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lilit

premda je i ovo klasno zavisno, migranti iz sirije (jes da mi je uzorak od 3 porodice premali) koji imaju pare, obrazovanje i znaju jezik čak i u hard core austriji ne žive lošije nego u damasku. al to je well-known story.
That's how it is with people. Nobody cares how it works as long as it works.

Meho Krljic

Pa, oni nisu deo ugnjetenog proleterijata  :lol: :lol: :lol:

lilit

ma ja samo da podržim teoriju da je markizam majka a nacionalizam plebs zabava :lol: :lol:
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Dybuk

Ali, da li te 3 well-off porodice zive bolje od lokalnog plebsa, ili srpskog plebsa?  :)

Mislim da je ovo suvise komplikovana stvar da bi se otpisala kao ekonomski/socijalni problem, jer ko hoce da uci i radi na sebi moze da zivi bolje od svojih roditelja. A znamo da ne-muslimanske X i Y gen ne zive neophodno bolje od svojih roditelja. S druge strane, videli smo da je sto se mrznje tice na delu manipulacija ljudi koji su vec u sukobu sa zakonom ili prosto podlozni radikalizaciji. Takodje imam osecaj da se ovim 'verskim ratom' i odgovorom zapada na njega dodatno antagonizuju prethodno neradikalni ljudi, obican narod.

Krsta Klatić Klaja

pa vjerski rat je jedini način da Evropljani zadrže svoje bogatstvo... svako otvaranje prema migrantima znači prelivanje keša u muslimanske ruke

realno, teorija o suptilnoj i prećutnoj podršci Islamskoj državi tako je s dvije strane logična. Prvo, jer bi otjerali Rusiju i njen gas, a poturili svoj iz Emirata i Azerbejdžana, eventualno ako okupiraju Iran nekako... i drugo, da podignu nacionalizam u svojim redovima, kako bi spriječili dalji talas migracije
šta će mi bogatstvo i svecka slava sva kada mora umreti lepa Nirdala

lilit

Quote from: Dybuk on 30-03-2016, 13:12:34
Ali, da li te 3 well-off porodice zive bolje od lokalnog plebsa, ili srpskog plebsa?  :)

austrijskog plebsa, pošto pričam o austriji a ne o srbiji  :)

migrante ne delim na muslimanske i one druge, čak mislim da će prva generacija migranata koje pomenuh gore živeti bitno bolje od 90% potomaka prve serije jugoslovenskih gastarbajtera a čak i austrijanaca koji u većini imaju relativno niska primanja u kombinaciji sa 65% onih koji nemaju nekretninu u vlasništvu.

smatram da suštinski neradikalni ljudi uvek ostaju neradikalni, to je neko moje (neuniverzalno primenljivo :lol: ) iskustvo.
a klasne razlike su svakog dana sve veće i veće.

btw, austrija je olakšala imigraciju za sve one za koje smatra da su joj potrebni, nebitno da li su iz sirije, novog zelanda ili makedonije.

u suštini, pričam o malom procentu ljudi, ne generalizujem na celu populaciju.
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Dybuk

Da, da to sam i mislila, pitanje je bilo mozda nejasno. Ciljala sam na to da bolje zive i od austrijskog i od naseg plebsa u Srbiji.
Jasno, ali posto se govorilo o nezadovoljstvu muslimana, htela sam da stavimo akcenat na njih.

Hocu da kazem, siromasniji slojevi svuda lose zive ali to nije razlog da na te uslove zivota reaguju radikalno, konkretno, terorizmom.

Truman

Quote from: Dybuk on 30-03-2016, 14:39:39
Hocu da kazem, siromasniji slojevi svuda lose zive ali to nije razlog da na te uslove zivota reaguju radikalno, konkretno, terorizmom.

Upravo to je i poenta teksta koji sam postavio. Uzrok je u njihovoj religiji i kulturi koje pružaju dobru osnovu za fundamentalizam.
"Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law." A.C.

lilit

well, to je sad široka tema koja nije direktno proporcionalna lošem životu :lol:
što se tiče muslimana i terorizma, morali bismo da uključimo i RAF i IRA-u i slične evropske nepogode da ne bismo ispali nepravedni. i da se setimo da su bagdad i teheran a posebno bejrut i damask bili to što su bili dok nismo krenuli da uvodimo red, rad i disciplinu.
sad imamo posledice koje će teško biti sanirane u narednih 30 godina.

al sve to nema veze sa klasnom podelom, hoću reći, prosto ne mislim da se klasa deli po nacionalnom, ideološkom ili religijskom (hm, ovo poslednje je pleonazam :lol: ). klasa samo koristi sve slabosti human sapiensa.

That's how it is with people. Nobody cares how it works as long as it works.

lilit

That's how it is with people. Nobody cares how it works as long as it works.

Meho Krljic

Quote from: Truman on 30-03-2016, 14:49:21
Quote from: Dybuk on 30-03-2016, 14:39:39
Hocu da kazem, siromasniji slojevi svuda lose zive ali to nije razlog da na te uslove zivota reaguju radikalno, konkretno, terorizmom.

Upravo to je i poenta teksta koji sam postavio. Uzrok je u njihovoj religiji i kulturi koje pružaju dobru osnovu za fundamentalizam.

Ili je možda uzrok u tome što si im uništio otadžbine a sada ih držiš u ekonomskoj represiji i još ih vređaš govoreći im da imaju pravo na socijalnu pomoć kad već ne koriste te jednake šanse za zapošljavanje koje imaju... Just sayin'...

Truman

Ko im je kriv što nisu učili škole? A ako ih nisu učili ko im je kriv što neće da rade fizičke poslove? Baš oni znaju da l im je Zapad i u kojoj meri uništio otadžbine. To su isprani mozgovi programirani da mrze sve što je neislamsko.
"Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law." A.C.

