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Quote from: T2 on 28-05-2016, 23:48:16
Mislim da nije to u pitanju.
Tako je, "hrvati" idu pod znake navoda jer to je moje pravo, kao što je tvoje pravo da ime mog naroda pišeš malim slovom, a za tenk ne brini jer ne mogu da stanem u tenk. 
Dobro Zosko, nisam ja ni mislio tebe preobraćivati, ne moraš odma zvati popa da ti kadi monitor preko koga diskutujemo. 
Doćićemo do određenih tema na odgovarujućim mestima, a do tad spremi gradivo o Svetom Jeronimu i ubistvu "hrvatskog" kralja Dimitrija Zvonimira  na Saboru na Kninskom polju 1089. godine.

ali ne, necemo doci do odredjenih tema na odgovarajucim mjestima, jer odredjene teme za mene postoje iskljucivo u jednom obliku: pojavi se tenk na mom ribnjaku i veselo drustvo krene klicati "ovo je sjeverna somalija".
dalje postoje u zabavi i caskanju sa narodom sa kojim se godinama "znam" i opusteno komuniciram. ti jos ne spadas medju taj narod, tek si se registrirao.

da, moje je pravo pisati ime tvog naroda malim slovom, jer ne rabim velika slova na forumu. to je uobicajena praksa diljem neta i opce je poznato kako nema veze sa vrednovanjem bilo koga. ali nemam nista protiv da nekom i smeta. mislim, ja ne moram stovati srbiju, to moze biti dio kuture, a i ne mora. kako se to individualno-subjektivno dozivljava je u oku promatraca i van moje brige.

Не знам Зоско о каквом тенку причаш, последњи пут кад сам ишао у "хрватску" - ишао сам без тенка. 

to je lijepo.

no vidi, mene jednostavno ne zanima pretjerana komunikacija, dijalog (osim sa lijepim zenama), kako opcenito, tako i posebno sa tek registriranom osobom. ne iz omalovazavanja, vec jednostavno komunikaciju temeljim na simpatiji, vecoj ili manjoj, potpuno subjektivnom dozivljaju, koju kroz tvoje kratko prisustvo jos nije bilo moguce formirati.

znaci, ti mozes doci do odredjenih tema gdje i kad god pozelis, sto se mene tice mozes u stotinjak dnevnih priloga narod svih dinastija kine kroz prostor i vrijeme prozvati srbima, ali da bi mi dosli do toga, da raspravljamo, za to sam potreban i ja.
i tu me ne mozes podrazumijevati.

Зоско, немам ја потребе да проглашавам разноразне "народе" Србима јер су тај посао вековима, па и миленијумима, пре мене обавили страни историчари и хроничари из антике и средњег века.
И ту расправе нема, можеш само аминовати. 

"Dejtonski sporazum potvrđuje legitimitet i legalnost postojanja Republike Srpske, kaže desničar koji je na noge digao celu Evropu

Dugo će Norbert Hofer, potpredsednik  Slobodarske partije Austrije, pamtiti nedelju, 22. maj, drugi krug predsedničkih izbora. Na spavanje je tog dana otišao kao lider u trci za predsednika Austrije, sa gotovo dva odsto više osvojenih glasova od protivkandidata Aleksandra van der Belena.

Sutradan je stiglo 750.000 glasova poslatih poštom i Hofer je poražen - nije postao prvi ekstremni desničar izabran za predsednika u nekoj državi Evrope još od Adolfa Hitlera.

Hofer u intervjuu Kuriru kaže da demokratski prihvata poraz.

Po vama, ima li logičnog objašnjenja šta se dogodilo između nedelje i ponedeljka, od toga da ste praktično proglašeni predsednikom do toga da su odlučili glasovi pristigli poštom?
- Austrijski izborni zakon predviđa da građani imaju mogućnost da poštom upute svoje glasove. Demokratski je prihvatiti da je moj protivnik na izborima dobio više glasova putem pošte nego ja.

Slovite za vrlo dopadljivog i šarmantnog govornika, znate li da je u Srbiji prva reakcija, u šali, bila ta da su mahom žene glasale za vas?
- Kao patriota i porodičan čovek, cilj na ovim izborima mi je bio da što više građana izabere onu političku opciju za koju smatra da je za Austriju i njih same najbolja. Iz tih razloga sam smatrao, i sada to zastupam, da je u politici bitno da vam narod veruje i da ste što autentičniji, sve ostalo je laskavo, ali sekundarno.

Zbog dobrih ekonomskih veza Austrije i Rusije, smatrate li da Rusiji treba ukinuti sankcije?
- Ekonomske sankcije prema Rusiji su u svakom slučaju donele više štete nego željenog efekta. Austrija je kao mala i izvozno orijentisana država pretrpela velike gubitke. Ekonomske sankcije su prevaziđen metod političkog pritiska jedne konfliktne strane naspram druge, dok posledice uvek trpe oni segmenti društva koji su najmanje krivi, kao što su građani ili manji i srednji privrednici. Iz tih razloga smatram da sankcije treba ukinuti i rešenje krize u Ukrajini tražiti putem dijaloga.

Protiv ste primanja Kosova u međunarodne organizacije i o tome javno govorite?
- Prema međunarodnom pravu, Kosovo i Metohija je sastavni deo Republike Srbije. Jednostrani potezi u kontekstu statusa srpske pokrajine otežavaju proces pomirenja i uspostavljanja istinskog dijaloga, i time sprečavaju miran i prosperitetan život svih građana na Kosovu i Metohiji.

Vaš stav prema Republici Srpskoj, Srbima u BiH, izaziva nedoumice u Evropi. Šta mislite, zašto?
- Dejtonski sporazum je zasad važeći međunarodni sporazum, koji potvrđuje legitimitet i legalnost postojanja Republike Srpske. Svi pokušaji određenih političkih činilaca u Evropi i van nje da se ovaj status promeni ili BiH još više centralizuje, i to mimo volje naroda Republike Srpske, naša stranka je uvek osuđivala. Iz tih razloga smo uvek podržavali napore rukovodstva RS, na prvom mestu predsednika Dodika, u vođenju samostalne politike, koja Srbima i svim drugim građanima RS obezbeđuje mir i stabilnost.

