Amerika na ivici propasti?

[marlowe]

Umesto koncerta održao govor protiv Amerike

Poznati svetski pijanista iz Poljske Kristijan Cimerman pre koncerta u Los Anđelesu održao oštar antiamerički govor. "Ne mogu da sviram za naciju čija vojska želi da kontroliše ceo svet. Dalje ruke od moje zemlje", rekao je Cimerman.

Poljski pijanista svetskog glasa Kristijan Cimerman izazvao je burnu kontroverzu prilikom svog nastupa u "Volt Diznijevoj" dvorani u Los Anđelesu, održavši oštar antiamerički govor.

Pre početka izvođenja poslednjeg dela svog recitala, Cimerman je na trenutak ćutke sedeo za klavirom i umesto da počne da svira neočekivano se okrenuo prema publici.

Mirnim, ali ljutitim glasom obratio joj se sledećim rečima: "Ne mogu da sviram za naciju čija vojska želi da kontroliše ceo svet. Dalje ruke od moje zemlje!".

Na njegove optužbe, koje su bile upućene i na račun zatvora u Gvantanamu, publika je odgovorila zvižducima i psovkama, a mnoge osobe su demonstrativno napustile salu.

Među onima koji su ostali u sali mnogi su aplaudirali.

"Amerika ima mnogo lepših stvari za izvoz od vojske", rekao je Cimerman, zahvalivši se onima koji podržavaju demokratiju.

Nakon koncerta, Cimerman je izjavio da je to njegov poslednji nastup u Americi i odbio svaki drugi komentar.

[akhnaton]

A jeli rekao nešto u vremenima kada mu je zemlja bila u gvozdenom zagrljaju pracoslavne slavjanske braće sa istoka?  

[slavkod]

Pa jeste,ali ga to ne sprečava da vidi kada se skače iz tiganja u vatru,a ne treba ni brkati Sovjetski Savez sa pravoslavnom Rusijom.Boljševičko ropstvo nije opravdanje ni za kakvo novo.Uostalom,čovek je Jevrejin

[scallop]

Ne znam da li je ova informacija za ovde, ali možda i jeste:

AGFA, kao vlasnik placa na Long Ajlendu, gde još stoji Teslina prototip laboratorija sa memorijalnom pločom postavljenom 1976 god. na 120-tu godišnjicu njegovog rođenja, ponuđena je na prodaju po ceni od 1,5 miliona dolara "delivered fully cleared and level,". To znači "zaravnjeno i utabano". Pojedini Ameri već protestvuju, pa sam se i ja sa svojim trapavim engleskim pridružio. Članak imate u online verziji "New York Times".

[mac]

Ako memorijalna ploča ne donosi prihode šta drugo kapitalista da uradi sem da smanji troškove. Drma kriza... Mogle bi Srbija i Hrvatska zajedno da skupe pare pa da otkupe to zemljište bez zaravnjavanja. Ako smo imali milionče za onog kabadahiju, valjda može da se skupi $750000 za najvećeg srpskog naučnika...

[Ghoul]

Ako smo imali milionče za onog kabadahiju, valjda može da se skupi $750000 za najvećeg srpskog naučnika...

eh, scientists! what do they know?!

[Cornelius]

Zanimljiv tekst Cvetana Todorova iz danasnjeg Liberation. Razmatra kako su Amerikanci sistematski primenjivali mucenje ideoloskih i politickih protivnika, a izvrsioce tih mucenja su poducavali i uvezbavali kao sto se poducava bilo koji zanatlija. Zakljucak je zanimljiv i univerzalan da su svi ti dobrovoljci mucili ljude u ime "odbrane otadzbine" ili neke druge moralne "obaveze", sto znaci, ako su ljudi pravilno kondicionirani, oni mogu da izvrse bilo koje zverstvo u ime "visih ciljeva".

LIBERATION 05/05/09

De braves Américains devenus tortionnaires

Tzvetan Todorov directeur de recherches honoraire au CNRS, historien et essayiste.

Les documents rendus publics le 16 avril par l'administration Obama, relatifs aux pratiques de torture dans les prisons de la CIA, jettent une nouvelle lumière sur une question : comment s'expliquer la facilité avec laquelle les personnes œuvrant au nom du gouvernement des Etats-Unis ont pu accepter et pratiquer la torture à l'endroit de leurs prisonniers ? Les faits même de la torture étaient déjà bien connus mais les nouveaux documents apportent de nombreuses informations sur la manière dont se déroulaient les séances de torture et dont celle-ci était perçue par ses agents. Ce qui frappe avant tout, c'est la découverte d'une réglementation incroyablement tatillonne, formulée dans les manuels de la CIA et reprise par les responsables juridiques du gouvernement. On pouvait s'imaginer jusque-là que les pratiques de torture relevaient de ce qu'on appelle les bavures, dépassements involontaires des normes provoqués par l'urgence du moment. On s'aperçoit au contraire qu'il s'agit de procédures fixées dans les moindres détails, au centimètre et à la seconde près.

Ainsi, les formes de torture sont au nombre de dix, lequel monte ensuite à treize. Elles sont réparties en trois catégories : préparatives (nudité, alimentation manipulée, privation de sommeil), correctives (les coups) et coercitives (arrosage d'eau, enfermement dans des boîtes, supplice de la baignoire). Pour les gifles, l'interrogateur doit frapper avec les doigts écartés, à égale distance entre l'extrémité du menton et le bas du lobe de l'oreille. L'arrosage d'eau du prisonnier nu peut durer vingt minutes si l'eau est à 5 °C, quarante si elle est à 10 °C, et jusqu'à soixante si elle est à 15 °C. Les privations de sommeil ne doivent pas dépasser 180 heures, mais, après un repos de huit heures, elles peuvent recommencer. L'immersion dans la baignoire peut durer jusqu'à douze secondes, pas plus de deux heures par jour, pendant trente jours consécutifs (un prisonnier coriace a subi ce supplice à 183 reprises en mars 2003). L'enfermement dans une petite boîte ne doit pas dépasser deux heures, mais si la boîte permet au prisonnier de se tenir debout, on peut aller jusqu'à huit heures de suite, dix-huit heures par jour.

