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Father Jape

QuoteA few years after the first World Trade Center bombing, I was broke again, and my downstairs neighbor, a piano teacher, said that he could cut me in on a deal for some extra cash. All I had to do was put on a toga and a hockey mask and listen to this old naked guy talk about his arcane Vietnam War sex fantasy while my neighbor shoved a bottle up his ass. It paid like $200. Worth every penny.
Blijedi čovjek na tragu pervertita.
To je ta nezadrživa napaljenost mladosti.
Dušman u odsustvu Dušmana.

Meho Krljic

Samo da notiramo pucnjavu koja se juče desila u Vašingtonu:

http://news.yahoo.com/shots-fired-at-washington-navy-yard--u-s--navy-confirms-130407614.html

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WASHINGTON — The FBI is asking the public for help in determining why a former Navy reservist opened fire early Monday at the Washington Navy Yard, killing at least 12 people before he was shot dead by police.

The suspected gunman was identified by the FBI as Aaron Alexis, a 34-year-old civilian contractor from Queens, N.Y., who most recently resided in Fort Worth, Texas. The FBI asked the public to contact the bureau with any tips related to the shooter.

"This investigation is still very active," Valerie Parlave, the FBI's assistant director-in-charge, said at a news conference. "No piece of information is too small."

According to a bio released by the U.S. Navy, Alexis was a full-time reservist from 2007 to 2011. He left the Navy on Jan. 31, 2011, as a petty officer 3rd class and had been working for the fleet logistics support squadron No. 46 in Fort Worth.

Washington Mayor Vincent Gray said Alexis was shot during a gun battle with officers.
[Full coverage: Washington Navy Yard shooting]

Alexis was arrested in Fort Worth in 2010 for discharging a firearm in city limits, police records show. Alexis told police he had fired the gun accidentally when he was cleaning it, according to a police report filed with the Tarrant County Criminal District Attorney's Office. Charges were never filed.

Alexis was also arrested in Seattle in 2004, according to the Seattle Police Department, for "shooting out the tires of another man's vehicle in what Alexis later described as an anger-fueled 'blackout.'"

A Navy official told Reuters Alexis received a general discharge from the Navy in 2011 "after a series of misconduct issues."

The Navy Yard was placed on lockdown after shots were fired inside a building on the base, the Navy said. A Metro police officer and naval base officer were among those injured in the shooting, according to the D.C. Metro Police.

"As far as we know, it's an isolated incident," Gray said. "We don't have any known motive at this juncture."

The mayor said there was "no reason at this stage" to believe it was terrorism, but would not rule it out.

Gray said the victims ranged in age from 46 to 73, and were either civilians or contractors.
Authorities were initially seeking two additional suspects based on witness accounts and surveillance footage, but later ruled them out and determined Alexis acted alone.

Before a scheduled economic speech at the White House, President Barack Obama deplored "yet another mass shooting" — this one targeting military and civilian personnel.

"These are men and women who were going to work, doing their job, protecting all of us," Obama said. "They're patriots, and they know the dangers of serving abroad. But today they faced the unimaginable: violence that they wouldn't have expected here at home."

"We will do everything in our power to make sure that whoever carried out this cowardly act is held responsible," the president added. "I want the investigation to be seamless."

Janis Orlowski, chief medical officer at Washington Hospital Center, said one Metropolitan Police officer and two civilians are being treated there. All three arrived in critical condition, Orlowski said, but are expected to make a full recovery.

One was shot in the legs, another in the shoulder. Those victims were in surgery, Orlowski said. A woman who was shot in the head and hand would not need surgery because the bullet did not penetrate her skull.

The Navy said shots were fired at the Naval Sea Systems Command Headquarters building on the base at 8:20 a.m., and a "shelter in place" order was issued for Navy Yard personnel.
Rick Mason, a program management specialist, told Yahoo News he was on the fourth floor when he saw someone with a gun aiming down into the atrium. The gunman, Mason said, was targeting people who walked into the cafeteria.

Other employees described a chaotic scene.

"We heard two shots and started wondering if that was the sound of someone dropping something or if they were really shots," Omar Grant, a civilian employee at the Navy Yard who was on the first floor of the atrium, said. "We heard three more shots, and that's when people started running out of the building and getting the hell out of there."
Grant then led a blind colleague to safety.

Approximately 3,000 people work in the building, the Navy said, though it's unclear how many people were inside at the time of the shooting.

The U.S. Senate complex was locked down "in light of the uncertainty surrounding the shooting at the Navy Yard this morning and particularly the possibility of suspects remaining at large," the Senate said in an alert to staffers. "You may move about the building; however, for the next two hours you may not leave nor can anyone enter the building."