Kontroverze
NA REVERU RAZLIČAK, ZA POJASOM GLOK

Hofer je poznat po tome što često na rever stavlja cvet - različak, koji je simbol nacista. Naime, različak je bio omiljeni cvet nemačkog cara Vilhelma i koristili su ga nacionalisti u 19. veku. U periodu između dva rata kad je Nacional-socijalistička partija bila zabranjena u Austriji ovaj cvet je bio tajni simbol koji su nacisti nosili da bi se međusobno raspoznavali.

Hofer, koga zovu ,,prijateljskim licem stranke", često dolazi na posao - u parlament - noseći sa sobom pištolj marke ,,glok". On tvrdi da to čini jer se plaši izbeglica.

Biografija
NORBERT GERVALD HOFER

Rođen 2. marta 1971. godine
Diplomirao na Višoj tehničkoj školi vazduhoplovne tehnike
Od 1990. do 1991. služio kao vojnik na mađarskoj granici
Od 1991.do 1994. radio kao aeronautički inženjer
Od 2013. je treći predsednik Nacionalnog saveta Austrije
Dva puta se ženio, otac četvoro dece"

Koja je demokratija preeeeeevaraaaa,,,mislim zabole me za nemce i sve ostale germane, ali : 'stigli glasovi poštom'!!!
E, ne trolujem ,radije bi u ludačku košulju neg da priznam demokratiju kao validnu! Sve gola nameštaljka!

MY LIFE AFTER 44 YEARS IN PRISON

QuoteOne man's story of reintegration with the modern world. Stepping out into Times Square in New York City, Otis Johnson is struck by the overwhelming number of people. Everyone seems to be walking quickly with blank faces and wires in their ears.
He's confused. Being completely removed from society since 1975, Johnson thinks he's entered a dystopia where everyone has become a secret agent wearing wires. The Steve Jobs era has completely passed him by.
In August 2014, Johnson was released from prison after serving a 44-year sentence for the attempted murder of a police officer. He went to jail when he was 25 years old. By the time he came out, he was 69.
Johnson's release date was originally scheduled for earlier, but he ended up serving an additional eight months at the age of 69 for a juvenile shoplifting charge he received when he was 17.
Johnson represents a very small set of people in the United States. In 2013, approximately 3,900 inmates were released from US prisons after serving at least 20 years, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics. That is less than 0.7% of all state prisoners released that year.Meanwhile, about 6,000 federal prisoners are to be released in November 2015. The United States Sentencing Commission has implemented early releases for some drug offenders.
Prison reform has become a major focus point for the White House during US President Barack Obama's final year in office. In a recent speech at Rutgers University, he highlighted the need for prisoner re-entry programmes focused on education, job training and housing, and recounted success stories of formerly incarcerated citizens who had escaped the cycle of recidivism that plagues many inmates.
"It's not too late," Obama said. "There are people who have gone through tough times, they've made mistakes, but with a little bit of help, they can get on the right path."
But while initiatives to reduce the sentences for drug offenders and nonviolent crimes are under way, the elderly prison demographic is beginning to emerge as another group in need of legislation reform.In 2014, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, the overall US prison population fell to its lowest level since 2005.
However, the data also shows that from 1999 to 2014, the number of state and federal prisoners aged 55 and older grew by 250 percent, while those younger than 55 grew by only 8 percent. Elderly prisoners were only 3 percent of the total prison population in 1999. But by 2014, that number had grown to 10 percent.
The justice department sees the nearly quarter-million elderly prisoners as a top issue year after year, not least because housing and feeding an aging population is expensive. But the number of senior citizens released from prisons remains small.Bipartisan agreement on anything is rare these days. But there's consensus on mass incarceration. New sentencing guidelines could result in 46,000 of the nation's approximately 100,000 federal drug offenders qualifying for early release. Elderly inmates could be the next wave of ex-convicts to be reintroduced into society.
But former prisoners like Johnson, who was released after decades of isolation, encounter obstacles that transcend those the current, younger, wave of ex-convicts face. Their needs are drastically different. Mental health issues, coping strategies and other side effects of long-term imprisonment come into play.
Marieke Liem, a researcher at Harvard Kennedy School interviewed prisoners who have served decades behind bars. She said there is a large lack of resources for those coming out after serving long sentences.
From being introduced to modern technology, to navigating public transportation, to opening a bank account, to making simple life choices like what to buy at the grocery store, Liem says many of these kind of ex-prisoners struggle due their lack of agency.
"Prison decides when lights go on and when they go off," Liem said. "Every moment of the day is scheduled. When you have been in the prison system the majority of your life, how can you be expected to function as a member of society? And make a plan?"of federal drug offenders could qualify for early releaseUpon release from prison, Johnson was handed an ID, documents outlining his criminal case history, $40 and two bus tickets. Having lost all family connections while serving his sentence, Johnson now relies on Fortune Society, a nonprofit that provides housing and services to ex-prisoners in Harlem.
Each day, he navigates the world as best as he can. He involves himself with a local mosque. He practices tai chi and meditates. He attempts to pursue his dream of opening up a shelter for women, though with his lack of credit history securing the funds for such a project has proven close to impossible. He walks the streets of New York, observing people around him. He returns to Fortune Society by 9pm each night, heeding his curfew.
With the current focus on reform, Johnson hopes that re-entry for ex-prisoners, including those having served for decades, will be streamlined to effectively address their needs. Whether freedom can prove liberating, rather than overwhelming, for those convicts who have grayed behind bars, remains to be seen.For more stories like this, visit www.aljazeera.com/shorts.

