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« on: 05-02-2008, 12:49:48 »
S obzirom na nepostojanje striktnog topica za azijsku kinematografiju,nije zgoreg pokrenuti doticni,jer poslednjih 10 godina se javlja tendencija okupranja svetske filmske bastine idejom,filozofijama moderne pokretne slike sa dalekog nam istoka.....

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« Reply #1 on: 05-02-2008, 13:13:44 »
Mad Detective (2007) Johnny To/Ka-Fai Wai ****

Jedan od vodecih tandema HK scene se ponovo upario da bi nam doneo splet cudnih okolnosti,likova povezanih serijskim ubistvima,sluzbom u kojoj rade i misterioznim nestancima kolega.....
Toov osecaj za preciznost,kritican momenat,surovo detaljisanje,magnetna privlacnost harizmaticnim nosiocima glavnih rola,uparen,naravno,sa onim sto Johnnyu esencijalno nedostaje,a to su Waiev tradicionalno kineski dodir sa natprirodnim,bez namere da elemeti fikcije i fantazije budu nosioci radnje.
Na kraju dobijamo produkt koji poseduje jak sentimentalno-melodramaticni karakter,sa Toovim tradicionalno matematickim privodjenjem zavrsetku,koji bas zbog njegove preciznosti gubi snagu i pocetni potencijal za veliko dostignuce.Medjutim, HOWEVER,Johnny To,za razliku od svojih sunarodnika Ang Leea ili Zhang Yimoua,i nikad nije imao tendencuju da stvara monumentalna i krucijlna epska dela sedme umetnosti,vec se naprotiv drzi svoje zanrovske opredeljenosti i zbog toga upravo i ima veliki broj sledbenika i poklonika sirom sveta.
Mad Detective je odlican film,na momente smesan,zbunjuci,sokantan,ali u biti melodramatican,a ono sto je najbitnije,MD na najbolji nacin oslikava paralelu i razliku sa svojim Japanskim pandanom Nightmare Detective,izmedju HK i Japanske kinematografije.

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« Reply #2 on: 19-03-2008, 09:27:38 »
Saekjeuk shigong AKA Sex is Zero (2002) Je-gyun Yun 3.5/5

Korejski blokbaster sa ovogodisnjim nastavkom je simpatican odgovor na americki America Pie serijal,s tom razlikom sto koreanci ipak imaju specifican pogled na svet,jedinstven azijski humor,jak emotivni naboj(mozda i suvise za potencijalnu teen komediju),koji za rezultat na kraju ima vrlo zabavan mali filmcic,sjajno izreziran sa interesantnim jump cut,FF pokretima,u modernom koloritu,sa jakom osloncem na zapadnjacku filozofiju u pogledu soundtrack odabira.
Prilicno explicitan za svoj zanr,je kao takav i bio interesantan americkim distributerima....glavna mana i problem su naravno deja-vu problemi,koje svako ima,podsecajuci se prosecnih americkih uradaka,pa ipak ovo je svakako iznadprosecan film. :!:

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« Reply #3 on: 19-03-2008, 16:52:45 »
Better Than Sex
Lin, a 17 year old high school student thinks the most important thing in his life is his collection of 4,572 porno magazines. Cheng, owner of the biggest pornography store in Taiwan, became Lin's only friend. Before dying, Cheng told Lin "Take this key, go to that place, then you will know what is love, what is sex, and what is the meaning of life."

Moguca li je bolja preporuka?

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« Reply #4 on: 19-03-2008, 17:42:39 »
vidim, ovo se polagano pretvara u SEX topik.

ne bunim se, samo zapažam...

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« Reply #5 on: 04-05-2008, 11:19:23 »
Kung Fu Dunk (2008) Yen-ping Chu 2.5/5

Hongkongska produkcija ume da zabavi,a usled nagle popularnosti kosarke u Kini,i prvih NBA zvezda kakva je Yao Ming,usledio je Shaolin Soccer izmedju dva obruca.Nazalost,sve je otprlike i ostalo na pokusaju otimanja slave ionako ne bas preterano kvalitetnom prethodniku Stephen Chowa.
Ono sto je najbolje u ovom filmu,pored extra odradjenih vratolomija,i poslovicno kvalitetnih kunf fu machopremalcivanja,je izuzetna scenografija i kompletan setting,koji barem malo skrece paznju sa cinjenice da je ovo ipak deciji film,i ne za starije od 12 godina recimo. :)

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« Reply #6 on: 04-05-2008, 11:28:44 »
Ovakve sam boje ocekivao od Ardjentove Trece Majke,a dobio ih od kineskog decijeg funlovin' teatra !!!