A White House official said the president had been briefed several times throughout the morning about the unfolding situation at the Navy Yard by assistant to the president for homeland security and counterterrorism Lisa Monaco and deputy chief of staff Alyssa Mastromanaco.
A heavy SWAT and police presence could be seen around the Navy Yard. Outside the base, employees sat huddled, crying and holding each other. At least one of the victims was airlifted from the scene, as helicopters circled overhead.
A temporary ground stop was ordered at Reagan National Airport, and schools in the area were placed on temporary lockdown.

The 41-acre Navy Yard, located five blocks from Nationals Stadium and a mile and a half from the Capitol, is home to the chief of naval operations and headquarters for the Naval Historical Center and numerous naval commands.

The Washington Nationals postponed Monday's home game against the Atlanta Braves in the wake of the tragedy. The parking lot at the ballpark was used to reunite Navy Yard employees with their family members.

According to the Navy's website, Naval Sea Systems "engineers, builds, buys and maintains the Navy's ships and submarines and their combat systems." Approximately 60,000 people work there.

— With Olivier Knox reporting from the White House.


Meho Krljic

Već smo negde na ovom topiku pisali o HFT-u. Evo sad kako stvari dolaze do apsurdnih, grotesknih proporcija. Federalne vlasti u Americi su pre neki dan objavile informaciju koja potencijalno omogućava solidno berzansko bogaćenje firmama koje brzo reaguju. Informacija je objavljena u Vašingtonu u dva popodne računajući po atomskom satu u istom gradu. Da bi ova informacija brzinom svetlosti stigla do Čikaga, potrebno je sedam milisekundi (mada bloger koga dole citiram kaže da u teoriji fajber optik kabl možda može da je prenese za 3,2 milisekunde i, ako se neko istrošio za neutrino-tunel, možda može da se govori i o svega tri milisekunde), a ipak je nekoliko velikih zahteva objavljeno jedva dve milisekunde posle dva popodne.

Sad, ovo je bizarna situacija u kojoj se susreću fizika i pravo. Po zakonu, ako si imao informaciju pre nego što je javno objavljena i iskoristio je na nefer način, to jest da ostvariš poslovnu prednost i zaradu, to je "insider trading" odnosno klasična korupcija koja se kažnjava. Sad, firme koje su odradile ovaj posao su tehnički gledano informaciju iskoristile nakon što je postala javna, ali, čisto tehnički gledano pre nego što je ta informacija mogla uopšte da stigne do njih. Dakle, svima je jasno da su imali insajderske informacije iako, opet tehnički, nisu prekršili zakon. Bilo bi do jaja da ovo stigne na sud i da slušamo raspravu.  :lol:



Somebody Stole 7 Milliseconds From the Federal Reserve

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Last Wednesday, the Fed announced that it would not be tapering its bond buying program. This news was released at precisely 2 p.m. in Washington "as measured by the national atomic clock." It takes seven milliseconds for this information to get to Chicago. However, several huge orders that were based on the Fed's decision were placed on Chicago exchanges two to three milliseconds after 2 p.m. How did this happen?
CNBC has the story here, and the answer is: We don't know. Reporters get the Fed release early, but they get it in a secure room and aren't permitted to communicate with the outside world until precisely 2 p.m. Still, maybe someone figured out a way to game the embargo. It would certainly be worth a ton of money. Investigations are ongoing, but Neil Irwin has this to say:

In the meantime, there's another useful lesson out of the whole episode. It is the reality of how much trading activity, particularly of the ultra-high-frequency variety is really a dead weight loss for society.
...There is a role in [capital] markets for traders whose work is more speculative...But when taken to its logical extremes, such as computers exploiting five millisecond advantages in the transfer of market-moving information, it's much less clear that society gains anything...In the high-frequency trading business, billions of dollars are spent on high-speed lines, programming talent, and advanced computers by funds looking to capitalize on the smallest and most fleeting of mispricings. Those are computing resources and insanely intelligent people who could instead be put to work making the Internet run faster for everyone, or figuring out how to distribute electricity more efficiently, or really anything other than trying to figure out how to trade gold futures on the latest Fed announcement faster than the speed of light.
Yep. I'm not sure what to do about it, though. A tiny transaction tax still seems like a workable solution, although there are several real-world issues with it. Worth a look, though.
In a related vein, let's talk a bit more about this seven millisecond figure. That might very well be how long it takes a signal to travel from Washington, DC, to Chicago via a fiber-optic cable, but in fact the two cities are only 960 kilometers apart. At the speed of light, that's 3.2 milliseconds. A straight line path would be a bit less, perhaps 3 milliseconds. So maybe someone has managed to set up a neutrino communications network that transmits directly through the earth. It couldn't transfer very much information, but if all you needed was a few dozen bits (taper/no taper, interest rates up/down, etc.) it might work a treat. Did anyone happen to notice an extra neutrino flux in the upper Midwest corridor at 2 p.m. last Wednesday? Perhaps Wall Street has now co-opted not just the math geek community, and not just the physics geek community, but the experimental physics geek community. Wouldn't that be great?