http://youtu.be/OrH6UMYAVsk

From Bosnia to Iraq: The Failure of Forced Coexistence

Не цвета више цвеће ни у турско предузеће....

http://www.kurir.rs/planeta/nemacki-parlament-doneo-rezoluciju-turci-pocinili-genocid-nad-jermenima-clanak-2291399

Iako su, recimo, Švajcarci pre par dana sa više od tri četvrtine svih datih glasova odbacili ideju o uvođenju univerzalnog osnovnog prihoda, ta ideja definitivno ljudima deluje dovoljno interesantno da bi pokušali da je testiraju u praksi. Evo detalja o eksperimentu u Kaliforniji. Ove Holanđane smo, mislim, već pominjali na ovom istom topiku. Australijanci se još ne spremaju za takav potez, ali diskutuju o prednostima i manama.

kad je neko moron, tu pomoći nema
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objašnjenje
http://www.thelocal.at/20160607/austrian-far-right-tells-refugees-how-to-interact-with-our-women

Masakr u gej klubu: Šta znamo do sada?

Orlando -- Najmanje 50 osoba je ubijeno, a 53 ranjeno u pucnjavi u gej klubu u Orlandu na Floridi. Proglašeno je vanredno stanje, broj žrtava će verovatno još da raste.

Uber Banned in Germany and France, and Faces Lawsuits in Multiple States

KRVOPROLIĆE U PARIZU Na ulici zaklao policajca i njegovu ženu, ranio im sina: Ja sam borac IS-a

AA Gill
June 12 2016, 12:01am,
The Sunday Times

It was the woman on Question Time that really did it for me. She was so familiar. There is someone like her in every queue, every coffee shop, outside every school in every parish council in the country. Middle-aged, middle-class, middle-brow, over-made-up, with her National Health face and weatherproof English expression of hurt righteousness, she's Britannia's mother-in-law. The camera closed in on her and she shouted: "All I want is my country back. Give me my country back."

It was a heartfelt cry of real distress and the rest of the audience erupted in sympathetic applause, but I thought: "Back from what? Back from where?"

Wanting the country back is the constant mantra of all the outies. Farage slurs it, Gove insinuates it. Of course I know what they mean. We all know what they mean. They mean back from Johnny Foreigner, back from the brink, back from the future, back-to-back, back to bosky hedges and dry stone walls and country lanes and church bells and warm beer and skittles and football rattles and cheery banter and clogs on cobbles. Back to vicars-and-tarts parties and Carry On fart jokes, back to Elgar and fudge and proper weather and herbaceous borders and cars called Morris. Back to victoria sponge and 22 yards to a wicket and 15 hands to a horse and 3ft to a yard and four fingers in a Kit Kat, back to gooseberries not avocados, back to deference and respect, to make do and mend and smiling bravely and biting your lip and suffering in silence and patronising foreigners with pity.

We all know what "getting our country back" means. It's snorting a line of the most pernicious and debilitating Little English drug, nostalgia. The warm, crumbly, honey-coloured, collective "yesterday" with its fond belief that everything was better back then, that Britain (England, really) is a worse place now than it was at some foggy point in the past where we achieved peak Blighty. It's the knowledge that the best of us have been and gone, that nothing we can build will be as lovely as a National Trust Georgian country house, no art will be as good as a Turner, no poem as wonderful as If, no writer a touch on Shakespeare or Dickens, nothing will grow as lovely as a cottage garden, no hero greater than Nelson, no politician better than Churchill, no view more throat-catching than the White Cliffs and that we will never manufacture anything as great as a Rolls-Royce or Flying Scotsman again.

The dream of Brexit isn't that we might be able to make a brighter, new, energetic tomorrow, it's a desire to shuffle back to a regret-curdled inward-looking yesterday. In the Brexit fantasy, the best we can hope for is to kick out all the work-all-hours foreigners and become caretakers to our own past in this self-congratulatory island of moaning and pomposity.

And if you think that's an exaggeration of the Brexit position, then just listen to the language they use: "We are a nation of inventors and entrepreneurs, we want to put the great back in Britain, the great engineers, the great manufacturers." This is all the expression of a sentimental nostalgia. In the Brexiteer's mind's eye is the old Pathé newsreel of Donald Campbell, of John Logie Baird with his television, Barnes Wallis and his bouncing bomb, and Robert Baden-Powell inventing boy scouts in his shed.

All we need, their argument goes, is to be free of the humourless Germans and spoilsport French and all their collective liberalism and reality. There is a concomitant hope that if we manage to back out of Europe, then we'll get back to the bowler-hatted 1950s and the Commonwealth will hold pageants, fireworks displays and beg to be back in the Queen Empress's good books again. Then New Zealand will sacrifice a thousand lambs, Ghana will ask if it can go back to being called the Gold Coast and Britain will resume hand-making Land Rovers and top hats and Sheffield plate teapots.

There is a reason that most of the people who want to leave the EU are old while those who want to remain are young: it's because the young aren't infected with Bisto nostalgia. They don't recognise half the stuff I've mentioned here. They've grown up in the EU and at worst it's been neutral for them.

The under-thirties want to be part of things, not aloof from them. They're about being joined-up and counted. I imagine a phrase most outies identify with is "women's liberation has gone too far". Everything has gone too far for them, from political correctness — well, that's gone mad, hasn't it? — to health and safety and gender-neutral lavatories. Those oldies, they don't know if they're coming or going, what with those newfangled mobile phones and kids on Tinder and Grindr. What happened to meeting Miss Joan Hunter Dunn at the tennis club? And don't get them started on electric hand dryers, or something unrecognised in the bagging area, or Indian call centres , or the impertinent computer asking for a password that has both capitals and little letters and numbers and more than eight digits.

Brexit is the fond belief that Britain is worse now than at some point in the foggy past where we achieved peak Blighty
We listen to the Brexit lot talk about the trade deals they're going to make with Europe after we leave, and the blithe insouciance that what they're offering instead of EU membership is a divorce where you can still have sex with your ex. They reckon they can get out of the marriage, keep the house, not pay alimony, take the kids out of school, stop the in-laws going to the doctor, get strict with the visiting rights, but, you know, still get a shag at the weekend and, obviously, see other people on the side.

