S obzirom na velicinu autora,Antihrist automatski ide u kategoriju najvecih ocekivanja u 2009oj godini,i zasigurno zasluzuje poseban topik.
Film se nalazi u postprodukciji.
Slika sa pres konferencije u Nemackoj,gde je i sniman.
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U NOVU GODINU SA ANTIHRISTOM!!
Prva kritika Von Trierovog novog filma: http://www.aintitcool.com/node/39631
Ja takodje puno ocekujem od Antihriste za narednu godinu. Lars me do sada nikad nije izneverio, a ni Defo (za koga smatram da ce dobro nositi predvidjenu ulogu).
Od najprecjenjenijeg """režisera""" na svijetu očekujemo samo još jedno smeće kao što su Idioti ili Ples u tami :x
Pa nije valjda da si samo ta dva gledao ???? :? :wink:
Od jednog od trenutno najboljih režisera na svetu očekujemo samo još jedno remek-delo kao što su Breaking the Waves ili Riget. :!:
Quote from: "Shozo Hirono"Pa nije valjda da si samo ta dva gledao ???? :? :wink:
Naravno da ne! Otkud ti ideja da bih TO gledao do kraja? Gledao sam dvije-tri minute Idiota i možda pet minuta Plesa u tami. :wink:
Quote from: "Milosh"Od jednog od trenutno najboljih režisera na svetu očekujemo samo još jedno remek-delo kao što su Lady in the Water ili Signs. :!:
evo i trejlera
http://vimeo.com/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=4062746
Ona straćara u magli izgleda fantastično. :!:
ma biće to žešće ludilo, fon trir ne može da omane kad radi horor.
Ha! Ako to bude valjalo, poješću vlastite ključeve od stana!
Quote from: "Harvester"Ha! Ako to bude valjalo, poješću vlastite ključeve od stana!
nadam se da ću do filma doći ili ga nekako odgledati do 15. juna ove godine, kako bih mogao naživo da posmatram taj prizor na nekom od većih banjalučkih trgova! :evil:
Onda se pripremi, (https://www.znaksagite.com/diskusije/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffreesmileyface.net%2Fsmiley%2FFood%2Feating-08.gif&hash=6e31c477758f56590c38cee172a15ebbb061fc71) (http://freesmileyface.net)
jer ovo super izgleda.
Osećam da će zbog tvoje ishitrene ha-izjave,
ovaj film biti pun pogodak. :lol:
EDIT:
Nadam se da ćeš podneti detaljan raport o tome,
možda čak i neku sliku, da i mi drugi uživamo u prizoru.
Quote from: "Ghoul"Quote from: "Harvester"Ha! Ako to bude valjalo, poješću vlastite kurčeve i sranja!
nadam se da ću do filma doći ili ga nekako odgledati do 15. juna ove godine, kako bih mogao naživo da posmatram taj prizor u toplini tvoga doma! :evil:
:evil:
ps: editovao sam samo da ne ispadne da želim da ostanem sa harvom zaključan u stanu čije je ključeve upravo pojeo!
znači, trg!
nadam se da imaš nekog povećeg medvedića ili zeku kao privezak na ključevima, harv!
Quote from: "Ghoul"ps: editovao sam samo da ne ispadne da želim da ostanem sa harvom zaključan u stanu čije je ključeve upravo pojeo!
znači, trg!
nadam se da imaš nekog povećeg medvedića ili zeku kao privezak na ključevima, harv!
Ne vredi ti sad da se izvlačiš.
Ima verovatno prikačen mobilni. :evil:
Ne brinite ništa, film će sasvim sigurno biti loš.
a evo i bisera u komentarima na trejler, sa AICN-a:
--Lars Von Trier.. since I saw Zentropa about 15 years ago, an absolute genius. --Willem Dafoe just rocks. --But Anti-Christ?? that's like being the Anti-MickeyMouse, or the Anti-Lochness Monster, or the Anti-Cinderella, or the Anti-FlyingPurplePeopleEater, or the Anti-Matt Damon... you get the point. --are people seriously still scared by Christian nonsense? --ok, sure, a movie called Anti-Christ would be no surprise from the usual Hollywood Jewish conglomerate... but an enlightened European?? WTF!
The problem is that as exploitation films go, LVT's movies are too depressing and boring to be good-trash, and too contrived in their misantropy to be great art-house films.... The amazing thing about each film he makes is that, thanks to his overrated reputation, he attracts such A-list talent to star in the art-house equivalent of I Spit On Your Grave.
Looks like yet another confusing movie of self-discovery.
Has a real director made a horror film? First Sam Raimi decides to show all the hacks how it's done, and now Lars Von Trier takes a stab at it?
I've never seen one of his movies, but now because I know that assholes don't like him, I want to. (ovaj aludira direktno na harva!)
Quote from: "Ghoul"I've never seen one of his movies, but now because I know that assholes don't like him, I want to.
Kad god bude neka vest u vezi von Triera na tom sajtu odmah krene i nesputano pljuvanje po njemu od strane većine juzera; jedino je (daleko) gore ako se pomene Roman Polanski, u tim trenucima se i ne usuđujem da čitam talkback...
Čekaj, a što pljuju fon Trira? Ima li, pored toga što pravi užasne filmove, neki razlog lične prirode?
zato što je osvedočeni i glasnogovorni mrzitelj amerike i svega američkog (sem nekih filmova).
hm, ideja! harv, zar to nije razlog da daš čoveku šansu?
:idea:
Da, možda. Mada, moram priznati da su mi ipak donekle draži ljudi koji prave dobre filmove, pa taman ne mrzili Ameriku.
Prve reakcije iz Kana su takve da jedni film opisuju kao neviđeno smeće koje ima potencijal da uništi karijeru Larsa von Triera, dok drugi pričaju o remek-delu, zanimljivo...
Roger Ebert kaže sledeće:
There's electricity in the air. Every seat is filled, even the little fold-down seats at the end of every row. It is the first screening of Lars von Trier's "Antichrist," and we are ready for anything. We'd better be. Von Trier's film goes beyond malevolence into the monstrous. Never before have a man and woman inflicted more pain upon each other in a movie. We looked in disbelief. There were piteous groans. Sometimes a voice would cry out, "No!" At certain moments there was nervous laughter. When it was all over, we staggered up the aisles. Manohla Dargis, the merry film critic of The New York Times, could be heard singing "That's Entertainment!"
Whether this is a bad, good or great film is entirely beside the point. It is an audacious spit in the eye of society. It says we harbor an undreamed-of capacity for evil. It transforms a psychological treatment into torture undreamed of in the dungeons of history. Torturers might have been capable of such actions, but they would have lacked the imagination. Von Trier is not so much making a film about violence as making a film to inflict violence upon us, perhaps as a salutary experience. It's been reported that he suffered from depression during and after the film. You can tell. This is the most despairing film I've ever have seen.
