WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW?!

[Ghoul]

znam da ce se humanije osobe od mene zgrazati, ali ja ne mogu da ne vidim sledeci text kao grohotalno smehotresan kao i thought-provoking:


MINA, Saudi Arabia - Thousands of Muslim pilgrims rushing to complete a symbolic stoning ritual during the hajj tripped over luggage Thursday, causing a crush in which at least 345 people were killed despite Saudi attempts to prevent stampedes that have plagued the annual event.

The stampede occurred as tens of thousands of pilgrims headed toward al-Jamarat, a series of three pillars representing the devil that the faithful pelt with stones to purge themselves of sin.    

Interior Ministry spokesman Maj. Gen. Mansour al-Turki said 345 people were killed. More than 1,000 people were injured, said Dr. Abbasi with the Saudi Red Crescent.

Footage from the scene showed lines of bodies laid out on stretchers on the pavement and covered with sheets. Ahmed Mustafa, an Egyptian pilgrim, said he saw bodies taken away in refrigerator trucks.

An Egyptian pilgrim, Suad Abu Hamada, heard screaming and "saw people jumping over each other."

"The bodies were piled up. I couldn't count them, they were too many," she said.

The site is a notorious bottleneck for the massive crowds that attend the annual hajj pilgrimage and has seen deadly stampedes in the past, including one in 1990 that killed 1,426 people and another in February 2004 that killed 244. Seven of the past 17 yearly pilgrimages have seen deadly incidents at al-Jamarat.


The latest crush came despite Saudi attempts to ease the flow of traffic around al-Jamarat. This year's hajj was marred by the Jan. 5 collapse of a building being used as a pilgrims' hotel that killed 76 people in Mecca.

The stampede happened as pilgrims were rushing to complete the last of three days of the stoning ritual before sunset, said Interior Ministry spokesman Maj. Gen. Mansour al-Turki. Some of the pilgrims began tripping over dropped baggage, causing a large pileup, he said.

Many pilgrims carry their personal effects with them as they move between the various stages of the hajj.

Earlier, al-Turki said some baggage spilled from moving buses at one entrance to al-Jamarat, causing pilgrims to trip and pile up. However, no vehicles were allowed in the area where the stampede occurred.

Al-Turki said 345 people were killed. State-run Saudi television Al-Ekhbariyah reported that most of the victims were from South Asia. The Health Ministry said 289 people were injured.

The pillars are located on a large pedestrian bridge, the width of an eight-lane highway over the desert plain of Mina outside the holy city of Mecca. Four ramps lead up the bridge to give pilgrims access to the site, and the stampede occurred at the base of one ramp.


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moglo bi se reći ovako: KO SE SA ĐAVOLOM KAMENJEM GAĐA, O GLAVU MU SE LUPAJU!  

[Tex Murphy]

Da očuvam ono malo političke korektnosti što mi je ostalo, neću komentarisati.

[iNCUBUs]

Harvi, politička korektnost je za ... wussies...

[Truba]

sve je alahova volja
zemljotres, tsunami, stvaranja čovjeka, ateisti, pogibije hodočasnika... na kraju i bušove intervencije

samo mi nije jasno zašto se bore protiv bušovih vojaka ako je sve od alaha

[PTY]

Pa, zato što je Alahova volja da se bore protiv Buša i da potamane kaure. Kako to da ne znaš, jadan? Kakav si mi ti pa bosanac??  

[Truba]

 ja sam ovdje sasvim slučajno  

evo citat:

bas mi je nena pricala o tome... jedan korak pogrešan - belaj! uvijek je to tako bilo.
ali opet ne zaboravimo da je mnogo starih ljudi koji jedva hodaju i onako ,
pa mnogi umiro od infarkta,moždanih udara i tako to!!
A dosta njih starijih kad idu tamo mole da i umru tamo !
A neka ih Allah nagradi!

[Ghoul]

LAKE BUTLER, Fla. - A car full of siblings headed home was crushed between a truck and a stopped school bus, killing the seven adopted children just two miles from where they lived.

Investigators were trying to understand why the driver of a truck hit the car from behind, pushing it in to the bus that was carrying nine students.

Everyone in the car was killed Wednesday, including the 15-year-old girl who was driving illegally. Tina Mann told CNN that her niece, who had a learner's permit, had dropped off another child and was taking her siblings home "to get ready to go to church."  

"Even though she was an underage driver, it's my understanding she did not cause the accident," Mann told CNN. "The same thing would have happened had there been an adult in the car with her. We'd just have one more death in the family."

The victims in the car were identified by authorities as 15-year-old driver Nicki Mann; Elizabeth Mann, 15; Johnny Mann, 13; Heaven Mann, 3; Ashley Kenn, 13; Miranda Finn, who was either 8- or 9-years-old; and Anthony Lamb, who was almost 2 years old.

[mac]

Po trenutnom materijalno/ateističkom shvatanju smrt je kraj postojanja. U tom sistemu verovanja svi slučajni događaji su zaista slučajni i nasumični i u njima nema nikakvog drugog značenja. I to je sve u redu. Čak i u takvom sistemu mora da postoji ideal, odnosno nešto što nam je vrednije od nas samih, inače se sistem prirodno raspada na podsisteme sa podidealima. Malo divergiram, ne obazirite se.

Po trenutnom duhovno/religioznom shvatanju smrt je samo jedan trenutak, prelaz iz jednog stanja u drugo. U tom sistemu verovanja nisu baš svi slučajni događaji tako nasumični, nego postoji viša sila koja upravlja našim sudbinama, i za koju pretpostavljamo da je dobronamerna prema ljudima i kao čovečanstvu, i kao pojedincima. I to je isto tako u redu, i to je ideal takvog sistema. Treba samo imati na umu da smrt nije ni "gubitak" ni "nepravda" za onoga ko je doživljava. Naša je greška što je tako doživljavamo, a ne našeg tvorca.

[Ghoul]

MANILA, Philippines - A stampede broke out early Saturday outside a stadium near Manila where thousands had lined up to watch to watch a popular game show, and at least 66 people were trampled to death, an official said.
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About 30,000 people were waiting to get inside the stadium to watch the show when the mayhem erupted, said Vicente Eusebio, the mayor of Pasig, the Manila suburb where the stampede occurred. He said at least 66 people died — all but three of them women.

Dozens of injured were rushed to hospitals, which quickly became overwhelmed and began using parking lots to accommodate them, Radio DZBB reported.

Merquieades Salazar cried over the body of his wife, who was among those crushed. Salazar, 45, said the couple was jobless and wanted to try their luck at winning a raffle with a jackpot equivalent to $384.

"In the desire to win money, she is the one I lost," Salazar sobbed as he stroked his dead wife's hair.

"We both fell and we were both pinned to the ground," he said.

It was not immediately clear what caused the stampede.

Lito Vergel de Dios, executive director of Metro Manila Development Authority, told a Manila radio station that one witness said somebody in the crowd shouted there was a bomb, but there was no sign of any explosion.

