Jasnoviđenje

[Truman]

Radim jasnoviđenje koristeći tehniku Silva kontrole uma pa ako vas zanima može da bude zabavno. Treba mi ime, prezime, godine života i mesto života osobe koju želite da ''pročitam'' tj. da dam psihofizički opis. Može i na pp.
Zajebanti STOP. Ko ne veruje može ovde ( http://www.forum.hr/showthread.php?t=739974 ) da se uveri. Ja volim ovo da vežbam, a može i vama da bude interesantno. Tema više spada pod ezoteriju, ali sam sam sebi obećao da ne pišem više na tom podforumu.

[Alexdelarge]

VIDOVNJAK, im. osoba, najčešće žena, koja ima moć da vidi ono što je nevidljivo njenom klijentu - naime, da je budala.

[Truman]

Kako Vi kazete.

[mac]

A čiji um se kontroliše u toj kontroli uma?

[tomat]

nije li to neki self-help metod/multimilionski biznis venčr?

[scallop]

Nisam znao da to još fura svoj fazon.

[Truman]

A čiji um se kontroliše u toj kontroli uma?

Pa tvoj um

tomat, jeste self-help a za to preostalo što si napisao nemam pojma

[tomat]

pa ako se ne varam, to je postalo nešto slično nekom multilevel sistemu, u kojem instruktori prodaju metod u vidu kurseva koje drže, i gde se zgrće dosta love.

[Truman]

Ma gluposti...Ovo je ozbiljna metoda koja se bazira na nauci...proguglaj malo. A Jose Silva je izuzetan čovek, trebalo je to umeti uočiti i smisliti. Mislim na dejstvo koje alfa talasi imaju po ljude...

[Alexdelarge]

SILVA METOD KONTROLE UMA

[Truman]

Ne otvara mi...o čemu je reč?

[smrklja]

joj kad čujem za taj Silva metod kontrole ume dobijem napade smehe, celu tu priču prodavao nam je profesor odbrane i zaštite u gimnazji i pokušavao da nas zavrbuje ili šta već, na nekoj od blok nastava negde na Adi pokušao je da nam to demonstrira brzim pamćenjem pojmova i brojeva, sve je bilo dobro dok nije došao do par nas da nam to kao pokaže, tako brzo smo ga isperskakali (to je tražio od nas da ga kao zbunimo) da je zaboravio i borojeve i pojmove, ipak vrhunac je bio kad je seo da igra preferans sa nama, izdržali smo dok nije dobio četvrtu kontru za redom, izem ti ja te kontrole ume kad ne ume adute da izbroji 

[mac]

Da, ali vidiš, po Trumanu taj lik nije ni pokušavao da kontroliše svoj um, nego vaš...

[tomat]

Ma gluposti...Ovo je ozbiljna metoda koja se bazira na nauci...proguglaj malo. A Jose Silva je izuzetan čovek, trebalo je to umeti uočiti i smisliti. Mislim na dejstvo koje alfa talasi imaju po ljude...

instruktori rade u 107 zemalja sveta, a vikend kurs košta oko 350$. kada se to izmnoži, izađe na multimilionski biznis venčr.

http://web.archive.org/web/20041224005315/http:/www.silvacourse.com/whatis.html

bacio sam letimičan pogled, i ne izgleda meni da tu ima puno nauke. više deluje kao slobodno tumačenje i adaptacija (pseudo)naučnih pretpostavki od kojih neke jednostavno nisu tačne, dok su neke zastarele i odbačene.

http://www.skepdic.com/silva.html

pogledah i ovo što je ADL linkovao (knjiga Silva metod kontrole uma Hosea Silve, peto izdanje iz 1995, bar tako piše), i najnovija referenca koja je korišćena je iz 1972. čini mi se da se od tada štošta novog desilo i saznalo.

[Джон Рейнольдс]

Пуните човеку тему тим безвезаријама, а лепо је тражио податке да покаже шта зна. Ево ја ћу, стављам у код да не може да се изгугла:

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Зоран Максимовић, стар 38 година, живи у Београду, у Жаркову.

[zakk]

Služba na delu!

[Truman]

Пуните човеку тему тим безвезаријама, а лепо је тражио податке да покаже шта зна. Ево ја ћу, стављам у код да не може да се изгугла:

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Зоран Максимовић, стар 38 година, живи у Београду, у Жаркову.

visok, crnokos, vitak ali snazne gradje. Voli suknje i velike zadnjice kod zena. Ima samopouzdanje. Prevrtljiv i nepouzdan. Voli tehniku, crtanje. Pametan Voli kaomione, voli klavir. Voli lazanje. Zdravstveni problemi sa ocima i nosom. Trenutno ceka na neki posao. Pije i pusi.

nije mi se mnogo otvorio. Dajte narednu osobu.