If, as they say, you are not prepared for "disturbing images," I advise you to just just stop reading now.
The film involves a couple, He and She, whose infant child falls out a window and smashes to the pavement while they are making explicit love. They feel devastating grief. He, a psychologist, takes She off medications, and they go to live in their secluded hideaway in the forest, a cottage named Eden.
He subjects her to probing questions and the discussion of the Meaning of it All, which must affect her like a needle stab to an inflamed tooth. He is quite intelligent and insightful, and brings passive aggression to a brutally intimate level. Then she wounds him, and while he's unconscious she drills a hole through his leg and bolts a grindstone to it. He drags himself into the forest and tries to hide in an animal burrow. She finds him, and pounds him with a shovel to force him deeper. Then she tries to bury him alive. I won't mention two gruesome scenes involving the genital areas.
What does this metaphor (with a Prologue, an Epilogue and Four Chapters) mean? The dinner conversations all over town must not have been appetizing. Some read it this way: Perhaps the world began with man evil instead of good, guilty instead of innocent. That the Garden of Eden was visited by the Antichrist, not the Lord. That man's Original Sin was not eating from the Tree of Knowledge, but not vomiting forth knowledge and purging himself.
All for this will be discussed at great length. What can be said is that von Trier, after what many found the agonizing boredom of his previous Cannes films "Dogville" and "Manderlay," has made a film that is not boring. Unendurable, perhaps, but not boring. For relief I am looking forward to the overnight reviews of those who think they can explain exactly what it means. In this case, perhaps, a film should not mean, but be.
he he, ja imam toliko jaku pozitivnu predrasudu prema ovome da ću biti zabezeknut ako na kraju film bude imao manje od 4+ po mojoj tarifi;
a ako je iber-dilber bar upola u pravu (a ume on to, ponekad), ovo bi moglo da se primakne i petici...
cant wait, such a huge fan!!!
:!: :!: :!:
ajde nek mi neko kaže - KAKO NE VOLETI OVOG ČOVEKA???
CANNES -- Declaring himself "the world's greatest director," 53-year-old Dane Lars von Trier defended his enfant terrible title with aplomb at the Monday news conference for his Competition shocker "Antichrist."
It started with a shouting match between Daily Mail columnist Baz Bamigboye and other members of the press corps, with Bamigboye demanding von Trier "explain and justify" the explicit sexual gore in his film and another journo in the audience yelling "He's an artist, you're not. He doesn't have to explain anything!"
And he didn't. On questions both abusive and toadying, von Trier maintained his autistic savant persona, deliberately avoiding any explanation of "Antichrist," alternatively mocking or dismissing his interrogators.
"I don't have to explain anything. You are all my guests here, not the other way round," von Trier said. "Anyway, I don't think about the audience when I make a film. I don't care. I make films for myself."
Von Trier did defend his use of nausea-inducing imagery -- including a bloody masturbation scene and a leg-drilling sequence that could have been cribbed from the "Saw" franchise -- as artistic "honesty," saying to leave the shockers out would have been "like lying."
He also insisted he was not playing a joke on the audience but meant everything, from the film's talking fox to the closing dedication to Russian director Andrei Tarkovsky, a dedication that drew howls of laughter at last night's press screening, to be taken seriously.
But, as always, von Trier tried to have it both ways, joking that it was "a bit of a pity" one can't actually kill people on screen and putting the blame for the most extreme scenes on lead actress Charlotte Gainsbourg.
"Charlotte took it too far. I tried to, but I just couldn't stop her," von Trier quipped.
...trailer...
http://rapidshare.com/files/221396338/Anty.flv
Ozbiljni francuski filmski kritičari kažu za Trierov film da je groteska i cirkusko preterivanje. Medjutim, niko ne tvrdi da će mu ovaj film uništiti karijeru ili da će se on ubiti ili da će se desiti nešto radikalno. Samo promašaj jednog autora od koga se obično puno očekuje. Napraviće on još filmova od kojih će neki biti dobri, a neki loši. Nažalost, nema nikakvog skandala i nikakve drame dostojne Kurira.
naravno da je nemoguće 'uništiti karijeru' koja je od samog starta bila zasnovana na provokaciji, ironiji, kontrastiranju, šokiranju, poigravanju itsl.
mnogo su veću šansu za uništenje njegove karijere imale one tročasovne pozorištarije - koje čak ni ja, kao osvedočeni fan fon trira, nisam mogao da svarim (tj dogvil jesam, uz mnogo patnje, a manderlej teško da ću se ikada usuditi; evo, nedavno sam po II put pokušao da završim EPIDEMIC, i nije mi uspelo; prekinuh na pola, kao i pri I pokušaju :( ).
za razliku od tih SMARAČINA, ovaj ANTIFRIZ obećava dinamičan, eventful, zabavan film koji čak i ako ne bude uspešan kao zaokružena i ne znam kako smislena storija, svakako će biti unikatno gledalačko iskustvo za sve one koji vole CHALLENGING filmmaking.
zapravo, dosadašnji rivju su mi već i previše spojlovali film, i ja od ovog trena ne želim da znam ni za jedan jedini detalj vezan za zaplet i sadržaj filma; pratiću samo vesti iz kana, intervjue i sl. jer me zabavljaju, ali o filmu imam prilično jasnu ideju šta da očekujem, i više ne želim da ga sebi spojlujem.
ostaje samo da se molimo da će duda lakić šarmirati fon trira svojim inteligentnim pitanjima i da će joj on pokloniti screener disk sa filmom, a da će ga onda ona po povratku iz kana pustiti u promet, da se i mi naslađujemo!
Taj fon Trir je jedan potpuni imbecil, koji je još uz to totalno samoljubiv, a najgore od svega je što misli da zna da snima filmove a pojma s pojmom nema. Pa ima li gore kombinacije?
Quote from: Len Kabasinski on 20-05-2009, 02:59:28
Taj fon Trir je jedan potpuni imbecil, koji je još uz to totalno samoljubiv
Kabasinski, da li znaš nekog na svetu koji nije samoljubiv?
Ne. Ali to nije poenta. Ovde govorimo o fon Triru, a ne o nekom drugom Zemljaninu.
Iz dosadašnjeg iskustva si primetio da neko ko je smatran za važan lik u bilo kom domenu, redovno boluje od naduvavanja glave koja postaje kao luft-balon. Bivajući Zemljanin i važan lik, Trier nije ništa bolji od onih ostalih medijskih zvezda. Inače, razumeo sam da ti ne voliš njegovo stvaralaštvo i da smatraš da je nepravedno slavljen.
Kornelijuse, pričaš sa Harvijem.
Mac, ne... Ja pričam sa očajnom domaćicom (moja specijalnost).
