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Quote from: zosko on 30-09-2016, 17:15:03

Quote from: saturnica on 30-09-2016, 17:07:40
Stvarno zosko, osupnuta sam tvojim razmisljanjem. Iz tebe progovara razocaran muskarac...

razocaran? o ne, tko sam ja da dovodim u pitanje bozju postavku univerzuma. vjerujem da zna sta radi ili je, hm, alkoholicar.

pa realno, tko je ikad sreo funkcionalnu zensku zajednicu? ja nikad.

Da te cujem onda, sto je to po tebi funkcionalna muska zajednica? I molim te, ne pozivaj se na Boga. Ne znamo mi nista o univerzumu...

Quote from: saturnica on 30-09-2016, 17:22:57
Da te cujem onda, sto je to po tebi funkcionalna muska zajednica? I molim te, ne pozivaj se na Boga. Ne znamo mi nista o univerzumu...

pa sve, sve sto funkcionalno je muska zajednica.
zene sta god rade, sve je privid funcionalnog, t.j. privid bavljenja s cim god, dok je u fokusu uvijek dobijanje muske paznje.
da zaokruzimo, zenska zajednica mogla bi funkcionirati samo uz musko rukovodjenje, tako sto bi se u strogo definiranim granicama i okvirima clanice jedinice nadmetale za naklonost. i to nadmetanje bi se kroz obuku usmjerilo iskljucivo na neprijatelja.

Quote from: zosko on 30-09-2016, 18:29:02

zene sta god rade, sve je privid funcionalnog

Бобан је жена!?!?!?

bato. privukao sam paznju dvije zene. dybuk i saturnice. sve provokativnim obrtanjem teorija, sto njima jasno, samo ne slute da namjerno.
i ti sad skreces sav moj trud u pogresan pravac, umjesto da me podrzis.
reci, to se ne moze ovako ispalamuditi, previse za tipkati...

Quote from: zoskosamo ne slute da namjerno.

Ne zosko, nemamo pojma 

sad ste mi potpuno urushili koncept.

Зоско, пази се

Quote from: zosko on 30-09-2016, 18:29:02

Quote from: saturnica on 30-09-2016, 17:22:57
Da te cujem onda, sto je to po tebi funkcionalna muska zajednica? I molim te, ne pozivaj se na Boga. Ne znamo mi nista o univerzumu...

pa sve, sve sto funkcionalno je muska zajednica.
zene sta god rade, sve je privid funcionalnog, t.j. privid bavljenja s cim god, dok je u fokusu uvijek dobijanje muske paznje.
da zaokruzimo, zenska zajednica mogla bi funkcionirati samo uz musko rukovodjenje, tako sto bi se u strogo definiranim granicama i okvirima clanice jedinice nadmetale za naklonost. i to nadmetanje bi se kroz obuku usmjerilo iskljucivo na neprijatelja.

Nisi mi odgovorio sto je to dobra i funkcionalna muska zajednica, osim sto si u gornjem komentaru mogucu skupinu zena na jednom mjestu nazvao lezbama. A sad pogledajmo jednu "funkcionalnu musku zajednicu" na Sagiti. Sto kazes? Cini ti se funkcionalna ili disfunkcionalna? Zanemari ovih par zena sto su ovuda muvaju, kako ti kazes, samo s ciljem da na sebe skrenu musku paznju, ali im to, tko zna zasto, i ne ide bas od ruke. Mozda se sva istospolna okupljanja na jednom mjestu, na kraju svedu na homoseksualna. Nije da sad nekog ovdje prozivam zbog moguce i takve seksualne orijentacije, samo glasno razmisljam...

a ne, u pogledu pomisli da izjavljujem kako "se par zena ovuda muva s ciljem da na sebe skrenu musku paznju" nisi u pravu.
to bi bila ozbiljna uvreda i tesko omalovazavanje koje ne bih tek tako potegao ni spram osoba s kojima bih bio "u sukobu", kamoli spram tebe, dibuk ili bate, koje dozivljavam skroz prijateljski i simpaticno, u opustenoj raspravi.
znaci, to se moze preslikati iz mojih navoda, ali nije mi ni u primisli.
odnosim se na drustvo opcenito, van nase uske zajednice. da se odnosim na sagitu, naglasio bih.

