Pivo

[M.M]

Evo šta dobih na mejl od mog drugara Scallopa. Fotka usnimljena u Ajdahu, koja kaže da i u Minesoti ima nekog Beograda.

[scallop]

Jelena mi dokazala da ima beogradskog piva u SAD.

[scallop]

Pardon, izvinte. Loše sam pročitao etiketu - Belgrade, Montana.

[Barbarin]

Pivo je zdravo

[Mark]

Ljudi, ponesen ovim vrucinama ovih dana gustiram pivo i proverio sam piva ZAJECARSKO, MERAK i MASTER.

Ni jedno nije loše, a sva su znatrno jeftinija od glavne dve marke:

Zaječarsko (Hajneken group) je vrlo dobro pivo (i to u staroj zidarskoj  flaši) - 41 dinar
Merak (Carlsberg) je takodje  vrlo dobro (sa lepom i sisatom ženom na etiketi) - 41 dinar
Master (Hajneken group) 46 dinara - dobro pivo, nekadašnje MB ako se ne varam 

Sva tri su relativno laka piva (teško hvataju), dušu dalo za leto, samo ih dobro rashladite i ide to ...

[Kimura]

Sada ću da izazovem prezir svih vas, okorelih pivopija : obožavam pivo sa ukusom limuna (ne baš svako, Jelen mi se ne dopada), grejpa, borovnice...  Pivo sa ukusom piva, ma kakvo da je, nikada mi nije bilo nešto naročito, pogotovo ako je svetlo.
Uopšte, kad je o alkoholu reč, imam izrazito šmizlast ukus. Volim vino, likere i sve neke slične pišaboze.

[M.M]

Šmizlasta piva, sviđa mi se termin. Kimura, ženskima je dozvoljeno da piju takva piva... kad vidiš muškarca s flašom šmizlastog piva na stolu, mora da bude sto, jer takvi piju to pivo iz čaše, e, od takvog beži glavom bez obzira, od takvih nema vajde, da ti ja kažem, a pravog muškarca ćeš prepoznati po tome što pod obavezno pivo drži u rukama i pije ga nikako drugačije nego iz flaše! O podrigivanju ne bih, mada je ono obavezno i poželjno.

[Barbarin]

 

[Agota]

Guy finds his house plumbed with beer

[Meho Krljic]

Amazonian  Beer Drinking Networks Revealed by Anthropologists

The way the Tsimane tribe of the northern Amazon host beer drinking events offers important clues about the nature of their society, say anthropologists

The indigenous Tsimane hunter-gatherers of the northern Amazon are probably the best studied native community in the world. About ten years ago, a team of US researchers began a decade-long research program to better understand the way these people develop, evolve and socialise as part of a unique farmer-forrager community .

The so-called Tsimane Health and Life History Project has thrown up some fascinating insights into the hunter-gatherer lifestyle. Last year, for example, the team revealed that the Tsimane (prounounced chee-MAH-nay) do not succumb in the same way as westerners to heart problems as they age. A fining that led the researchers to conclude that cardiovascular disease is probably a phenomenon of modern societies.

Now the same group has analysed the social network that exists within this society to study one of the great puzzles of evolutionary theory—the emergence of altruism. Why do people sometimes help others at their own expense?

Altruism is difficult to reconcile with the idea of the selfish gene—that behind every act is the ulterior motive of increasing the chances of reproduction at the expense of others. Theorists have developed a number of models to explain the conditions in which one person might consider it advantageous to help another. The question is whether these theories bear any relationship to reality.

Today, Hillard Kaplan at the University of New Mexico in Albuquerque and a few pals say they've gained a unique insight into this question by studying beer drinking networks in a Tsimane village in lowland Bolivia.

The key idea here is that hosting a beer drinking party involves a significant investment in time and resources. So when one family hosts another, what kind of obligation does this place on the guests to return the favour?

There are some 11,000 Tsimane people in about 90 villages in the forested region between the foothills of the Andes and the wetland-savannas of the Llanos de Moxos. Kaplan and co studied the beer drinking culture in one village of about 200 people made up of 35 families.

Beer drinking events are an important part of Tsimane culture. They prepare beer from manioc, a kind of sweet potato. The manioc is peeled, sliced and boiled in water over an open fire for several hours.

The mixture is then poured into wooden pots to ferment, a process helped along by the Tsimane themselves who chew the boiled vegetable and spit it into the mix. The fermentation lasts up to 6 days and produces a beer that is up to 4 per cent alcohol.

Clearly, hosting a beer drinking event requires a significant investment in time and resources. At these parties. the Tsimane consume the beer from a single hollowed gourd which is passed around until empty. These events build social and familial ties and the guests often return the favour at a later date.

The data gathering for these events isn't entirely straightforward. Kaplan and co's approach was to interview people over a 16 week period, asking them who hosted these events and who attended. That allowed Kaplan and co to construct a network linking guests and hosts for each event and to record how these favours were later returned, a phenomenon that anthropologists call reciprocity.