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« Reply #7 on: 06-05-2008, 08:23:56 »
Cheung Gong 7 hou (2008) Stephen Chow  3.5/5

Stephen Chow je opet iznenadio azijsku publiku,i podelio kritiku,decijim filmom o decaku iz siromasne cetvrti u susretu sa UFO elementima.Rasprava na azijskim forumima ide preko upotrebe Cantonese i Mandarian jezika u istom filmu,shodno castu razlicitih kineskih klinaca,iz suprotnih kantona,pa do otvorenih pitanja,dali je CJ7 halucinogeni masterpiece,ili samo jedan prosecni E.T. rip-off.
S obzirom na svoje prethodnike Chow ovde ne koristi previse CGI,a i sebe je svesno stavio u drugi plan,gurajuci tako gomilu klinaca pod svetlo pozornice.
CJ7 je malo sirovo gradivo za zapadnjacku publiku,pre svega zbog intheface humora i tradicionalnog pateticnog izliva emocija,koji pomalo izazivaju mixed-up osecaje kod starijih adolescenata,a s druge strane,film i nije usmeren ka iskusnijim filmofilima,vec bi mozda bilo lepo da domaci distributeri izvade glavu iz Harry Potterove guzice,i pokazu nesto drugacije nasim klincima u domacim bioskopima. :)

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« Reply #8 on: 10-05-2008, 23:51:10 »
Gun of Mercy (2007) Xiaofeng ***

Jos jedan ovogodisnji HK blockbuster bioskopski hit,koji za divno cudo IMDb jos uvek ne registruje,je ponovno kinesko poigravanje omiljenom im tematikom,velicanjem zivota i smrti u uslovima kada ljudi jednostavno ne mogu jedni bez drugih.
Patetika all the way & bad to the bone karakter biva narusen prelepom scenografijom,ali i ispod prosecnom rezijom akcionih sekvenci i sturim koriscenjem specijalnih efekata.
Film ipak na neposredan nacin,i nazalost nevesto,pokazuje najveceg prirodnog neprijatelja Kine,poplave,odrone zemljista, divlje i nabujale ogromne reke,koje u Gun of Mercy odnose ravno:jedan zivot....i to neposredno ! :x

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« Reply #9 on: 11-07-2008, 00:11:15 »
Chugyeogja AKA The Chaser (2008) Hong-jin Na 4.5/5

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Neverovatna stvar kako su hollywoodski producenti brzo reagovali ovog puta,i samo nekoliko nedelja posle javnog prikazivanja otkupili prava za rimejk !FILM JE ZAISTA FANTASTICAN !
Ako moderan akcioni-triler moze danas da pruzi jednako uzbudjenje od oba zanra,onda je to DEBI !Hong-jin Na,The Chaser !Vec u prvih 20 minuta sam se pitao nekoliko puta:Kako im samo uspeva ???Taman kad covek pomisli da korejci ne mogu ni priblizno prici Memoirs of a Murder vise ikad,a ono dodje neki debitant,i pokaze kako oni izrastaju u vodecu filmsku industriju....The Chaser vam ne da pet minuta da uzmete dah,niti par sekundi da sklopite oci,jer svaka recenica odaje po jednu sitnicu u dinamicnom scenariju,a sto je najbitnije,ta prica ni malo ne podilazi gledaocu,tako da krajnji efekat ima prilicno gorak ukus u ustima,and a lot to think about !....koliko ce americki rimejkbiti osakacen,videt cemo.....
Anyway,neverovatan debi autora,jake i realisticne role svih vodecih pojedinaca,poslovicno izvrsna scenografija,sa tradicionalno gomilom prolivenih litara kise,prilicnim brojem gore elemenata za jedan triler i jedan vanserijski akcioni dozivljaj.....totalna preporuka ovog puta !!! :D

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« Reply #10 on: 11-07-2008, 09:36:40 »
Zvuči divno. Kakva vrsta kopije je u opticaju?

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« Reply #11 on: 11-07-2008, 10:48:36 »
"Warner Bros. has picked up remake rights to South Korea's surprise hit The Chaser from director Na Hong-jin, reports Variety."

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« Reply #12 on: 11-07-2008, 11:01:09 »
Quote from: "Meho Krljic"
Zvuči divno. Kakva vrsta kopije je u opticaju?

Najbolja,DVDRip velicine 1,4 podeljen na 2 fajla,zasad samo sa engleskim prevodom......


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« Reply #13 on: 11-07-2008, 13:56:41 »
Engleski prevod je sve što tražim od njih!!!

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« Reply #14 on: 11-07-2008, 19:02:33 »
Ovo ću pogledati, čak i sa mojim limitiranim vremenom posvećenom filmovima.
Kad smo kod prevoda, ona verzija Sympathy for Lady Vengeance koja je bila u našim video-klubovima imala je najgori prevod (ako to može tako da se nazove) koji sam ikada video u filmovima. Ne znam korejski, govorim o gramatici i semantici. Daju botovima da prevode, šta?
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« Reply #15 on: 12-07-2008, 04:58:18 »
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Engleski prevod je sve što tražim od njih!!!


Evo ti/vam ga ovdje, ja ga upravo skidam:

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« Reply #16 on: 12-07-2008, 15:16:34 »
chaser

jeeeebote bog, NAJZAD triler koji je actually THRILLING!!!!

prvih pola sata – izvanredno!
javljam se kad završim, ali ako nastavi ovako...
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« Reply #17 on: 12-07-2008, 17:15:33 »

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« Reply #18 on: 12-07-2008, 17:21:00 »
U jebote.
Jel to najviša ocena koju si ikad dao nekom filmu?
Nekoć si bio punk, sad si Štefan Frank.

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« Reply #19 on: 12-07-2008, 21:12:29 »
evo i ja drndam to isto,moram da pogledam...