Meho Krljic

Ali već smo rekli, taj mali, malecni sloj radikalizovanih (procena je da ih u celoj Evropi od MILIONA muslimana koji u njoj žive ima oko 5000) nije problem sam za sebe, problem je u tihoj podršci koju imaju od mnogo širih slojeva muslimana koji su svesni i diskriminacije u Evropi i stoljetnih neprijateljskih nasrtaja iste te Evrope na njihove otadžbine.

Krsta Klatić Klaja

побогу, колико муслимана се до сада бавило тероризмом у Европи, 5 или 6?

Значи сутра да хиљаду муслимана протестује мирно у Паризу, неко би их повезао с пет терориста


šta će mi bogatstvo i svecka slava sva kada mora umreti lepa Nirdala

Meho Krljic

Eh, ali problem je i što i reč "terorizam" (kao i, recimo, "genocid") od prevelikog korišćenja počinje da gubi značenje. Kad su o novoj godini oni migranti i muhamedanske veroispovesti po Nemačkama uvatili da maltretiraju žene na ulici nedoličnim ponašanjem, otimanjem, pa u par slučajeva, vele, i silovanjem, i to je onda negde došlo u ravan priče o terorizmu... Ne da su ovo naivne stvari, naprotiv, ali ako je svaki nasilni čin terorizam, tu gubimo svest i o korenima i o posledicama i o borbama protiv istog.

Dybuk

Problem je i sto se fraza 'nisu svi muslimani teroristi' takodje izlizala izmedju ostalog i zbog precutne podrske ostalih, sto rece Meho.
Ostatak sveta je sve teze ubediti u gornju tvrdnju iako je brojke (logika, razum), podrzavaju, naravno.

Krsta Klatić Klaja

jbt, pa Truki ti si prso... imaš niskokvalifikovanih poslova na sve strane, i nisu svi fizički

dakle, da uprostimo, svaki Arapin ima pravo da pita zašto su svi konobari u Belgiji bijelci. Za to se ne uči škola, a neobrazovani bijelci mogu da konobarišu, dok Arapima se tura lopata u ruke.

tako da tvoj argument o programiranoj mržnji prema neislamskom može sasvim da se obrne, jer ti nemaš nijedan razlog niti opravdanje za davanje bijelcima niskokvalifikovane poslove koji nisu fizički zahtjevni, sem bjelačke mržnje i ksenofobije prema Arapima

i normalno, poslije neki Arapi malo štipnu Njemice i to je vijest dana, i još jedno opravdanje za sistematsku marginalizaciju ne-bijelog stanovništva

ne znam jel ikad spominjano da su crni i bijeli holandski fudbaleri trenirali odvojeno u reprezentaciji. Svi su se čudili što ništa nisu uradili na prvenstvima, a ono poslije ispalo da su se Klajvert i drugari odvojeno pripremali, pa se poslije neko čudi što braća de Bur i ostali bledoliki ne mogu da se sastave s Klajvertom na terenu

šta će mi bogatstvo i svecka slava sva kada mora umreti lepa Nirdala

lilit

That's how it is with people. Nobody cares how it works as long as it works.

Meho Krljic

Britain Is Officially The Third Most Nanny State Country In The EU



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It may come as no surprise to some but Britain has officially been ranked the third most meddling country in the whole of the EU.
The news is particularly bad for those who love cigarettes and alcohol - nanny state laws make the UK the worst place to live in Europe if you're a wine drinker or smoker.
So-called sin taxes combined with regulation mean that we are behind only Finland and Sweden for meddling in lifestyle freedoms in the 2016 Nanny State Index.
Luckily, those of us who don't smoke, drink or eat meat come out relatively unscathed.
But anyone with a more indulgent lifestyle is better off heading to Germany or the Czech Republic, according to the Institute of Economic Affairs (IEA).
The UK has the most "draconian" smoking ban, the highest rates of tax on wine and cigarettes and comes second only to Finland on beer duty.


Spirits duty is also higher than every non-Scandinavian member state.
Overall, Britain comes top for its tobacco controls, fourth for alcohol and seventh for food and soft drinks.
Christopher Snowdon, head of lifestyle economics at the IEA, said: "Britain is the third-worst country in the EU for lifestyle freedoms. Only Finland and Sweden are worse places to be a drinker and nowhere is worse to be a smoker.
"The UK's only saving grace is its liberal approach to e-cigarettes but, all in all, the results make depressing reading for those of us who want the government to keep out of our private lives.
"Unless you are a teetotal, non-smoking vegetarian, my advice is to go to Germany or the Czech Republic this summer."





lilit

Quote"Unless you are a teetotal, non-smoking vegetarian, my advice is to go to Germany or the Czech Republic this summer."

austrijo, da te nema trebalo bi te izmisliti.  :lol: :lol:
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varvarin

Da sam ovo napisao u nekoj priči, rekli bi da sam preterao. Kad ono...


http://www.b92.net/zivot/vesti.php?yyyy=2016&mm=04&dd=01&nav_id=1114637


Nacistički oficir koji je ubijao za Mosad

Meho Krljic

Možda je Tanjugova prvoaprilska šala  :lol:

lilit

naravno da nije, haaretz krenuo da prosvetljuje o stvarima koje i wiki zna :lol:

radio čovek i za arape, i za izrael, mislim, profesionalac, ko da više, etc... ne sad da je to valjda nešto neobično?

http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.711115
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lilit

hahaha, be Deutsch!
apsolutni highlight: "...or we'll come for you in socks and sandals".
stroke of genius!