Really, that's their best offer? That's the plan? To swagger into Brussels with Union Jack pants on and say: " 'Ello luv, you're looking nice today. Would you like some?"

When the rest of us ask how that's really going to work, leavers reply, with Terry-Thomas smirks, that "they're going to still really fancy us, honest, they're gagging for us. Possibly not Merkel, but the bosses of Mercedes and those French vintners and cheesemakers, they can't get enough of old John Bull. Of course they're going to want to go on making the free market with two backs after we've got the decree nisi. Makes sense, doesn't it?"

Have no doubt, this is a divorce. It's not just business, it's not going to be all reason and goodwill. Like all divorces, leaving Europe would be ugly and mean and hurtful, and it would lead to a great deal of poisonous xenophobia and racism, all the niggling personal prejudice that dumped, betrayed and thwarted people are prey to. And the racism and prejudice are, of course, weak points for us. The tortuous renegotiation with lawyers and courts will be bitter and vengeful, because divorces always are and, just in passing, this sovereignty thing we're supposed to want back so badly, like Frodo's ring, has nothing to do with you or me. We won't notice it coming back, because we didn't notice not having it in the first place.

You won't wake up on June 24 and think: "Oh my word, my arthritis has gone! My teeth are suddenly whiter! Magically, I seem to know how to make a soufflé and I'm buff with the power of sovereignty." This is something only politicians care about; it makes not a jot of difference to you or me if the Supreme Court is a bunch of strangely out-of-touch old gits in wigs in Westminster or a load of strangely out-of-touch old gits without wigs in Luxembourg. What matters is that we have as many judges as possible on the side of personal freedom.

Personally, I see nothing about our legislators in the UK that makes me feel I can confidently give them more power. The more checks and balances politicians have, the better for the rest of us. You can't have too many wise heads and different opinions. If you're really worried about red tape, by the way, it's not just a European problem. We're perfectly capable of coming up with our own rules and regulations and we have no shortage of jobsworths. Red tape may be annoying, but it is also there to protect your and my family from being lied to, poisoned and cheated.

The first "X" I ever put on a voting slip was to say yes to the EU. The first referendum was when I was 20 years old. This one will be in the week of my 62nd birthday. For nearly all my adult life, there hasn't been a day when I haven't been pleased and proud to be part of this great collective. If you ask me for my nationality, the truth is I feel more European than anything else. I am part of this culture, this European civilisation. I can walk into any gallery on our continent and completely understand the images and the stories on the walls. These people are my people and they have been for thousands of years. I can read books on subjects from Ancient Greece to Dark Ages Scandinavia, from Renaissance Italy to 19th-century France, and I don't need the context or the landscape explained to me. The music of Europe, from its scales and its instruments to its rhythms and religion, is my music. The Renaissance, the rococo, the Romantics, the impressionists, gothic, baroque, neoclassicism, realism, expressionism, futurism, fauvism, cubism, dada, surrealism, postmodernism and kitsch were all European movements and none of them belongs to a single nation.

There is a reason why the Chinese are making fake Italian handbags and the Italians aren't making fake Chinese ones. This European culture, without question or argument, is the greatest, most inventive, subtle, profound, beautiful and powerful genius that was ever contrived anywhere by anyone and it belongs to us. Just look at my day job — food. The change in food culture and pleasure has been enormous since we joined the EU, and that's no coincidence. What we eat, the ingredients, the recipes, may come from around the world, but it is the collective to and fro of European interests, expertise and imagination that has made it all so very appetising and exciting.

The restaurant was a European invention, naturally. The first one in Paris was called The London Bridge.

Culture works and grows through the constant warp and weft of creators, producers, consumers, intellectuals and instinctive lovers. You can't dictate or legislate for it, you can just make a place that encourages it and you can truncate it. You can make it harder and more grudging, you can put up barriers and you can build walls, but why on earth would you? This collective culture, this golden civilisation grown on this continent over thousands of years, has made everything we have and everything we are, why would you not want to be part of it?

I understand that if we leave we don't have to hand back our library ticket for European civilisation, but why would we even think about it? In fact, the only ones who would are those old, philistine scared gits. Look at them, too frightened to join i

Na istu temu, evo stripa koji daje oridžin stori:


https://thenib.com/the-uk-might-leave-the-european-union-heres-why-f32dc653a220#.cd1lrrblk

hedi <3

http://www.thelocal.at/20160614/the-untold-story-of-the-genius-of-hedy-lamarr

Nije samo Hedi...

http://www.voxfeminae.net/feministyle/item/6295-18-izuma-zena-koji-su-promijenili-svijet

QuoteRačunalni algoritam
Ada Lovelace, kćer Lorda Byrona, radila je s Charlesom Babbageom na londonskom sveučilištu na njegovim planovima za 'analitički stroj', odnosno kompjuter, kako bi smislila načine za programiranje matematičkih algoritama, što ju u suštini čini prvim računalnim programerom.

QuotePivo 
Povjesničarka piva Jane Peyton tvrdi kako su drevne mezopotamske žene prve razvile, prodavale, pa čak i pile pivo. Iako je teško odrediti tko je to točno prije više tisuća godina 'izumio' pivo koje poznajemo i volimo, sigurno je reći da su drevne žene diljem svijeta nešto fermentirale. Idući put kada podignete čašu, nazdravite Ninkasi, sumerskoj božici piva!

Знали су Месопотамци да је пиво најбоље кад га богиња донесе!