Očajna domaćica asocira na užasno lošu marihuanu domaće proizvodnje; školsku pušku! :| :lol:
Ja ovog puta ništa ne bi diro. :evil:
srđan spasojević (SRPSKI FILM) je u kanu gledao ANTIKRISTA, i naravno, potpuno je oduševljen, kaže da je to veliki i ozbiljan film.
a sada, evo, obznanjene su nagrade:
Charlotte Gainsbourg has won the best-actress honor at the Cannes Film Festival for a movie that shocked audiences with its explicit images of physical abuse and torture.
Gainsbourg was picked for Danish director Lars von Trier's "Antichrist," a film that riled and repelled many Cannes viewers with its explicit images of physical abuse involving a grieving couple.
Gainsbourg delivers a terrifying performance as a psychotic woman torturing her husband (Willem Dafoe) and mutilating herself during a trip to the woods intended as a healing sojourn.
što je još najzabavnija i fon triru svakako najdraža nagrada - nekakav ekumenski žiri imbecila dodelio mu je nagradu za NAJMIZOGINIJI FILM!!!
:)
'Most Misogynist': Lars von Trier's 'Anti-Christ' Gets 'Anti-Prize' at Cannes Film Festival
AFP: Critics gasped, jeered and hooted -- and at least four people fainted -- during a preview of the movie, one of 20 films competing for the Palme d'Or top award to be handed out Sunday.
Cannes entered the final straight on Saturday with more controversy over "Anti-Christ" after the festival director denounced an "anti-prize" it received as an attempt at censorship. Lars von Trier's film was declared "the most misogynist movie from the self-proclaimed biggest director in the world" by an Ecumenical Jury which every year hands out a prize to a Cannes film that celebrates spiritual values.
Quote from: Ghoul on 24-05-2009, 23:15:54Charlotte Gainsbourg has won the best-actress honor at the Cannes Film Festival.
:D
u principu ne obraćam mnogo pažnje na rivjue bladi dizgastinga, ali ovaj mi zvuči 99% u skladu sa očekivanjima i parametrima u okviru kojih se meni javlja da će film, bar meni, da legne:
By: Michael Panduro
Considering it's only been a few days since it's public premiere at Cannes, one could say that volumes have already been written about Lars Von Trier's ANTICHRIST. Volumes containing everything from angry disgust, accusations of ego-trippin and degradation of women to columns of praise, singling out the film as the most important feature at this year's festival. Symptomatic for most is the fact that people can't seem to wholly digest the film. The ones who praise it point out that they simultaneously feel obliged to hate the film, and people who aim at pulling it apart keep mentioning that they'll never forget it. Needless to say this is a film that takes it's toll once you lean back and let the darkness consume you.
ANTICHRIST has been marketed as a horror-film, but I'm not sure it is. Basically, like everyone else apparently, I'm not sure about anything in this film. I'm not even sure I like it. But then again, whenever a film makes an impression this lasting and this deep, I have to love it. So what is it? It's an artfilm for one - a psychological human horror that engages the furthest reaches of human behavior, belief and emotion. A combination of personal therapy for it's deranged creator and violent confrontation for it's audience. It's a film that keeps it simple story-wise, but carries a heavy load of symbolic undercurrent and gradually builds to a blatant and utterly disturbing finale. As a horror fan you might be drawn to the occult references to Wicca-mythology, the demonic imagery and the heavy bloodshed in the final real. As a film lover in general I was tantalized by the sheer beauty of the images - cinematographer Anthony Dod Mantle flexing his most impressive aesthetics fresh of Oscar-stardom - and intrigued by the lasting impression the film has on me.
Willem Dafoe and Charlotte Gainsbourg dominate every single frame as a couple destroyed by the accidental death of their baby-boy (the cynicism of Von Trier is presented in the opening slow-motion montage that sees the boy falling beautifully to his death as his parents are having passionate sex in the next room). Dafoe, a therapist, takes on a cloak of clinical distance and concentrates his energy on treating his emotionally distraught wife. They hike to a cabin called Eden deep in the woods and start a series of therapeutic exercises that gradually dive deeper into the reaches of human grief and despair. Before long personal demons start to materialize and the forest itself seems to come alive.
To give away more of the, basically simple, plot would be a shame, but plot is really not that important here. What Von Trier gives us instead is a thing almost never seen in horror-oriented cinema: A pure cinematic experience. A film more focused on putting sight and sound together to form an engaging whole, a film with balls as heavy as Satan himself and a film that carries that one thing most horror films are without – emotional impact. You won't pay too much attention to the basic plotline, you'll be too engaged in the terrifying visuals, the subconscious tinglings of audio and the pure originality of most things on display. If it gets you, ANTICHRIST is a film that punches you right in the gut, keeps it's fist in there and rips out your very being once you're through. That's basically the easiest way for me to describe it. If it doesn't get you - and god be with you if you leave this one untouched - then you'll probably be inclined to recite other critics and call it everything from chauvinistic, ego-centric and downright disgusting.
Whatever state you might be in after watching, this is a film unlike anything out today - an overwhelmingly beautiful film about death, grief and the absurd reality of human emotion. ANTICHRIST pays tribute to August Strindberg and Andrei Tarkovsky, it taps into Von Triers streak of pulling exceptional performances from his leads, it packs the violent punch of Kim Ki-Duks The Isle or anything Karim Hussain can put on film and it gently touches horror-conventions like the scary forest and tales of witchcraft, while at the same time totally destroying these conventions. The only recent film that I can even begin to compare is Vinyan, because it taps into the same mood and tempo, but even Fabrice Du Welz' similar tale of grief is in a way completely removed from Von Trier's cynicism, hyper-aesthetics and violent conclusion. ANTICHRIST is basically a film I'd recommend to anyone. Even if you don't like it you'll probably still be baffled and unable to wash the images from your mind. Just pray to the dark one that it reaches your town uncut.
Score: 8 / 10
Quotethe cynicism of Von Trier is presented in the opening slow-motion montage that sees the boy falling beautifully to his death as his parents are having passionate sex in the next room
To je mazno od Woelfela. Kod njega je doduše bilo donekle obrnuto, roditelji umiru dok kćerka širi noge na zadnjem sjedištu auta, ali princip je isti. Ne bi me čudilo ni da je ostatak filma blatantan rip-off Ghost Lake ili nečeg sličnog.
...beogradski Megacom objavio da je za ovdašnj bioskopsku distribuciju otkupio Von Trierovog ANTIHRISTA (u saopštenju se ne pominje ni približni datum kino-starta)...
...a otkupljena je i Hanekeova BELA TRAKA....
Quote from: ginger toxiqo 2 gafotas on 29-05-2009, 00:20:30
...beogradski Megacom objavio da je za ovdašnj bioskopsku distribuciju otkupio Von Trierovog ANTIHRISTA (u saopštenju se ne pominje ni približni datum kino-starta)...
Najverovatnije Festival autorskog filma.
...upravo naleteh na ovu ponudu...