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Meho Krljic

Belgian police arrest protesters, stand off with youths

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BRUSSELS (Reuters) - Belgian police made a series of arrests of right-wing and anti-racist protesters in Brussels on Saturday, and riot squads engaged in a tense confrontation with local youths in the district of Molenbeek. The standoff grew out of plans by a far-right group to hold a demonstration in Molenbeek, a largely Muslim neighborhood where a number of the militants who staged attacks in Paris had been based. An anti-racist group had called for a counter-demonstration. Both were banned by local authorities, fearful of a repeat of last Sunday's disturbance, when police fired water cannon to break up around 450 rowdy protesters, many of whom local media said were right-wing nationalists. Police said a number of extreme-right protesters nevertheless did arrive in Molenbeek. At least seven were detained. "There was a protest expected by the extreme right, so there a large group of (local) youths gathered and then at a point we had 300 to 400 surrounding the police station," a police spokesman said. Around 200 riot police stood guard in Molenbeek and there was a tense stand-off with the local youths, mostly of North African origin, one of whom hurled a rubbish bin toward the police. Water cannon were in place but were not used. At one point, Reuters reporters, said a car approached the police line, was hit by police batons and in speeding away, hit a woman. Two local youths were detained for public order offences. In the center of the city, police held around 10 anti-racist activists who had assembled near the bourse, where flowers, candles and flags have been laid in memory of the 32 victims of the March 22 suicide bombings at the city's airport and metro. Belgian television later showed some 30 far-right marchers in an outer suburb of the Belgian capital, holding a banner reading "This is our country".


Meho Krljic

 Offshore Accounts Of World Leaders Revealed

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The hidden wealth of some of the world's most prominent leaders, politicians and celebrities - including three former Tory MPs and six peers - has been revealed in a massive leak.
Millions of documents leaked to a number of media organisations across Europe apparently show the ways the rich and famous can exploit secretive offshore tax regimes.
It is reported that journalists from more than 80 countries have been reviewing 11.5 million files leaked from the database of Mossack Fonseca, the world's fourth biggest offshore law firm.
According to The Guardian, one of the media organisations receiving the leaked documents - the so-called 'Panama Papers' - reveal:
:: Six members of the House of Lords, three former Conservative MPs and dozens of donors to UK political parties have had offshore assets.
:: A key member of FIFA's powerful ethics committee, which is supposed to be spearheading reform at world football's scandal-hit governing body, acted as a lawyer for individuals and companies recently charged with bribery and corruption.
:: Twelve national leaders are among 143 politicians, their families and close associates from around the world known to have been using offshore tax havens.
:: Among national leaders with offshore wealth are Nawaz Sharif, Pakistan's prime minister; Ayad Allawi, ex-interim prime minister and former vice-president of Iraq; Petro Poroshenko, president of Ukraine; Alaa Mubarak, son of Egypt's former president; and the prime minister of Iceland, Sigmundur Davíð Gunnlaugsson.
:: The families of at least eight current and former members of China's supreme ruling body, the politburo, have been found to have hidden wealth offshore.
:: Twenty-three individuals who have had sanctions imposed on them for supporting the regimes in North Korea, Zimbabwe, Russia, Iran and Syria have been clients of Panama-based Mossack Fonseca. Their companies were harboured by the Seychelles, the British Virgin Islands, Panama and other jurisdictions.
One leaked memo from a partner of Mossack Fonseca said: "Ninety-five per cent of our work coincidentally consists in selling vehicles to avoid taxes."
The company has denied any wrongdoing. It says it has acted beyond reproach for 40 years and that it has had robust due diligence procedures.
The document leak comes from the records of the firm, which was founded in 1977.
The information is near live, with the most recent records dating from December 2015.
Around 370 reporters from 100 media organisations have spent a year analysing and verifying the documents.
David Cameron has promised to "sweep away" tax secrecy - but his political opponents claim little has been done.
He is planning a summit of world leaders next month, which will focus on the conduct of tax havens.
The Prime Minister set out his line in 2011 when he said: "We need to shine a spotlight on who owns what and where the money is really flowing."
Oxfam's head of UK policy, Richard Pyle, said: "This leak highlights the key role that UK-linked tax havens like the British Virgin Islands play in allowing a privileged elite to dodge paying their fair share of tax.
"People in the world's poorest countries pay the highest price for the billions of lost tax money when their governments are unable to fund life-saving healthcare such as midwives and vaccinations for children.
"The UK is in a unique position to help clean up the murky world of tax havens - starting by ensuring that the real beneficiaries of shell companies registered in the UK's Crown dependencies and overseas territories, such as the British Virgin Islands, are revealed ahead of May's Anti-Corruption Summit in London."
Campaign group Global Witness said: "This investigation shows how secretly-owned companies, many of them based in the UK's tax havens, can act as getaway cars for terrorists, dictators, money launderers and tax evaders all over the world.
"The time has clearly come to take away the keys, by requiring the collection and publication of information on who really owns and controls these companies.
"This would make it much harder to launder dirty money and leave the rest of us safer as a result."


Russian President Putin linked to $2b offshore scheme following massive data breach

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In a scheme that reads more like an Oscar-worthy screenplay than a reality of the 21st century, an unprecedented data leak known collectively as the Panama Papers has connected the checkbooks of the world's most powerful figures. The data involves some of the world's foremost political leaders, including none other than Russian president Vladimir Putin and his inner circle.
The information, which took dozens of international journalists a full year to analyze, links 72 current or former heads of state, and includes a series of "shell" companies that allowed the rich and famous of the world to take advantage of offshore accounts and evade taxation. Names cited include Egypt's former president Hosni Mubarak, Libya's former leader Muammar Gaddafi, Syria's president Bashar Assad, and British Prime Minister David Cameron's late father, Ian Cameron.
This represents one of the largest data dumps of evidence on offshore accounts and money laundering ever revealed, made all the more stunning by its connection to various heads of states, many of whom have been accused of stealing from their own countries. Indeed, this collection is larger than Edward Snowden's massive data breach — the famous whistleblower tweeted Sunday, "Biggest leak in the history of data journalism just went live, and it's about corruption."
Biggest leak in the history of data journalism just went live, and it's about corruption.
https://t.co/dYNjD6eIeZ pic.twitter.com/638aIu8oSU
— Edward Snowden (@Snowden) April 3, 2016
At the center of the ring sits Vladimir Putin, and while the Russian leader is never actually mentioned by name, all the data available suggests the president is the connective thread across many of the players involved. The Guardian reports that Putin's "friends have earned millions from deals that seemingly could not have been secured without his patronage," and that "Putin's family has benefited from this money — his friends' fortunes appear his to spend."