Ode li Britanija, Europska unija bit će siromašnija i manje liberalna, a stradala bi i Hrvatska

Britanski glas za izlazak iz EU-a na referendumu 23. lipnja nanio bi težak udarac samopouzdanju Europske unije i njezinoj međunarodnoj poziciji, odstranivši joj drugo najveće gospodarstvo i jednu od dviju glavnih vojnih sila

juče pričam sa britankom koja je protiv brexita al kaže da će biti kritično i da možda i prođe.

btw, meho!
kaže mi ista žena da je tačno da im nisu potrebni IDs kad glasaju, al da je kvalitet voting carda takav da teško može da se fejkuje a bez njega ne možeš da glasaš. plus, dobiješ ga na kućnu adresu i moraš da ga predaš na glasačkom mestu.
uglavnom, njeno mišljenje je da tu nema prostora za krađu glasova al da se ubiše od krađe sa glasačima na daljinu. lol

Moja svastika toga izgleda nije svesna 

Quote from: lilit on 19-06-2016, 14:14:06
juče pričam sa britankom koja je protiv brexita al kaže da će biti kritično i da možda i prođe.

linkovao jer kod mene prilicna tema, t.j. u nijemaca. mnogi/vecina se u biti (potajno) nada(ju) brexitu jer britance uglavnom gledaju kao produzenu ruku us-amerike u europi.
sve uz nadgradnju zivog sjecanja na financijsku krizu i london kao financijski centar (primjer kleinwort benson -> dresdner -> commerzbank -> poreznik).

Ako prođe, isprazniće se institucije EU. Veliko parče zaposlenih tamo su Britanci (pored Nemaca i Francuza), koji, većinski, jedini imaju privilegiju da ne znaju da beknu na francuskom jeziku, iako godinama rade i žive u Briselu, za razliku od ostalih koji uredno nauče i francuski, najpre iz poštovanja prema domaćinu.

Možda se outside EU institucija ne zna, ali unutra vlada sukob između anglo i franko struje. Stigne mejl svima na engleskom (standard je da su mejlovi dvojezični - Eng i Fra, mada je i nemački zvanični jezik EU institucija), i odmah zatim stiže i osorni reply - gde je mejl na Fra?

Osim toga, svakog meseca je bio organizovan protest unutar institucijskog EU sistema protiv dominacije Britanaca, Francuza i Nemaca, jer samo oni i drže bitne i srednje bitne funkcije u EU. Žalile su se manje i novije članice. Zvanično. Na mejl svima, celom sistemu EU.

Moja koleginica sa projekta, Kejti, dobila je ugovor da ostane da radi u instituciji EU, samo zato što joj je i šefica, kao i ona, bila iz Britanije. Isto se desilo i jednoj Grkinji, ali ona nije bila zadovoljna ostankom, za razliku od Kejti, koja je samo to i želela.

Da ne pominjemo koliku emigraciju ima Britanija u EU. Samo je moj landlord u Briselu bio Britanac, rođen u Belgiji, a njegovi roditelji su još kupili kuću koju tamo izdaje.

Ovo je druga strana priče. Ima neko ko će da se obraduje izlasku Britanije iz EU i da zauzme sva njihova vodeća mesta, a ni Britancima neće biti lako, jer to znači da će veliki broj njih lagodno izgubiti dobre poslove i odlične plate. Pogotovo ako se za njihove građane uvedu restrikcije u EU, što može da bude povratna reakcija EU. Pobediće politički interes, naravno.

Britanski referendum je za dva dana.


http://youtu.be/USTypBKEd8Y

premda, britanski referendum o tome da li parlament može da stavi brexit na dnevni red je malo funny al ajd da vidimo i to čudo

