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Cujem da je juce bila novinarska projekcija gledo li neko?

otkud ti ideja da je 300 horor?      

bice i horror

300 Trailer - rated R for adults only, bloody good trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28IjXoTP4yg

ne očekujem dobar film, mada će MNOGIMA (a warlocku sigurno) da se dopadne.

ovo, na osnovu trejlera, i inserata koje videh, čak i ne izgleda kao FILM već kao niz pokretnih slika; da, svestan sam da zvučim kontradiktorno, kao, 'zar nije film=pokretne slike?'

pa, da, u neku ruku: ali film je mnogo više od slika koje mrdaju, film je i vrlo specifičan način, modalitet tog mrdanja, poseban JEZIK, i ja taj jezik skoro i da ne videh u odlomcima iz filma; drugim rečima, te scene borbe, sa slow motionom, sve su samo ne uzbudljive ili visceralne: one oživljavaju neke LEPE prizore, super izgledaju, i privlače pažnju na sebe svojom kompozicijom, bojama, itd. ali nemaju onu dinamiku i energiju i visceralnost koju scenama borbe daju oni koji znaju da ih režiraju (pekimpo... leone... džes franko... mct, kameron, verhoven...).

dakle, glede akcije, ovo će da bude fanboy wet-dream, pod uslovom da je fan-boy neprobirljivi stripoljubac niskih i neprofilisanih zahteva glede filma.

glede IDEOLOGIJE filma: wow, tek tu osećam da ću da budem zgađen do ivice bljuvanja/napuštanja sale (tj. vađenja divx diska).

ali, da mi se ne nasekira kunac, neću mnogo da pričam unapred, dok još nisam gledo film.
ovo su 'samo' hunchovi stvoreni na osnovu trejlera, i nekih 5 minuta filma...

jedno je van svake sumnje, i tu sam siguran da ću se složiti sa kuncem:
'svakako vredi pogledati'!  

obzirom da sam katastrofa s vremenom, samo da kazem da otprilike jednom u par godina vidim film koji me potpuno, total and utter osvoji... jedan od onih revolucionarnih... 300 je definitivno taj..... cije bioskopske karte ce naci pocasno mesto i u mom kovcegu najdrazih uspomena./... od kako znam za sebe

Hm, i ja ću rezervisati krajnji sud do nakon gledanja filma, ali predrasuda mi je uglavnom u harmoniji sa Ghoulovom... Strip 300 je zaista niz prelepih slika i prihvatljivo pulp prepričavanje legende o Leonidi i Spartancima i jedva čekam da uzmeme izdanje Belog Puta u ruke, ali videvši kako je Sin City ispao prilično embarrassing u filmskom obliku, nemam mnogo nade da će mi 300 biti drugačiji. Doduše, ovo nije režirao Miller, čak ni sa suvozačkog sedišta...

sve stoji sto kaze dragi ekspert Gul, ALI...
jeste da ja subjektivno kukam sto i to nije uradio moj dragi rodrigez, sve zajedno sa milerom na suvozackom sedistu, ali trejler je mnogo mocan!

According to WorldofKJ, not only will the film 300 exceed weekend tracking estimates of $30 to $35 million, it will come very close to doing so on Friday alone!

The site's users use various information to track a films performance, and currently project 300's Friday number to be OVER $20 million, with a possibility of $25 or even $30 million on Friday alone.

These numbers could mean a weekend haul of around $60 or $70 million.

Check back for more information in the afternoon as the Studio releases more detailed estimate

Quote from: "Ghoul"džes franko...

Ontopik - Baš sam pre logovanja na forum čitao neke komentare i recenzije o 300 i plašim se da ću morati da sačekam sa odgledavanjem jer ne volim kada mi negativni pred-utisci pokvare uživanje gledanja i u startu me usmere ka tome da mi se film ne svidi. A osećam da je krš. Aleksandra sam, npr, želeo da volim, a nisam uspeo. Čitam da su Grci nezadovoljni sa 300.

Quote from: "John Reynolds"Čitam da su Grci nezadovoljni sa 300.

sto? mozda preteranim fiction detaljima, meni je bas to nekako leglo.,... kad prorocica pada u trans, recimo....... pa onda prvi momenti borbe Spartana, slow motion u intervalima, vec vidjeno a opet neponovljivo fuckin dobro.......

eno se i neki persijanci žale po imdbu kako su negativno i netačno predstavljeni

uuu.. Persijanci su bili too gay, too fancy, too kitchy.. too much makeup

samo u petak film je zaradio oko 27,6 miliona!
do pre tri dana ljudi su prognozirali izmedju 25 i 35 za ceo vikend!