Other witness accounts carried by Manila radio said the stampede erupted when guards refused to open the gates to the stadium, causing pushing and shoving among the crowd.

Authorities were collecting the dead and lining up the bodies on the side of a street outside the stadium for identification as bags and shoes lay scattered outside the hall.

Police Superintendent Gerry Galvan said at least 50 people died at the stadium and the rest at hospitals where they were taken.

People had lined up for two days to get tickets for the show, organized by ABS-CBN TV.

"There were so many people, but they did not want to open the gate and two of our companions died," a weeping woman told DZBB radio outside the stadium.

[Ghoul]

[Kastor]

HEHEHHEHEHEHHEHEHHEH itd.

Gde si njih dvojicu iskopao?!
Luđi si od njih.

[Ghoul]

Jeziv prizor na Cetinju
Ostavljenu bebu rastrgli psi

CETINJE - U naselju Donje polje na Cetinju meštani Milivoje Ivanović i Redžep Beriša pronašli su u ponedeljak delove tela novorođenčeta ženskog pola, kojeg su raskomadali psi.

Prolazeći ulicom, Ivanović i Beriša primetili su crnu kerušu koja je u čeljustima nosila plavu najlonsku kesu u kojoj je nešto bilo zamotano. Keruša se uputila prema stogu sena, gde su se nalazila njena štenad i prilikom pokušaja da se provuče kroz uzak otvor u žičanoj ogradi kesa joj je ispala. Keruša je ponovo zubima uhvatila sadržaj iz kese i nastavila da ga vuče prema senu. U tom trenutku, dvojica meštana ugledali su stravičan prizor, iz psećih čeljusti virilo je dečje telo zamotano u plavi najlon. Ivanović i Beriša pozvali su cetinjsku policiju, koja je ubrzo došla na lice mesta.

Oko keruše, koja je razvlačila telo novorođenčeta, odmah se stvorio i čopor pasa . Jezivu scenu uspeo je da prekine vlasnik imanja, koji je rasterao gladne pse.

Policija je o događaju obavestila istražne organe i podgoričkog sudiju Višeg suda Miroslava Bašovića, koji je preuzeo istragu. Sudija Bašović je odmah naložio obdukciju tela, koju je izvršila dr Dragana Čukić u podgoričkom Kliničkom centru. Čukić, ,,zbog eventualnog ometanja istrage", nije htela da saopšti rezultate, osim da je beba rođena živa i da je ženskog pola. Ona nije želela da saopšti da li je novorođenče ostavljeno živo na nekom skrovitom mestu gde se smrzlo ili je prethodno ubijeno.

Ipak, na malom telu mrtve devojčice jasno su se videli tragovi ujeda pasa, potvrđeno je ,,Blicu" iz podgoričkog KBC-a. Prema nezvaničnim informacijama, smrt novorođenčeta, nastupila je pre tri, četiri dana, odnosno odmah pošto je ugledala svet. Crnogorski mediji saznaju da su na bebinom telu nedostajali delovi.

Izvor iz cetinjske policije saopštio je da je policija krenula u intenzivnu istragu, kako bi pronašla majku koja je ostavila novorođeno dete. Prema saznanjima crnogorskih medija, policija je na tragu ženi koja je navodno počinila čedomorstvo.

[Ghoul]

Plane with 176 aboard crashes in Brazil

SAO PAULO, Brazil - A plane with 176 people aboard crashed and burst into flames in Sao Paulo on Tuesday after skidding off a runway that has been criticized as being too short in a driving rain, the nation's airport authority said.
There were no immediate reports of deaths by authorities, but a witness said he saw one charred body as flames shot into the sky and clouds of black smoke billowed into the air after the crash.
The Tam airline's Airbus-320 skidded off the runway at Congonhas airport, then crossed a busy road at the height of rush hour in South America's largest city before slamming into a gas station, said Jose Leonardi Mota, a spokesman with airport authority Infraero.
Tam worker Elias Rodrigues Jesus, walking near the site just as the crash happened, told The Associated Press that the jet exploded in between the gas station and a warehouse owned by Tam.
"All of a sudden I heard a loud explosion, and the ground beneath my feet shook," Jesus said. "I looked up and I saw a huge ball of fire, and then I smelled the stench of kerosene and sulfur."
Jesus said he saw one charred body, and Globo TV reported that at least seven people were being treated for injuries, some of whom were Tam workers who were in building.
Tam Linhas Aereas flight 3054 was en route to Sao Paulo from the southern Brazilian city of Porto Alegre with 170 passengers six crew members, Tam said in a statement.
"At this moment, we cannot determine the extent of possible injuries suffered by the airplanes occupants and crew members," the airline said in a statement.
Distraught relatives of passengers crowded Tam's check-in counters in Porto Alegre, complaining hours after the crash that the airline had not yet released a passenger list, Globo TV reported.
The accident happened during heavy rains, and critics have said for years that such an accident was possible at the airport because its runway is too short for large planes landing in rainy weather.
A federal court in February briefly banned takeoffs and landings of large jets at the airport because of safety concerns at the airport, which handles huge volumes of flights for the massive domestic Brazilian air travel market.
But an appeals court overruled the ban, saying it was too harsh because it would have severe economic ramifications and that there were not enough safety concerns to prevent the planes from landing and taking off the airport.
Tuesday's crash came 10 months after Brazil's deadliest crash, a September collision between a Gol Aerolinhas Inteligentes SA Boeing 737 and an executive jet over the Amazon rainforest.
All 154 people on the Gol jet died. The executive jet landed safely.
The crash highlighted Brazil's increasing aviation woes, as a surge in travelers overwhelms underfunded air traffic control systems. A Brazilian judge indicted four flight controllers and the smaller jet's two U.S. pilots on the equivalent of manslaughter charges, but the defendants point to other problems — from holes in radar coverage to the inability of some Brazilian controllers to clearly speak English, the language of international aviation.
Controllers — concerned about being made scapegoats — have engaged in strikes and work slowdowns to raise safety concerns, causing or exacerbating lengthy delays and cancelations.
Angry travelers have stormed airline check-in counters and runways in Brazil, and fistfights have broken out in waiting areas.

[S.]

U stvari, verovatno je smrtno nastradalo oko 200 ljudi (procena sefa vatrogasne brigade; potvrdjeno do sada oko 50 zrtava) , te meni ton clanka koji je prenesen gore nikako ne ide. Na stranu sto nije ni suva vest, ni analiticki tekst, nego nesto kao buckuris. Uzgred, avion je udario u stambenu zgradu, ne u benzinsku pumpu.

Brazil je u trodnevnoj zalosti zbog tragedije. I lista putnika je obezbedjena tokom noci, nesreca se dogodila oko 19h po lokalnom vremenu.