https://ukconstitutionallaw.org/2016/06/22/alan-renwick-the-road-to-brexit/

Leave camp leads in early UK referendum results, but polls indicate Remain 

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* Polls put Remain camp in the lead after bruising campaign
* Leave ahead after first few official results
* UKIP leader fears defeat but remains defiant
* Sterling yo-yos on polls, early results
* For full coverage click on cpurl://apps.cp./cms/?pageId=brexit (Adds initial results, sterling falls back, new Farage quotes, context )
By Andy Bruce and Costas Pitas
LONDON, June 24 (Reuters) - Opinion polls suggest that Britons have voted in a referendum to stay in the European Union, but the first few official results on Friday put the 'Brexit' campaign ahead, prompting wild swings in the value of the pound.
With (Other OTC: WWTH - news) results in from the first five of 382 voting districts, those in favour of ending Britain's 43-year membership had a small lead of 3,207 votes, though it was far too early to discern a reliable trend.
Opinion surveys pointed to a vote to Remain, and two prominent anti-EU campaigners acknowledged they looked likely to lose.
Nigel Farage, head of the UK Independence Party and a leading voice in favour of leaving the EU, told Sky News: "It's been an extraordinary referendum campaign, turnout looks to be exceptionally high and looks like Remain will edge it."
Farage said his prediction was based on "what I know from some of my friends in the financial markets who have done some big polling". Government minister Theresa Villiers, who also campaigned for Britain to leave, told Sky News her instinct was that the Remain side had won.
Farage's comments and pro-Remain opinion polls pushed the pound to his highest level this year, above $1.50. But it then plunged after the vote count in the northeastern city of Sunderland showed a stronger-than-expected vote in favour of taking Britain out of the EU.
Sterling fell more than six cents, diving as low as $1.4351 before recovering to around $1.4540 in extremely volatile and illiquid trading.
A vote to stay would come as a massive relief to Britain's 27 EU partners, who had feared the departure of the bloc's second biggest economy would weaken Europe's global clout and fuel the rise of eurosceptic movements in other countries.
Prime Minister David Cameron had urged Britons to vote Remain, warning that the alternative was a leap in the dark that would hurt trade and investment, bring about a self-inflicted recession, undermine the pound and push up shopping bills and the cost of holidays.
Advocates of going it alone said a 'Brexit' would invigorate the economy by freeing business from suffocating EU bureaucracy, and allow the country to recover its sovereignty and regain control of immigration.
Before a single result had emerged, a survey by pollster YouGov (LSE: YOU.L - news) showed Remain ahead by a margin of 52 to 48 percent. Unlike a classic exit poll, it was based on online responses by a pre-selected sample of people rather than a survey of voters as they left polling stations.
Pollster Ipsos-MORI also put Remain in the lead, saying that surveys it had carried out on Wednesday and Thursday gave it a 54-46 margin of victory. An Ipsos-MORI poll published earlier had just a 52-48 split for Remain.
"It's early days and there will be twists and turns through the early hours of this morning but, for now, the markets have taken that YouGov poll as a strong indication that the Remain camp has won," said Jeremy Cook, chief economist at international payments company World First in London.
IMMIGRATION ANGST
A vote to stay would would leave the EU intact, with its most free-market proponent still a member. However, what began as a domestic political gambit by Cameron has polarised the country and exposed wider challenges facing Europe: public angst over immigration and the falling living standards of many in the world's richest region.
Marred by the murder of a pro-EU UK politician, Jo Cox, who was shot and stabbed in the street a week ago, the campaign and its divisive rhetoric highlighted the populist wave also seeping into the U.S (Other OTC: UBGXF - news) . election race.
A defiant Farage said he was not conceding defeat, even though he feared the result would go against him.
"I hope I am wrong, I hope I am made a fool of, believing that to be the case. Either way, whether I am right or wrong, if we do stay part of this union it is doomed, it is finished anyway. If we fail tonight it will not be us that knocks out the first brick from the wall, it will be someone else," he said.
Ralph Brinkhaus, a senior ally of German Chancellor Angela Merkel and deputy parliamentary floor leader for her conservatives in the Bundestag, told Reuters: "The released polls show the expected neck-and-neck race. It will remain exciting until the early morning hours. I hope that the British have decided against a Brexit."
If it votes to stay, Britain has been promised a special status exempting it from any further political integration, but European leaders will still have to address a sharp rise in euroscepticism across the continent.
A Brexit vote, however, would deal a potentially fatal blow to the career of Cameron, who called the referendum and campaigned for the country to stay in, against a Leave camp led by rivals from within his own Conservative Party.
"Thank you everyone who voted to keep Britain stronger, safer and better off in Europe - and to the thousands of Remain campaigners around the UK," Cameron said on Facebook (NasdaqGS: FB - news) .
In a letter, 84 eurosceptic Conservative lawmakers called on Cameron to remain prime minister regardless of the result. It marked the first attempt to heal the deep rifts that have opened up in the ruling party since the start of the campaign.
The signatories included prominent Leave campaigners Boris Johnson, the former mayor of London, and Michael Gove, a cabinet minister and personal friend of Cameron.
But despite the statement of loyalty, Cameron would face huge pressure from the country at large to step down as prime minister if Britons have defied him and voted to leave.

WEATHER DISRUPTION
Results are due to be announced throughout the night.
The vote came on a day when London and parts of southeast England were hit by torrential rain, causing floods and widespread transport chaos.
Five London polling stations opened late as staff struggled to get there, and two closed briefly because of flooding but were re-opened in back-up locations. Local (Stuttgart: 19549987.SG - news) media reported some voters had to wade through water to reach a polling station.
"In London/southeast and want to vote in the #EURef? Make sure you plan now to get back to your local polling station by 10pm!" the Electoral Commission said during the evening on Twitter (Xetra: A1W6XZ - news) as commuters struggled with train cancellations.
Among those affected was Johnson, who cast his vote with just 25 minutes to spare after returning to the capital from his daughter's graduation in Scotland.
"Let's see, let's see. It's in the hands of the people now," he said when asked how he felt about the vote.

ders no exit lajk brexsit!!! praznik za eu, velicanstveno. nikad nisu podnijeli proshirenje i manje mogucnosti maltreta ex-non-clanica, da se ne pita samo british.

HOW AGES VOTED (YouGov poll)
18-24: 75% Remain
25-49: 56% Remain
50-64: 44% Remain
65+: 39% Remain

Da.

Tviter će danas biti pakao. 



Britain votes to leave EU in historic divorce

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              LONDON (Reuters) - Britain has voted to leave the European Union, results from Thursday's landmark referendum showed, an outcome that sets the country on an uncertain path and deals the largest setback to European efforts to forge greater unity since World War Two.
     World financial markets dived as nearly complete results showed a 51.8/48.2 percent split for leaving. Sterling suffered its biggest one-day fall of more than 10 percent against the dollar, hitting a 31-year low on market fears the decision will hit investment in the world's 5th largest economy.
The vote will initiate at least two years of messy divorce proceedings with the EU, raise questions over London's role as a global financial capital and put huge pressure on Prime Minister David Cameron to resign, though he pledged during the campaign to stay on whatever the result.
              The euro slumped more than 3 percent against the dollar on concerns a Brexit vote will do wider economic and political damage to what will become a 27-member union. Investors poured into safe-haven assets including gold, and the yen surged. European shares were on course to open 6 to 7.5 percent lower.
There was no immediate comment from the Bank of England. Global policymakers prepared for action to stabilise markets, with Japanese Finance Minister Taro Aso promising to "respond as needed" in the currency market.
Yet there was euphoria among Britain's eurosceptic forces, claiming a victory they styled as a protest against British political leaders, big business and foreign leaders including Barack Obama who had urged Britain to stay in the bloc.
              "Dare to dream that the dawn is breaking on an independent United Kingdom," said Nigel Farage, leader of the eurosceptic UK Independence Party.
"If the predictions are right, this will be a victory for real people, a victory for ordinary people, a victory for decent people ... Let June 23 go down in our history as our independence day."
              He called the EU a "doomed project".
              By 5.41 a.m. BST, 93 percent of the vote had been counted, making Leave's lead impossible to reverse.



