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od njega kao pisca odavno sam digao ruke, ali kao režiser, producent, ili makar IZVOR za druge režisere - možda još ima nade.

ovde ćete naći neke zanimljive podatke o planovima, filmskim i književnim, koji se krčkaju ovih dana:

"THE THIEF OF ALWAYS, written and directed by Kelly [SHREK 2] Asbury, is high on the list, because Fox is very passionate about making that work," Barker says of the long-aborning film based on his 1992 dark fantasy novel. "I'm really pleased, because Kelly is a very smart man, and the notion of him writing and directing this is just perfect. It's been agonizing to see the many versions of THIEF OF ALWAYS—at one point with Bernard [CANDYMAN] Rose and then various screenplays, and then on to the animated version but somehow never settling. I have great faith that with Kelly at the helm, it will finally come to fruition.

"The interesting thing," he continues, "is that in the 10 years that I've been developing THIEF OF ALWAYS, the technology has caught up with the way to do it now, so we can really make all the seasons arrive in one day. We can watch an entire environment turn into Halloween-time in a heartbeat. We can see an entire house come to life, which would have been much harder to do 10 years ago, so in many ways, it's all to the good. It may have taken a while, but we got there. Fox also has a horror movie of mine called DREAD, from BOOKS OF BLOOD, that the writers have adapted really beautifully, so I believe that's a high priority. The BOOKS OF BLOOD movies that I'm making with our company, Midnight Picture Show, are a high priority too. We'll probably end up signing the contract soon, and hopefully we'll be making movies by the early part of next year, so that will be two BOOKS OF BLOOD movies a year if all goes well."

Midnight Picture Show also just pacted with Armada Entertainment to produce PLAGUE, a futuristic chiller in which the world's children turn violently on their parents, to be directed by Hal Masonberg from a script he wrote with Teal Minton. Barker's production company, Seraphim Films, would also love to buy back the rights to the HELLRAISER and CANDYMAN franchises one day in order to get the sequels back on track in a quality way.

Undoubtedly Barker's biggest recent project is THE ABARAT QUARTET, a multipart book series the he not only wrote, but created hundreds of original paintings for. "ABARAT is being adapted by John Harrison [writer/director of the Sci Fi Channel's DUNE] for Disney, although we haven't decided on a director yet," Barker reveals. "What I did right from the beginning was say to Disney, 'Look, I'm creating these books, and there's a lot of my life and energy in it. Come to me if I can be useful, but otherwise I'll just be writing the books and painting.' So they haven't come to me, which I don't mind, because I like and trust John a great deal. There's a high likelihood that ABARAT will get going at some point, simply because I think fantasy is where people's heads are right now."

Also on the horizon is a written project that will unite the hero of his last film as director, LORD OF ILLUSIONS, and perhaps his single most famous creation. "I have a book of short stories that I'm publishing next year called THE SCARLET GOSPELS, which actually finishes with a long novella—or short novel depending on your definition—starring Harry D'Amour and the fellow with the pins in his head from the HELLRAISER movies. I am actually going to kill off Pinhead, so it's going to be my dream come true, to finally give the guy a decent death. I suspect that will come in autumn of 2005.

"We have a deal—and now we're getting cooler here—to do THE HISTORY OF THE DEVIL as a six-hour miniseries. That's a play of mine, in which the devil is taken to trial for his sins against humankind, demanding that he be released to go back to heaven. It's really about the history of evil, which is an interesting subject. The most interesting thing, however, is that a certain person or creature that calls him/itself Ghoul is giving away a copy of this play next Monday on his quiz" (Go here to participate in that: http://www.znaksagite.com/diskusije/viewtopic.php?t=2007) "There's also another miniseries, which is WEAVEWORLD for Showtime, and it's quite close to liftoff," Barker says. "It's taken 10 years, but a fellow called Bob Greenblatt has come in at Showtime and he's a really smart guy who likes the project, so I have high hopes that that's going to happen.

"And I left a good hot one for last: I just turned in the screenplay for TORTURED SOULS to Universal. They are reading it right now, and if they like it, hopefully I will direct that myself next year." Based on the wildly popular toy line created for McFarlane Toys, TORTURED SOULS is the first project that Barker is willing to absent himself from other works for several months in order to direct. "That's absolutely right," he says, "but there's also something to be said for being released from the day-to-day rhythm of writing in the morning and afternoon, having a workout and then going to paint, which is practically my seven-day regime. I don't think it hurts to break that rhythm for a year to make a movie. I want to make a horror movie; I want to make a scary movie; I've never lost my interest in that. And TORTURED SOULS is a damn good story, so we'll see what Universal thinks."