ne bih ni razmatrao je li "muska zajednica" sagite funkcionalna ili disfunkcionalna, sve iz postivanja sugovornika s kojima se druzim.

moje pisanje karikira nekoliko fenomena. primjerice, iskustvo koje sam stekao kroz rad u iskljucivo muskom ili iskljucivo (uz mene iznimku) zenskom okruzenju.
po tom iskustvu, zene su mnogo veci individualci od muskaraca, t.j. muskarci skloniji formiranju zajednice i timskom radu.
medju zenama bio sam na udaru prica po najfascinantnijim linijama medjusobne konkurencije, intriga, koje tesko narusavale zajednicu, do te mjere da si ne mogu zamisliti vod zena u kojem bi se bezrezervno oslanjale jedna na drugu. znaci, bas profesionalne jedinice nikad ne bih oformio od zena.
mislim da iskrenoscu/predanoscu odnosa medju muskarcima sudionicima profesionalnih timova tek usporediv odnos u zenskim lezbejskim zajednicama. u tom kontekstu lezbejke, van seksualnog, stanje svijesti.

UN Decision to Appoint Wonder Woman as Female Empowerment Ambassador Sparks Outrage

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The United Nations is facing backlash after appointing the fictional superhero Wonder Woman as its new Honorary Ambassador for the Empowerment of Women and Girls.
A petition started by "concerned" U.N. staff members asks the intergovernmental organization to reconsider the choice, arguing that Wonder Woman's "current iteration is that of a large breasted, white woman of impossible proportions, scantily clad in a shimmery, thigh-baring body suit with an American flag motif and knee high boots -– the epitome of a 'pin-up' girl."
The petition adds that it was "disappointing" that the U.N. "was unable to find a real-life woman that would be able to champion the rights of ALL women on the issue of gender equality and the fight for their empowerment."
Critics also say that they would be more than happy to come up with a list "of incredible extraordinary women that would formidably carry out this role."
Appointing Wonder Woman as an Honorary Ambassador is part of a U.N. campaign meant to "highlight what we can collectively achieve if women and girls are empowered," according to a statement on the U.N.'s website on sustainable development goals, which states that Wonder Woman will be used in support of Sustainable Development Goal 5, "to achieve gender equality and empower all women and girls."
The petition to reconsider Wonder Woman as the ambassador goes on to say, "at a time when issues such as gender parity in senior roles and the prevention of sexual exploitation and abuse of women and girls is at the top of the United Nations' agenda, including the 'He for She' campaign, this appointment is more than surprising."

Life-size cutouts of the superhero have already appeared at the U.N. headquarters in New York, according to the petition.
The decision felt especially insensitive to some because of the recent U.N. decision to not appoint a female chief to replace Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon when he steps down at the end of this year. The U.N. has never had a woman as secretary-general.
Anne Marie Goetz, an NYU professor and former U.N. adviser, called the move "disgusting" on Twitter, saying that it substituted a "sexualized fake" for a "real woman leader."


Stéphane Dujarric, a U.N. spokesman for the secretary-general, defended the choice at a press briefing on Monday, saying "in order to reach young people, in order to reach audiences outside of this building, we need to be creative and have creative partnerships."
Dujarric continued: "I think this is a new and creative way for us to reach a different audience with critical messages about women's empowerment. ... The aim of using cartoon characters, whether it's Angry Birds, whether it's Wonder Woman, is not to reach people like you and I, or at least not to reach people like me."
Dujarric added that the vote on the next secretary-general and the launch of the Wonder Woman campaign are "clearly not related," and said that the aim of the Wonder Woman campaign is to "think of all the wonders" that "we can collectively achieve if women and girls are empowered."

Bonus:


  Wonder Woman Named U.N. Ambassador; Lynda Carter Channels Clinton, Mocks Trump

Šta li će tek biti kad se sete bondage aspekta Čudesne žene...

To sam i ja jutros rekao svojoj  supruzi. Em biseksualna, em bondidžu sklona... Biće zajebano.