I malo info pozadine - Sao Paolo, sa oko 11 miliona stanovnika u gradu, i preko 20 miliona stanovnika sa predgradjima (povrsina oko 40x50km)



ima 4 aerodroma, od kojih su dva za putnicki turisticki  saobracaj. Congonhas je uglavnom okrenut domacem saobracaju i godisnje kroz njega prodje oko 18 miliona putnika (medjunarodni Guarulhos ima promet od oko 15 miliona glava). Motiv zatvaranja za saobracaj najvecih aviona, Fokker 100, Boeing 737-800 i Boeing 737-700 mi je jasan (gde ispusti Airbus 320?), docim mi je motiv ponistavanja presude pomalo nejasan, ali je evideno da je bilo velikih pritisaka, sa strane aviokompanije TAM i federalnih vlasti. Jedan od "jacih" argumenata je da bi se ljudi bunili ako neke letove prebace na Guaruhulos, udaljen 50 km. Costs vs. benefits racun...

(La Nacion.cl)

Tragedia en Brasil: Avión se estrella en pleno centro de Sao Paulo

Accidente ocurrió cuando la aeronave TAM aterrizaba en la pista del aeropuerto de Congonhas que se encontraba mojada por la lluvia. "Hay unos 200 muertos", dijo jefe de Bomberos, mientras el gobernador descartó que haya sobrevivientes.

Un avión Airbus 320 con 176 ocupantes no consiguió frenar ayer al aterrizar en el aeropuerto de Congonhas en Sao Paulo, en plena zona urbana, salió de la pista y se incendió al estrellarse contra un local de TAM Express, provocando una de las tragedias aéreas más dantescas de la historia.

Según estimó el coronel del cuerpo de Bomberos local Manuel Antonio Da Silva Araujo, la tragedia dejó "unos 200 muertos", mientras el gobernador del Estado de San Pablo, José Serra, dijo que fue informado de que "son mínimas" las posibilidades de que pasajeros hayan sobrevivido al accidente.

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El Presidente brasileño, Luiz Lula da Silva, decretó hoy "tres días de duelo nacional" y envió sus condolencias a los familiares de las víctimas. El mandatario –quien convocó de emergencia a varios de sus ministros para analizar la crisis- prometió que "serán realizadas todas las investigaciones necesarias para dar con los motivos de la tragedia".

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Según el Cuerpo de Bomberos de Sao Paulo, el avión se salió de la pista (que fue reformada recientemente) y pasó por encima de la transitada avenida Washington Luiz, para estrellarse contra el depósito de materiales de TAM Express, filial de carga de la misma compañía.

El vuelo JJ 3054 de TAM provenía de Porto Alegre (sur) con 176 personas. Además, las cadenas de televisión locales aseguraban que dentro del edificio de TAM Express había trabajando unas 20 personas, al menos 10 de las cuales habrían sido rescatadas con heridas -tres de ellas de extrema gravedad-y enviadas a hospitales de la zona.

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[Ghoul]

DAMNED: Mircea Pavel, 40, is serving 20 years in prison in Romania for
 murder. But that didn't keep him from filing suit in a Timisoara
court
 accusing "the defendant God, who lives in the heavens and is
 represented in Romania by the Orthodox Church," of "fraud, betrayal
of
 trust, corruption and influence peddling." Pavel claims that "At my
 christening, I made a deal with the defendant aimed at freeing me
from
 evil. But the latter has not respected that agreement until now,
 although he received from me various assets and numerous prayers."
But
 the court threw out the suit, noting that "God is not subject to law
 and does not have an address." (AFP) ...Not bad, considering God
 doesn't have any lawyers up there to defend Him.

[Truba]

Francuska: 26 poginulih poljskih hodočasnika

26 poljskih hodočasnika poginulo je u nesreći autobusa koji se u nedjelju ujutro srušio u provaliju u francuskim Alpama poginulo. Autobus se zapalio nakon što je skrenuo s ceste i srušio u provaliju od gotovo 40 metara. Autobus se spuštao vrlo strmom cestom koja povezuje Grenoble i Gap u francuskim Alpama, kada je iskrsnuo problem s kočnicama.

[angel011]

Bog je, čini se, prilično zauzet mržnjom prema homoseksualcima, pa zato, kao nevaljalo dete koje ruši tuđe zamkove u pesku, ruši zgrade i mostove. Tako, barem, tvrdi ovaj Božji čovek (bez onog dela o nevaljalom detetu):

Fred Phelps Is Coming

By Eric Black , Minnesota Monitor

Rev. Phelps says God hates Minnesota, the "land of the sodomite damned."

The Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kan., plans to stage protests at funerals of victims of the 35W bridge collapse to state that God made the bridge fall because he hates America, and especially Minnesota, because of its tolerance of homosexuality.

The church and its pastor, the Rev. Fred Phelps, have become notorious over recent years for their claim that the attack of 9/11 was an act of God's vengeance and their determination to make that case at the funerals of U.S. soldiers who died in Iraq.

In a press release issued the day after the bridge collapse, the church called for protests at the funerals and outlined its feelings about the relationship between God's plan and the sins of Minneapolis and Minnesota, which it calls the "land of the Sodomite damned."

Reached at the church, Shirley Phelps Roper, who is both the daughter of the pastor and one of the attorneys for the church, said that America, and Minnesota especially, have alienated God by its tolerance for homosexuality, and that the bridge collapse was an act of God's vengeance. She said:

"The bridge stood in place by the word of God and it fell by the word of God...Each of these little events is just a harbinger of the coming destruction of this American experiment. We are delivering the final call of the doomed nation."

She said, as they have done for years, members of the church would stand "lawfully and peacefully on the public right of way" near the funerals and "put in the air words of praying and instruction and warning."

The signs that the protesters will wave will read:

"God cast down the bridge... Thank God for 9/11... America is doomed... God hates fags... God hates fag enablers... God hates Minnesota."

Posted: Tue, 08/07/2007 - 21:06

http://www.tcdailyplanet.net/node/6004

[angel011]

SAD: U crkvi ubio tri osobe
13. avgust 2007. | 08:00 -> 10:19 | Izvor: B92
Neošo -- Tri osobe su poginule, najmanje pet ih je povređeno, kada je jedan muškarac pucao u crkvi u Misuriju, SAD.

Do pucnjave je došlo u gradu Neošo, a stradali su vernici koji su se u trenutku pucnjave zatekli na misi. Po završetku verske službe na španskom jeziku u Prvoj kongregacionoj crkvi, nepoznati muškarac je počeo da puca. Pored glavnog oltara ubio je sveštenika i dve osobe, a u pucnjavi je povređeno najmanje pet osoba.

Pre dolaska jakih policijskih snaga ubica je kao taoce držao 25 do 50 ljudi. Napadač, koji se predao vlastima posle 10 minuta dugog pregovaranja, imao je kod sebe dve malokalibarske puške i poluautomatski pištolj.

Građani kažu da su iznenađeni i zatečeni.

"Zapanjen sam razmerama ludila u gradu ove veličine. Nikada nam se nije desilo ovako nešto."

"Osećam se kao da ovde više nismo sigurni. Čak ni u crkvi."

