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lilit

doveli su demokratiju i u saudijsku arabiju????? hvala zosku na informaciji!!!!
That's how it is with people. Nobody cares how it works as long as it works.

Meho Krljic

Evo malo kontrapropagande. Sigurno je i ovo ulickano preko svake prihvatljive mere, ali ako bacite pola u vodu i dalje ostaje dosta zanimljiv set podataka o Gadafijevoj diktaturi:

Libya & Gaddafi - The Truth you are not supposed to know

džin tonik

Quote from: lilit_depp on 21-10-2011, 17:38:38
doveli su demokratiju i u saudijsku arabiju????? hvala zosku na informaciji!!!!

eto. napisala si svoje misljenje i sta sad? jesi li u bijegu? strahujes li za zivot? glupost, jelte, dobro je na tom pokvarenom zapadu, t.j. u becu.
hajde vrati se u proslost, odi u bivsu gadafijevu zemlju srece ili bilo koji rezim za kojim zalite, pa izjavi nesto analogno ovome kontra el pukovnika sa tisucu fantazija-uniforma okruzenim haremom. mislim da se trenutacno nudi iran.
pa nam javi kako sloboda...

Stipan

Quote from: kralj Kuga on 21-10-2011, 19:43:05
el pukovnika sa tisucu fantazija-uniforma okruzenim haremom. pa nam javi kako sloboda...

Okruzen haremom?! Aj, aj, što ja nisam bio pukovnik makar na dan?! Vredelo bi hiljadu smrti! Živela sloboda!!!

Meho Krljic

Quote from: kralj Kuga on 21-10-2011, 19:43:05
Quote from: lilit_depp on 21-10-2011, 17:38:38
doveli su demokratiju i u saudijsku arabiju????? hvala zosku na informaciji!!!!

eto. napisala si svoje misljenje i sta sad? jesi li u bijegu? strahujes li za zivot? glupost, jelte, dobro je na tom pokvarenom zapadu, t.j. u becu.
hajde vrati se u proslost, odi u bivsu gadafijevu zemlju srece ili bilo koji rezim za kojim zalite, pa izjavi nesto analogno ovome kontra el pukovnika sa tisucu fantazija-uniforma okruzenim haremom. mislim da se trenutacno nudi iran.
pa nam javi kako sloboda...

Ali promašuješ poentu: Saudijska Arabija je baš ta zemlja koja ne da da izraziš mišljenje i pokažeš nogu na ulici ako si žena a nju niko ne napada niti im ubijaju lidera bez suđenja.

Quote from: Stipan on 21-10-2011, 19:51:58
Quote from: kralj Kuga on 21-10-2011, 19:43:05
el pukovnika sa tisucu fantazija-uniforma okruzenim haremom. pa nam javi kako sloboda...

Okruzen haremom?! Aj, aj, što ja nisam bio pukovnik makar na dan?! Vredelo bi hiljadu smrti! Živela sloboda!!!

Ali to je bio harem (zapravo garda) sastavljen od samih devica... Mislim, dobro, ogrebo bi se za poneki handjob ili blowjob, ali da li je to dovoljno?

Stipan

Jeste! Više od toga sa čitavom gardom ionako ne bih izdržao...

džin tonik

Quote from: Meho Krljic on 21-10-2011, 20:10:31

Ali promašuješ poentu: Saudijska Arabija je baš ta zemlja koja ne da da izraziš mišljenje i pokažeš nogu na ulici ako si žena a nju niko ne napada niti im ubijaju lidera bez suđenja.

ma jok, kakva poanta, kakva saudijska arabija. ne zanima me to.
fakt: slavite neke dikatatore a uzivate slobodu koju pruza zapad. slavite diktatore i to vec toliko navikli na tu slobodu da je podrazumijevate. e pa amerikanci vam je pruzaju. nitko drugi.

džin tonik

Quote from: Meho Krljic on 21-10-2011, 20:10:31

Ali to je bio harem (zapravo garda) sastavljen od samih devica... Mislim, dobro, ogrebo bi se za poneki handjob ili blowjob, ali da li je to dovoljno?

je, je, garda djevica. sastavise je od djevica pa je stavise na raspolaganje el pukovniku. sretne djevice.
koja sreca, ostase zemaljske djevice u zamaljskom raju.

Meho Krljic

Ja ne vidim da slavimo. Vrtimo glavom nad savremenim zapadnim svetom koji je u radnu praksu pretvorio likvidacije političkih oponenata bez "due processa" kojih su mu inače puna usta. Možda je to zaista cena naše slobode ali poenta je da nas a ni građane tog zapada niko više ne pita da li žele da je plaćaju. A to onda više i nije stvarna sloboda itd.

džin tonik

tja, uvijek se mozes preseliti u neku potlacenu zemlju. ni tu nema ogranicenja na zapadu.


lilit

lepo je imati meha na sagiti dok sam odsutna.
zosko,
ich musste heute leider eine sehr schöne und gemütliche ausstellung besuchen. wien ist anders. saudi arabia regelt!
That's how it is with people. Nobody cares how it works as long as it works.

džin tonik

zene i ausstellung. ljudi su rodjeni da piju i pjevaju. ja sam pijuckao viljamovku, slusao glazbu i pripremao lov.
Klapa Kampanel -" Pusti da ti leut svira ". Primošten.2008.

Meho Krljic

Lazanski:

Отпадник, покајник и покојник 
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Побуна у Либији против Гадафија тек ће добити историјско вредновање у оквиру процеса ,,арапског пролећа" или мимо њега
  Негде у време 30-годишњице либијске револуције пуковника Муамера Гадафија британске новине толико су хвалиле да је чак и најзагриженијим присталицама премијера Тонија Блера било непријатно:
,,Његови зуби природно су имуни на мрље тако да када његов осмех блесне у пуном сјају он слатком радошћу и правом срећом обасја све у његовој близини", пренео је ,,Дејли телеграф" 12. децембра 1999. године.
,,Трећи пут" и ,,Зелена књига" пуковника Гадафија били су предмет пажљивих анализа британских медија, било је и написа да Гадафи покушава да буде Блеров интелектуални ментор, цитирала се пуковникова теза да је Вилијам Шекспир заправо Арапин, ,,Шеик Спир", чије је књижевно наслеђе присвојио Запад.
Лондону су се у то време смешили велики послови у Либији, а у том контексту медији могу све да објаве, па и то да су по Гадафију ,,жене дивна бића која се налазе у сенци мушкараца", па и о рвању и боксу као ,,доказу да се мушкарци нису ослободили примитивног понашања".
Са енглеским цинизмом, или без њега, тек делови Гадафијеве ,,Зелене књиге" имали су прођу у Великој Британији. А проблем рушења путничког авиона изнад Локербија био је само проблем висине новчаног износа одштете. Тони Блер се задовољно смешио, бизнисмени су трљали руке.
Некако истовремено, у Немачкој је господин Морит Хунцингер, тада шеф једне пропагандне пи-ар компаније из Франкфурта имао више контаката са људима из Гадафијевог окружења с циљем да се ,,придобије наклоност оних који одлучују о политичком туризму". Преведено на језик пропаганде, то би значило да лик и дело пуковника Гадафија постану прихватљиви за јавност у Немачкој. Господин Морит је објаснио своју стратегију за побољшање имиџа либијског лидера: ,,Гадафи мора да начини институцију од свог гостопримства, а наш посао је да уверимо свет како се с њим може успешно живети и радити". ,,Гадафи мора да приступи другим шефовима држава и да се потруди да буде њихов гост, а сваки западњак мора у Либији да се добро осећа", тврдио је тада господин Хунцингер и наставио ,,да ако је Фиделу Кастру пошло за руком да му у госте дође једна немачка министарка, то нам може успети и са Гадафијем". И успевало је све до пролећа ове године...
Јер отпаднички лидери нису и непоправљиво отпаднички, дају се они подврћи и терапији, увек када су у питању послови са нафтом и концесијама. Осим политичких сукоба који су изнедрили идеју о отпадничким земљама и отпадничким лидерима ту је и једно концептуално. У САД је опште прихваћена претпоставка да свака земља пролази исти пут, иде ка истом одредишту, које Американци, и уопште Запад, поистовећују са својим просперитетом и својим обликом демократије. Наравно, није ми ни на крај памети да тврдим да је пуковник Гадафи био демократа, али је секуларна пројекција западног виђења историје очито у сукобу са различитим концепцијама арапске историје. Побуна у Либији против Гадафија тек ће добити историјско вредновање у оквиру процеса ,,арапског пролећа" или мимо њега. Јер пуковник је прво био отпадник, па онда западни покајник и на крају покојник.
Бивши главни ,,кремљолог" америчког Стејт департмента Марк Палмер предложио је пре седам година светској заједници да постави себи циљ да у наредних 20 година свет ослободи од 43 преостала диктатора. Амерички политичари у начелу су се одмах сложили са циљем, истина мало су се нећкали око начина на који то треба обавити. Како је у то време Садам Хусеин већ био готов, а сада и пуковник Гадафи, било би занимљиво видети прецизан амерички списак преосталих диктатора у свету. Да знамо ко је следећи. Јер такве војне интервенције доносе мир у свету, правда стиже све тиране, од Авганистана до Ирака. Можда ће и у Дамаску да се мало више замисле. Пут ка глобалној светској срећи поплочан је западним војним и хуманитарним интервенцијама, пучевима и атентатима, променама режима у страној режији и уз помоћ домаћих извођача радова. И то није Холивуд, већ стварни свет 20. и 21. века. Ширење демократије од краја хладног рата са тенденцијом потврде неприкосновеног статуса САД као светионика демократије на том племенитом путу. Амин.
  Мирослав Лазански објављено: 22.10.2011

Anomander Rejk

Gadafijevo telo izloženo u frižideru u tržnom centru u Misrati  :shock:.
Ako je i od pobunjenika i Zapada, mnogo je. Negde se mora povući crta u
oduzimanju ljudskosti protivniku.
Tajno pišem zbirke po kućama...

Karl Rosman

Quote from: Meho Krljic on 22-10-2011, 14:21:55
цитирала се пуковникова теза да је Вилијам Шекспир заправо Арапин, ,,Шеик Спир", чије је књижевно наслеђе присвојио Запад.

Eto, da je znao cuvati tajnu mozda bi i danas bio ziv...  :-x
"On really romantic evenings of self, I go salsa dancing with my confusion."
"Well, I've wrestled with reality for 35 years, Doctor, and I'm happy to state I finally won over it"

džin tonik

tako treba. ja bih jos snimio i pornic za nekrofile.


Meho Krljic

Nije baš arapska revolucija, ali dobro dođe da se uklopi uz temu:

Afghanistan to back Pakistan if wars with U.S.: Karzai
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ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - Afghanistan would support Pakistan in case of military conflict between Pakistan and the United States, Afghan President Hamid Karzai said in an interview to a private Pakistani TV channel broadcast on Saturday.
The remarks were in sharp contrast to recent tension between the two neighbors over cross-border raids, and Afghan accusations that Pakistan was involved in killing the chief Afghan peace envoy, former Afghan president Burhanuddin Rabbani, by a suicide bomber on September 20.
"God forbid, If ever there is a war between Pakistan and America, Afghanistan will side with Pakistan," he said in the interview to Geo television.
"If Pakistan is attacked and if the people of Pakistan needs Afghanistan's help, Afghanistan will be there with you."
Such a situation is extremely unlikely, however. Despite months of tension and tough talk between Washington and Islamabad, the two allies appear to be working to ease tension.
In a two-day visit to Islamabad, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton issued stern warnings and asked for more cooperation in winding down the war in Afghanistan, but ruled out "boots on the ground" in North Waziristan, where Washington has been pushing Pakistan to tackle the Haqqani network.
The Haqqani are a group of militants Washington has blamed for a series of attacks in Afghanistan, using sanctuaries in the Pakistani tribal region along the Afghan border.
Pakistan is seen as a critical to the U.S. drive to end the conflict in Afghanistan.
Pressure on Islamabad has been mounting since U.S. special forces found and killed Osama bin Laden in May in a Pakistani garrison town, where he apparently had been living for years.
The secret bin Laden raid was the biggest blow to U.S.-Pakistan relations since Islamabad joined the U.S. "war on terror" after the September 11, 2001, attacks on the United States.
Karzai said tensions between the United States and Pakistan did not have any impact in his country's attitude toward Pakistan.
The TV channel, Geo, did not say when the interview was conducted.
Afghans have long been suspicious of Pakistan's intentions in their country and question its promise to help bring peace. Karzai repeated that concern in his remarks.
"Please brother, stop using all methods that hurt us and that are now hurting you.
"Let's engage from a different platform, a platform in which the two brothers only progress toward a better future in peace and harmony," he said.
Following the death of Rabbani, Karzai said he would cease attempting to reach out to the Afghan Taliban and instead negotiate directly with Pakistan, saying its military and intelligence services could influence the militants to make peace.
(Reporting by Augustine Anthony; Editing by Chris Allbritton and Michael Roddy

SIMERIJANAC

Gaddafi's Handwritten Last Will Emerges

"I pledge that I will die as Muslim. Should I be killed, I would like to be buried, according to Muslim rituals, in the clothes I was wearing at the time of my death and my body unwashed, in the cemetery of Sirte, next to my family and relatives", reads the last will and testament of the former Libya's leader Muammar Gaddafi, published on his website Seven Days News.

According to the site, the handwritten document was made only few days before his death and was handed to three of his relatives, one of whom was killed, the second arrested and the third managed to escape the fighting in Sirte.

Here is the English translation of Gaddafi's last will and testament, as published by the BBC.

"This is my will. I, Muammar bin Mohammad bin Abdussalam bi Humayd bin Abu Manyar bin Humayd bin Nayil al Fuhsi Gaddafi, do swear that there is no other God but Allah and that Mohammad is God's Prophet, peace be upon him. I pledge that I will die as Muslim.

Should I be killed, I would like to be buried, according to Muslim rituals, in the clothes I was wearing at the time of my death and my body unwashed, in the cemetery of Sirte, next to my family and relatives.

