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Ghoul

tačno sam znao da ova lilit radi protiv srbije, ali tek sad vidim dokaz crno na belo!!!


ЕКСЛУЗИВНО: Велеиздајничка власт продала институт Торлак Новартису иза леђа читавој Србији



Сазнајемо: пре само неколико дана, наша држава донела је одлуку и то ће званично и бити објављено за пар дана да је ТОРЛАК – Институт за Вирусологију и Серуме, више није у рукама Србије.

ПРОДАТ ЈЕ ПРИВАТНОЈ КОМПАНИЈИ А ТА ИСТА КОМПАНИЈА ЈЕ ЗАБРАНИЛА ПРОИЗВОДЊУ БИЛО КОЈЕ ДОМАЋЕ ВАКЦИНЕ КАО И СЕРУМА. ( од сада је само дозвољен увоз из страних земаља )

ТАКОЂЕ СУ ФАРМАЦЕУТСКОЈ КОМПАНИЈИ ,,ГАЛЕНИКА" – ЗАБРАНИЛИ ПРОИЗВОДЊУ ПЕНИЦИЛИНА ( за сада из непознатих разлога ).

ИНСТИТУТ ЗА ВИРУСОЛОГИЈУ И СЕРУМЕ – ТОРЛАК, ЈЕ ЗВАНИЧНО ПРОДАТ КОМПАНИЈИ НОВАРТИС.

Новартис је тражио 2012 године од Владе Србије и Министарства Здравља Србије, правно изузеће од могућих тужби, уколико ВАКЦИНЕ проузрокују штету на људима.

Новартис је добио правну гаранцију, а народ остао сам да се бори за себе !!!

А да би ова вест била још гора, Торлак/Новартис већ 6 месеци заједно са Министарством Здравља, ради на новом пројекту...ДНК ВАКЦИНЕ – ТРЕЋЕ ГЕНЕРАЦИЈЕ ТЈ. ГЕНЕТСКИ МОДИФИКОВАНЕ ВАКЦИНЕ.
С обзиром на то да је Торлак продат компанији Новартис, ФИТОФАРМАЦИЈИ ГАЛЕНИКА из Србије, је добила забрану на производњу пеницилина.

И од 2013 године, можемо само да увозимо Пеницилин из страних земаља или да купујемо и потражујемо количине од Новартиса.


http://www.srbijadanas.net/eksluzivno-veleizdajnicka-vlast-prodala-institut-torlak-novartisu-iza-ledja-citavoj-srbiji/
https://ljudska_splacina.com/

lilit

ahahahah: Торлак/Новартис већ 6 месеци заједно са Министарством Здравља, ради на новом пројекту...ДНК ВАКЦИНЕ – ТРЕЋЕ ГЕНЕРАЦИЈЕ ТЈ. ГЕНЕТСКИ МОДИФИКОВАНЕ ВАКЦИНЕ.

torlak nije u stanju da proizvede vakcine koje je proizvodio pre 30 godina a sve će da proizvodi dnk vakcine. ovo mora da je neki njuz.
a novartis i kupovina? ahahah. vic jbt.
That's how it is with people. Nobody cares how it works as long as it works.

Ghoul

Quote from: lilit on 23-02-2014, 22:44:37
ahahahah: Торлак/Новартис већ 6 месеци заједно са Министарством Здравља, ради на новом пројекту...ДНК ВАКЦИНЕ – ТРЕЋЕ ГЕНЕРАЦИЈЕ ТЈ. ГЕНЕТСКИ МОДИФИКОВАНЕ ВАКЦИНЕ.

torlak nije u stanju da proizvede vakcine koje je proizvodio pre 30 godina a sve će da proizvodi dnk vakcine. ovo mora da je neki njuz.
a novartis i kupovina? ahahah. vic jbt.


aha.

to isto bi rekla i mata hari da su je optužili za špijunažu!
https://ljudska_splacina.com/

lilit

ah! shvatiću ovo ko kompliment!  xremyb
That's how it is with people. Nobody cares how it works as long as it works.

