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Srpski film by Srđan Spasojević

Started by Ghoul, 14-10-2008, 20:18:01

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marduk

Eto Gule vidiš da Krip drži konce Srpskog Filma u rukama :mrgreen:

Ghoul

https://ljudska_splacina.com/

Meho Krljic

Pretpostavljam da je najlogičnije da ovaj link okačim ovde:

ĐORĐE BAJIĆ
Hardcore Srbija


Kunac na prosvetiteljskom poslu.  :lol: Da vidimo kako će reagovati tradicionalno tradicionalno orijentisana Popboks publika.

mac

Zašto se stalno ignoriše "Buđenje iz mrtvih", šta fali tom filmu?

Ghoul

malo je trapavo sročena pretposlednja rečenica - "i jedni i drugi će se saglasiti da sa zemljom koja je porodila jedan takav film nešto debelo nije u redu" - jer se može shvatiti u značenju da su ovi filmovi SIMPTOMI jedne bolesne države, a ne pokušaji LEČENJA njene bolesti (na indirektan i svakako upitan, umetnički način).
https://ljudska_splacina.com/

Meho Krljic

Čuj, i gnoj je pokušaj tvog organizma da te spase... Mislim da je Kunac taj pančlajn momački sročio, bez sentimentalnosti, pa ko skapira, skapira.

Milosh

Quote from: Meho Krljic on 01-04-2010, 16:19:12Da vidimo kako će reagovati tradicionalno tradicionalno orijentisana Popboks publika.

Ja se upravo uzdržavam od toga da reagujem na onu jednu tradicionalno orijentisanu reakciju...
"Ernest Hemingway once wrote: "The world is a fine place and worth fighting for." I agree with the second part."

http://milosh.mojblog.rs/

Ghoul

onaj mi zvuči ko jedan od 'nas dvoje' (ne-otaku).
to što kaže nije sasvim bezvezno, ima ponešto tačne opservacije i ocene u tome.
https://ljudska_splacina.com/

Meho Krljic

Jeste, to je on.
Edit: mada nisam siguran da se slažem. Hardcore ima dosta definicija i jedna je svakako ta insularnost, učaurivanje u sebe i neobraćanje široj zajednici, ali to nije ni kompletna ni definitivna ni nužno tačna definicija. Sasvim bi bilo lako Diamandu Galas, Lydiu Lunch, Shinyu Tsukamotoa ili Masamija Akitu definisati kao "hardcore" iako je njihova umetnost veoma eksplicitno namerna da komunicira sa celom zajednicom, makar na nivou provokacije. Hardcore u ovom smislu ja doživljavam kao fokusiranje na određene elemente stvarnosti nauštrb drugih.

Ghoul

oću reći, kripletovskim rečnikom, da su njegove zamerke 'legitimne', ne i da se sasvim slažem sa njima u krajnjem saldu.
svakako je ne bih otpisao kao tipičnu 'tradicionalno orijentisanu reakciju', to je sve.
https://ljudska_splacina.com/

Ghoul

na sajtu briselskog festivala, SF je ovako opisan:

ATTENTION  : this movie contains extremely violent scenes that might shock some people.

Retired porn star Milos is nostalgic for those glorious times when he could afford a luxurious lifestyle for his wife and kid. One day, he meets a certain Vukmir, a self-proclaimed conceptual artist, who desperately wants to hire him for his next work of art. The salary is so fabulous that it will keep his family protected from hardship for at least two generations. There is just one condition: Milos cannot know anything about the scenario.

This first feature film of Srdjan Spasojevic is unbearably violent, visually and thematically. But, if the images will inevitably shock, the treatment of the matter is far from gratuitous or complacent. On the contrary, this rough display of violence is just a way like any other to stigmatize it, to denounce the voyeuristic tendencies of an increasingly individualistic and fragmented society. Its cruelty is explained by the director of the Serbian Film Center, which is the main cultural and cinematographic organ of the State: "the violence shown on the screen is necessary to understand the history of the country and the troubles it's going through." Not for the faint-hearted.

