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Strašno je da tolika zemlja sa toliko bogatstva tako temeljito ode u kurac jer se oko nje otimaju veće i bogatije zemlje.

та земља је темељно отишла у курац захваљујући корумпираним властима које је имала од распада ссср (некако слично нама)

Jasno, ali nisu se one korumpirale same od sebe, oko njih se više nego oko nas otimaju moćni...

Situacija je malo delikatnija. Kad se države sa planskom privredom raspadaju, onda se dobijaju države sa neuravnoteženom industrijskom i poljoprivrednom proizvodnjom. Resistematizacija je dugotrajna i bolna. To čak nije recept socijalističkih uređenja. Zamislite da se iz SAD izdvoje Kalifornija i Florida. Odjednom nema pomorandži i drugog voća, letovanja na moru postaju daleko skuplja, a i "starački regioni" budu odvojeni od komunikacije sa potomcima. Uporedite i sa proizvodnjom M-84 tenka u SFRJ, sa potencijalom izvoza stotina veoma skupih oklopnih vozila, Cripl je jednom pomenuo spisak od 240 firmi u zemlji kao podproizvođače komponenti, gde odjednom nestane izvoz vredan desetak milijardi dolara. Ma, "Koštana" u Vranju više nije mogla da proizvodi ženske cipele, jer su nestale drvene potpetice.
U Ukrajini je slična situacija, koju dodatno komplikuju nacionalno-politička i verske suprotnosti (kao i kod nas). Lako je podstaći dodatna nezadovoljstva i problem je jedino što je Zapad do sada verovao da na scenario imaju isključivi patent. Ne razumem uverenje da im se primenjeni recepti u svetu jednom neće obiti o glavu.

Ako ništa drugo, barem Fukujama više neće moći da kenja o kraju istorije. Čini se da je Ukrajina preokret koji udara konačan ekser u kovčeg te ideje o ideološkoj uravnilovci po meri liberalne demokratije.

To što su Ukrajina i Moldavija siromašnije od Rusije, Kazahstana, Azerbejdžana i Turkmenistana može se objasniti time
da ljudi danas više vole da voze kola nego hleb da jedu.

Ukrajina nema ni naftu i gas. Jedino što ima je plodna zemlja. Otprilike 10 Vojvodina.
Poljoprivreda bi bila jedini spas.

Međutim u SSSR-u selo je uništeno. Zaživeo je stav - da je za savremenog (20. vek) čoveka degradirajuće da živi na selu
i da se kvalitetan život može voditi samo u gradu.

Urbanosuperiornost kao ideologija najviše je zaživela u bivšeim komunističkim zemljama.
Seljanima ne samo da je oduzimano zemljište nego su postali potcenjeni, omalovažavani.
Poenta mladih ljudi bila je da po svaku cenu pobegnu u grad. Mom dedi sa sela oba sina prebegla su u Beograd.

U svim zemljama SSSR-a većina živi u gradovima. Čak i kad nema šta da se radi, pre će tu da džabalebare nego da odu na selo.

E sad... Rusi, Kazasi, Azeri i Turkmeni to mogu sebi da dopuste jer imaju naftu i gas u ogromnim količinama, pa je Turkmenu litar benzina jeftiniji od kifle pa i kad niko ne proizvodi hranu, oni će da je uvoze od love koju dobiju prodajom energenata.
To Ukrajinci, Moldavci, ali i Srbi ne mogu.


Kad pogledaš prirodnu kartu sveta pa vidiš Ukrajinu, sva se zeleni, pa severnu Srbiju - isto zelena i plodna... pomisliš super,
a onda baciš pogled na Kazahstan, Emirate, Saudi Arabiju, Turkmenistan... sve sama pustinja.
Pomisliš ovima ne može nikako biti bolje nego nama što ze zelenimo, al' prc!

Savremenicima ispade bitnije da voze kola i da se greju, nego da brinu jedu li zdrava testa, voće, povrće...
Milion srpskih seljaka sa isto toliko krava, koza, ovaca i plodnih oranica, ne može da zaradi kolko neki Arapin ili centralnoazijac koji na imanju nađe neku bušotinu.

Quote from: Loni on 07-04-2014, 12:20:28Zaživeo je stav - da je za savremenog (20. vek) čoveka degradirajuće da živi na selu
i da se kvalitetan život može voditi samo u gradu.