Father Jape

Blijedi čovjek na tragu pervertita.
To je ta nezadrživa napaljenost mladosti.
Dušman u odsustvu Dušmana.

Meho Krljic

Obami su podmetnuli nogu. Obamaker neće tako lako zaskočiti Amerikance, dok se Republikanci tu nešto pitaju:
House votes to avoid shutdown, delay Obamacare
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WASHINGTON (AP) — The Republican-run House has voted to avoid a partial government shutdown next week but also delay President Barack Obama's health care law.
Because of that condition, the White House has promised the overall legislation will be vetoed. That means the two sides are edging closer to a shutdown of many federal services Tuesday morning, with no obvious solution in sight.
The House sent the legislation to the Democratic-run Senate early Sunday by 231-192.
The bill would delay much of the 2010 health care overhaul for a year. It would also repeal a tax on medical devices that helps finance the health care law.
The shutdown bill will probably never reach Obama because the Senate's majority leader, Nevada Democrat Harry Reid, says his chamber will reject the measure first.


Meho Krljic

Congress misses deadline for averting shutdown
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WASHINGTON (AP) — Congress has missed the deadline for averting the first partial government shutdown in 17 years.
As the clock struck midnight Monday, House Republicans were demanding that the Senate negotiate their demand for a one-year delay in making millions of people buy health insurance under President Barack Obama's 2010 health care law. Minutes before midnight, the White House ordered a shutdown.
The Democratic Senate on Monday twice rejected GOP demands to delay key portions of what has become to known as Obamacare as a condition for keeping the government open.
An estimated 800,000 federal workers faced furloughs though many were told work a half day Tuesday. Critical functions like air traffic control and military operations will continue. Social Security benefits will be paid. National parks and most federal offices will close.


Meho Krljic

Čoveka puštaju iz zatvora (samice!) posle 41 godine jer je zaključeno da mu je suđenjem na kome u poroti nije bila ni jedna žena narušeno ljudsko pravo garantovano 14. članom američkog ustava. Rano su se setili...

La prisoner freed after 41 years of solitary

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NEW ORLEANS (AP) — A 71-year-old Louisiana prisoner who spent 41 years in solitary confinement and is now dying of cancer was released late Tuesday from prison, his attorneys said.
Late Tuesday, U.S. District Chief Judge Brian Jackson in Baton Rouge denied the state's motion seeking to block his earlier order overturning Herman Wallace's 1974 murder conviction in the death of Angola guard Brent Miller.
Jackson had also ordered a new trial because women were unconstitutionally excluded from the grand jury that indicted Wallace in the guard's death. And, he ordered him immediately released.
Wallace's attorneys said the freed prisoner left a correctional center in St. Gabriel by ambulance Tuesday evening and was expected to go to LSU Interim Hospital in New Orleans for treatment of advanced terminal liver cancer.
"Tonight, Herman Wallace has left the walls of Louisiana prisons and will be able to receive the medical care that his advanced liver cancer requires," his legal team said in a statement.
Earlier Tuesday, Jackson overturned Wallace's 1974 murder conviction in Miller's death.
"The record in this case makes clear that Mr. Wallace's grand jury was improperly chosen in violation of the Fourteenth Amendment's guarantee of 'the equal protection of the laws' ... and that the Louisiana courts, when presented with the opportunity to correct this error, failed to do so," Jackson wrote.
He added, "Our Constitution requires this result even where, as here, it means overturning Mr. Wallace's conviction nearly forty years after it was entered."
George Kendall, one of Wallace's attorneys, told The Associated Press in an earlier telephone interview the decision gives his client "some measure of justice after a lifetime of injustice," but his response was tempered by the grim outlook for Wallace's health.
"He's pleased," Kendall said of Wallace's reaction after hearing of Tuesday's ruling, "but he's quite ill."
Wallace, whose birthday is Oct. 13, has been diagnosed with terminal liver cancer. Kendall said he "ceased receiving treatment a couple of weeks ago."
Kendall said the state had filed notice it would appeal Jackson's ruling. A telephone message left with East Baton Rouge Parish District Attorney Hillar C. Moore III's office was not immediately returned. The state Department of Public Safety and Corrections referred all questions to Moore's office.
Wallace and two other inmates convicted in the 23-year-old guard's slaying came to be known as the "Angola 3."
Wallace, of New Orleans, was serving a 50-year armed robbery sentence when Miller was fatally stabbed in 1972. Wallace and the two others convicted in Miller's death were moved to isolation at the Louisiana State Penitentiary in Angola. In 2009, Wallace was moved to "closed-cell restriction" at Hunt Correctional in St. Gabriel and recently was taken to the prison's hospital unit.
Kendall said his client has asked that, after his demise, they continue to press the lawsuit challenging Wallace's "unconstitutional confinement in solitary confinement for four decades."
"It is Mr. Wallace's hope that this litigation will help ensure that others, including his lifelong friend and fellow 'Angola 3' member, Albert Woodfox, do not continue to suffer such cruel and unusual confinement even after Mr. Wallace is gone," his legal team said in a written statement.
Kendall said Woodfox won full habeas relief last year but the state has appealed that as well. The case is pending before the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.
In 2010, Woodfox was moved to the David Wade Correctional Center in Homer, where he remains in custody.
Woodfox and Wallace have continued to deny involvement in Miller's killing and say they were targeted because they helped establish a prison chapter of the Black Panther Party at the Angola prison in 1971, set up demonstrations and organized strikes for better conditions in the prison.
Amnesty International USA last year delivered a petition to Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal's office, containing 65,000 signatures from people around the world who called the men's solitary confinement inhuman and degrading.
The group's executive director, Steven W. Hawkins, welcomed the court's ruling involving Wallace. "Tragically, this step toward justice has come as Herman is dying from cancer with only days or hours left to live," he said in a statement. "No ruling can erase the cruel, inhuman and degrading prison conditions he endured for more than 41 years."
The third man, Robert King, was released after 29 years in solitary confinement. King, convicted of killing a fellow inmate in 1973, was released in 2001 after his conviction was reversed and he pleaded guilty to the lesser charge of conspiracy to commit murder.

