True Detective

[Ghoul]

Pa pogledaj zadnje dve ili tri epizode. Ništa se ionako ne dešava i ne objašnjava, sem na kraju. Prvih pet epizoda komotno preskoči.

čekaj, ti OZBILJNO oćeš da me nateraš da gledam OVO?
What Exactly Is Going On in True Detective Season 2? An Excruciatingly Clear Plot Breakdown.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2015/08/03/true_detective_season_two_a_guide_to_the_plot_of_this_confusing_season.html?wpsrc=sh_all_dt_tw_top

pa nema bre te sile u svemiru koja će me naterati da se podvrgnem ovoj orgiji totalne nezanimljivosti i debilstva!
uostalom, sve mi je bilo jasno o dometima ove sezone još pre prve polovine prve epizode...

znači, ZDRRRAVO!

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Fora je što šou i nema nikakav plot. Samo se pravi da ima.

A dijalozi su maestralno smeće u fazonu "Everything is fucking".   



Gde ćeš više? Fejk radnja, ultra-nasilje i debilni dialozi. Vrhunski treš! Što ja od početka govorim.


But here – after watching last night's episode, "Black Maps and Motel Rooms" – is another idea: The show is just too damn violent. Indeed, this season of "True Detective" seems to use violence as a crutch, as a way to cover holes in the storytelling.

The big shootout in episode four, for instance, was technically sharp, and some viewers saw it as a means for bringing the ailing season back to life. But between Frank's (Vince Vaughn) penchant for beating up and killing people in fits of rage, the appearance of a gruesome disfigured body, the aforementioned shootout — which left how many civilians dead? — and last night's episode of violence between Paul (Taylor Kitsch) and his old security team, we've seen an enormous amount of bloodshed over the course of just seven episodes.

And this is not even to mention the way Ani (Rachel McAdams) killed a security guard at the orgy last week, an act of self-defense that also introduced another hidden motive by way of a flashback to the sexual abuse she suffered as a child. ("I've been waiting my whole life for that," she said of the killing. "I think I even went looking for it.") As the New York Times puts it: "It's a sign of how perfunctory violence has become on TV that it felt innovative to have a character actually struggle with the emotional toil of it."

http://www.salon.com/2015/08/03/true_detectives_biggest_problem_is_its_obsession_with_extreme_violence/

Apologies if these thoughts on last night's penultimate episode of True Detective come off as disjointed and confusing, though that would be a fitting homage to this entire season, but man, this show is a marvelous disaster. That lousy first episode was a sign of things to come.

The second season of Nic Pizzolatto's nut-flexing noir adventure started off softly and now has a plot resembling a ball of tangled Christmas lights in the garage.

...

Honestly and unironically, this season of True Detective has been glorious. Remember complaining about how the first season, full of esoteric references and actual depth, was wrapped up a little too tidily? There are only 90 minutes left to make all this make sense. Let's hope it doesn't happen. 

http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/let-true-detectives-total-absurdity-wash-all-over-you-1721692194

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The show is just too damn violent

Stvarno?   

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Ma, 'di bre. Svašta.

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Pa dobro. Detektiv je takođe lepa serija sa poukom za mlade.

Naprimer, najveća pouka cele serije jeste:

Lessons From 'True Detective': Don't Leave Important Paperwork Unattended During An Orgy

U protivnom, sve ode k vragu.

[Dybuk]

Heh, ok sad ozbiljno, ovo 'extreme violence' stvarno nije validan niti precizan argument.
Bas sam gledala, TD je TV-MA rated (mature audience), sto je u svetu serija koliko sam shvatila ekvivalent R rated.

Evo kakav je rejting TD u pojedinim zemljama

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Pa, zavisi šta ti je merilo. Uporedi sa drugim kriminalističkim/pandurskim serijama i videćeš da jeste ekstremno nasilna, tj. krv lipti na sve strane, mrtvaci sa sprženim očnim dupljama kiselinom, napuštene kolibe sa krvavim stolicama. Svaki čas neko nasilje. Te Rej vošti Piltora. Te, Ani kolje po orgijama. Te se pandurska kola zapaljuju bez ikakve potrebe i logike. Te Frenk muči lika da sazna gde je nestla meksikanka (da li je za tom scenom zaista bilo potrebe?)

Missim, nije uobičajen dekor za pandursku seriju. Plus je sve na to dodatno mračno i depresivno, beživotno.