Prema prvim policijskom izveštajima, reč je o četrdesetogodišnjem muškarcu koji je boravio u okružnom zatvoru čekajući da protiv njega bude podignuta optužnica.

Pretpostavlja se da je napadač bio u srodstvu s nekim od vernika u crkvi.

http://www.b92.net/info/vesti/index.php?yyyy=2007&mm=08&dd=13&nav_category=78&nav_id=259060

[Tex Murphy]

"Osećam se kao da ovde više nismo sigurni. Čak ni u crkvi."

Heh, ovo bi trebalo upotrijebiti u nekoj komediji o stanju u Iraku nakon američkog """"oslobađanja"""" istog.
Bombe padaju po gradu, opšti haos, a neko kaže "Demit, više ni u džamiji nismo sigurni!"

[---]

reko da ne otvaram novu temu... a nisam baš hteo da budem gad i stavim u ZLO-VRT, ipak sam i ja hendikepirana manjina, mada bi naziv ZLO-VRT odgovarao stanju u srpskim bolnicama...


Србија оптужена за мучење болесника
У извештају Организације за заштиту права особа ометених у развоју наводи се да се деца и одрасли у специјалним установама везују, да годинама не излазе из кревета и да је њихов смештај опасан по живот

Сведочанство о условима и начину лечења деце у Кулинама: фотографија међународне организације
Фото М. Штајнер


Слика двадесетједногодишњег младића са Дауновим синдромом који је већ једанаест година везан за кревет, полугола деца која обедују и врше и нужду у креветима и седмогодишња девојчице са обољењем мозга која није добила медицински третман који јој може спасити живот, јер је лекар оценио ,,да ће ионако умрети", слика je Србије која је послата у свет посредством извештаја међународне Организације за заштиту права особа ометених у развоју. Извештај под називом ,,Мучење као лечење", који је презентован на јучерашњој конференцији за новинаре, настао је након четири године истраживања у установама социјалне заштите у којима се лечи више од 17.200 деце и одраслих, а истраживањем су обухваћени Институт за децу и младе ,,Колевка" у Суботици, Институт за менталне болести у Чуругу, Институт за децу и младе у Кулини, Специјална институција за децу и младе у Стамници и психијатријске болнице у Вршцу и Ковину.
У извештају који је пре објављивања у српској јавности презентован у ,,Интернешенел хералд трибјуну" и ,,Њујорк тајмсу" наводи се да су деца и одрасли који се лече у нашим установама социјалне заштите фиксирани за кревете и понекад годинама онемогућени да изађу из постеље. У њему се такође упозорава да нехигијенски услови, заразне болести, недостатак медицинске неге, рехабилитације и судског надзора, чини смештај у српским институцијама опасним по живот, како за децу, тако и за одрасле.

Међу сликама које по бруталности конкуришу онима које су из Србије слали у свет током деведесетих година налази се и фотографија изгладнеле и дехидриране девојчице, која пати од дијареје опасне по живот и лежи фиксирана у кревецу у Кулини, дечака са Дауновим синдромом који лупа главом о металне решетке кревета и деце фиксиране за столице око струка и ножних чланака.

У овом извештају такође се тврди да у Србији има 78 установа социјалне заштите за особе са посебним потребама у којима је ,,у условима опасним по живот" смештено око 11.350 особа, међу којима је 2.300 деце. Директор Организације за заштиту права особа ометених у развоју Ерик Росентал истиче да је везивање детета за кревет нешто најстрашније што је видео у својој каријери адвоката особа са инвалидитетом дугој 14 година. ,,Реч је о најстрашнијем мучењу беспомоћне деце, која су везана за кревете и не могу да се померају", прецизирао је Розентал.

Он је, такође, оценио да се у установама социјалне заштите крше фундаментална људска права и поручио да Влада Србије мора да поштује Устав републике и Повељу Уједињених нација о људским правима да би обезбедила тим људима услове за нормалан живот.

,,Позивамо Владу Србије да истог тренутка нешто промени. Србија има одличне прописе. Ми смо веома задовољни што Устав Србије каже да дискриминација физички или ментално неспособних неће бити толерисана, али чему сви ти одлични прописи, ако се не примењују у пракси", упитао је Розентал.

Представница Међународне организације за заштиту права особа ометених у развоју Лори Ахерн оценила је да су деца у установама у Србији злостављана ,,јер се везују за кревете, немају адекватну медицинску негу и често се самоповређују – уједају се, сама себе ударају, покушавају себи да ископају очи". Она је навела пример једног дечака који чак једанаест година није напустио постељу у установи социјалне заштите у Стамници.

Описујући неке драстичне ситуације кршења људских права које је видела у институцијама у Србији, она је нагласила да су јој у ужасној успомени остале слике деце трајно везане за кревете и колевке. ,,Они године проводе у тим креветима, једу у тим креветима, врше нужду у тим креветима, живе и умиру у тим креветима", навела је Лори Ахерн.

Истраживачи Организације за заштиту права особа ометених у развоју такође су дошли до закључка да у институцијама у Србији постоји упадљив недостатак рехабилитације, физикалне терапије и медицинске неге за децу и одрасле са посебним потребама. Без активности, кретања или физикалне терапије деца и одрасли категорисани као ,,непокретни" могу патити од искривљених и атрофираних удова и кичме, дислокације костију и имати проблеме са дисањем.

Током зиме, истраживачи су затекли институције са мало или без грејања, са пацијентима који се збијају око радијатора покушавајући да се загреју. Многи од њих боравили су у просторијама са капама и у капутима. Директор установе у Чуругу рекао је да у овој установи социјалне заштите има пацова и мишева и да су зидови зграде од азбеста. Због тога што немају купатила и водоводне инсталације корисници су били приморани да врше нужду у кофама, које су држали испод својих кревета.
Ерик Розентал изразио је наду да ће овај извештај омогућити притисак Европске уније на Србију да хитно покрене акцију усмерену ка побољшању услова у поменутим здравственим институцијама. Он је такође подсетио да је Организација за заштиту права особа ометених у развоју 1972. урадила сличан извештај, у коме је мета критике била институција Вилибрук у САД и додао да је држава реаговала тек на глас јавности, односно после објављивања видео-снимка на коме су се видели понижавајући услови у којима живе особе ометене у развоју. Ова организација за заштиту права особа објавила је сличне извештаје о људским правима у Мађарској, Мексику, Перуу, Русији, Турској, Уругвају, Аргентини, Румунији и о администрацији УН на Косову.
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Љајић забранио пријем деце у Кулинама

Министар рада и социјалне политике Расим Љајић уручио је јуче Дому за ретардиране у Кулинама код Алексинца решење о забрани даљег пријема деце, најављујући да ће ускоро почети и измештање најмлађих штићеника који се већ налазе у њему.

Љајић је у изјави Танјугу подсетио да је приликом оснивања тог дома, пре 50 година, било предвиђено да он прима само одрасле ретардиране особе, али да су у њему од самог почетка смештана и деца.