[JasonBezArgonauta]

joj kad čujem za taj Silva metod kontrole ume dobijem napade smehe

Naravno, jedini pravi je Henri Silva metod kontrole uma.

[Alexdelarge]

 You guys think you're above the law... well you ain't above mine! 

[JasonBezArgonauta]

Terrible enfant, pa zar ti niti u jednu od ovih Silva metoda ne veruješ?

[Джон Рейнольдс]

Није лоше, Трумане. Макса је Циганин, својевремено се бавио продајом девиза. Можда воли камионе, али више воли робу у камионима, а највише техничку која из камиона испадне. Због тога је мало и робијао (техничке робе, не камиона). Не верујем да је икад чуо за лазање, за клавир је чуо, али више воли 'армонику. Жене воли. С очима и носем нисам сигуран да ли има проблема, можда ако се побије с неким. Убо си да пије и пуши. Не чека послове, прилично је проактиван.

[lilit]

Meni je Truman bas super! Samo napred!

[Ghoul]

Није лоше, Трумане. Макса је Циганин

čekaj bre, sa tako generičkim imenom, JEDINI li je u celom žarkovu?

možda je ovaj pročito nekog drugog ZM, 38 iz Ž?

[Джон Рейнольдс]

То питај Трумана. Цигани или имају генеричка имена типа Чедомир Јовановић или необична, она њихова орчка или креативна типа Јамесдин, Брусли и сл. Нема ту неке средине. Како их Труман распознаје, питај њега.

[Truman]

Džone, nisam zadovoljan ni količinom informacija koje sam video ni tačnošću. Ajde dajte druge podatke, kad-tad će morati da mi proradi.

[mac]

Kad-tad? Kakve ima koristi od kad-tad? Kad-tad će i ćorava koka ubosti zrno.

[Truman]

Nisi razumeo, postoje serije kada udjem u dobro citanje i kada sam u losem...Pogledaj malo onu temu na hrvatskom forumu i kakvi su utisci ljudi...

[mac]

Aha, kad-tad ćeš ući u seriju, okej. Verovatnoća da se to desi je "kad-tad na n-ti stepen", što jeste manje od pojedinačnog kad-tad, ali desi se... kad-tad.

[Truman]

kakvi ste smorovi. Zar vam nije lakse da mi ostavite podatke nego da tupite... Ostavili ste samo za jednu osobu i vec sve znate na osnovu tog "reprezentativnog" uzorka.

[Hiperhik]

Evo, da vežbaš:

Željko Ćevap

46 godina

Zemun

[Truman]

Evo, da vežbaš:

Željko Ćevap

46 godina

Zemun

Hvala ( nadam se da mu je ovo pravo prezime ).
Vidim ga sa kapom, u levoj ruci drži novine. Puši lulu. Ne pije alkohol. Vrat mu je malo povijen. Deluje usporeno. Pritajeno surov. Voli druženje sa ljudima i šah. Voli pisanje, čitanje i crtanje. Voli pečenje. Voli šetnju. Ima ženu, a prefirira punačkije žene. Zdravstveni problemi sa bubregom i reproduktivnim organima.

[Hiperhik]

Hm.

Jeste pravo prezime, radi se o mom drugaru iz osnovne škole.

Nikada nije pušio i pio. Nije mu povijen vrat i nije usporen, naprotiv, oduvek je bio veoma dinamičan. Pritajeno surov...moguće, sećam se da je umeo pomalko da maltretira decu po školi. Voli društvo. šah ne igra. Ne piše, ne crta i ne čita. Voli pečenje i voli šetnju. Nije se ženio, a ne znam kakve žene preferira, kao ni zdravstveno stanje.

Dakle, ima promašaja, ima pogodaka, a neke stvari ne znam.

Nadam se da ti i ovo pomaže pri vežbanju.

[Truman]

Hvala. Ajmo dalje...zainatio sam se.

[Ghoul]

goran stevanović, 39 godina, niš

[Meho Krljic]

Forer effect

The Forer effect refers to the tendency of people to rate sets of statements as highly accurate for them personally even though the statements could apply to many people.
Psychologist Bertram R. Forer (1914-2000) found that people tend to accept vague and general personality descriptions as uniquely applicable to themselves without realizing that the same description could be applied to just about anyone. Consider the following as if it were given to you as an evaluation of your personality.