Poslednje iz korejskih produkcija mi je bio onaj...thing valjda,ona velika riba sta li....
a pre toga Old Boy....

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« Reply #20 on: 12-07-2008, 21:23:39 »
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evo i ja drndam to isto,moram da pogledam...

Poslednje iz korejskih produkcija mi je bio onaj...thing valjda,ona velika riba sta li....

Gwoemul AKA The Host ! :evil:

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« Reply #21 on: 12-07-2008, 23:12:15 »
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Quote from: "SVAROG"
evo i ja drndam to isto,moram da pogledam...

Poslednje iz korejskih produkcija mi je bio onaj...thing valjda,ona velika riba sta li....

Gwoemul AKA The Host ! :evil:

bravo!Jest, Host,taj!
Pazi mene...
dobro je imati te na ovom forumu i pratiti tvoje preporuke!
Keep up the good work! :wink:

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« Reply #22 on: 12-07-2008, 23:40:43 »
Ja sam actually šokiran. The Chaser je IZVANREDAN. Najviše zato što tokom celog trajanja (koje nije malo - još malo pa dva i po sata) postaje sve bolji i bolji iako već posle prve trećine deluje kao da je čovek ispucao sve mogućnosti premise.

Moram da kažem da sam tokom celog gledanja mislio nešto u stilu "Kada je Holivud izgubio sposobnost da snimi ovakav film?" Mislim, ovo je verovatno koštalo kao jedna desetina Grind House, ali zašto Dejvidi Finčeri i  Eli Rotovi i Roberti Rodrigezi i Džejmsovi Kameroni (dopisati po želji) danas ne mogu da snime ovakav film? Da li je moguće da nema dovoljno publike koja ne bi gledala film u kome nema

* pin up zvezda
* prenaduvane melodrame
* prenaduvane akcije

a koji bi koštao malo para?

The Chaser je film koji je neverovatno elegantan jer

* ima zaplet koji je nepredvidiv a opet logičan
* izvanredno je brutalan a opet savršeno umeren u svemu
* istovremeno prikazuje i najstrašniju socijalnu patologiju i najprostiju, neideologizovanu naturalističku čovečnost (think American Psycho meets Hubert Selby meets Ljubiša Samardžić or something)
* je režiran lepršavo a opet kompleksno
* neobjašnjen preokret sa detetom (barem je meni bilo nejasno šta se devojčici desilo i zašto) i prilično vidljiv plot hole (glavni junak ima ključeve sve vreme u džepu a zaboravlja to u odsudnim trenucima policijske istrage) mu zapravo ne smetaju

Stvarno je uživanje gledati film u kome

* nema isforsiranog character developmenta (na primer, ne eksploatiše se simboličko očinstvo glavnog junaka)
* policija nije predstavljena kao skupina superheroja ili skupina retardiranih budala, već kao *gulp* skupina ljudi samanama i vrlinama
* je comic relief nenametljiv i funkcionalan
* motivi i razlozi nisu obesmišljeni preteranom elaboracijom (čak, naprotiv, film ismeva ovu ideju)
* skript nije napisan tako da prepričava događaje iz filma

Kao bonus ću dodati i to da je konačno glavni junak u nekom azijskom filmu muškarac koji mi nije izazvao erekciju. To se retko događa. Mada su žene, razume se, sve odreda lepe kao anđeli.

Sve u svemu, film koji svako treba da pogleda, više nego jednom.

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« Reply #23 on: 13-07-2008, 00:27:44 »
Pogledao na Koreanfilm.org i kažu da je The Chaser najgledaniji film ove godine u Koreji, za 20% više nego Iron Man (5 miliona prema 4 miliona prodatih karata). I tamo sam naletio i na ovo:

Looking ahead, the year will see new films from several established names. Kim Jee-woon returns with his ambitious spaghetti Western The Good, the Bad, the Weird, scheduled for a July release, and Park Chan-wook's long-awaited vampire movie Thirst may be ready in time for December.
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« Reply #24 on: 13-07-2008, 15:32:02 »
Tako, pored svih gornjih preporuka za film, imate i jednu moju: efektivno, sinoc u gledanju filma provedenih vise od dva sata, a da mi ni sekunde nije bilo zao...
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« Reply #25 on: 14-07-2008, 16:37:17 »
Uljuljkivanje u komiku sredinom filma je maestralno izvedeno, poboljsava ton celokupne drame, dodatno upecativsi junake. Inferiorni Holivud ovako nesto ne moze da snimi, dobrim delom zbog nekompetentnosti scenarista, rezisera, konfekcijskih glumaca, uz to vec obogaljenih naletima politkorektnih brigada. Tu bi se pre gledali stereotipi, raspodela uloga po rasama, strah od prikazivanja nasilja (i uz to, medjuljudskih odnosa), da se neko ne uvredi...ustajali pesak u vaginama bez zuba. Publike svakako ima, ali poluga koje bi digle taj jaram nema. Bar ne za visu produkciju.
Sam scenario nije savrsen -neubedljivo pustanje iz stanice, pomenuti kljucevi...ni meni nije bilo jasno sta se desilo sa devojcicom. Takodje, voleo bih da znam vise o serijskom, njegovom autsajderstvu, otudjenosti.
Kamera, rezija, gluma - odlicni. Pronalazenje parazitske strave u srzi svakodnevice, mirnoj patologiji u birokratskom okrilju policijske stanice, vesto izbegavsi patetiku, presek drustvenog ozracja, gnjurenje ispod povrsine, sve je uklopljeno tako da nedostaci pojedinih detalja predstavljaju samo manje zamerke, niposto ne oduzimajuci od konacnog utiska, uz nekoliko antologijskih scena. Remek delo.