I would like that my family, especially women and children, be treated well after my death. The Libyan people should protect its identity, achievements, history and the honorable image of its ancestors and heroes. The Libyan people should not relinquish the sacrifices of the free and best people.

I call on my supporters to continue the resistance, and fight any foreign aggressor against Libya, today, tomorrow and always.

Let the free people of the world know that we could have bargained over and sold out our cause in return for a personal secure and stable life. We received many offers to this effect but we chose to be at the vanguard of the confrontation as a badge of duty and honor.

Even if we do not win immediately, we will give a lesson to future generations that choosing to protect the nation is an honor and selling it out is the greatest betrayal that history will remember forever despite the attempts of the others to tell you otherwise."


Meho Krljic

Miljenko Faking Jergović:

Збогом смешни скупе
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Та страст либералних демократија да уз помоћ даљинских управљача убијају људе који им се не свиђају страшнија је од Хрушчовљеве ликвидације Имре Нађа и од Кисинџеровог убојства Аљендеа
   Прво што ми је на ум пало док сам прије неколико дана овдје, у Загребу, гледао како цјелокупна хрватска јавност (част изузетку, сплитској ,,Слободној Далмацији") оргија над мртвим тијелом пуковника Моамера ел Гадафија, био је онај његов љутити, однекуд скоро хамлетовски поздрав, уз који је напустио, све са шаторима разапетим на првоме циркус плацу и девама паркираним уз црне мерцедесе, онај београдски скуп несврстаних, одржан у вријеме док смо ми овдашњи још били заједно. ,,Збогом смијешни скупе!", наводно је тада узвикнуо. ,,Збогом смијешни скупе!", као да то и нама Хрватима, спремним да у постројбамаНАТО-а већ колико сутра бранимо Либију од Либијаца, као што данас бранимо Афганистан од Афганистанаца, и свим другим, малим и опустошеним транзицијским племенима, бившим несврстанима и својој невјерној арапској и муслиманској браћи, Гадафи упућује свој посљедњи поздрав. Колико год ми оргијали над пуковниковим кадавером и колико год над њим, попут увеле плавуше из вица, оргијала америчка државна секретарица, мртав тиранин и диктатор, у оној хладњачи, данас достојанственије и људскије изгледа од својих живих непријатеља.
Био је револуционар, самодржац и окрутан човјек. Колико год нам се чинио живописним, не бисмо за њим сузе пустили да је, рецимо, умро од анеуризме. Да му је у сну пукла жилица у мозгу и једноставно се више није пробудио. Али ово је нешто друго. Та страст либералних демократија, која се испољила у више наврата након једанаестогсептембра, да уз помоћ даљинских управљача својих телевизора убијају људе који им се не свиђају, рецимо Садама, рецимо Моамера, рецимо људе који су негдје код Кабула пошли на свадбу, па их је погрешно лоцирао амерички ловац, рецимо Бразилца у лондонском метроу, којега су полицајци погрешно идентифицирали као исламскога терористу, та је страст тако одвратна, страшнија и од Хрушчовљеве ликвидације Имре Нађа, и од Кисинџеровог убојства Салвадора Аљендеа, и од револуционарне судбине брачнога пара Чаушеску, јер та либерално-демократска страст дјелује некако хигијенски чисто. Руке им, наиме, нису нимало крваве, само што цјелокупну јавност, нас овдашње, и Хрвате, и Србе, али и властите грађанине, третирају као ловачке псе, који се требају узмахати реповима након што оњуше крв.
Над Гадафијевом смрћу, глобално, слави врло разнолика чељад: Обама и Саркози, челници арапских револуција, лијеви и десни хобисти, али и исламски екстремисти, вјерски правовјерници, фундаменталисти свих фела, којима је сметао и сам Гадафи, који је, заправо био атеист, колико год му књига била зелена, али им је још више сметала његова социјалистичка, секуларизирана џамахирија. Нова Либија, ако икакве Либије буде, и ако тамо гдје је до јучер била џамахирија сутра не буду америчка и британска нафтна поља, окружена крвавим племенским ратовима нискога интензитета, безопасним по Европу и ирелевантним по америчке економске интересе, сасвим сигурно неће бити ни социјалистичка, ни секуларна. У ономе што слиједи, па чак и у сретним околностима у којимане би било племенскога рата, и били би успостављени неки рудиментарни демократски принципи друштвенога одлучивања, Либија неће бити секуларна држава, нити ће жене бити равноправне, нити ће се догодити ишта од оног у што се либерални демократе код куће, на западу, иначе заклињу.
Али будимо егоистични, и кажимо да нас се не тиче каква ће бити Либија. Нама се, код куће, догодило нешто страшно. Постали смо саучесници у крвавој ликвидацији, јер смо уживали гледајући је на својим екранима и на новинским насловницама. Данас је то био Гадафи, сутра ће бити неки други диктатор. Али хоћемо ли знати разликовати леш мртвога диктатора од лешева невиних људи, када сутра буде одлучено, као у Андрићевој ,,Проклетој авлији", да се тај дан убијају само невини? И нисмо ли још јучер учили да смо у смрти сви једнаки и да не би смјело бити разлике између тијела мртвога либијског пуковника и тијела Американаца страдалих једанаестог септембра? Који ли је смијешни скуп успоставио и ту разлику?
  Миљенко Јерговић објављено: 26.10.2011.

lilit

miljenko tzar.

no, evo ga viri zosko koji će nam argumentovano objasniti da je miljenko...... izdajnik? srpski plaćenik? izrod? xrofl
That's how it is with people. Nobody cares how it works as long as it works.

Father Jape

Ovo je najtekstbučniji mogući slučaj propovedanja horu. Toliko da mi se skoro gadi.

Da lepo on to da da se prevede na engleski, pa plasira u neko inozemno glasilo. Tako možda bude nekakve vajde od teksta.
Blijedi čovjek na tragu pervertita.
To je ta nezadrživa napaljenost mladosti.
Dušman u odsustvu Dušmana.

scallop

Dobro je i na ćirilici.
Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. - Mark Twain.

Meho Krljic

Misliš najtekstbučniji kejs pričinga koaru? Jeste, nema sumnje, ali neko mora da napiše i takav tekst. Ovo

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Колико год нам се чинио живописним, не бисмо за њим сузе пустили да је, рецимо, умро од анеуризме.

je dosta dobar sažetak.

Lord Kufer

Kakva demokratija u Libiji. Tamo sad tek počinje građanski rat. Aj da slavimo, ubili su omraženog Muada Diba  xuss

SIMERIJANAC


džin tonik

Quote from: lilit_depp on 26-10-2011, 21:22:13
miljenko tzar.

no, evo ga viri zosko koji će nam argumentovano objasniti da je miljenko...... izdajnik? srpski plaćenik? izrod? xrofl

bez da citam tekst: jergovic, ljudski otpad.
argumenti nepotrebni.

