Ilegalni migranti, izbeglice i tako ti

[Ghoul]

što ne okačiš i slike iz hladnjače, kad si već krenuo ovim putem?

[Meho Krljic]

Ovde ima lepših slika, pa kliknite da ih vidite.

Migrant crisis: A reminder of Britain's long history of welcoming refugees [Photo report]

Europe is in the grips of its biggest movement of people since the Second World War. European leaders tend to refer to the situation as a migrant crisis, rather than a refugee crisis. Legally, there is a crucial distinction. The UN refugee agency says it boils down to whether the person is being pushed or pulled: a migrant is someone who voluntarily moves to another country, and intends to live for at least a year there; a refugee is someone who flees persecution, conflict or war.

UN officials say a vast majority of the 137,000 people who crossed the Mediterranean into Europe in the first half of the year were refugees fleeing war, conflict or persecution in countries including Syria, Afghanistan and Eritrea.

British Prime Minister David Cameron talked about "a swarm of people coming across the Mediterranean seeking a better life, wanting to come to Britain because Britain has got jobs, it's got a growing economy, it's an incredible place to live". His choice of words was widely criticised by human rights advocates as offensive and misleading. Anna Musgrave, Advocacy Manager at Refugee Council, said: "It's incumbent on the Prime Minister to show leadership, to use responsible language, to remember we're a country with a proud tradition of protecting refugees and upholding human rights."

In this gallery, IBTimesUK looks at Britain's history of welcoming refugees, from the approximately 100,000 Jews who moved to Britain during the Second World War, to the tens of thousands of Asians who made their homes in Britain after they were expelled from Uganda by Idi Amin.

About 3,000 people live in makeshift encampments in Calais in northern France, with many trying each night to jump onto trucks or trains heading to Britain, or even walk to the UK through the 31-mile tunnel.

Britain is spending millions of pounds on improved fencing, CCTV and other security equipment to protect the tunnel.

Britain gained almost 330,000 people through migration in the last year. It's the highest figure on record and a headache for the Conservative government amid a political storm about immigration.

Rising immigration has fuelled support for the UK Independence Party (Ukip) which wants to sever ties with the EU and impose much tighter entry rules. "These figures reflect Borderless Britain and total impotence of the British government," Nigel Farage said, calling for Cameron to negotiate tighter border controls with the EU.

Yet academic research points to a positive impact from immigration for developed economies. The Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development estimates that migrants accounted for 70% of the increase in Europe's workforce in the 10 years to 2014. European employers say they need more foreign workers to fill a range of jobs from highly-skilled positions to lower-paid menial positions that native Europeans no longer want to take.

Researchers also say immigrants contribute more in taxes than they take in state benefits in the UK. A study by University College London found immigrants to Britain represented a net positive for the public accounts and brought with them qualifications that would have cost nearly £7bn pounds in education funding. Furthermore, immigrants were less likely to claim benefits than native Britons.

[Meho Krljic]

Germany just did something huge for Syrian refugees — and for the future of Europe

German Chancellor Angela Merkel did something really good this week: Her country will now allow Syrian refugees, who normally would be deported back to wherever they first entered the European Union, to stay and apply for asylum. Thousands of Syrians who would have otherwise faced uncertainty in Europe can now begin the process of rebuilding their lives in Germany.

Germany, with the stroke of a pen, has just given an awful lot of Syrian families the chance to start a new life. But this is even more important than that: In addition to being a blessing for these Syrians, it is also a gift to Europe. Migration has become a crisis so great for Europe that, earlier this month, Merkel called it an even bigger challenge for the EU than the Greek debt crisis. She is now leading by example, showing Europe what it must do to overcome that crisis.
Migration has become a crisis for migrants and for EuropeThe policy change couldn't be more necessary. The EU is facing its largest refugee crisis since World War II, and the human cost has already been devastating. Just on Thursday, two boats filled with would-be migrants sank off the coast of Libya, leaving hundreds feared dead, and a semi truck filled with dozens of decomposing corpses, including young children, was found by the side of a highway in Austria. Far from all of these migrants are Syrian, but Syrians, driven to flee by their country's civil war, are the largest group by nationality.

But rather than address that human devastation directly, EU countries have for the most part sought to avoid taking any responsibility for it at all. When refugees arrive, EU rules leave them and other migrants trapped in their first countries of arrival until their asylum claims have been processed. For many, that means being marooned in Italy or Greece, which are facing full-scale humanitarian crises as refugee numbers overwhelm the available housing and supplies.

According to Human Rights Watch, for instance, the Greek reception centers where arriving refugees are held lack sufficient food and health care, and are so severely unsanitary and chronically overcrowded that the conditions in them may amount to cruel, inhuman, and degrading treatment under international law.

Under EU rules, if any of these migrants make their way into Germany, then Germany is supposed to deport them back to their EU country of first arrival. But now, with this change, Syrians can stay in Germany to apply for asylum there. That's a big deal, and could help thousands of the world's most vulnerable people stay safe from persecution, and from squalid camps in Greece or Italy. Merkel and her government deserve credit for making this important change, particularly at a time when asylum policy is an increasingly volatile political issue in Germany.