Zanimljiv tekst:

https://psihobrlog.wordpress.com/2016/10/20/a-znate-li-onaj-kad-devojka-polaze-voznju-kako-seksisticki-vicevi-uticu-na-stavove-o-zenama/

Ja sam stvarno uverena da '100x ponovljena laž postaje istina" i 100x napisano da je okej ženu vaspitavati, šamarati, da su sve kurve i da im je svima cilj da se dobro udaju (skorašnji članak u Informeru o ženama, izjava Žike Šarenice da mala teniserka treba dobro da se uda kao Ana Ivanović, i baljezgarije kandidata za US predsednika). I mislim da treba reagovati, ograničiti, kažnjavati, zabraniti.

Women and men won't reach economic equality until 2186, index says

QuoteNEW YORK (Thomson Reuters Foundation) - Efforts to close gender gaps in pay and workforce participation slowed so dramatically in the past year that men and women may not reach economic equality for another 170 years, the World Economic Forum said on Tuesday.
Statistics just a year ago predicted the economic gap between genders could close in 118 years, but progress has decelerated, stalled or reversed in nations around the world, the Swiss non-profit WEF said in its annual gender gap index."These forecasts are not foregone conclusions. Instead, they reflect the current state of progress and serve as a call to action," Saadia Zahidi, a member of the WEF executive committee, said in a statement.Overall, Iceland and Finland ranked highest among 144 nations measured on progress in equality in education, health and survival, economic opportunity and political empowerment.Next were Norway and Sweden, followed by Rwanda, which has improved economic participation and income equality and has the highest share of female parliamentarians in the world, the WEF said.At the bottom was Yemen, then Syria, Saudi Arabia and Iran, with a wide array of progress in between, it said.The gap in political empowerment, it said, was particularly pronounced in the United States, which may soon elect its first female president. In most polls, Democrat Hillary Clinton leads Republican Donald Trump ahead of the Nov. 8 election.The United States ranked 73rd in political empowerment, which measured the ratio of men to women in the highest levels of political decision-making, the WEF said. It ranked 45th in the global list overall. Nations with significant political gender gaps stand to lose out, the WEF said in a 391-page report accompanying the index."In the political sphere, women's engagement in public life has a positive impact on inequality across society at large," it said. "In addition, there is a range of evidence to suggest that women's political leadership and wider economic participation are correlated."EARNINGS
  Globally, the political gender gap is slowly but steadily improving, it said.On the other hand, the economic gap this past year reverted back to where it was in 2008. It measures how many men and women participate in the labor force, their earned incomes and their job advancement.It stands at 59 percent, meaning women's economic participation and opportunity is a little more than half of what men have, Zahidi said.At the current rate, and given that the gap widened last year, women and men will not be equal economically for another 170 years, the report said. Around the world, 54 percent of working-age women on average  participate in the formal economy, compared with 81 percent of men, it said.Women's average annual earnings are roughly half those of men, estimated at $10,778, versus $19,873, it said."Ensuring the healthy development and appropriate use of half of the world's total talent pool has a vast bearing on the growth, competitiveness and future readiness of economies and businesses worldwide," the WEF said.The gap between men and women in terms of education - literacy and school enrolment - is so small that they could be at equal levels within the next 10 years, it said.But closing the gap in political empowerment, at current rates, could take 82 years, it said.A nation's score reflected how much it has closed the gaps between men and women, using data from organizations such as the International Labour Organization, United Nations Development Programme and World Health Organization, it said. (Reporting by Ellen Wulfhorst, editing by Alisa Tang. Please credit the Thomson Reuters Foundation, the charitable arm of Thomson Reuters, that covers humanitarian news, women's rights, trafficking, land rights and climate change. Visit news.trust.org)

Pa strašno 

10 Reasons why Lars Von Trier might actually be a Feminist

Ако ускоро не сними филм о жени која гласа за Трампа ништа није урадио за феминизам!

Celebrities Express Disgust Over Non-Consensual Rape Scene In 'Last Tango In Paris'

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5845754fe4b0c68e0481c0e8


Bertolucci Responds to Outrage Over 'Last Tango in Paris' Rape Scene Confession

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/oscars-why-fake-news-concerns-shouldnt-bother-hollywood-950873

Evo pravog linka za Bertolučijevo objašnjenje:


https://www.yahoo.com/movies/bernardo-bertolucci-responds-last-tango-paris-backlash-over-170313749.html

tl;dr: Bernardo veli da nije stvar u tome da je od Marije sakrivena činjenica da je u sceni seksualno napadnuta, već samo da će biti korišćen maslac.