The treasure trove of data encompasses no less than 2.6 terabytes — a truly enormous amount of information– and was provided by an anonymous source who wanted "neither financial compensation nor anything else in return, apart from a few security measures." In the original report, the authors write, "The data provides rare insights into a world that can only exist in the shadows. It proves how a global industry led by major banks, legal firms, and asset management companies secretly manages the estates of the world's rich and famous: from politicians, Fifa officials, fraudsters and drug smugglers, to celebrities and professional athletes."
While Putin's team has refused to comment on the accusations raised in the Panama Papers, it's been dismissed as an "information attack" meant to rock the nation in the precarious moments before their own elections. The reports have been dismissed as an "undisguised, paid-for hack job."
But American political scientist Karen Dawisha is far less quick to judge. "[Putin] takes what he wants," she says. "When you are president of Russia, you don't need a written contract. You are the law."



Meho Krljic

A evo kako to da u tim svim papirima ima jako malo Amerikanaca:



Why few Americans turned up in the 'Panama Papers'



QuoteWealthy potentates from several dozen countries have been identified as global tax evaders in the intriguing "Panama Papers" scandal. But one country is almost entirely absent from the files: the United States.
A massive leak of documents from Panamanian law firm Mossack Fonseca shows that more than 100 prominent people have used the firm's services to set up accounts in foreign tax havens and avoid paying taxes in their home countries. The firm's clients include top officials in Argentina, Iceland, Saudi Arabia, Abu Dhabi and Ukraine, along with eight former world leaders, soccer star Lionel Messi, golfer Nick Faldo, the father of U.K. Prime Minister David Cameron, and a relative of China's leader, Xi Jinping. Funneling money to tax havens isn't necessarily illegal, but the revelations are certainly embarrassing and they show that some public officials seem to have a lot more money than they should.
Skirting taxes is a global activity, yet the only American who has turned up in the Mossack Fonseca files so far is Marianna Olszewski, an author and financier. Are Americans more honest than taxpayers from other countries? Or do rich Americans simply have better ways of dodging taxes?
It turns out that rich Americans have less need for tax havens than their comrades elsewhere. "People in other countries pay a lot more in taxes than we do," says international tax expert Lee Sheppard, contributing editor at Tax Analysts. "In other countries, nearly every rich person has a tax haven bank account. Proportionately, the United States doesn't have as large a problem."
The top federal income tax rate in the United States is 39.6%, with a threshold of about $415,000 in income for a single filer. In much of Europe, the top rate is a few points higher—but it kicks in at much lower income levels. As for investment income, the capital gains rate in the U.S. is 20%, and 15% on the type of investment known as "carried interest." In a few investor-friendly European countries—Switzerland, Luxembourg, the Netherldands—the capital gains rate is 0. But in most of Europe it ranges from 15% to 42%. And few countries have as many generous tax deductions as the United States.
Who's looking for tax havens?
Tax experts generally identify three categories of people who seek global tax havens: criminals; "politically exposed persons," or PEPs, who enrich themselves while holding office and need to hide the money; and regular rich folk who want to conceal assets from family members, ex-spouses and the like. Many of the characters who turned up in the Panama Papers appear to be PEPs who are more interested in keeping cash from public view than minimizing the tax bills on legitimate income.
For wealthy Americans who just want to maximize the value of their assets, setting up a tax haven account isn't very appealing. For starters, it's expensive, requiring costly lawyers, accountants, trustees and other specialists who know how to pull all the levers. And instead of earning a return on your money, as most investors prefer, you pay hefty fees to foreign banks that offset any earnings.
Still, average, not-so-wealthy Americans can open offshore accounts too. Millions already do and they aren't banking abroad to try to swindle the U.S. government or necessarily maximize their assets. But the IRS is making it harder for people to conceal overseas money. The agency issued new rules recently that impose stricter penalties for people who don't report foreign assets, a move that has helped triple the number of filings since 2005, according to the IRS.
Today, individuals who hold over $10,000 in foreign-held banks are required to submit records of their accounts to the IRS each year. Under the government's new, more complex rules on foreign asset reporting issued in 2014, financial institutions must report U.S. customers with accounts totaling more than $50,000 to the IRS. This has become a big enough headache for foreign banks that it's made opening bank accounts abroad tougher for some Americans.
There are risks, as well. Established havens such as Bermuda and the Cayman Islands cater to certain types of businesses and don't really want to deal with individuals, because it could sully their reputation with corporate clients. Other havens might take anybody, but your money may not be safe at less reputable institutions on little-known island nations. Allen Stanford spent 20 years operating an outfit in Antigua called Stanford International Bank, and it turned out he was spending his depositors' money. A jury convicted him of fraud and other charges in 2012, and a judge sentenced him to 110 years in prison.
You could have difficulty accessing the money in your tax haven account as well, if you need it, say, to live on. Finding a way to spend it in the local currency would help, since money converted back into dollars is usually traceable via exchange desks in New York. And if you're trying to hide money, that won't do.
There may be further juicy revelations from Panama, and more Americans might surface in the Mossack Fonseca files. And there are certainly a lot of American corporations that use tax havens to minize tax liabilities, a different sort of problem. But if this is one scandal America sits out, nobody will complain.