Kvalitetno živeti na selu je skuplje nego u gradu. Šta sve spada u kvalitet života? Pa nisu samo pozorišta i izložbe, nego i tako jednostavne stvari kao što su zdravstvo, obrazovanje, administracija, javni prevoz, razna druga infrastruktura tipa vodovod, kanalizacija, struja, grejanje, pa i što da ne kablovska televizija. Sve je to i jeftinije i kvalitetnije i bolje organizovano u gradu. Stanovnik grada ne mora da zove kamion da mu prazni septičku jamu, ne mora da čeka političare iz grada da mu konačno asfaltiraju put, i ako mu se dete razboli ne mora da putuje 20 km do najbliže bolnice (a i ta najbliža verovatno nije prvi izbor na spisku).

To je sve tačno, ali postoji i druga strana medalje.

- Deca na selu ređe su bolesna (stalno su na čistom vazduhu),
a što se tiče kvaliteta života, ne zaboravimo da samo određen broj ljudi u gradu ima nenaporna zanimanja.

Ako je nekom alternativa da radi i preko 8 sati dnevno za kasom ili da sve vreme samo peče palačinke, pljeskavice, pregleda karte u autobusu itd. daleko je za živce i psihičko zdravlje bolje kao poljoprivrednik i stočar raditi zanimljivije stvari.
Tipa - po buđenju prvo nahraniš životinje,
zatim zaliješ baštu, zatim okopaš jedan red u njivi, pa onda malo maline... pa drugi obrok za životinje... Pa ih po poend malo izvedeš na pašu itd.

Bar je raznovrsnije. Ideš na sto mesta i ne moraš mnogo da se srećeš s ljudima (za mene ništa gore od tog).

A kad dođe zima, niko na selu ništa ne radi osim onog osnovnog hranjenja životinja.
Život bez po muke.

A danas svi imaju tamo i mobilne i internet i kablosvku tv.
Nisu ni sela više ono šta su bila.

Prva strana medalje prevaže u odnosu na drugu stranu medalje. Ljudi nisu glupi. Većina naših postupaka, i većina velikih životnih odluka doneseno je uz premišljanje i pažljivo vaganje. Prednosti grada su očigledne, ali moraš da živiš na selu da bi to znao.

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-26986657

,,Život bez po muke.''
Hm, kad nešto ovako izjaviš, ne mogu da ne pitam-jesi li živeo ikada na selu? Ja jesam.

Quote from: Loni on 07-04-2014, 12:20:28
pa severnu Srbiju - isto zelena i plodna... pomisliš super,

Severnu Srbiju? U, jebote!!!!

eto i da Loni izvali nešto pametno

Ljubim ja njega u tu pamet njegovu nacifranu...

Ahh, pitajte onda mene, kako je, evo ja u provinciji, dve raskrsnice si u gradu, par ulica dalje, do juce ljudi cuvali svinje i kokoske. Da vam kazem situaciju?
Duplo golo i tad i sad...

Евро-мајдански нацисти ударају на Славјанск.

http://rt.com/news/eastern-ukraine-violence-slavyansk-240/

Чисто да и најглупљем буде јасно, Јарош отворено каже да би "званични" органи реда онога што је остало од Украјине требало да помогну нацистичком Десном сектору, тек да се зна хијерархија:

http://rt.com/news/ukraine-nationalist-call-mobilization-184/

У осталим вестима Кери нешто прети Лаврову да Русија мора да повуче трупе с украјинске границе, па онда неко лицемерно тупљење НАТО о томе како Русија заобилази међународну заједницу, итд. Драго ми је што се ситуација у Украјини толико искристалисала да ни прозападне мутиводе више просто не могу да релативизују ствари. Размишљам нешто, било је лакше продавати маглу у причама о Сирији где су Запад и њихови пулени подржавали најгрђе екстремисте; далеко је Сирија и слабо обавештени су гутали шта им се сервира. Међутим, инсигније Десног сектора и Стјепан Бандера су просто сувише очигледни.