Truba

čini mi se da je zbog njih cijeli svijet opet na ivici

jbt treba izvršiti kakvu invaziju na njih i stavit ih pod protektorat  :|
Najjači forum na kojem se osjećam kao kod kuće i gdje uvijek mogu reći što mislim bez posljedica, mada ipak ne bih trebao mnogo pričati...

Ugly MF

Treba poslati one Korejce ko u filmu :)

Ghoul

https://ljudska_splacina.com/

Meho Krljic

Čujte, možda ljudi koji žive u staklenim kućama itd. itd.

Prijemni ispit za starlete

Meho Krljic

A da pokažemo da su glasine o američkoj propasti možda blago preuranjene (ekonomskoj makar, moralna im se već desila), evo vesti da su SAD sada veći proizvođač nafte i gasa i od Saudijske Arabije i od Majčice Rusije:

http://blogs.marketwatch.com/energy-ticker/2013/10/04/move-over-russia-u-s-is-now-the-worlds-biggest-oil-gas-producer/

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The U.S. will end 2013 as the world's largest producer of petroleum and natural gas, surpassing Russia and Saudi Arabia, the Energy Information Administration said Friday.
The EIA estimated combined U.S. petroleum and gas production this year will hit 50 quadrillion British thermal units, or 25 million barrels of oil equivalent a day, outproducing Russia by 5 quadrillion Btu.
Petroleum production includes crude oil, natural gas liquids, condensates, and biofuels.
U.S. and Russian energy production over the past two years have been roughly equivalent. Since 2008, U.S. petroleum production has increased 7 quadrillion Btu, with "dramatic" growth in Texas and North Dakota, the EIA said.
U.S. natural gas production has risen 3 quadrillion Btu over the same period, the agency said, while Russia and Saudi Arabia each increased their combined petroleum and natural gas production by about 1 quadrillion Btu since 2008, the EIA said.
The EIA data confirm an analysis by The Wall Street Journal on Wednesday, saying the U.S. was poised to overtake Russia as the world's largest producer this year — if it hasn't already.
Tapping shale rock for oil and gas has fueled the U.S. boom, while Russia has struggled to keep up its output. The domestic energy boom is reshaping oil markets and chipping away at the political clout long held by  petroleum-rich countries, the Journal said.

scallop

To treba posmatrati sa druge tačke gledišta: Do sada su arčili tuđe resurse.
Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. - Mark Twain.