Mada, ako uporediš sa prosečnim horor filmomom, u pravu si, nije dovoljno nasilno.

[Dybuk]

A ako uporedim sa (nama dragom) Game of Thrones? 

Prosecan horor film je danas Annabelle, Ouija, Insidious, Woman in Black - slaba vajda

No dobro, sve je relativno.

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A ako uporedim sa (nama dragom) Game of Thrones? 

Pa meni su tu negde po nasilju (uzimam u obzir da GoT ipak duže traje i takmiči se sama sa sobom da prebaci nasilje iz prošle sezone), mada ne i po nasilju nad ženama. Plus, GoT i dalje ubedljivo vodi što se pornografskih elemenata tiče.

[Dybuk]

Nije to pornografija vec erot'ka!

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živ je peško!


Michael Lombardo told the Television Critics Association last week that he would be interested in doing a season 3 of "True Detective." Would you be up for rejoining the way Ryan Murphy brings back actors for his "American Horror Story" installments?

If Nic Pizzolatto is involved, absolutely.
http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/true-detective-taylor-kitsch-paul-dead-1201555764/

[tomat]

jbg, kad je Rast preživeo ono klanje iz prve sezone, što neće škope da preživi nekoliko metaka?

[Dybuk]

što neće škope da preživi nekoliko metaka?

...ukljucujuci i 'dabl tep'.

To mi je palo na pamet juce, sta ako je ziv? Meh

Happy endings

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To mi je palo na pamet juce, sta ako je ziv? Meh

Meni je zapravo palo.

Ne vidim nikakav smisao ni nikakav veliki plan u tome da Pol umre.

Then again, ne vidim nikakav smisao ni plan ni u bilo čemu drugom vezano za ovu sezonu. 


Inače, sajt Pajiba, koja je i pokrenula fenomen zvan "who the hell is Sten in True Detective" napravila je intervju sa, heh, glumcem.


http://www.pajiba.com/true_detective/an-interview-with-the-actor-who-plays-stan-on-true-detective-ronnie-gene-blevins.php


Naravno, "Sten" priča i o Picolatu:


Did you get to spend any time with Nic Pizzolatto? If so, how was it working with him? Is he as intense as he seems?

I spent very little time with Nic. He was very kind to me during what little time we spent together.


Do you think that was intentional on Pizzolatto's part, to confuse us? Or do you think he trusted that the audience would remember a character who had barely been seen onscreen?

Nic is a smart, smart dude. Whatever reason he has for making what's seemingly an underdeveloped character so integral to the whole season is probably pretty clever. Maybe he's commenting on how little we really know those we hold important to us. Shit. Who knows? Maybe he's simply an unfleshed-out character. Knowing what we know of Nic, I imagine he has some pretty smart logic behind everything he did with Stan.


Fascinantno da neko u Holivudu još uvek smatra da je Picolato pametan, pa bio to neko iz glavešina HBO ili sitni glumčić ko taj "Sten" koga, eto, nigde ni nevidimo ali je pun vere da je sve to pametno do zla boga i prepuno smisla. 

[Dybuk]

Nemam nista protiv zivog Pola, ali ako si namerio da ga ubijes, neka ostane mrtav. To bi bio 2. put u ovoj sezoni da koristi isti trik, a vec prezalila coveka
Prosto, ne bi bilo lose imati petlju da ubijes ponekog od glavnih likova ako si vec krenuo ka tome...dva puta.

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Kič govori o 3. sezoni bre

[Dybuk]

Pa tako reci. Sad mi je lakse.

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Nemam nista protiv zivog Pola, ali ako si namerio da ga ubijes, neka ostane mrtav. To bi bio 2. put u ovoj sezoni da koristi isti trik, a vec prezalila coveka
Prosto, ne bi bilo lose imati petlju da ubijes ponekog od glavnih likova ako si vec krenuo ka tome...dva puta.

Pa, realno, ako ga je ubio, mnogo se zeznuo jer je čitav taj arč sa Polom poprilično besmislen.

Sva ta istraga koju Pol vrši je mogla biti prebačena ili na Reja ili na Ani.

Bukvalno ni za šta nije potreban jedan takav lik.

Da ne govorim da je Pol dat kao težak kliše samomrzećeg geja u ormaru.

