Amerika na ivici propasti?

[Джон Рейнольдс]

Mislim, ja sam za kažnjavanje nasilnika, a znamo da i mlađa deca od te mogu da ubiju nekog, samo nisam sigurna koliko je šizofreni američki način (dete krene da ti se dere pa te prijave zbog zlostavljanja deteta, a onda ti policija odvede dete u lisicama i drži ga u ćorki 12 sati) efikasan za suzbijanje nasilja.

Па, као што наслов овог топика каже... 

[Meho Krljic]

Ti dospela do Njujorka? Rispekt!

Pripazi se Obame, taj ne zna za milost, evo i na sudije je nasrnuo:

Judge upset by Obama's comments on health care law   

HOUSTON (AP) — A federal appeals court judge on Tuesday seemed to take offense to comments President Barack Obama made earlier this week in which he warned that if the Supreme Court overturned his signature health care overhaul it would amount to overreach by an "unelected" court.
The Supreme Court is set to issue a ruling later this year on whether to strike down some or all of the historic health care law.
During oral arguments in Houston in a separate challenge to another aspect of the federal health care law, U.S. 5th Circuit Court of Appeals Judge Jerry Smith said Obama's comments troubled a number of people who have read them as a challenge to the authority of federal courts.
"I'm referring to statements by the president in the past few days to the effect, I'm sure you've heard about them, that it is somehow inappropriate for what he termed unelected judges to strike acts of Congress that have enjoyed, he was referring of course to Obamacare, to what he termed a broad consensus and majorities in both houses of Congress," Smith told Dana Kaersvang, an attorney with the Justice Department in Washington, D.C.
On Monday, Obama issued a direct challenge to the Supreme Court, saying he didn't believe the high court would take the "unprecedented" step of overturning a law passed by a strong majority of Congress.
"I want to be sure that you are telling us that the Attorney General and the Department of Justice do recognize the authority of the federal courts through unelected judges to strike acts of Congress or portions thereof in appropriate cases," Smith said.
A somewhat surprised Kaersvang told Smith the Justice Department does recognize this power by the courts and made reference to a landmark 1803 case that formed the basis for judicial review.
However, Smith ordered Kaersvang to submit a letter to the appeals court by Thursday stating the position of U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder and the Justice Department on the concept of judicial review.
"The letter needs to be at least three pages, single spaced, no less and it needs to be specific. It needs to make specific reference to the president's statements," Smith said.
The case before the appeals court was brought in part by a spine and joint hospital in East Texas that is challenging the constitutionality of a portion of the health care law that restricts physician-owned hospitals from expanding or building new facilities.
The Justice Department did not immediately return a telephone call late Tuesday seeking comment.
White House officials had no comment on Smith's statements, instead referring to comments Obama made earlier Tuesday at the annual meeting of The Associated Press in Washington.
At the meeting, Obama said the Supreme Court "is the final say on our Constitution and our laws, and all of us have to respect it. ... I have enormous confidence that in looking at this law, not only is it constitutional, but that the Court is going to exercise its jurisprudence carefully because of the profound power that our Supreme Court has."
___
Associated Press writer Will Lester in Washington, D.C., contributed to this report

[Barbarin]

U potpisu Joker 

[Mme Chauchat]

[scallop]

Bolji je crni oglas pozadi. Nisam siguran da si stigla doma.

[lilit]

Ti dospela do Njujorka? Rispekt!

Pripazi se Obame, taj ne zna za milost, evo i na sudije je nasrnuo:

Na ulasku u drzavu bejah prisiljena da odslusam deo Obaminog govora tokom sastanka sa kanadskim i meksicim predsednikom. Ne znam da li je ko obratio paznju, ali to je zvucalo gore od novog sveCkog poretka. No, srecom, ima ovde i zabavnijih stvari.



skalope ostrooki,
nisam definitivno. ubice me germanofil u meni. ovde je sve kao u srbijici!

[Barbarin]

Šta je sve kao u srbijici?

[scallop]

Pa, sve. Ima svega, samo nema love.

[džin tonik]

sprema se nova najveca kriza poslije drugog svjetskog rata. nakon sto su spekulanti ugrabili ca. 2 milijarde dolara na cds-ima kladeci se na grcki bankrot, na redu je spanjolska. objasnjenja suvisna, hitler ih je najbolje isprofilirao.