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« Reply #26 on: 14-07-2008, 17:15:30 »
"neubedljivo pustanje iz stanice" = ako misliš na ono što su moral ida ga puste jer nisu imali dokaza... pa, imajući u vidu način na koji je priveden, i objašnjenje kome verujem na reč, da tako piše u nekom zakonu da bez dokaza ne mogu da ga drže duže od 12 sati, meni to pije vodu.

"sta se desilo sa devojcicom" = meni je to zaista zasmetalo, kao da je tu isečena scena; nije da je bitno za priču (pretpostavljam da su na nju naletela neka kola – neka svinja koja je produžila dalje) ali je u do tada glatko vođenoj priči to bio jedan manji ŠTUC!

da, slažem se: holivud ovako nešto ne može danas ni da ZAMISLI.
znači, nije stvar u resursima, u cenzurama, u komisijama, u ovome ili onome nego samo i jedino u tome što je promenjen mindframe u kome filmovi nastaju, gde je sve podređeno GIMMICKu a sve manje imaš priča koje su zasnovane na LIKU i koje se razvijaju IZ LIKA.

verovatno su i u ovome holivucki rimejkaši videli samo gimmick:
wow, the clock is ticking, žrtva je nesvesna u domu ubice, hoće li biti spasena pre nego što sat otkuca 12, dakle klasika još iz doba nemog filma: cura je vezana na pruzi, hoće li je neko spasti pre nego što naiđe voz u 03.10 za jumu?
a njen makro će da bude pajkan zlatnog srca koga proganja smrt supruge nakon čega je napustio policiju, a možda mu je i ćerka poginula, pride (da mu lik bude dublji, a neobrijane čekinje još tvrđe i masnije-zapuštenije) tako da, onda,... bla bla...

nešto razmišljam, taj rimejk bi imao bar DUH ŠANSE ako bi makroa igrao miki rurk.

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« Reply #27 on: 14-07-2008, 17:32:20 »
pa, mogu da to podvedem pod nesposobnost, cinovnicki strah - postoji istorija policijskih propusta sa serijskim ubicama (cikatilo, damer itd) ali ipak je tip priznao i to ne neubedljivo - dakle, ocekivao bih daleko stegnutiji odnos prema njemu, proveru, efektnije pracenje, vise paznje tom detalju koji ipak nista znacajno ne kvari.
da, holivudska razrada (ko zna, mozda i rimejk padne) ovoga ne bi videla dalje od tropa, bitno bi bilo da se one postave, dok za valjanu izvedbu nema kapaciteta. cak i da daju rurku da glumi, ma i rurku iz osamdesetih, ugusio bi ga smrad 21. veka oko njega. osim ako bi ga izmestili u neko zdravije okruzenje. ipak su istocnjaci napredni, imaju filtere za filtere.

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« Reply #28 on: 14-07-2008, 18:45:16 »
South Korean Police, 12 July 2008
Author: gonzo29 from South Korea


Actually, the South Korean police ARE about as inept (or worse) than portrayed in the movie.

The movie is based on a true story, and if I remember correctly it WAS the "pimps" that caught the killer, not the police. It was the "pimps" that found the common thread of the killer's phone number linked to the missing girls...the police didn't want to hear about any of it.

More recently (May 2008 or so) there was an abduction attempt of a young girl in Korea. A neighbour, hearing the girl's screams saved her. The kidnapper got away. There was CCTV footage of the attack, the kidnapper's face could be seen clearly in the video, and the police REFUSED to look at it. The gitl's family begged them to look at the video to find the kidnapper. The police said it was a common assault (the kidnapper beat the girl) and not a serious enough crime to pursue. They also wrned the family NOT to go to the press with their story. They did, and finally the President of Korean had to step in and tell the police to do their jobs.

The scene of the police officers SLEEPING in their car is a common sight for anyone living in South Korea. I see it all the time.

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« Reply #29 on: 14-07-2008, 18:51:35 »
Trivia: A surprise box-office hit in Korea, with a relatively unknown cast and a first-time feature director (Hong-jin Na), this low-budget thriller is currently sitting comfortably at the top of the most seen films of the year in the country. Was quickly snatched up by Leonardo DiCaprio’s production company with The Departed writer William Monahan intended to direct.

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« Reply #30 on: 14-07-2008, 19:13:14 »
znas li vise o tom istinitom dogadjaju?
a ovo drugo, jedno je kad kidnapuje, pa i ubija nepronadjen, drugo je kad u stanici prizna da je smakao tolko i tolko komata.
nego,

sledeci mu je THE MURDERER:
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A dark tale concerning a man forced to become a murderer to overcome starvation.
 
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Slabo te citam Shozo  :oops: , sad vidim da si napisao da se sprema holivudanje...