Perhaps just as important, this is also a step toward addressing one of the most serious political problems facing the EU: how to fairly share responsibility for the migrant crisis.
The new policy will help vulnerable people find safety and stability more quicklyUnder an EU rule called the Dublin Regulation, refugees are supposed to stay in the first European country they arrive in until their asylum claims are processed. In theory, this rule is a way to prevent applicants from "orbiting" the EU by filing application after application in different countries until one of them finally gets approved. But in practice, it's a rule that has trapped thousands of refugees in Greece and Italy, simply because those countries are the easiest ones to reach by boat across the Mediterranean. And it also has allowed the rest of the EU to push the burden of handling those refugees onto these two countries.

Greece and Italy, understandably, do not think that's fair. In June, Italian President Matteo Renzi threatened that if the EU did not offer more help, Italy might issue visas to undocumented migrants en masse, allowing them to travel to other European countries. This week, Merkel and French President François Hollande convened a summit in Berlin to find a fairer, EU-wide solution to the crisis. This crisis, after all, is not just a problem for Italy and Greece: The lack of an EU-wide solution to the migrant crisis threatens the open borders that are a core mission and purpose of the EU.

But so far, other EU countries have been distinctly unwilling to share responsibility for the crisis. They're not helping because, quite simply, they don't want to and they don't have to. But their obstinance is not really how the EU is supposed to work, and Renzi's threat gets to the heart of that contradiction.

Germany's rule change helps to undo that contradiction just a little by taking on a fairer share of the refugee burden. In addition to being good for the refugees, and for Italy and Greece, this is also good for the EU as a whole, by making the burden of immigration a little more bearable, and thus the European project more sustainable.

But this in itself is not enough to resolve the crisis for migrants in Europe or for Europe itself. Not even close.
The rest of Europe needs to follow Germany's leadWhat we should hope for is that Germany's reprieve for migrants will set an example, and become one of many steps in Europe toward a fairer system for refugees.

In the absence of a unified solution to the migrant crisis, individual countries across the EU are adopting individual solutions. These are primarily focused on keeping migrants out, and include countries quietly reimposing border controls — against the open-borders spirit of the EU — to prevent refugees from entering their territory.

That's not illegal — they're not changing Schengen visa requirements, just increasing enforcement of the existing rules — but it is a step away from the ideal of an open, unified EU. And it's easy to see how the restrictions could become stricter in the future if the EU can't arrive at a unified solution to the crisis.

Germany's suspension of Dublin processing for Syrians won't be enough to solve that problem on its own. And of course Germany shouldn't be expected to solve the EU migrant crisis by itself any more than Greece or Italy should. But by voluntarily accepting more responsibility for Syrian refugees, Germany has reduced the pressure on other EU countries, and perhaps made an eventual solution that much easier to reach.

By taking that step unilaterally, Germany has distinguished itself from the "no more than the absolute bare minimum, and actually maybe not even that" approach that countries like the UK are pursuing. It's leading by example. Here's hoping other countries will follow.

[Stipan]

što ne okačiš i slike iz hladnjače, kad si već krenuo ovim putem?

Nema potrebe. Ionako ćete laprdati o zaverama i sporazumima protiv gostoljubive i humane Srbije.

[Meho Krljic]

On a lajter nout:
A Drunk Serb Among the Middle Eastern Refugees

Ivan Tovic is a morning person. He's singing, laughing, playing with children; he's a burst of optimism in the relentless boredom of this park-slash-refugee camp near Belgrade's central bus station.

But there's one issue: Ivan has had at least six cans of Staropramen beer. It's 9:30 a.m.

Another problem: Islam, the dominant religion among the Syrian refugees congregated here, forbids alcohol and takes a dim view of those who drink it.

Yet Mr. Tovic is tolerated here, perhaps even welcomed. He bends down to greet an elderly Afghan couple with what seems like sincere deference, even kissing the sun-weathered hand of the wife. He lends his bicycle to a lanky Syrian boy to take for a spin around the park.

"Look, I'm a drunk, but I drink because I feel bad about all that is happening here," he says in a rare moment of sadness. Then his face breaks into a huge grin to greet Mohammad, a 5-year-old boy playing beside him.

Mohammad's mother, Yasmine, takes the opportunity to rest. But she suddenly becomes wary when someone tells her Ivan is "sakraan," or drunk.

"Really? Maybe we should move away," she says as she scans the park for another location.

But she stays. Mr. Tovic and Mohammad play on.

Ovo je deo Njujork Tajmzovog mikroizveštavanja o migrantima u Srbiji i Beogradu:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/projects/cp/reporters-notebook/migrants/serbia-belgrade

[Stipan]

Ma da... A Drunk Serb Among the Middle Eastern Refugees...Naša posla...
U tu čast opet isti spot:

http://youtu.be/j9RPYK0xDwY

[Father Jape]

EDIT: Ups, Mehmet već postavio link.

[Ghoul]

slepac NIJE OČEKIVO.
slepac je IZNENAĐEN.
KRIZA će biti veća.
wow!