Hm, meni se trejler uopšte nije svideo, što ne mora ništa da znači; samo se nadam da nema toliko slow-motion scena u samom filmu...

uzalud se nadas.. ima ih dosta..... i ne razumem sta je tu lose.. ili mozda stvar ukusa

Quote from: "Black Mamba"uuu.. Persijanci su bili too gay, too fancy, too kitchy.. too much makeup

više nego što su to inače bili?
Mislila sam da je to nemoguće izvesti

Gledao sam "300" sinoc...interesantno je da su sva zakazana prikazivanja bila rasprodata. Zadnje je trebalo da bude u 23:00 casa ali zbog ogromnog interesovanja, bilo je je jos par, na svakih pola sata, do barem 1:00 posle ponoci.

Bez preteranog opisivanja filma, mogu reci da je najbolji sto sam video u bioskopu ove, 2007-e godine.

Razvalio je na blagajni, estimate je 70 miliona za prvi vikend...

Inače, ja se isto slažem sa Ghoulom u njegovim očekivanjima. Čini mi se da ovo neće biti film nego neki cirkus na tragu SIN CITY...

Zarada filma je totalna senzacija.
To niko nije mogao da pretpostavi ni u najludjim snovima.
Kao fenomen ostavio je i Borata iza sebe.

Sin City, sa kojim se uporedjuje, je ukupno zaradio  tih 70 miliona.
Za one koji su vikali da je Sin City buducnost, ovolike pare idu u prilog tome. U skorijoj buducnosti verovatno mozemo ocekivati gomilu ovakvih filmova, i to kao redovni output studija.
To znaci da ce se isti lakse odlucivati i za R rated etiketu.

Po onome sto sam cuo ovaj film ima veze sa trojom i ostalim istorisjkim spektaklima isto koliko i sa piratima sa kariba.
Mislim da  preterana stilizacija 300 svrstava u grupu  nekakvih fantasy spectacle , zajedno sa poterima, piratima, narnijom i ostalima, ali kao R verziju.
To  dokazuje da je ovakav tip filma, danas, ubedljivo najuspesniji.

Hehehe, moram da kažem da sam se prilično zabavio čitanjem kratkog komentara na film koji je okačio jake sa yeoldecomicbloga (http://yeoldecomicblogge.blogspot.com/)


Just saw 300 and I'm really surprised how much I enjoyed it considering I can name more than a dozen things I hated about it. The grainy image kept me wondering throughout whether something was wrong with the print or the projector. Why were the wolf's eyes incandescent? What's the deal with the fucking mutant freaks and monsters? After Leonidas's explanation of how the phalanx is the reason for the Spartan success in battle, why do the Spartans break ranks about four minutes into the battle and spend 99% of the movie doing Matrix-like moves against the Persians? If you were taking bribes to commit treason and were being paid in Persian coins, would you be stupid enough to carry them around with you wherever you went? What were they going for with Xerxes's voice? What were they going for with the scene between Leonidas and Xerxes that appears to have been shot as two separate pieces so the guy who plays Xerxes can be enlarged by 150%? Seriously, what's up with all the over-latexed monsters? Why couldn't the executioner just be a guy with an ax? Does his being a gigantic fat guy with not hands and feet and blades attached to his flippers enhance the movie in any way? Why are even the Immortals hideous freaks under their masks? And if you were god-king of half the world, wouldn't your concubines be the most beautiful women in the world? Why would you surround yourself with transsexuals and horribly scarred women?

Buahahahaha. Ovaj film će mi se ili jako dopasti ili će me oterati iz bioskopa...

Iran condemns Hollywood war epic  

One paper said Iranians' ancestors were shown as "dumb savages"
Historical war epic 300 has been criticised as an attack on Iranian culture by government figures.
The Hollywood film, which has broken US box office records, is an effects-laden retelling of a battle in which a small Greek army resisted a Persian invasion.

Javad Shamaqdari, a cultural advisor to Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, said it was "plundering Iran's historic past and insulting this civilization".

He branded the film "psychological warfare" against Tehran and its people.

But Iranian culture was strong enough to withstand the assault, Mr Shamaqdari insisted.

"American cultural officials thought they could get mental satisfaction by plundering Iran's historic past and insulting this civilization," he said.

"Following the Islamic Revolution in Iran, Hollywood and cultural authorities in the US initiated studies to figure out how to attack Iranian culture.

"Certainly, the recent movie is a product of such studies."

Daily newspaper Ayandeh-No carried the headline "Hollywood declares war on Iranians".