Meho Krljic

A Muslim Tries to 'Explain Brussels'

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A Londoner was arrested recently for writing a tweet saying he'd approached a Muslim lady and asked her to 'explain Brussels'. Why should she understand any more than a Christian or an Atheist why someone would detonate bombs indiscriminately? Of course, because these barbarians claimed to be carrying out these atrocities in the name of her religion. Was it a clumsy and even silly thing to say? Probably. Was it a hate crime? No.
The overwhelming majority of Muslims would echo the iconic words of a bystander who told an attacker at a London Underground station, 'You ain't no Muslim bruv'. The vast majority of devout Muslims see nothing of their religion in the acts that are being carried out in its name; so why is it that Muslim men and women seem so susceptible to this brainwashing that is turning them into monsters?
For all of the talk about security and intelligence over the past few days, few people have stopped to ask the obvious question, 'how do we stop people from becoming radicalised in the first place?' If we are to solve this long-term challenge then it's a question we need to answer. 
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x Nobel peace prize winner Malala Yousafzai once said, "With guns you can kill terrorists, with education you can kill terrorism." These people weren't born evil or violent, so how do we understand and begin to tackle what happens in the run-up to boarding a plane to Turkey, with the aim of reaching Syria?  Frankly, if some politicians and so-called community leaders in places like Brussels had not placed those questions out of the realm of normal political discourse a few years ago then we might be in a far safer place today.
There is no single path to radicalisation, but there are some similar routes that we could begin with. The first one is the identity crisis that many people face. When I was growing up the best example of inter-faith dialogue was probably in my school playground. There I would mix with kids from different religions and none.  We learnt that we had differences but we were all brought together by British values. Yet even I recall times when people would tell me that I was not British because I looked different or worshipped differently. It made me doubt who I was at times. So imagine that you have parents who emigrated to the UK or Europe a few decades ago, and they tell you that your origins are Pakistani or Moroccan. You visit your relatives in your parents' country of origin and they tease you for your English or French accent and for having less in common with them than you thought.  Many Muslims in London would probably have more in common with a Christian from London than a Muslim from Lahore. For some this may lead to some questioning and searching for an identity.
Normally teenagers with an identity issue dye their hair or get their tongue pierced. They don't blow up a train. So what's different? This is where the friends, families and neighbours need to step in, because people's vulnerability can be abused to destructive effect by highly manipulative people. They operate on the internet, on Snap Chat or through games consoles. They take advantage of the Muslim concept of Jihad which, at its core is about a Muslim's spiritual struggle within oneself against sin, and whether at the end of our lives our good deeds outweigh our bad ones.  Extremists will convince young people that they can never live a good life in the 'decadent' West, and they anger them with images of Muslims being killed by 'the West'. They may then convince them that there is a short cut to Paradise by committing acts of 'Martyrdom'.
This is only one possible path, but there are others including violent individuals in prison or out looking for a new cause.  What can the state do? That's a difficult question. Perhaps there are roles for teachers and community workers to try and spot signs of radicalisation; but that's not always easy and there is always the risk that in seeking to identify signs of radicalisation, young Muslims may feel targeted increasing the sense of being different.
National and local governments can share ideas and good practice with each other, as can local community projects tackling radicalisation. We could create awareness networks at the national, European or global level, but too often the EU's idea of inter religious dialogue is to get a very senior Imam together with a Bishop and a Rabbi.
In prisons they must be more vigilant to violent criminals seeking to replace one form of violence with another. Yet realistically this problem can only be tackled within the Muslim communities themselves. Some Mosques need to be more accessible by teaching in local languages about the true meaning of Islam. Community leaders need to find projects that can bring together young people to talk about their identities and values in way that they understand.
As a Member of the European Parliament for London, I am trying to support charities and projects in London that do just that. One project that I work with and highlight at every opportunity is TUFFS FC, a football club set up by the Unity of Faiths Foundation. It beings together kids from all faiths, but mainly Muslims, to play football on a fully equipped pitch. These kids want to talk about their identities and what it means to be a young Muslim living in London, and TUFFS gives them a safe outlet. One girl at the club recently confided in the club's founder that she was planning to go to Syria, showing him a Snapchat conversation that she'd had. Knowing that she was a massive Chelsea fan he gave her a choice of going through the gates of Heathrow to Turkey and onto Syria, or going with him to Chelsea's ground, Stamford Bridge. She chose Stamford Bridge. As she arrived she kissed the pitch, she met then manager Jose Mourinho, and she has never been back since. Think of how much death and destruction that one act could have prevented?
So don't expect Muslim to explain what happened in Brussels any better than non-Muslims; but that does not mean that Muslims can wash our hands of trying to find solutions to stop people from misusing our God to cause carnage.
Islam itself is not the disease, and for many of these wayward people a better understanding of Islam could be part of the cure. We have a responsibility to do all that we can to show them that.
Many Muslims realise that it is not good enough to simply say these people are not Muslims. Many are looking for answers to how we can show vulnerable young people that carrying out these despicable acts is not Islamic.
Otherwise, we realise that we will continue to be asked - however unfair that may seem - to explain more devastation that is undertaken in the name of our faith.
 
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Krsta Klatić Klaja

Још Панаме и нациста, и нормално пацов Меси је такође на листи

http://panamapapers.sueddeutsche.de/articles/56febf8da1bb8d3c3495adec
šta će mi bogatstvo i svecka slava sva kada mora umreti lepa Nirdala

