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Donnie Darko, ili sta je dobar savremeni film

Started by Lurd, 07-02-2003, 16:18:53

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Milosh

Pogledao sam S. Darko. Prilično loš film. Doduše, lep je za oko i uho (Heaven and Las Vegas ovde ima ulogu Mad Worlda na kraju) i u tom smislu sasvim gledljiv. Daveigh Chase je isto jedan od pluseva. Međutim, S. Darko je u suštini ono za šta su mnogi optuživali originalni film (za koji ja i dalje mislim da je izuzetan, i idejno i čisto filmski) tj. jedan lepo upakovani blef. Neko je očigledno pogledao Donija Darka (verovatno više puta) i nije shvatio ništa, ali je ubedio sebe da je shvatio čak i neke stvari kojih u tom filmu nema, a onda je snimio film o tom svom neshvatanju i sve to upakovao u glazuru koja je štreberski prepisana od prvog filma do najsitnijih referenci - od detalja u zapletu, preko konkretnih rečenica, sličnih likova, rediteljskih postupaka, slične stilizacije, upotrebe muzike, pa sve do vizuelnih efekata i nekih pokušaja simbolike, a sve je to nabacano bez reda i smisla i uz ozbiljno kretensku završnicu. Kad kultni filmovi, a naročito ovi noviji koji postanu instant-kult, dobiju nastavak to se lako može pretvoriti u nehotičnu parodiju; no, predmet te nenamerne parodije ovde nije originalni film koliko ta čitava fama koja se oko njega stvorila. Ipak, film vredi pogledati čisto kurioziteta radi. 2
"Ernest Hemingway once wrote: "The world is a fine place and worth fighting for." I agree with the second part."

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Ghoul

vern je odgledo ovaj nebitni, nepotrebni nastavak i reko ono što je svima bilo jasno i bez gledanja.
ovo potvrđuje moje slutnje za koje – kad je s. darko u pitanju- ionako ne treba biti roket sajentist.
ukratko, s. darko sucks.
nadugačko – evo:

Hey everybody,
Vern here. I have been known to review a DTV sequel or two, so somebody requested I report on the quality of S. DARKO: A DONNIE DARKO TALE, available on the DVD as of today. So don't ever say I didn't give back to the community.
It's been a while, but if I remember my DONNIE DARKO right, a bunch of weird shit was going down with a bunny man and hallucinations and mysteries and what not, so there was time travel and apocalyptical type shit, turned out the bunny was a dude in a Halloween costume that got hit by a car, Donnie was killed by a plane engine landing on his house, trippiness, etc.
End of story, right? Wrong! Not unless you ignore the crucial events that occurred in July 1995 in Utah to Donnie's younger sister Samantha, better known in titles as S.
IMDb informs us that S. was played in the original by D. Chase, who was also the scary little girl in the American version of THE RING and the voice of Disney's Lilo. Chase returns in S. DARKO as a pretty 19 year old. She and her sassy best friend are on a rebellious road trip of sisterhood when their car breaks down in the middle of nowhere. They get help from a local bad boy who keeps his smokes rolled into his sleeve even though his t-shirt has a pocket in the front. That's how you know this guy could fix a car. It's gonna take a few days though so they check into a hotel run by indie stalwart J. Hawkes.
What the fuck is a stalwart anyway, not sure how I ended up using the word stalwart. I would like to give a shoutout to all you stalwarts reading this.
Like in her brother D. Darko's tale, S. Darko's involves a countdown to doom and some weird shit and/or quirky characters. There's a nerd who's turning monstrous from touching a strange meteorite, a crazed Desert Storm veteran who the locals all fear, a possibly pervy youth minister who passes out a book called "Jesusonomy" and still hangs out at his church after it gets burned down, and a mystery of some missing kids. Also E. Berkley from SHOWGIRLS is in there but I didn't realize it was her.
There's some weird dream imagery including a phallic CGI ABYSS tentacle (those were in the first one, right? Can't remember for sure) and a glowing feather she pulls out of the TV during an infomercial for the G. Foreman grill. Not sure what the fuck that means, but I'll go ahead and count it as a nice touch.
It's funny, usually you gotta assume it's a bad idea to make a sequel without the input of whoever made the original. But I think R. Kelly is a special case. D. DARKO was a movie that seemed refreshing and original at the time, or to some youths seemed like the greatest movie ever made, projected directly from God's beaming eyes onto the side of a magical cloud. Anyway it was pretty good at the time so it was fair to expect interesting things from this director. Instead he wrote god damn DOMINO and set a new world record for self indulgent messes with SOUTHLAND TALES. So I'm sure they high fived and broke out the champagne when he said he didn't want to do a sequel.
The director they got is C. Fisher, who did some TV episodes, a couple serial killer movies and the C. Gooding Jr. movie DIRTY. The writer is N. Atkins, best known as assistant sound editor on T. Hooper's THE TOOLBOX MURDERS. They must've done thorough background checks and everything because they found two guys completely innocent of working on DOMINO or SOUTHLAND TALES. I gotta respect them for that, but unfortunately they can't overcome the fact that there's no reason to make this sequel. The only way to make it seem like a sequel to DARKO is to imitate the original, but the only reason anybody liked the original is because they hadn't really seen anything exactly like that before. So a sequel is self-defeating.
That said, these guys make a better attempt than you'd think they would. For the most part it doesn't feel like a cut rate DARKO, the production value is pretty good. The cast is good, the cinematography is good, they capture the gloomy mood pretty good. Lots of slo-mo and musical montages. There's a guy who builds a metal version of the bunny mask, one that actually hurts his head when he puts it on. The explanation for why he'd make a mask like that sort of makes sense, but it still feels like your typical sequel stretching to bring back familiar elements from part 1. There's some ambiguousness here but I think also some sloppy storytelling that made me understand what was going on even less than I was supposed to. There's also not as much humor as in part 1, and 100% less P. Swayze.
I did think a couple things were clever though, so I might as well spoil them.
1). Many movies have a lead who's having some mysterious character appear to them in dreams or hallucinations to pass on some kind of cryptic message. In this movie it's the other way around, the lead (S. Darko) keeps appearing in the visions of the mysterious character (the aforementioned vet, Iraq Jack).
2). In kind of a PSYCHO type surprise, S. Darko gets killed in a sudden car accident, and the movie becomes about her friend. But her friend feels bad about mean things she said to S. right before her death so she figures out a trippy way to travel back in time and sacrifice herself in place of S. So then S. is alive and it becomes about her again. Janet Leigh never got to do a double switcheroo like that.
Still, I would not really recommend this movie, it's an unnecessary rehash. But if you insist on watching it for some reason it's really not that bad. It's definitely not one of the all time classic DTV sequels like UNDISPUTED II or FROM DUSK TILL DAWN 2, but it's way better than an embarrassment like a CANDYMAN 3 and a step above a mediocrity like HOLLOW MAN 2 I'd say.
Maybe it's a masterpiece if you read the prequel comics though.
If they decide to do part 3 I hope they get further away from the type of story told in part 1. Maybe it could be called DARKO 3: DARKSQUAD. S. Darko is still travelling the country, now on a souped-up jet-engine motorcycle and with a helmet shaped like a sleeker version of the bunny mask. She's found out that the time travel secrets have fallen into the wrong hands so she leads a team of Timecops fighting Timecrimes. There are a bunch of matrixy fights where they swing their ABYSS tentacles at each other and slap them together like big floppy swords. Then it flashes a bunch of weird images and formulas and it's all trippy and etc.
Just one possible approach. Anyway thanks Ain't It Cool,
your friend
Vern