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« Reply #31 on: 14-07-2008, 19:18:07 »
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A dark tale concerning a man forced to become a murderer to overcome starvation.
 
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 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  ukradoše mi ideju

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još samo da mi ukradu ideju o.... EDIT  :evil:
Najjači forum na kojem se osjećam kao kod kuće i gdje uvijek mogu reći što mislim bez posljedica, mada ipak ne bih trebao mnogo pričati...

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« Reply #32 on: 14-07-2008, 19:22:32 »
:shock:  kako sam propustio ovaj dragulj?
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/weird/yoo_young_cheol/1.html
Son of Mane, znade li ti za ovog?

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« Reply #33 on: 14-07-2008, 19:43:33 »
procitavsi clanak, mislim da se pustanje nakon priznanja moze podvesti pod reziserovo svesno parodiranje policije, i potpuno biti prihvaceno kao takvo, u svetlu traljavosti (zato sam i rekao parazitska strava - u smislu nesvesnosti, nesavesnosti prema parazitu). takodje, sada mi ne smeta sto se film nije vise bavio biografijom ubice. recimo, nedavno su ameri izbacili ZODIJAK, film slicne tematike, i to veoma dobar - i premda ima nekoliko odlicnih scena, u odnosu na CHUGYEOGJA deluje sputano, svakako ne zato sto je Fincer nevest. ali, ovaj film je slobodniji produkt zdravije klime, uza svu vestinu rezisera, glumaca, scenarista...to je bitna kinematografska stavka.

takodje,
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Police admitted that they had little to go on, citing lack of evidence or witnesses.  Adding to the climate of fear in the city was a news documentary about the string of murders.  After that was aired, Internet message boards flooded with gossip and hearsay such as women should avoid wearing red or white on rainy days or on Thursdays.  Much of this was influenced not by facts, but from the Korean thriller "Memories of Murder."

uz to, na http://www.nydreamer.com/2008/05/25/i-want-to-see-this-movie-the-chaser-chugyeogja-2008/
pise da bi kasapljenu verziju rezirao Nolan, a glumio DiKaprio...nesto high profilisanije nego sto bih ocekivao.

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« Reply #34 on: 15-07-2008, 07:51:13 »
Za mene je cela zavrzlama oko policije i puštanja ubojice iz pritvora manje problematična jer je prilično napora uloženo da se pokaže kako je ovo kritika ne samo birokratizovanog sistema nego urbane konfuzije/ otuđenosti uopšte. Kako gore (ne)rekoh, nešto kao Američki Psiho meets Policajca sa Petlovog brda. Ono, jeste, u scenariju je potrošeno prilično vremena da se obrazlože političke konotacije celog slučaja, sa fekalnim incidentom u koji je umešan gradončelnik, te sa činjenicom da je isti ubojica već dvaput privođen i puštan zbog nedostatka dokaza, a da je ovom prilikom zdravo oplavljen a mediji samo čekaju još neki kiks policije pa da skidaju glave...

Mislim, pored svega, naravno da je skoro neverovatno da čovek zajebava celu stanicu, daje pogrešnu adresu stanovanja i smeje se njihovim pokušajima da ga pronađu i da na kraju odlazi kao slobodan čovek, ali to je ona umetnička sublimacija realnosti koja završava kao ne-realna ali plauzibilna slika u umetničkom delu. Dakle, ja bih ovaj element filma posmatrao više kao nabokovljevsku (Poziv na pogubljenje) farsu nego kao strejt ap priču.

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« Reply #35 on: 18-07-2008, 22:58:06 »
Quote from: "Ghoul"

"sta se desilo sa devojcicom" = meni je to zaista zasmetalo, kao da je tu isečena scena; nije da je bitno za priču (pretpostavljam da su na nju naletela neka kola – neka svinja koja je produžila dalje) ali je u do tada glatko vođenoj priči to bio jedan manji ŠTUC!

I think it's the delivery motobiker that drove away, ran over her.There were plates and foods scattered around her.

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« Reply #36 on: 18-07-2008, 23:06:32 »
I jos malo razjasnjenja,s obzirom na dinamiku,tesko je bilo pohvatati sve sitnice:

***********SPOJLERI !*******************

Towards the end, the pimp went to the church and questioned a priest about the serial killer. The priest identified the serial killer as Mr. Park when he's shown with the ID photo. But didn't the ID card reads Ji Young Min (the serial killer's name)? Also, how did the pimp find out which house the serial killer's located?
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well mr. park was the name of the guy whose house the serial killer was living at. the older couple who came by from the church were asking about mr. park because they hadn't seen him in a while, so that would be how the pimp found the right house.

how the priest got mr. park from the id card though, i don't know.
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The priest said that Park and Young-min Jee where friends and that Park would probably know where to find Young-min Jee.
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I think park was housing the killer, the killer is the one design the Jesus cross, thats why priest can identified the ID and also know he is staying with park.
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Mr. Park whose house where the hell took places at, is the sponsor of the church.

The very house, nametag on the front entrance it says "Park,(put your fav korean name here)," in chinese characters.