On apprend aussi en quoi consiste l'entraînement des tortionnaires. La majorité de ces tortures est copiée du programme que suivent les soldats américains qui se préparent à affronter des situations extrêmes (cela permet aux responsables de conclure que ces épreuves sont parfaitement supportables). Plus important, les tortionnaires eux-mêmes sont choisis parmi ceux qui ont eu «une expérience scolaire prolongée» de ces épreuves extrêmes, autrement dit : les tortionnaires ont été, dans un premier temps, torturés eux-mêmes. A la suite de quoi, un stage intensif de quatre semaines suffit pour les préparer à leur nouveau travail.

Les partenaires indispensables des tortionnaires sont les conseillers juridiques du gouvernement, qui sont là pour assurer l'impunité légale de leurs collègues. Cela aussi est une nouveauté : la torture n'est plus représentée comme une infraction à la norme commune, regrettable mais excusable, elle est la norme légale même. Les juristes recourent pour cela à une autre série de techniques. Pour échapper à la loi, il faut conduire les interrogatoires à l'extérieur des Etats-Unis, même si c'est dans des bases américaines. On suggérera donc aux tortionnaires de nier l'intention de faire souffrir. Ainsi les gifles ne seront pas données afin de produire une douleur, mais pour provoquer la surprise et l'humiliation. L'enfermement dans une boîte n'aura pas pour but d'entraîner un désordre sensoriel, mais de donner au prisonnier un sentiment d'inconfort ! Le bourreau doit toujours insister sur sa «bonne foi», ses «croyances honnêtes» et ses prémisses raisonnables. Il faut utiliser des euphémismes : «techniques renforcées» pour torture, «expert en interrogatoire» pour tortionnaire. Il faut aussi éviter de laisser des traces matérielles, et pour cette raison la destruction mentale est préférable aux dégâts physiques ; les éventuelles captations visuelles des séances seront détruites après-coup.

Plusieurs autres groupes de professionnels sont impliqués dans la pratique de torture : la contagion se répand bien au-delà du cercle limité des tortionnaires. En dehors des juristes fournissant une légitimation à leurs actes, sont régulièrement mentionnés des psychologues, des psychiatres, des médecins (obligatoirement présents au cours de chaque séance), des femmes (les tortionnaires sont des hommes, mais l'avilissement sous le regard des femmes aggrave l'humiliation), des professeurs d'université produisant les justifications morales, légales ou philosophiques.

Qui, aujourd'hui, doit être tenu pour responsable de ces perversions de la loi et des principes moraux les plus élémentaires ? Les exécutants volontaires de la torture le sont moins que les hauts fonctionnaires légaux les ayant justifiées et encouragées ; et ceux-ci, moins que les décideurs politiques qui leur ont demandé de le faire. Les gouvernements étrangers amis, et notamment européens, portent eux aussi une responsabilité : alors qu'ils ont toujours été au courant de ces pratiques, et ont bénéficié des informations obtenues par ce moyen, ils n'ont jamais élevé la moindre protestation, ni même signifié leur désapprobation. Dans une démocratie, la condamnation des hommes politiques consiste à les priver du pouvoir, en ne les faisant pas réélire. Quant aux autres professionnels, on pourrait s'attendre à ce qu'ils soient sanctionnés par leurs pairs, car qui voudrait être l'étudiant d'un tel professeur ? Le justiciable d'un tel juge ? Le patient d'un tel médecin ?

Si l'on veut comprendre pourquoi ces braves Américains ont accepté si facilement de devenir tortionnaires, point n'est besoin de chercher du côté d'une haine ou d'une peur ancestrale des musulmans et des Arabes. Non, la situation est bien plus grave. La leçon de ces révélations est plutôt que n'importe quel homme, à condition d'être bien encadré, obéissant aux nobles principes dictés par le «sens du devoir», par la nécessaire «défense de la patrie» ou mû par l'élémentaire peur pour la vie et le bien-être des siens, peut devenir un tortionnaire.

[scallop]

Zanimljiv tekst Cvetana Todorova iz danasnjeg Liberation. Razmatra kako su Amerikanci sistematski primenjivali mucenje ideoloskih i politickih protivnika, a izvrsioce tih mucenja su poducavali i uvezbavali kao sto se poducava bilo koji zanatlija. Zakljucak je zanimljiv i univerzalan da su svi ti dobrovoljci mucili ljude u ime "odbrane otadzbine" ili neke druge moralne "obaveze", sto znaci, ako su ljudi pravilno kondicionirani, oni mogu da izvrse bilo koje zverstvo u ime "visih ciljeva".

Jel' to onaj Gulov Cvetko što ga je Lem lemao još 1973. godine? Ako jeste, to je scientifique!

[Ghoul]

šta si zapeo za gulovog cvetka kao gluv u gajde?

[Cornelius]

Jel' to onaj Gulov Cvetko što ga je Lem lemao još 1973. godine?

Jes, taj Cvetko. Gulov Cvetko Blgarin.

[cutter]

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/03/us/03nuke.html?_r=2&hp

U.S. Releases Secret List of Nuclear Sites Accidentally

By WILLIAM J. BROAD
Published: June 2, 2009

The federal government mistakenly made public a 266-page report, its pages marked "highly confidential," that gives detailed information about hundreds of the nation's civilian nuclear sites and programs, including maps showing the precise locations of stockpiles of fuel for nuclear weapons.
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The publication of the document was revealed Monday in an online newsletter devoted to issues of federal secrecy. That set off a debate among nuclear experts about what dangers, if any, the disclosures posed. It also prompted a flurry of investigations in Washington into why the document had been made public.