Он је рекао да је министарство сада донело одлуку да прво измести децу до седам година, а затим и сву преосталу децу до 18 година и збрине их у другим институцијама које су оспособљене за бригу о деци ометеној у развоју. ,,Самим тим, биће смањен број корисника, што ће омогућити да се у том дому пружају квалитетније услуге", нагласио је Љајић.

Он се сложио са неким примедбама наведеним у америчком извештају, али не и са називом ,,Мучење као лечење" који, како је рекао, дезавуише намере и оптужује све оне који су свесни тог проблема и на најхуманији начин настоје да помогну деци са посебним потребама.

Према његовим речима, спорне су и препоруке да се услови пут Србије ка Европској унији тиме што ће решити овај проблем. ,,Ми ћемо урадити читав низ нових мера, не због овог извештаја, већ зато што је тај процес већ започет", нагласио је Љајић.
Танјуг

[lilit]

Moram priznati da sam se jako potresla gledajuci sve te slike, al mozda spadam u grupu onih koji prosto vole pateticne i potresne slike nad kojima liju suze...pojma nemam.

Na sve price kako je celi izvestaj tendenciozan i napravljen sa jedinim ciljem da se drzava ocrni, jedna moja prijateljica je imala cool (meni bar) komentar:

"i sta je sad? jel mdri ili kako god da se zove laze? jel u pominjanim ustanovama nije lose stanje? mozda oni u nekim stvarima lazu. sigurno. jel kampanja tendenciozna. jeste. mozda stanje nije tako lose? mozda i nije. ali jel sve lazu? ne. jel dobro stanje? nije, lose je. uzasno je. ok, siromasna zemlja, zemlja u tzv tranziciji, za ocekivati je. jel treba menjati? treba.
i mene sad bas briga da li ce kostunica, ili ljajic, ili tomica, ili veran matic ili dzordz bush, ili agim ceku, ili pokOjni sloba licno nesto tu da promene, i sa kojim motivom. mene samo zanima da se nesto mrdne po pitanju stanja u ovim ustanovama. u bar jednoj od njih. bar za milimetar. a verujem da ce pre da se mrdne sa ovom halabukom nego bez nje. ako uopste. toliko."

[Ghoul]

ja sam pre nekoliko godina išao u Toponicu (mentalna bolnica, ili kako li mu se već oficijelno zove ludnica) kod Niša radi fact-checkinga za II deo NAŽIVOG.

to je strašno u kojim uslovima je većina tih ljudi. naročito oni koji su umereno bezopasni: mnogi od njih senilni ljudi, starci koje su familije ostavile tu - polugoli ili goli, svi natrpani u jednu skoro golu, slabo grejanu (ili negrejanu?) prostoriju sličniju nekoj šupi ili sl. pomoćnoj prostoriji, sa televizorom u koji neki zure, neki se vrzmaju okolo, a sve smrdi neopisivo, i to na ono sredstvo za dezinfekciju koje prosto štipa za oči i nos i sve...

[Ghoul]

Daniel Craig Says 'Compass' Not Anti-religious

Casino Royale star Daniel Craig has come to the defense of The Golden Compass after the book on which it is based was ordered removed from school libraries in the Canadian province of Ontario. Catholic lay leaders in Canada and the U.S. have denounced the book as anti-Catholic in particular and antireligious in general. Bill Donohue, president of the Catholic League, the largest Catholic lay group in the U.S., has called Compass "atheism for kids." Kurt Bruner, author of Shedding Light on His Dark Materials, told CNSNews.com, a unit of the conservative Media Research Center, maintains that the book and movie reflect "a story which is all about Satan overthrowing the authority of God." But in an interview with the Toronto Globe & Mail, Craig, who has a featured role in Compass, said, "These books are not anti-religious. I think that mainly they're anti-misuse of power -- whether it's religious or political." Toronto bookseller Ben McNally noted that he found the actions of the school authorities curious given the fact that the books have been available in Ontario schools for more than a decade and are just now attracting controversy as the date for the movie's premiere approaches. (It is due to open on Dec. 7.) "I mean, where have these people been?" McNally asked. And in an interview with the Christian Post, Golden Compass director Chris Weitz remarked, "I think it's a shame that people are reacting to a movie they haven't seen by attacking a book they haven't understood."


ne znam otkud obraz popovima (ha!ha!) da pretpostave kako je 'ateizam za decu' nešto zlo, a katolicizam za decu je, kao, suvo zlato!
 

[Tex Murphy]

Katolicizam je bolji od ateizma.

[Ghoul]

Katolicizam je bolji od ateizma.

bravo, harv!
tako govore pravi pedofili!

[Tex Murphy]

Hvala!

[Ghoul]

9 dead in Nebraska mall shooting

By OSKAR GARCIA, Associated Press Writer

OMAHA, Neb. - Less than an hour before he killed eight victims and himself in a mall shooting spree, the gunman called a woman who had taken him in to tell her about a suicide note — but she said Thursday she never thought he would hurt anyone but himself.

Debora Maruca-Kovac told CBS's "The Early Show" she found the note after Robert A. Hawkins, 19, called to thank her and her family for their help, to express his love, and to tell her he had left the note behind.

"He had said how much he loved his family and all his friends and how he was sorry he was a burden to everybody and his whole life he was a piece of (expletive) and now he'll be famous," she said, describing the note. "I was fearful that he was going to try to commit suicide but I had no idea that he would involve so many other families."

Hawkins carried out his shooting spree from the third floor of the Westroads Mall, the bullets from his rifle cutting through the sound of Christmas music as he terrorized shoppers and employees.

Hawkins had recently split with his girlfriend and been fired from McDonald's. He had a criminal record and had left or been kicked out of his parents' house.

Police Chief Thomas Warren said the shooting appeared to be random and that the dead included five females and four males, including the gunman. (barem nije bio diskriminator po pitanju pola. pitam se za rasu itsl.)

Warren told CNN Thursday that police plan to examine text messages sent between Hawkins and his girlfriend, as well his computer's hard drive for any Internet communications that could explain how he plotted the shootings.

Warren would not release the victims' identities Wednesday night and gave no motive for the attack, but promised more details in a news conference scheduled for Thursday morning.

Hawkins moved from his family's home about a year ago. Maruca-Kovac and her husband, whose sons were friends with Hawkins, welcomed him into their home and tried to help him.

"When he first came in the house, he was introverted, a troubled young man who was like a lost pound puppy that nobody wanted," Maruca-Kovac told The Associated Press.

She told the Omaha World-Herald that the night before the shooting, Hawkins and her sons showed her an SKS semiautomatic Russian military rifle — the same type used in the shooting. She said she thought the gun belonged to a member of Hawkins' family. She said she didn't think much of it — the gun looked too old to work.

Records in Sarpy and Washington counties showed Hawkins had a felony drug conviction and several misdemeanor cases filed against him, including an arrest 11 days before the shooting for having alcohol as a minor. He was due in court in two weeks.