[Джон Рейнольдс]

Шта је то србијица?

[pokojni Steva]

sprema se nova najveca kriza poslije drugog svjetskog rata. nakon sto su spekulanti ugrabili ca. 2 milijarde dolara na cds-ima kladeci se na grcki bankrot, na redu je spanjolska. objasnjenja suvisna, hitler ih je najbolje isprofilirao.

Hitler rants about the EU crisis.wmv

[Meho Krljic]

Americans brace for next foreclosure wave 

GARFIELD HEIGHTS, Ohio (Reuters) - Half a decade into the deepest U.S. housing crisis since the 1930s, many Americans are hoping the crisis is finally nearing its end. House sales are picking up across most of the country, the plunge in prices is slowing and attempts by lenders to claim back properties from struggling borrowers dropped by more than a third in 2011, hitting a four-year low.
But a painful part two of the slump looks set to unfold: Many more U.S. homeowners face the prospect of losing their homes this year as banks pick up the pace of foreclosures.
"We are right back where we were two years ago. I would put money on 2012 being a bigger year for foreclosures than 2010," said Mark Seifert, executive director of Empowering & Strengthening Ohio's People (ESOP), a counseling group with 10 offices in Ohio.
"Last year was an anomaly, and not in a good way," he said.
In 2011, the "robo-signing" scandal, in which foreclosure documents were signed without properly reviewing individual cases, prompted banks to hold back on new foreclosures pending a settlement.
Five major banks eventually struck that settlement with 49 U.S. states in February. Signs are growing the pace of foreclosures is picking up again, something housing experts predict will again weigh on home prices before any sustained recovery can occur.
Mortgage servicing provider Lender Processing Services reported in early March that U.S. foreclosure starts jumped 28 percent in January.
More conclusive national data is not yet available. But watchdog group, 4closurefraud.org which helped uncover the "robo-signing" scandal, says it has turned up evidence of a large rise in new foreclosures between March 1 and 24 by three big banks in Palm Beach County in Florida, one of the states hit hardest by the housing crash
Although foreclosure starts were 50 percent or more lower than for the same period in 2010, those begun by Deutsche Bank were up 47 percent from 2011. Those of Wells Fargo's rose 68 percent and Bank of America's, including BAC Home Loans Servicing, jumped nearly seven-fold -- 251 starts versus 37 in the same period in 2011. Bank of America said it does not comment on data provided by other sources. Wells Fargo and Deutsche Bank did not comment.
Housing experts say localized warning signs of a new wave of foreclosure are likely to be replicated across much of the United States.
Online foreclosure marketplace RealtyTrac estimated that while foreclosures dropped slightly nationwide in February from January and from February 2011, they rose in 21 states and jumped sharply in cities like Tampa (64 percent), Chicago (43 percent) and Miami (53 percent).
RealtyTrac CEO Brandon Moore said the "numbers point to a gradually rising foreclosure tide as some of the barriers that have been holding back foreclosures are removed."
One big difference to the early years of the housing crisis, which was dominated by Americans saddled with the most toxic subprime products -- with high interest rates where banks asked for no money down or no proof of income -- is that today it's mostly Americans with ordinary mortgages whose ability to meet payment have been hit by the hard economic times.
"The subprime stuff is long gone," said Michael Redman, founder of 4closurefraud.org. "Now the folks being affected are hardworking, everyday Americans struggling because of the economy."
"HARD TO CATCH UP"
Until December 2010, Daniel Burns, 52, had spent his working life in the trucking industry as a long-haul driver and manager. When daily loads at the small family business where he worked tailed off, he lost his job.
Unable to cover his mortgage, Burns received a grant from a government fund using money repaid from the 2008 bank bailout. That grant is due to expire in early 2013 and Burns is holding out on hopeful comments from his former employer that he might get his job back if the economy recovers.
"If things don't pick up, I will be out on the street," he said, staring from his living room window at two abandoned houses over the road in the middle-class Cleveland suburb of Garfield Heights, the noise of traffic from a nearby Interstate highway filling the street.
Underscoring the uncertainty of his situation, Burns' cell phone rings and a pre-recorded message announces that his unemployment benefits are due to be cut off in April.
A bit further up the shore of Lake Erie, Cristal Fell, who works night shifts entering data for a trucking company in Toledo, has fallen behind on her mortgage a second time because her ex-husband lost his job and her overtime was cut.