On Tuesday evening, after inquiries from The New York Times, the document was withdrawn from a Government Printing Office Web site.

Several nuclear experts argued that any dangers from the disclosure were minimal, given that the general outlines of the most sensitive information were already known publicly.

"These screw-ups happen," said John M. Deutch, a former director of central intelligence and deputy secretary of defense who is now a professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. "It's going further than I would have gone but doesn't look like a serious breach."

But David Albright, president of the Institute for Science and International Security, a private group in Washington that tracks nuclear proliferation, said information that shows where nuclear fuels are stored "can provide thieves or terrorists inside information that can help them seize the material, which is why that kind of data is not given out."

The information, considered confidential but not classified, was assembled for transmission later this year to the International Atomic Energy Agency as part of a process by which the United States is opening itself up to stricter inspections in hopes that foreign countries, especially Iran and others believed to be clandestinely developing nuclear arms, will do likewise.

President Obama sent the document to Congress on May 5 for Congressional review and possible revision, and the Government Printing Office subsequently posted the draft declaration on its Web site.

As of Tuesday evening, the reasons for that action remained a mystery. On its cover, the document attributes its publication to the House Committee on Foreign Affairs. But Lynne Weil, the committee spokeswoman, said the committee had "neither published it nor had control over its publication."

Gary Somerset, a spokesman for the printing office, said it had "produced" the document "under normal operating procedures" but had now removed it from its Web site pending further review.

The document contains no military information about the nation's stockpile of nuclear arms, or about the facilities and programs that guard such weapons. Rather, it presents what appears to be an exhaustive listing of the sites that make up the nation's civilian nuclear complex, which stretches coast to coast and includes nuclear reactors and highly confidential sites at weapon laboratories.

Steven Aftergood, a security expert at the Federation of American Scientists in Washington, revealed the existence of the document on Monday in Secrecy News, an electronic newsletter he publishes on the Web.

Mr. Aftergood expressed bafflement at its disclosure, calling it "a one-stop shop for information on U.S. nuclear programs."

In his letter of transmittal to Congress, Mr. Obama characterized the information as "sensitive but unclassified" and said all the information that the United States gathered to comply with the advanced protocol "shall be exempt from disclosure" under the Freedom of Information Act.

The report details the locations of hundreds of nuclear sites and activities. Each page is marked across the top "Highly Confidential Safeguards Sensitive" in capital letters, with the exception of pages that detailed additional information like site maps. In his transmittal letter, Mr. Obama said the cautionary language was a classification category of the International Atomic Energy Agency's inspectors.

The agency, in Vienna, is a unit of the United Nations whose mandate is to enforce a global treaty that tries to keep civilian nuclear programs from engaging in secret military work.

In recent years, it has sought to gain wide adherence to a set of strict inspection rules, known formally as the additional protocol. The rules give the agency powerful new rights to poke its nose beyond known nuclear sites into factories, storage areas, laboratories and anywhere else that a nation might be preparing to flex its nuclear muscle. The United States signed the agreement in 1998 but only recently moved forward with carrying it out.

The report lists many particulars about nuclear programs and facilities at the nation's three nuclear weapons laboratories — Los Alamos, Livermore and Sandia — as well as dozens of other federal and private nuclear sites.

One of the most serious disclosures appears to center on the Oak Ridge National Laboratory in Tennessee, which houses the Y-12 National Security Complex, a sprawling site ringed by barbed wire and armed guards. It calls itself the nation's Fort Knox for highly enriched uranium, a main fuel of nuclear arms.

The report lists "Tube Vault 16, East Storage Array," as a prospective site for nuclear inspection. It said the site, in Building 9720-5, contains highly enriched uranium for "long-term storage."

An attached map shows the exact location of Tube Vault 16 along a hallway and its orientation in relation to geographic north, although not its location in the Y-12 complex.

Tube vaults are typically cylinders embedded in concrete that prevent the accidental formation of critical masses of highly enriched uranium that could undergo bursts of nuclear fission, known as a criticality incident. According to federal reports, a typical tube vault can hold up to 44 tons of highly enriched uranium in 200 tubes. Motion detectors and television cameras typically monitor each vault.

Thomas B. Cochran, a senior scientist in the nuclear program of the Natural Resources Defense Council, a private group in Washington that tracks atomic arsenals, called the document harmless. "It's a better listing than anything I've seen" of the nation's civilian nuclear complex, Mr. Cochran said. "But it's no national-security breach. It confirms what's already out there and adds a bit more information."

[Cornelius]

Bankrotirala drzava Kalifornija. Vise ne placa racune i nema nikakav plan budzeta. Guvernator je pokusao da skine troskove, seckajuci troskove administracije i drasticno sekuci troskove skolstva (oko 10 milijardi), ali opet su otisli u supak. Svidja mi se kako resava krizu - oduzmimo od skolovanja. Cinjenica je da ima pravo - sto vise znas, vise patis. Tako, kada budu znali samo malobrojni, patnja ce biti redukovana na elitu. Ostali ce se drogirati i medjusobno ubijati.

[EKSTREMISTA]

"Cipelić" pušten iz zatvora
15.09.2009. - 12:52
Irački novinar koji je cipelom gađao bivšeg američkog predsednika Džordža Buša pušten je iz zatvora, izjavio je njegov brat, a prenose svetske agencije.
Muntadar al-Zeidi je trebalo da bude oslobođen u ponedeljak, ali je oslobađanje odloženo zbog administrativnih formalnosti.