Ukrajina tudej: neko u istočnoj Ukrajini deli letke kojima se Židovi pozivaju da se registruju. Naravno, kako i Rusija ume da vodi specijalni rat, nije nemoguće da ovo ne radi neka ekstremistička frakcija Ukrajine već ruska obaveštajna služba. Istorija će bez sumnje pokazati...

http://blog.blic.rs/1197/Ruska-fikcija-jos-deset-laznih-tvrdnji-o-Ukrajini

Komentariši ti bez psovki.

Ова гомила бљувотина је достојно оцијењена са 44 плусева и 188 минуса, што ми помало враћа вјеру у српски народ.

Хаха, тек сад видим да она Милићка ладно као позадину на Твитеру има неку слику Русије Јао каква искомплексирана глупачетина...

Rusija organizuje svetsko prvenstvo u fudbalu 2017 u Lajpcigu.

https://scontent-a-fra.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1.0-9/10300117_752549434777040_1929074216018418990_n.jpg

Rojters ima lepu retrospektivu o tome kako je Amerika gradila i pokvarila svoje odnose sa Putinovom Rusijom>

http://news.yahoo.com/special-report-u-made-putin-problem-worse-110711843.html

I još malo o istoj temi, iz Fiscal Timesa:


How Obama's White House Lost Ukraine in a Few Stupid Steps

QuoteNo one wants to say so, but the Obama administration has backed the wrong horse in Ukraine, and the misguided wager is a big loss. It is hardly the president's first failure on the foreign side, but it may prove the costliest of his many to date.


For a while it was possible to pretend, just barely, that supporting the coup against Viktor Yanukovych, the elected president hounded into exile in February, would prove a sound judgment. Obama always came across as a welterweight in the ring with Vladimir Putin, simply not up to the Russian leader's command of all available moves. But one could imagine Secretary of State Kerry clearing an exit corridor with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov.

For a while it looked as though the provisional government in Kiev might prove worthy of bailout funds from the U.S., the European Union, and the International Monetary Fund, despite the new regime's legitimacy problems. Putin took (back) Crimea and prompted little more than impotent bleating, true. But there was hope that this new bunch could hold together what remained of the nation at least until the elections scheduled for May 25.
It is all by the boards now. Regardless of how you may construe these past six months in Ukraine, we have just watched a failed effort to wrest the nation straight out of Russia's sphere of influence and insert it into the West's. It is now easy to conclude that the second-term Obama White House has not one foreign policy success to its credit and none in prospect. (The first term looks little better, for that matter.)
Egypt, Iraq, Afghanistan, the Mideast, Syria, China, and probably Iran in coming months: Nothing ad hominem here, but figuratively speaking, the failure-prone Kerry has crashed more helicopters in the desert than Jimmy Carter ever ordered airborne.
Success in Ukraine was never in the cards for this administration. But it slipped beyond all grasp late last week, when the provisionals ordered a military operation to quell dissent in the numerous eastern cities where pro–Russian sentiment tends to be strong. Touching and pathetic all at once, an account of the result is worth reading simply as a reality check.


There is no coming back when your soldiers and security forces not only refuse orders once in the east, but volunteer their ammunition, guns, tanks, artillery, and personnel carriers to the locals, saying they have no stomach for the mission. Readers may disagree, but I will never take the provisionals in Kiev as other than the opportunistic imposters I took them to be from the first. The first conclusion here: Kiev should get no money from anyone until a proper government is elected to office.
Next came the agreement Washington, the E.U., Moscow, and the provisionals negotiated in Geneva last Thursday. Instantly it appeared to make even less difference than the little it was first expected to.


Washington immediately complained that Russia refused to call off its operatives in the east, who are supposedly to blame for all the unrest. Three big problems here.

   
• Russia's role is not completely clear, but when there are 40,000 Russian troops stationed around the Eastern perimeter of Ukraine, it gives insurgents a lot of confidence.
• It stretches credibility to suggest that the residents of eastern Ukraine are empty-headed such that Moscow has them all playing the same music without any thought of their own.
• Three, a firefight Sunday at a roadblock in the east almost certainly involved paramilitaries in support of the provisionals. Moscow asserted that they were from Right Sektor, the neo-fascists who rammed the provisionals into power three months back. It is a sad measure of Kiev's credibility, but in any detached judgment the Russians' account cannot be dismissed. If true, it took Kiev three days to breach the Geneva agreement.

Obama took an extraordinary step Saturday, and again there seems no turning back from it. As The New York Times reported, the president has just declared Cold War II, having concluded that there is no working with Putin even if a solution in Ukraine develops.