Antichrist.2009.WORKPRINT.XviD-NoGroup
...nema NFO odrednica, a nema ni potvrde da je prava stvar u pitanju, ali nije zgoreg obavestiti najnestrpljivije...
uf, nadam se da WORKPRINT ne znači bukvalno WORKPRINT - tj bez muzike i tona sređenog!
skinućemo to čim ustanemo ujutro na noge lagane!!!
...tokom noći raskrinkana prevara, radilo se o gotovo dvosatnom loopu dostupnog trailera na 700 MB zapremine...
prokletnici!
imaju li ti ljudi dušu?!
baš su ustaše!
tako su radili i sa INSIDE i sa MARTYRS... uvek kad neki film od koga mnogo očekujem treba da se pojavi, dušmani izbacuju te lažnjake kako bi se poigravali mojim krhkim osećanjima! :(
bastardi nijedni!
sve to treba pred zid i: xuss
Pojavio se na surrealmoviez VHS rip filma Nonnebørn (1997) koji je režirala von Trierova bivša supruga. Da li je film već bio dostupan ili mu je ovo divx premijera, a u prvom slučaju da li ga je neko gledao?
miloše, ne štrecaj me - svaki put kad vidim novi post na ovom topiku, pomislim: EVO GA, MORA DA JE IZAŠO DIVX!!! :(
ovo nisam gledo, al oću svakako.
Plot keywords for
Nonnebørn (1997)
* School
* Young Girl
* Convent
* Girl
* Girl Nudity
* Denmark
* Child Nudity
* Religion
* Female Full Frontal Nudity
* Children
* Breasts
* Catholicism
* Menstruation
* Topless Girl
* Nun
A evo i da se Ghoul malo zainteresuje za igre (ili da se iznervira?) (http://pc.ign.com/articles/996/996656p1.html):
QuoteAntichrist Gets Game
Hitman writer working on game inspired by von Trier's latest.
by Martin Robinson, IGN UK
UK, June 22, 2009 - Lars von Trier's Antichrist is the unlikely subject of a videogame translation, with Hitman writer Morten Iversen working to bring a game inspired by the controversial movie to PC.
'[The movie] goes against all the conventions of how you make games and what you can do in games' Iversen told MTV Multiplayer, 'Dead kids, nudity, graphic violence. It will be a very controversial game, and it'll be a game that doesn't really compare with anything else.'
Antichrist was one of the most talked about films at this year's Cannes Festival, with von Trier returning to his antagonistic ways with a graphic horror film starring Charlotte Gainsbourg and Willem Dafoe.
Iversen, who previously worked at IO Games on the Hitman series, is bringing von Trier's vision to games with Eden, a download-only title that's coming to PC, with the developers hoping to bring it to Xbox Live as well. Still early in the development phase, the game is described as a 'nightmarish version of Myst'.
Further details are thin on the ground, and don't expect to see the game until some point next year.
nit sam zainteresovan, nit sam iznerviran.
nek cveta 1000 igrica.
ANTIHRIST neće da čeka BOŽIĆ, no USA invaziju planira pred HELOVIN!
IFC is giving Lars von Trier's "Antichrist" a pre-Halloween release in Los Angeles and New York, with the film to go out Oct. 23.
IFC, the biggest buyer at this year's Cannes Film Festival, snapped up the psychological erotic-horror title during the fest. Pic, which has sexually explicit content, stars Charlotte Gainsbourg and Willem Dafoe. Meta Louise Foldager produced and Peter Aalbaek Jensen and Peter Garde exec produced.
The Cannes jury presented Gainsbourg with its actress award.
IFC will widen the theatrical release after the platform launch. The company, which usually releases theatrical titles simultaneously on video-on-demand, has set a VOD date of Oct. 21 for "Antichrist."
Quote from: Milosh on 23-06-2009, 03:43:59
Pojavio se na surrealmoviez VHS rip filma Nonnebørn (1997) koji je režirala von Trierova bivša supruga. Da li je film već bio dostupan ili mu je ovo divx premijera, a u prvom slučaju da li ga je neko gledao?
film je neopisivo prozaičan, površan, jednodimenzionalan, bedast, beznačajan... baš školski primer ženskog filma.
mogu da zamislim koliko se fon trir smorio gledajući ovo – ako je uopšte izdržao duže od 10 minuta.
ako mu je ona BIVŠA žena, mogu da poverujem da su se posle ovoga i ZBOG ovoga razveli.
od mene - ** (2+)
Intervju sa Charlotte Gainsbourg u kome, između ostalog, govori o iskustvu snimanja "Antichrista":
http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/film/article6656547.ece (http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/film/article6656547.ece)
Samo da ne bude previše zahtevna, ne mogu da priuštim komp za 2009 igrice, a deluje tako nenadjebivo.
http://www.sff.ba/film/show/id/475 (http://www.sff.ba/film/show/id/475)
LJETNO KINO VATROGASAC 20.08.2009 21:00
sem izdrkavanja krvave sperme i ženskog sunećenja mislim da nema ni š od šokiranja
jedna obična drama sa mnoštvom simbolike koju nisam ni želio pohvatati... vrana koja nikako da umre bambi koji nikako da se rodi i stalno visi iz mame
dakle jedan u nizu filmova za koje sam mislio da će biti nešto drugačije
a ustvari OK filmić ne znam čemu frka strka
brojao sam nije bilo sve skupa 5 izlazaka i nekoliko krikova u publici
Quote from: Truba on 21-08-2009, 00:27:43jedna obična drama sa mnoštvom simbolike koju nisam ni želio pohvatati...
jebote, komi, pa ti si zaista IDIOT kakav se JEDNOM rađa! :)
jel iz tebe to govori niski akademik ili velika seljačina
iz mene govori neko koga tvoja glupost i ograničenost uvek iznova zaprepaste.
jel ima tko rapidshare (ili još bolje megaupload) linkove za taj antichrist
ima li kvalitetan dvd rip?
i tata bi, sine pingvine!
znači nema još
ma ja sam ti neupućen u tu vrstu stvari, u puke informacije
okej, nije da mi se neopisivo žuri. bit će, pa tko poživi...
vidiš koja je to ironija sudbine: onaj idiot, truba, već odgledao film jer se prikazivao u njegovom komšiluku.