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« Reply #37 on: 18-07-2008, 23:13:26 »

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« Reply #38 on: 23-07-2008, 08:38:09 »
Deo Ge-im AKA The Devil's Game AKA The Game (2008) Yun In-Ho ***

Evo jednog Korejca od kojeg sam ocekivao znatno vise,koji je btw i podigao znacajnu masu prasine na trekerima i blogovima,medjutim....
Zvezda filma je dobro poznati nam Ha-kyun Shin iz filmova kao sto su No Mercy for the Rude,Welcome to Dongmakgol,Save the Green Planet!,Sympathy for Mr. Vengeance i Joint Security Area i njegov posao u ovom filmu je korektno odradjen.Tematika filma je puno puta prezvakana vec tokom godina i u razlicitim produkcijama i industrijama,i na razlicite nacine...to je slucaj i ovde.Prilicno pravolinijsko kretanje radnje,uz nazalost dosta nepotrebne patetike,a uz to sa malo akcije,a mnogo potrosenih litara kise,nije donelo mnogo dobroga.Neobican twist na kraju malo osvezava sliku,ali ne dovoljno da bi celokupan ugodjaj imao moju pozitivnu kritiku......a mozda se Ha-kyun Shin  samo zagrevao za novi C.W.Parkov Thirst.

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« Reply #39 on: 23-07-2008, 08:45:30 »
For Korean filmmaker Park Chan-wook, revenge is a dish best served live.

The director most associated with the "Asian extreme" genre and known for his "Vengeance trilogy," once made one of his actors eat a live octopus -- three times.

Many of his films then are not for the faint-hearted, or weak of stomach, but devouring a live cephalopod is relatively mild compared to some of the themes of Park's films.

However, it's the psychology of violence rather than all-out blood, guts and tentacles that has been the focus of much of his work.

"It's the fear and disturbance that comes right before the violent act and the pain that comes after it. ... I am not greatly interested in the action itself. I believe that portraying violence in this way does not really influence audiences to engage in violence," he said.

The 44-year-old filmmaker's skewed view first gained international attention with his "Vengeance trilogy": "Sympathy for Mr. Vengeance" was released in 2002; "Old Boy" won the Cannes Grand Jury Prize in 2004; followed by "Lady Vengeance" in 2005. Park, however, first found big-screen success in 2000 with "Joint Security Area."

Portraying North Korean soldiers in a more sympathetic light than their South Korean counterparts, "Joint Security Area" became the top all-time moneymaker in South Korea at the time.

It took a liberal view of a previously taboo subject, but did not hint at the stylized and inventive way in which the director took on some dark themes in the "Vengeance" films.

While there are plenty of visceral elements in his films, and some jolting editing techniques (he once described them as "like a knife cutting through tofu"), the considered and soft-spoken director is worlds away from his twisted films' characters.

"Personally, I think that my normality and the fact that I grew up in a very average environment made me grow tired of it all, and make movies to escape the monotony," he said.

Park has said that his early movie education mainly came from watching old Hollywood films. Many influences on his work have come from sources outside of cinema, including Manga comics, one of which was the inspiration for "Old Boy".

"At first when I heard the story, it was about a person who was thrown into the middle of nowhere, without knowing why he was there or how long he would have to stay. I was attracted by this setting. This, for me, was a significant depiction of the condition of human beings. Aren't we all born to this earth without a reason? And we also don't know when we're going to die...I was attracted to this idea for the movie."

Knowing that he wanted to be a filmmaker came towards the end of his student days.

It was his interest in aesthetics as a student of philosophy that led to an initial ambition to be a film critic. It was only when he saw Hitchcock's "Vertigo" for the first time as part of a student film society did he realized he had to switch from writing about film to making it.

Added to that personal epiphany, it was the same day that he met his future wife, with whom he has as 12-year-old daughter.
His last film, "I'm a Cyborg," took a different tack from those used to the depravity of the "Vengeance trilogy". Focusing on a patient in a mental institution who thinks she's a robot, it has an off-beat charm, and the hyper-violence of earlier films was dispensed with in favor of child-like whimsy.
As well as showing another side of Park's character, he has admitted it was also a chance to make a film his daughter could enjoy with her friends. His next work, "Thirst," a vampire film, will be a return to violence and twisted relationships .

"I think it will be the most moral movie of mine ever, because the main character doesn't really want to drink but has to go through the conflict of that and so it will be dark, it won't be the darkest film," he told CNN.

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« Reply #40 on: 24-07-2008, 09:33:23 »
'Kimchi Westerns': A struggling South Korean movie industry hopes for revival
The Associated PressPublished: July 23, 2008

 

HONG KONG: South Korean movie executives are watching to see if an unusual summer blockbuster — a "kimchi western"_ can help change the fortunes of a struggling domestic industry known for holding its own against Hollywood imports.

The US$17 million "The Good, the Bad, the Weird" is about three Koreans — a bounty hunter, a bandit, and a train robber — who battle for a valuable map in an area of northeastern China known as Manchuria during the Japanese occupation of the 1930s.

Reviving the genre of "Manchurian westerns," popular in South Korea in the 1960s and 1970s, the movie features three of the country's biggest stars and the title mimics Italian Sergio Leone's highly successful 1966 western "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly."

The tag "kimchi western" also mimics the 1960s genre of Italian films dubbed "spaghetti westerns." Kimchi is a typical Korean dish.

The lavish production, directed by Kim Jee-woon, comes during a depression in the South Korean movie industry.