Meho Krljic

Mubarak dobio doživotnu robiju, mase protestuju, traže smrtnu kaznu:

Arab Spring: Egyptians march in outrage 
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Thousands gathered in Cairo's Tahrir Square on Saturday, and many hours later they were still chanting that the revolution is back and the military government needs to go, creating speculation that the Arab Spring has returned.
The crowds gathered Saturday after a court sentenced Hosni Mubarak, the embattled and ailing former ruler who led Egypt with an iron first for 30 years, to life in prison for his role in the killing of more than 800 protesters who were demanding he step down. The charges carried a possible death sentence, but the judge chose life imprisonment instead.
There were celebrations in the streets when the verdict was announced, but it was short-lived, as protesters learned of the mixed verdict: While Mubarak was sentenced to life in prison, he and his two sons were acquitted of corruption charges.
Other senior government officials were acquitted, leaving no one found guilty of ordering the deaths of protesters last year.
"The people want the execution of the murderer," the crowd chanted.
Initial euphoria gave way to anger. Protesters, flying Egyptian flags and setting off fireworks, chanted "baatel," which means void, in reference to today's verdict.
Some on the streets carried banners that read "God's verdict is execution," while others in the city of Alexandra chanted "We are done with talk; We want an execution." Still others spread posters of Mubarak on the ground and walked over them.
Thousands of riot police in helmets and shields were needed to contain the restive, anti-Mubarak crowd outside the court. So far, the demonstrations have been relatively non-violent, although there have been several unconfirmed reports of sexual harassment on Twitter.
The "Black" Years: "Darkness That Resembled a Winter Night"
Mubarak, once a key U.S. ally and one of the longest standing Arab leaders in modern history, sat stone faced in court as Judge Ahmed Rifat read his verdict.
It began with words that just two years ago, would have been unthinkable.
"The people released a collective sigh of relief after a nightmare that did not, as is customary, last for a night, but for almost 30 black, black, black years -- darkness that resembled a winter night," he said.
"The revolution by the people of Egypt was inspired by God. They did not seek a luxurious life or to sit atop the world, but asked their politicians, rulers and those in authority to give them a decent life and a bite to eat," he said.
"They peacefully demanded democracy from rulers who held a tight grip on power."
Following the verdict, Mubarak suffered a "health crisis" on a helicopter en route to Cairo prison hospital, where he is expected to serve out his sentence. State media reported it as a heart attack, but it could not be independently confirmed.
Officials say that upon arrival, Mubarak refused to leave the helicopter for a full two hours, insisting instead that he be taken to a military hospital on the outskirts of Cairo, where he has stayed since his trial began in August.
Before that, Mubarak had been staying in a hospital in the Red Sea resort town of Sharm el Sheikh, where he reportedly had privileged access to health facilities, a swimming pool, and received visits from other Gulf rulers.  Mubarak's Sons Acquitted of Corruption Charges
Inside the courtroom, a scuffle broke out as soon as the verdict was read. Although Mubarak was convicted for his role in suppressing the uprising, he and his sons, Gamal and Alaa, along with a family friend, were acquitted of corruption charges. Because of other, pre-existing charges against Gamal and Alaa that have yet to be heard in court, the two brothers will remain behind bars.
A number of revolutionary groups, including the powerful Muslim Brotherhood, which was outlawed during Mubarak's regime, called for massive protests at Tahrir Square, the symbolic home of the uprising. Many were upset that Mubarak wasn't found guilty on all charges. They said the verdict was an indication that the old Mubarak regime is still influencing the judiciary.
"Justice was not served," said Ramadan Ahmed, whose son was killed on Jan. 28, 2011. "This is a sham."
Human Rights Watch called the verdict a landmark, but criticized the prosecution for failing to fully investigate the case.
"It sends a powerful message to Egypt's future leaders that they are not above the law," HRW spokesman Joe Stork said. "These convictions set an important precedent since just over a year ago, seeing Mubarak as a defendant in a criminal court would have been unthinkable."
Egypt Set for a Runoff in Presidential Elections
The verdict comes at a crucial time, with the country set for a run-off tiebreaker in its president elections. The showdown is a contest between Ahmed Shafiq, a former protégé of Mubarak's, and Mohammed Morsi, the leader of the Muslim Brotherhood.
On his Facebook page, Shafiq declined to comment on the court ruling, but said it shows no one is above the law in Egypt, and that the old regime would never come back.
In contrast, a spokesman for Morsi called the verdicts "shocking" and vowed retribution.
"I am part of this people who lived for decades under oppression. The blood from the martyrs' wounds is still running. I was, and still am, and will remain a revolutionary until the revolution's aims are realized," said Morsi in a press conference, according to the Egypt Independent.
Morsi and Shafiq will go on a head-to-head presidential runoff on June 16-17.
The Associated Press and ABC News' Molly Hunter contributed to this report.


Meho Krljic

Da malo rez'rektujemo temu...

Assad's forces accused of massacre near Syrian capital 
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ALEPPO, Syria (Reuters) - Syrian opposition activists accused President Bashar al-Assad's army of massacring hundreds of people in a town close to the capital that government forces recaptured from rebels.
About 320 bodies, including women and children, were found in houses and basements in the town of Daraya, southwest of Damascus, according to activists who said on Sunday most had been killed "execution-style" by troops.
Activists uploaded several videos to the Internet showing rows of bloodied bodies wrapped in sheets. Most of the dead appeared to be young men of fighting age, but at least one video showed several children who appeared to have been shot in the head. The body of one toddler was soaked in blood.
Due to restrictions on non-state media in Syria, it was impossible to verify the accounts independently.
Clashes are raging across Syria as the 17-month-old rebellion grows increasingly bloody, particularly in the northern city of Aleppo, where the army and rebels appear stuck in a war of attrition.
Fighting in Aleppo on Sunday was the heaviest in the past week, according to Reuters journalists on the ground.
Fighter jets dropped bombs and fired missiles on rebel-held districts in the south of Aleppo, Syria's largest city, as residents fled in panic. Reuters journalists there heard heavy explosions as clouds of black smoke rose a mile into the air.
Rebels say they control at least half the city of 2.5 million, but their hold is fragile as long as Assad's forces can unleash their air power against fighters who are comparatively lightly armed.
The uprising, which began as peaceful protests, has become a brutal civil war. United Nations investigators have accused both sides of war crimes but laid more blame on government troops and pro-government militia than on the rebels.
The killings in Daraya, a working class Sunni Muslim town that sustained three days of bombardment before being overrun by the army on Friday, raised the daily death toll to 440 people on Saturday, one of the highest since the uprising began, an activist network called the Local Coordination Committees said.
The official state news agency said: "Our heroic armed forces cleansed Daraya from remnants of armed terrorist groups who committed crimes against the sons of the town."
The death toll for the following day, Sunday, was more than 90, including civilians and fighters, according to another activist network, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights.
It said at least eight people were killed and dozens wounded on Sunday night when security forces shelled the southern town of Basra al-Sham in Deraa province, with the death toll likely to rise as many of the wounds were severe.
In Damascus, government helicopters hovered near the main Abbaside Square on Sunday and fired rockets and machineguns at eastern residential neighborhoods where rebels continued guerrilla attacks against loyalists, residents said.
Haitham, an activist in Damascus, said troops were also firing machineguns from roadblocks that encircle the suburbs.
"Ninety percent of the time they fire randomly at bystanders and homes. Rarely they hit rebels," he said.
"REGIONAL PLOT"
Assad, who met an Iranian parliamentary delegation in the capital on Sunday, said the crisis was the result of Western and regional states trying to crush Syria's role in the "resistance" against Western and Israeli domination in the region.
"What is happening right now is not just a plot directed against Syria but the region as a whole, of which Syria is a foundational stone," he was cited as saying by state news agency SANA.
The United Nations estimates that more than 18,000 people have been killed in the conflict that pits a mainly Sunni Muslim opposition against a ruling system dominated by the Assad family - members of the Alawite faith, an offshoot of Shi'ite Islam.
Diplomatic efforts to stop the violence in Syria are stalled by a stalemate between Western countries, Gulf Arab states and Turkey - who all support the opposition - and Iran, Russia and China - who support Assad.
With veto-wielding Russia leading resistance to action against Assad, the U.N. Security Council remains deadlocked.
Egypt is seeking to arrange a four-way meeting with Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Iran, the main regional players in the conflict. Iran, a Shi'ite power, is Assad's main backer, while Saudi Arabia is believed to be supplying weapons to the rebels.
Iran accuses its foes in the West and the Arab world of fuelling the conflict by arming the opposition. Deputy Foreign Minister Hossein Amir-Abdollahian welcomed Egypt's initiative.
"Iran has its own views about the political process in Syria and will put forth these views upon the formation of this committee," he said. "We see any foreign intervention, terrorist actions and armed movements against the wishes of the people of Syria."
The Iranian parliamentary delegation that met with Assad also visited Vice-President Farouq al-Sharaa. It was Sharaa's first public appearance in weeks, quashing activist rumors that he had defected to the opposition.