Maruca-Kovac said Hawkins had recently broken up with a girlfriend and was fired from McDonald's. She told the World-Herald that Hawkins said he had been fired after being accused of stealing $17        from his till at the restaurant. McDonald's management declined to comment to the newspaper.

Maruca-Kovac said he phoned her at about 1 p.m. Wednesday, telling her he had left a note. She tried to get him to explain.

"He said, 'It's too late,'" and hung up, she told CNN. She then called Hawkins' mother.

In the note, which was turned over to authorities, Hawkins wrote that he was "sorry for everything" and would not be a burden on his family anymore. More ominously, he wrote, "Now I'll be famous."

Maruca-Kovac went to her job as a nurse at the Nebraska Medical Center, where victims of the shooting soon began to arrive. jebote, koja ironija!

The first 911 call came in at 1:42 p.m., and the shooting was already over when police arrived six minutes later, authorities said.

"We sent every available officer in the city of Omaha," Sgt. Teresa Negron said. "They came to the mall in lights and sirens."  GOOD WORK!

The World-Herald reported that the gunman had a military-style haircut and a black backpack, and wore a camouflage vest. mudro, da se sakrije u zelenilu šoping mola.

Hawkins opened fire in a Von Maur store, part of a Midwestern chain.

Mickey Vickory, who worked in the store's third-floor service department, said she heard shots and went with coworkers and customers into a back closet, emerging about a half-hour later when police shouted to come out with their hands up. As police led them to another part of the mall for safety, they saw the victims.

"We saw the bodies and we saw the blood," she said.

Keith Fidler, another Von Maur employee, said he heard a burst of five to six shots followed by 15 to 20 more rounds. Fidler said he huddled in the corner of the men's clothing department with about a dozen other employees until police yelled to get out of the store.

Witness Shawn Vidlak said the shots sounded like a nail gun. At first he thought it was noise from construction work at the mall.

"People started screaming about gunshots," Vidlak said. "I grabbed my wife and kids. We got out of there as fast as we could."

Nebraska Medical Center spokeswoman Andrea McMaster said the hospital had three victims from the mall shooting, including Fred Wilson, 61, who was in critical condition early Thursday with a bullet wound to his chest.

Another critically wounded victim was at Creighton University Medical Center, spokeswoman Lisa Stites said.

On Wednesday night, police used a bomb robot   to access a Jeep Cherokee left in the mall parking lot that authorities believe belonged to Hawkins. Officers had seen some wires under some clothing, but no bomb was found.

President Bush was in Omaha on Wednesday for a fundraiser, but left about an hour before the shooting. sumnjivo je to. ja bih proverio njegov alibi. nije on čist!

"Having just visited with so many members of the community in Omaha today, the president is confident that they will pull together to comfort one another," White House press secretary Dana Perino said.

The sprawling, three-level mall has more than 135 stores and restaurants. It gets 14.5 million visitors every year, according to its Web site.

It was the second mass shooting at a mall this year. In February, nine people were shot, five of them fatally, at Trolley Square mall in Salt Lake City. The gunman, 18-year-old Sulejman Talovic, was shot and killed by police.

The shooting spree was Nebraska's deadliest since January 1958, when Charles Starkweather killed 10 people in Nebraska and another in Wyoming.

[Mixitron M. Storm]

sound of Christmas music as he terrorized shoppers and employees.

Dopada mi se izbor i kompozicija reči

[Ghoul]

Sveštenik sekirom na vernike

3. februar 2008. | 12:51 | Izvor: Beta
Gornji Milanovac -- U selu Šilopaj, sveštenik Vlastimir Zlatić, na Svetog Savu, potegao je sekiru na vernike posle tuče u kojoj je i sam učestvovao.

Kako danas pričaju meštani čitave parohije, sve se odigralo na proslavi Savindana, u parohijskom domu, o čemu postoje prijave u policiji u Gornjem Milanovcu. Po priči sveštenika, na njega je "iz čista mira" nasrnuo Dragan Bojović (45) iz sela Mutanj kada ga je gurnuo, a zatim udarao nogama po telu, o čemu poseduje lekarska uverenja.

"Ljudi su se veselili i bilo je nekoliko razbijenih čaša, a pop je nešto gunđao i "iz čista mira" uneo mi se u lice i polio me crnim vinom, kada sam ga gurnuo i udario nogom u njegovu nogu, posle čega je on mene raspalio pesnicom iznad levog oka", rekao je Bojović, pokazujući posekotinu.

Tada su se umešali ostali gosti sveštenik je izašao, ali posle nekoliko trenutaka vratio se sa sekirom, ali su vernici sprečili da dođe do većeg incidenta.

"To je prevršilo svaku meru i sada je puklo nezadovoljstvo radom i njegovim ponašanjem, jer je sklon tučama i potezanjem pištolja a za opelo naplaćuje sto evra", kazao je predsednik mesne zajednice Bogdan Likić.

On je istakao da se stalno pokreće akcija da se prepokrije crkva, ali sveštenik neće da se anagžuje već "samo traži pare i nikako izveštaj da podnese, a opština je uplatila 200.000 dinara i tih para nigde nema".

Rajo Jakovljević iz Mutnja, rekao je da je "pop kauboj" i nabraja desetak meštana sa kojima se sve tukao, "od poštara do izbeglica, a sa pola parohije ne govori".

U selima Šilopaj, Davidovbica, Kriva Reka, Cerova i Mutanj pokrenuta je akcija na prikupljanju peticije za premeštaj sveštenika a priprema se i posebna delegacija koja će o svemu upoznati Žičkog vladiku Hrizostoma.

[Ghoul]

Mjanmar: 15.000 žrtava ciklona

5. maj 2008. | 10:20 -> 16:54 | Izvor: B92, Tanjug

Jangon -- Više od 15.000 ljudi poginulo je u oblastima Jangon i Ajejavadi u Mjanmaru, u naletu ciklona Nagris, prenose svetske agencije.

Broj žrtava samo u regionu Bogalaj u oblasti Ajejavadi premašiće 10.000, dok je u regionu Laputa poginulo najmanje 1.000 ljudi. UN i humanitarne organizacije upozoravaju na moguću humanitarnu katastrofu. Prestonica Jangon i danas je bez struje i vode. Posle prolaska ciklona Nargis uništene su desetine hiljada kuća, a nekoliko stotina hiljada ljudi ostalo je bez krova nad glavom.

"Mnogi stanovnici glavnog grada opisuju situaciju kao veoma dramatičnu, grad izgleda kao ratno poprište. Drveće je iščupano iz korena. Kuće su ostale bez krovova. Nemoguće je autom stići bilo gde", kaže stručnjak za Mjanmar, Leri Jagan.

itd.

[Ghoul]

neko se ovde izgleda molio pogrešnom bogu/bogovima:

Death toll in China earthquake up to nearly 9,000

By CHRISTOPHER BODEEN, Associated Press Writer 48 minutes ago

CHONGQING, China - One of the worst earthquakes in decades struck central China on Monday, killing nearly 9,000 people, trapping about 900 students under the rubble of their school and causing a toxic chemical leak, state media reported.