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Tex Murphy

Zaboravio sam da spomenem da je glavna mana Donija to što u njemu igra ona nesretna Dru Berimor, đavo je odnio. Više liči na porno glumicu nego na profesoricu engleskog. I kakva je to glupača koja sa sobom tegli američku prokletu zastavu?
Svjestan sam da je ona jedan od producenata filma i sve to. Srećom, njena uloga je milosrdno kratka i nije upropastila čitav film.
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RedSonja

dru barimur flešz dejv leterman
meni se dopala dru na ovom filmu
ja bih umela da cenim takvu profesorku engleskog

mnogo manje volim glavnog najglavnijeg glumca
pitali su ga jednom je l je nosio sandale u princu persije a  on je dobio bruh koliko se smejao, smejuljio i zacenjivao  i reko SANDALE?!?! U PRiINCU PERSIJE?!?! O MOJ BOŽE NE! nisam nosio sandale, no sandals for me in this movie ihihihi hihi  ihhiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii   :oops:
nisam nosio sandale, princ persije se šeta u štulama i martinkama /rolajz

doni darko je donekle zanimljiv film, ali za nas obične filmoljupce to je jedan  od onih filmova što
ako bi te prekinuo požar koji je izbio ili otac zato što je reko četri ujutru je marš u krevet ili san ako bi te prekinuo
u gledanju ovog filma
onda pomisliš sutradan : aha da, onaj šizofreničar i neki latinolukalajk hensom što nosi kostim zekonje, i kao neka dečija pornografija da da , zaspao sam, ma i nije grdna šteta, neću to dovršiti, posle toga u raspoloženju sam da uzmem glengarry glen ross radije, more uzeću i dick tracy, šta sad