You have a need for other people to like and admire you, and yet you tend to be critical of yourself. While you have some personality weaknesses you are generally able to compensate for them. You have considerable unused capacity that you have not turned to your advantage. Disciplined and self-controlled on the outside, you tend to be worrisome and insecure on the inside. At times you have serious doubts as to whether you have made the right decision or done the right thing. You prefer a certain amount of change and variety and become dissatisfied when hemmed in by restrictions and limitations. You also pride yourself as an independent thinker; and do not accept others' statements without satisfactory proof. But you have found it unwise to be too frank in revealing yourself to others. At times you are extroverted, affable, and sociable, while at other times you are introverted, wary, and reserved. Some of your aspirations tend to be rather unrealistic.

Forer gave a personality test to his students, ignored their answers, and gave each student the above evaluation. He asked them to evaluate the evaluation from 0 to 5, with "5" meaning the recipient felt the evaluation was an "excellent" assessment and "4" meaning the assessment was "good." The class average evaluation was 4.26. That was in 1948. The test has been repeated hundreds of time with psychology students and the average is still around 4.2 out of 5, or 84% accurate.
In short, Forer convinced people he could successfully read their character. His accuracy amazed his subjects, though his personality analysis was taken from a newsstand astrology column and was presented to people without regard to their sun sign. The Forer effect seems to explain, in part at least, why so many people think that pseudosciences "work". Astrology, astrotherapy, biorhythms, cartomancy, chiromancy, the enneagram, fortune telling, graphology,rumpology, etc., seem to work because they seem to provide accurate personality analyses. Scientific studies of these pseudosciences demonstrate that they are not valid personality assessment tools, yet each has many satisfied customers who are convinced they are accurate.
The most common explanations given to account for the Forer effect are in terms of hope, wishful thinking, vanity and the tendency to try to make sense out of experience, though Forer's own explanation was in terms of human gullibility. People tend to accept claims about themselves in proportion to their desire that the claims be true rather than in proportion to the empirical accuracy of the claims as measured by some non-subjective standard. We tend to accept questionable, even false statements about ourselves, if we deem them positive or flattering enough. We will often give very liberal interpretations to vague or inconsistent claims about ourselves in order to make sense out of the claims. Subjects who seek counseling from psychics, mediums, fortune tellers, mind readers, graphologists, etc., will often ignore false or questionable claims and, in many cases, by their own words or actions, will provide most of the information they erroneously attribute to a pseudoscientific counselor. Many such subjects often feel their counselors have provided them with profound and personal information. Such subjective validation, however, is of little scientific value.
Psychologist Barry Beyerstein believes that "hope and uncertainty evoke powerful psychological processes that keep all occult and pseudoscientific character readers in business." We are constantly trying "to make sense out of the barrage of disconnected information we face daily" and "we become so good at filling in to make a reasonable scenario out of disjointed input that we sometimes make sense out of nonsense." We will often fill in the blanks and provide a coherent picture of what we hear and see, even though a careful examination of the evidence would reveal that the data is vague, confusing, obscure, inconsistent and even unintelligible. Psychic mediums, for example, will often ask so many disconnected and ambiguous questions in rapid succession that they give the impression of having access to personal knowledge about their subjects. In fact, the psychic need not have any insights into the subject's personal life; for, the subject will willingly and unknowingly provide all the associations and validations needed. Psychics are aided in this process by using cold reading techniques.
David Marks and Richard Kamman argue that

once a belief or expectation is found, especially one that resolves uncomfortable uncertainty, it biases the observer to notice new information that confirms the belief, and to discount evidence to the contrary. This self-perpetuating mechanism consolidates the original error and builds up an overconfidence in which the arguments of opponents are seen as too fragmentary to undo the adopted belief. Having a pseudoscientific counselor go over a character assessment with a client is wrought with snares that can easily lead the most well intentioned of persons into error and delusion.
Barry Beyerstein suggests the following test to determine whether the apparent validity of the pseudosciences mentioned above might not be due to the Forer effect, confirmation bias, or other psychological factors. (Note: the proposed test also uses subjective or personal validation and is not intended to test the accuracy of any personality assessment tool, but rather is intended to counteract the tendency to self-deception about such matters.)