Alexdelarge

Quote from: lilit on 23-02-2014, 22:44:37


torlak nije u stanju da proizvede vakcine koje je proizvodio pre 30 godina a sve će da proizvodi dnk vakcine. ovo mora da je neki njuz.
a novartis i kupovina? ahahah. vic jbt.

istina je da su nesposobni. još 2002. god. su mi pustili krv da bi utvrdili da li imam koksaki virus i do dana današnjeg mi nisu poslali rezultate, tako da ne znam da li sam bolestan ili sam zdrav.
moj se postupak čitanja sastoji u visokoobdarenom prelistavanju.

srpski film je remek-delo koje treba da dobije sve prve nagrade.

lilit

da li si zdrav, to ne bih da procenjujem :lol: al ako hoćeš da proverim imaš li koksaki, šalji ime na pp.
That's how it is with people. Nobody cares how it works as long as it works.

Ghoul

https://ljudska_splacina.com/

Alexdelarge

Quote from: lilit on 24-02-2014, 01:09:36
al ako hoćeš da proverim imaš li koksaki, šalji ime na pp.

neću, hvala ti. više volim da živim u neznanju.
moj se postupak čitanja sastoji u visokoobdarenom prelistavanju.

srpski film je remek-delo koje treba da dobije sve prve nagrade.

Tex Murphy

Genetski četnik

Novi smakosvjetovni blog!

Mica Milovanovic

Doktor dao dijagnozu...  :)
Mica

lilit

That's how it is with people. Nobody cares how it works as long as it works.

Meho Krljic


tomat

je l bilo ovo?

http://www.b92.net/zdravlje/vesti.php?yyyy=2014&mm=02&nav_id=815696

sad, ne znam šta bih rekao oko ovog novčanog kažnjavanja, ali su neki od komentara zaista neprocenjivi.
Arguing on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics: even if you win, you're still retarded.

Meho Krljic

Ovo je cela mudrost u vezi sa vakcinom, čini mi se:


Quoteobavezna vakcinacija nosi vakcinu protiv bolesti koje su vrlo ozbiljne i mnogo je veći rizik od obolevanja nego od vakcinacije.




Dakle, da, rizik od autizma ili već čega postoji ali je višestruko niži od rizika kome će dete biti izloženo ako se ne vakciniše.

mac

Ali da li postoji rizik od autizma?

Meho Krljic

Trenutno medicinsko stanovište je da ne postoji: http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/autism/

Ali to je, da kažemo, u idealnom slučaju, kad znaš šta je unutra i znaš od koga si kupio itd. Tako da ne treba odbaciti olako mogućnost da veze ima.

mac

FUD je upravo kao bolest koju moramo da iskorenimo. Dakle svi moraju da se pelcuju protiv FUDa, a ne samo oni koji na FUD nisu imuni.

Meho Krljic

Amin, naravno.

Opet, teško je to iskoreniti tek tako, pošto se, kao i svuda, radi o pitanju verovanja, radije nego o pitanju racionalnog zaključivanja na osnovu proverljivih dokaza. Uvek će ljudi reći "ali, BIG PHARMA su platili da se takvi rezultati vode kao zvanični" itd. Mislim da je korisnije ukazivati na objektivno proverljive rezultate u kojima od početka vakcinacije actually pada broj smrti od raznih bolesti i uporediti sa tim broj porasta slučajeva autizma.

Albedo 0

pa jel postoje takvi rezultati?

Meho Krljic

Sigurno da postoje.

Albedo 0

pa sad, problem sa tim je isti kao i kod bilo kod drugog poređenja

npr, ljudi danas imaju viši holesterol nego prije 100 godina

odakle mi to znamo kada je malo ko mjerio holesterol tada

kako dijagnozirati autistične ljude prije nekoliko decenija, kad i za Spilberga govore da je autističan

meni se čini kako god okreneš imaćeš veći broj autističnih sada, jer je i brojanje efikasnije sada

Meho Krljic

Sasvim fer poenta, naravno, ali je i dalje moguće porediti broj autističnih u populaciji vakcinisanih i uporediti ga sa brojem onih koji su umirali od partikularne bolesti pre vakcine i doći do razumnog zaključka, čak i ako čvrsto veruješ da vakcina zaista može da izazove autizam.