Finally, the question that Barker's fans have been asking for years: Is anything happening with the long-rumored director's cut DVD of the badly truncated NIGHTBREED? "Well, it goes on and on and on," he says, "because Fox has 25 minutes that were taken out of the movie, and they're somewhere in some huge warehouse that probably looks like the final shot of RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK. They have promised me over and over again that they will do a special edition and I can put the 25 minutes in and so on, but they've never done anything about it.

"The answer is, I have two pictures at Fox right now. My hope is, as my relationship warms up with Fox and we start to get closer to making either DREAD or THE THIEF OF ALWAYS, I'll be able to sidle up to one of the presidents or vice presidents and say, 'You know, I'd really love just to have the keys to your warehouse!' And then I'll go tiptoe in, because I'd really love to restore that material, and there's plenty of it. There are a bunch of monsters missing, and there was wonderful work in it. There's a lot of stuff I would like to put back, so the answer is, it's never gone from my head as something to do. It hasn't really worked to simply send letters to Fox, or even have my agents ask questions. What I need to do is to actually actively be making a movie with them, and then I'll be close enough for them to consider my appeal a little more. I would certainly love to get it going again, and I'd love to find those missing minutes."

And looking a bit further down the road, Barker is already thinking about what he hopes to be doing half a decade from now. "I'd like the ABARAT books to be done, and I'd also like to feel that we're making movies on a regular basis," he says. "Pretty much every day of the year, I would love to feel that I'm putting pen to paper or paint on canvas, and the visions and the voices are still there to be heard and seen. That's the way I've tried to live my life: by the pleasure of following whatever is in my head."

QuoteFox also has a horror movie of mine called DREAD, from BOOKS OF BLOOD, that the writers have adapted really beautifully, so I believe that's a high priority. The BOOKS OF BLOOD movies that I'm making with our company, Midnight Picture Show, are a high priority too. We'll probably end up signing the contract soon, and hopefully we'll be making movies by the early part of next year, so that will be two BOOKS OF BLOOD movies a year if all goes well."

Dva filma godišnje po pričama iz zbirke ''Knjige Krvi'': ovo bi moglo da bude veoma zanimljivo!

Dread je jedna od najboljih priča iz zbirke Books Of Blood.

Nego, tema o Klajvu Barkeru me podseti na jednu raniju temu o Barkeru koja se izrodila u nešto drugo što pamte stariji učesnici foruma. Šteta što je obrisana Deponija.

Izvinjavam se na skretanju s teme.

mmmm, da, rasprava o ghoulovoj pismenosti...

sva sreća te čuvam SVE te bisere sa deponije.
možda ih čak i okačim negde, za zabavu novijih članova, i podsećanje starih.
they don't make them like that anymore...
 

Oću to da vidim!
Kad smo već kod onog ludog jevrejskog hom..., ovaaaaj Klajva Barkera, koja je to priča Dread? Nek me neko podsjeti.
Meni lično, što se tiče Books of Blood, najbolje su Pig Blood Blues i Midnight Meat Train i baš me zanima kako bi izgledali filmovi po njima.

Quote from: "Harvester"Kad smo već kod onog ludog jevrejskog hom..., ovaaaaj Klajva Barkera, koja je to priča Dread? Nek me neko podsjeti.

Prevedena je kao 'Užas': zatvaraju neku devojku, koja ne jede meso, u podrum i ostavljaju joj meso na stolu. Ona odbija da ga pojede, ali kako dani prolaze, ona je sve gladnija, a meso je u sve lošijem stanju...

Jebote Ghuleta digao ruke od Clive-a Barker-a .Jadni Clive

Quote from: "Mickey Mouse"

Quote from: "Harvester"Kad smo već kod onog ludog jevrejskog hom..., ovaaaaj Klajva Barkera, koja je to priča Dread? Nek me neko podsjeti.

Prevedena je kao 'Užas': zatvaraju neku devojku, koja ne jede meso, u podrum i ostavljaju joj meso na stolu. Ona odbija da ga pojede, ali kako dani prolaze, ona je sve gladnija, a meso je u sve lošijem stanju...

Hm, ne sjećam se te priče. Mora biti da je baš iz one jedne Knige krvi koju nisam pročitao, čini mi se da je to peta.

e, moj harvesteru, rano te sustigle godine.

uzas je 1. prica u 2. knjizi krvi.
koju si, pretpostavljam, citao...

Očigledno da sam stariji nego što mislim   Drugu knjigu sam čitao, doduše ima tome nekoliko godina...