http://bifff.net/shop/index.php?main_page=bifff_movie&movie_id=116

ono što mene posebno zabavlja je kooptiranje izjave miće vučkovića date isključivo povodom PORNO BANDE i njeno povezivanje sa SRPSKIM FILMOM (koji mu se beskrajno manje dopao - da ne kažem 'nedopao').

bio bi vrh da ovaj njegov citat završi i kao blurb na dvd-u, jednog dana!
:)
https://ljudska_splacina.com/

crippled_avenger

Bio sam sinoć u Contra Filmu. Diskutovali smo o ideji projekcije i ona se sada dalje procesuira, u smislu, kako rentirati salu, kako prodavati karte i sl. Javljam kako se cela priča razvija...
Nema potrebe da zalis me, mene je vec sram
Nema potrebe da hvalis me, dobro ja to znam

Джон Рейнольдс

Mislim da bi se "Balkan" mogao rentirati. Mogu da se raspitam, mada bi projekcija morala biti oko podne.
America can't protect you, Allah can't protect you... And the KGB is everywhere.

#Τζούτσε

crippled_avenger

Nema potrebe da zalis me, mene je vec sram
Nema potrebe da hvalis me, dobro ja to znam

Джон Рейнольдс

Možda ako je renoviranje počelo posle Festa, pošto sam tamo ko Tito gledao Polanskog. I nije bilo građevinskog materijala.
America can't protect you, Allah can't protect you... And the KGB is everywhere.

#Τζούτσε

crippled_avenger

Pa ne znam kad počinje renoviranje, ali sad je zatvoren Bajićev bioskop zbog renoviranja.
Nema potrebe da zalis me, mene je vec sram
Nema potrebe da hvalis me, dobro ja to znam

Ghoul

aca otvara srce i dušu za sajt SRPSKOM FILMU savršeno adekvatnog naziva - bladi dizgasting! :)

http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/interview/638

njegov engleski je sasvim kompetentan da prenese šta treba, međutim od njegove pogrešne upotrebe reči REACTIONARY diže mi se kosa na glavi!
ona nije pogrešna samo u nekom cepidlačkom smislu (tipa, 'mogo je neki bolji SINONIM da nađe...') nego u suštinskom, jer ona znači DIJAMETRALNO SUPROTNO od onoga što on misli da znači i od smisla u kome je on koristi.

"It also has something to do with our own post-Vietnam syndrome. I mean, American's post-Vietnam cinema was some of the most reactionary and most interesting and strongest cinema the world has ever experienced. All the great American directors came out of the late 70s, like Brian De Palma, Martin Scorsese, John Carpenter, John Milius, Paul Schrader; everything that forms cinema today came from that reactionary period. A SERBIAN FILM is kind of our own post-Vietnam reactionary film, in a metaphorical sort of way."


re·ac·tion·ar·y
   /riˈækʃəˌnɛri/  [ree-ak-shuh-ner-ee]

–adjective
1.
of, pertaining to, marked by, or favoring reaction, esp. extreme conservatism or rightism in politics; opposing political or social change.
–noun
2.
a reactionary person.

:P :x :cry: :cry: :oops: :x


vidim ja da se tu nije dovoljno robina wooda čitalo/svarilo...  :cry:
https://ljudska_splacina.com/

vilja

Quote from: crippled_avenger on 02-04-2010, 01:39:29
Bio sam sinoć u Contra Filmu. Diskutovali smo o ideji projekcije i ona se sada dalje procesuira, u smislu, kako rentirati salu, kako prodavati karte i sl. Javljam kako se cela priča razvija...

Super! Dakle, ima šanse da se projekcija održi... :D

Meho Krljic

Uh, bre, Aca stvarno ostavlja pogrešan utisak korišćenjem reči reactionary na ovaj način. Neko treba da mu skrene pažnju.

mac

A šta on misli pod reactionary?

Meho Krljic

Pa, iz konteksta očigledno misli nešto kao reakcija u smislu pobuna, subverzija itd...

Джон Рейнольдс

Zapravo brka dva prilično suprostavljena pojma, reactionary i revolutionary.
America can't protect you, Allah can't protect you... And the KGB is everywhere.