BladeRunner

A može i ovako: koliko ovo ekološku štetu izaziva najbolje pokazuje dokumentarac "Gasland", a i na internetu ima dosta o tome čak i na srpskom, zbog Aleksinca. Barel nafte dobijene iz škriljaca emituje od dva do osam puta više gasova koji izazivaju efekat staklene bašte od nafte dobijene na drugi način. Dalje, za razliku od nafte koja se pumpa iz zemlje i koja stvara energetski suficit u procesu proizvodnje, ukupna količina energije koja se stvori ovim načinom je manja od one koja je potrebna da bi se napravio barel. Tako je ovo način da se jedna energija pretvori u drugu, uz uništavanje obradivog zemljišta. Dosta dobar tekst: http://owni.eu/2011/02/14/shale-gas-energy-revolution-or-ecological-threat/
All those moments will be lost in time like tears in rain.

scallop

Ma, sve je to strategija "sečeš uši krpiš dupe". I te naše škriljce će da iscedi neko drugi za svoj račun, sada kad smo došli na listu garažne prodaje. Sadašnje svetsko ustrojstvo civilizaciju vodi u ćorsokak i teško da smo u stanju ukinuti ga, zabraniti auto industriju i neke od trenutno najomiljenijih proizvodnji mobilne opreme za komunikaciju i lično zadovoljenje. Kad prestanemo da se batrgamo, poslednji čovek na Zemlji će da pošalje SMS poruku.
Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. - Mark Twain.

BladeRunner

Quote from: scallop on 09-10-2013, 11:47:18
Ma, sve je to strategija "sečeš uši krpiš dupe". I te naše škriljce će da iscedi neko drugi za svoj račun, sada kad smo došli na listu garažne prodaje. Sadašnje svetsko ustrojstvo civilizaciju vodi u ćorsokak i teško da smo u stanju ukinuti ga, zabraniti auto industriju i neke od trenutno najomiljenijih proizvodnji mobilne opreme za komunikaciju i lično zadovoljenje. Kad prestanemo da se batrgamo, poslednji čovek na Zemlji će da pošalje SMS poruku.

Tužno je koliko se slažem  :(
All those moments will be lost in time like tears in rain.

Meho Krljic

A sa vašim se slaganjem izgleda, slaže i Džimi Karter:

Carter: Middle class today resembles past's poor

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Carter says today's middle class looks like the poor from his presidency due to income gap

OAKLAND, Calif. (AP) -- Former President Jimmy Carter said Monday that the income gap in the United States has increased to the point where members of the middle class resemble the Americans who lived in poverty when he occupied the White House.
Carter offered his assessment of the nation's economic challenges Monday at a Habitat for Humanity construction site in Oakland — the first of five cities he and wife Rosalynn plan to visit this week to commemorate their three-decade alliance with the international nonprofit that promotes and builds affordable housing.
The recent economic downturn revealed that families living in even comparatively well-off, but expensive regions like the San Francisco Bay Area are economically insecure, he said.
"Even in one of the wealthiest parts of the world there is a great deal of foreclosures and now a great deal of people who are fortunate to own their own houses owe more on them than the houses are worth in the present market, and that's all changed in the last eight years," Carter said during an exclusive interview with The Associated Press.
Taking a break from framing windows at a new 12-unit town house development in a section of East Oakland where Habitat already has built or repaired 115 homes, the 89-year-old former Democratic president said the federal government is investing less in affordable housing at a time of greater need.
"The disparity between rich people and poor people in America has increased dramatically since when we started," he said. "The middle class has become more like poor people than they were 30 years ago. So I don't think it's getting any better."
Years of tax breaks for the wealthy, a minimum wage untethered from the inflation rate and electoral districts drawn to maximize political polarization have reduced the quality of life for all but a small fraction of Americans and imperiled the nation's standing as "a real superpower," he said.
"Equity of taxation and treating the middle class with a great deal of attention, providing funding for people in true need, like for affordable housing, those are the sort of things that would pay rich dividends for Americans no matter what kind of income they have," said Carter, looking relaxed in a baseball cap, blue jeans and white sneakers.
"The richest people in America would be better off if everybody lived in a decent home and had a chance to pay for it, and if everyone had enough income even if they had a daily job to be good buyers for the products that are produced."
Habitat for Humanity was founded in Georgia, the home state of the Carters. They first joined a Habitat for Humanity work site in 1984 in New York and have spent a week every year working on construction sites in the U.S. and abroad.
On Tuesday, the former president and first lady are scheduled to help renovate homes in a section of Silicon Valley that has remained immune to the wealth generated by the high-tech industry. After that, they intend to travel to Denver, New York and Union Beach, N.J., where they will help rebuild homes wiped out by Hurricane Sandy.