Meho Krljic

Panama Papers Reveal Clinton's Kremlin Connection

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The revelations of the so-called Panama Papers that are roiling the world's political and financial elites this week include important facts about Team Clinton. This unprecedented trove of documents purloined from a shady Panama law firm that arranged tax havens, and perhaps money laundering, for the globe's super-rich includes juicy insights into how Russia's elite hides its ill-gotten wealth.
Almost lost among the many revelations is the fact that Russia's biggest bank uses The Podesta Group as its lobbyist in Washington, D.C. Though hardly a household name, this firm is well known inside the Beltway, not least because its CEO is Tony Podesta, one of the best-connected Democratic machers in the country. He founded the firm in 1998 with his brother John, formerly chief of staff to President Bill Clinton, then counselor to President Barack Obama, Mr. Podesta is the very definition of a Democratic insider. Outsiders engage the Podestas and their well-connected lobbying firm to improve their image and get access to Democratic bigwigs.
Which is exactly what Sberbank, Russia's biggest financial institution, did this spring. As reported at the end of March, the Podesta Group registered with the U.S. Government as a lobbyist for Sberbank, as required by law, naming three Podesta Group staffers: Tony Podesta plus Stephen Rademaker and David Adams, the last two former assistant secretaries of state. It should be noted that Tony Podesta is a big-money bundler for the Hillary Clinton presidential campaign while his brother John is the chairman of that campaign, the chief architect of her plans to take the White House this November.
Sberbank (Savings Bank in Russian) engaged the Podesta Group to help its public image—leading Moscow financial institutions not exactly being known for their propriety and wholesomeness—and specifically to help lift some of the pain of sanctions placed on Russia in the aftermath of the Kremlin's aggression against Ukraine, which has caused real pain to the country's hard-hit financial sector.
It's hardly surprising that Sberbank sought the help of Democratic insiders like the Podesta Group to aid them in this difficult hour, since they clearly understand how American politics work. The question is why the Podesta Group took Sberbank's money. That financial institution isn't exactly hiding in the shadows—it's the biggest bank in Russia, and its reputation leaves a lot to be desired. Nobody acquainted with Russian finance was surprised that Sberbank wound up in the Panama Papers.
Since the brothers are destined for very high-level jobs if the Democrats triumph in November, their relationship is something they—and Clinton—need to explain.
Although Sberbank has its origins in the nineteenth century, it was functionally reborn after the Soviet collapse, and it the 1990s it grew to be the dominant bank in the country, today controlling nearly 30 percent of Russia's aggregate banking assets and employing a quarter-million people. The majority stockholder in Sberbank is Russia's Central Bank. In other words, Sberbank is functionally an arm of the Kremlin, although it's ostensibly a private institution.
Certainly Western intelligence is well acquainted with Sberbank, noting its close relationship with Vladimir Putin and his regime. Funds moving through Sberbank are regularly used to support clandestine Russian intelligence operations, while the bank uses its offices abroad as cover for the Russian Foreign Intelligence Service or SVR. A NATO counterintelligence official explained that Sberbank, which has outposts in almost two dozen foreign countries, "functions as a sort of arm of the SVR outside Russia, especially because many of its senior employees are 'former' Russian intelligence officers." Inside the country, Sberbank has an equally cosy relationship with the Federal Security Service or FSB, Russia's powerful domestic intelligence agency.
Ukraine has pointed a finger at Sberbank as an instrument of Russia's aggression against their country. In 2014, Ukraine's Security Service charged Sberbank with "financing terrorism," noting that its branches were distributing millions of dollars in illegal aid to Russian-backed separatists fighting in eastern Ukraine. Kyiv's conclusion, that Sberbank is a witting supporter of Russian aggression against Ukraine, is broadly supported by Western intelligence. "Sberbank is the Kremlin, they don't do anything major without Putin's go-ahead, and they don't tell him 'no' either," explained a retired senior U.S. intelligence official with extensive experience in Eastern Europe.
In addition, Ukrainian intelligence has alleged that the FSB collaborated with Sberbank in the bombings of two of the bank's branches in Kyiv, Ukraine's capital, in June 2015. The attacks caused no casualties but got major coverage in Russian state media as "proof" of Ukraine's instability and violent anti-Russian nature. Although the notion that Russian spies would plant bombs as a provocation, what the Kremlin terms provokatsiya, may sound outlandish to those unacquainted with espionage, in fact Russian spies have been doing such things since tsarist times. What I've termed "fake terrorism" is a longstanding Kremlin core competency, and it can only be pulled off with logistical support, including with finances.
Predictably, Sberbank has blown off the Panama Papers revelations as nothing of consequence, but the fact that they are an arm of the Kremlin and they do plenty of shady things in many countries is a matter of record. As is the fact that the Podesta Group is their lobbyist in America.
Among the Sberbank subsidiaries that the Podesta Group also represents are the Cayman Islands-based Troika Dialog Group Limited, the Cyprus-based SBGB Cyprus Limited, and the Luxembourg-based SB International. As reported this week by the Organized Crime and Corruption Reporting Project, a consortium of journalists exploring the Panama Papers leak, Sberbank and Troika Dialog are used by members of Mr. Putin's inner circle to shift public funds into sometimes questionable private investments. In other words, this is top-level money laundering of a brazen kind. As the OCCRP stated plainly, "Some of these companies were initially connected to the Troika Dialog investment fund, which was controlled and run by Sberbank after the bank bought the Troika Dialog investment bank. Troika and Sberbank declined to comment."
Adding to shadiness of all this, the Podesta Group is playing along with the useful charade that Sberbank is simply a private financial institution, rather than the state-owned bank that it is, since that would require the lobbyists to register as agents of the Russian government under the Foreign Agent Registration Act.
John and Tony Podesta aren't fooling anyone with this ruse. They are lobbyists for Vladimir Putin's personal bank of choice, an arm of his Kremlin and its intelligence services. Since the brothers Podesta are presumably destined for very high-level White House jobs next January if the Democrats triumph in November at the polls, their relationship with Sberbank is something they—and Hillary Clinton—need to explain to the public.
CORRECTION: An earlier version of this story referred imprecisely to the fouding of The Podesta Group and to the Podesta brother who registered the firm they founded as a lobbyist for Sberbank. The Observer regrets the errors.



Meho Krljic

 Czech Republic's Leaders Agree On New Name 

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The Czech Republic has finally picked a short form English name for the country - Czechia.
The name will make it easier for companies, sportsmen and others to label products and clothing.
The debate has raged since the republic split with partner Slovakia in 1993, spelling the end of Czechoslovakia.
But on Thursday, the president, prime minister, heads of parliament, foreign and defence ministers agreed on Czechia.
Once it is approved officially at a cabinet meeting the foreign ministry can lodge it will the UN.
Up until now, many people wanting to promote the country have written "Czech" across sports jerseys or product, but critics of that point out the word is an adjective so cannot be used as a one-word proper noun.
The new name needed to be inclusive because, while the largest part of the country is known as Bohemia - or Cechy in Czech - any new name needed to take in the historic regions of Moravia and Silesia.
Supporters of Czechia say the name, which was suggested soon after the 1993 split, can be traced back to the 19th century.
However, some opponents say the name sounds ugly and others suggest it sounds too similar to the Chechen Republic, or Chechnya, leading to possible confusion.