#Τζούτσε

Son of Man

pa jbte to cak i ja znam, mozda ima neku skrivenu agendu sa tim brkanjem  :idea:

crippled_avenger

"smatram da je oslanjanje na kolektivni argument u "neshvatanju" pomenutih filmova, što bi se reklo na engleskom, epic fail. svi pomenuti filmovi polaze sa pozicija da budu shvaćeni kao neshvaćeni underdogovi i iz toga crpu svoju (manje ili više upitnu) vrednost. ali, sama činjenica da računaju na reakciju okoline (neki više neki manje) ih diskvalifikuje u težnji da budu svrstani u hardcore pretinac, jer je hardocre životni poriv a ne dokonaško umetničarska zajebancija. iz toga proiziliazi da argument "meni se ovo sviđa zato što se tebi ne sviđa" nije nikakvo estetsko merilo po sebi, pogotovo što kao sud dolazi od ljudi koji uglavnom vole sve što vole mladi, te osećaj istinske subverzije, one koje nosi sopstvenu glavu u torbi, izostaje. "

Maaretova primedba o hardkoru ne stoji iz prostog razloga što su ovi ljudi snimili filmove u koje apsolutno veruju i koliko ja znam, niko od njih nije računao na bilo kakvu reakciju već su izašli sa filmovima i onda je okolina reagovala. Ne vidim razlog zašto, ako je do reakcije došlo spontano, ne bi oni tu reakciju iskoristili?

Po meni je sasvim normalno da se iskoristi reakcija, i ne znam zašto je sposobnost da se iskoristi reakcija osporavanje hardkora?

SRPSKI FILM je proizveo reakciju i pre nego što je prikazan i tu reakciju nije izazvala sama ekipa filma nego je bila spontana i proistekla iz oportune radoznalosti javnosti. Što se ŽIVOTA I SMRTI PORNO BANDE tiče, reakcija je usledila tokom postprodukcije, i Mladen se svim snagama borio da reakcija bude drugačija. MILOŠ BRANKOVIĆ takođe.

Svi ti filmovi su nastali sa pretpostavkom da budu autorov lični iskaz i sa nadom da će imati "normalnu" sudbinu, u skladu sa svojim sadržajem. I garantovano niko nije imao nameru da isprovocira bilo kakvu opstrukciju filma, što se na kraju desilo na ovaj ili onaj način.

Čak ni priča o tome da autori ovih filmova "vole sve što vole mladi" nije tačna, jer recimo Čupko je u jednoj dosta atipičnoj poziciji u odnosu na naš mejnstrim kao otvoreni desničar, što je možda prihvaćeno na nivou naroda, ali nikako u okvirima kulturne scene od koje zavise svi koji se bave kulturom. Dakle, on se tu izdvaja i osporava Maaretov argument.

U tom smislu ceo taj post je pun krupnih promašaja. No, u svakom slučaju, reč je o osmišljenom komentaru za razliku od većine ostalih...
Nema potrebe da zalis me, mene je vec sram
Nema potrebe da hvalis me, dobro ja to znam

Ghoul

Quote from: Son of Man on 02-04-2010, 13:41:01pa jbte to cak i ja znam, mozda ima neku skrivenu agendu sa tim brkanjem

slutio sam, a aca je potvrdio: krivac je nepismeni bladi-dizgazdžija koji je loše transkribovao audio intervju, ne samo kod ovih reakcionarnih tvrdnji, nego i drugde u textu.
https://ljudska_splacina.com/

Son of Man

pa taj rad, mozda Aca jeste baraba ali nikako nije nepismen... xnerd

Ghoul

ja sam oduvek tvrdio, a i boban me podržava u tome: većina novinara i reportera su stoka kojoj je najbolje pripremiti izjave, intervju i ostalo - NAPISMENO, odštampano, jasno i pregledno, da ne moraju baš ništa kreativno s tim da rade, ni da pažljivo slušaju ni da pažljivo čitaju nego sve lepo pregledno naznačeno, SAMO DA PREPIŠU.