"It is my desire to broaden the scope of Korean cinema and add to its different colors," Kim told The Associated Press.

Once the pride of Asian cinema for its epic historical dramas and gut-wrenching love stories, South Korean cinema is losing its luster abroad and suffering disappointing box office figures at home.

In 2006, overseas sales plummeted nearly 70 percent from a year earlier to US$25 million, with Japanese sales plunging 83 percent to US$10 million, according to figures compiled by the Korean Film Council.

Last year, leading South Korean movie production company CJ Entertainment broke even on only five of the 36 movies it invested in and distributed, according to the yearbook Korean Cinema 2007.

And a Hollywood movie was the box office champion in the capital Seoul for the first time in recent years when "Transformers" drew nearly 2.3 million viewers.

The top local movie, the dragon thriller "D-War" came second with about 2.1 million admissions.

By contrast, the No. 1 movie in 2006, the South Korean monster thriller "The Host," drew about 3.6 million viewers in Seoul.

Movie executives are hoping the new star-studded production — featuring Jung Woo-sung, Lee Byung-hun and Song Kang-ho — can turn the tide.

"It is being seen as a critical release for the film industry as a whole — both because it's such an expensive, risky project and because there has been so little good news for the industry this year," said Darcy Paquet, founder of Koreanfilm.org.

The movie was shown in May at the Cannes Film Festival where it received positive reviews.

Hollywood trade magazine Variety's reviewer Derek Elley said it lacked the "epic breadth" of Leone's "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly" but its style is "100 percent Korean."

CJ Entertainment Director of Film Festivals Heejeon Kim said the movie has been sold to distributors in the U.S., Europe, Turkey, Iran, Russia, Singapore and Vietnam.

The film has drawn 2.7 million viewers nationwide since opening last Thursday, according to statistics provided by CJ Entertainment.

"If it sells 8 or 10 million tickets, then it may provide some reassurance to nervous investors that local audiences are still interested in Korean films," Paquet said.

But some observers also say a lone hit can't save the entire industry.

"What the industry needs is more films that make profit than one hit," said Jonathan Kim, chief executive of another South Korean movie studio, Dyne Film.
Nema potrebe da zalis me, mene je vec sram
Nema potrebe da hvalis me, dobro ja to znam

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« Reply #41 on: 24-07-2008, 13:08:48 »
Imaju finansijskih problema i okolne filmske industrije,pogotovo Hong Kong,ali za razliku od Hollywooda barem imaju slobodne autore,dok globalisti imaju mocne producente. 8)

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« Reply #42 on: 06-08-2008, 10:10:41 »
Eijanaika (1981) Shohei Imamura 3.5/5

Uvek je specijalan dan za mene kada se gledaju Imamurina remek dela.Svakih pola godine naostrim ochne kapke,protrljam mozdane celije,udahnem duboko,i krenem u zivotno-istorijsko iskustvo,nikad krace od 2 sata.Eijanaika traje 2 i po sata,ali koliko god neverovatno zvucalo,ovog puta su umetnost i emocija bile uskracene upravo zbog nedostatka dodatnih pola sata.Zasto?
Majstor jednostavnog zapleta ostaje MAJSTOR,i tu nema spora.Kenji je mladi Japanac,godina je 1866a.Njega brodom,pijanog,na obalu Yokohame dopremaju Amerikanci uz reci:"Kenji je americki drzavljanin sada(a nija ga bilo 6 godina !),treat him with respect !"Naravno,izlisno je reci da ga Japanci odmah strpaju u zatvor,iz kog on odmah i bezi.
Nesto ranije veleposednik,plemenski vodja,vlasnik bordela,osvedoceni poligamista,Kinzo na lukav i prepreden nacin sprovodi totalitarnu politiku dizanjem cena pirinca i ulja,izazivajuci nemire i pobune,koje uspesno reflektuje na protivnike.Sa njim zajedno kao bodyguard koraca i Furukawa,bivsi samuraj,sada ronin.
Bez prevelike pompe i naglasavanja Imamura Kenjiev dolazak simbolicno vezuje istorjiskim dogadjijama.Amerikanci ga(Jenikiji) vracaju kuci 1866e,a bio je tamo 6 godina,sto naravno znaci da je bio iskoriscen u gradjanskim sukobima 1861-65,a posle toga elegantno sutnut nazad.Na njegovoj sudbini Imamura fantasticno opisuje sudbinu prosecnog,siromasnog Japanca u XIX veku.Kenji je ponizavan,varan,hapsen,pustan,iskoriscavan,dizan iz pepela od pionira seoske pobune do tragicnog heroja.Na slican nacin,njegova zena Ine je simbol prosecne Japanke XIX veka,sto je u filmu jos explicitnije i grotesknije prikazano.Kada Kenji po povratku dodje zeninoj kuci,posle 6 godina,ocekuju ga tastove reci:"Nismo imali para,morali smo da je prodamo !!!"Imamura zenske likove tretira u Eijanaiki surovije no ikad.Ne postoji ni jedna koja nije kupovana,prodavana,silovana ili odata prostituciji.
Poseban i najbolji deo filma je poslednjih 20 minuta,koji se mogu nazvati i Imamurinom kadencom,jer se on do te mere specijalizovao,da mu retko ko ikad moze prici.On na duhovit nacin karnevalsko-maskaradnu paradu pretvara u pobunu protiv vladara,sa gorkim obrtom.Grupne scene su majstorski odradjene na sjajnim lokacijama.
Vrlo je tesko kvalitetno vrednovati Imamurine filmove,jer oni disu i posle nekoliko dana i nedelja,slike stizu jedna drugu,a elementi bivaju jasniji i znacajniji.Ipak,uvodjenjem gomile likova,obuceih u autenticne nosnje,predstavljenih u nekih 10ak minuta,Imamura stvara malu pometnju i konfuziju.Dijalozi su brzi i efektni,ali i teski za pohvatati.Duhovitost i vrcavost iz prvih pola sata se pretvaraju psihilosko seciranje likova,drustveno degradiranje i ismevanje.U tome je uspeo,ali meni licno fali Imamura koji mi ostavlja veru u zivot,i sirok osmeh na licu.