"Once you get behind it's so hard to catch up," she said.
Fell, a mother of four, hopes the economy will gather enough speed to help her avoid any risk of losing her home. Her ex-husband has found a new job and she is getting more overtime, so she hopes she can catch up on her mortgage by the fall.
Burns and Fell are the new face of the U.S. housing crisis: Middle class, suburban or rural with a conventional 30-year fixed mortgage at a reasonable interest rate, but unemployed or underemployed. Although the national unemployment rate has fallen to 8.3 percent from its peak of 10 percent in October 2009, nearly 13 million Americans remain jobless, meaning many are struggling to keep up with their mortgage payments.
Real estate company Zillow Inc says more than one in four American homeowners were "under water" or owed more than their homes were worth in the fourth quarter of 2011. The crisis has wiped out some $7 trillion in U.S. household wealth.
"We're seeing more people coming through who have good loans with reasonable interest rates," said Ed Jacob, executive director of non-profit lender Neighborhood Housing Services of Chicago Inc, which provides foreclosure counseling. "But in many households only one person works now instead of two, or they had their hours cut."
"The answer to the housing crisis now is job creation."
EARLY SIGNS OF UPTICK?
Zillow expects the resurgence in foreclosures this year, combined with excess inventory of unsold, bank-owned homes will contribute to a 3.7 percent national decline in prices before the market hits bottom in 2013 and stays there until 2016.
"The hangover from this crisis will far outlast the party of the boom years," said Zillow chief economist Stan Humphries.
Getting through the remaining foreclosures and dealing with the resulting flood of homes on the market in the wake of the bank settlement is a necessary part of the healing process for the U.S. housing market, he added.
According to leading broker dealer Amherst Securities, some 9.5 million homes are still at risk of default and in February it said it expected to see the uptick in foreclosures start to hit in March and April.
There is other evidence that many of the foreclosures that did not happen in 2011 will happen this year.
A January report by the Neighborhood Economic Development Advocacy Project in New York found that in the first half of 2011 the number of 90-day pre-foreclosure notices in New York City outnumbered court foreclosure actions by a ratio of 14 to one, indicating that while proceedings were initiated against many homeowners, they were left incomplete.
"Now the banks have a settlement, foreclosure numbers for 2012 are going to be high," said NEDAP co-director Josh Zinner.
A recent survey by the California Reinvestment Coalition, an umbrella group of nearly 300 non-profit groups in the state, of member agencies found 75 percent of respondents expected increased demand for their foreclosure prevention services in 2012 but more than a third had to scale back services because of funding cuts.
"Funding is a major concern given what our members expect for this year," said associate director Kevin Stein.
All this has non-profits intensifying calls for the Federal Housing Finance Agency to drop its opposition to allowing the government-backed mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac it regulates to reduce principal for underwater homeowners.
Principal reduction involves reducing the amount borrowers owe in order to make a loan modification affordable for struggling homeowners. Republicans and the FHFA oppose principal reduction because of the risk of "moral hazard"- that homeowners who do not need help will seek to abuse largesse and have their mortgages reduced too.
ESOP in Ohio engages in "hits" on Chase branches -- they say Chase is the least accommodating major bank when it comes to working with struggling homeowners -- where they try to hand letters to bank mangers calling on chief executive Jamie Dimon to lobby FHFA head Edward DeMarco for principal reductions. A Chase spokeswoman said the bank has made "extensive efforts" to work with homeowners, helping 775,000 borrowers stay in their homes since early 2009, avoiding foreclosure "more than twice as often as we have had to foreclose." Housing groups like ESOP maintain, as they have throughout the housing crisis, that unless the FHFA embraces widespread principal reduction, many more under water borrowers face losing their homes.
"Until banks engage in meaningful principal reduction as a matter of course," ESOP's Seifert said after a recent protest at a Chase branch in Cleveland, "this crisis will not end."
(Reporting By Nick Carey; Editing by Martin Howell and William Schomberg; Desking by Andrew Hay)