Vučić: Pred nama veća kriza nego što smo očekivali

Premijer Aleksandar Vučić rekao je da će uvedena granična kontrola Austrije radi zaustavljanja talasa migranata, nedvosmisleno pogoditi i Srbiju.

"Očigledno je da ćemo da se suočimo sa većom krizom, nego što smo očekivali. Očekujemo jedinstveni odgovor, a ne partikularni, koje pojedine zemlje daju", istakao je on odgovarajući na pitanje Tanjuga da li će, nakon mađarskog zida, odluka Austrije da uvede kontrole na svojim istočnim međama pogoditi Srbiju.

slepac se NADA.
slepac OČEKUJE.
slepac VERUJE...

[Mme Chauchat]

Pa koliko sam puta molila da se ne kače, posebno ne bez upozorenja, slike leševa i pogotovu ne mrtve dece? Kad ste i gde videli da je to prihvatljivo? Da li ste vi normalni? Koji vam je kurac?

[Dybuk]

Pa koliko sam puta molila da se ne kače, posebno ne bez upozorenja, slike leševa i pogotovu ne mrtve dece? Kad ste i gde videli da je to prihvatljivo? Da li ste vi normalni? Koji vam je kurac?

+1

[Meho Krljic]

 A look at what migrants are carrying with them to Europe

ROSZKE, Hungary (AP) — To survive days on end of walking and improvised camping in harsh weather, they must concentrate on essentials: pain medicine, foot powder and first aid, food and personal hygiene items. The savviest have smartphones with backup battery power and SIM cards that work in the countries they're passing through. Otherwise, they can end up walking in circles without satellite navigation, particularly at night, when many travel to avoid police. The tens of thousands of migrants who spend weeks on foot, vehicle and boat traveling to Europe to escape war, persecution and poverty must weigh carefully what they carry with them in their backpacks. Men typically carry the tents and sleeping bags, while women hold infants in slings or carriers.
Although most have left personal effects behind with relatives and hope to retrieve them later, some also manage to bring a bit of themselves on the road. The Associated Press asked trekkers crossing the border from Serbia to Hungary recently to share what they were carrying — and what they treasure the most.
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WAFAA BUKAI, 25, student
Waiting with her brother at a Serbian camp for migrants before the border crossing, Bukai shows a visitor sentimental objects and images from her past in Damascus, Syria. She explains that she left virtually everything behind with relatives, but requires a few emotional touchstones to keep memories alive.

"My homeland is destroyed and not safe," Bukai says. "I left everything: my home, my clothes, my friends, my family."
Unlike many trekkers, who carry precious photos only electronically on a phone, Bukai thumbs through her album of childhood images, including herself in school uniform and trips with family to the beach.
Perhaps her most prized trinket, while of no monetary value, transports her mind to the vibrant heart of old Damascus, the sprawling Al-Hamidiyah Souq inside the walled inner core of the Syrian capital. It's a simple cowrie shell, purchased as a youth in the market beside the medieval Citadel of Damascus.
"I remember Damascus everywhere, every town I go to," she says, thumbing the seashell in her hand.

MOHAMMAD AL-ABDALLAH, 36, architectural engineer
"I would never go anywhere without my Quran," says the Baghdad resident, who has spent three weeks traveling with his 17-year-old son, Bashar, from Iraq to the Hungary border via Turkey, Greece and the Balkans. "I pray five times every day. I read by the moonlight."
He opens his backpack and pulls out his palm-sized edition of the Muslim holy book. Its cover is frayed and it is wrinkled from water damage from overnight rains. Some pages stick together and threaten to tear, but al-Abdallah opens the book gingerly and recites a favorite passage to his son.
Bashar tells his father that is too slow. He pulls out his smartphone, launches his Quran app, and finds the same passage in seconds. "My pages never tear," he says.
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MEKDAD MAREY, 25, computer graphics designer
The native of Damascus has spent two weeks traveling from a refugee camp in Turkey to the border of Hungary in hopes of making it to Germany. For Marey, Germany doesn't represent merely the strongest economy in Europe; it's also where he thinks his health challenges might be solved.
In his unusually small bag, he carries a wide range of painkillers and, most importantly, a neck brace. He attributes his chronic back pain, including a slipped disc, to long hours at a desk while studying in Egypt and working in Turkey.
"Turkey is good, but the money is little, and I need more money to fix my problems," he says, donning his neck brace, which he uses mostly when trying to sleep in his group's overcrowded pup tent. "I am hoping that medicine is better in Germany, the doctors are better, and they can help me."
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HUSSEIN AL-SHAMALI, 20, student
In his backpack, the university student from the northern Syrian city of Idlib carries what he hopes is the key to his future: the records of his learning.
Al-Shamali carefully unwraps the plastic waterproofing that he uses to protect his old school ID, his academic transcript and the second-level certificate he earned in science. He hopes that, when he reaches Germany, the university system there will recognize his three years' study of civil engineering and permit him to pursue a postgraduate degree in medicine.
"I really do not know what they will think of my school work. I hope it will be enough," he says, gesturing to the multipage, neatly folded transcript in Arabic.
He says he deeply regrets how Syria's civil war prematurely ended his education, and he hopes one day to return as a doctor. But he says family members who funded his journey from Turkey to Hungary via Greece and the Balkans first expect him to send money back home from Germany. So he imagines that would mean, if the German system permits, an education and a first job in a hospital there.