-istina, dešavalo mi se da čak i intervju koji uredno pošaljem u pisanom obliku, mejlom, na kraju bude 'uređen' tako da se promeni ono što sam rekao.
:(

novinarske patke!
https://ljudska_splacina.com/

Kunac

Quote from: crippled_avenger on 02-04-2010, 01:39:29
Bio sam sinoć u Contra Filmu. Diskutovali smo o ideji projekcije i ona se sada dalje procesuira, u smislu, kako rentirati salu, kako prodavati karte i sl. Javljam kako se cela priča razvija...
Da niste pričali o zakupu Arene?
"zombi je mali žuti cvet"

crippled_avenger

U Areni se ne prikazuju filmovi. Bilo je ranije ideja da se Arena zakupi za IVKOVU SLAVU čini mi se, ali nije moglo.
Nema potrebe da zalis me, mene je vec sram
Nema potrebe da hvalis me, dobro ja to znam

crippled_avenger

Nema potrebe da zalis me, mene je vec sram
Nema potrebe da hvalis me, dobro ja to znam

Ghoul

moriarti ga je, dakle, baš progutao! :)
takođe, od svih stranih kritičara, rekao bih da ga je najmanje pogrešno shvatio, mada - što više razmišljam i prisećam se tih američkih kritika, vidim da oni ipak ne mogu da taj film u potpunosti i u suštini njegove suštine pojme, i da će im - a da toga nisu ni svesni - ogromni važni parčići prosto promaći ili ih ne mogu shvatiti.
a naročito te aluzije na 'victim sells'. moriarty to solidno ispipava ali, prosto, ovo je film koji - uz sve svoje SVETSKE kvalitete - ipak jeste pre svega namenjen SRPSKOM gledaocu.
ne u smislu da je lokalan po svom značenju i dejstvu nego, prosto, da je za njegovo PUNO razumevanje neophodno dobro poznavati recentnu istoriju srbije i njene 'kinematografije'.
https://ljudska_splacina.com/

Alex

Predlažem da se na FDU formiraju specijalističke studije posvećene SRPSKOM FILMU i da samo oni koji ih završe mogu da kažu, da su u stanju da shvate SF i da im to bude potvrđeno napismeno, diplomom.
Avatar je bezlichna, bezukusna kasha, potpuno prazna, prosechna i neupechatljiva...USM je zhivopisan, zabavan i originalan izdanak americhke pop kulture

Ghoul

ko si pa ti, forumaški nick-anonimuse, da bilo kome u 3-D svetu bilo šta predlažeš ?
https://ljudska_splacina.com/

Alex

Avatar je bezlichna, bezukusna kasha, potpuno prazna, prosechna i neupechatljiva...USM je zhivopisan, zabavan i originalan izdanak americhke pop kulture

Le Samourai

Quote from: Ghoul on 07-04-2010, 01:18:44
ko si pa ti, forumaški nick-anonimuse, da bilo kome u 3-D svetu bilo šta predlažeš ?
Nisi ti razumeo Aleksa, on bi zaista voleo da se formira neka komisija i da mu objasni Srpski, pa i svaki drugi film. Mislim da je to plemenita potreba, poshto on tu realno nishta ne razume.

borkes

Sećam se kada je izašao Hostel, youtube je bio preplavljen klipovima najodvratnijih scena iz filma snimljenih mobilnim telefonima u bioskopskim salama... Čudi me da niko iz Teksasa nije postavio neki klip iz Srpskog filma, bar da nam prekrati vreme dok čekamo konačnu odluku :)

marduk

Quote from: borkes on 08-04-2010, 18:23:16
Sećam se kada je izašao Hostel, youtube je bio preplavljen klipovima najodvratnijih scena iz filma snimljenih mobilnim telefonima u bioskopskim salama... Čudi me da niko iz Teksasa nije postavio neki klip iz Srpskog filma, bar da nam prekrati vreme dok čekamo konačnu odluku :)

He, pa čak su i ameri znali da je Hostel puka travestija nekog ultimativnog odvratnog i ogavnog filma , te su mogli da se zezaju sa snimanjem klipova.... ovde, sa SF, jednostavno ne smeju, iz strahopoštovanja...   :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Son of Man


Ghoul

taman kad sam već pomislio da ona pičkica hari nouls nema muda da napiše koju reč o SRPSKOM FILMU (mada znam da ga je gledo), i da će umesto toga da nastavi da piskara o svojim bezbednim, netransgresivnim detinjarijama, figuricama i monster muvijima i comic book adaptacijama - izgleda da mu je ipak samo trebalo malo duže vremena nego drugima da svari to što je u ostinu odgledo, i da najzad sroči jedan od svojih pismenijih i evaluativno tačnijih textova.

nema spojlera, slobodno čitaj:


Harry says SERBIAN FILM will be the best film you won't likely see in Theaters this year!