The film achieved the best ever March opening in North America
The paper said: "It seeks to tell people that Iran, which is in the Axis of Evil now, has for long been the source of evil and modern Iranians' ancestors are the ugly murderous dumb savages you see in 300."

Three MPs in the Iranian parliament have also written to the foreign ministry to protest against the production and screening of this "anti-Iranian Hollywood film".

The film has already proved a major box office hit in the US where it earned almost $71m (£36.8m) in its first weekend, making it the best ever March opening in North American cinemas.

This is not the first time Iran has protested over its portrayal in films made in the West.

There was outrage over the 2004 epic Alexander which showed the Macedonian general easily conquering the Persian Empire.

okrutno ce zvucati, ali ovog bih odmah vratila u rupu iz koje je izasao:
http://www.livescience.com/history/070312_300_movie.html

Ja ne bih. Nije loše istaći da 300 ima u namanju ruku problematičan odnos sa zvaničnom istorijom. To ga ne čini automatski lošim umetničkim delom, ali valja biti svestan rasističkog podteksta koji je delo autora (možda u nasojanju da prikaže kako Spartanci vide celu stvar).

Quote from: "Meho Krljic"Ja ne bih. Nije loše istaći da 300 ima u namanju ruku problematičan odnos sa zvaničnom istorijom. To ga ne čini automatski lošim umetničkim delom, ali valja biti svestan rasističkog podteksta koji je delo autora (možda u nasojanju da prikaže kako Spartanci vide celu stvar).

Ma ne bih ni ja, naravno. Svi treba da zive.
Ali ovo nije ni prvi, a ni poslednji TAKAV film (iako ja tesko da ga posmatram onako kako ga autor teksta posmatra).

Pa naravno da nije, ali to samo znači da za svaki takav film valja udariti appropriate komentar. Sad, razume se, 300 je prilično high profile i privlači više pažnje...

Film još nisam pogledao, pa ne mogu da komentarišem ali za sam strip treba uzimati vrlo ozbiljno u obzir da je njegova istorijska podloga izuzetno tanušna i da je Miller mnogo rađe sebi pustio na volju nego da se drži nekakve 'autentičnosti'. Strip je zato jedna, onako, jaka pubertetska fantazija koju spasava lep crtež i snaga teksta, e, sad, sumnjam da se to u film prenelo kako treba (već sam ovde guslao kako su film i strip mediji različitih jezika iako deluju vrlo srodno), ali to je samo predrasuda za sad...

Dati mitske dimenzije jednom običnom istorijskom događaju teško da je pubertetska fantazija, a rasistički podtekst i slične stvari vezane za ljude koji danas naseljavaju određene predele umišljaju ljudi ograničeni realističkim pogledom na svet i umetnost.

Vidim da ćemo se svađati. Biraj oružje, Aleks!!! Ja biram jako prokuvanu boraniju!!!

300 marinaca(od kojih general ima najtvrđi anglo akcenat) brani vrednosti zapadne civilizacije od muslimanske najezde koju predvodi Ahmedinedžad (Kserks je važio za najekstremnijeg od svih persijskih kraljeva) i to predvođen svojim bombašima samoubicama(Immortals).
Za autističnu američku publiku koja ne zna ni sopstvenu zemlju da pokaže na karti i za koju je Vavilon poznati disko klub,ovaj film je samo nova Matriks zabava,a ne samo još jedan dokaz kako savršeno sarađuju dve najmoćnije industrijske grane imperijalističke Amerike.
Uostalom,nije džabe Miler sa banditima iz Pentagona reklamirao Betmen specijal povodom 11.septembra.

Quote from: "EKSTREMISTA"Za autističnu američku publiku koja ne zna ni sopstvenu zemlju da pokaže na karti i za koju je Vavilon poznati disko klub,ovaj film je samo nova Matriks zabava

da, extremisto, da... donekle.

ali!

zaboravljas SUBLIMINALNI nivo! na subliminalnom nivou, ovo je bas to sto si rekao: militaristicki arijevci, odgojeni pod najstrozom disciplinom koju je svet poznavao (predstavljenom kao IDEAL kome treba teziti) brane svet od degena, mutanata i nakaza svih boja, samo ne bele.

U svakom slucaju film nije los (upravo sam pogledao) vredi pogledati mada po mom misljenju malko su preterali sa nakazama. U svakom slucaju dobra zabava.

Nije da menja mnogo na Ekstremistinoj poenti, zapravo on je to verovatno i originalno mislio samo kao način na koji publika percipira film, no, zlu ne trebalo da napomenem da Persijanci, jasno je, u ono vreme nisu bili muslimani, pošto islam još nije ni postojao.