"Many people have spent thousands of dollars on me, to get me this far," he says, covered in sweat as he walks past two simple posts marking the Serbia-Hungary border. "I have to give back. It is expected of me."
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BEHAT YASIN, 45, shepherd
The Kurd, who has lived in Syria and Iraq while following his flocks of sheep, says he was fortunate to flee west ahead of the threat from the Islamic State. "Many of my friends, I am sure, are dead," says Yasin, who unlike many travelers has no smartphone or social media skills to keep in touch with home.
He does have his shepherd's tool with him: a long, bone-colored cane that he once used to tap the rear ends of his sheep. Now he uses it simply to keep himself upright, seven hours into his walk across the border from Serbia to Hungary.
"Now I am the sheep. I just follow the others. I must go faster now," he says in broken German, gesturing ahead to a large group of mostly teenage Kurds he has followed since Turkey.
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MOHAMMAD ZAMANI, 26, high school math teacher
Zamani had a bag full of belongings when he left his home in Shiraz, Iran, nearly a month ago: clothes, toiletries, a gold chain, a watch.
The bag is gone now. While being smuggled with about 40 others by vehicle through Turkey, he says the driver suddenly stopped when confronted by police and ordered everyone out. He then drove off with many of his clients' bags, including Zamani's.

"I've had only these same clothes for three weeks. It's terrible," Zamani says, wearing a collared blue shirt, white undershirt and stonewashed blue jeans. He arrived Sunday in Hungary as part of a larger group of Iranians, including couples with young children.
They all had crawled under razor wire at Hungary's border and evaded police that morning. Exhausted from an August heat wave, they allowed themselves to be caught and processed as asylum seekers, even though none wants to stay in Hungary. Zamani says he hopes to teach in Belgium.
He still has his most prized possession, on his finger: a ring of silver and black stone that his older brother, Mojtaba, gave him for his 25th birthday.
"My brother is dead now," Zamani explains. "He died last year in a car accident. I have no other brothers or sisters. This ring is most precious to me."

[Stipan]

Pa koliko sam puta molila da se ne kače, posebno ne bez upozorenja, slike leševa i pogotovu ne mrtve dece? Kad ste i gde videli da je to prihvatljivo? Da li ste vi normalni? Koji vam je kurac?

Šta? Oni su mrtvi? Sa onolikim parama koje su dobili da provale u Srbiju? NEMOGUĆE!

[Ghoul]

Pa koliko sam puta molila da se ne kače, posebno ne bez upozorenja, slike leševa i pogotovu ne mrtve dece? Kad ste i gde videli da je to prihvatljivo? Da li ste vi normalni? Koji vam je kurac?

Šta? Oni su mrtvi? Sa onolikim parama koje su dobili da provale u Srbiju? NEMOGUĆE!

izrazito si i napadno GLUP.
i drzak.

em je neukusno i kretenski što kačiš takve slike ovde,
em - sve i da je tako nešto prihvatljivo - to je skroz promašeno čak i kao 'argument' za to što pokušavaš (valjda) da kažeš.

[Ghoul]

bolje da si okačio ovako nešto - dokaz kako azilatni razaraju domaću ekonomiju:

PROSTITUTKE IZ BG PARKA:
Migranti nam rasterali mušterije, još koji dan i nećemo imati šta da jedemo

DRUŠTVO, 02.09.2015.
 
BEOGRAD - Da bar ovi azilanti žele da koriste naše usluge, pa u redu, nadoknadile bismo gubitak, međutim, nema od toga ništa. Oni neće ni da nas pogledaju - rekla je jedna od prodavačica ljubavi.

Prostitutke koje decenijama čekaju svoje mušterije u parku kod glavne autobuske stanice u Beogradu kažu da su im migranti rasterali sve klijente.

– Otkako su ovi Arapi počeli da dolaze i naseljavaju se sa porodicima ovde, mi smo proterane iz parka u kom smo decenijama nesmetano radile. Zauzeli su sve klupe i po celom parku raširili svoje šatore. Stare mušterije ne svraćaju više, a mi samo uzalud stojimo ovde na kraju parka, ne radeći ništa. Ako ova nevolja potraje još koji dan, mi nećemo imati šta da jedemo – rekla je Maja (40) koja u ovom parku radi već 14 godina, kaže za Naše novine.

Njena druga koleginica kaže da su se sve mušterije verovatno prebacile na Plavi most.
– Da bar ovi azilanti žele da koriste naše usluge, pa u redu, nadoknadile bismo gubitak, međutim, nema od toga ništa. Oni neće ni da nas pogledaju, a mislim da odlično znaju čime se bavimo.

http://www.kurir.rs/vesti/drustvo/prostitutke-iz-bg-parka-migranti-nam-rasterali-musterije-jos-koji-dan-i-necemo-imati-sta-da-jedemo-clanak-1915827

[Stipan]

Volim da vidim tvoje postove. Dokaz da nisu baš svi omlitaveli.