Linkovah pogrešno, kako mi je to uspjelo...

Elem, Marija je tvrdila da scene nije bilo u scenariju, već je ubačena na dan snimanja. Ona nije znala da može da nazove advokata ili menadžera, jer po ugovoru to ne mora da radi. I povrh toga ide maslac.

U svakom slučaju, nije ovo gore od Polanskog ili Vudija, čak i samog Bertolučija s pedofilijom u Novecento.

Actually, u linkovanom Hafington Post tekstu se to ne tvrdi. U njemu Bertoluči eksplicitno kaže da joj nije unapred rečeno za maslac i da je to bilo namerno da se vidi njena autentična reakcija i da je to bilo svinjski i da mu je žao zbog toga. Sama Šnajderova kaže da se osetila poniženo i "malo silovano" od strane obojice i da posle scene nije dobila reč utehe ili podrške, ali nigde ne kaže da nije znala da scena podrazumeva seksualni napad. E, sad, izvor te njene izjave je Daily Mail i ako se pročita ceo članak, stvari su nešto drugačije:

Quote"I watched it again three years ago after Marlon died and it seems kitsch," she exclaims.
"I think Bertolucci is over-rated and he never really made anything after Last Tango that had the same impact.
"He was fat and sweaty and very manipulative, both of Marlon and myself, and would do certain things to get a reaction from me. Some mornings on set he would be very nice and say hello and on other days, he wouldn't say anything at all.
"I was too young to know better. Marlon later said that he felt manipulated, and he was Marlon Brando, so you can imagine how I felt. People thought I was like the girl in the movie, but that wasn't me.
"I felt very sad because I was treated like a sex symbol - I wanted to be recognised as an actress and the whole scandal and aftermath of the film turned me a little crazy and I had a breakdown.
"Now, though, I can look at the film and like my work in it."

Pa onda:

QuoteThey engage in some steamy clinches, the most famous involving Schneider face down on the apartment floor while Brando applies butter to her nether regions and performs a sex act on her.
"That scene wasn't in the original script. The truth is it was Marlon who came up with the idea," she says.
"They only told me about it before we had to film the scene and I was so angry.
"I should have called my agent or had my lawyer come to the set because you can't force someone to do something that isn't in the script, but at the time, I didn't know that.
"Marlon said to me: 'Maria, don't worry, it's just a movie,' but during the scene, even though what Marlon was doing wasn't real, I was crying real tears.
"I felt humiliated and to be honest, I felt a little raped, both by Marlon and by Bertolucci. After the scene, Marlon didn't console me or apologise. Thankfully, there was just one take."
Many believed that the sex scenes between Brando and Schneider were for real, but she insists: "Not at all. There was no attraction between us. For me, he was more like a father figure and I a daughter.

Dakle, scena je svakako bila neprijatna za nju i bez sumnje traumatična u određenoj meri i, kako i sama kaže nije bila u scenariju ali su joj rekli za scenu pre snimanja.

Ovde je svakako stvar u tome da dva odrasla muškarca praktično nagovore klinku na nešto na šta neko sa više iskustva i moći ne bi pristao, ali nije u pitanju "iznenadni" napad. Hoću da kažem, radi se o nečem što je za osudu, van svake sumnje, samo nije u pitanju da se to sve desilo bez najave, već, kako to češće u životu i biva, uz malo ubeđivanja i namigivanja...

Elem, druga stvar je svakako ono što je Jevtropijevićka još pre neku godinu napisala, a to je da se ova scena često citira kao primer autentične strasti na filmu i te neke senzualne energije a ne ukazuje se dovoljno često da scena prikazuje seksualni napad, odnosno silovanje, odnosno nešto što bi trebalo da bude neprihvatljivo u stvarnom životu itd.

Zar nisam to isto reko? Da je Marija za scenu saznala koji sat prije snimanja, naivno pristala itd

Nije moje da feminišem, Jevtropijevićka nek se vrne i kritikuje!

 Marija Šnajder je više puta o tome govrila u svojim intervjuima,  mislim da imam negde  taj čuveni  u kom  je prvi put progovorila o tome, kod nas je obelodanjen u časopisu  DAMA gl. i odg.urednik  Vesna Radusinović.
Ako ga iskopam skeniraću i postovati .