A ne govore za Spilberga da je autističan, on ima autističnog sina iz prvog braka, koliko se sećam.

Albedo 0

pa evo gugl pripisuje baš Spilbergu lično Aspergerov sindrom

štaviše, sindrom navodno objašnjava i njegov uspjeh kao reditelja, i slično

dakle, govore za Spilberga da je autističan, mada ne mogu da nađem neku zvaničnu potvrdu toga

Meho Krljic

Ma, Aspergerov sindrom... pa to stvarno niko ozbiljan ne računa. Mislim, da se razumemo, siguran sam da actually postoje ljudi koji imaju Aspergerov sindrom - čija bi primarna karakteristika trebalo da bude to da ne razumeš neverbalne komunikacione signale, dakle, ne čitaš mimiku i izraze lica - ali pošto je ovo sindrom koji je "self-diagnosed", ti ljudi se gube u masi asocijalnih tinejdžera i mladih odraslih koji su se ubedili da boluju od bolesti da bi im bilo lakše što ih mrzi da mrdnu dupe.

Ili bar tako tvrdi enciklopedija dramatika...

Albedo 0

wiki ukazuje na još neke karakteristike, fizičke i mentalne, npr nedostatak empatije, što je vrlo zanimljivo ako se odnosi na Spilberga. Uostalom, its hard to get along with ''normal'' people, ne vjerujem da je baš banja družiti se s Aspergerijancem, iako sigurno postoje teže vrste autizma

anyway, eo još jedne zanimljivosti

According to the Adult Asperger Assessment (AAA) diagnostic test, a lack of interest in fiction and a positive preference towards non-fiction is common among adults with AS


Meho Krljic

Pa.. po tom kriterijumu i ja sam aspi. Da ne pominjem pomanjkanje empatije koja je za mene samo akademski koncept.

tomat

Geri Numan ima Ass-burgers, i kaže da mu to otežava interakciju sa ljudima, pa ga smatraju arogantnim. kaže da je blaža varijanta u pitanju, i da nikada nije zvanično medicinski dijagnostifikovana.

sad, ne znam koliko " lack of interest in fiction and a positive preference towards non-fiction" ide uz Gerija, ako se uzmu u obzir, recimo, nazivi njegovih albuma.
Arguing on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics: even if you win, you're still retarded.

lilit

sve to naravno ima veze sa vakcinacijom kao sa snegom u junu, al ok, mehan će odmah da grakne da sam biased. :lol:
That's how it is with people. Nobody cares how it works as long as it works.

Albedo 0

Quote from: Meho Krljic on 25-02-2014, 20:30:40
Pa.. po tom kriterijumu i ja sam aspi. Da ne pominjem pomanjkanje empatije koja je za mene samo akademski koncept.

pliz, šta je onda empatija za Bobana? 8-)


lilit

Sladjana Velkov je neko kome ja ni mačku ne bih poverila, a kamoli je konsultovala za nešto od suštinske važnosti.

Btw, "novinarski" tekst je pogrešan on so many ways ako pričamo o imunologiji da mi ni 3 dana pisanja ne bi bilo dovoljno da se rešim frustracije. Jbt, ko ovo žutilo štampa?
I najcrnje, neka deca stvarno mogu da najebu jer roditelji ovo mogu da shvate ozbiljno.
That's how it is with people. Nobody cares how it works as long as it works.

džin tonik

posteno, ovo je stvarno posteno:

"... Zatražite od liječnika koji daje djetetu cjepivo da potpiše izjavu da prihvaća kaznenu i materijalnu odgovornost za sve negativne posljedice cijepljenja. ... Ovdje se radi o životu i smrti... Brojna istraživanja dokazuju tvrdnje dr. Slađane Velkov..."

mac

E pa onda doktor treba da dobije i otplatu za svaku godinu koju čovek poživi, do kraja života. Ne može kazna bez nagrade.

džin tonik

mislis prEzivi, da, ima i tih. sto ne? taman za cigarete u nekom zatvoru.