The 7.8-magnitude earthquake devastated a hilly region of small cities and towns in Sichuan and nearby provinces. The official Xinhua News Agency said 8,533 people died in Sichuan alone and dozens of other deaths were reported in surrounding areas.

Xinhua said 80 percent of the buildings had collapsed in Beichuan county in Sichuan province after the quake, raising fears the overall death toll could increase sharply.

State media said a chemical plant in Shifang city had cratered, burying hundreds of people and spilling more than 80 tons of toxic liquid ammonia from the site.

The earthquake sent thousands of people rushing out of buildings and into the streets hundreds of miles away in Beijing and Shanghai. The temblor was felt as far away as Vietnam and Thailand.

The quake posed a challenge to a government already grappling with discontent over high inflation and a widespread uprising among Tibetans in western China while trying to prepare for the Beijing Olympics this August.

It hit about 60 miles northwest of Chengdu in the middle of the afternoon when classrooms and office towers were full. There were several smaller aftershocks, the U.S. Geological Survey said on its Web site.

The temblor struck hilly country leading up to the Tibetan highlands, toppling buildings in small cities and towns in the largely rural area. About 1,200 pandas — 80 percent of the surviving wild population in China — live in several mountainous areas of Sichuan.

The earthquake, China's deadliest since 1976, occurred in an area with numerous fault lines that have triggered destructive temblor before. A magnitude 7.5 earthquake in Diexi, Sichuan that hit on August 25, 1933 killed more than 9,300 people.

Xinhua said 50 bodies had been pulled from the debris of the school building in Juyuan town but did not say if the children were alive. Xinhua reported students also were buried under five other toppled schools in Deyang city.

Xinhua said its reporters saw buried teenagers struggling to break loose from underneath the rubble of the three-story building in Juyuan "while others were crying out for help."

Two girls were quoted by Xinhua as saying they escaped because they had "run faster than others."

Photos showed heavy cranes trying to remove rubble from the ruined school. Other photos posted on the Internet and found on the Chinese search engine Baidu showed arms and a torso sticking out of the rubble of the school as dozens of people worked to free them, using their hands to move concrete slabs.

Calls into the city did not go through as panicked residents quickly overloaded the telephone system. The quake affected telephone and power networks, and even state media appeared to have few details of the disaster.

"In Chengdu, mobile telecommunication convertors have experienced jams and thousands of servers were out of service," said Sha Yuejia, deputy chief executive officer of China Mobile.

Although it was difficult to telephone Chengdu, an Israeli student, Ronen Medzini, sent a text message to The Associated Press saying there were power and water outages there.

"Traffic jams, no running water, power outs, everyone sitting in the streets, patients evacuated from hospitals sitting outside and waiting," he said.

The road to Wenchuan from Chendu was cut off by landslides, state media said, slowing the rescue efforts.

The earthquake also rattled buildings in Beijing, some 930 miles to the north, less than three months before the Chinese capital was expected to be full of hundreds of thousands of foreign visitors for the Summer Olympics.

Li Jiulin, a top engineer on the 91,000-seat National Stadium — known as the Bird's Nest and the jewel of the Olympics — was conducting an inspection at the venue when the quake occurred. He told reporters the building was designed to withstand a 8.0 quake.

"The Olympic venues were not affected by the earthquake," said Sun Weide, a spokesman for the Beijing organizing committee. "We considered earthquakes when

Skyscrapers swayed in Shanghai and in the Taiwanese capital of Taipei, 100 miles off the southeastern Chinese coast. There were no immediate reports of injuries or damage.

The quake was felt as far away as the Vietnamese capital of Hanoi, where some people hurried out of swaying office buildings and into the streets downtown. A building in the Thai capital of Bangkok also was evacuated after the quake was felt there.

A magnitude 7.8 earthquake is considered a major event, capable of causing widespread damage and injuries in populated areas.

The last serious earthquake in China was in 2003, when a 6.8-magnitude quake killed 268 people in Bachu county in the west of Xinjiang.

China's deadliest earthquake in modern history struck the northeastern city of Tangshan on July 28, 1976, killing 240,000 people.

[Truba]

tamo negdje
krajem sedamdesetih u jednom kineskom gradu (Tangsakan mislim)
poginulo je oko 250 000 ljudi

[Ghoul]

tamo negdje
krajem sedamdesetih u jednom kineskom gradu (Tangsakan mislim)
poginulo je oko 250 000 ljudi

pa piše ti 5 cm iznad tvog posta, nema šta da misliš, slepče!      

[Truba]

ne čitam ja te tvoje  

priznaj da nisi znao da se to desilodok sad nisi pročitao barabo  

[Ghoul]

nije za smeh, al opet, nije ni da nije...

1-child policy has exceptions after China quake


BEIJING - Chinese officials said Monday that the country's one-child policy exempts families with a child killed, severely injured or disabled in the country's devastating earthquake.
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Those families can obtain a certificate to have another child, the Chengdu Population and Family Planning Committee in the capital of hard-hit Sichuan province said.

With so many shattered families asking questions, the Chengdu committee is clarifying existing one-child policy guidelines, said a committee official surnamed Wang.

"There are just a lot of cases now, so we need to clarify our policies," said Wang, who declined to elaborate.

The May 12 quake was particularly painful to many Chinese because it killed so many only children.

The earthquake has left more than 65,000 people dead so far, with more than 23,000 missing. Officials have not been able to estimate the number of children killed.

Chinese couples who have more than one child are commonly punished by fines. The announcement says that if a child born illegally was killed in the quake, the parents will no longer have to pay fines for that child — but the previously paid fines won't be refunded.

If the couple's legally born child is killed and the couple is left with an illegally born child under the age of 18, that child can be registered as the legal child — an important move that gives the child previously denied rights including free nine years of compulsory education.

China's one-child policy was launched in the late 1970s to control China's exploding population and ensure better education and health care. The law includes certain exceptions for ethnic groups, rural families and families where both parents are only children.

The government says the policy has prevented an additional 400 million births, but critics say it has also led to forced abortions, sterilizations and a dangerously imbalanced sex ratio as local authorities pursue sometimes severe birth quotas set by Beijing and families abort girls out of a traditional preference for male heirs.

Though commonly called a one-child policy, the rules offer a welter of exceptions and loopholes, some of them put into practice because of widespread opposition to the limits.

For example, in large parts of rural China, most families are allowed a second-child, especially if the first was a girl. Local officials often have wide discretion on enforcement, a fact that has made the policy susceptible to corruption.

Many Chinese have shown interest in adopting earthquake orphans, and Monday's announcement says there are no limits on the number of earthquake orphans a family can adopt. The adoptions, or even a future birth to a family that adopts an orphan, will not face the limitations of the one-child policy.

Officials estimated last week that the quake left about 4,000 orphans, but they warned they would make every effort to connect children with other family members.

[Ghoul]

eh, šta ostade od nekadašnje visokoIQpičke?