Ja sam taj film gledala akd sam bila za njega premlada, to sada mislim, i izazvao mi je mučninu, tada. Sve ove godine nisam želela da ga gledam ponovo, baš osećam odbojnost, a podsećam se mučnine i čitajući o tome. Baš mi je cela ta priča, znam da se ponavljam, mučna.

kultura silovanja  on je samo hteo posto-poto snimiti njenu  reakciju kao djevojke, a ne kao glumice! naprosto nije želeo da glumi poniženje i bes več da ga oseća.  ja taj film volim i razumem. uostalom  i bergman je imao svoje momente...recimo ujutru kad se probudi saopsti svojoj  glavnoj glumici da je imao kosmare u kojima ce ona da igra. tako da...

Crvena boja označava zemlje u kojima pretežno žive muškarci, a plavom bojom obeležene su države u kojima preovladava ženska populacija. U zemljama žute boje živi približno isti broj muškaraca i žena.

http://www.b92.net/zivot/vesti.php?yyyy=2017&mm=01&dd=12&nav_id=1219338

kolika razlika mora da bude da može da se kaže da je to približno isti broj?

Zavisi ko crta mapu. Ovde je jedna mapa: http://chartsbin.com/view/2337 , a ovde druga: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sex_ratio

Šaznam, srbija je plava

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Female shark learns to reproduce without males after years alone

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Who needs men? A female shark separated from her long-term mate has developed the ability to have babies on her own.

Leonie the zebra shark (Stegostoma fasciatum) met her male partner at an aquarium in Townsville, Australia, in 1999. They had more than two dozen offspring together before he was moved to another tank in 2012.

   


From then on, Leonie did not have any male contact. But in early 2016, she had three baby sharks.

Intrigued, Christine Dudgeon at the University of Queensland in Brisbane, Australia, and her colleagues began fishing for answers.
One possibility was that Leonie had been storing sperm from her ex and using it to fertilise her eggs. But genetic testing showed that the babies only carried DNA from their mum, indicating they had been conceived via asexual reproduction.

Some vertebrate species have the ability to reproduce asexually even though they normally reproduce sexually. These include certain sharks, turkeys, Komodo dragons, snakes and rays.

However, most reports have been in females who have never had male partners.

There are very few reports of asexual reproduction occurring in females with previous sexual histories, says Dudgeon. An eagle ray and a boa constrictor, both in captivity, are the only other female animals that have been documented switching from sexual to asexual reproduction.
"In species that are capable of both reproductive modes, there are quite a few observations of switches from asexual to sexual reproduction," says  at the University of New South Wales in Sydney. "However, it's much less common to observe switches in the other direction."

In sharks, asexual reproduction can occur when a female's egg is fertilised by an adjacent cell known as a , Dudgeon says. This also contains the female's genetic material, leading to "extreme inbreeding", she says. "It's not a strategy for surviving many generations because it reduces genetic diversity and adaptability."

Nevertheless, it may be . "It might be a holding-on mechanism," Dudgeon says. "Mum's genes get passed down from female to female until there are males available to mate with."

It's possible that the switch from sexual to asexual reproduction is not that unusual; we just haven't known to look for it, Dudgeon says.

Bonduriansky agrees. "It would seem to be highly advantageous," he says. "It could be much more common than we currently realise."

Journal reference: Scientific Reports,

Kaem ja da će s Džudit Batler da ponište i polove, svi ćemo biti hermafroditi!

Ima jednog dana kad se izjasniš da si muško da završiš u ludaju.
Ehhhh,, svijetle li budućnosti.....

Šta ima da se "izjašnjavaš"? Valjda znaš ko si i bez verbalne (ili pismene) potvrde? Upravo to i jeste glavni problem u današnjoj klimi političke korektnosti - svi se nešto izjašnjavaju, čak i o stvarima o kojima nemaju osnovne informacije.

Smešni, čuo si da negde ukidaju muško i žensko, negde mamu i tatu, negde država propisuje da si protiv nje ako si protiv indoktrinacije koju sprovodi po školama.
Kako bi okarakterisao mene koji sam 'indoktrinirao' svog sina da čovek nije nastao od majmuna i da je Darvin validan kolko i bigbang'slučajnost' ?
I da su svi pederi bolesnici koji treba se leče, i da uvek treba prvo biti Pravoslavac, pa Srbin, pa tek nikad Evropejac?
Niti pripadnik ikoje političke stranke ikad, već živi u Kraljevini Srbiji, čija je vlast još uvek uzurpirana komunistima?