Meho Krljic

I eto ti ga sad:


Pro-vaccination efforts, debunking autism myths may be scaring wary parents from shots

QuoteVaccines are doing their jobs preventing disease and death, and even bringing down societal costs, according to a new study in Pediatrics.

But another study, published in the same journal issue, found that public health campaigns touting vaccines' effectiveness and debunking the links between autism and other health risks might actually be backfiring, and convincing parents to skip the shots for their kids.



"Corrections of misperceptions about controversial issues like vaccines may be counterproductive in some populations," wrote the researchers behind one of the studies, led by Dr. Brendan Nyhan, a health care researcher at Dartmouth College in Hanover N.H. "The best response to false beliefs is not necessarily providing correct information."
Both studies were published in the March 3 issue of Pediatrics.
For the study looking at economic impact of vaccines, researchers looked at data on vaccination and disease rates collected from 2005 to 2009, and found following the current childhood immunization schedule prevented 20 million cases of disease, about 42,000 deaths and saved billions of dollars in medical and other  societal costs.
The study looked at nine recommended childhood vaccines excluding the flu shot: diphtheria and tetanus toxoids and acellular pertussis (DTaP), Haemophilus influenzae type b conjugate (Hib), polio, measles/mumps/rubella (MMR), hepatitis B, chickenpox, pneumococcal vaccine, hepatitis A and rotavirus vaccines.
The CDC created a schedule for these vaccines that should be followed from the child's birth to when he or she are 6 years old.


The researchers found the vaccines reduced direct medical costs by $13.5 billion, including money spent to treat infections and disease complications. The overall societal costs -- which included supplies and special education for children disabled by diseases, and productivity losses caused by premature death -- totaled $68.8 billion.
For every dollar spent on childhood vaccines, at least $10 in societal costs were saved. 
"The increased number of vaccines incorporated into the early childhood schedule has raised questions about the value of the vaccination series," wrote the study's authors, led by Dr. Fangjun Zhou, a researcher at the National Immunization Services Division of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in Atlanta. "The vaccines currently recommended for young children represent not only a major public health victory in terms of disease prevention, but also an excellent public health 'buy' in terms of dollars and cents."
However, childhood vaccinations have been a controversial topic for many parents, despite science showing they are safe and effective at preventing diseases.
The CDC warned in December that once-eliminated measles is back in elevated numbers -- about 175 cases in 2013, compared to the typical 60 each year. Anti-vaccination beliefs were suspected to be behind the rate increases, including an oft-debunked link perpetuated by a British researcher whose since-retracted study found a link between the MMR vaccine and autism risk.


"Clusters of people with like-minded beliefs leading them to forgo vaccines can leave them susceptible to outbreaks when measles is imported from elsewhere," Dr. Anne Schuchat, director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, said in September 2013.
Rates of whooping cough, which is vaccinated against starting adolescence, have also risen in recent years.
But, a dose of evidence-based medicine doesn't seem to be convincing some parents to get their kids vaccinated.
To find out why, Nyhan and his team conducted a trial and exposed parents to one of four different campaigns promoting the MMR vaccine based on strategies commonly used by public health officials.
The first campaign attempted to correct misinformation by explaining the lack of evidence that the MMR vaccine causes autism. The second presented information on the risk of measles in text form. The third showed powerful images of children who developed diseases that could be prevented by the MMR vaccine, and the fourth focused on a dramatic story of one infant who almost died of measles.
A control group was given a sheet of text explaining the costs and benefits of bird feeding, completely unrelated to vaccines.
Participants were asked whether they disagreed or agreed that some vaccines cause autism in healthy children, whether children will "suffer serious side effects" from the MMR vaccine, and how likely they would be to give their future child a vaccine.
None of the designed public health messages increased parental intent to get their child vaccinated.