šteta samo što ga mrzelo da se udubljuje u njegovu simboliku.
a mi... pravi fanovi... predodređeni za taj film... ima da izgaramo dok ga neko ne izbaci na divxu (jer novembar je predaleko)!
pa je, zanimljiv gaf
al dobro, kao veliki najveći humanist, ne mogu podcijenjivati sve 'moje male' i trubu-filmofila. ipak smatram da bi on, u tom smislu ljubitelja filma, trebao težiti da se oplemeni, produbi, usavrši itsl. da, premlak je to stav "sa mnoštvom simbolike koju nisam ni želio pohvatati". čemu takva malodušnost? čemu ne željeti težiti ka istini? ma ne kužim ga; često mi ulijeće sa najbezveznijim upadicama kojima bi me kakti unizio, a s druge strane diže ruke od sebe, pušta se u tromu gomilu... ne baš pohvalno.
a opet, pa neka bude tako... tko sam ja (ti, mi) da ga osuđujem(o)?
zato ja nisam sklon da mu dodijelim epitet idiot niti da ga gledam s visoka (jedino ga obaram kad se zaboravi pa počne pičkarati)
ionako će krotki (i truba) baštiniti zemlju, rekli su
poštujem tvoj humanizam, pingvine, a u nekim mojim mlađim i ranjivijim danima možda bih mu se i divio.
ja, pak, svoj humanizam primenjujem isključivo na višim sisarima, i ni u ludilu ga ne arčim na beskičmenjake - pa makar oni zaista i nasledili zemlju kako im je onaj drvodelja navodno obećao.
a da ne bude dvojbe, ja zaista i mislim da će crvi itsl. opstati kad mi, ljudi, pomremo.
http://rapidshare.com/files/269894617/backup001_by_NamelessOne.part01.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/270113085/backup001_by_NamelessOne.part02.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/270128148/backup001_by_NamelessOne.part03.rar
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http://rapidshare.com/files/270641575/backup001_by_NamelessOne.part08.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/270712317/backup001_by_NamelessOne.part09.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/270950355/backup001_by_NamelessOne.part10.rar
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komentar sa surrealmoviez:
"We have a winner here boys and girls. Has running timecode at the top and the video is 4:3 with black bars, but still a winner. Also there is full penetration at 1:10, that must be some kind of record!"
evo jedne slikice:
(https://www.znaksagite.com/diskusije/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi548.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fii327%2FDaNeMo%2Fbscap0622.jpg&hash=72a68c42bebaf1168e370e01c8bbaf8734e1053f)
to mora da je procurilo iz sarajeva!
jedan moj link mi je otuda već nabavio skriner, ali brže ću skinuti ovo nego da čekam njegov dvd!
ANTIHRIST - NAJZAD!
***(*)
3+
zabavno, al moglo je bolje.
inače, te optužbe za 'mizoginiju' nisu 'bez ništa'! ali to je ionako najoriginalniji i najbolji deo filma.
Quote from: Ghoul on 27-08-2009, 02:33:57zabavno, al moglo je bolje.
Hm, meni ovo zvuči kao fin način da se kaže da je film u suštini sranje, pošto sumnjam da je Von Trier pravio zabavan film za 3+, no videćemo...
Nego, ko još nije skinuo Antichrista, evo verzije gde je audio zapis sinhronizovan. Dakle, ne skidajte ostale falične verzije, već ovu:
http://rapidshare.com/files/271833431/Antichrist__2009_.part1.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/271842984/Antichrist__2009_.part2.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/271852161/Antichrist__2009_.part3.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/271876192/Antichrist__2009_.part4.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/271884829/Antichrist__2009_.part5.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/271893842/Antichrist__2009_.part6.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/271911408/Antichrist__2009_.part7.rar
To, Miloše, obraz si osvetlao!!!
@Ghoul
Kako se Antichrist kotira kad se poredi sa ostalim Von Trierovim filmovima tj. kad bi sad pravio nekakvu listu njegovih filmova na kom mestu bi se našao?
Hm, pošto Ghoul ne reaguje na moju provokaciju kao ni na moje pitanje, niko drugi se ne javlja, a ja još uvek nisam pogledao Antichrista, evo u međuvremenu jedne veoma zanimljive, mada spojlerične kritike sa IMDBa koja se uglavnom bavi simbolikom u filmu. Elem:
author: Matt Scrumb from Switzerland
"First, I do see the hole movie as the director's testament of his depression or in more religiously tinged terms: The testament of the Antichrist.
Prologue and Epilogue
They are shot in glossy black and white and frame the main story which is shot in color. Especially the prologue is aesthetically filmed like a commercial. Only the close-up of a penis tells us that we are about to watch a Trier movie. Instead of the boy crushing on the ground we see his Teddy falling softly in the snow. The sex is in slow-mo. In comparison to what will come, a very restraint choice of pictures. In the epilogue, the nature seems to be the friendly nurturing mother earth again. He finds some berries and the captured women are released from the evil earth and are walking upright and dressed (civilized) again. Prologue and epilogue stand for our civilized life, our comfort zone where everything is tamed, smooth, soft and normal (mentally). The death (or suicide?)of the son and their guilt is the transition to Eden.
Eden
Even though it has three parts, I call the main part just Eden. It is shot in rather cold colors. Opposite to the bible the characters, He and She or Adam and Eve (Mankind), come to Eden because they are guilty. Also different than in the bible Eden is no paradise. There is an evil spell on Eden and what should live dies (Trier's depression and uncreative phase). We see the stillbirth of a deer, a dead tree, a young bird attacked by ants and then eaten by a big bird (survival of the fittest)a fox (he at his wits' end) eating himself under layers of fern (under the surface chaos reigns), a constant rain of acorns, most of which will never grow into a tree, a man's penis which ejaculates blood instead of sperm. All in all a very morbid atmosphere. Eden (Nature or psychologically: the unconsciousness)is raw, brutal and chaotic and so are the emotions of the two characters (or the depressed generally)here (guilt, pain, fear, despair, violence, obsession, possession, sex). The transition back to civilization (black and white smoothness, the naked Bosch-Souls are released, dressed and therefore civilized again) is reached by the burning of the witch (demon). The spell is finally broken.
The characters
For storytelling reasons we have two separate characters but I think, together they stand for the battle which is going on in the director's mind.
He
At first all rational. He will just have to pull some strings and turn some screws here and there and his wife will be okay again. Nothing to worry about (modern psychotherapy?). He is tortured by his wife (demon) but still retreats to his logical mindset (foxhole). But the demon does not let him off and attacks again. Then he throws his rationality away, gives in to the incomprehensible and for the first time gets impulsive and kills his possessed wive and burns her like a witch. He is freed (depression defeated), nature (unconsciousness) is fruitful again (berries).
She
Throughout the movie she is all emotion (Plot problem: unbelievable for an intellectual). She is Trier's anxiety and despair and therefore his demon. This demon tortures and controls (wrong shoes on wrong foots, grindstone on leg). The circumcision stands for the pain, his disability to experience joy and showing it in close-up, for his madness. It is a visual cry of despair and maybe also a calculated scandal for the Cannes audience. It is also in line with the other morbid symbols of infertility (no clitoris, no lust, no sex, no reproduction).
The boy
Are the falling figurines representing the pain the boys death will inflict on the parents or are they the emotions he want to escape because of the constant torture he got from his mother. It looked as he wanted to be like a snowflake - light and floating. He did not look very frightened during his fall(is suicide an option to escape pain or is it the fall of man?)
The three animals
They represent the fairy tale character of the plot. Where else would they sit so peacefully together? But doing so they also hint at the psychological subtext existent in all fairy tales.