Sharon Stone sluti kosmičku pravdu u katastrofalnom zemljotresu

Američka glumica Sharon Stone (50), bivša seks bomba i navodno članica Mense, izazvala je mnoštvo reakcija izjavom o zemljotresu koji je nedavno pogodio Kinu koju je dala u Kanu.

Glumica je rekla kako je zemljotres, u kom je poginulo oko 70.000 ljudi, dok se preko 20.000 osoba vodi kao nestalo, a preko pet miliona ljudi ostalo je bez krova nad glavom, možda stvar "loše karme" zbog odnosa Kine prema Tibetu.

"Nisam zadovoljna načinom na koji Kinezi tretiraju Tibetance jer mislim da niko ne bi trebalo da se ružno ponaša prema nekom drugom", izjavila je glumica prošlog četvrtka na kanskom crvenom tepihu, preneo je Associated Press.

"I onda se desio ovaj zemljotres i sve te stvari, i pomislila sam, da li je to karma? Kad ti se loše stvari dešavaju kad nisi dobar?"

Sharon Stone nije precizirala u kakvoj bi konkretnijoj vezi žrtve zemljotresa, od kojih su mnoge deca koju je smrt zatekla pod ruševinama škola, mogle biti sa politikom Kine prema Tibetu.

Prema pisanju Hollywood Reportera, jedan od vodećih kineskih lanaca bioskopa zbog ove izjave namerava da odustane od prikazivanja filmova u kojima igra Sharon Stone.

[Alex]

A božja kazna zbog totalitarnog sistema (kao u Burmi)?
Jel to uverljivije malko?

[Ghoul]

BOG REKO: SIROTINJO, STOKO, I MENI SI TEŠKA!

U stampedu poginulo 145 osoba
3. avgust 2008. | 14:04 -> 18:01
| Izvor: Beta, Tanjug Nju Delhi –

U ljudskom stampedu u hinduističkom hramu na severu Indije, poginulo je 145 osoba, a više od 300 je povređeno.

Stampedo se dogodio u jednom hramu u severnoj Indiji. Do nesreće je došlo pošto je, zbog velikog broja posetilaca, popustila ograda stepeništa koje vodi do svetilišta na vrhu brda u državi Himačal Pradeš, 320 kilometara severno od Nju Delhija, prenele su agencije.

Predstavnik policije rekao je da su većina žratva žene i deca. Strahuje se da bi broj žrtatva mogao da poraste.

Jedan neimenovani visoki zvaničnik je rekao za mrežu NDTV da je broj žrtava veliki jer su uspaničeni ljudi trčali zakrčenim stepeništem gazeći decu, žene, stare i klonule, prenela je agencija DPA.

Na hiljade ljudi se okupilo u svetilištu Naina Devi povodom desetodnevnog praznika Šaravan Aštami, veoma popularnog kod hinduističnih vernika, koji je počeo juče.

[Ghoul]

dakle ova STAMPEDA religiozne STOKE me uvek nasmeju:

At least 168 killed in Indian temple stampede

JODHPUR, India - Thousands of pilgrims panicked by false rumors of a bomb stampeded at a Hindu temple in western India on Tuesday, killing at least 168 people in the crush to escape.

Television footage showed dozens of bodies lying on the sidewalk, while nearby frantic people tried to revive unconscious devotees, slapping their faces and pressing on their chests.

One child sat on the ground next to the body of a woman, rubbing her forehead and crying "Mother, Mother."

The disaster occurred just as the doors of the temple were being opened for worship at dawn for more than 12,000 people celebrating a key Hindu festival in the historic city of Jodhpur in Rajasthan state.

The chaos began with false rumors of a bomb, said Ramesh Vyas, a pilgrim who was standing in line.

Tensions are high because India has been hit by a spate of bomb attacks. The latest explosions Monday night in the western cities of Malegaon and Modasa killed six people and wounded 45.

Devotees had broken coconuts as religious offerings and so the temple's floors were slick with coconut milk, causing pilgrims to slip and fall as they scrambled to escape, Vyas said.

Other pilgrims had crammed a narrow 1 1/4-mile path leading to the temple, leaving little room for those fleeing to escape.

The chaos was made worse by the fact there was a power outage at the time. Some pilgrims slipped on the ramp leading to the shrine, the Press Trust of India news agency quoted Director-General of state Police K. S. Bains as saying.

At least 168 people were killed in the stampede, Naresh Pal Gangwar, the district collector, told The Associated Press. Officials said 100 others were injured.

It was the third disaster this year at religious events in India, shocking Hindus as Tuesday marked the first day of Navratra, a nine-day Hindu festival to honor the Mother Goddess.

Deadly stampedes are a relatively common occurrence at temples in India, where large crowds — sometimes hundreds of thousands of people — congregate in small areas lacking facilities to control big gatherings.

In August, 145 people were killed when rumors of an avalanche sparked a stampede at a hilltop temple in northern India.

Jodhpur is some 180 miles southwest of the Rajasthan state capital of Jaipur.

The temple is located inside the 15th-century Mehrangarh fort that overlooks the town. The fort is one of the town's biggest tourist attractions with its huge walls, ornate interiors and views overlooking Jodhpur.

WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW, INDEED?

[Ghoul]

24. novembar 2008.

Više ljudi veruje u NLO nego u Boga

Jedno istraživanje, čije rezultate je objavio londonski "Telegraf", pokazalo je da više ljudi veruje u NLO, marsovce i duhove nego u Boga.

Tokom istraživanje 54 odsto ispitanika reklo je da veruje u Boga dok je 58 odsto kazalo da veruje u natprirodne sile.

Istraživači su ustanovili da žene više od muškaraca veruju u natprirodne sile i da češće posećuju vračare i medijume.

Gotovo četvrtina ispitanika izjavila je da je imala susret sa paranormalnim fenemonom, a 37 odsto da čvrsto veruje u marsovce i duhove.

Istraživanje, koje je obuhvatilo 3.000 ljudi, sprovedeno je povodom izlaska DVD izdanja drugog po redu filma zasnovanom na kultnoj američkoj seriji "Dosije Iks".

[Demo(n)lisher]

Nekada je religija bila opijum za mase, sada je to X Files.

[Ghoul]

važno je da ima šta stoku da drži u stuporu!

[Alexdelarge]

Preminuo ruski patrijarh.

[Ghoul]

Preminuo ruski patrijarh.

pa?
nema boga, je li? kad i patrijarsi umiru?

hm, možda ako je na njega na ulici pao klavir na glavu.
otherwise... pogrešio si topik.

[Shozo Hirono]

Ma bice da je vaskrso.

[Ghoul]

[vilja]

Jebo te bog Ghoule, gde iskopa ovo ?

[Ghoul]

šalju mi razni svašta na mejl!

[vilja]

Izvini što sam radoznala, ali, što baš tebi ?

[Ghoul]

zato što i ja njima šaljem svašta nešto, pa valjda osećaju potrebu da uzvrate sličnim?