The project is to "ignore the master of the Kremlin, minimize the disruption Putin can cause," and "effectively make Russia a pariah state." All of this is advanced as position-of-strength imagery and strategy.
It can be read as such only by the gullible. Turn this around and Obama has just announced a pout that amounts to his surrender to a statesman who has boxed his ears in every round.
Apart from this, it is compounding error to bring back the confrontation at the Cold War's core. Just as wrong is NATO's new plan to push its presence as close to Russia's frontiers as it can.
Are we now watching the start of another generation of needless tension and division between Europe and its easterly neighbor? It is the obvious risk as of this past weekend, and it is already evident the economic costs will be formidable: wasteful military and security spending, redundant infrastructure in the hundreds of billions of dollars, opportunity costs that simply cannot be calculated.
Most immediately, Washington and the European allies ought to be reversing course and turning Ukraine into a field of cooperation with Russia by way of a commonly supported bailout devoid of geopolitical motivation. This kind of thinking is now antique idealism, of course—something to hang in a museum. 
A decade and a half into a new century and the place of foreign policy has already shifted. A good one is essential to any nation's well-being in this new era. As things stand now, Ukraine is due to show us the damage a bad one can do.

Putin je objasnio da je Internet "CIA projekat". A Džon Keri mu je na to rekao da lupa gluposti i izdao poslednje upozorenje da Rusija inicira deeskalaciju ukrajinskih događaja ili se suoči sa punim programom ekonomskih sanckija od strane SAD.

Ово им је једно пето по реду посљедње упозорење. Путин би морао да припази, иначе ће још једном посљедњи пут да га упозоре.

Quote from: Harvester on 25-04-2014, 11:40:42
Ово им је једно пето по реду посљедње упозорење. Путин би морао да припази, иначе ће још једном посљедњи пут да га упозоре.

odnosno, kaže putin: "gospodo, ako ne požurimo, ovi amerikanci će nam uputiti još jedno poslednje upozorenje!"

Stvari se zakuvavaju...

http://youtu.be/zopxP1SlDcc

Da.

Explosions, gunships rouse Slavyansk to barricades

Quote

Slavyansk (Ukraine) (AFP) - Loud detonations followed by the clatter of ground-skimming helicopter gunships heralded what the rebels controlling Slavyansk had been warning about for days: a frontal assault by the Ukrainian military. Armoured vehicles and scores of paratroopers quickly moved in, sweeping aside nine outlying insurgent roadblocks and taking up position just at the entry to the town.
But the pro-Russian rebels struck back with unexpected expertise, shooting down two of the Mi-24 helicopters and killing two servicemen on board.
Others set fire to tyres piled up at roadblocks to cloak their retreat, sending dark smoke spewing into the sky.
And, while Slavyansk's church rang its bells under a flapping Russian flag, locals of all ages rushed to build barricades on the streets.
Five trucks were parked across the road leading to the town hall, which is serving as the rebels' headquarters. Side streets were strewn with boarding, planks, branches and furniture.
"We are ready to block the way with our bodies if we need to," said one woman.
The rebels had also parked two armoured personnel carriers they captured last month close to the town hall.
As the morning faded, both sides consolidated their positions. No more clashes took place.
But a storm rolled in over the town -- thunder and dark clouds mimicking on a grander scale the human turmoil of hours earlier.
Slavyansk's self-appointed rebel mayor, Vyacheslav Ponomaryov, issued a video message on a local website, urging women and children to stay indoors, and for "all armed men to help" combat the assault.
"We will defend the town and we will win," said the mayor, dressed in camouflage uniform and wearing a bulletproof vest and helmet.
Another rebel leader, Anatoly Khmelevoy, told AFP that, "for now", there were no losses on the insurgents' side.
However, a spokeswoman for the rebels later told AFP at least one insurgent had been killed and that the number of dead and wounded was likely to rise.
The brief and rough abductions of three teams of Western journalists, working for CBS, Sky News and the online outlet Buzzfeed, were evidence of frayed nerves among the rebels.
Residents were also on edge. Some complained they could no longer find bread, as most shops and banks were shuttered Friday.
But much of the sentiment expressed was pro-Russian.
One local woman declared that, "after what they (the Ukrainian military) have done today, there is only one thing to do: join Russia".