Srpski Film aka SERBIAN FILM is already on its way to becoming a notorious film. This is something that a little bit of excess here or there graphically can provide with little to no skill. I can't even begin to tell you how many schlocky graphically intense films I've been shown in my life that all "Had To Be Seen To Be Believed".

There are very few that I can then recommend to you, my audience here at AICN.

SERBIAN FILM is a brilliant movie. The very best film that I saw at SXSW 2010. I say that not with a tongue in my cheek, some wicked friendly relationship with the filmmakers... none of that. SERBIAN FILM is so much more than the very little "over the top" imagery that it contains.

Imagine a film written by Paul Schrader at the height of his seventies super powers directed with the handsome presentation of a David Fincher. Now imagine that their subject matter is the very scary world of avant garde illegal former Soviet block Porn production. If you remember a film I recommended way back in 2002, DEMONLOVER, a film featuring Chloe Sevigny, Gina Gershon and some other cool folks – in a way, SERBIAN FILM is the dream film dealing with rough subject matters.

This is an incredibly handsome film, very very Western in its story-telling. Like all films dealing with the "Rabbit Hole" plotline, the movie begins by showing us just what a wonderful family man, Milos the famous porn god is. Milos is retired from porn. Has a stunning wife, a cute kid. But an old co-worker of his, someone he helped make famous with his famous cock. She wants him to get back into the game with the latest holy shit offer of untold fabulous amounts of money TO DO PORN.

Now the main thing about this Milos guy is this. He's very charismatic. This actor is fantastic.... As perfect for this character as DeNiro was in TAXI DRIVER. He's just the right guy. You absolutely believe him, his family, his brother who fantasizes about his wife... the whole thing, it just seems right. He doesn't live in a palace, it is a very middle class looking life style. Apparently the money he's being offered for this return to the game... could bump him up to the next lifestyle bubble.

The other MAIN character is the mad genius porn director that nobody has any record of... who apparently was a leading Child Psychologist. This actor, who again, I just do not know... He's perfect. He's that right layer of slime for the role. He has about as much "Eww" as you'd expect from an Eastern European Porn Director with a Vision. But the actor is perfect. Perfect because... Yeah, run. Seriously, run. If a man that used to be a great Child Psychologist offers you unbelievably fabulous money to star in a porn fucking "to be revealed later" in "situation to be disclosed later" – RUN. Seriously, just fucking run. The actor just sells it. Just don't accept the offer.

But it is a lot of money. Life changingly ludicrous gobs of money.

For what? 4 days of fucking tops? Sure, why not?

Now for the difficult part. How to describe the rabbit hole that our "hero" plummets through?

I've been struggling with this for weeks. I dearly love this movie specifically because I didn't know the twists and the turns. I love the film because I was expecting something that would probably come across cheap, instead it looks as handsome as the most prestigious film from a major studio.

The first day of shooting is just a little fucked up. Nothing so much as to make you run screaming for your life... but if you know anything about foreshadow, than anyone with the critical mind could imagine where this "artisitic genius of a porn auteur" might be headed. You'd be wrong, but still. It is weird enough that you could lose an erection, or become rock harder, depending on your own degree of wrongitude.

Now at this film's most intense, it is not... to me... more traumatic than NEKROMANTIK 2, but it is as dark a film as they come. Lovecraft would be proud of this descent into madness ending. However, the ending is exactly the ending it needs to be.

I would fully expect this film to be shortened by a minute or two for domestic distribution. I completely get this situation because in its current state, there are a handful of theaters in the United States that would have the chutzpah to show the film that was shown at Midnight at the Alamo Drafthouse South in Austin. That's not a false praise, it is a reality.