Ja bih se zabrinuo, jer izgleda da vas secanje bas ne sluzi preterano dobro; niko se nije setio one pricice koja se desava kod nas, U BREGOVE GRADOVI, cini mi se da se zvase. Ni ovako nemaju neko misljenje o nama, a zamisli tek posle ekranizacije toga.
A sta cemo sa KRALJ SIROVA GLAVA, jer je to vec ekranizovano - ne bas najbolje, dodao bih.

Meni je bila zanimljiva ona sa Zrtvenim jagnjadima, o onim ljudima na ostrvu. Meat Train mi je odvratan i suvise. Zanimljiv je i Sin celuloida.
Inace, meni su svi filmovi radjeni po BArkeru, koje sam dosad videla, uglavnom sranje. Hellraiser je malo kao bolji, ali u sustini mu ekranizacija bas i ne ide od ruke.

Ponoćni Kasapski Voz je jedna od najboljih priča. Totalno Lavkraftovska atmosfera.
U Bregove Gradovi je odlična priča (ako se dobro sećam, dva pedera su glavni likovi) i baš bi bilo interesantno videti kako bi je ekranizovali sa ona dva džina od ljudskih tela.

Kendimen je odličan film - rađen je, ako se ne varam prema priči Zabranjeno (mislim da je to priča iz četvrte knjige krvi)?

Ma skoro sve priče su totalno genijalne i vrlo filmične. Ako se ne izjalovi čitav projekat, biće jako zabavno gledati te filmove.

zar ste zaboravili film "Nightbreed"najbolje Clajv Barkerovo ostvarenje.

Barker je gigantska i kljucna figura modernog horora i o njemu treba suditi na osnovu najvecih dometa, nikako na osnovu baljezgarija i glorifikacije homoseksualizma kojima se predao u poslednje vreme.

Quote from: "WARLOCK"zar ste zaboravili film "Nightbreed"najbolje Clajv Barkerovo ostvarenje.

Nightbreed je katastrofa od filma. Lord of illusions takodje. Hellraiser je daleko bolji i znacajniji. Klajvu je definitivno bolje da se drzi pera a ne kamere.

Barker je mnogo znacajniji kao donosilac novih ideja i novih pristupa u hororu, nego kao realizator istih. Njegove Knjige krvi su enciklopedija savremenog horora. Steta sto ga je njegov egzibicionizam odveo na stramputicu... mada... ko zna sta ce iz svega ovoga sto je on uradio i bilo ko drugi ili bilo ko od nas preteći sud vremena.

Quote from: Plissken on 31-12-2004, 22:46:25Nightbreed je katastrofa od filma.

preteruješ.
a ionako, to je katastrofa koju je napravio studio sa svojim zavrzlamama.

novi razvoj situacije:


Clive Barker's NIGHTBREED, the dark fable about monsters without and within, began life as a short novel called CABAL and was later adapted by the author to direct himself for the big screen. After numerous setbacks and compromises, the movie was released, with little fanfare, in 1990 by 20th Century Fox. But what audiences saw and what the artist envisioned were two very different things.

In 2002, Barker told me that of his film work, he considered NIGHTBREED to be "the runt of the litter. Why do I say that? Because there are so many frustrated possibilities there. When you have a vision of something and you get halfway down the line to making it possible and studio politics interfere, it's frustrating. One of these days, I'll buck up the courage and look at it again."

Over the years, Barker continued to approach the two companies that held the footage, Fox and production entity Morgan Creek, in search of scenes excised to accommodate reshoots and a reworked ending imposed on him by the executives. There was much more involving the evil Dr. Decker (played by genre legend David Cronenberg) and his relationship with his expressionless mask—his "face". Barker had also shot a scene of Lori (Anne Bobby) singing a sad version of "Johnny Get Angry," mourning the loss of her lover, Boone, prior to her discovery of his survival. There was a new ending for the self-skinning Narcisse (Hugh Ross), including his own verbal introduction to Decker, a bloodier sendoff for Captain Eigerman (Charles Haid) and a more ambiguous demise for Decker himself. And so much more involving the Nightbreed themselves—the menagerie of creatures who called the Midian necropolis their home. Not so much stories, per se, or even sequences, but "moments" that Barker desired to restore.

For a long time, it seemed this footage was indeed lost. Then Barker's longtime friend Mark Miller took it upon himself to undertake the search on his own. According to Phil and Sarah Stokes, the curators of Clivebarker.info—Barker's official website and physical archive—authors of MEMORY, PROPHECY AND FANTASY: THE WORKS AND WORLDS OF CLIVE BARKER and editors of THE PAINTER, THE CREATURE AND THE FATHER OF LIES, a collection of Barker's non-fiction due out from Earthling Publications later this year, Miller achieved the impossible. "He'd uncovered the outstandingly wonderful news that the 'lost' footage actually still existed and was safely in [Morgan Creek's] storage," the Stokeses tell Fango. The balloon quickly burst, however, when Miller told them "the very bad news that they had no intention of doing anything with it."