NOVINAR Brojni članovi uže i šire porodice Al-Zeidija došli su ispred zatvora da ga dočekaju noseći njegove slike i iračke zastave kao i veliki broj iračkih i stranih novinara koji su došli da izveštavaju o tom događaju.
Al Zeidi, manje poznati izveštač jedne iračke tv stanice je prošlog decembra postao neka vrsta heroja u arapskom svetu. Tokom zajedničke konferencije za novinare Buša i iračkog premijera, al-Zeidi je skočio sa stolice, pa prvo jednom a potom i drugom svojom cipelom gađao američkog predsednika.
Buš je uspeo na vreme da se pomeri pa su cipele promašile cilj.
Al-Zeidi je istovremeno viknuo Bušu: "ovo ti je oproštajni pozdrav, psino! Ovo ti je od udovica, siročadi i svih izginulih u Iraku!".
On je osuđen na tri godine zatvore zbog uvrede, ali je kazna smanjena na godinu dana zbog toga što nije osuđivan. Al-Zeidi je oslobođen tri meseca ranije zbog dobrog vladanja.



Zaidi odlazi u Grčku zbog straha za svoj život

Irački novinar Muntazer al-Zaidi, koji je krajem prošle godine gađao cipelama američkog predsednika Džordža Buša na konferenciji za novinare u Bagdadu, izjavio je danas, nakon puštanja iz zatvora, da će zbog straha za svoj život napustiti Irak i otići u Grčku. "Ja sam slobodan, ali je moja zemlja i dalje okupirana", rekao je Zaidi na konferenciji za novinare, tvrdeći da je u zatvoru maltretiran i tučen.
"Tukli su me cevima, čeličnim kablovima i mučili elektro šokovima", kazao je irački novinar, dok su njegovi rođaci objasnili da će on otići u Grčku gde će dobiti medicinsku negu,javljaju agencije. Tokom konferencije za novinare u decembru 2008. u Bagdadu, novinar Al-Zaidi je gađao cipelama Buša, nazvavši ga "psom", ali je predsednik izbegao udarce. Al-Zaidi je optužen za napad na stranog držnika, pa je prvobitno osuđen na tri godine zatvora, ali mu je kazna umanjena na devet meseci, koja mu je istekla.

[Genome]

Bankrotirala drzava Kalifornija. Vise ne placa racune i nema nikakav plan budzeta. Guvernator je pokusao da skine troskove, seckajuci troskove administracije i drasticno sekuci troskove skolstva (oko 10 milijardi), ali opet su otisli u supak. Svidja mi se kako resava krizu - oduzmimo od skolovanja. Cinjenica je da ima pravo - sto vise znas, vise patis. Tako, kada budu znali samo malobrojni, patnja ce biti redukovana na elitu. Ostali ce se drogirati i medjusobno ubijati.

Ah pa to se i kod nas desava. Bankrot se blizi, a vlada je momentalno pocela da kasapi obrazovni sistem. Kapitalisticke krize pokazuju da treba da se predje na neki novi sistem drustvenog organizovanja, koji nije socijalizam a ni kapitalizam. Inace nema napretka, niti cemo moci u proseku mirno da spavamo, brinuci se za posao, i novcane prihode.

Novac je najgore zlo.

[džin tonik]

treba da se predje na neki novi sistem? aha, onaj izvorni. na onaj kojim svi sistemi zavrse: prirodni
ustvari, ne sjecam se niti jednog drugog sistema.

ps: mogu li ti poslati broj tekuceg racuna na pm da mi posaljes svoje zlo? ja, hm,  tamanim zlo.

[mac]

Postojeći sistem, u kome banke uspevaju da novac stvore ni iz čega, bez odobrenja centralnog tela za štampanje novca, pokazuje se kao problematičan na duge staze. Ja bih u tom novom i lepšem sistemu takođe teško regulisao svako tržište hartija od vrednosti (berze). Sva ta tržišta prave nešto "od ništa", što prosto nije normalno.

[Dry-Na-Nord]

Postojeći sistem, u kome banke uspevaju da novac stvore ni iz čega, bez odobrenja centralnog tela za štampanje novca, pokazuje se kao problematičan na duge staze.

Osim kad samo to centralno telo ne počne da pravi pare ni iz čega?

[mac]

Onda imamo problem i na kratke staze

To je problem sa parama u principu, dok je para biće nekog ko će ih štampati. Ako je već tako bolje da postoji samo jedna tačka iz koje dolaze pare ni iz čega, nego da svaka banka to radi.

[scallop]

Nacionalni Trezor u SAD nije u vlasništvu Države. Oni koji prodaju rog za sveću, proizvode rogove od sveća.

[džin tonik]

sve ce to rijesiti jedna prirodna inflacija.

[Genome]

treba da se predje na neki novi sistem? aha, onaj izvorni. na onaj kojim svi sistemi zavrse: prirodni
ustvari, ne sjecam se niti jednog drugog sistema.

ps: mogu li ti poslati broj tekuceg racuna na pm da mi posaljes svoje zlo? ja, hm,  tamanim zlo.

Da. Svakako da ni meni ne bi nista falilo da mi na racun legne neko milionce. Medjutim ako razmislis shvatices da ogromna vecina ljudi to nikada ne dozivi. A to znaci da ogromna vecina ljudi celoga zovpta vise juri za zaradom nego sto ima vremena i dovoljne zarade da je potrosi onako i onoliko koliko zeli.

Tako da ovaj sistem odgovara samo malobrojnim vlasnicima svetskog kapitala i malobrojnima koji su do nekog veceg novca u zivotu dosli.

Da je novac shvacen zaista kao merilo vrednosti, a ne kao roba, to se ne bi desavalo.

Kada bi se uspostavio sistem kontrole drustva u kojem novac ne bi postojao, a gde svako radi koliko moze, a dobija (ne koliko treba) nego koliko po mogucnostima zasluzuje, ziveli bi u prilicno srecnom drustvu.

Govorim o nekoj vrsti tehnoloski napredne prvobitne ljudske zajednice organizovane na planetarnom nivou

[džin tonik]

ma lijepo to zvuci, no ljudi su dosta stoka; tako sve/i krasne/i ideje/sistemi uvijek skoncaju u isti sistem: prirodni

[scallop]

ma lijepo to zvuci, no ljudi su dosta stoka; tako sve/i krasne/i ideje/sistemi uvijek skoncaju u isti sistem: prirodni

Ovo je za pobenavit! Potpuno se slažem sa ovim stavom.