This is a film that when the prints were made... twice, the film developer burned those prints because they didn't understand what they were looking at. This is a film that without breaking any major rules... seems to, but again if you take a very reasoned look at what you are seeing at any given moment, you realize what you are not seeing onscreen at the same time.

That said – there is some very realistic simulation of things that in various states, could be deemed illegal – thus, the film will require a few snips. This sucks, but this is the way it is... until there are more theater owners with backbone and integrity to show the best of cinema, no matter its subject matter... until there are distributors that wish to return us to challenging and difficult subject matters told brilliantly... well, until they pick up a film like this. A film that frankly is very very accomplished. A distributor that understands the value of getting it shut down in a few intolerant communities – in order to sell the film in the liberal godless markets in this widely diverse country of ours. This is a film to wake the ire of the right, and bring down the awesome of those that support the arts.

SERBIAN FILM demands to be seen by folks like you that read this site, this is a film that deserves that same kind of demand it support that got PARANORMAL ACTIVITY going... but even that miracle release needed a studio to have the balls to release it and get behind it when the word called for it.

I really do hope you good folks get to see this movie. It is tremendous. One of the best "EXTREME" films to come along in the history of this site. Think of films like OLDBOY, SYMPATHY FOR MR VENGEANCE, IRREVERSIBLE, etc. You know the titles. They're the films that if you have it, you've shown to others – introducing the titles because no studio really did.

I pray that SERBIAN FILM has that kind of future at the very least. We should all be so lucky to see it.


ps: spojlera nema u harijevom rivjuu, ali ih ima u komentarima ispod njega, pa zato... ako ne morate, nemojte.
ionako je jedini vredan komentar - za sada - dao headgeek (tatko na harita), koji je reko:

The film would be amazing with or without the most intense shots. The acting, story-telling and cinema is far more lasting than the most shocking imagery. Which frankly was nowhere near as shocking as I was led to believe.
https://ljudska_splacina.com/

Bilja

E dodjavola, sad mi se gleda ovaj film...
Bilja
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Ghoul

Quote from: Bilja on 09-04-2010, 10:39:27
E dodjavola, sad mi se gleda ovaj film...

koja si ti pomodarka!
više ti znači sud debelog crvenog anemičnog harija nego sexy fullblooded arian ghoula?  :o :x :roll:
https://ljudska_splacina.com/

Bilja

Nije mi to odgovor na Harijev komentar, nego generalno na ceo topic. :)
Bilja
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borkes


crippled_avenger

U filmu je zarobljen taj tradicionalni srpski odnos prema svastici kao ultimativnom seksualnom objektu, odmah iza "Hrvatice", a brata igra Slobodan Beštić na maestralan način.
Nema potrebe da zalis me, mene je vec sram
Nema potrebe da hvalis me, dobro ja to znam

borkes

Quote from: crippled_avenger on 09-04-2010, 14:36:14
U filmu je zarobljen taj tradicionalni srpski odnos prema svastici kao ultimativnom seksualnom objektu, odmah iza "Hrvatice", a brata igra Slobodan Beštić na maestralan način.

Ma ja sam to prepoznao u trejleru, zato sam citirao Ghoula jer sam njemu jednom postavio pitanje što se toga tiče...

mac

Žena mog brata je meni snaja, a svastika je sestra moje žene. I što se mene tiče svastika je ispred Hrvatice :-)

Milosh

Svastika vs. Snaja

Još neko da napiše scenario i snimi film...

:lol:
"Ernest Hemingway once wrote: "The world is a fine place and worth fighting for." I agree with the second part."

http://milosh.mojblog.rs/

borkes

Možda nešto propuštam, ali o kakvoj "Hrvatici" je reč?


crnjak, molim lako uvredljive da ne čitaju - nova srpska kletva: da bog da ti dete dubliralo bebu u srpskom filmu :D

Ghoul

ne mora bebu... i ne mora dete...

bolje je: dabogda ti u životu bilo ko u srpskom filmu.
https://ljudska_splacina.com/