From Morgan Creek's point of view, NIGHTBREED had been an underperformer in terms of both theatrical box office and on home video. As Miller was informed, the studio didn't even see the benefits of upgrading the film for Blu-Ray. For their part, the Stokeses saw no merit in, as they saw it, "antagonizing" Morgan Creek with a fan protest. Instead, they thought it more helpful to demonstrate to the company that there was a groundswell of support among fans who would indeed pay good money for a director's cut.

"Supported by news items on Fangoria.com and other sites, we were immediately swamped by e-mails," they say. "The response has been incredible, for which we give our huge and heartfelt thanks! We're still adding names every day to the support page. A couple of thousand e-mails into the process, Clive sent us an old UK PAL VHS tape marked simply 'NIGHTBREED' that he and Mark had pulled off a shelf without any idea whether it had anything unusual on it. We popped it in our player—and found it to be a 145-minute version of the film's mid-1989 workprint—that's 44 minutes longer than the theatrical release—and it's even more significant than that, since there are none of the later reshoots of Decker's murders, so the actual deleted footage is far more than 44 minutes!

"We gave Clive, Mark and everyone else the great news," they continue, "and then six weeks later, we were stunned with a second VHS, this one running 159 minutes with even more deleted scenes. In the meantime, Morgan Creek had contacted us, prompted by the sheer number of people who'd added themselves to the support page. Reversing their earlier 'no intention of releasing it' position, the power of NIGHTBREED's fans had convinced them to think again. While they've not come round to a 'yes' position yet, we're continuing to have constructive conversations about getting this done. For instance, it was Morgan Creek who kindly authorized the screening of the VHS workprint at HorrorHound," the recent genre convention in Indianapolis.

In a packed house and introduced by much of the cast (including Doug Bradley, Oliver Parker and longtime friend Ashley Laurence), as well as a visibly ill and near-voiceless but excited and animated Barker, the NIGHTBREED workprint was unveiled. To die-hard fans, this was the moment—and perhaps only die-hard fans could have truly appreciated the screening. The near-three-hour assembly was minus score and sound FX as well as all visual postproduction, bearing the once-typical editorial onscreen marks indicating cuts, fades, etc., and contained multiple takes of certain shots. A good 20 minutes played with the audio out of synchronization with the image. There wasn't the traditional pace of a feature film, just an unreeling of footage.

Which is what made the screening so rare and amazing. For the first time (minus a preview screening for Horrorhound inner circle the night before), this material was seen in its entirety by the general public—at least, those lucky enough to attain tickets. It was a rare glimpse behind the curtain of filmmaking and, for many in the room, the very first opportunity to see what a movie looks like in its larval stage. And it gave everyone there an idea of what Barker originally envisioned. Somewhere between this raw form and the compromised version we were given 20 years ago lies the Clive Barker Cut.

But only if (or, God willing, when) Morgan Creek acquiesces.

As of this writing, Phil and Sarah Stokes have nothing new to report. "We'll close our comments with, 'Since the HorrorHound screening, conversations have continued with Morgan Creek as to the next steps toward a reconstructed version of the movie.' "

Which means it's now up to us, the fans, to prove to Morgan Creek that such a restoration is worth undertaking. Oddly enough, looking back at NIGHTBREED's history, the time seems riper than ever. In 1990, horror hadn't yet resurfaced as a financially viable genre, so executives didn't know what to do with the morally ambiguous monster movie. In 2002, the possibility of even locating the footage seemed impossible, as Barker once related: "I'm sure I won't be given the keys to Fox's vaults and [be told], 'Go look for your missing 25 minutes.' It's sort of interesting that movies have their moments where suddenly they come back into focus again, and I hope this can happen for NIGHTBREED at some point—where somebody does say that. An advocate does appear. It doesn't have to be the head of the studio, just someone who comes in and takes a position of power at Fox, calls me and says, 'Hey, we'd like to see what we can do about putting this picture back together the way you intended.' That's not beyond the realm of possibility, but it ain't happened yet."

But, Barker added, "And yet, looking at the other side, I've had a lot of good fortune. I've had wonderful people to work with and for."

While his irritation with the industry has never been a secret, Barker's optimism and faith in his fans, and horror fans in general, has never wavered. Speaking barely above a whisper to a roomful of people, he pointed his hand, scanning the crowd. "You," he said. "This is happening because of you. You kept this alive all this time. You're saying to them, 'We tell you what we want. You don't tell us.' I can't thank you enough for this."



ono što me zabrinulo u celoj ovoj vesti jeste deo rečenice:
"...a visibly ill and near-voiceless but excited and animated Barker..."
koji sugeriše da je čudnozvučeći barkerov glas u poslednje vreme proizvod nečeg ozbiljnijeg od grgorenja crnačkom spermom.