There are countless more symbols, metaphors and cuts that could be interpreted. The movie is so cramped with them that at times you get the impression that they point in all directions and nowhere at all. The plot which should hold things together is in comparison rather sketchy. Mixes between art and genre movies are best when both parts are balanced and oscillate so that each scene, like in an ambiguous image, can be seen as either this or that. This is not always the case here and the immense accumulation of meaning leaves a slightly heavy-handed impression
It may not be the ultimate masterpiece, but it is certainly a brave, risky and challenging movie which gripped my mind and stirred it for days now."
film nije sranje, ima deonice koje su sušta genijalnost, i deonice koje su potentne al nedorađene i deonice koje su bezvezne/trapave/na ivici neželjeno smešnog.
ipak, zajeban je to film, i moraću još jednom da ga pogledam (eto, sutra ću da skinem tu bolju kopiju) pre nego što iznesem svoj definitivan sud, ali on sigurno neće bitnije da varira od raspona 3+ / 4-
ovo što je ovaj gore, u miloševom citatu, izmudrijao, nije baš sasvim bezveze, ali nije baš ni mnogo s vezom.
odnosno, to je jedno od 'da, ali niej bitno' tumačenja, koje tek periferno grebucka po površini ovog mnogo složenijeg filma.
inače, za moj groš najbolji fon trir jeste RIGET 1 & 2, a naredna 2 meni omiljena su EUROPA i ELEMENT OF A CRIME, s tim što su oba vrlo zrela za reprizu.
kako stvari sada stoje, ANTIHRIST bi mi bio odmah iza njih, na 4. mestu.
Quote from: Ghoul on 27-08-2009, 23:39:25inače, za moj groš najbolji fon trir jeste RIGET 1 & 2, a naredna 2 meni omiljena su EUROPA i ELEMENT OF A CRIME, s tim što su oba vrlo zrela za reprizu.
kako stvari sada stoje, ANTIHRIST bi mi bio odmah iza njih, na 4. mestu.
Hm, a Breaking the Waves? Meni taj film uz Rigete i Europu čini Von Trierovu trilogiju remek-dela; doduše, za Europu to važi donekle uslovno pošto se oslanjam na prilično davni utisak koga odbijam da oskrnavim tj. potvrdim, ali to je ipak prvi njegov film koji sam pogledao. Inače, nakon Breaking the Waves je krenuo previše da eksperimentiše za moj ukus, i mada je nastavio da snima zanimljive filmove često sam dolazio u situaciju da pre mogu da cenim sam koncept nego što mogu da zaista i potpuno uživam u konkretnom filmu, a to naročito važi za Dogville (a valjda i nastavak, za to nisam imao živaca). E sad, baš me zanima u kojoj meri je Antichrist filmski esej umesto film...
znao sam da ćeš da pitaš za Breaking the Waves.
i on je zreo za reprizu.
nije mi skoro nimalo dopao kad sam ga prvi i jedini put gledo kad je igro u bioskopima, ali... zajeban je taj trir, morao bih to da vidim sada da bih potpisao šta je i kakvo je.
ali čak i sa reprizom, nije verovatno da bi se on probio u top-4, koji meni čine gore-pobrojani.
ah, da, to što kažeš za esej vs film: pa, da, ima tu nešto.
naime, ono što će mnogima da zasmeta jeste to što je NATIHRIST vrlo očigledno, čak napadno paraboličan (NE alegoričan, jer onda bi stvari bile jednostavnije). znači, posmatrati tu priču i likove bukvalno (realistički) i govoriti o uobičajenoj logici i motivaciji i psihologiji bilo bi skroz promašiti temu: oba glavna junaka, sve životinje, sve biljke, sve lokacije, svi predmeti u filmu imaju SIMBOLIČKU vrednost i preneseno značenje.
treba se na to pripremiti i navići: meni nije smetalo previše, ali nekom normalnijem gledaocu sigurno hoće.
Meni se KROZ TALASE jako dopao, gledala sam ga dva puta do sada. Emili Votson je izuzetna glumica....ma, ponovo ću da gledam film.
Šta znam, IDIOTI mi se isto svideo, ne kao KT, ali je o.k.
vidim, guli, ne spominješ Vinyan... ima li uopšte svrhe povlačiti paralele?
meni je, zbog svega pročitanog na netu o Antichristu, do sad prva asocijacija na njega upravo bio Vinyan,
koji me nije preterano oduševio, ali sam zato mnogo više očekivala od Larsa.
a Vinyan je od tebe dobio bolju ocenu od Antichrista,
što je meni užasno teško da svarim... :?:
Vinyan je, za mene, bolji film, iako Antihrist ima više stvari, i pametnijih, i originalnijih, na pameti; zapravo, aj daj mi dan-dva da opet pogledam film i presečem, jer ovo se bez 2 gledanja ne može odmeriti kako valja.
za sada, jedina prava paralela sa vinjanom jeste apsolutno stunning fotografija.
tematski je ovo različito, mada, now that you mention it, vinjan je takođe imao poprilično anti-ženski slant, samo što ga rivjueri uglavnom nisu zapažali (možda zato što du welz mudro u svoj film nije stavljao scene ženske kastracije, niti je branio spaljivanje 'veštica' kao ispravan čin)...
Odgledah i ja film. Ova verzija koju je Milosh okačio je poprilično dobra. Zvuk odličan, slika tako-tako, sasvim gledljivo.
Meni je film pravo sjeo, nemam nikakvih primjedbi. I za klasu mi je bolji od Vinyana, koji mi se poprilično svidio.
ok, dajem ti dva dana da se predomisliš,
a do tada ću da verujem Yqq. :)
repriziro sam antikrista; ostajem pri oceni od 4- ali ću elaboraciju te ocene možda malo izmeniti.
napisaću rivju čim stignem, ali imam važniji dedlajn do 01.09.
Jbm ti zivot sta je ono :o
Dal je do toga sto je titl nephodan, ili je do mene, al ja sam jedva pokupio par poenti iz filma, shvatio sam da su ovo dvoje izgubili dete (poginulo, kako ?), i da je keva poludela, ima nocne more, i ovaj joj kao pomaze (psiholog, psihijatar?), a ostatak zaista ne bih bio siguran sta se tu sve desavalo, moracu da sacekam titl, ne vredi. :(
Kolko sam ja istripovo ono je u neku ruku VINYAN srece ERASEHEAD a ? :idea:
ma gde bre dete poginulo, kakav psihijatar, zaboga, šta si ti to gledo?
fon trirov antikrist je vrlo jednostavan, on ti sam daje ključ za tumačenje isimbola, ne treba ti mozak uopšte, samo pažljivo da gledaš, jebote!
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Sine, poenta filma je sasvim jasna. Sve žene su zle vještice i treba ih ubijati i spaljivati u svakoj prilici. :evil:
Sacekacu ja prevod ipak. Nego bre jel mu ona ono drkala ? Jbga los skriner pa se ne provaljuje ? :?