Debunking the claims between the measles vaccine and autism appeared to successfully reduce misperceptions about the shot causing the developmental disorder. But, compared to the group given the bird-feeding fact sheet, they were less likely to commit to vaccinating their future kids, which was especially the case for parents who already had unfavorable attitudes towards vaccines. 
The images of children who had the diseases and the story of a child who almost died from measles actually backfired, increasing the misconception that vaccines cause autism and serious side effects, respectively.
The researchers suspected the CDC debunking the autism claims backfired and got parents to think of other concerns to justify anti-vaccine beliefs. The images and dramatic narrative of sick kids might have backfired by priming parents to think of more dangers and associate them with vaccines.
The study only looked at intention to vaccinate, and not whether or not parents actually got heir kids vaccinated. It's not clear how much their attitudes would match with reality.
But the researchers concluded that the study shows these campaigns have to be tested first among especially resistant groups. Going for a subtle approach instead of scaring parents might be more effective.
"These results suggest the need to carefully test vaccination messaging before making it public," they said.

lilit

:cry:

humankind: napalm solution.
That's how it is with people. Nobody cares how it works as long as it works.

lilit

That's how it is with people. Nobody cares how it works as long as it works.

Tex Murphy

Пих, мизлс... Да је бар БЈЕСНИЛО!
Genetski četnik

Novi smakosvjetovni blog!


scallop

Triper sojevi rade na sopstvenom usavršavanju, a mi mislimo da je sve u pranju. Kad smo bili klinci triper si mogao da dobiješ samo od prljavijeg od tebe. Dobro, malo se zabavljam. Prostiji organizmi lakše mutiraju, sami smo krivi što smo kompikovani.
Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. - Mark Twain.

lilit

apstinencija je ključ. :lol:

btw, meni neisseria gonorrhoeae najblaže rečeno: prelepa!

That's how it is with people. Nobody cares how it works as long as it works.

tomat

hau konvinient, polna bolest pod mikroskopom liči na testise. ili je to samo moj bolesni um?
Arguing on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics: even if you win, you're still retarded.

scallop

Ili tako izgledaju tvoji testisi.
Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. - Mark Twain.

džin tonik

ja ogladnio. lici mi na savrsenu verziju svatovskih kolaca, one breskve.

Karl Rosman

"On really romantic evenings of self, I go salsa dancing with my confusion."
"Well, I've wrestled with reality for 35 years, Doctor, and I'm happy to state I finally won over it"

lilit

Samo gledajte da se ne zagrcnete.
That's how it is with people. Nobody cares how it works as long as it works.

džin tonik

nema straha! u svatove samo kao sporedni likovi!

Karl Rosman

za budalu ima posla i na svadbi!  :!:
"On really romantic evenings of self, I go salsa dancing with my confusion."
"Well, I've wrestled with reality for 35 years, Doctor, and I'm happy to state I finally won over it"

džin tonik

a dobro, ne priznajemo crkvene postavke. safe smo. :lol:

Meho Krljic

Bajotek iz Godzila, kako to reče Dželo Bjafra kroz usne Maksa Kavalere, pr edvadeset godina:

Voracious Worm Evolves to Eat Biotech Corn Engineered to Kill It

QuoteOne of agricultural biotechnology's great success stories may become a cautionary tale of how short-sighted mismanagement can squander the benefits of genetic modification.
After years of predicting it would happen — and after years of having their suggestions largely ignored by companies, farmers and regulators — scientists have documented the rapid evolution of corn rootworms that are resistant to Bt corn.
Until Bt corn was genetically altered to be poisonous to the pests, rootworms used to cause billions of dollars in damage to U.S. crops. Named for the pesticidal toxin-producing Bacillus thuringiensis gene it contains, Bt corn now accounts for three-quarters of the U.S. corn crop. The vulnerability of this corn could be disastrous for farmers and the environment.