[Meho Krljic]

A o istom trošku, MIT istraživači predviđaju narednu veliku depresiju & kolaps civilizacije do 2030. godine:

Next Great Depression? MIT researchers predict 'global economic collapse' by 2030 

A new study from researchers at Jay W. Forrester's institute at MIT says that the world could suffer from "global economic collapse" and "precipitous population decline" if people continue to consume the world's resources at the current pace.
Smithsonian Magazine writes that Australian physicist Graham Turner says "the world is on track for disaster" and that current evidence coincides with a famous, and in some quarters, infamous, academic report from 1972 entitled, "The Limits to Growth."
Produced for a group called The Club of Rome, the study's researchers created a computing model to forecast different scenarios based on the current models of population growth and global resource consumption. The study also took into account different levels of agricultural productivity, birth control and environmental protection efforts. Twelve million copies of the report were produced and distributed in 37 different languages.
Most of the computer scenarios found population and economic growth continuing at a steady rate until about 2030. But without "drastic measures for environmental protection," the scenarios predict the likelihood of a population and economic crash.
However, the study said "unlimited economic growth" is still possible if world governments enact policies and invest in green technologies that help limit the expansion of our ecological footprint.

The Smithsonian notes that several experts strongly objected to "The Limit of Growth's" findings, including the late Yale economist Henry Wallich, who for 12 years served as a governor of the Federal Research Board and was its chief international economics expert. At the time, Wallich said attempting to regulate economic growth would be equal to "consigning billions to permanent poverty."
Turner says that perhaps the most startling find from the study is that the results of the computer scenarios were nearly identical to those predicted in similar computer scenarios used as the basis for "The Limits to Growth."
"There is a very clear warning bell being rung here," Turner said. "We are not on a sustainable trajectory."

[pokojni Steva]

Biće skoro propast sveta

[scallop]

Eto, džaba trud. Mi to odavno znamo.

[Meho Krljic]

Moraju i ti na MITu da nekako zarade plate.

[scallop]

Razumem ja njih, ali zašto ti to radiš džaba, kad je Voki Kostić sve odavno objasnio?

[sleep]

[Джон Рейнольдс]

A new study from researchers at Jay W. Forrester's institute at MIT says that the world could suffer from "global economic collapse" and "precipitous population decline" if people continue to consume the world's resources at the current pace.

Пре неки дан сам писао о томе. Који то људи троше ресурсе? То је питање. Кликћем по овим линковима, па видим спомиње се "birth control", па "Most scenarios resulted in an ongoing growth of population", где одмах затим иде "Only drastic measures for environmental protection", итд. Дакле, опет се провлачи исто, да је један од главних проблема пренасељеност. Као што сам већ спомињао, у свим документарцима о потрошњи ресурса, стално видимо црнце и Кинезе, ту и тамо неку недефинисану градску вреву. Па зато и питам, ко бре истроши то све?

Просте претраге по нету дају резултате:

Рецимо, нафта, извор - CIA:

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2174rank.html

Који је проценат укупне популације у државама на прва два места?

Или овакав неки податак, наводно извучен из књиге Population Bomb:

Americans constitute 5% of the world's population but consume 24% of the world's energy.

On average, one American consumes as much energy as

    2 Japanese
    6 Mexicans
    13 Chinese
    31 Indians
    128 Bangladeshis
    307 Tanzanians
    370 Ethiopians

Americans throw out 200,000 tons of edible food daily.

[Barbarin]

EEE sve je to počela pre jedno 300 godina, a vrv i ranije, nabavite knjigu Veritas ili skoknite do knjižare neke i pročitajte samo kraj knjige tj Beleške, mnoge stvari će vam biti jasnije. Od nameštanja vladara u državama, stvaranje papirnog novca, vakcinacije.....

[mac]

Šta vakcinacije? Ne nabacuj tako insinuacije bez potrebnih detalja. Nije lepo, a nije ni ljudski.

[scallop]

Zna se ko ugrožava resurse. Onaj ko je spreman da uništi svet da bi ih se domogao.