Dybuk

Quoteothers suggest it sounds too similar to the Chechen Republic, or Chechnya, leading to possible confusion.

sto jes - jes :lol:


Krsta Klatić Klaja

zašto se to uopšte čita Čeh a ovo drugo Čeć

Bohemia!
šta će mi bogatstvo i svecka slava sva kada mora umreti lepa Nirdala

Dybuk

Quote from: Саша Радуловић on 16-04-2016, 14:00:05
zašto se to uopšte čita Čeh a ovo drugo Čeć

Bohemia!

Nije Čeć (kod Spanaca da) nego Ček; Francuzi bi izgovorili Česia, iako vec koriste izraz Tchequie (Čeki)

problem je i ovo Čeh jer se Czech izgovara Ček, as far as I know.

znaci, obrni-okreni, Ček i Čekija.


Krsta Klatić Klaja

aha, ok, ali šta s drugim dijelom pitanja

možda nije Čeh nego Ček, to sam prosto posrbio

ali zašto nije i Čekenija? Čeken Ripablik?

oba imaju ''ch'', što meni više vuče na ć



šta će mi bogatstvo i svecka slava sva kada mora umreti lepa Nirdala

Dybuk

Zato sto je engleski nestandardizovan jezik. :lol: Zasto se isto izgovara which i witch?

Meni je to ipak č, Čečnija.

Krsta Klatić Klaja

meni je uvijeć ć, a ovo se različito izgovara a piše isto, daj primjer za to

engleski ima i ck i ch

Đeeeeejp!
šta će mi bogatstvo i svecka slava sva kada mora umreti lepa Nirdala

Truman

Italijani pametno kažu Repubblica Ceca ( Republika Ćeka ).
"Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law." A.C.

Dybuk

Quote from: Саша Радуловић on 16-04-2016, 15:50:12
meni je uvijeć ć, a ovo se različito izgovara a piše isto, daj primjer za to

engleski ima i ck i ch

Đeeeeejp!

Sta se pise isto, Czechkia i Chechnya? Pa imaju razlicite sufikse nakon "ch"a to valjda utice i na izgovor :lol: poceo si kao Amerikanci. :lol:

ed tear (suza) tear (pocepati)


Dybuk

Enjoy http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2011/12/23/english-pronunciation/

Dearest creature in creation,
Study English pronunciation.
I will teach you in my verse
Sounds like corpse, corps, horse, and worse.
I will keep you, Suzy, busy,
Make your head with heat grow dizzy.
Tear in eye, your dress will tear.
So shall I! Oh hear my prayer.
Just compare heart, beard, and heard,
Dies and diet, lord and word,
Sword and sward, retain and Britain.
(Mind the latter, how it's written.)
Now I surely will not plague you
With such words as plaque and ague.
But be careful how you speak:
Say break and steak, but bleak and streak;
Cloven, oven, how and low,
Script, receipt, show, poem, and toe.
Hear me say, devoid of trickery,
Daughter, laughter, and Terpsichore,
Typhoid, measles, topsails, aisles,
Exiles, similes, and reviles;
Scholar, vicar, and cigar,
Solar, mica, war and far;
One, anemone, Balmoral,
Kitchen, lichen, laundry, laurel;
Gertrude, German, wind and mind,
Scene, Melpomene, mankind.
Billet does not rhyme with ballet,
Bouquet, wallet, mallet, chalet.
Blood and flood are not like food,
Nor is mould like should and would.
Viscous, viscount, load and broad,
Toward, to forward, to reward.
And your pronunciation's OK
When you correctly say croquet,
Rounded, wounded, grieve and sieve,
Friend and fiend, alive and live.
Ivy, privy, famous; clamour
And enamour rhyme with hammer.
River, rival, tomb, bomb, comb,
Doll and roll and some and home.
Stranger does not rhyme with anger,
Neither does devour with clangour.
Souls but foul, haunt but aunt,
Font, front, wont, want, grand, and grant,
Shoes, goes, does. Now first say finger,
And then singer, ginger, linger,
Real, zeal, mauve, gauze, gouge and gauge,
Marriage, foliage, mirage, and age.
Query does not rhyme with very,
Nor does fury sound like bury.
Dost, lost, post and doth, cloth, loth.
Job, nob, bosom, transom, oath.
Though the differences seem little,
We say actual but victual.
Refer does not rhyme with deafer.
Fe0ffer does, and zephyr, heifer.
Mint, pint, senate and sedate;
Dull, bull, and George ate late.
Scenic, Arabic, Pacific,
Science, conscience, scientific.
Liberty, library, heave and heaven,
Rachel, ache, moustache, eleven.
We say hallowed, but allowed,
People, leopard, towed, but vowed.
Mark the differences, moreover,
Between mover, cover, clover;
Leeches, breeches, wise, precise,
Chalice, but police and lice;
Camel, constable, unstable,
Principle, disciple, label.
Petal, panel, and canal,
Wait, surprise, plait, promise, pal.
Worm and storm, chaise, chaos, chair,
Senator, spectator, mayor.
Tour, but our and succour, four.
Gas, alas, and Arkansas.
Sea, idea, Korea, area,
Psalm, Maria, but malaria.
Youth, south, southern, cleanse and clean.
Doctrine, turpentine, marine.
Compare alien with Italian,
Dandelion and battalion.
Sally with ally, yea, ye,
Eye, I, ay, aye, whey, and key.
Say aver, but ever, fever,
Neither, leisure, skein, deceiver.
Heron, granary, canary.
Crevice and device and aerie.
Face, but preface, not efface.
Phlegm, phlegmatic, ass, glass, bass.
Large, but target, gin, give, verging,
Ought, out, joust and scour, scourging.
Ear, but earn and wear and tear
Do not rhyme with here but ere.
Seven is right, but so is even,
Hyphen, roughen, nephew Stephen,
Monkey, donkey, Turk and jerk,
Ask, grasp, wasp, and cork and work.
Pronunciation (think of Psyche!)
Is a paling stout and spikey?
Won't it make you lose your wits,
Writing groats and saying grits?
It's a dark abyss or tunnel:
Strewn with stones, stowed, solace, gunwale,
Islington and Isle of Wight,
Housewife, verdict and indict.
Finally, which rhymes with enough,
Though, through, plough, or dough, or cough?
Hiccough has the sound of cup.
My advice is to give up!!!