Tex Murphy

Наши за сада добро стоје, отуд и кукњава од стране пацова.
Genetski četnik

Novi smakosvjetovni blog!

Truba

Najjači forum na kojem se osjećam kao kod kuće i gdje uvijek mogu reći što mislim bez posljedica, mada ipak ne bih trebao mnogo pričati...

Meho Krljic

A nije im valjao Mubarak. Nit Gadafi...

American killed in Libya protest over film   
QuoteCAIRO (AP) — Protesters angered over a film that ridiculed Islam's Prophet Muhammad fired gunshots and burned down the U.S. consulate in the eastern Libyan city of Benghazi, killing one American, witnesses and the State Department said. In Egypt, protesters scaled the walls of the U.S. Embassy in Cairo, and tore and replaced the American flag with an Islamic banner.
Tuesday's attacks were the first such assaults on U.S. diplomatic facilities in either country, at a time when both Libya and Egypt are struggling to overcome the turmoil following the ouster of their longtime leaders, Moammar Gadhafi and Hosni Mubarak, in uprisings last year.
The protests in both countries were sparked by outrage over a film ridiculing Muhammad produced by an American in California and being promoted by an extreme anti-Muslim Egyptian Christian campaigner in the United States. Excerpts from the film dubbed into Arabic were posted on YouTube.
U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton confirmed that oneState Department officer had been killed in the protest at the U.S. consulate in Benghazi. She strongly condemned the attack and said she had called Libyan President Mohammed el-Megarif "to coordinate additional support to protect Americans in Libya."
Clinton expressed concern that the protests might spread to other countries. She said the U.S. is working with "partner countries around the world to protect our personnel, our missions, and American citizens worldwide."
"Some have sought to justify this vicious behavior as a response to inflammatory material posted on the Internet," Clinton said in a statement released by the State Department. "The United States deplores any intentional effort to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. Our commitment to religious tolerance goes back to the very beginning of our nation. But let me be clear: There is never any justification for violent acts of this kind."
In Benghazi, a large mob stormed the U.S. consulate, with gunmen firing their weapons, said Wanis al-Sharef, an Interior Ministry official in Benghazi. A witness said attackers fired automatic weapons and rocket-propelled grenades at the consulate as they clashed with Libyans hired to guard the facility.
Outnumbered by the crowd, Libyan security forces did little to stop them, al-Sharef said.
The crowd overwhelmed the facility and set fire to it, burning most of it and looting the contents, witnesses said.
One American was shot to death and a second was wounded in the hand, al-Sharef said. He did not give further details.
The violence at the consulate lasted for about three hours, but the situation has now quieted down, said another witness.
"I heard nearly 10 explosions and all kinds of weapons. It was a terrifying day," said the witness who refused to give his name because he feared retribution.
Hours before the Benghazi attack, hundreds of mainly ultraconservative Islamist protesters in Egypt marched to the U.S. Embassy in downtown Cairo, gathering outside its walls and chanting against the movie and the U.S. Most of the embassy staff had left the compound earlier because of warnings of the upcoming demonstration.
"Say it, don't fear: Their ambassador must leave," the crowd chanted.
Dozens of protesters then scaled the embassy walls, and several went into the courtyard and took down the American flag from a pole. They brought it back to the crowd outside, which tried to burn it, but failing that tore it apart.
The protesters on the wall then raised on the flagpole a black flag with a Muslim declaration of faith, "There is no god but God and Muhammad is his prophet." The flag, similar to the banner used by al-Qaida, is commonly used by ultraconservatives around the region.
The crowd grew throughout Tuesday evening, with thousands standing outside the embassy. Dozens of riot police lined up along the embassy walls but did not stop protesters as they continued to climb and stand on the wall — though it appeared no more went into the compound.
The crowd chanted, "Islamic, Islamic. The right of our prophet will not die." Some shouted, "We are all Osama," referring to al-Qaida leader bin Laden. Young men, some in masks, sprayed graffiti on the walls. Some grumbled that Islamist President Mohammed Morsi had not spoken out about the movie.
A group of women in black veils and robes that left only their eyes exposed chanted, "Worshippers of the Cross, leave the Prophet Muhammad alone."
By midnight, the crowd had dwindled. The U.S. Embassy said on its Twitter account that there will be no visa services on Wednesday because of the protests.
A senior Egyptian security official at the embassy area said authorities allowed the protest because it was "peaceful." When they started climbing the walls, he said he called for more troops, denying that the protesters stormed the embassy. He spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to reporters.
The Cairo embassy is in a diplomatic area in Garden City, where the British and Italian embassies are located, only a few blocks away from Tahrir Square, the center of last year's uprising that led to the ouster of Mubarak. The U.S. Embassy is built like a fortress, with a wall several meters (yards) high. But security has been scaled back in recent months, with several roadblocks leading to the facility removed after legal court cases by residents.
The Egyptian Foreign Ministry promised in a statement to provide the necessary security for diplomatic missions and embassies and warned that "such incidents will negatively impact the image of stability in Egypt, which will have consequences on the life of its citizens."
One protester, Hossam Ahmed, said he was among those who entered the embassy compound and replaced the American flag with the black one. He said the group has now removed the black flag from the pole and laid it instead on a ladder on top of the wall.
"This is a very simple reaction to harming our prophet," said another, bearded young protester, Abdel-Hamid Ibrahim.
In Washington, State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said Egyptian police had removed the demonstrators who entered the embassy grounds.
Muslims find it offensive to depict Muhammad in any fashion, much less in an insulting way. The 2005 publication of 12 caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad in a Danish newspaper triggered riots in many Muslim countries.
A 14-minute trailer of the movie that sparked the protests, posted on the website YouTube in an original English version and another dubbed into Egyptian Arabic, depicts Muhammad as a fraud, a womanizer and a madman in an overtly ridiculing way, showing him having sex and calling for massacres.
The website's guidelines call for removing videos that include a threat of violence, but not those that only express opinions. YouTube's practice is not to comment on specific videos.
Sam Bacile, an American citizen who said he produced, directed and wrote the two-hour film, said he had not anticipated such a furious reaction.
"I feel sorry for the embassy. I am mad," Bacile said.
Speaking from a telephone with a California number, Bacile said he is Jewish and familiar with the region. Bacile said the film was produced in English and he doesn't know who dubbed it in Arabic. The full film has not been shown yet, he said, and he said he has declined distribution offers for now.
"My plan is to make a series of 200 hours" about the same subject, he said.
Morris Sadek, an Egyptian-born Christian in the U.S. known for his anti-Islam views, told The Associated Press from Washington that he was promoting the video on his website and on certain TV stations, which he did not identify.
Both depicted the film as showing how Coptic Christians are oppressed in Egypt, though it goes well beyond that to ridicule Muhammad — a reflection of their contention that Islam as a religion is inherently oppressive.
"The main problem is I am the first one to put on the screen someone who is (portraying) Muhammad. It makes them mad," Bacile said. "But we have to open the door. After 9/11 everybody should be in front of the judge, even Jesus, even Muhammad."
For several days, Egyptian media have been reporting on the video, playing some excerpts from it and blaming Sadek for it, with ultraconservative clerics going on air to denounce it.
Medhat Klada, a representative of Coptic Christian organizations in Europe, said Sadek's views are not representative of expatriate Copts.
"He is an extremist ... We don't go down this road. He has incited the people (in Egypt) against Copts," he said, speaking from Switzerland. "We refuse any attacks on religions because of a moral position."
But he said he was concerned about the backlash from angry Islamists, saying their protest only promotes the movie. "They don't know dialogue and they think that Islam will be offended from a movie."
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Associated Press writers Bradley Klapper in Washington and Esam Mohamed in Tripoli, Libya, contributed to this report.