Truman

Quote from: BladeRunner on 09-10-2013, 11:05:54
A može i ovako: koliko ovo ekološku štetu izaziva najbolje pokazuje dokumentarac "Gasland", a i na internetu ima dosta o tome čak i na srpskom, zbog Aleksinca. Barel nafte dobijene iz škriljaca emituje od dva do osam puta više gasova koji izazivaju efekat staklene bašte od nafte dobijene na drugi način. Dalje, za razliku od nafte koja se pumpa iz zemlje i koja stvara energetski suficit u procesu proizvodnje, ukupna količina energije koja se stvori ovim načinom je manja od one koja je potrebna da bi se napravio barel. Tako je ovo način da se jedna energija pretvori u drugu, uz uništavanje obradivog zemljišta. Dosta dobar tekst: http://owni.eu/2011/02/14/shale-gas-energy-revolution-or-ecological-threat/

sudeći po ovom čiki to su besmislice:http://www.mondo.rs/a622505/Info/Drustvo/MONDO-Globalno-zagrevanje-svetska-prevara.html
Ja da valjam ne bih bio ovde.

mac

Kad pogledaš "vojnike" na obe strane, i njihove metode, doći ćeš do zaključka da jedna od strana ima slabije argumente, ali zato više buči. Kako to da telefonske pretnje dobijaju samo zastupnici globalnog zagrevanja?

Truman

Ja te ništa ne razumem. :mrgreen: Ti zastupnici su glasniji, a pretnje dobijaju i drugi, je l da? Što znači da se ti u stvari slažeš s ovim čikom s velikim ušima.
Ja da valjam ne bih bio ovde.

mac

Ček sad, tvoj stil je da ne izgleda da se trudiš. Ostani karakter...

Albedo 0


Quote from: mac on 09-10-2013, 19:33:02
Kad pogledaš "vojnike" na obe strane, i njihove metode, doći ćeš do zaključka da jedna od strana ima slabije argumente, ali zato više buči. Kako to da telefonske pretnje dobijaju samo zastupnici globalnog zagrevanja?


Kako to da od koncepta održivog ekološkog rasta više koristi ima Zapad nego nerazvijene zemlje? Zapad jedva čeka da svjetske sile proglase ekologiju kao primarni svjetski cilj. Ne čekaju to nerazvijene zemlje nego upravo američki i evropski biznismeni, jer imaju direktne ekonomske koristi od toga.


Kako to zastupnici globalnog zagrijavanja rade u New York Timesu, a navodno su ugroženi od strane onih koji nemaju takvu medijsku moć?


Kako to da priče o ekološkoj ugroženosti postoje 200 godina a mi i dalje dišemo kiseonik? Još romantičari su pisali pjesme o tome.


Kako to da takva ''globalna'' prijetnja još nije uništila sve na planeti? Jel to neko tvrdi da je industrija po svojoj obuhvatnosti veća od planete Zemlje?




Sve u svemu, zagađenje nije nikakva globalna prijetnja, Rimski klub je prije 40 godina tvrdio da kada čovječanstvo dostigne cifru od 7 milijardi da će sve otići dođavola. A nije otišlo i neće otići, bar još koju milijardu godina.


Truman

Složio bih se sa Batom, ali tu ima jedan drugi problem. Šta ćemo kad ostanemo bez nafte? Kako će leteti avioni i kako će se pokretati sve ostalo?
Ja da valjam ne bih bio ovde.

Barbarin

Jeremy Clarkson:
"After an overnight flight back to London, I find myself wondering once again if babies should travel with the baggage"

tomat

Arguing on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics: even if you win, you're still retarded.

Barbarin

Jeremy Clarkson:
"After an overnight flight back to London, I find myself wondering once again if babies should travel with the baggage"

tomat

Arguing on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics: even if you win, you're still retarded.

Irena Adler

Quote from: Barbarin on 09-10-2013, 21:53:43
Na ugalj, tj. paru ;)

Čisto da se zna, ovo je zapravo postojalo.

scallop

Madam Adler, oni se samo šegače.
Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. - Mark Twain.

Irena Adler

Jasno mi je, nego...kompulsivni poremećaj + el grande nervoza, :)
Parni motor je u jednom trenutku bio ozbiljna konkurencija motoru sa unutrašnjim sagorevanjem. Tačnije, ovaj drugi je bio lošiji. A onda se desio niz neverovatnih događaja... I sad vadimo naftu iz škriljca. Sve u svemu tužna priča.

Albedo 0

što tužna, baš je dobra dizel čorba  8-)

ako ćemo pošteno, to je pogon na dinosauruse, samo ne vidim čemu žalopojke...

Barbarin

Ovo je model prvog automobila u Novom Sadu, na parni pogon ;)

Jeremy Clarkson:
"After an overnight flight back to London, I find myself wondering once again if babies should travel with the baggage"

Ugly MF

Mene vise plasi ako ostanemo bez nafte sto cemo ostati i bez plastike...stiropora, kesa za smece, kineskih papuca, tastatura i miseva za kompjutere, cevcica za sokove i cetkica za zube, a gorivo... 'ebes gorivo, ce vozimo bicikle i jasemo konje, ali bez ovih stvari...

... a sta cemo bez toalet papira? :?

Ugly MF


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scallop

Neko je zaboravio čitavu farmaceutsku industriju!
Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. - Mark Twain.