...a proper test would first have readings done for a large number of clients and then remove the names from the profiles (coding them so they could later be matched to their rightful owners). After all clients had read all of the anonymous personality sketches, each would be asked to pick the one that described him or her best. If the reader has actually included enough uniquely pertinent material, members of the group, on average, should be able to exceed chance in choosing their own from the pile. Beyerstein notes that "no occult or pseudoscientific character reading method...has successfully passed such a test."
The Forer effect, however, only partially explains why so many people accept as accurate occult and pseudoscientific character assessment procedures. Cold reading, communal reinforcement, and selective thinking also underlie these delusions. Also, it should be admitted that while many of the assessment claims in a pseudoscientific reading are vague and general, some are specific. Some of those that are specific actually apply to large numbers of people and some, by chance, will be accurate descriptions of a select few. A certain number of specific assessment claims should be expected by chance.
There have been numerous studies done on the Forer effect. Dickson and Kelly have examined many of these studies and concluded that overall there is significant support for the general claim that Forer profiles are generally perceived to be accurate by subjects in the studies. Furthermore, there is an increased acceptance of the profile if it is labeled "for you". Favorable assessments are "more readily accepted as accurate descriptions of subjects' personalities than unfavorable" ones. But unfavorable claims are "more readily accepted when delivered by people with high perceived status than low perceived status." It has also been found that subjects can generally distinguish between statements that are accurate (but would be so for large numbers of people) and those that are unique (accurate for them but not applicable to most people). There is also some evidence that personality variables such as neuroticism, need for approval, and authoritarianism are positively related to belief in Forer-like profiles. Unfortunately, most Forer studies have been done only on college students.
See also Barnum effect, cold reading, confirmation bias, Myers-Briggs Type Indicator, selective thinking, self-deception, subjective validation, and wishful thinking.

[Milosh]

Heh, i meni je palo na pamet da pomenem Forerov efekat (a pogotovo posle nedavnog teksta na Crackedu gde se pominje), ali rekoh da ne smaram Trumana...

[scallop]

Nije to isto. Silva je 85% tačna.

[Ghoul]

goran stevanović, 39 godina, niš

trumane, ne daj se omesti ovim zlikovcima i njihovim dosadnim TL;DR postovima - daj pročitaj ovog!

[Truman]

nizi, farmerke, kosulja uvucena u farmerke i zasukani rukavi. Voli stripiove i crtanje. Voli pornografiju. Voli pudlice. Voli trudnice. Sebican kad je novac u pitanju ( iako mislim da ne oskudeva ), tvrdoglav. Primam informaciju da je horor, uzas ( valjda kao covek...ne znam uvek sta znaci ti sto primim ). Zdravstveni problemi s krajnicima i neodrzavanjem zuba.

[Ghoul]

baš šteta, ali zaista, osim ovoga za pornografiju (što nećeš omašiti ma za kog srbina da kažeš) sve ostalo je pogrešno...

visok skoro 2m, krupan, horor ga skoro nimalo ne zanima - a inače je divan, blag meda od čoveka (ne na onaj neotesani bosanski međed način!), nikad nije imao zdr. problema od sorte koju pominješ. itd. 

[Meho Krljic]

Nejasnoviđenje... daleko je ipak Niš...

[Джон Рейнольдс]

Да, Трумане, како то иде с раздаљином? Рецимо, Минг Џонг из Пекинга, стар 54 године. Шта онда видиш? Ем далеко, ем сви ти Кинези исти и имају слична имена...

[tomat]

... i svi liče jedni na druge.

[Truman]

Да, Трумане, како то иде с раздаљином? Рецимо, Минг Џонг из Пекинга, стар 54 године. Шта онда видиш? Ем далеко, ем сви ти Кинези исти и имају слична имена...

To je nebitno, kad zaista udjes u polje Akase . Radio sam jasnovidjenje za neke ljude iz Nemacke...A sto se tice izgleda Kineza pa onda ne bi umeo da ih opisem fizicki, al to nema nikakve veze sa Silvom.

Dajte jos podataka...

[Alexdelarge]

ČITANJE AURE ZA POČETNIKE - RAZVIJTE SVOJU SPIRITUALNU SVEST DA BISTE BILI ZDRAVI I USPEŠNI
Ričard Vebster

Žanrovi: Ezoterija
Izdavač: Leo Commerce
Broj strana: 161
Pismo: Latinica
Povez: Mek
Format: 15x23 cm
Godina izdanja: 2015

654.50 din

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[Truman]

Zanimljivo, znaš li u kojim knjižarama ima da se nađe?

[džin tonik]

ma pise "za pocetnike", jbs to.

[Truman]

Možda si ti napredan, al ja sam početnik!

[džin tonik]

sad, nije da se hvalim... ali, vidis da to neki prevarant. navodi kako aura fizicka manifestacija duse. duse? jedne? pa veci je muljator od crkve, tapka u mraku...

[Truman]

Ajme me zosko. Nisi ti za duhovni rad...a ja mislio ozbiljan čovek.