Plus, njegova veza sa onim ljubavnikom, pa način na koji zaverenici dolaze do njihovih zajedničkih snimaka, preturajući po stvarima pokojnog Diksona... pa ga onda stalkuju, šaljući mu fotke na mobilni (kakav dečiji zaplet, što jednostavno nisu trejsovali njegov mobilni), a ljubavnik im se pridružuje... ono, glupavo do bola sve to... svako je povezan sa svakim, na kraju vidimo i da Rejev šef radi sa njima...

Ako je Picolato hteo da prikaže neku tešku konspiraciju preko Pola, napravio je samo smehotres i totalni treš...

A šta je ostalo sem toga.. majka koju glumi Lolita Davidović, isto jedan besmislen lik i trudna devojka da patetiše i oplakuje Pola...


Kakve sve to ima bilo kakve veze sa ostalim delom radnje?

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Pa tako reci. Sad mi je lakse.

pa može da se vrati kao gej zombi!

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treća sezona mora biti sa zombijima, realno

[Dybuk]

 

Lola i verenica su eye candies. Koliko dobro izgleda Lolita, zena ima 54 godine.

[Karl Rosman]

Pa tako reci. Sad mi je lakse.

pa može da se vrati kao gej zombi!

"Kako je majka mogla???" (TLN/Kejltin - GoT)

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Ne znam ko je pokrenuo tu priču ali zombi sezona je fora još od Losta. Znači, bukvalno sve fore kupe od njih: bauljanje u mraku, nabacavanje novih elementa zapleta, zombi sezona... koliko odsustvo bilo kakve imaginacije ima taj Picolato, koji sve krade od drugih...

http://www.tv.com/shows/lost/forums/zombie-season-11431-724863/

"the 'zombie season' is an ongoing joke among the producers, damon and carlton. they say that season 7 will be the zombie season in their podcasts. it's just a joke implying that it would be stupid for them to go draw out the series longer than nessesary, because it would lead to stupid story lines, like zombie stories."

[Usul]

Za razliku od sezone 2 koja uopste nije glupa...

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sezona 2 je fantastična!

Picolato!

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Dok su kritike sve bolje (u rangu prvih epizoda druge sezone):

Sezona 1: svi kritičari 85%, top kritičari 81%, gledaoci  97%
100%, 100%, 100%, 93%, 100%, 58%, 91%, 81%

Sezona 2: svi kritičari 65%, top kritičari rotten 59%, gledaoci 73%
76%, 86%, 77%, rotten 52%, rotten 54%, 74%, 83%

...dotle gledaoci sve više gube interes za seriju, tj. gledanost u polufinalu je dotakla novo dno:

finale 1 sezone: 3.52
2 sezona ep1: 3.17
2 sezona ep2: 3.05
2 sezona ep3: 2.62
2 sezona ep4: 2.36
2 sezona ep5: 2.42
2 sezona ep6: 2.34
2 sezona ep7: 2.18

3.52 >> 3.17 > 3.05 >> 2.62 > 2.36 < 2.42 > 2.32 >> 2.18

U odnosu na finale prošle sezone, najgledaniju epizodu cele serije, serija je na gubitku od 1,340,000 gledalaca. Što je više od 61% trenutnih gledalaca.

Evo kako to izgleda grafički:

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Bato, još pet dana do debakla od finala.

Pošto si mesecima svesno obmanjivao ljude i branio neodbranjivo, pokazivao odsustvo zdravog razuma i ukusa, vreme je da zaboraviš prozivke Linkina koji je sve vreme u pravu i spremaš se za sveopšti opravdani gnev širokih narodnih masa!

Tj, vreme ti je da iskopaš rupu u pesku i iz sramote zabiješ glavu.

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"Alooooo HBO, zašto se ukinuli Detektiva?

Pala gledanost ispod očekivanog, kažete?

Nemoguće! Pa nije mi Pink javio...!" 


http://youtu.be/Cbb-41czSKs

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[Karl Rosman]

Zavidim ti...


Cuujkeeeeeebreeee!!!!! Smrc, smrc.

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Zavidim ti...


Cuujkeeeeeebreeee!!!!! Smrc, smrc.

Eh. Imaš na čemu, moj Rosmane.

Divan je Bata. Primerak. All muscle, almost no brains.

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Inače, ne samo što je gej možda živ, već mu je i 'drugar' možda živ.









Nema trajno mrtvih kod Picolata. Popio Miguel malo gumene municije za riote u facu i već se bolje oseća.