Mislim da je do sada još bilo nade da se stvari zaustave, ali posle onog što se sinoć
desilo u Odesi, bojim se da više nema nazad. Ne miriše ovo na dobro nikako.
Ta razularena stoka iz Desnog sektora nikako nije smela dobiti vlast, puške ni uniforme.

Али то су проевропске снаге! ЕВРОмајдан, друже. Ми томе тежимо, шта је ту неколико мртвих, наживо изгорелих? Ето, читамо већ неко време како у НАТО агресији није погинуло ни хиљаду људи, само осамдесетак деце, шта је то спрам европских интеграција? Ништа! Ситница.

Има одличних - Nervous?, 1956 Anyone?, Men who still use hair gel и наравно - Whiskey sucks!

Drama Queens, dojaja 

Nego bre, kako ja kontam ovaj Putin se zajebava, realno za 2 dana (na motoru) bi mogo da zauzme ne samo istok nego i celu Ukrajinu i da mu niko ništa ne može, al kao glumi hladni rat, folira se, valjda se uželeo, jbmliga, a? 

Ima članak na tu temu:

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Dojaja 

Уместо закључка, подсетио бих вас на три руске пословице:

Русија се не љути, она се усресреди.

Руси дуго седлају коње, али брзо јашу.

Кад једном замахнеш – удри. 

Beč -- "Rusija nema ništa sa obojenim revolucijama, pogotovo što u njima ima tragova nečega smeđeg", izjavio je danas u Beču, na samitu SE, Sergej Lavrov.

Putin zabranio psovanje u Rusiji

Predsednik Ruske Federacije Vladimir Putin potpisao je novi zakon kojim se zabranjuje psovanje u umetnosti, ali i na kulturnim i zabavnim manifestacijama.

Svaki novi film sa psovkama i prostaklukom neće dobiti sertifikat za distribuciju, pa neće biti prikazan u bioskopu.


Knjige, ce-deovi sa filmovima i muzikom koji sadrže psovke, moći će da se prodaju samo u posebnom pakovanju sa natpisom - ,,Sadrži prost jezik".

Kako je prenela agencija Itartas, kazne za psovanje na javnom mestu biće od 70 do 1.400 dolara.

U slučajevima kada ne bude moglo jasno da se utvrdi da li je bilo psovanja, biće formirana nezavisna komisija koja će se izjasniti o tome.


Zakon bi mogao da počne da se primenjuje već od 1. jula, ali se neće odnositi na umetnička dela, filmove i muziku koji su dosad objavljeni.

http://www.rts.rs/page/magazine/sr/story/511/Zanimljivosti/1591505/Putin+zabranio+psovanje+u+Rusiji.html

http://youtu.be/ZjmiyOgO66g

Russia Quietly Tightens Reins on Web With 'Bloggers Law'

MOSCOW — Russia has taken another major step toward restricting its once freewheeling Internet, as President Vladimir V. Putin quietly signed a new law requiring popular online voices to register with the government, a measure that lawyers, Internet pioneers and political activists said Tuesday would give the government a much wider ability to track who said what online.

Mr. Putin's action on Monday, just weeks after he disparaged the Internet as "a special C.I.A. project," borrowed a page from the restrictive Internet playbooks of many governments around the world that have been steadily smothering online freedoms they once tolerated.

itd.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/07/world/europe/russia-quietly-tightens-reins-on-web-with-bloggers-law.html?_r=0

Svinjarija, naravno. Son of Man bi u Rusiji postao medijska kuća, jebote.

prave namere gosn Putina, još jednog kompleksaša s malom kitom

Quote from: D. on 07-05-2014, 17:31:24
prave namere gosn Putina, još jednog kompleksaša s malom kitom

Ти то знаш из искуства?

Ko o čemu, vi o kurčevima, a Forbes tvrdi da su pravi rezultati referenduma o otcijepljenju na Krimu zapravo mnogo manje impresivni od objavljenih cifara. Naravno da je ovo reklakazala priča, ali je makar Forbes neka, kao ripjutabl publikacija, pa na njihovu dušu ide ako je  to što je ovo sve podla propagandna izmišljotina. Naravno, na datom skrinšotu ne piše ovo što piše u Forbesovom tekstu, da bi bilo zanimljivije. Da zaplačeš.