The team then looked for correlations between the rate of hosting and other data such as the distance that people had to travel to the events and to kinship, whether the hosts and guests were closely related

The results show a good deal of reciprocity in Tsimane society. For example, distance and kinship are good indicators of how often one family hosts another. In other words, the Tsimane are more likely to host close neighbours and close family than other people.

That's just as the researchers expected. There is a clear evolutionary benefit in helping family members and in maintaining good relations with close neighbours.

But the results also throw up a puzzle: the Tsimane also host unrelated families and people from much further away than expected, at a rate that is difficult to explain. And these unexpected beer hosting favours are often, but not always, returned much more quickly than with close family or neighbours, usually within three days or so.

Kaplan and co speculate that these events are triggered by other kinds of favours that they were unable to record in their survey—things like help in the fields, help with food preparation, mate searches or help with political matters.

These are all key aspects of complex societies that must be carefully managed to gain the greatest the benefit.

That will sound familiar to many readers who will undoubtedly have their own beer drinking networks. While the details and timescales may vary from one culture to another, the same factors underlie reciprocity in this culture as in the one you're probably familiar with. And therein lies a fascinating lesson.

Ref: arxiv.org/abs/1307.0516: Dynamical Structure of a Traditional Amazonian Social Network

[divča]

E bre, a ja reko ti će preporučiš neko pivo, ono opet nauka -- pomalo redukcionistička za moj pivopijski okus.

[Meho Krljic]

Pa, ja, ne pijem nikakav alkohol, kao što se zna, tako da bi od moje preporuke bila slaba vajda (mada, evo, belgijski Red Devil je dobro pivo i sigurno je zdrav jer ima unutra i voćke, pa to malo izbalansira štetno dejstvo 9% alkohola  ). Ali mislio sam da bi ova naučna priča bila draga pivopijama jer veli da je pivo socijalno kohezivni agens.

[Barbarin]

E Divčo, vidiš sa kakvim se predznanjem ide u kafanu  

znam Meho da ne piješ, hvala na tekstu

[džin tonik]

bozic, najljepse doba godine, se blizi! a festa se svaki dan!

[džin tonik]

cokoladno-trpko. preporuka.

[Barbarin]

 

[džin tonik]

 
bio sam u trgovini koja se hvali da ima nekoliko tisuca vrsta piva u ponudi. i nisu pretjerali. no skoro da nisam odmakao od belgijskog i irskog + limit do 8% alkohola. ali polako, sljedeci su na redu 10-20%. ne mogu biti gora od tomislava. a onda azijati.

[Barbarin]

Gde je taj raj?

[pokojni Steva]

Jel' imaju Binki, Sod i Plop?

[džin tonik]

nalaze se u nj kod frankfurta, u stvari, tvrde da imaju najveci izbor na svijetu. nekoliko tisuca m² i sve pivo, pivo, pivo...
ne znam imaju li ta 3, provjerim sljedeci put. mislim, stvarno vidjeh svakakvih cuda, namibija, ghana, nepal, peru, mongolija, filipini, tanzanija, tahiti...

[tomat]

Jel' imaju Binki, Sod i Plop?

to samo u Kruni.

[-_-]

Jel' imaju Binki, Sod i Plop?

to samo u Kruni.

Binki bese indonezansko, Sod bugarsko, a Plop rusko... 

[džin tonik]

Ja mislio Sod skandinavsko, Plop njemacko - Flensburger, a Binki upitno.

[scallop]

I Dab je dobar.

[Mark]

Dok pijem slovačko Smädný mních pivo, razmišljam šta li toče u limenke Dobro piva? (ako se ne varam, Dobro je brend Dis lanca prodavnica)

[Barbarin]

Video sam to, al me mrzelo da pogledam.

[Kimura]

šta li toče u limenke Dobro piva?

Можда нема баш никакве везе, али њихове чоколадне бананице су грозне.

[tomat]

Dok pijem slovačko Smädný mních pivo, razmišljam šta li toče u limenke Dobro piva? (ako se ne varam, Dobro je brend Dis lanca prodavnica)

Ne znam za Dobro, ali mi se čini da 365 pivo koje je maksijeva robna marka proizvodi Union pivara iz Slovenije.

[Barbarin]

Pisalo je da je iz Belgije to Deleze pivo.

[scallop]

Pijte Zaječarsko dok je dobro. Kod nas sve umeju da naprave, ali i da pokvare.

[Barbarin]

Pijte Zaječarsko iz Zaječara, to je stara flaša, zidarska, sve ostalo se puni u NS.

[tomat]

Pisalo je da je iz Belgije to Deleze pivo.

možda sam ga pomešao sa Ideinim, to je valjda Kplus

[Alexdelarge]

[scallop]

Pa, posle nemojte da tražite azil u Nemačkoj.