Nigel Farage, the leader of the United Kingdom Independence Party (UKIP), reacts at a Leave.eu party ...
Asked if Cameron, who called the referendum in 2013 and campaigned to stay in the bloc, should resign if Britain voted for Brexit, Farage said: "Immediately."
              An aide working in Cameron's office told reporters: "We're in uncharted territory... Everyone's just really tired. They haven't slept."
     The United Kingdom itself now faces a threat to its survival, as Scotland voted 62 percent in favour of staying in the EU and is likely to press for a new referendum on whether to become independent after its 2014 vote to stay in the UK.
              Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon said Thursday's vote "makes clear that the people of Scotland see their future as part of the European Union."
Northern Ireland's largest Irish nationalist party, Sinn Fein, said the result intensified the case for a vote on whether to quit the United Kingdom.


              European politicians reacted with shock. "Please tell me I'm still sleeping and this is all just a bad nightmare!" former Finnish Prime Minister Alexander Stubb tweeted.
Quitting the EU could cost Britain access to the EU's trade barrier-free single market and mean it must seek new trade accords with countries around the world. President Barack Obama says it would be at the "back of a queue" for a U.S. pact.
                  The EU for its part will emerge economically and politically weakened, facing the departure not only of its most free-market proponent but also a member country that wields a U.N. Security Council veto and runs a powerful army. In one go, the bloc will lose around a sixth of its total economic output.
     Cameron is expected to formally report the result to his European counterparts within days and prepare negotiations for the first exit by a member state from the EU -- an exit he has said would be irreversible.
                  The British leader called the referendum in 2013 in a bid to head off pressure from local eurosceptics, including within his own party. Initially billed as an easy ride, the vote has now put his political future on the line. Party ally Boris Johnson, the former London mayor who became the most recognizable face of the "leave" camp, is now widely tipped to seek his job.



              Opinion polls had see-sawed throughout an acrimonious four-month campaign, but the Remain camp edged ahead last week after a pro-EU member of parliament, Jo Cox, was shot and stabbed to death by a man shouting "Britain first". The attack shocked Britons and raised questions about whether the tone of the debate was fuelling intolerance and hatred.
              In the end though, the pro-EU camp was powerless to stop a tide of anti-establishment feeling and disenchantment with a Europe that many Britons see as remote, bureaucratic and mired in permanent crises.
              TORN APART
     Britain, which joined the then European Economic Community (EEC) in 1973, has always been an ambivalent member. A  firm supporter of  free trade, tearing down internal economic barriers and expanding the EU to take in ex-communist eastern states, it opted out of joining the euro single currency or the Schengen border-free zone.
     Cameron's ruling Conservatives in particular have risked being torn apart by a slow by steady rise in euroscepticism ever since differences over Europe triggered the ousting of former Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher in 1990.


World leaders including Obama, Chinese President Xi Jinping, German Chancellor Angela Merkel, NATO and Commonwealth governments had all urged a "Remain" vote, saying Britain would be stronger and more influential in the EU than outside.
                  Yet the four-month campaign has been among the divisive ever waged in Britain, with accusations of lying and scare-mongering on both sides and rows on immigration which critics said at times unleashed overt racism.
     It also revealed deeper splits in British society, with the pro-Brexit side drawing support from millions of voters who felt left behind by globalisation and believed they saw no benefits from Britain's ethnic diversity and free-market economy.
     Concerns over uncontrolled immigration, loss of sovereignty, remote rule from Brussels and a protest vote from working class northern voters appear to have trumped almost unanimous warnings of the economic perils of going it alone.
              "People are concerned about how they have been treated with austerity and how their wages have been frozen for about seven years," said John McDonnell, finance spokesman for the opposition Labour Party, which had favoured a Remain vote.


              "A lots of people's grievances have come out and we have got to start listening to them."   
     Surveys on public attitudes across the EU have for years shown growing disenchantment with European integration, a project that began in the 1950s as a common market for steel and coal but which over the years offered members the chance to join up to a single currency and do away with old national borders.
                  Yet while it has become a feature of everyday life seen in everything from EU-sponsored student exchanges to rules on mobile telephone roaming charges, the EU lost public support over its handling of the 2009 sovereign debt crisis that inflicted painful austerity on much of the south of the continent and left many citizens in northern countries resentful at having to fund bailouts.
                  Right-wing British eurosceptics seized on the euro zone crisis to argue that Britain was "shackled to a corpse".
                  Aside from Denmark-ruled Greenland, which left the EEC in 1985 after a row over fishing rights, Britain is the first country to leave the EU, and even EU officials say it takes the continent into uncharted territory.


EU affairs ministers and ambassadors from member states gather in Luxembourg by 10 a.m. (9.00 a.m. BST) for routine talks that will provide the first chance for many to react. A regular EU summit has been pushed back to next Tuesday and Wednesday, when Cameron may trigger Article 50 of the EU's treaty, the legal basis for a country to leave, setting in motion two years of divorce negotiations.
      Even less clear at this stage is what sort of relationship Britain will seek to negotiate with the EU once it has left.
     To retain access to the single market, vital for its giant financial services sector, London would have to adopt all EU regulation without having a say in its shaping, and pay a substantial contribution to Brussels coffers for market access, as Norway and Switzerland do. EU officials have said UK-based banks and financial companies would lose automatic "passport" access to sell services across Europe if Britain ceased to apply the EU principles of free movement of goods, capital, services and people.
                  Aside from trade, huge questions now face the millions of British expatriates who live freely elsewhere in the bloc and enjoy equal access to health and other benefits, as well as some 2 million EU citizens who live and work in Britain.
                  Core founding members of the EU such as France and Germany will be wary of making life too easy for Britain for fear of encouraging eurosceptics across the continent to call for referendums in their countries.
                  French Economy Minister Emmanuel Macron said last weekend that "when you're out, you're out", insisting Britain could expect no preferential treatment. German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble has issued similar warnings.
     Both countries, whose painful post-war reconciliation formed the basis for the future union of Europe, must now deal with buoyant anti-EU parties at home, with the Alternative fuer Deutschland  in Germany and the Front National in France.