[Васа С. Тајчић]

bolje da si okačio ovako nešto - dokaz kako azilatni razaraju domaću ekonomiju:

Иако је Доктор хтео да буде ироничан, чињеница је да приход од илегалних активности улази у прорачун БДП-а.

[Stipan]

Ironičan? Ma on i ne zna šta ta reč znači.

Ajde da si rekao da je drzak, ili izrazito i napadno glup, da se ponaša neukusno i kretenski ili nešto slično pa i da pomislim da si osetio njegovu tamnu i nepovratno izgubljenu dušu....

[Ghoul]

Ironičan? Ma on i ne zna šta ta reč znači.

Ajde da si rekao da je drzak, ili izrazito i napadno glup, da se ponaša neukusno i kretenski ili nešto slično pa i da pomislim da si osetio njegovu tamnu i nepovratno izgubljenu dušu....

there, there...

bolje bi ti bilo da poslušaš šta ti govore pametniji i kulturniji (i za ironiju verziraniji) od tebe, umešto izigravaš pasivno-agresivnu drama-queen (iako ti to dobro pristaje, pokušaj da to prevaziđeš, da pokažeš da umeš bolje; ili, ako ne umeš - bar ćuti, ne ukopavaj se dublje).

[Albedo 0]

elem, ko hoće migrantima što prije da vidi leđa tome slike i treba puštati dok je vezan, s mehanički otvorenim kapcima, kao u Kubrikovoj Narandži, do mučnine and beyond

a za ostale će Stipan da se izvini, to bi bilo ok

[Stipan]

Će Stipan da se izvine na kukovo leto....

[Albedo 0]

ajde, Stipe, možeš ti to!

[Meho Krljic]

 Migrant child's body on beach shocks Europe

[Stipan]

Pa kad je šokiralo otvrdle duše Sagitaša, gde neće priglupe evropljane...

[tomat]

......ja se od starta pitao sto ne idu tamo, kuci, u Meku i Medinu u Saudijsku Arabiju,Abudabi Dubai,,,,tamo lepo, toplo, ima automobila prekrivenih dijamantima....Seici, nafta, zlato, Islam, Muslimanija,,,,maaaa sve bre za njih, raj na zemlji....
...otkud da to oni bas svima srce u Nemackoj!?!?! Svi vole pivo, kobasice i rammstein?!?....
....nisam ja neki teoreticar zavere, ali ovo mi isto ko Aljbanini....dodjemo sas zene i krenemo da se kotimo i mnozimo!
za dvajs' godine,Dojcland Republjik!

Ne znam da li su Liban, Turska, Jordan tamo, ali eto, idu i tamo. Prema nekim procenama, u Libanu ima oko 1,5 miliona izbeglica iz Sirije. Za Tursku kažu 1,2 miliona.

[Meho Krljic]

Gotovo dva miliona u Turskoj, actually. U Libanu više od milion i sto, ali su prestali da ih registruju pre četiri meseca. Još milion u Iraku i Jordanu.







Ja ponavljam, ovi koje vidimo u Evropi su samo oni koji su imali više para pa su ih iskoristili da se dobace dalje. Većina ovih koji sede po Turskoj, Iraku, Libanu itd. su siromašniji i kada i kreću na put, čine to peške. Očekujmo ih naredne godine.

[mac]

Izbegavajte naslovnu stranu Politike danas, ako ne želite da gledate ono što ste ovde već videli.

[Filaret]

Ima ponešto i na unutrašnjim stranama Politike.


http://www.politika.rs/pogledi/Muharem-Bazdulj/Politika-sentimentalnosti.sr.html

[Anomander Rejk]

Demokratija cveta u EU, sloboda kretanja, otvorene granice i sl:
http://www.blic.rs/Vesti/Svet/587856/BEZ-MILOSTI-Otac-i-majka-s-bebom-legli-na-sine-na-njih-skocilo-12-MADjARSKIH-SPECIJALACA

[Father Jape]

Htedoh spomenuti kako me je prošlog septembra, dakle pre 11 meseci, šokiralo kad sam slušajući BBC radio vesti u profesonalne svrhe čuo ovo:

"New figures suggest the number of migrants who've died trying to cross the Mediterranean from North Africa this year is already more than double the previously recorded high from twenty eleven. The International Organization for Migration says more than three thousand people died trying to reach Europe in the past nine months, including five hundred who drowned off Malta three weeks ago."

[Albedo 0]

bre i 1999. su bježali iz SRJ i davili se u Jadranu

[Father Jape]

http://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/faktencheck-zur-einwanderung-zahlen-gegen-vorurteile-1.2613913-8

[Albedo 0]

čudno mi to zvuči, budući da sam nailazio na tri puta veću brojku, i to za prvu trećinu 2015. godine, ili bar do juna da je došlo 300 hiljada... 120 je samo preko Srbije, nemoguće da nisu išli preko drugih zemalja

[Father Jape]

Brojke su sigurno zastarele, ali pitanje je da li je odnos bitno drukčiji.