[Ugly MF]

Pijte Zaječarsko iz Zaječara, to je stara flaša, zidarska, sve ostalo se puni u NS.

Hehe, Ja sam iz Zajecara i dalje zivim u njemu i tvrdim odgovorno, samo to zidarsko, staklenac , pola litre!
Nista plastikaneri od 2 litra!!!

[Barbarin]

Za Srbiju brojka nije dobra, što se tiče mape.

[Meho Krljic]

Prekomerno penjenje piva će uskoro biti rešeno uz pomoć magneta!!!!!!!!!!!!!


No more foamy beer, thanks to magnets

Few sights at a bar are more deflating than a bottle of beer overflowing with foam. This overfoaming, called gushing, arises when fungi infect the barley grains in beer's malt base. The microorganisms latch onto barley with surface proteins called hydrophobins. During the brewing process, these hydrophobins can attract carbon dioxide molecules produced by the mashed barley as it ferments, making the beer far too bubbly. Brewers try to tamp down the gushing by adding hops extract, an antifoaming agent that binds to the proteins first. Now, food scientists in Belgium have hit upon a technological solution: magnets. When the team applied a magnetic field to a malt infused with hops extract, the magnets dispersed the antifoaming agent into tinier particles. Those smaller particles were much more effective at binding to more hydrophobins, blocking carbon dioxide and decreasing gushing, the team will report next month in the Journal of Food Engineering. During tests in a real brewery, the magnets decreased excess foaming so effectively that brewers needed much lower amounts of hops extract—a potential cost-saving measure. Future studies could explore whether magnetic fields alone could reduce foaming on an industrial scale, the team says.

[Barbarin]

Fantastična serija o pivu, odgledao sam 3 epizode iz treće sezone. Čini mi se da ima i na youtube nekoliko ako ne i sve epizode.

Brew Dogs - Trailer

[Dybuk]

Pivoooo

Probala na Beer festu Flensburger, odusevilo me. Inace, Staropramen i Badvajzer najcesce. Neko vreme sam uzivala u Steli Artoa.
Jelen ne volim, Zajecarsko, Lav...hmmm not really.
Inace, probala sam u Berlineru nekoliko vrsta raznih piva sa dodacima i ukusima nije to za mene, kol'ko ni ljute kobasice s dzemom i slatkim senfom.

[дејан]

ердингер и мемингер (пшенична), бадвајзер и дувел а од домаћих ниједно - сва су одвратна

[Dybuk]

Tru det. Domaca su grozna.

Za mene samo lager, ne podnosim psenicno i nefiltrirano. Ni crno ne volim, imam osecaj da, hmm veceram a ne osvezavam napitkom

[tomat]

pšenična volem, al su skupa. bila neka akcija u Maksiju za Stelu, pa sam to konzumiro neko vreme. a nemam ništa ni protiv Lava, Jelen mi nešto ne prija, zadaje mi glavobolje.

[Dybuk]

Stela se pokvarila, evo vec neko vreme. Mada, akcije su zakon!

Bila juce u Savamali, cudo sveta, neki dzez (meh), tranzit saobracaja u punom jeku, kamioni autobusi automobili motori; kakva losa organizacija iventa- nemam reci! I standici sa pivom, kao mini bir fest. Epilog: necu se ja piva napiti u Berlineru
Uzela toceni Amstel na drugom mestu, i vece spaseno

[Father Jape]

Poznanica prokomentarisa kako sve to što se juče moglo kupiti može i inače u Berlineru, a to što nisu zatvorili ulicu je dodatni javašluk.

I mi smo se zadržali jedno pet minuta pa zapalili drugde.

[Mark]

Nikako da stignem da popijem ovaj novi Weifert, je li čemu?
Inače sam celo leto na Zaječarskom, pivo kida koliko je dobro! Samo je bezveze što ga nema po kafanama, sve su umislile da su previše fensi za zidarsku flašu ...

[scallop]

Ako je moje mišljenje ičemu, Weifert i Dunđerski su zanimljiva piva, a glavna odlika im je da su malo gruba. Odnosno, nedostaje profinjenost kojom raspolažu neka uhodanija piva. Sve u svemu, rado bi ga pili rednecks u SAD.

[Berserker]

Zajecarsko rado piju Nemci koji dodju ovde, za mene je to najbolje domace pivo. Moze da se nosi bez problema sa vecinom "uvoznih" marki.

[Barbarin]

U maxiju ima na akciji nekoliko piva, duvel, chimay, ottinger, ono neko na Gr a nije grifon, mislim i da je badvajzer u limenci na akciji.

[Barbarin]

i još Mytos, ginis, stela, beks, bavaria u limenkama i neka nemačka tri različita u flašicama

[scallop]

Duvel i Chimay su OK. Ginis nije baš letnje pivo. Mythos i Bavaria su treća liga.