[raindelay]

Obama, Reaguj ! 

G20 Riot Police Assault Young Couple

G20 Protest - UPitt (exclusive footage)

[Alexdelarge]

Oslo, Vašington -- Američki predsednik Barak Obama dobio je ovogodišnju Nobelovu nagradu za mir, saopštio je norveški komitet za dodelu ove nagrade.

[Eriops]

Imao je barem toliko savesti da kaze da je nije zasluzio  .
Predsednik najvece svetske imperije, koja vodi istovremeno nekoliko ratova, ima vojne baze i stotine hiljada vojnika sirom sveta, dobija Nobelovu nagradu za mir ..
Ali kad se setim i Ahtisarija, stvarno mi se cini da ova nagrada gubi smisao. Mozda je iduce godine dodele Ramusu Haradinaju, ne bi me zacudilo  .

[stakmen]

pa ta Nobelova nagrada postade ko ona ruska  knjizevna sto je dobi mira markovic/namerno pisem mala slova,a da ce SAD propasti i da se to desi,obnovice se na neki drugi nacin,to bi najvise voleo onaj debeljak Majkl Mur,ps  cuo sam da Cak  Noris ima neku politicku organizaciju za nezavisni Teksas,haha   --pre 2  nedelje bila je frka kod Amera jer se neka  obezbedjenje firma malo osilila u nekom gradicu,posto je osnivac nasih korena,koristili su grb nase zemlje,no  mozda su ga sad promenili    ,link sledi,zamisli hodas pustinjom a ono dzip sa 4 ocila--natripujesh se ladno

[stakmen]

eto sad uzese drugi grb,kakvi su to carevi ,evo ih,imaju na you tube bas snimci dzipova sa 4 ocila  http://www.americanpolicegroup.com/

[Ghoul]

mislite da ovako nešto može samo u srbiji?
THINK AGAIN!

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MINNEAPOLIS – The first officer of the Northwest Airlines jet that missed its destination by 150 miles says there was no fight in the cockpit, neither he nor the captain had fallen asleep and the passengers were never in any danger.
But in an interview with The Associated Press two days after he and a colleague blew past their destination as air traffic controllers tried frantically to reach them, pilot Richard Cole would not say just what it was that led to them to forget to land Flight 188.
"It was not a serious event, from a safety issue," Cole said in front of his Salem, Ore., home. "I would tell you more, but I've already told you way too much."
Air traffic controllers and pilots tried for more than an hour Wednesday night to contact Cole and the flight's captain, Timothy B. Cheney, of Gig Harbor, Wash., using radio, cell phone and data messages. On the ground, concerned officials alerted National Guard jets to prepare to chase the airliner from two locations, though none of the military planes left the runway.
"We were not asleep; we were not having an argument; we were not having a fight," Cole told The Associated Press.
He would not discuss why it took so long for the pilots to respond to radio calls, "but I can tell you that airplanes lose contact with the ground people all the time. It happens. Sometimes they get together right away; sometimes it takes awhile before one or the other notices that they are not in contact."
The Minneapolis Star Tribune, citing an internal Northwest document it said was described to the newspaper, reported that Cheney and Cole began what was to be a five-day flying stint Tuesday with a flight from Minneapolis to San Diego. The newspaper said the pair had a 19-hour layover before Wednesday's return flight.
A police report released Friday said the pilots passed breathalyzer tests and were apologetic after the flight. The report also said that the crew indicated they had been having a heated discussion about airline policy.
But aviation safety experts and other pilots were deeply skeptical they could have become so distracted by shop talk that they forgot to land an airplane carrying 144 passengers. The most likely possibility, they said, is that the pilots simply fell asleep somewhere along their route from San Diego.
"It certainly is a plausible explanation," said Bill Voss, president of the Flight Safety Foundation in Alexandria, Va.
Unfortunately, the cockpit voice recorder may not tell the tale.
New recorders retain as much as two hours of cockpit conversation and other noise, but the older model aboard Northwest's Flight 188 includes just the last 30 minutes — only the very end of Wednesday night's flight after the pilots realized their error over Wisconsin and were heading back to Minneapolis.
Cheney and Cole have been suspended and are to be interviewed by National Transportation Safety Board investigators next week. The airline, acquired last year by Delta Air Lines, is also investigating. Messages left at Cheney's home were not returned.
FAA spokesman Tony Molinaro said in general, an unsafe condition created by a pilot could lead to the suspension of the person's pilot license and possibly a civil penalty.
With worries about terrorists still high, even after contact was re-established, air traffic controllers asked the crew to prove who they were by executing turns.
"Controllers have a heightened sense of vigilance when we're not able to talk to an aircraft. That's the reality post-9/11," said Doug Church, a spokesman for the National Air Traffic Controllers Association.
NTSB spokesman Keith Holloway said fatigue and cockpit distraction will be looked into. The plane's flight recorders were brought to the board's Washington headquarters.
The pilots were finally alerted to their situation when a flight attendant called on an intercom from the cabin.
Voss said a special concern was that the many safety checks built into the aviation system to prevent incidents like this one — or to correct them quickly — apparently were ineffective until the very end. Not only couldn't air traffic controllers and other pilots raise the Northwest pilots for an hour, but the airline's dispatcher should have been trying to reach them as well. The three flight attendants onboard should have questioned why there were no preparations for landing being made. Brightly lit cockpit displays should have warned the pilots it was time to land.
"It's probably something you would say never would happen if this hadn't just happened," Voss said.

[Ghoul]

FORT HOOD, Texas – An Army psychiatrist set to be shipped overseas opened fire at the Fort Hood Army post Thursday, authorities said, a rampage that killed 12 people and left 31 wounded in the worst mass shooting ever at a military base in the United States.