Meho Krljic

Šit gets ril:

U.S. ambassador to Libya killed in attack: Libya official 
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    BEIRUT (Reuters) - The U.S. ambassador to Libya and three other embassy staff were killed in a rocket attack on Tuesday night that targeted his car in the eastern Libyan city of Benghazi, a Libyan official said on Wednesday.
"The American ambassador and three staff members were killed when gunmen fired rockets at them," the official in Benghazi told Reuters. Asked about the deaths, a U.S. Embassy employee in Tripoli said: "We have no information regarding this." The employee said the embassy could confirm the death of one person.
The Libyan official said the U.S. ambassador had been on his way to a safer venue after protesters attacked the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi and opened fire, killing a staff member, in protest at a U.S. film that they deemed blasphemous to the Prophet Mohammad.
The official said the ambassador and three other staff were killed when gunmen fired rockets at his car. He said the U.S. Embassy had sent a military plane to transport the bodies to Tripoli to fly them to the United States.
Gunmen assaulted the Benghazi compound on Tuesday evening, clashing with Libyan security forces, who withdrew under heavy fire. The attackers fired at the buildings while others threw handmade bombs into the compound, setting off small explosions. Small fires were burning around the compound.
The assault followed a protest in neighboring Egypt where demonstrators scaled the walls of the U.S. embassy, tore down the American flag and burned it during a protest over the same film which they said insulted the Prophet Mohammad.
(Reporting by Samia Nakhoul and Marie-Louise Gumuchian; Editing by Mark Heinrich)   

Edit: komentari američkih čitalaca su... prajsles? Dipresing? Sami odlučite!

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  2users liked this commentPlease sign in to rate a Thumb UpPlease sign in to rate a Thumb Down0users disliked this commentTony 2 mins 12 secs ago
Hope you're happy with the governments you got out of your support for Libya and Egypt Obama. I'm sure you're very proud of your Muslim brothers now.
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    Gee...what will be Slobama's reaction to this. He has no foreign policy, and a sorry Cabinet. Maybe skunk hair Janet N. can lead a force to re-capture our consulate. This administration is the Keystone cops of our time.
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  • v1/comments/context/fee59503-1eda-3de4-ba81-f22c96816722/comment/1347445179587-5d2621a0-b3ed-4f49-b3b2-b5ec591fac90   1users liked this commentPlease sign in to rate a Thumb UpPlease sign in to rate a Thumb Down0users disliked this commentSATAN 2 mins 1 sec ago
    PEACEFUL MUSLIMS KILL AMERICAN AMBASSADORS
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    More Muzzie love for the world. It's time to use Israel as the agent we've always been accused of having, anyways. Muzzie can rot under their dictators - THIS is way Muzzie #$%$ shows their grattitude. Rot in hel1l1, Muzzie #$%$.
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Didn't we just save these muslims from Khadafi just a few months ago? Ya, YOUR WELCOME! Lets go save the Syrians next! As far as I'm concerned all arabs can go pound sand! Let them live in the stone age and when they get out of hand we'll stick a predator drone up their #$%$
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  • v1/comments/context/fee59503-1eda-3de4-ba81-f22c96816722/comment/1347445181857-6e567128-b486-47c6-972f-aa6fc36b321f   1users liked this commentPlease sign in to rate a Thumb UpPlease sign in to rate a Thumb Down0users disliked this commentobama's death panel 1 min 59 secs ago
    U.S. ambassador to Libya killed in attack: Libya official...
    obama too busy to meet w/anyone on this issue.
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    Thanks Hussein.
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    SO muslims stormed a us embassy and killed an ambassidoe over a movie. SO whatThey have a buddy in the white house and all the people will still vote for him case closed.
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    Lets see how fast obama apologizes to these radicals for this.
    Because we sure know he wont call and apoligize to the members of the family whos relative was killed.
    Still waiting to hear about him calling the family of Brian Terry to apologize for "Fast & Furious" guns that killed him....
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Meho Krljic

Naravno, raja peni od bijesa, ali kapiram da je za ljude koji su in čardž ovo prihvatljiva cena za kontrolisanje zemalja koje su bogate naftom u većoj meri nego što su ih kontrolisali ranije.


Джон Рейнольдс

Ти тзв. "радикални исламисти" су у сумњивом броју случајева толико радили у корист своје штете, а ишли на руку окупаторима, да искрено сумњам у то да нису неки огранак окупаторске машинерије. Увек је лепо видети мртве намеснике окупаторске силе, али ето опет читам крвожедне поруке оне Клинтонове курве, па већ видим да ће "интифада" служити само за одржавање вечитог нереда у држави која ће и даље бити експлоатисана. Иста се ствар већ годинама дешава у Ираку, а у последњем броју "Печата" постоји солидан текстић, подсећање на бесрамног Тонија Блера и недавни инцидент кад је Дезмод Туту с презиром напустио један скуп не желећи да буде у истој просторији с тим злочинцем.