Ugly MF

Ljudi , moz' se vi za'ebavate kolko 'ocete, ali ako zene ostanu bez mobilni telefoni, ulosci i vibratori... PRSLI smo svi, skroz naskroz!

Barbarin

Jao, pa neće se plastika raspasti, ima je toliko da je ne treba više ni praviti, samo reciklaža.

iphone je i ovako od metala, pelene umesto uložaka, a za ovo treće ideju se beskonačne...
Jeremy Clarkson:
"After an overnight flight back to London, I find myself wondering once again if babies should travel with the baggage"

Ugly MF

Jos ako od 7 milijardi napravis 2!
Pa to ima bude pravi raj na zemlji, moz da pogasimo sve sto nas truje i samo prirodno da uzivamo?
Kako sam pametan!
Jel ima jos negde neko u svetu da se setio da se otarasi 5 milijardi ljudi nabrzinu , pa da uzivamo, ili da im prodam ja ideju, a?

Meho Krljic

Taliban mock US over government shutdown









QuoteKabul (AFP) - Taliban militants fighting US troops in Afghanistan taunted Washington over the government shutdown on Wednesday, accusing US politicians of "sucking the blood of their own people".
The Islamist militants issued a statement describing how US institutions were "paralysed", the Statue of Liberty was closed and a fall in tourist numbers had hit shops, restaurants and hotels in the capital.
"The American people should realise that their politicians play with their destinies as well as the destinies of other oppressed nations for the sake of their personal vested interests," the Taliban said.
The insurgents accused "selfish and empty-minded American leaders" of taking US citizens' money "earned with great difficulty" and then "lavishly spending the same money in shedding the blood of the innocent and oppressed people".
"Instead of sucking the blood of their own people... this money should be utilised for the sake of peace," they added.
The US embassy in Kabul has said that it expects "to function normally in the short term" due to the shutdown, though its Twitter feed would not be regularly updated.
Embassy press staff were not immediately available to comment on the rebels' statement.
The Taliban, who were ousted from power in a US-backed offensive in 2001, often use their website to issue colourful verbal attacks on Washington and the Kabul government.
About 57,000 US troops are deployed in Afghanistan, with most of them set to pull out by the end of the next year.
The US shutdown has seen hundreds of thousands of workers sent home without pay after Congress failed to pass a budget for the 2014 fiscal year that began October 1.

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QuoteYou know it is bad when you get mocked by the Taliban and it is legitimate..

Barbarin

http://www.021.rs/Info/Svet/Ekonomski-cunami-pogodice-svet-ako-bankrotiraju-SAD.html

@ Ugly  Pa nekima se ne isplati im se da pobiju toliko ljudi. Mada je lepa ideja, koju bih podržao pod uslovom da ostanem živ ;)
Jeremy Clarkson:
"After an overnight flight back to London, I find myself wondering once again if babies should travel with the baggage"

Ugly MF

Ma zezam se, to ovi masoneri i ostali masteri of papitsa kao fol vec rade,
nego, oce li Amer da popije inflaciju ko mi u vreme Slobe, Jezde, Dafine itd?
Ako se to popije, idu redovi za jogurt i pendrek ko pisne!?!?!?

mac

Ne može takva inflacija, to nije prihvatljiva opcija za njih. Izgubili bi sve što su se trudili da steknu.

Ugly MF

Nije bila ni za nas...svo to silno bratstvo i jedinstvo , putavi slobode, proleteri svih zemalja, dan mladosti....

mac

Naša inflacija je namerno izazvana štampanjem novca. Onog trenutka kad je Sloba rekao dosta inflacija je "magično" stala.

Ugly MF

Mozda isto tako u Ameriki bude krizno, pa neko ispadne veliki spasioc?

mac

Ne može da se povuče paralela. Cela svetska ekonomija je zasnovana na dolaru. Prvo, Ameri nemaju potrebe da izazovu takvu hiper-inflaciju kakvu smo mi imali, a drugo, da to urade nastao bi treći svetski rat. Ceo svet trenutno igra onako kako Ameri sviraju, tako da se ja ne brinem previše a njih.

Ugly MF

Pa dobro, ima istine, evo jedan sto nije hteo da igra po njihovoj muzici, nego hteo da pravi svoju Africku....
.. culi smo svi za Gadafija, jel tako?

mac

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22029382.400-the-maths-that-saw-the-us-shutdown-coming.html?full=true

QuoteThe maths that saw the US shutdown coming

Can a new mathematical model predict the endgame of empires? Peter Turchin says his work shows why the US is in crisis, and what will happen next

Editorial: "Can science stop government shutdowns?"