Ygg, starac, pa ti se stvarno ne namjeravas zeniti... :lol:
Quote from: Ygg on 03-09-2009, 15:30:24
Sine, poenta filma je sasvim jasna. Sve žene su zle vještice i treba ih ubijati i spaljivati u svakoj prilici. :evil:
i to, poželjno, pre nego što te obezmude i kastriraju i pre nego propljuješ majčino mleko i prokrvariš umesto sjemena...
Quote from: krema on 03-09-2009, 15:37:34
Ygg, starac, pa ti se stvarno ne namjeravas zeniti... :lol:
Od same pomisli da se svako jutro budim uz istu osobu meni je zlo. Ne bih mogao trpiti nekog čitav život pored sebe. Eventualno neki moderni brak u kojem bi supruga i ja živjeli odvojeno i viđali se npr. dva puta sedmično. To bih još i mogao podnijeti. :lol:
Sasvim sam siguran da većina ljudi tako misli dok ne upozna osobu s kojom je vrijedno buditi se svako jutro :) Osim toga, ako se zajedno budite, znači i da ste zajedno bili u krevetu prošlu noć, a to nije za baciti :lol:
Quote from: Blabinger on 03-09-2009, 16:05:32Sasvim sam siguran da većina ljudi tako misli dok ne upozna osobu s kojom je vrijedno buditi se svako jutro. Osim toga, ako se zajedno budite, znači i da ste zajedno bili u krevetu prošlu noć, a to nije za baciti.
Hm, u ovom slučaju ću se u potpunosti složiti sa tobom. Mada, ovo moje slaganje je čisto iz teorijskog ugla, dođavola...
Inače, mogao bih konačno i ja da pogledam tog Antichrista, bar da to učinim pre Blabingera...
a mogo bi i malo manje da smaraš time koliko si spor, neaktivan, pasivan, jadan, nesposoban, kako nemaš život, i ostalo.
mislim, ne moraš to baš u svakom postu.
ako očekuješ sažaljenje, razumevanje i ostalo, na pogrešno mesto si došao.
Quote from: Milosh on 03-09-2009, 16:20:46
Inače, mogao bih konačno i ja da pogledam tog Antichrista, bar da to učinim pre Blabingera...
Pa nije baš neko veličanstveno postignuće pogledati film Larsa von Triera prije mene :-)
Quote from: Ghoul on 03-09-2009, 16:29:48
a mogo bi i malo manje da smaraš time koliko si spor, neaktivan, pasivan, jadan, nesposoban, kako nemaš život, i ostalo.
Ja znam da ti i smisao za humor baš i niste u najboljim odnosima, ali sam očekivao da si bar čuo za autoironiju. No dobro, ako si baš toliko uznemiren, dovoljno sam uviđavan da prestanem, a i trenutno imam pametnijih stvari da radim od tupljenja po forumu...
Quote from: Milosh on 03-09-2009, 16:35:36
Quote from: Ghoul on 03-09-2009, 16:29:48
a mogo bi i malo manje da smaraš time koliko si spor, neaktivan, pasivan, jadan, nesposoban, kako nemaš život, i ostalo.
Ja znam da ti i smisao za humor baš i niste u najboljim odnosima, ali sam očekivao da si bar čuo za autoironiju. No dobro, ako si baš toliko uznemiren, dovoljno sam uviđavan da prestanem, a i trenutno imam pametnijih stvari da radim od tupljenja po forumu...
Odlično! Konačno si odlučio da pogledaš Leprechaun serijal, što si obećo prije sto godina!
Quote from: Milosh on 03-09-2009, 16:35:36Ja znam da ti i smisao za humor baš i niste u najboljim odnosima, ali sam očekivao da si bar čuo za autoironiju.
ma kako nisam čuo, slušam je svaki dan, u svakom tvom postu.
zato i kažem, oladi malo s tim.
Quote from: Ygg on 03-09-2009, 15:50:27
Od same pomisli da se svako jutro budim uz istu osobu meni je zlo. Ne bih mogao trpiti nekog čitav život pored sebe. Eventualno neki moderni brak u kojem bi supruga i ja živjeli odvojeno i viđali se npr. dva puta sedmično. To bih još i mogao podnijeti. :lol:
Da ne preteruješ malo u entuzijazmu? Nije li dovoljno i dva puta mesečno? :lol:
Nego, sad sam odgledala (konačno) ANTICHRISTA....JBT kakav film!!!! Zašto si mu bre Ghoule dao 4- ? Nije valjda da ti mizoginija smeta? Ne, sigurno nije mizoginija....to čak ni meni nije smetalo. Sjajan film, uznemirujuć, mučan, mračan...beznadežan. My cup of blood :!:
na mom blogu možete da pročitate prikaz filma koji ja teško i da ću uspeti da dostignem – to je ako ne ultimativno čitanje ovog filma, a ono svakako superiorno bilo kojem na koje sam do sada naišao, i vrlo, vrlo blisko mom doživljaju i interpretaciji filma.
http://ljudska_splacina.com/2009/09/antichrist-2009.html (http://ljudska_splacina.com/2009/09/antichrist-2009.html)
fenomenalna racenzija!!!
Antichrist 2009 R5 XVID-PrisM
super, ko poručeno za 3. gledanje - svaki put drugi snimak! :)
Antichrist LiMiTED DVDRip XviD-DoNE
zapremine 2 CDa
Quote from: Ghoul on 08-09-2009, 05:18:27
na mom blogu možete da pročitate prikaz filma koji ja teško i da ću uspeti da dostignem – to je ako ne ultimativno čitanje ovog filma, a ono svakako superiorno bilo kojem na koje sam do sada naišao, i vrlo, vrlo blisko mom doživljaju i interpretaciji filma.
http://ljudska_splacina.com/2009/09/antichrist-2009.html (http://ljudska_splacina.com/2009/09/antichrist-2009.html)
Odlično što si ubacio Bečanovićevu kritiku filma. Citiraću deo iz te kritike koji je ujedno i moje mišljenje :
Quote... Antichrist zauzima suštinski važno, možda i presudno mjesto u razvoju režiserove vizije...
S pravom je bio jedan od najiščekivanijih filmova ove godine.
ja sam ga u međuvremenu pogledo i po 3. put, ocenu privremeno 'zamrzao' na cifri od 4 (****), a umesto prikaza, napisao kraći esej za 1 novi časopis.
da ga ne uročim, čuće se kad bude bliže izlasku - nadam se, max za mesec dana.