[Albedo 0]

Odnos da, to je i Meho već spominjao, možda naredne godine nalete i ostali, no Evropljani već histerišu

ipak, ovo što se u Mađarskoj dešava ima veze i s tim što svi moraju biti registrovani, da bi mogli da krenu ka Austriji, Njemačkoj itd... a ovi odbijaju

tako da ni migranti ne poštuju proceduru i dešavaju se još veća sranja

svakako ih ne mogu zaustaviti, to je smiješno i da pokušavaju

[Meho Krljic]

 Macedonia, Serbia, Hungary, Austria Sign Agreement on Migrants

OHRID, MACEDONIA— Amid chaotic scenes at border crossings and train stations throughout Europe, Macedonia, Serbia, Hungary and Austria have signed an agreement to adopt a common approach in dealing with the migrant and refugee crisis in their countries, and to work together to tackle the growing humanitarian challenges.
The memorandum of understanding was signed Friday in the city of Ohrid, Macedonia by the interior ministers of Macedonia, Serbia and Austria, and the deputy interior minister of Hungary.
"We underlined here that global migration issues cannot be addressed by fragmented solutions," said Macedonian Interior Minister Mitko Cavkov. "The document we signed represents a platform for our joint activities that will be specified at the upcoming meeting of EU interior ministers."
 
Austrian Interior Minister Johanna Mikl-Leitner added that a common approach to the refugee crisis will yield a comprehensive solution that will deal not only with the crisis on the borders of the four countries, but also with the issue of adequate funding and humanitarian aid, as well as the need to crack down on human traffickers and organized crime that have been exploiting the crisis. 
Meanwhile, hundreds of refugees in Hungary remain locked in a stalemate with authorities after being denied permission to travel onward to Germany.
Hungary shut its main border crossing with Serbia after some 300 migrants escaped from a camp in the town of Roszke, prompting a police search operation.
Hungary's deputy interior minister, Kristine Berta, said "the problem with migrants is not a problem for just a few countries, but all over Europe and other countries."
Serbian Interior Minister Nebojsa Stefanovic agreed, noting that since the start of the year, more than 120,000 people have expressed their intention to seek asylum in Serbia. Most of them, he said, wanted to move on to western Europe.
"Serbia will be a good host to all refugees and will actively work to find better ways to help them, but others need to share the burden," Stefanovic said.  "Europe has to demonstrate its values."
Earlier Friday, the United Nations called on EU countries to accept up to 200,000 refugees as part of a "common strategy" to replace their "piecemeal" approach to the migrant and refugee crisis.
The head of the U.N. refugee agency, Antonio Guterres, said the refugee crisis was "a defining moment for the European Union" and called on EU member states to "mobilize full force around this crisis."
 

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Evo i malo konspirologije.


Мигрантска криза је део специјалне операције које спроводе две империјалне силе (вероватно) независно једна од друге, са циљем трајне пацификације Блиског истока и обезбеђења сигурности извора и коридора за транспорт нафте и гаса.



http://prevrat.com/2015/09/05/%D0%B4%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2-%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2-%D1%87%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%98%D1%82%D0%B5-%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B2%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%82/

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konspirolog do moga, u Siriji je jedina ruska vojna baza u Mediteranu, dakle Sirija je isti đavo kao i Ukrajina, zato je i sjebana

[Mme Chauchat]

Nemam pojma ko je ovaj čovek, ali tekst je ubo usred srede:
http://www.portalnovosti.com/sto-s-fotografijom-mrtvog-djeteta

[Stipan]

Jebivetri čiste teren za Veliki Izrael. Stvaranje novog Jevrejskog Carstva je pitanje trenutka.

[Loni]

Demokratija cveta u EU, sloboda kretanja, otvorene granice i sl:
http://www.blic.rs/Vesti/Svet/587856/BEZ-MILOSTI-Otac-i-majka-s-bebom-legli-na-sine-na-njih-skocilo-12-MADjARSKIH-SPECIJALACA

Ha. Jedva si dočekao da svaku priliku iskoristiš da poentiraš kako je EU loša, grozna, fuj fuj fuj... iz čega proizilazi poruka - Braćo Srbi okrenimo se majčici Rusiji.

Elem kad smo već kod toga gde je izveštaj o tome koliko je Rusija primila migranata.
Veoma su umešani u rat u Siriji jer da Rusije nije, Asad bi odavno bio sklonjen. Njegove snage otvorile su vatru mnogo puta na delove zemlje koje kontroliše prozapadna opozicija dok je sam Putin priznao da se Rusija protiv ISIL-a još uvek ne bori (Za razliku od zapadnih saveznika koji non stop bombarduju ISIL položaje).

Elem, što se Mađarske, Slovačke ili Češke tiče oni su se zaista pokazali sramotno, ali ne zato što su Evropa već zato što nisu dovoljno Evropa.
Što ne gledamo u Nemačku ili Austriju gde su svakodnevni ručkovi za migrante i na stotine porodice se prijavilo da ih primi. Iz Beča u Budimpeštu neki kolima dolaze da spasu izbeglice.