Eh...pridev animated bolje paše živahnim mrtvacima, autor teksta možda hoće da kaže da je Barker više neživ nego živ.

QuoteFans have noticed of late that Barker's voice has become gravelly and coarse. He says in a December 2008 online interview (published March 2009) that this is due to polyps in his throat which were so severe that a doctor told him he was taking in ten percent of the air he was supposed to have been getting. He has had two surgeries to remove them and believes his resultant voice is an improvement over how it was prior to the surgeries. He said he did not have cancer and has given up cigars.

Eh, još jedan čovek u borbi protiv Ktulua...

Barker ima tecan stil pisanja, sto se ostalih stvari tice one su bljuvorada i bacanje plasticnih gadosti citaocu u facu, uglavnom...niko kao Po, Birs i Lavkraft.

Barker se opet bori protiv Ktulua...

News - Clive's Throat Surgery - August 27, 2010


...Clive's recurring problem with polyps on his throat are well known and have been a cause for concern for some time. We're pleased to say that Clive had surgery earlier today to remove the growths and that the surgery went "GREAT!"
Clive's going to be spending some time in recovery, meaning (as previously announced) that he won't be able to be at Horrorfind next month and he'll be taking a break from meetings, interviews and appearances until he's fully healed - after which he's promising to be back with renewed energy and lots of great projects.

Clive's asked us to pass on his thanks to everyone for all the messages of concern and best wishes that you've sent his way.

All best wishes from us to him for a speedy - and lasting - recovery

http://www.clivebarker.info/newssurgery.html

KNJIGA KRVI - 4-6
Klajv Barker

Izdavač: Algoritam
Broj strana: 428
Pismo: Latinica
Povez: Tvrd
Godina izdanja: 2013.
1252.80 din

Quote from: Alexdelarge on 30-07-2013, 20:27:38

ovi se kanda natječu u ružnoći, kretenoidnosti i retardiranosti dizajna sa bobanovim koricama za KK 1-3! 

zaboravih da dodam da je prevodilac skrobonja.

To je stari prevod, ali mislim da ga je Goran malo dorađivao. Doduše, zgodno je to što su tri knjige sabrane u jednu. Šteta što Boban nije uradio reprint svih šest u jednom tomu.

Quote from: Nightflier on 30-07-2013, 22:40:55
Šteta što Boban nije uradio reprint svih šest u jednom tomu.

nudio sam mu da se to uradi kao NEKRONOMIKON, sa ilustracijama i pratećim tekstovima i napomenama - ali je bio suviše glup da uvidi koliko je to bila pametna ideja... sad nek drugi ubiru kajmak...

Predlagao sam mu i ja, ali je tandrljao nešto oko prava. Ma ovako mu je bilo lakše. Šta ćeš...

Quote from: Ghoul on 30-07-2013, 23:00:16

Quote from: Nightflier on 30-07-2013, 22:40:55
Šteta što Boban nije uradio reprint svih šest u jednom tomu.

nudio sam mu da se to uradi kao NEKRONOMIKON, sa ilustracijama i pratećim tekstovima i napomenama - ali je bio suviše glup da uvidi koliko je to bila pametna ideja... sad nek drugi ubiru kajmak...

To bi bilo fantastično 

Bilo bi, ali mislim da od tog projekta definitivno nema ništa, naročito nakon objavljivanja ovog izdanja KK. Što se mene tiče, zadovoljio bih se reprintom Monolita 7 i najavljenim Monolitom 11. Šteta što se Boban ne posveti izdavaštvu onako kako on to ume, ali pretpostavljam da mu nedostaje obrtni kapital za pokretanje ozbiljne akcije.

"I am delighted to announce that Jovanka Vuckovic will be directing Game of Thrones star Lena Headey in the film version of my short story "Jacqueline Ess!"

http://variety.com/2014/film/news/cannes-game-of-thrones-actress-to-star-in-clive-barkers-horror-film-jacqueline-ess-exclusive-1201173174/




Novi Hellraiser


http://bloody-disgusting.com/news/3291875/exclusive-news-boom-studios-announces-new-anthology-series-hellraiser-bestiary-ed-brisson-michael-moreci/


Novi strip od Barkera


http://www.avclub.com/article/new-releases-include-elektra-southern-bastards-and-204055

kratki filmovi džobanke vukovik nisu bili baš naročito dobri - uprkos svem hajpu i pomoći slavnih drugara- pa se nadam da će njena tranzicija u narativni dugometražni žanrovski film biti malo manje džombasta sa ŽAKLINOM DUPE.