The UK may have commited 'an act of economic self-harm with global ramifications'

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In a stunning development, British voters have voted to leave the European Union. During the weeks building up to Thursday's EU referendum, aka the Brexit vote, experts repeatedly warned of the economic damage that would come should the UK leave the euro. While polls ahead of the vote showed that the 'remain' camp would win, it appears that the 'leave' camp has won.
To be clear, the vote is only advisory and not quite legally binding. But it reflects what the voters want, and it will force policymakers to act in what could be around 2-years worth of negotiations that ends with the UK officially leaving the EU.
Economists continue to believe that this is a net negative for the UK economy at least in the near-term. And furthermore, they warn of ripple effects.
"UK voters have opted for Brexit," Pantheon Macroeconomics' Samuel Tombs said early Friday. "If fully followed through, this will be an act of economic self-harm with global ramifications."
Tombs notes that the UK could unwind this whole thing if policymakers can push through a new deal, which could be followed by another referendum in which the 'remain' vote could win.
But for now, Tombs walks clients through what happens if the UK stays on this path.
"Unless a swift deal can be done, however, the UK is likely to enter recession," Tombs wrote in a note to clients. "Businesses will hold back from investing, credit costs will rise, and import prices will soar, squeezing households' spending power. The UK would not leave the single market overnight; lengthy trade negotiations with the EU will ensue, and the UK can't be forced out for two years. But the direction of travel would be clear: British exporters' access to the single market, and to markets in other countries that have free trade agreements with the EU, would be impaired."
For now, Tombs expects the Bank of England to loosen monetary policy to offset the near-term market volatility.
Still, politcal instability will ensue. Furthermore, other anti-EU movements across mainland Europe feel emboldened in their own efforts.
It's neither a smooth ride nor a pretty picture.
Perhaps the crashing British pound and tumbling stock markets may have people rethinking things sooner than later.

Doviđenja i daleko im lepa kuća. Britanci se ionako ne uklapaju u kontinentalni kulturni i civilizacijski prostor.

Uzeti im sve EU privilegije i sve ih vratiti u Britaniju.

engleska govna! nije njih hitler dovoljno bombardovao!

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Ne, samo su Britanci navikli na privilegije bez mnogo truda. Sada samima sebi uskaču u stomak i ne treba ih sprečavati u tome. Slobodna volja, sloboda izbora etc.

Dok Britanija EU sve vreme vidi kao šansu i priliku (i kada nisu dobili šta su želeli, rešili su da odu), ostatak Evrope je, manje-više, vidi kao jedinstveni ekonomsko-kulturni prostor. Mentalitet je potpuno drugačiji. EU i treba da se očisti od oportunista. Bar onih najpohlepnijih,

I kraj EU kakvu je poznajemo sada je počeo.

ovo se mora zabiljeziti...

Em će nakon izlaska bizi gore  Britancima, em će biti gore EU, em će biti gore nama.
Zanimljivo da se pričalo da će referendum biti namešten, ali izgleda da je sve proteklo pošteno.

Da, videćemo na šta će da sve ovo liči u narednim decenijama. Škotska i Irska su većinski glasale za ostanak, naravno pa sad vele da je i opstanak UK pod znakom pitanja. Kameron najavio ostavku... Sećaćemo se jednom gde smo bili na dan bregzita 

Izgleda da su neki milenijalci glasali za odlazak, jer su bili toliko uvereni u ostanak da su želeli samo da razlika u glasovima ne bude prevelika. Ako Britanija napusti EU bar će se broj idiota u EU smanjiti.

Ako nekome još uvek nije jasno gde je Srbijica danas...

https://twitter.com/radio_kosava/status/746046071269396480?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Гејропа умире, Гејропа гаси се, а ви просите, за евро молите, муве подрепне.
Снови руше се, Путин пита се, марш у Брисел бре, у Брисел бре, па тамо смрдите.

Indikativno je da su i njima i nama sudbinu odredili penzosi: http://www.kurir.rs/planeta/penzioneri-sutnuli-evropu-ovako-je-britanija-glasala-na-bregzitu-clanak-2323681

Može se povući jasna paralela između SNS penzionera i brexitovskih. Osim ako smatrate da su tamo starci najpametniji i najprogresivniji deo populacije.

Čim ne odgovaraju rezultati izbora-krivi penzioneri...
Nije to tako prosto, ni crno belo. Očito je da mnoge stvari u Evropi ne štimaju, i to odavno nije ona Evropa koja je bila uzor mnogima. Svoditi te procese na preglasavanje od penzionera je smešno.

Kao i ovde, stavovi mladih se vrlo razlikuju od stavova penzionera. Mislim da to govori neke stvari...

Труман, једина нада младе интелигенције.

Trumane, tebi ako je lakše, ti se ,,brani'' tako.
Sam znaš da su stvari mnogo složenije. Sve se menja, Evropa više nije ono što je bila.

Menja se voljom njenih građana. Sledeći potres koji će udariti UK će biti verovatno jača želja Škota i možda Iraca da je napuste. Slede novi referendumi i raspad Kraljestva. Ja da sam Englez nikako ne bih voleo taj scenario. Što se tiče budućnosti EU verujem da ona zavisi od sposobnosti iste da se izbori sa izbeglicama. Ako to učini uspešno ne vidim zašto bi druge zemlje izlazile...

Pa očito imaju gomilu problema koje ti ne vidiš, dok jačaju nacionalistički lideri i pokreti za otcepljenje.
Pa šta ako se raspadne Kraljevstvo?Neće crći Englezi. Nisu oni mi, raziće se mirno kao Česi i Slovaci, neće se ubijati, rušiti ono što su izgradili. I dalje će održavati bliske trgovinske i svake druge odnose.

Interesantno. Pitanje omladine glasi: "Šta će pogoditi Britaniju", a ne "Šta će pogoditi Uniju". Kao i tamo i ovde se stavovi mladih mnogo razlikuju od stavova iskusnijih. Mislim da to govori neke stvari...