Quote from: "Meho Krljic"Nije da menja mnogo na Ekstremistinoj poenti, zapravo on je to verovatno i originalno mislio samo kao način na koji publika percipira film, no, zlu ne trebalo da napomenem da Persijanci, jasno je, u ono vreme nisu bili muslimani, pošto islam još nije ni postojao.

Alah se još uvek držao inkognito u ono doba...

Pretpostavljam da je Miller hteo da napravi film koji ima malo fantastike u sebi (mozda je to nedostajalo Troji) poput Grckih mitova.

Pretpostavljam da nije tako jer Miller nije radio film već samo strip po kome je film napravljen. A strip nije 'fantastičan' ni u jednom uobičajenom smislu. Više je 'stilizovan'.

Baš kao što Meho reče za islam,zato i nisam napisao da je Kserks bio najveći fundamentalista od svih persijskih kraljeva da ne budem pogrešno shvaćen mada bi to bio najadekvatniji termin s obzirom na njegovu brutalnost i isključivost u tretiranju porobljenih naroda i njihove vere.

What made '300' a hit?
A perfect storm of factors -- some man-made, some beyond studio control -- made the action film a box office smash.
By Deborah Netburn, Times Staff Writer
March 13, 2007

- Giving '300' movie a comic-book grandeur
The box office gurus expected "300" to do well over the weekend, but not $70 million well -- a record for a movie opening in March.

"This was way beyond everyone's expectations," said Brandon Gray, who founded the website Box Office Mojo. "We're all trying to figure out how this movie became a phenomenon."

There was every reason for "300" to flop -- no big-name stars (although Gerard Butler is now decidedly on the map), an R rating, a historical story and, before the weekend, Warner Brothers tracking found that there was only 68% public awareness of the film.

So how did "300" become the biggest film ever to open in March, set the record for best opening weekend for IMAX screens, and earn the third-biggest opening for an R-rated film? The answer lies in a perfect storm of factors -- some man-made, some entirely beyond the control of Warner Brothers' savvy marketing department.

The consensus seems to be that this movie was a success because of its specific and arresting visuals. "Warner Brothers had this with the 'Matrix' in 1999," said Gray. "That was another movie that was sold on its unique look."

Before San Diego Comic-Con last year, "300" wasn't on anybody's radar. "Before we went we all made a list of which panels we were most excited for and nobody said '300,'" said Berge Garabedian who runs the fanboy website Joblo.

But he and his staff dutifully attended a panel on "300" along with several hundred other "early adapters." They listened as Zack Snyder, Gerard Butler and some special effects guys spoke about the film. Then they saw some clips.

"Each and every person in that room was blown away," said Garabedian. "It was slow motion, it was so visual, it wasn't real. When it was over somebody actually asked them to show the clips again, and I've never seen that happen at a panel before."

When Garabedian returned from Comic-Con he began hyping the movie on his site and he wasn't the only one. "Everybody was talking about it," he said.

Fanboy buzz is not enough to sell a film -- "Snakes on a Plane," anyone? -- but Garabedian points out that while the online community was obsessively talking about "Snakes" they were ultimately making fun of it. The people who were driving the chatter around "300" were genuinely excited about the film, especially the way it looked. And after Comic-Con, Warner Bros. marketing department made sure that the fanboys got the usual dribs and drabs of movie art and trailers just to keep their excitement up.

The marketing folks also took full advantage of MySpace. There was of course the requisite MySpace page for the film (now standard for all movies) -- featuring a ferocious looking muscle man in a metal helmet plus tons of video clips, wallpapers and links to the film's official website. But the stroke of genius came when the studio sponsored a feature upgrade to the site that told users they could store 300 photos on their profile thanks to the movie "300." (Previously the limit had been 12). That started Jan. 2 and was incredibly popular with teens. The result was billions of ad impressions and 8 million viewings of the trailer. Is it any wonder that the 52% of the people who saw "300" were under 25?

There are also mundane reasons "300" might have done well. A generally warm weekend across the country encouraged people to get out of the house and brave long lines, and no other major film was released against "300," so it didn't have much competition. And while the critics have been lukewarm on the film -- faulting it for poor dialogue and a thin story -- nobody has said anything negative about the visuals. And to a generation of kids who have grown up with the lush worlds of video games, "300" was a familiar visual masterpiece.

"I honestly think the film's success is based on the visuals," said Garabedian. "People are not coming out of the movie saying it's the best movie they ever saw, but they are completely blown away by the visuals."