Nemačka i Austrija stvarno imaju razloga da se zabrinu jer upravo kod njih dolaze za razliku od Mađarske ili Srbije gde su samo u tranzitu, pa opet nema masovnih protesta (Merkel je zabranila).
Pritom ni Nemačka ni Austrija nisu učestvovale ni u jednoj intervenciji u 21. veku. Ni u Iraku ni u Siriji ni u Libiji ni u Avganistanu.

[Anomander Rejk]

?Mađarska, Slovačka, Češka, odluči se jesu ili nisu Evropa?kad pominješ rast standarda i kako sad lepo žive onda jesu Evropa, a kad javno kažu da neće da prime Muslimane u svoju zemlju, onda nisu Evropa. Pa ne može tako, kad ti odgovara onda jesu Evropa, a kad da prostiš, kake, onda nisu Evropa. Žalim slučaj, ali one jesu članice EU. Znam da je građanistima teško prihvatiti, i da im predstavlja veliko razočarenje da u 2015.godini, lideri nekoliko evropskih zemalja otvoreno izjavljuju da u svojoj zemlji ne žele ljude te i te vere, da se njihova policija odnosi prema istima kao prema stoci, da se podižu zidovi,ali to je realnost. Maske su pale, buđenje je mnogima bolno, jer ruši sve ono što su verovali da Evropa navodno ujedinjena u EU sadrži...
Ovo za Asada i Rusiju..,,.Veoma su umešani u rat u Siriji jer da Rusije nije, Asad bi odavno bio sklonjen. '' Pa rat nije počela Rusija, već Zapad da bi sklonio Asada. Rezultat-opšti haos je mogao predvideti svako sa dva grama mozga, jer smo sve to već videli u Iraku, Libiji, Afganistanu itd.
ISIL je upravo i nastao i direktna je posledica pomenutih vojnih intervencija Zapada, nije ga stvorila Rusija, pa oni koji su doveli do njegovog stvaranja, neka ga sad i uništavaju.

[Loni]

Poljska, Češka i Slovačka jesu EU. Nema spora, ali nisu DOVOLJNO Evropa.
Režimi u tim zemljama su od 2004. kad su ušli u EU bili skoncentrisani uglavnom na ekonomski boljitak, koji jesu postigli i te kako.
  Međutim očigledno im za promenu uskogrude mentalne matrice treba više vremena.
  No doći će i to na red.

  Bez Asada dobrog broja izbeglica ne bi bilo.
  Što se tiče haosa... Pomenu li ti to Avganistan?
  Pa Avganistan beleži ove godine ekonomski rast od 6 %.
  Od pada talibana, da podsetim režima koji je zabranjivao školovanje ženske dece, demokratiju, koji je propisivao 5 godina robije za posedovanje knjiga iz nemuslimanske religije, koji je imao islamsku policiju i besio oko 10 000 mladih zbog odbijanja ugovorenog braka, Avganistan beleži smao ekonomske uspehe.
  S obzirom na ono šta su bili, ta zemlja ide vrlo jasno ka boljem.
  No naravno da se ne može mnogo napredovati kad počinješ od nule i maltene apsolutne gladi.
  Haos je tamo u padu. Razvalina nikada nije ni bilo u većoj meri jer su talibani ratovali u planinama. Ne u urbanim zonama.
  Upiši Avganistann economic growth i uverićeš se i sam.

 
  Libija je već drugi slulčaj. Oni su izdeljeni na plemena. Pleme koje je bilo marginalizovano tokom vladavine Gadafija koje dominira u Bengaziju sad se revanšira plemenu koje je bilo privilegovano tokom vladavine Gadafija čije je sedište u Tripoju. To je uglavnom razlog trenutnog haosa. Arapske države nemaju etničke granice već lenjirske i unutar njih su razne verske i etničke grupacije koje se bore za svoj prostor i vrlo dugo međusobno mrze.

   No opet da ponovim Nemačka, ekonomski lider EU (Srbija konkuriše za članicu EU ne za SAD) nije učestvovala ni u jednoj intervenciji niti je i zbog čega zaslužna, a ovih dana moralni je pobednik s već izgrađenim centrima za 11 000 izbeglica, a mnogi su tek u planu. http://www.b92.net/info/vesti/index.php?yyyy=2015&mm=09&dd=06&nav_category=78&nav_id=1035695

[Stipan]

Kako se ja sećam, nemački bombarderi su svojevremeno nadletali Srbiju zajedno sa Amerima...

[Loni]

Ja sam precizirao. Rekao sam tačno - 21. vek.

Ta intervencija iako je po meni bila opravdana i zaustavila dalje etničko čišćenje i rat koji bi trajao više godina, ipak je bila pre dosta godina i odluka učešća u njoj vezana je za sasvim drugu generaciju.

Nemački političari posle 2000. odlučili su da ni u jednoj intervenciji više ne učestvuju i to dosad, ma koliko to bilo dobro ili loše, poštuju.