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« Reply #43 on: 06-08-2008, 12:37:13 »
verovatno znas, al:
Quote from: "Shozo Hirono"
Furukawa,bivsi samuraj,sada ronin.

ronin je i dalje samuraj.

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« Reply #44 on: 06-08-2008, 12:52:26 »
Pa, dobro, al nema stalnog poslodavca. :lol:

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« Reply #45 on: 06-08-2008, 13:10:24 »
ni sepuku u rezimeu  :evil:

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« Reply #46 on: 06-08-2008, 14:55:10 »
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verovatno znas, al:
Quote from: "Shozo Hirono"
Furukawa,bivsi samuraj,sada ronin.

ronin je i dalje samuraj.

Znam,a i znam sta pisem,jer gore navedeno ima smislenu materijalizaciju u samom filmu. :wink:

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« Reply #47 on: 06-08-2008, 15:22:23 »
******QUOTE*******

Hanjiro:The Shogunate's people are to blame,They are no longer samurai. They're just fools
Furukawa:Don't you think samurai are necessary?
Hanjiro:That's going too far,you think farmers and
merchants can lead Japan?
Furukawa:America has no samurai
Hanjiro:Our history is different. Samurai have pride,Farmers and merchants are no patriots.
Furukawa:You should blame the social system
Hanjiro:Nonsense.Why did you come here?Because you are a samurai, right?
Furukawa:Yes. Because I'm a samurai,I will kill you.I still can't forget I'm a samurai.

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« Reply #48 on: 12-08-2008, 12:58:18 »
Biyeolhan geori AKA A Dirty Carnival (2006) Ha Yu ***

A Dirty Carnival je jedan od mnogih Korejskih filmova poslednjih godina u kojima su nosioci radnje mladi kriminalci,odnosno u ovom slucaju mladi 29ogodisnji gangster.Film ima sve naznake kvalitetne tvorevine,dobru reziju,sjajan set,kvalitetan cast,ali ne uspeva da dobaci do svojih mnogo kvalitetnijih Korejskih prethodnika A Bittersweet Life ili Chingoo.
Ja znam da azijati vole karaoke(a posebno gangsteri ili jakuze !),jer im to dodje kao neka zal za mladost ili what so ever,emotivno praznjenje,ALI ovoliko karaoka i vriskanja na jednom mestu tesko ce covek naci.Cak se i main theme(neki korejski pop hit!),toliko usadi u organizam,da vas progoni danima !Naravno imamo i ogromne kolicine kise.
Ha Yuov pad u odnosu na prethodni Once Upon a Time in High School,zato sto A Dirty Carnival nema tradicionalnu nenametljivu duhovitost,ne ostvaruje ozbiljniji dodir sa gledaocem,ostaje usamljen u senci sveta o kome prica.Predvidivost je veliki problem takodje,tako da mozda Ha Yuu mozda fali malo Miikeove sokantne bizarnosti,ne bi li postigao kriticki uspeh svojih zemljaka.

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« Reply #49 on: 13-08-2008, 17:14:37 »
If you're in dire need of a break from all things Indiana Jones this weekend, then we've got something just for you. The Good, The Bad, and The Weird is a Korean spaghetti western that's currently playing at the Cannes Film Festival. I hadn't even really heard of this until I saw the trailer, but now I'm pushing this out there because it looks so damn good. It reminds me a lot of Takashi Miike's Sukiyaki Western Django, but considering that film was absolute trash, this one looks a thousand times better. Plus - it's playing at Cannes! The fact that it got in and is playing there says a lot! I know this isn't everyone's cup o' tea, but it's a very refreshing diversion from the big summer blockbusters. Enjoy!
The 30ties in the Mandchurian desert. The Weird steals a map from a Japanese official. The Bad is paid to get it back. The Good is a bounty hunter who tracks them down. In this unpredictable, escalating battle for the map and the men, who will stand in the end as the winner?

The Good, The Bad, and The Weird is directed by Korean filmmaker Jee-woon Kim of A Tale of Two Sisters and A Bittersweet Life previously. The film has already played in theaters in Korea and is currently showing at the Cannes Film Festival in France. The film does not has a US distributor yet and has no US release date, although I'm hoping it will show at the Toronto Film Festival this year and probably pick up a US distributor quite soon.