I rekao sam jeeeednog dana.
Sva ova moja izjašnjenja su samo mlaćenje prazne slame, dok se ne upišu u ćitape.
A onda postaju 'opasnost'!
Indoktrinirao nije prava reč, ali, tek da budemo razumljivi.
Da li sam

...pojede mi se post....

Dakle, da li sam trenutno kao ovakav ovde poželjan pojedinac?
Trenutno, hu kerz?
Za neko neodređeno vreme, enemi ov d' stejt nambr uan!

Nema vaspitanja ili odgoja koji su imuni na sopstveni uvid. Jer da nije tako, nikakva komunikacija medju različitim kulturama ne bi bila moguća, ikad. Hoću da kažem, možeš ti - ili država, svejedno - da pričaš i učiš nekog šta god hoćeš, ali, ako on sam uvidi suprotno, ili bar drugačije, ništa ne pomaže - sve pada kao kula od karata. Možeš da mu obrišeš pamćenje i sve uradiš iznova, završiće se slično. Kao u filmu Večiti sjaj besprekornog uma. Zato se ja ne patim sa vaspitanjem ili "pranjem mozgova", i više sam samo za neke okvirne smernice u odgoju...

Čak ni jezik ne ograničava mišljenje koliko neki smatraju. Otežava neke puteve, ali ih ne čini nemogućim.

Yup,
slažem se, jedna je istina, i svi je saznamo, pre ili kasnije.

Women's Match je bio uspešniji nego što se očekivalo, reklo bi se. To je dobro.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/inauguration-crowds-looking-puny-compared-175405044.html

Evo nekih parola sa protesta, ima dosta kreativnih. Na mene je ova ostavila jak utisak, prilicno pametna.

Ne razumem, jel može objašnjenje šta je tu pametno?

Zid (materice) je u pitanju. Komentar na pitanje reproduktivnih prava zena.

Secret Service WILL investigate Madonna after singer says she wants to BLOW UP the White House in expletive-filled rant at women's march

Tramp postavio legitimno pitanje: jesu li svi ovi ljudi (žene) glasali?

Pa jesu, al ne mogu da porede kad je Tramp dobio izbore! Kake bi ti medije, objektivne, profesionalne?

Neka drčna Crnogorka udara kontru

http://www.in4s.net/cutale-ste/

Quote from: Pizzobatto on 22-01-2017, 22:39:00
Neka drčna Crnogorka udara kontru

http://www.in4s.net/cutale-ste/

Још мало на исту воденицу, само мало глобалније, јелте.


https://rs.sputniknews.com/analize/201701221109725134-feministkinje-Monika-Levinski-1/

Takoe, ovo je bre spontano ko mercedes.

Što je još gore, koga je mrzilo da čita Eskobara, lijepo čoek reče da ovi drmaju da bi Tramp reko Putinu "vidiš šami rade, kat mi sam slek", da izgura bolju poziciju u pregovorima, više koristi itd

A žene koristi neće imati.

Quote from: Meho Krljic on 22-01-2017, 07:55:02
Women's Match je bio uspešniji nego što se očekivalo, reklo bi se. To je dobro.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/inauguration-crowds-looking-puny-compared-175405044.html

немам идеју зашто је то добро, ајд помози ми молим те

Pa, zato što je lepo da veliki broj ljudi sleš žena kulturno izrazi rezigniranost idejom da će predsednik koji se hvalio hvatanjem pičaka verovatno da zaista oduzme pola milijarde dolara godišnje budžetskih transfera firmi koja se bavi reproduktivnim zdravljem žena (ne samo žena, da ne bude zabune, Planned Parenting se bavi i muškarcima) zato što tamo neki konzervativci misle da federalna vlast ne treba da finansira abortuse. Iako se od tih para finansiraju samo prekidi trudnoće koja je posledica silovanja ili se radi o oštećenom plodu, ne i običan elektivni abortus i iako, možda je značajno da se podseti, abortus predstavlja samo delić usluga koje Planned Parenting pruža ženama i muškarcima a koje pomažu da svi budu zdraviji.