[Stipan]

Ma da... To je bilo odlučeno i četrdesetpete kad su im Rusi ušli u Berlin....

[Anomander Rejk]

Kako je zaustavila etničko čišćenje, kada je posle 99e, više od 200 000 Srba oterano s Kosova?Zar se to ne zove etničko čišćenje?Prosto, nemaš argumenata.
Što se tiče Libije, ona je pre intervencije, za afričke uslove, bila stabilna zemlja dobrog standarda. Danas nemaš tamo samo dva plemena u sukobu, već više vojski, paravojski i milicija, plus ISIS. A raspitaj se malo šta se dešavalo sa naftom pre intervencije, i dugovima Zapada Gadafiju pre intervencije, pa će ti stvari biti jasnije.

[Ghoul]

VICKASTO!

Deliberately ignoring refugees to allow spread of Islam in West: Saudi official

"We are ignoring the issue as a strategic maneuver. If these refugees go and settle in the west then they will take the beacon of light i.e. Islam, with them," an official from the Saudi government said.

"What we are doing is waiting for them to set up camp so that they can show these infidel nations how to save themselves from kufr," he said. 

The current plan seems to be to let the refugees find homes in Europe and then wait to see what happens.

"We already have a lot of Muslims here... we don't need any more. We could give those white people some refuge if they wanted though," the official said and laughed.


"Even if we did let them in where would they live? It's all sand here. At least they've got water where they are right now," the official said and laughed again.

https://khabaristantimes.com/world/deliberately-ignoring-refugees-to-allow-spread-of-islam-in-west-saudi-official/

[Meho Krljic]

Germany: 'No Limit' To Refugees We'll Take In

Chancellor Angela Merkel has said there is no legal limit to the number of asylum seekers Germany will take in, with at least 800,000 expected this year alone.
Mrs Merkel was speaking as thousands of exhausted refugees were bussed from Hungary into Austria, with most thought to be en route to Germany.

German police said at least 2,000 people had arrived at Munich railway station so far, with up to 7,000 expected by nightfall.

The German Chancellor told the Funke consortium of newspapers: "The right to political asylum has no limits on the number of asylum seekers."

"As a strong, economically healthy country we have the strength to do what is necessary" and ensure every asylum seeker gets a fair hearing", she said.

Many of those making the perilous journey to Germany are  fleeing war and persecution in Syria, Iraq and Eritrea.

Germany is the EU's biggest recipient of refugees and economic migrants from southeastern Europe and has won praise around the world for its handling of the escalating crisis.

Germany saw a record 104,460 asylum seekers enter the country in August alone, with the total figure for the year expected to be four times greater than in 2014.

Many are attracted by its economic prosperity, comparatively liberal asylum laws and generous benefits system.

Mrs Merkel has insisted Berlin can cope with the record-breaking influx without raising taxes, or risking its goal of a balanced budget.

She said Germany's strong economic position meant it was able to cope with such "unexpected tasks" as presented by Europe's worst migration crisis since the Second World War.

Nevertheless, a number of German cities have been struggling to process newly arrived asylum seekers and to meet the demand for additional housing.

Mrs Merkel's governing coalition is due to meet on Sunday to agree a series of measures to ease the crisis, including cutting red tape to allow the construction of new asylum shelters, speeding up asylum procedures and increasing funds for federal states and towns.

She has also warned that those who arrive in Germany who don't meet its criteria for asylum will be returned to their home countries.

According to Germany's Der Spiegel magazine, Germany has deported over 10,000 foreigners this year, many of them from countries it deems safe such as Serbia, Macedonia and Bosnia-Herzegovina.

The head of the Federal Agency of Migration and Refugees, Manfred Schmidt, told the magazine almost all of the 75,000 asylum requests filed by migrants from western Balkan countries by the end of 2015 were likely to be rejected, allowing Germany to focus on the influx of refugees.

Germany is expected to widen the list of countries it deems safe to include Kosovo, Albania and Montenegro.

Germany has been held up as an example by many in Europe for its handling of the crisis.

It's been compared to Britain that has come under fire both at home and among other European nations, chief among them, Germany, over its earlier reluctance to accept more refugees.

Mrs Merkel has repeatedly emphasised the need for refugees to be distributed more equally across EU states.

"This should be possible, because Europe is based on common values, and help for those in need of protection is one of them," she said.

Hungary has hit out at Germany for declaring it would accept Syrian requests regardless of where they enter the EU.

Budapest says this policy has pushed up the influx of migrants and, as with some other central European states including the Czech Republic, Poland and Slovakia, is resisting calls from some western EU leaders for each nation to accept a quota of refugees.

Prime Minister David Cameron announced on Friday that the UK  would accept "thousands more" refugees from camps on the Syrian border, although he did not give a specific figure.

And he said Britain would provide an additional £100m in aid for Syrian refugees, bringing the total to more than £1bn.

[Loni]

  Anomander, kakve veze ima Nemačka s Gadafijem?
  Jesu li učestvovali u intervenciji? Nisu. Jasno i glasno odbili.

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