ON THE surface it seems inexplicable. The government of the most powerful country on earth has shut down and is dangerously close to defaulting on its debt. Its people and economy are feeling the consequences, and a new global financial crisis might not be far behind. And all this because a minority faction of one house of Congress will not approve a budget unless a healthcare measure that has already been passed into law is suspended.

But for Peter Turchin, a mathematical ecologist at the University of Connecticut in Storrs, the stand-off was predictable. He is one of a small group of people applying the mathematics of complex systems to political instability. They have been anticipating events just like this – and they say that if we don't find some way to respond to the warning signs and change course, things are bound to get a lot worse before they get better.

Turchin has found what he believes to be historical cycles, two to three centuries long, of political instability and breakdown affecting states and empires from Rome to Russia. In a book he is finishing, he argues that similar cycles are evident in US history, and that they are playing out to this day. He admits that his theory, built on a model that combines social and economic data, must be tested against real events – but unlike most historical theories, it can be. Meanwhile, he says, it "predicts the long-term conditions that led to this shutdown".

Workers or employees make up the bulk of any society, with a minority of employers constituting the top few per cent of earners. By mathematically modelling historical data, Turchin finds that as population grows, workers start to outnumber available jobs, driving down wages. The wealthy elite then end up with an even greater share of the economic pie, and inequality soars. This is borne out in the US, for example, where average wages have stagnated since the 1970s although gross domestic product has steadily climbed.

This process also creates new avenues – such as increased access to higher education – that allow a few workers to join the elite, swelling their ranks. Eventually this results in what Turchin calls "elite overproduction" – there being more people in the elite than there are top jobs. "Then competition starts to get ugly," he says.

The richest continue to become richer: as in many complex systems, whether in nature or in society, existing advantage feeds back positively to create yet more. The rest of the elite fight it out, with rival patronage networks battling ever more fiercely. "There are always ideological differences, but elite overproduction explains why competition becomes so bitter, with no one willing to compromise," Turchin says. This means the squabbling in Congress that precipitated the current shutdown is a symptom of societal forces at work, rather than the primary problem.

In Turchin's theory, such political acrimony is paralleled by rising discontent among workers left with less and less, and increasing state bankruptcy as spending by the elite who control the government coffers spirals. Ultimately, the situation gets so bad that order cannot be maintained and the state collapses. A new cycle begins.

It may sound far-fetched. But in the last century, a slew of variables ranging from labour supply to public health indices, income inequality and the numbers and behaviour of the elite rose and fell in sync and as predicted by the theory. And with each glut of workers and peak in inequality came a surge in political violence.

Turchin finds that a simple mathematical model, combining economic output per person, the balance of labour demand and supply, and changes in attitudes towards redistributing wealth – the minimum wage level is one proxy for this – generates a curve that exactly matches the change in real wages since 1930, including complex rises and falls since 1980. Such close agreement between model and reality is exceptional in social sciences, says Turchin, and shows that all three factors control the rise of inequality, as predicted.

A set of 1590 instances of political violence in the US reveals peaceful periods around 1820 and 1950, with instability rising in between. Social data reflecting labour supply, inequality and elite overproduction match that basic fluctuation. Turchin thinks these changes explain the American civil war in the 1860s. The statistics also show that we are now in another phase of rising instability that began in the 1970s, just when, as his theory predicts, labour supply started outstripping demand.

In Turchin's theory, this phase in the cycle should also be marked by political polarisation and rising government debt – both current crises in Washington. Real wages, the minimum wage, trade union suppression, the share of wealth owned by the richest one per cent, even filibusters and fights over judicial appointments – all have changed at the same time in ways reflecting reduced social consensus. Meanwhile, the elite class has grown sharply. Between the 1970s and 2010, college fees rose, yet the numbers of doctors and lawyers qualifying per head of population nearly trebled. Workers have steadily lost out. The "real shocker", says Turchin, is that the average height of Americans peaked in 1975. It has actually declined in black women since then – a fact that could be down to falling nutrition standards linked to lower incomes. None of the trends shows any sign of reversing.

Yaneer Bar-Yam of the New England Complex Systems Institute in Cambridge, Massachusetts, agrees with Turchin's finding of repeated cycles in history. However, he believes our current experience also reflects something new: technology has brought about the emergence of a complex, networked society, one that, he argues, existing democratic institutions are too simplistic to govern.

"The fall of the Soviet Union wasn't the end of the story," says Bar-Yam. He says that the US government could also fall apart unless its citizens choose to adapt by evolving decentralised, networked institutions more suited to managing complexity.

Dirk Helbing of the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in Zurich agrees. He says what's needed are fluid institutions that allow citizens to collaborate in a direct democracy to solve problems using next-generation social media. It works in a small country like Switzerland, and the time is ripe for it to be exported to larger states. "The technology that allows this is growing," he says.


scallop

Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. - Mark Twain.