На крају крајева, да се вратим на те "радикалне исламисте", то је иста плаћеничка багра који за интерес Империје Зла ратује против Асада. Где су ти "радикални исламисти" да ударе мало по Израелу?
America can't protect you, Allah can't protect you... And the KGB is everywhere.

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Truba

ne mogu

tamo svaka šuša pogađa s 15 metara među oči
svaka zgrada ima detektor
svaki granap
na svakom ćošku je neko sa šmajserom
Najjači forum na kojem se osjećam kao kod kuće i gdje uvijek mogu reći što mislim bez posljedica, mada ipak ne bih trebao mnogo pričati...


pokojni Steva

Quote from: Black swan on 12-09-2012, 17:50:15
ne mogu

tamo svaka šuša pogađa s 15 metara među oči
svaka zgrada ima detektor
svaki granap
na svakom ćošku je neko sa šmajserom


Jes' ti čuo za artiljeriju i tenak?  :!:
Jelte, jel' i kod vas petnaes' do pola dvanaes'?

Meho Krljic

kako sad uklopiti ove događaje u predizbornu kampanju?
Iran redux? Could killing of US ambassador sway presidential race?
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The killing of Chris Stevens, the US ambassador to Libya, is a stark reminder of the difficulties of US policy in a troubled region – and how events can intrude on a presidential campaign.
Violent attacks on US diplomatic facilities in the Middle East, which killed US Ambassador to Libya Chris Stevens and three members of his staff, have raised a new and potentially volatile political issue in the United States at a crucial moment of the 2012 campaign.

The presidential election is now only a few weeks away. If nothing else, these latest Sept. 11 tragedies, plus Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's call for the US to outline circumstances under which it would use force to try and halt Iran's nuclear program, are a reminder that unexpected events can roil a race for the White House.

Candidates can refine their economic messages, poll-test key words about leadership, and allocate attack ad dollars with precision, but at the end of the day events are in the saddle and ride mankind.

IN PICTURES: Libya conflict

"The embassy assaults are a sobering reminder not only of the deep anger and dysfunction that plagues the broader Middle East, but of the enormous difficulty the United States has in dealing with this part of the world," wrote Blake Hounshell, managing editor of Foreign Policy magazine, on Wednesday morning. "The level of distrust and fury toward America is not the sort of thing you heal with a speech or two."

President Obama on Wednesday made a brief statement in the Rose Garden condemning the attacks and praising the late Ambassador Stevens. "There is absolutely no justification to this kind of senseless violence, none," said Obama, adding that "it is especially tragic that [Stevens] died in Benghazi because it is a city he helped to save."

Meanwhile, GOP challenger Mitt Romney at a Wednesday press conference doubled down on earlier criticism of the administration's Middle East policies. He hit at the US embassy in Cairo for issuing a statement that appeared to condemn the US creator of an anti-Muslim film that inflamed an Egyptian mob.

"When our ground [is] being attacked and being breached ... the first response of the United States must be outrage at the breach of the sovereignty of our nation. And apology for America's values is never the right course," said Mr. Romney.

Some conservatives go farther, saying that the attacks are signs of the weakness of Obama's foreign policy leadership and are reminiscent of the events that helped drive another Democratic president, Jimmy Carter, from office.

"Is this 1979?" wrote conservative commentator Ed Morrissey on the Hot Air! web site.

As President Carter abandoned the Shah of Iran, so did Obama abandon Egypt's Hosni Mubarak, wrote Mr. Morrissey. "And once again, we have 'students' assaulting our embassy in the capital, this time Cairo, without so much as an apology from the radical Islamist government now running the nation," he wrote.

But criticizing a sitting US president at a time when American diplomats are dying is a dangerous political game, noted other commentators. Romney's insistence that the US had "apologized" for the anti-Muslim movie appeared to be based on an embassy Twitter message that, among other things, condemned attacks on all faiths, and was issued prior to the attack on the embassy itself, not after. Jumping into this situation, a candidate may appear to be a more forceful leader than the incumbent – or they may look opportunistic and small.

NBC's First Read political site judged Romney's original statement "one of the most over-the-top and (it turns out) incorrect attacks of the general-election campaign."

First Read, co-authored by veteran political reporter Chuck Todd among others, judged the Romney attacks to be news-cycle campaigning that had gone awry. Romney should have waited until all the facts were in, according to this analysis.

"After the facts have come out, last night's Romney statement only feeds the narrative that his campaign is desperate," the analysis concludes.

Even some fellow Republicans are voicing regret over Romney's decision to criticize the administration at this delicate moment.

"They probably should have waited," noted former Sen. John Sununu of New Hampshire in an MSNBC appearance Wednesday.

The politics of foreign policy in the 2012 campaign are complicated. On the one hand, it is an issue that Republicans traditionally have an edge on, as Democrats do with the protection of social programs. But in polls, Obama in particular is rated a stronger foreign policy leader than his opponent.

In a recent Washington Post/ABC News survey of registered voters, 51 percent of respondents said they trusted Obama more to handle international affairs, while 38 percent said they trusted Romney more.

It's possible that Romney's statements are meant, not to win wavering independents, but to rally the Republican faithful. That's Washington Post political blogger Chris Cillizza's take in today's The Fix.

The GOP base has long seen Obama as a weak apologist, and Romney's words appeal to that world view, writes Mr. Cillizza.

But that base is already energized about the election. Romney's approach here could backfire, according to this analysis.

"Romney's approach hands the Obama team an opening to cast the challenger as not ready for the job, someone who jumps to conclusions before all the facts are known," writes Cillizza.


Truba

palestincima je vrhunac gađanje iz Gaze po izraelu...minobacači i modifikovanje rakete
tako da od tenaka i artiljerije nema ništa

ubistvo ambasadora je fakat nešto veliko
pogotovo u libiji i pogotovo na taj datum... i pogotovo kada se zna ko  je bio taj ambasador...glavna veza za svrgavanje gadafija

elem tako ti je to
pomozi sirotu na svoju sramotu

Najjači forum na kojem se osjećam kao kod kuće i gdje uvijek mogu reći što mislim bez posljedica, mada ipak ne bih trebao mnogo pričati...

pokojni Steva

Ima Čivutlend više od jedne granice. Čekam da se "braća" sete ko je film snimio - dao keš.
Jelte, jel' i kod vas petnaes' do pola dvanaes'?

Meho Krljic

Ali dali su kopti, dakle, hrišćani!!!!!!!