The gunman, first said to have been killed, was wounded but alive and in stable condition under military guard, said Lt. Gen. Bob Cone at Fort Hood. "I would say his death is not imminent," Cone said. Col. Ben Danner said the suspect was shot four times and was in critical condition.

The man was identified as Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, a 39-year-old from Virginia.

President Barack Obama called the shooting at the Soldier Readiness Center, where soldiers who are about to be deployed or who are returning undergo medical screening, "a horrific outburst of violence."

"It's difficult enough when we lose these brave Americans in battles overseas," the commander in chief said. "It is horrifying that they should come under fire at an Army base on American soil." 

There was no official word on motive. Hasan had transferred to Fort Hood in July from Walter Reed Medical Center, where he received a poor performance evaluation, according to an official who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the case publicly.

Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, R-Texas, said generals at Fort Hood told her that Hasan was about to deploy overseas. Retired Col. Terry Lee, who said he had worked with Hasan, told Fox News he was being sent to Afghanistan.

Lee said Hasan had hoped Obama would pull troops out of Afghanistan and Iraq and got into frequent arguments with others in the military who supported the wars.

Faizul Khan, a former imam at a mosque Hasan attended in Silver Spring, Md., said he spoke often with Hasan about how Hasan wanted to find a wife. Hasan was a lifelong Muslim and attended prayers regularly, often in his Army uniform, Khan said.

The shooter used two pistols, one of them semiautomatic. Neither were military-issued, Danner said.

Video from the scene showed police patrolling the area with handguns and rifles, ducking behind buildings for cover. Sirens could be heard wailing while a woman's voice on a public-address system urged people to take cover.

"I was confused and just shocked," said Spc. Jerry Richard, 27, who works at the center but was not on duty during the shooting. "Overseas you are ready for it. But here you can't even defend yourself."

Soldiers at Fort Hood don't carry weapons unless they are doing training exercises.

The Rev. Greg Schannep was about to head into a graduation ceremony when a man in uniform approached him, warning him that someone had opened fire. Schannep heard three volleys of gunfire and saw people running.

"There was a burst of shots and more bursts of shots and people running everywhere," said Schannep, who works for local Congressman John Carter.

The uniformed man who had warned him ran to the theater. Schannep said he could see the man's back was bloodied from a wound. The man survived, was treated and will be fine, Schannep said.

Cone said initially three people were held, and all have been interviewed. Authorities believe, however, that there was a single shooter.

The Soldier Readiness Center holds hundreds of people and is one of the most populated parts of the base, said Steve Moore, a spokesman for III Corps at Fort Hood. Nearby there are barracks and a food center where there are fast food chains.

The wounded were dispersed among hospitals in central Texas, Cone said. Their identities, and the identities of the dead, were not immediately released.

Amber Bahr, 19, was shot in the stomach but was in stable condition, said her mother, Lisa Pfund of Random Lake, Wis.

"We know nothing, just that she was shot in the belly," Pfund told The Associated Press. She couldn't provide more details and only spoke with emergency personnel.

Hasan was single with no children. He graduated from Virginia Tech, where he was a member of the ROTC and earned a bachelor's degree in biochemistry in 1997. He received his medical degree from the military's Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md., in 2001 and was at Walter Reed for six years for his internship, residency and a fellowship.

The attack happened just down the road from one of the worst mass shootings in U.S. history. On Oct. 16, 1991, George Hennard smashed his pickup truck through a Luby's Cafeteria window in Killeen, Texas, and fired on the lunchtime crowd with a high-powered pistol, killing 22 people and wounding at least 20 others.

No other shooting at a military base in the U.S. has been anywhere near as deadly as Thursday's. In 1993, a gunman at Fort Knox shot five civilian co-workers, killing three, and then fatally shot himself.

Around the country, some bases stepped up security precautions, but no others were locked down.

Covering 339 square miles, Fort Hood is the largest active duty armored post in the United States. Home to about 52,000 troops as of earlier this year, it is located halfway between Austin and Waco.

[Son of Man]

a ja taman sa osmehom na licu pun odusevljenja po'itah da ovo postavim kad me Ghoul preteche 

Inace nocas sam sanjo kako ratujemo mi, Rusija i Albanija (koju smo inace napali pa Siptari presli na nasu stranu da ne najebu)  protiv Amerike, a koristimo i atomske, prizori su bili prajsles, raj za oci kakvih sve tu oruzija ima, a vozio sam se i u helikopteru 

[EKSTREMISTA]

Biće Sine i u zbilji,strpi se malo...

[Son of Man]

Brate, sanjam osvajamo Pristinu al onako partzanski, i naravno koji fles kad smo usli u centar, ono rush sto bi se reklo,  rusimo spomenik Klintonu, samo sto je jako zanimljivo sve se to zbiva u SAD, taj rat, Albanija se nalazi tamo negde gde je Dzordzija il' Alabama, dakle na jugu, a Srbija je otprilike nedje gde je Virginija ili North Carolina. Al mi napadamo dole i teramo amerikance, ameri begaju al dosta civila ubijaju, Rusi pomazu sa atomkama ali ih ima i u nasim redovima sa sve onim smesnim uniformama old school...

Dogodine u Prizrenu 

[EKSTREMISTA]

Evo slike našeg idola.Čovek bre zaslužuje bar jednu ulicu u Srbiji.