In fact, "300" became so successful that kids who define themselves by their underground tastes -- the target market for this film -- decided the movie is too mainstream. Although originally psyched to see "300," 20-year-old Atlanta native Justin Scharf decided it had gotten too mainstream. "The biggest theater in Atlanta had three midnight screenings on Thursday night and they were all sold out," he said. "And after getting bombarded with advertising on MySpace I lost interest in it before I saw it," he said.

Blah... znači, it boils down to: uspešno otvaranje jer je imao dobru mysace strategiju i dobre slow motion efekte... I posle se čovek pita zašto nam sve ide naopako...

Ja koliko znam na ekonomiji postoji neki predmet koji se bavi definisanjem proizvoda kojim trguješ. Za razliku od naših distributera, koji su mentalno na nivou publike, američki jako dobro znaju koji proizvod prodaju.

Oni prodaju dvočasovno sedenje na nekom mestu gde se prikazuje neki film u dobrim tehničkim uslovima. Oni prodaju iskustvo gledanja filma koji gledalac koji ga kupuje nije gledao, dakle prodaju robu pre nego što je gledalac okusi, i ono što mu daju da okusi su jasno definisani stimulusi. Uostalom, odavno se mnogo manje testiraju filmovi a više trejleri, pošto u suštini nije bitno kako ti se film dopao nego da li bi ga gledao, a to više zavisi od trejlera nego od samog filma.

U tom smislu sve se svodi na neke dosta mračne i prozaične okolnosti spram umetničke tajne, bolne i neizrecive, koju još uvek, iako više nema razloga za to, vezujemo za film.

Haha, jeste, bolna ali dobra analiza. Ja sam definitivno stuck u nekom prošlom vremenu po ovom pitanju, hehehe i uzgajam neke nepodnošljivo romantične predrasude.

>> The shape of things to come <<
       Film promotion gets a second life

   The Iranian media has suddenly got narky about
   the movie of Frank Miller's 300, based on the
   graphic-novels detailing the Battle of
   Thermopylae in 480 BC, where the city-states
   of Greece banded together to back the Spartans
   and see off the huge invading Persian Army.

   300's producers have cleverly decided to launch
   its major international promotion in Second Life,
   rather than the real world. On 300 island, a
   giant outdoor cinema showing clips from the
   film to avatars has been built, along with an
   exact recreation of one of the sets. Miller is
   currently in US recovering from a broken hip but
   will appear live in Second Life on Friday for a Q&A.


http://slurl.com/secondlife/Silverscreen/127/98/33/

Dobar!

Postoje elementi koji su dosta "nabudzeni", ali kako uvek imam u vidu da je istorijski dogadjaj samo inspiracija, a da je osnova graficka novela, onda mogu da progutam te neke sitnice.
Ovako film izgleda mocno, a takvog bi ga i sami Spartanci zeleli.

.....and Queen Gorgo is Gorgeous........

Quote from: "Lord Grejstok"Dobar!

Postoje elementi koji su dosta "nabudzeni", ali kako uvek imam u vidu da je istorijski dogadjaj samo inspiracija, a da je osnova graficka novela, onda mogu da progutam te neke sitnice.
Ovako film izgleda mocno, a takvog bi ga i sami Spartanci zeleli.

Spartanci bi bili zadovoljni ovim ostvarenjem, ali izgleda da Iranci nisu mogli svariti americki prikaz epskih dogodovstina "vojnicki disciplinovanih" 300.

Retko ko je zadovoljan americkim prikazima nekih istorijskih dogadjaja tako da o tome ne vredi ni pricati.
Samo se nadam da sire narodne mase na zapadu nece zaboraviti da je Persijsko carstvo bilo jedno od najmocnijih u istoriji i da je imalo prave velikane na prestolu narocito iz dinastije Velikih Ahemenida - Kir II Veliki, Kambis, Darije I.

Ali film kao film je dobar i gledljiv.

Hvala mambo, baš skupljam ženske profile.

samo slike ili kompletne profile? ako mene pitas, u prvom slucaju zenski profil je prilicno supalj.... ako zena nije pametna, ponosna, gorda, jaka, verna/odana, skromna.. dzaba joj sva lepota..... imho, lik Kraljice Gorgo u filmu ima sve sto jedna zena treba da ima

Quote from: "Black Mamba"ako zena nije pametna, ponosna, gorda, jaka, verna/odana, skromna.. dzaba joj sva lepota.....

 Holy shit!!! Sva sreća da su većini nas kriterijumi znatno niži