The Scarlet Gospel, zvuci dobro -

Hellraiser Pinhead stories to end with long-awaited novel The Scarlet Gospels
http://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/jan/06/hellraiser-stories-end-novel-the-scarlet-gospel-clive-barker

(Za sada, dosta negativnih recenzija na Amazonu.)

Po Barkeru, kao, pokusaj da se spasi sta se spasiti moze sto se tice Pinhead-a. Ali ovo takodje lici na dalju humanizaciju P. - sta se uopste moze spasiti u tom vec pogresnom pravcu.

Quote from: CellQ. on 04-04-2015, 20:42:35
Po Barkeru, kao, pokusaj da se spasi sta se spasiti moze sto se tice Pinhead-a. Ali ovo takodje lici na dalju humanizaciju P. - sta se uopste moze spasiti u tom vec pogresnom pravcu.

javlja mi se, biće shit.
barker je kao pisac mrtav već decenijama.
pre nekoliko godinama dopustio sam da me nagovore da poverujem da MR B. GONE možda valja.
bacio sam je posle 15-20 strana nečitljivosti.

a kao što ti već reče, to sa humanizacijom kenobita je bila glupost.
ona donekle srozava inače odlični 2. deo filma, ali zaista ljigava postaje tek u 3. delu.
barker sledi tu, u korenu misguided liniju.

Quote from: Ghoul on 04-04-2015, 21:20:12

Quote from: CellQ. on 04-04-2015, 20:42:35
Po Barkeru, kao, pokusaj da se spasi sta se spasiti moze sto se tice Pinhead-a. Ali ovo takodje lici na dalju humanizaciju P. - sta se uopste moze spasiti u tom vec pogresnom pravcu.

javlja mi se, biće shit.
barker je kao pisac mrtav već decenijama.
pre nekoliko godinama dopustio sam da me nagovore da poverujem da MR B. GONE možda valja.
bacio sam je posle 15-20 strana nečitljivosti.

a kao što ti već reče, to sa humanizacijom kenobita je bila glupost.
ona donekle srozava inače odlični 2. deo filma, ali zaista ljigava postaje tek u 3. delu.
barker sledi tu, u korenu misguided liniju.

Da, to u vezi humanizacije rekao si i ti sam prije par godina na blogu a obširnije(?) u knjizi 
Isto, mislim da si napisao da je trebao prestati poslje Weaveworld-a, ali interesuje me sta misliš o Damnation Game kao prije i Great and Secret Show kao poslje?

Damnation Game sam, u nestrpljenju, započeo pre više godina u vreme kad sam imao preča posla (magistarski!), pa pošto me knjiga nije baš udicama zakačila a obaveze i rokovi pritisli, ostavio sam je negde oko 50. strane za kasnije, i do sad je još nisam dovršio.

ali - planiram, uskoro, do leta.
s.t. joshi je smatra jednim od 20 najboljih horor romana 20. veka pa ću i zbog toga morati da je konačno okončam.

Great and Secret Show je kompromitovana bestseleritisom i amerikanitisom - ima tu finih ideja i scena ali likovi su banalni i konvencionalni i sve je prerazvučeno.

Nisam znao za to u vezi STJ, odlično onda - pročitaće se.

TY 

Quote from: Ghoul on 04-04-2015, 21:20:12
javlja mi se, biće shit.
barker je kao pisac mrtav već decenijama.

...and then some!

a evo i moje kritike:

SCARLET GOSPELS



http://ljudska_splacina.rs/2016/01/clive-barkers-scarlet-gospels.html

mene je smorila igra prokletstva
dalje ne planiram

teško tebe smoriti!