[Barbarin]

Malo mi je komplikovano da sve objasnim ovako kucajući, možda nešto zaboravim, pa sam reko da skoknete do knjižare i pročitate, ima dvadesetak strana.

Al evo malo da zagolicam, radi se o Velikim Boginjama,
    " Od uvođenja potkožnog cepljenja do kraja 18 veka u Evropi je od velikih boginja umrlo šezdeset miliona ljudi" pa ima spisak po državama koliko je ljudi umiralo  "A koliko je ljudi umiralo od velikih boginja pre nego što je uvedeno cepljenje? Evo, na primer, podatak za London: trideset osmoro umrlih 1666, šezdesetoro 1684, i osamdeset dvoje 1636. Ukratko, skoro niko."

[mac]

Imajući u vidu podatak da danas niko ne umire od velikih boginja, meni nikakva zavera ne pada na um, niti mi je mašta ikako zagolicana.

[scallop]

Ne treba ti mašta. Čovek kaže da je potkožno cepljenje bilo pogrešno.

[mac]

Šta su posledice sa i bez, i koja je alternativa?

[scallop]

Oćeš studiju ili da ostavim da se sam domisliš?

[mac]

Evo šta ja mislim. Da nemamo vakcinacije sad bi svetom harale ne samo razne boginje, nego i razne druge boleštine. Stvarno nemam predstavu šta bi mogla biti alternativa vakcinaciji.

[Ghoul]

Stvarno nemam predstavu šta bi mogla biti alternativa vakcinaciji.

barbarstvo.

[scallop]

Eto, rešio ti problem. Što bih ja tebi objašnjavao da je čovek čitirao Veritas i događaje od pre trista i kusur godina? Ti ćeš to da podesiš prema sebi i da tvrdiš nešto sasvim drugo što niko nije dovodio u pitanje.

[Meho Krljic]

Sad se i ja čudim, boginje (posebno variola vera) su uobičajeno citirane kao jedna od najsmrtonosnijih zaraza koje su mučile čovečanstvo pre uvođenja vakcijacije. Naprosto mi je neverovatno da slušam da je smrtnost bila izuzetno mala pre vakcinacije. Voelo bih da vidim neke uverljive izvore za ovo jer brza pretraga nasumice daje samo tvrdnje da je smrtnost bila izuzetno visoka pre vakcinacije.

Plus, prve vakcinacije su počele tek pred kraj 18 veka. A smrtnost je tokom druge polovine tog veka bila oko 400,000 ljudi (u Evropi) godišnje. Mislim, ništa mi se tu baš ne slaže.

[džin tonik]

nebuloze. vec su stari egipcani masovno umirali od velikih boginja a u europi bijase jos od uvoza putem rimljana gore od kuge. kaze loni.

[Meho Krljic]

Ja ovako laički i mislim da su bile gore od kuge jer je duži period inkubacije i bolesti pre nego što pacijent umre pa je i mogućnost širenja veća.

[džin tonik]

da, ja citiram njemacki izvor. pise da je odnijela daleko vise ljudi od kuge, vise od 10% djece srednjeg vijeka prije navrsene 10. godine umiralo je zbog tog virusa. zadnji slucaj u nj. zabiljezen 1972., unesen sa kosova.
ima i clanak o razvoju cjepiva, uglavnom djelotvornog od 1771. a u kini i indiji postoje razni nacini imunizacije navodno vec ca. 3000 godina.

[Meho Krljic]

Da, to sve sam i ja video na engleskom...

[džin tonik]

prepisali su od nijemaca...

[lilit]

sve je prepisano od nemaca. berlin!!!!

sad nemam vremena da pisem naveliko, ali da nije bilo edwarda jennera, ne bi bilo ni današnje imunologije.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Jenner

[Ghoul]

sad nemam vremena da pisem naveliko, ali da nije bilo edwarda jennera, ne bi bilo ni današnje imunologije.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Jenner

drugim rečima, da nije bilo njega, ne bi se ni ti sad švrćkala po belom svetu!

[džin tonik]

koji tip. pise da je zarazio djete nekim kravljim boginjama, te nakon toga pravim i utvrdio da je djete - prezivjelo!
very english.