Tex Murphy

Мех. У вријеме кад сам погледао овај филм мислио сам да је то практично нешто најгенијалније на свијету. "ЗОМГ, пази чоек са маском зеца, пут кроз вријеме, дијалози бременити дууууууууууууууууубином и филозофичношћу, па може ли боље од овога???!?!?!?!!?!?!?" Реално гледано, у питању је тежак гилти плежер који тешко да је имало паметнији од Соутхланд Талес, мада му се мора признати да је ђаволски забаван и да те некако током гледања увјери да гледаш нешто феноменално. И мени је ту Џиленхол фантастичан, колко год каснијим улогама (оправдано) постао предмет спрдње. И читава она сцена у кину кад гледају Ивил Дед, па се појави Френк, па нешто кењају, па му овај каже да скине маску, а у позадини иде (чини ми се) Аве Марија - па сама та сцена је њортз оф тхе прице оф тхе адмиссион.
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Quote from: Харвестер on 27-05-2009, 03:58:06
Zaboravio sam da spomenem da je glavna mana Donija to što u njemu igra ona nesretna Dru Berimor, đavo je odnio. Više liči na porno glumicu nego na profesoricu engleskog. I kakva je to glupača koja sa sobom tegli američku prokletu zastavu?

Glupane, takav je scenario, a ne Dru.

Tex Murphy

Quote from: D. on 19-05-2012, 02:31:05
Quote from: Харвестер on 27-05-2009, 03:58:06
Zaboravio sam da spomenem da je glavna mana Donija to što u njemu igra ona nesretna Dru Berimor, đavo je odnio. Više liči na porno glumicu nego na profesoricu engleskog. I kakva je to glupača koja sa sobom tegli američku prokletu zastavu?

Glupane, takav je scenario, a ne Dru.

Бојим се да те ништа нисам питао.
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Josephine

Jel? A što misliš da ti možeš da govoriš kada nisi upitan, a ja ne mogu?

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Quote from: Харвестер on 19-05-2012, 02:30:29
њортз оф тхе прице оф тхе адмиссион.
ALT + Shift, за брзо мењање језичке тастатуре, више пута сам видео овакве урнебесности од тебе : )))

mac

On to namerno. Misli ako je njemu zabavno da je i ostalima.

Josephine

Pa, neke fore u Banja Luku stižu sporije...

Tex Murphy

Quote from: D. on 19-05-2012, 02:58:58
Jel? A što misliš da ti možeš da govoriš kada nisi upitan, a ja ne mogu?

Зато што си женско.
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mac

Njemu nije važno šta si ti sebi, nego šta si ti njemu. A on ne mora sebi ništa da dokazuje  8-)

Josephine

Ne, on to mora da dokaže u situaciji u kojoj smo. A mi smo online, tu polovi gube važnost koju im ljudi pridaju u stvarnosti. Ovde svako može da se predstavlja kako želi. Dakle, kada me kvalifikuje kao žensko na forumu, i tako se određuje prema meni, to mora da dokaže jer neko drugi bi ovo mogao da piše umesto mene. I da pritom ima taj nekakav "penis".  8)


Josephine

Online, rezultat bi ladno mogao da bude i 10.  :lol:

Tex Murphy

Ал сте се бацили у филозофирање... Једино ХАЛ је био конкретан, са шорткатом (да не кажем схортцутом) за промјену језика.
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Джон Рейнольдс

Quote from: mac on 19-05-2012, 10:01:20
On to namerno. Misli ako je njemu zabavno da je i ostalima.

Заправо, мислим да је то сјајан начин да се скрене пажња на бесмисленост нетранскрибовања имена, рецимо, као и непотребно коришћење страних речи. Више пута сам овде спомињао натпис на излогу "Бенетонове" радње где је писало - "Sale". Који бре Сале? И зато...

Ћирилицом против шабанерије! Удри Харви!  :lol:
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Драго ми је да бар од неког имам подршку да се ИЗРАЗИМ!!!!!!11 Ово стално шиканирање је већ прерасло у константно... шиканирање.
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Джон Рейнольдс

Хе симплѕ неедс то еџпресс химхелф. Бе толерант, пеопле!  :lol:
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Tex Murphy

Quote from: Ghoul on 20-05-2012, 01:40:45
imaš i Гхоул'с сеал оф аппровал!

Цоол! И њоулд'ве гивен АНЗТХИНГ фор а Гхоул'с сеал оф аппровал!!!
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Quote from: Харвестер on 20-05-2012, 01:47:35
Quote from: Ghoul on 20-05-2012, 01:40:45
imaš i Гхоул'с сеал оф аппровал!

Цоол! И њоулд'ве гивен АНЗТХИНГ фор а Гхоул'с сеал оф аппровал!!!

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Tex Murphy

Quote from: Ghoul on 20-05-2012, 01:52:17
Quote from: Харвестер on 20-05-2012, 01:47:35
Quote from: Ghoul on 20-05-2012, 01:40:45
imaš i Гхоул'с сеал оф аппровал!

Цоол! И њоулд'ве гивен АНЗТХИНГ фор а Гхоул'с сеал оф аппровал!!!

инцлудинг yоур ПЛАYБОY цоллецтион?

Дет из НЕГОУШИЈЕБЛ!
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Josephine

Sve puca od gej ljubavi na ovom topiku.  8-)