šta ja mogu kad se 100 stranica ništa ne događa

Poprilicno se slazem sa Gulovom ocenom. Sa Barkerom sam se sreo kroz prve tri Knjige krvi, i smatram i dan danas da mu je to najjace sto je napisao. Posle toga sam citao Kabal, koji me je kupio otprilike onim adutima koje Gul i spominje kao Barkerove primarne kvalitete. Ljubav prema Barkeru se odrzala sa sledecom procitanom knjigom: Utkanim svetom, za koji me vezuju pomesana osecanja; ocekivao sam cist horor u stilu Kabala, a dobio neku mesavinu fantastike i horora koja mi je ipak odrzala paznju do kraja. Sve posle toga je bila nizbrdica. Citao sam ono prevedeno kod nas, plus Mister B. Gone, i otprilike je svaka naredna knjiga bila gora i gora. Knjige krvi 4-6 se neizmerno slabije, najbolje price u njima jedva dobaciju do najgorih prica iz prve tri knjige. Velika i tajna predstava vec pokazuje ozbiljne znake skribomanije, ali ni izdaleka kao Evervil koji mi je bio potpuno necitljiv. Igra prokletstva je njanjav, pocetnicki roman, gde se nije pokazalo nista od kasnijih kvaliteta Barkera: sve je to suvise ispeglano, pristojno, bez Barkerovih zastitnih znakova krv-sperma-meso, a sto rece Gul, kad ga gleda covek kao pripovedaca nema tu cemu mnogo da se nada. I da, najveca mana Igre prokletsva je predvidljivost: sve se provali vec u prvoj cetvrtini romana, posle toga se sve svodi na cekanje ocekivanog zavrsetka, i na kraju se covek tolko smori cekajuci finale da nikako ne moze da bude zadovoljan njime. Posle bezveznog izleta u decji roman strave (sa Kradljivcem vecnosti) sam definitivno odustao. Napravio sam izuzetak za Hellraiser (koji i nije njegov, al ajd sad) i Mister B. Gone koji me je samo uverio da sam napravio dobru odluku kad sam digao ruke od njega. Stvarno je u pitanju istrosen pisac, a sto je najgore, istrosio se vec u pocetnim radovima i vec 20 i kusur godina se vozi na staroj slavi. A kad pomislim da mi je jednom davno bio najomiljeniji pisac horora

Quote from: Berserker on 12-01-2016, 17:58:49
A kad pomislim da mi je jednom davno bio najomiljeniji pisac horora

i meni, ali vrlo, vrlo kratko - otprilike 1991-1992/93. (kad li je već izašla kod nas velika i dosadna predstava).

ta 'budućnost horora', kako king reče, bila je prošlost već u vreme izricanja te bombastične, i avaj, tako drastično promašene prognoze...

od tatka na pinheda nisam očekivao da će *ovoliko* da izneveri sopstvenu kreaciju, naročito nakon što je više od 10 godina unazad obećavao *epsku* nezaboravnu avanturu...

šta je tačno bio pinhed ranije nismo ni znali. i u tome je ležala i moć, i čarolija, i fascinacija. dal je 'gospodar' il sluga pakla, dal je glavni baja il neki minion-potrčko... ali u svakom slučaju, bio je deo jedne nehristijanske neomitologije. i to je bilo super. naročito kad smo u II delu filma videli i 'boga' levijatana, potpuno neantropomorfnog. carski! a onda ovde, kod barkera, u knjizi, imamo lucifera kao malo krupnijeg muškarca, dakle - čoveka (sa nekim kao moćima), koji krvari, kojeg komadaju, lome mu rebra, itd. sranje!

pa zar i ti, sine Berserkče? 


i dobro sad, vidim da sam verovatno jedina na ovdašnjem netu koja ima i par dobrih stvari da kaže o Barkerovom najnovijem romanu... s tim što ne mislim da opovrgavam ništa Ghoulovo, jer to što on govori svakako nije netačno, nego naprosto dolazi primarno iz domena ukusa, a ja ne znam koliko je to fer, najozbiljnije. A najsmešnije od svega, ja čak i nisam Barkerov fan, nisam nikad ni bila, iako sam prilično ispoštovala njegovu ogromnu ulogu u žanru, možda mi zato i ne promiču neke zaista dobri aspekti u ovom romanu.


Kao prvo, slutim da tu danas ima jako puno desenzitizacije kod čitalaštva, otud vam se i čini da on više ne nudi ono što ste nalazili u Knjigama krvi. Ali dobro, to je već teško dokaziva pretpostavka, pa neću dalje po tom pitanju. Ono što se meni primarno dopalo su neke čisto zanatske kvalitete, jer da se ne lažemo, Barkerove priče su jedna stvar ali njegovi romani su uvek bili više garažna radinost negoli ozbiljan zanatski uradak, i to silno važi i za mog personalnog favorita Imadžiku, a kamoli šta drugo. Ghoul tamo pominje da je Gospel editovan za nekih 500 stana i sasvim mi je lako da u to poverujem, jer ovde zasta nema mnogo praznog hoda, pa čak ni odviše repetitivnosti, osim kad menjanja pripovedne tačke gledišta to zahtevaju. Isto tako, meni je znatno više prijao onaj kasniji deo sa Paklom (za razliku od Ghoula, recimo, koji preferiše početni deo sa Harijem) i smatram da je arhitektura Pakla stvarno impresivna, isto kao i Barkerov izraz u tom delu. Tu ima jako puno hajlajta koji su bukvalno izneli roman i nadmašili mnoge manjkavosti. Dalje, što se tiče Pinheda i njegove reinvencije, pa da, jeste, to se možda i protivi nečijim očekivanjima, ali mojima izgleda da nije, i sad kad ga znam takvog kakav je u Gospelu, recimo da mi je drago što je takav. da, da, to sve jesu tipično ljudske mane, zavist i mržnja i sujeta i pohlepa i ceo taj džez ali pa šta? da li smatramo da je sluga pakla iznad takvih sentimenata? jer što se same psihološke motivacije tiče, šta bi drugo bilo ičija bolja pokretačka snaga da se ruši dekadentni Pakao? znate kako kažu, "lako je posrnuti u Raju ali deder posrni ti u Paklu"...    što Barker prilično intuitivno shvata ponajviše u Gospelu, otud mu i odajem priznanje.