Vojni psiholog ubio 12, ranio 31 lice u bazi Fort Hud
Vojni psiholog koji se spremao da ode na dužnost u inostranstvo otvorio je juče vatru u vojnoj bazi Fort Hud u državi Teksas, i ubio 12 ljudi a 31 ranio, saopštili su danas zvaničnici


Fox interviews Col. Lee who worked with the Fort Hood shooter

Ovo je najgori napad ovog tipa koji se dogodio u vojnoj bazi unutar Sjedinjenih Država.
Napadač za koga je prvobitno rečeno da je ubijen, ranjen je i nalazi se u bolnici pod vojnom stražom, rekao je general Bob Koun iz Fort Huda.
Koun je rekao da je čovek, identifikovan kao major Nidal Malik Hasan, star 39 godina iz države Virdžinije, pogođen četiri puta, bez svesti i na veštačkim plućima.
Američki predsednik Barak Obama nazvao je ovaj napad "strašnim izlivom nasilja".
"Dovoljno je teško kada gubimo hrabre Amerikance u borbama u inostranstvu ali je zastrašujuće kada se na njih puca u vojnoj bazi na američkom tlu", rekao je Obama.
U bazi u Fort Hudu nalazi se i deo za pripremu vojnika za odlazak na dužnost van zemlje, kao i prihvat onih koji se vraćaju sa misija i prolaze kroz lekarske preglede.
Za sada se ne zna motiv ovog napada.
Pukovnik u penziji Teri Li je rekao za televiziju Foks Njuz da je radio sa Hasanom i da je on trebalo da bude poslat u Avganistan. Li je rekao da se Hasan nadao da će Obama povući američke trupe iz Avganistana i Iraka i da je često ulazio u rasprave sa vojnicima koji su podržavali te ratove.
Prvobitno je troje ljudi privedeno i svi su bili na razgovoru ali vlasti veruju da je bio samo jedan napadač. On je koristio dva pištolja, jedan od kojih je bio poluautomatski. Ni jedan nije izdala vojska.
Hasan je rođen u Vašingtonu, i neoženjen je. On je završio biohemiju 1997 na fakultetu Virdžinia Tek gde je bio član korpusa za obuku rezervnih oficira. Posle toga je završio medicinu na vojnom vakultetu u Betesdi, u državi Meriland.

[Джон Рейнольдс]

Svega ovoga ne bi bilo da je Pera... pardon... da je Obmana povukao "hrabre Amerikance" iz Avganistana i Iraka.

Razmišlja li Obmana o ostavci? Toliko se očekivalo od prvog crnog precednika, slomiće srca mnogih širom sveta.

[Джон Рейнольдс]

Epidemija? 

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/os-shooting-reported-downtown-orlando-20091106,0,7958763.story

Two people are dead and at least 17 were shot in the incident, which took place about noon today.

[scallop]

Ekstremista je pogrešio. Čovek nije psiholog već psihijatar. Opasni su psihijatri kad se na nekog namerače.

[stakmen]

garesu su verovatno bulju pomerali  na poslu u vojsci,sto je musliman...

[Lord Kufer]

Sistemsko, eksponencijalno nasilje prevladava.

Tip koji je ukokao tuce žena i pustio ih da trule tako da je čitav komšiluk smrdeo - a niko ni pet para...

Major-psihijatar koji s dva pištolja ubije 13 ljudi i okrzne još tridesetak... a nije politički korektno nazvati ga teroristom, jer je musliman...

Meksikanac u plavoj košulji i farmerkama ukoka troje i rani još 7 i odveze se srebrnom hondom... (možda je bio ljubomoran?)

Samoubistva/ubistva čitavih porodica, zbog gubitka zaposlenja, stana, itd. niko i ne pominje (takođe sistemski). Opšte zataškavanje i zabašurivanje...

A glavni krivac je verovatno to što su počinioci prestali da uzimaju prepisanu medicinu (a možda će uskoro biti za sve obavezno da uzimaju antidepresive, pošto je to idealni disklejmer koji skida odgovornost sa sistema za ovakvee "randomizovane" i "atipične" ispade)...

[scallop]

Na www.nytimes.com je danas zanimljiva interaktivna struktura nezaposlenih u SAD. Pod donjim naslovom.

The Jobless Rate for People Like You

(Not all groups have felt the recession equally.)

U linijama su uvek uzroci. Ne zbog toga što su krive, već zato što su kategorije previše brojne.

[Lord Kufer]

Jedan od onih utešnih tekstova u glavnim medijima koji simuliraju objektivnost novinarstva.

Zvanično, nezaposlenost u SAD je dostigla 10,2 %, što se nekad, u vreme F D Ruzvelta, smatralo granicom (10%) od koje počinje depresija.
Međutim, "zvanično", prema displeju u Wall Street-u, oni polako ali sigurno "izlaze iz recesije". To što je cena zlata za godinu dana skočila oko 30%, a to je dobar indikator devalvacije dolara, jasno govori da su cifre s berze prosto naduvane bejlautskim, izmišljenim dolarima i ne mogu biti nikakvo merilo stanja američke ekonomije.

Mnogo me podseća na našu situaciju s početka osamdesetih i devedesetih.
Oni stariji će se setiti da se kod nas depresija zvala "stabilizacija"



Samo još jedna "zanimljivost", kao dodatak: uskoro će sastanak G20 u Škotskoj, a mnogi očekuju da će na njemu biti doneta odluka o stvaranju svetske supervalute i odbacivanje dolara kao univerzalne rezervne valute (odustajanje od kupovine američkih obveznica, itd.).

[scallop]

Nisi pročitao članak i nisi pogledao krive. Tekst nije utešan, a 10,2% se odnosi samo na one koji traže posao. Oni koji su odustali i oni sa part time job uvećavaju ovaj procenat na 17%. Poenta je u strukturi krivih, jer ispod proseka su oni svetlije puti, školovaniji, mlađi, muškiji. Iznad su svi ostali.

[Lord Kufer]

Pa to i kažem, zvanično je 10,2%, a ovo je jedan od retkih članaka u glavnim medijima koji malo dublje analizira situaciju. To obično rade sporedni i alternativni mediji, naročito na internetu. Naravno, berza se uopšte više ne odnosi prema konkretnoj ekonomskoj situaciji, već njom manipulišu banke koje su dobile infuziju. Zato i skače gore-dole ko kengur, ko mrtva žaba kojoj su pustili struju.