lilit

That's how it is with people. Nobody cares how it works as long as it works.

Meho Krljic

Evo šta je pravna država. Anders Breivik služi kaznu u trosobnoj ćeliji sa pristupom televiziji i konzoli za igre, ali smatra da je izložen nehumanom tretmanu jer su mu kontakti sa ostatkom sveta ekstremno ograničeni, pa je presavio tabak i tužio norvešku državu i - dobio.


Anders Breivik's human rights violated in prison, Norway court rules


QuoteNorway has violated the human rights of the rightwing extremist Anders Breivik by exposing him to inhuman and degrading treatment during his imprisonment for terrorism and mass murder, a Norwegian court has ruled.

Breivik, who killed 77 people in July 2011 in the country's worst acts of violence since the second world war, took the Norwegian authorities to court last month, alleging that the solitary confinement in which he had been held for nearly five years breached the European convention on human rights.
Although Breivik is detained in a three-cell complex where he can play video games, watch TV and exercise, judge Helen Andenaes Sekulic of the Oslo district court ruled that the Norwegian state had broken article 3 of the convention.
The prohibition of inhuman and degrading treatment "represents a fundamental value in a democratic society", she said in a written decision. "This applies no matter what – also in the treatment of terrorists and killers." The judge ordered the government to pay Breivik's legal costs of 331,000 kroner (£35,000).
Sekulic decided that Breivik's right to "correspondence" – a private and family life – had not been violated. The 37-year-old extremist is in principle allowed visits from family and friends, but has not received any apart from his mother before she died.
Brevik had argued during a four-day hearing at the Skien prison 80 miles (130km) from Oslo, where he is serving his sentence, that solitary confinement, as well as frequent strip searches and the fact that he was often handcuffed while moving between cells, violated his human rights.
Breivik, who made a Nazi salute on the opening day of the proceedings but later said he had renounced violence and compared himself to Nelson Mandela, also said isolation was having a negative impact on his health, and complained about the quality of the prison food – including microwaved meals that he described as "worse than water-boarding" – and having to eat with plastic cutlery.
Breivik's lawyer, Oystein Storrvik, told the Norwegian news agency NTB that the prison authorities must now lift his client's isolation. Lawyers for the Norwegian state had said before the verdict they would appeal if it went against them, but it was not clear on Wednesday if they would do so.
Norway's most notorious prisoner was sentenced in August 2012 to a maximum 21-year sentence – which can be extended if he is still considered a danger – for killing eight people in a bomb attack outside a government building in Oslo, then shooting dead another 69, most of them teenagers, on the island of Utøya on 22 July 2011.
Dressed as a police officer, Breivik spent more than an hour methodically hunting down his targets on the small island, where nearly 600 members of the youth wing of the Norwegian Labour party, which he blamed for the rise of multiculturalism in Norway, had gathered for a summer camp. Most of his young victims were killed with a single bullet to the head.
He has been held in isolation since he surrendered to police on the island on the day of the attacks. Government lawyers have said solitary confinement is necessary because Breivik is "extremely dangerous", and argued the conditions of his imprisonment fall "well within the limits of what is permitted" under the European convention.
But Breivik argued that the government had breached two of the convention's articles barring "inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment" and guaranteeing respect for "correspondence".
Judges heard that Breivik had one cell for living, another for studying and a third for physical exercise, and that although his visits and contacts with the outside world were strictly controlled, he had been provided with exercise equipment, a DVD player, games console, typewriter and books and newspapers.
His lawyer stressed the case was important because his client would probably spend the rest of his life behind bars.
Doctors, psychiatrists and prison staff who have examined him in prison told the hearing they had seen no significant changes in his physical or mental state that could be attributed to the conditions in which he was being held. Norway prides itself on a humane prison system aimed more at rehabilitation than punishment.
Expressing surprise at the decision, Prof Kjetil Larsen of the Norwegian Institute of Human Rights said he thought it was clear Breivik's treatment did not violate the convention. "I thought that what came out during the trial made that even clearer," he said.


Meho Krljic

Freakonomics imaju epizodu o garantovanom minimalnom prihodu u kojoj saznajemo da su i Fridman i Hajek zapravo bili pozitivno nastrojeni prema ovoj ideji  :lol: :lol:


Is the World Ready for a Guaranteed Basic Income?


Evo kao dodatak i studija koja pokazuje efekte ovakvih programa kao pozitivne za društvo u celini. I još jedna slična studija.

lilit

fašosi dobili najviše glasova u prvom krugu predsedničkih izbora:
https://mobil.derstandard.at/jetzt/livebericht/2000035516254/bundespraesidentenwahl-das-rennen-um-die-hofburg?dst=t.co

u drugom krugu dobija alexander van der bellen, imaćemo extra precednika. prvi put posle karla rennera. :lol:
That's how it is with people. Nobody cares how it works as long as it works.

džin tonik

wunschdenken. hofer + griss > bellen + khol + hundstorfer
forza fasisti!

lilit

That's how it is with people. Nobody cares how it works as long as it works.