao čak i reditelja koji sve to snima kao lik, i povremeno prikazao i snimke iz njegovog ugla, ali bez preteranog potenciranja toga.
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Kunac

Većina vas zna koliko mi je Romero drag - uostalom, ja sam i pokrenuo ovaj topik očekujući najbolje - ali ovoga puta ne mogu da pronađem mnogo pohvalnih reči. U okviru Romerovog DEAD opusa, Dnevnik zauzima najniže mesto, i nikako se ne može uvrstiti u red horor klasika. Novi film nije ni prineti trilingu NOĆ-ZORA-DAN, a meni je lično bio inferioran i u odnosu na ZEMLJU. Naravno, ukusi su različiti, o njima ne vredi raspravljati, ali Diary of the Dead je film ispod proseka - i u odnosu na ostale Romerove filmove, i u odnosu na trenutnu zombi produkciju. Uostalom, gledali ste REC (film koji je po konceptu sličan Dnevniku), videli ste kako se to danas radi.

Bez obzira na mikro budžet, Diary of the Dead je iznenađujuće nekompetentan film koji predstavlja tamnu mrlju u Romerovom opusu. Miloš je pomenuo reč diletantizam - i zaista, na momente mi se činilo da je Dnevnik zaista snima neki amater ili početnik, neki Jason Creed, a ne majstor zombi zanata. Ne kažem da "stranice" Dnevnika ne kriju par dobrih rešenja, ali kvaliteta ima manje u odnosu na mane.

Drag mi starac se vratio na poznatu teritoriju, ali ne uspeva da održi pažnju i ubedi nas da je zombi apokalipsa zaista počela. Oldtajmer pokušava da bude moderan - koristi novu tehnologiju, okuplja ekipu zgodnih mladih glumaca (Dnevnik definitivno ima najlepši cast od svih DEAD filmova), ali ti pokušaji deluju usiljeno.

Novca je bilo veoma, veoma malo - u produkcionom smislu, Dnevnik se može porediti sa Noći, ali je mnogo manje efektan pošto Romero ovoga puta insistira na brojnim lokacijama (poput Zemlje mrvih i Dnevnik je road-movie) pa se nedostatak novca vidi.

Dnevnik mrtvih je Romerova Treća majka, film koji samo podseća na nekadašnje dane slave, ali ne uspeva - ni blizu - da isporuči onaj nekadašnji adrenalin.

Pogledaću ga još jednom ovih dana - ali prvo moram da se oporavim od šoka - za mene je Dnevnik mrtvih veliko ratočarenje.
"zombi je mali žuti cvet"

Kunac

Izgleda da se nastavak zaistinski snima...

A couple of phone calls later, Dread Central learned that George has to attend several meetings about Diary 2 which have the project significantly hitting the fast track. So significantly that we got the word it's 99.9% a go for the film to start production this September.

I to uskoro...
"zombi je mali žuti cvet"

Tex Murphy

Hm. Meni se Zemlja mrtvih prilično svidjela. In fact, da nije posljednje (debilne) scene, bio bih sklon da ga proglasim odličnim filmom. Ovaj Diary je budalaština spram koje je Lady in the Water remek djelo.
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Kunac

Meni je ZEMLJA sasvim legitimna, legla mi je samo tako (3x sam ovaj film gledao u bioskopu, pa ti vidi), ali mi se po tonu ne uklapa sa drugim ROmerovim DEAD filmovima.

Popcorn pristup je nastavljen i u DNEVNIKu, samo sa mnogo, mnogo manje uspeha... Slično će biti i u DRUGOM DNEVNIKU, gotovo je izvesno. Samo-parodiranje je opasna stvar.

A što se Š(L)JAMALANA tiče: poslednji film mu je pretekao i DAMU iz VODE.
"zombi je mali žuti cvet"

Ghoul

ja bih da organi reda ipak ispitaju LEGITIMNOST Land-a, nisam siguran da je tu baš sve po zakonu.

a DNEVNIK 2 će biti more of the same kao u DNEVNIKU 1.

jedino ako na DVDu bude i DNEVNIKOV DODATAK...
https://ljudska_splacina.com/

Tex Murphy

Ma taj Dnevnik je imbecilna tinejdžerska budalaština zamaskirana u zombi film, sa toliko kretenskim dijalozima da je to strašno. Ništa to ne valja.
S druge strane, Day of the Dead je sjajan film.
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Kunac

Navodno, snimanje novog GARovog zombi filma je počelo... Još nije sigurno da li je u pitanju nastavak Dnevnika, a pominje se i termin kvazi-nastavak. Info o filmu je za sada skroman, ali se zna da će se radnja ovoga puta odvijati na ostrvu, i da će biti podvodnih zombija... GAR does Fulci? Izgleda tako...

Romero nastavlja da snima zombi filmove... Zašto? Na BD-u sam našao komenar koji me je nasmejao - ali je u biti bolno istinit:

"What is he doing? Why does he keep returning to this genre?" ... "Some kind of instinct. Memory, of what he used to do. Making movies was an important thing in his life."
"zombi je mali žuti cvet"