Quote from: Son of Man on 03-09-2009, 14:52:26
Jbm ti zivot sta je ono :o
Dal je do toga sto je titl nephodan, ili je do mene, al ja sam jedva pokupio par poenti iz filma, shvatio sam da su ovo dvoje izgubili dete (poginulo, kako ?), i da je keva poludela, ima nocne more, i ovaj joj kao pomaze (psiholog, psihijatar?), a ostatak zaista ne bih bio siguran sta se tu sve desavalo, moracu da sacekam titl, ne vredi. :(
nisam siguran da će ti titl puno pomoći, a ghoul serucka
pogledao sam film, i po mojem shvaćanju, nema tu ništa jednostavno za onoga tko nije barem malo upoznat sa određenom filozofskom mišlju ili zapravo teološkom tradicijom shvaćanja uma kao božanskog, dobrog, a tijela kao prljavog, griješnog, lošeg; duh VS priroda, muško VS žensko
von triera ne volim posebno, iako mi je u gornjoj polovini (bliže sredini nego vrhu); Antikrist mi je valjda najbolji njegov film, -7/10
ne shvaćam zašto ga je publika isfućkala (zbog eksplicitnih scena? pa one jesu nepotrebne i samo snižavaju film za bod, estetika ružnog; ali film nije katastrofa); da nije zbrkan, tj. da ima jasnije izvedenu ideju umjesto nedorečenosti i pomalo konfuzije, film bi bio vrh
film se zove Antikrist, a može se čitati kao baš kršćanski! u toj je tradiciji žena shvaćena kao prljava i zla, vezana uz tijelo, putenost, koje treba prevladati i izdići se u čistom umu koji je pak vezan uz muško. zato žena treba biti uklonjena.
s druge strane, može se čitati kao nemoć tog čistog uma da se nosi sa tijelom, prirodom, ženom u toj finoj sferi, u tim visinama čiste misli i kontemplacije, već mora biti spušten (prizemljen utegom za nogu) u prljavu materijalnost (i štoviše, u podzemlje, u mračne rupe - simbol nesvjesnog i mračnih želja, strahova); žena je uklonjena kada su prevladali mračni impulsi iz podzemlja, kada je muško posrnulo iz božanskih visina - u tom smislu bi mogao stajati Antikrist
kako god,
ta osnovna premisa filma je uzeta baš skolastički; priroda, put, tijelo je mračno, odvratno, prljavo, loše, i to je naravno vezano uz ženu; smrt, trulež, insekti, žirevi padaju, raspadanje - film se komotno može zvati Kršćanin
e da, konačno dobra fotografija, fala Bogu da se von trier okanio one iritantne zrnaste i dogmatičnog Dogma tupljenja; ta fotografija prirode podiže film (i približava ga tarkovskom, barem mrvicu)
Rivju by Aleksandar Radovanović: http://www.popboks.com/tekst.php?ID=7684 (http://www.popboks.com/tekst.php?ID=7684)
Taj fon Trir zaista nema pojma.
imajući u vidu koliko je film zajeban i da na tako malom prostoru treba reći nešto smisleno i zaokruženo, ovo je sasvim solidan rivju.
a harv nema pojma, kao što to već svi vrlo dobro znamo.
QuoteTaj fon Trir zaista nema pojma.
Quoteimajući u vidu koliko je film zajeban i da na tako malom prostoru treba reći nešto smisleno i zaokruženo, ovo je sasvim solidan rivju.
Drago mi je što me podržavaš!
"Antihrist" Larsa fon Trira najbolji nordijski film
Film "Antihrist" danskog režisera Larsa fon Trira proglašen je za najbolji nordijski film, javio je danski državni radio DR.
"Normalno da sam veoma zadovoljan i mislim da je to fantastično", izjavio je režiser i naveo da nije verovao da bi njegov film, toliko kritikovan, mogao dobiti nagradu Nordijskog saveta. "Ostali filmovi mora da su mnogo loši ako je moj najbolji ove godine u nordijskim zemljama", dodao je Fon Trir. "Antihrist" je priča o bolu majke koja je izgubila dete i koja od tuge poludi. Finalne scene prepune nasilja, seksa i samopovredjivanja šokirale su mnoge kritičare i izazvale burna reagovanja.
Nagrada Nordijskog saveta, foruma za saradnju vlada i parlamenata Danske, Finske, Islanda, Norveške i Švedske, iznosi 350.000 danskih lruna (47.000 evra) i laureatu će biti uručena 27. oktobra u Stokholmu.
Poludela je ona davno pre tuge....
Intervju sa von Trierom: http://www.aintitcool.com/node/42779 (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/42779)
već sam se zabrinuo što miloš ne postuje ove intervjue sa ejntitkula, aj oš juče je bio odličan, sa defoom!
Quote from: Ghoul on 21-10-2009, 18:33:19već sam se zabrinuo što miloš ne postuje ove intervjue sa ejntitkula, aj oš juče je bio odličan, sa defoom!
Jeste, i taj je bio odličan, evo ako je nekome promaklo: http://www.aintitcool.com/node/42770 (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/42770)
Inače, u narednom Yellow Cabu biće jedan tekstić o von Trieru, a deminutiv koristim samo zbog dužine istog, tako da je to pre svega presek karijere uz par uopštenih osvrta i kratku najavu Antichrista.
Ovaj AICN je stvarno priča za sebe. Većinski komentari čitalaca su do te mere jadni, kao i uvek kad se spomene von Trier ili bilo šta 'umetničkije', što nema veze sa adaptacijama stripova, crtaća ili igračaka, da zvuče kao da ih sve postuje jedan te isti idiot. Previše čitanja AICN komentara i počećete da sa strašću mrzite gikove, pa čak i ako ste sami gik!
ti ionako već mrziš sebe...
Evo za Harvestera jedan kratki film Larsa von Triera koji će mu se možda i svideti ili će mu bar biti razumljiv ili će bar uspeti da ga pogleda do kraja pošto ne traje dugo ili... Elem, Lars von Trier's Occupations:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xaigqh_occupations-short-film-by-lars-von_shortfilms (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xaigqh_occupations-short-film-by-lars-von_shortfilms)
U ponudi se pojavilo ispeglanije izdanje kratkog von Trierovog Nocturne (1980)
A higher quality rip of this film can be found here as part of the Cinema 16: European Short Films Collection
Nocturne (1980) Lars von Trier
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Ja vec godinama imam perfektan dvdrip, a i ova verzija je vec neko duzhe vreme u opticaju. Ali, u svakom sluchaju intersantan short, vredi pogledati. Posebno za fanove njegove prve faze (kao, recimo, mene).
Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing!!!!!!!!
Strasno.
I? Gde je na kraju izasao gorepomenuti Gulov tekst? :?:
Quote from: Father Jape on 06-03-2010, 16:22:04
I? Gde je na kraju izasao gorepomenuti Gulov tekst? :?:
ovde: http://www.znaksagite.com/diskusije/index.php?topic=8480.0 (http://www.znaksagite.com/diskusije/index.php?topic=8480.0)
Onion TV je zakon:
Denmark Introduces Harrowing New Tourism Ads Directed By Lars Von Trier (http://www.theonion.com/content/video/denmark_introduces_harrowing_new#id100929)
Antichrist: THE GAME: PROLOGUE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJyvWSfpDiY#)
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