No, pustimo to, evo još malo detalja iz Libije:

U.S. ambassador killed after chaotic, hours-long siege 
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Gunfire, a burning building, "heavy, dark smoke" that separated Chris Stevens, the late U.S. ambassador to Libya, from a security officer: American officials painted a harrowing picture late Wednesday of the assault on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi that left the widely respected diplomat and three others dead. The officials, speaking to reporters on a conference call arranged by the State Department, shared what they readily acknowledged were incomplete details subject to change as a clearer picture emerges from the bloody raid.
The early details sketch out a chaotic situation in which apparently outgunned U.S. and Libyan security personnel fought for hours to retake the diplomatic compound in the eastern Libyan city from unknown gunmen and lost the ambassador. The account was provided to reporters on the condition that the officials giving it not be identified.
At about 10 p.m. local time in Benghazi, the compound housing the American diplomatic mission came under fire "from unidentified Libyan extremists," one of the officials said. Just 15 minutes later, the attackers had breached the perimeter and trained their fire on the main building, setting it ablaze.
Inside were Stevens, a regional security officer and Sean Smith, an information management officer with the State Department who was also killed. (Overall, the compound had about 25 to 30 people in it.)
"They became separated from each other due to the heavy, dark smoke while they were trying to evacuate the burning building," one official said. The security officer and others returned into the burning building to find the ambassador and Smith. "This was really quite a heroic effort."

"At that time, they found Sean. He was already dead, and they pulled him from the building," the official said. "They were unable, however, to locate Chris before they were driven from the building due to the heavy fire and smoke and the continuing small arms fire."
At 10:45 p.m., security personnel tried to retake the main building but were repelled. At 11:20 p.m., U.S. and Libyan security forces were able to retake the main building, evacuating personnel they found there to an annex. That annex came under fire at midnight, an onslaught that lasted two hours and claimed the lives of two more Americans and wounded another two. By 2:30 a.m., Libyan forces helped the Americans to take control.
"At some point in all of this—and frankly, we do not know when—we believe that Ambassador Stevens got out of the building and was taken to a hospital in Benghazi. We do not have any information what his condition was at that time. His body was later returned to U.S. personnel at the Benghazi airport," an official said. "I think it was already dawn in Libya."
"There are reports out there that I cannot confirm that he was brought to the hospital by Libyans who found him," the official said. "Obviously, he had to get there somehow. No Americans were responsible for that."
"We were not able to see him until his body was returned to us at the airport," an official said when asked to confirm whether Stevens died from smoke inhalation. "You can imagine that we will not be able to say anything about the cause of death until we've had a chance to perform an autopsy."
American authorities brought in a chartered aircraft from Tripoli to Benghazi to evacuate all of the Americans to Tripoli. From there, they were evacuated to Germany.
The officials repeatedly ducked questions about Stevens' security arrangements. And they offered no details about the protests that reportedly came before the attack.
But they disputed the notion that he was under-protected.
"There was no information and there were no threat streams to indicate that we were insufficiently postured," one official said.

Zaista je neobično da u jednoj ovako nezgodnoj državi američka diplomatska misija nije imala ozbiljniji bezbednosni protokol. Mislim, dobro, možda nisu očekivali napad ovih razmera, ali... zašto nisu?

I onda prepucavanja između Obame i Romnija, da se ne propuste šanse:

Obama: Romney strategy is 'shoot first and aim later' 
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President Barack Obama finally hit back Wednesday at Mitt Romney's blunt criticisms of his handling of the violence in Egypt and crisis in Libya, accusing the Republican standard-bearer of having a "shoot first and aim later" approach to foreign policy.
At first, Obama, while delivering remarks in the Rose Garden of the White House on Wednesday morning, had stayed above the fray. He declined to engage in the former governor of Massachusetts' inflammatory charge late Tuesday that the administration's "first response" to attacks on American diplomatic missions in Cairo and Benghazi was to "sympathize" with those who killed Americans.
By the afternoon, Obama had taken a different tone, telling "60 Minutes" correspondent Steve Kroft that "Governor Romney seems to have a tendency to shoot first and aim later."
"And as president, one of the things I've learned is you can't do that," Obama said. "That, you know, it's important for you to make sure that the statements that you make are backed up by the facts. And that you've thought through the ramifications before you make 'em."
White House spokesman Jay Carney, speaking to reporters aboard Air Force One, read a longer version of Obama's comments to CBS' "60 Minutes" in which the president sharply condemned Romney's criticisms as out of place in the aftermath of the violence. In Egypt, rioters had stormed the U.S. Embassy in Cairo and tore down its American flag. In Libya, they took the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi in clashes that left four dead, including U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens. Romney accused Obama of apologizing for American values.
"I think most Americans—Democrats or Republicans—understand that there are times when we set politics aside, and one of those is when we've got a direct threat to American personnel who are overseas," Carney read from the full CBS version.
"If you look at how most Republicans have reacted, most elected officials, they've reacted responsibly, waiting to find out the facts before they talk, making sure that our number one priority is the safety and security of American personnel," Carney continued with the quote. "It appears that Governor Romney didn't have his facts right."
Romney's early criticism stemmed from a statement, issued by the U.S. Embassy in Cairo before the protests there escalated, condemning an anti-Islam film that has drawn angry denunciations in the Muslim world. While some linked rage at the movie to the violence in Egypt and Libya, U.S. officials say they are looking into whether the attack in Benghazi was a plot by an organized group.
Obama, read Carney, also told CBS that "the situation in Cairo was one in which an embassy that is being threatened by major protests releases a press release saying that the film that had disturbed so many Muslims around the world wasn't representative of what Americans believe about Islam in an effort to cool the situation down. It didn't come from me. It didn't come from Secretary Clinton. It came from folks on the ground who are potentially in danger.
"And my tendency is to cut those folks a little bit of slack when they're in that circumstance rather than try to question their judgment from the comfort of a campaign office."
In addition, read Carney, "I do have to say that more broadly, we believe in the First Amendment, it is one of the hallmarks of our Constitution that I am sworn to uphold. And so we are always going to uphold the rights for individuals to speak their minds. On the other hand, this film is not representative of who we are and our values, and I think it's important for us to communicate that."
There's "never an excuse for violence against Americans, which is why my number one priority and my initial statement focused on making sure that not only are Americans safe, but that we go after anybody, who would attack Americans," the spokesman quoted Obama as saying.
As to whether Romney's comments were irresponsible, Obama said, "I'll let the American people judge that."

Dakle, Obama je Tadića  Romni je... Šešelj? Vuk iz 1991. godine? Mirko Faking Jović?

pokojni Steva

"Bacile, 52, told the newspaper that to make the film, he had raised $5 million from about 100 Jewish donors, who he declined to identify. He said he made the two-hour movie over a three-month period last year in California, using about 60 actors and 45 crew members, the Journal reported".


http://edition.cnn.com/2012/09/11/world/meast/egpyt-us-embassy-protests/index.html


Da dobrog li imena.
Jelte, jel' i kod vas petnaes' do pola dvanaes'?

Meho Krljic

Aha, dakle, onaj Sadek je samo promovisao film, nije ga finansirao? OK.

pokojni Steva

Jelte, jel' i kod vas petnaes' do pola dvanaes'?

Джон Рейнольдс

Мени је ипак омиљени Бахреин. Тамо ове што протестују сатру у року од одма', али медији мало о томе извештавају, нити се појављују "устаници" као у Либији и Сирији. Што ли, мајку му...  :lol:
America can't protect you, Allah can't protect you... And the KGB is everywhere.

#Τζούτσε