Sad je sve jasno: Tig Dikson je živ i on je ubica!

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[cujkebr]

Zavidim ti...


Cuujkeeeeeebreeee!!!!! Smrc, smrc.

Sisaj majmune

[cujkebr]

Zavidim ti...


Cuujkeeeeeebreeee!!!!! Smrc, smrc.

Sisaj majmune

Izvadi me vise iz usta ...

[Karl Rosman]

Tu si! Dobro je...uplasi me, bre.

Sta se desava? Opet si mi agresivan. Je l mogu nekako da pomognem druze?

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Frank, Ray and Ani weigh their options as Caspere's killer and the scope of corruption is revealed.

http://youtu.be/YTCfuUOv3H4

[singerica]

Teško njesra ovaj tru ditektiv..

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romans se brzo vratio antipicolatizmu i ostalim satanizmima!

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da citiram jednog hejtera

''If episode 8 sucks, then I'm absolutely done with watching season 2!''

Picolato!

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interesantna odbrana druge sezone. Manje-više sve je diskutabilno sem tačke 6.

Reasons why Season 2 is better than Season 1

1. - better and bolder casting choices. McConaughey may be in his finest hour, award-wise, but he has always had the acting ability of a tuna sandwich. Same thing for Woody Harrelson who let's not forget was at the outer wilderness and for good reason, professionally, after failing to capitalize on the success of Natural Born Killers and before this series. And Michelle Monaghan is not even an actress proper. On the other hand, Vince Vaughn and Rachel McAdams would've seemed the last people one would think of for those roles and they're pulling them off admirably.

2. - references less obvious. It may still be a rehash of known sources, but at least it doesn't look like an overblown Red Riding trilogy remake.

3. - plot more realistic and closer to a proper thriller, no unnecessary supernatural elements. The Cthulhu Mythos angle was gratuitous for Lovecraft fans like me (adding up to a trite plot device and a brief hallucination by Rust) and incomprehensible for the rest of the population.

4. - aesthetics are sounder and less affected. The first season looked like an overfiltered music video full of well-dressed anti-heroes offering their best profile to the camera with their beady eyes and their fatalistic mien. It almost looked like an autumn ad for Debenhams. Season 2 knows its place and doesn't try to look any nicer than it is. In fact it is outright ugly most of the time, which is why people don't like this season (they didn't like Scorsese's Cape Fear either because it was unpleasant, even though that's precisely what it was meant to be).

5. - sense of foreboding more genuine. I actually care about the fate of these 3 characters in Season 2 even though I have no hopes of seeing them live through their ordeal. I couldn't care less about McConaughey's character at the end of season 1, really. It was the most anti-climactic ending I'd seen in a series for ages.

6. - nihilism and misanthropy more genuine, less compromising. Season 1 had a moralistic miasma all over it that presaged a happy ending even before it was shown. This one carries some small sanctimonious tinge as well (otherwise it wouldn't make it to an American TV station) but is far grittier.

7. - dialogues might not be perfect, but they are more realistic. I actually have fun hearing Semyon or Velcoro's witty one-liners. S1 was all about pseudo-philosophical drivel spouted out by a mediocre actor unsuccessfully trying to portray a depressed person.

8. - knows the value of ellipsis. We don't know anything about Semyon other than the fact he was, quote, "born drafted at the wrong side of a class war" but that's all we need because he conveys the rest. Same thing for all the other characters. In season 1 they actually felt it was necessary to explain all of Rust's backstory because he was unable to let it transpire through his acting.

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Teško njesra ovaj tru ditektiv..

Ih, ništa ovo nije.

Prognoziram, finale će biti čudo. Picolato će da nadmaši prošlogodišnjeg sebe!

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daleko je TD od genijalnosti, al je daleko i od teškog sranja.

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Rast je predvideo finale druge sezone!

Šta je vrime doli pljosnat krug? 

https://coub.com/view/1e7od

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daleko je TD od genijalnosti

bacite ga lafofima

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daleko je TD od genijalnosti

Zato je College Humor dosegao genijalnost ovom parodijom:

"True Detective Season 3: 100% Hate Watching!" 


http://youtu.be/fqMOL6HxCXA

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Epska sprdačina sa Picolatom se nastavlja kvizom "Da li je to kvazi-filozofsko mrsomuđenje iz Detektiva ili poruka iz kolačića sreće?" 

http://youtu.be/uKTpW4n2XgQ