Putin's 'Human Rights Council' Accidentally Posts Real Crimean Election Results

QuoteAs you may recall, the official Crimean election results, as reported widely in the Western press, showed a 97 percent vote in favor of annexation with a turnout of 83 percent. No international observers were allowed. The pro-Russia election pressure would have raised the already weak vote in favor of annexation, of course.

Yesterday, however, according to a major Ukrainian news site, TSN.ua, the website of the President of Russia's Council on Civil Society and Human Rights (shortened to President's Human Rights Council) posted a report that was quickly taken down as if it were toxic radioactive waste. According to this purported report about the March referendum to annex Crimea, the turnout of Crimean voters was only 30 percent. And of these, only half voted for the referendum–meaning only 15 percent of Crimean citizens voted for annexation.
The TSN report does not link to a copy of the cited report. However, there is a report of the Human Rights Council, entitled "Problems of Crimean Residents," still up on the president-sovet.ru website, which discusses the Council's estimates of the results of the March 16 referendum. Quoting from that report: "In Crimea, according to various indicators, 50-60% voted for unification with Russia with a voter turnout (yavka) of 30-50%." This leads to a range of between 15 percent (50% x 30%) and 30 percent (60% x 50%) voting for annexation. The turnout in the Crimean district of Sevastopol, according to the Council, was higher: 50-80%.
The original version, in Russian, and a version clumsily translated by Google, are below:


To make sure no one misses this:
Official Kremlin results: 97 percent of polled voters for annexation, turnout 83 percent, and 82 percent of total Crimean population voting in favor.
President's Human Rights Council mid-point estimate: 55 percent of polled voters for annexation, turnout 40 percent, 22.5 percent of total Crimean population voting in favor.
A member of the Human Rights Council, Svetlana Gannushkina, talked about election fraud on Kanal 24 (as replayed on Ukrainian television), declaring that the Crimean vote "discredited Russia more than could be dreamed up by a foreign agent."
We can debate the extent of fraud in the March 16 referendum, but only the Council's highest estimate just yields the fifty percent turnout ratio normally required for major referendums. What counts is that the Putin regime solemnly announced to the world that 82 percent of the Crimean people voted to join Mother Russia, and many in the West swallowed this whopper. At best, according to Putin's own council, only 30 percent did.
Putin plans to repeat the Crimean election farce in the May 11 referendum on the status of the so-called People's Republic of Donetsk. He will use the same tricks to produce an overwhelming vote for "independence" and a high turnout. The few international election monitors will object, but Putin counts on repetition of his Big Lie to convince his own people and sympathetic politicians and press in the West that the people of east Ukraine actually want to separate from Ukraine.
Will the West let Putin get away with it again?

pa ok, i dalje je procenat veći nego što je bio u Teksasu

Не бих да коментаришем то за резултате, пошто очигледно не можемо да знамо праву истину, али мени тај Форбс изгледа прилично биасед.

Ma, to da je biased nekako ide uz teritoriju. Ali da autor teksta na Forbsu kojim se optužuje određena grupa ljudi da je krivotvorila rezultate referenduma to dokazuje dokumentom koji se uopšte ne odnosi na taj referendum i uopšte ne prikazuje cifre koje se pominju, to je naprosto svinjarija.

ma nema tu šta da se priča, nije što je argument nekompletan, nego što potpuno promašuje metu

zato spomenuh Teksas, pa nije bilo tamo nikakvog referenduma, samo su ga okupirali i oteli Meksikancima

šta oni sad imaju da se žale na to da li je nešto bilo demokratski proces ili ne

Ali to je bilo pre tisuću godina. Znaš kako je onaj sudija rekao Miloševiću kad je krenuo da objašnjava da su na novčanicama u Hrvatskoj osnivači ustaškog pokreta iz devetnaestog veka: "Gospodine Miloševiću, nemojte da se vraćamo toliko u prošlost!" Mi sad živimo u postistorijskom snu Frensisa Fukujame gde je demokratija kriterijum za procenu drugih vrednosti a ne koncept koji se može propitivati. Pa vidiš da su im uvek i argumenti za to da podrže ovaj ili onaj ustanak to da je vlast izgubila legitimitet a ne to što je korumpirana ili okrutna.