A što se ostalog tiče, pa, pipl - to je Barker. Neke od zamerki koje mu stavljate na dušu su mi u rangu zamerki KFCiju na preteranu masnoću, recimo. 

...."arhitektura Pakla stvarno impresivna"...

to je ipak samo 'window dressing': da, ima tu lepih slika, zamisli, voleo bih da to vidim u nekom barem stripu ako ne filmu/seriji sa velikim budžetom - ali kao proza, to je polumrtvo at best, a uglavnom ravno.

inače, možda nisam bio dovoljno jasan: meni je hari smrtno dosadan lik, nikako mi nije zabavan deo sa njim - govorio sam pohvalno o prologu, pre nego što se on pojavi.
uslovno se može reći da je deo na zemlji 'zabavan' utoliko što tu još nema otupljenja svih čula zatrpanošću 'arhitekturom pakla' (koja je, rekoh već, samo nekakav nemaštoviti dark fantasy svet).

Quote from: PTY on 17-01-2016, 16:55:52
pa zar i ti, sine Berserkče? 

Ma, ja sam ovih meseci ionako u manadžijskoj fazi i šaljem na Kupindo sve knjige iz biblioteke koje mi se ne svidjaju dovoljno da bih ih opet čitao Tako sam sačuvao od Barkera samo Knjige krvi, od Kinga samo Izmaglica i To, od celog Simonsa samo Hiperion, čak je i Gibson otišao u kompletu (ostao samo Neuromancer a imao sam sve njegove prevedene stvari), da ne spominjem Klarka i njegov Kraj detinjstva koji je jedini preživeo od nekih njegovih 15ak knjiga koliko sam ih imao. Tako da je Barker i dobro prošao, čak 6 njegovih knjiga su preživele

Barker je mnogo bolji u kratkim stvarima jer je njegovo najjače oružje slika, jedan događaj, nekoliko vezanih dijaloga.
On se gubi u megaromanima i sam bog zna zašto ih toliko voli. Ali znam dosta ljudi koji to vole...
Na kraju krajeva, zar svaki pisac mora da ceo život piše remek-dela?
Barker je već pomerio granice horora na način kojim je obezbedio sebi besmrtnost.
Potrošačko društvo insistira da se nove knjige pisaca željno iščekuju i odmah konzumiraju... ali to nema veze sa stvarnošću.
Uvek je bolje pročitati od dvadesetorice autora po jednu knjigu nego 20 knjiga od jednog autora.

Quote from: Boban on 18-01-2016, 01:56:43
On se gubi u megaromanima i sam bog zna zašto ih toliko voli.

Možda zato što se bolje prodaju?

Quote from: Berserker on 17-01-2016, 23:10:26

Quote from: PTY on 17-01-2016, 16:55:52
pa zar i ti, sine Berserkče? 

Ma, ja sam ovih meseci ionako u manadžijskoj fazi i šaljem na Kupindo sve knjige iz biblioteke koje mi se ne svidjaju dovoljno da bih ih opet čitao Tako sam sačuvao od Barkera samo Knjige krvi, od Kinga samo Izmaglica i To, od celog Simonsa samo Hiperion, čak je i Gibson otišao u kompletu (ostao samo Neuromancer a imao sam sve njegove prevedene stvari), da ne spominjem Klarka i njegov Kraj detinjstva koji je jedini preživeo od nekih njegovih 15ak knjiga koliko sam ih imao. Tako da je Barker i dobro prošao, čak 6 njegovih knjiga su preživele

Poznata mi je ta faza, moja papirna biblioteka je sada svedena na svega stotinjak naslova, a u idućem nastupu praktičosti ima da spadne samo na izabrane + potpisane primerke. 

I da još jednom podvučem, ovo moje viđenje Gospela stvarno ne treba shvatiti kao preporuku za čitanje, daleko od toga, nego eto, bilo mi malko ironično da će Barkerove dobro nam već poznate mane ponajviše platiti upravo roman koji ih ponajmanje zloupotrebljava...