Sada je mit o poslovima koje Amerikanac ne bi ni pipnuo, razbijen. Eno ih, guraju se u redovima s ilegalnim ejlijenima. Svega nešto više od 18 miliona zaposlenih u SAD radi u proizvodnji dobara, a preko 150 miliona u ostalim preduzećima. Glavna industrija, uključujući automobilsku, im je već preseljena u Kinu, Rusiju, Brazil...

Bojim se da će i tamo, kao što je bilo ovde na Balkanu, za njih praktično "in vitro", glavna industrija uskoro postati industrija zločina. Živi bili pa videli, ali ja ne vidim lepše dane...

[raindelay]

  HIGHLAND PARK, Mich. (AP) -- A 37-year-old father irate over hearing his 15-year-old son had sexual contact with a 3-year-old girl made the teen strip at gunpoint, marched him to a vacant lot and shot him to death despite pleas from the boy and his mother, a relative said.

Michigan authorities filed a first-degree murder charge Wednesday against Jamar Pinkney Sr. in the shooting death Monday of Jamar Pinkney Jr. in the Detroit enclave of Highland Park.

Defense attorney Corbett O'Meara said prosecutors should consider evidence of the father's state of mind over the sex abuse report.

"If something were to happen that would cause a reasonable person to lose control of himself, that is something the prosecution would have to take into account," O'Meara said outside Highland Park District Court.

Tensions were high in the courtroom Wednesday as the handcuffed suspect was led into the room for the arraignment, which lasted less than a minute.

"No, No, No," one female relative cried before a police officer escorted her out.

Judge Brigette Officer entered a not guilty plea for Pinkney, who's also charged with assault, and ordered him jailed without bond until a preliminary examination Dec. 1.

"This is something that's hard to deal with for all the parties concerned, including the police," police Chief Ted Caldwell said afterward. "Highland Park is a small city. These are people who have been members of the community for years."

Caldwell said the sexual misconduct allegation that led to the confrontation wasn't part of the police investigation.

The shooting happened Monday night in a vacant lot in the once-prosperous city of 16,000, where decay, abandonment, fires and demolition have eaten away at many of the sprawling homes. Highland Park recently exited years of state financial oversight.

Visitors built an impromptu memorial at the shooting site. Two votive candles sat amid 10 stuffed animals, including two white teddy bears with red hearts embroidered with, "I love you."

The boy's mother, Lazette Cherry, told the Detroit Free Press that her son told her he had improper sexual contact with the girl.

"I called and told his father. This isn't something you sweep under the rug," she said.

Cherry said the elder Pinkney arrived at the home with a gun, ordered his son to strip and marched him outside despite her protests.

"He got on his knees and begged, `No, Daddy, No,' and he pulled the trigger," Cherry said.

Cherry did not immediately respond to a message Wednesday from The Associated Press seeking comment.

[raindelay]

  Prostitution sting nabs 13-year-old Alabama boy

By JAY REEVES (AP) – 1 day ago

BIRMINGHAM, Ala. — An undercover officer posing as a prostitute in Alabama tried more than once to run off a 13-year-old boy who asked her for sex, but police say the teen insisted and had to be arrested.

Authorities in Mobile said Wednesday the teenager has been charged with a misdemeanor count of loitering while looking for a prostitute. The next-youngest suspect nabbed in the sting was 22.

Police set up the sting in a residential area last week because of complaints about prostitutes trolling for business. Officer Christopher Levy says it's not clear exactly what the teen said to the officer, or how she responded.

The boy's name was not released because of his age. He was taken to a juvenile detention center and released the same day.

Fifteen people were arrested during the sting.

Copyright © 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

[mac]

Dečku se baš nije dalo.

[Ghoul]

kom dečku?
onom crnji sa trogodišnjakinjom, il ovom što navro na kurave?

obrni-okreni, kurac je magnet za nevolju... naročito u tim ludim teen godinama... i to nema veze s amerikom per se.

[scallop]

A 37-year-old father irate over hearing his 15-year-old son had sexual contact with a 3-year-old girl made the teen strip at gunpoint, marched him to a vacant lot and shot him to death despite pleas from the boy and his mother, a relative said.

Mene podsetilo na: Prosper Merime "Mateo Falkone". (Ako je to bio Prosper Merime i ako se priča zvala "Mateo Falkone".)

[Ghoul]

Mene podsetilo na: Prosper Merime "Mateo Falkone". (Ako je to bio Prosper Merime i ako se priča zvala "Mateo Falkone".)

sjajno!
ni boban se ne bi bolje setio!

[raindelay]

  Couple Busted for Refusing to Pay Tip If you're frustrated by poor service at a restaurant, think twice before you decide to not tip. You may be in for a bit more than just a dirty look from the waiter.

"Nobody, nobody wants to be forced to pay a tip or be arrested for terrible service," Leslie Pope said when her happy hour ended in handcuffs.

Pope and John Wagner were hauled away by police and charged with theft for not paying the mandatory 18 percent gratuity totaling $16 after eating at the Lehigh Pub in Bethlehem, Pa. with six friends.

Pope claimed that they had to wait nearly an hour for their order and that she had to get napkins and silverware for the table herself. "At this point I became very annoyed because I had already gone up to the bar myself to have my soda refilled because the waitress never came back," Pope said.

After the $73 bill came, the group paid for food, drinks, and tax but refused to pay the tip. After explaining the bad service to the bartender in charge, Pope claimed he took their money and called police. The couple was handcuffed and placed in the back of a police car.

"I understand that, you know, we didn't pay the gratuity, but it was a gratuity, it wasn't something that was required," said Wagner.

The owner admitted that the group waited unusually long for their food, but said the pub was extremely busy that night. He said managers offered to comp the food, a claim the couple denies ever happened.

"Obviously we would have liked for the patron and the establishment to have worked this out without getting the police involved," said Deputy Police Commissioner Stuart Bedics.

Police charged them with theft since the gratuity was part of the actual bill. However, it is doubtful that the charges will hold up in front of a judge. The couple is scheduled to appear in court next month. http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local-beat/Time-In-Prison--70426052.html?yhp=1