[Meho Krljic]

Nego, evo kako ne valja ni da dobijete veliki bakšiš:

Minnesota Waitress Sues After Police Seize $12,000 'Tip' 

Stacy Knutson, a struggling Minnesota waitress and mother of five, says she was searching for a "miracle" to help her family with financial problems.
But that "miracle" quickly came and went after police seized a $12,000 tip that was left at her table. Knutson filed a lawsuit in Clay County District Court stating that the money is rightfully hers. Police argue it is drug money.
Knutson was working at the Fryn' Pan in Moorhead, Minn., when, according to her attorney, Craig Richie, a woman left a to-go box from another restaurant on the table. Knutson followed the woman to her car to return the box to her.
"No I am good, you keep it," the woman said, according to the lawsuit.
Knutson did not know the woman and has not seen her since, Richie said. Knutson thought it was "strange" that the woman told her to keep it but she took it inside. The box felt too heavy to be leftovers, Ritchie said, so she opened it -- only to find bundles of cash wrapped in rubber bands.
[Related: Firefighters donate lottery winnings to ailing colleague]
"Even though I desperately needed the money as my husband and I have five children, I feel I did the right thing by calling the Moorhead Police," Knutson said in the lawsuit.
Police seized the money and originally told Knutson that if no one claimed it after 60 days, it was hers. She was later told 90 days, Richie said. When 90 days passed, Knutson was still without the $12,000.
Police told Knutson the money was being held as "drug money" and she would receive a $1,000 reward instead, the lawsuit states. Lt. Tory Jacobson of the Moorhead police said he could not disclose much information about the case because it is an ongoing investigation.
"With turning this money over to us, we initiated an investigation to determine whose money this is," Jacobson told ABC News. "The result has been a narcotics investigation."
Police argue that the money had a strong odor of marijuana and therefore falls under a law that allows for forfeiture of the money because it was in the proximity of a controlled substance, the lawsuit states. But there were no drugs in the box and Richie said he believes this law is not being used correctly.
[Related: What happens to seized "drug money"?]
"Because it was in contact with drugs somewhere along the line, it's somehow drug money," Richie said. "This isn't drug money."
A police dog also performed a sniff test on the money and, according to the dog's handler, discovered an odor.
Two of Knutson's co-workers, along with her son Brandon, were at the Fryn' Pan the night she discovered the money. Her co-workers say they did not smell marijuana.
"I know the smell of marijuana," Nickolas Fronning, a line cook at the Fryn' Pan, said in an affidavit. "I can also assure you that there was no smell of marijuana on the bills or coming from the box."
There was nothing suspicious in the restaurant when the money was found, co-workers said. They don't why it was given to Knutson.
"She was just in the right place at the right time," Tracy Johnson, the assistant manager at the Fryn' Pan, told ABC News.
Knutson's family has had a long financial struggle. She has been a waitress at the Fryn' Pan for 18 years.
"We do everything we can to make ends meet, but often times everything is not covered," she said in the lawsuit.
Knutson's financial woes are well-known in her church, Richie said. She believes that perhaps someone from the church gave her the money through this woman but did not want to be identified.
"Somebody knew she really needed the money and she needed to be helped," Richie said.
Jacobson says it is up to the judge to decide who the money rightfully belongs to.
"The police department doesn't have a decision on either side," Jacobson said. "She did the right thing, we credit her with that. It's certainly not the police department against her. We're actually with her."
But Richie said he firmly believes this is not drug money and it rightfully belongs to Knutson.
"The only thing that smells bad about this is that it's unfair," Richie said. "So that's why we're doing something about it."

[Ghoul]

ova džukela u srbiji ne bi dobila ni mesec dana zatvora, a kamoli 10 godina - ili bi?
zna li neko za slučaj apse kod nas za ovakvu vrstu svinjoguzije?

Craigslist Dog Killer Sentenced

http://news.petpardons.com/free-to-a-good-home-craigslist-dog-killer-sentenced-in-west-virginia/

[pokojni Steva]

Ubijanje i mučenje životinja/Član 269

(1) Ko kršeći propise ubije, povredi ili muči životinju, kazniće se novčanom kaznom ili zatvorom do šest meseci.