"Unless management practices change, it's only going to get worse," said Aaron Gassmann, an Iowa State University entomologist and co-author of a March 17 Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences study describing rootworm resistance. "There needs to be a fundamental change in how the technology is used."
First planted in 1996, Bt corn quickly became hugely popular among U.S. farmers. Within a few years, populations of rootworms and corn borers, another common corn pest, had plummeted across the midwest. Yields rose and farmers reduced their use of conventional insecticides that cause more ecological damage than the Bt toxin.
By the turn of the millennium, however, scientists who study the evolution of insecticide resistance were warning of imminent problems. Any rootworm that could survive Bt exposures would have a wide-open field in which to reproduce; unless the crop was carefully managed, resistance would quickly emerge.
Key to effective management, said the scientists, were refuges set aside and planted with non-Bt corn. Within these fields, rootworms would remain susceptible to the Bt toxin. By mating with any Bt-resistant worms that chanced to evolve in neighboring fields, they'd prevent resistance from building up in the gene pool.
But the scientists' own recommendations — an advisory panel convened in 2002 by the EPA suggested that a full 50 percent of each corn farmer's fields be devoted to these non-Bt refuges — were resisted by seed companies and eventually the EPA itself, which set voluntary refuge guidelines at between 5 and 20 percent. Many farmers didn't even follow those recommendations.
Fast forward to 2009, when Gassmann responded to reports of extensive rootworm damage in Bt cornfields in northeast Iowa. Populations there had become resistant to one of the three Bt corn varieties. (Each variety produces a different type of Bt toxin.) He described that resistance in a 2011 study; around the same time, reports of rootworm-damaged Bt corn came in from parts of Illinois, Minnesota, Nebraska and South Dakota. These didn't represent a single outbreak, but rather the emergence, again and again, of resistance.
In the new paper, Gassmann describes further incidents of Bt resistance in other parts of Iowa. He also found rootworms resistant to a second variety of Bt corn. Moreover, being resistant to one variety heightened the chances of resistance to another. That means corn engineered to produce multiple Bt toxins — so-called stacked varieties — won't do much to slow the evolution of rootworm resistance, as was originally hoped.
Farmers likely won't stop using Bt corn, as it's still effective against other pests — but as rootworms become more resistant, said Gassmann, farmers will turn to insecticides, thus increasing their costs and losing the ecological benefits originally gained by using Bt corn. As entomologists concerned by rootworm resistance wrote to the EPA in 2012, "When insecticides overlay transgenic technology, the economic and environmental advantages of rootworm-­protected corn quickly disappear."
Entomologist Bruce Tabashnik of the University of Arizona called Bt resistance "an increasingly serious problem," and said that refuge sizes need to be increased dramatically and immediately. He and other scientists have pushed the EPA to double current refuge requirements, but so far without success.
"Biotech companies have successfully lobbied EPA for major reductions in refuge requirements," said Tabashnik.
Entomologist Elson Shields of Cornell University agrees. "Resistance was caused because the farmers did not plant the required refuges and the companies did not enforce the planting of refuges," said Shields, who has written that "a widespread increase in trait failure may be just around the corner."
In addition to increasing refuge sizes, farmers also need to vary the crops planted on their fields, rather than planting corn season after season, said Gassmann. Breaks in the corn cycle naturally disrupt rootworm populations, but the approach fell from favor as the high price of corn made continuous planting appealing. "Continuous corn is the perfect habitat for rootworm," said Gassmann.
Shields also lamented the difficulty he and other academic scientists long experienced when trying to study Bt corn. Until 2010, after organized objections by entomologists at major agricultural universities forced seed companies to allow outside researchers to study Bt corn, the crop was largely off-limits. Had that not been the case, said Shields, resistance could have been detected even earlier, and perhaps stalled before it threatened to become such a problem.
"Once we had legal access, resistance was documented in a year," Shields said. "We were seeing failures earlier but were not allowed to test for resistance."
There's a lesson to be learned for future crop traits, Shields said. Rootworm resistance was expected from the outset, but the Bt seed industry, seeking to maximize short-term profits, ignored outside scientists. The next pest-fighting trait "will fall under the same pressure," said Shields, "and the insect will win. Always bet on the insect if there is not a smart deployment of the trait."