(2) Ako je usled dela iz stava 1. ovog člana došlo do ubijanja, mučenja ili povređivanja većeg broja životinja, ili je delo učinjeno u odnosu na životinju koja pripada posebno zaštićenim životinjskim vrstama, učinilac će se kazniti novčanom kaznom ili zatvorom do tri godine.

http://www.nezavisni-aktivisti.bravehost.com/zakoni_i_propisi.html

Nisam čuo da je neko fasovao robiju...

[Barbarin]

Zato sam lepo reko da odete do knjižare i pročitate sami, knjiga nije puko špekulisanje i napisana je veoma ozbiljno sve u njoj je istina, jer su pisci kopali po arhivima, bibliotekama i koristili su preko 350 izvora, svi popisani na kraju knjige.

U Kini se jeste koristila imunizacija ali ne tako što se potkožno unosio virus boginja, nego inhalacijom, tj prirodnim putem, problem je nastao u evropi kad se cepivo krenulo unositi kroz krv. Razlika u simptomima je velika kad se normalno razboliš od boginja, a drugačiji kad se putem krvi unese virus.

PS Na internetu i nećete naći tako neke podatke, jer zavera je krenula pre 300 godina, i oni koji je održavaju i idalje zarađuju na njoj, paze kakve informacije kruže netom. Koga zanima knjigu u ruke, ne budite lenji.

[Meho Krljic]

Uz dužno poštovanje:

Svi akademski izvori u slobodnoj cirkulaciji - dakle, podložni stalnim kritikama i revizijama od strane nezavisnih kritičara i revizionista i proverljivi od strane svakoga ko proveru želi da izvrši - svi oni tvrde jedno a jedna knjiga koja je A) beletristika i B) napisali su je jedna filološkinja i teoretičar muzike, tvrdi drugo i mi bi trebalo da sad odjednom verujemo kako su njih dvoje otkrili neverovatno dobro čuvanu zaveru koju nisu razotkrile hiljade naučnika i akademskih radnika (jer su potplaćeni? zastrašeni? zombiji?). I ti nam to ozbiljno govoriš?

[scallop]

Meho, baš si zlotvor. Ne daš nam da iz spekulacija izvlačimo istinu. I to na sajtu fantastike. Nije čudo što ne verujemo da smo iz čiste beslovesnosti onih koji vode ovaj svet zaglavili tu gde smo zaglavili. Sirotinja raja samo traži smisao u tome, jer je verovatnija umna zavera od totalne gluposti. Mel Gibson je na našoj strani.

[Meho Krljic]

Ma, meni su teorije zavere supersimpatične, ali moramo ih staviti u kontekst razbibrige i psihosocijalne podrške.

[Mme Chauchat]

Kad su u pitanju teorije zavere o vakcinaciji, one mogu imati izuzetno štetne posledice kad npr. naivni roditelji počnu da brane vakcinaciju svoje dece od (popuniti po želji).

EDIT: na primer. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMR_vaccine_controversy

[scallop]

Alo, bre! Ja namerno trpam u spekulaciju, a vi se ložite u odbranu nečega što se ne može odbraniti. Hajd, odbranite mi najnoviju zaveru sa vakcinom protiv ptičjeg gripa. Sve se dogodilo samo da bi farmaceustka industrija imala "dobar i profitabilan" proizvod. Ili, namerno spuštanje dozvoljenih vrednosti za holesterol i trigliceride, da bismo se osećali ugroženim i kupovali lekove koji nas ne leče. Ili, varijante suplemenata kalcijuma, magnezijuma i ostalih "neophodnih" supstanci, e da bismo preživeli, koje uredno pokakimo onako kako smo ih progutali. Budući da se govori o prošlosti, kako tumačite silne trejdere i pedlere sa njihovim "čarobnim" vodicama na Divljem i ne-tako-Divljem Zapadu. Ako nas farbaju k'o jajca za Uskrs u tom domenu, kako da nas ne farbaju za nešto veće? Veći igrači, veči farbači. Živeo Mel Gibson!

[džin tonik]

sad se osjecam kao gorila kad su spaceballsi sletjeli na forum majmuna.

[lilit]

plus, svuda piše da je (i zbog čega je) intradermalna imunizacija, tj. "potkožna vakcinacija" praktično zabranjena danas (u ovom slučaju).

(ubacili se razni )