WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW?!

[Tex Murphy]

Very mature...  

[Ghoul]

Very mature... 

bolji sinonim je:
very adult!

[vilja]

zato što i ja njima šaljem svašta nešto, pa valjda osećaju potrebu da uzvrate sličnim?

Ako, lepo je to kad imaš tako dobre drugare...

[mac]

Jebo te bog Ghoule...

Zanimljiv izbor reči...

[vilja]

Mac, Mac samo si ti primetio?

[Ghoul]

Mac, Mac samo si ti primetio?

zar ti misliš da se tvoji postovi religiozno čitaju?

[vilja]

Uopšte ne. Ali od tebe sam očekivala da to primetiš.

[Son of Man]

Cekajte ljudi, jel ovo realno il zajebancija  ? 

[Ghoul]

Cekajte ljudi, jel ovo realno il zajebancija  ? 

sine, za tebe - cijena, prava sitnica!

[Ghoul]

Mom of decapitated baby: 'I didn't mean to do it'

SAN ANTONIO – A Texas mother accused of decapitating her 3-week-old son screams "I didn't mean to do it. He told me to!" while her sister pleads for an ambulance to bring help in a desperate four-minute 911 call released Wednesday.

Otty Sanchez, who police say told them the devil made her kill and mutilate her only child, cries "I love him" and says she's stabbed herself in the heart and stomach while her sister tries calming down the 33-year-old mother.

At one point during the frantic call, Priscilla Garcia tries reassuring her sister that she is alive. "Otty, this time I told you to come to me," Garcia says.

"I tried, but you told me that you died," Sanchez responds.

"I'm not dead, Otty," Garcia says. "I'm standing right here talking to you."

Sanchez, 33, is charged with capital murder in the slaying of Scott Wesley Buchholz-Sanchez, who authorities found decapitated and grossly mutilated in a bedroom of her sister's house early Sunday. Police say Sanchez chewed off three of her infant's toes and ate parts of the brain. She used a knife and two swords in the attack, according to police.

Garcia tells the dispatcher that her sister has stabbed her child and that blood is all over the bed.

"She's gone crazy last night. She was hearing voices," Garcia says. "She kept bringing me the baby. And finally she calmed down and I took her back the baby. And now I just woke up to hear screaming."

She continues, "The baby is dead. The baby's dead. Please, somebody come."

During the call, the dispatcher instructs Garcia not to touch the baby or anything in the area. The call ends with the dispatcher saying help is on the way.

Sanchez, who had been hospitalized after the killing, was being held on $1 million bond at the Bexar County jail. It was not immediately clear Wednesday whether she had an attorney.

Scott W. Buchholz, the infant's father, said Sanchez suffered from postpartum depression and that she told him she was schizophrenic a week before the slaying. Buchholz, who said he also is schizophrenic, said he wants her to receive the death penalty.

A family member has said Sanchez had been undergoing psychiatric treatment and that a hospital called looking for her several months ago. Gloria Sanchez, the mother's aunt, said her niece had been "in and out of a psychiatric ward."

In May 2008, Otty Sanchez's mother, Manuela Sanchez, called police after her daughter didn't return from a trip to Austin, saying she was concerned about her daughter's safety. Manuela Sanchez told police she suspected her daughter was into drugs and specifically told police she wasn't suffering from any mental issues.

Buchholz last saw Sanchez and his son the day before the killing. He said Sanchez had moved in with her parents a week earlier, leaving him July 20 after being briefly hospitalized for depression but released that same day.

Sanchez brought "Baby Scotty" over to see his father the day before the slaying, and Buchholz said she became irate when he asked for copies of the birth certificate and other documents, then left in a huff with the baby.

Priscilla Garcia called 911 before 5 a.m. the next morning. Police say the killing took place in a bedroom and that no one else was injured.

[Ghoul]

Pop se polio benzinom i hteo da zapali crkvu
Autor: Suzana Božinović, Brana Filipović | 30.08.2009. - 00:01

Lazar Sekulić, sveštenik Srpske pravoslavne crkve u zaječarskom selu Rgotini, polio se juče benzinom i zaključao u tamošnjem hramu Presvete Bogorodice uz pretnju da će se zapaliti.

Razlog za ovakav čin bio je što je nakon 33 godine službovanja u Rgotini dobio premeštaj u obližnje selo Lenovac. Čim se sveštenik zaključao u crkvi, meštani su pozvali policiju i vatrogasce čije su ekipe ubrzo došle. Usledili su pregovori sa sveštenikom Sekulićem kroz zaključana vrata crkve, naočigled okupljenih meštana. On je doviknuo iz hrama da će se zapaliti ukoliko bilo ko pokuša nasilno da uđe.

Lazar Sekulić je pristao da otključa vrata i izađe iz crkve tek kada je stigao njegov pretpostavljeni, protonamesnik Sreten iz Zaječara, koji mu je obećao da neće preći u Lenovac sve dok mu episkop Timočke eparhije vladika Justin ne bude objasnio razloge za premeštaj.


– Ja sam bolestan, uskoro treba da idem na operaciju srca. Star sam, ostalo mi je još samo dve godine do penzije. Ne želim premeštaj jer sam u Rgotini pune 33 godine, saživeo sam se sa meštanima i hoću da ostanem ovde – rekao je pop Sekulić.
U sedištu Timočke eparhije u Zaječaru juče nam je rečeno da je vladika Justin na putu i da nije u prilici da prokomentariše ovaj nesvakidašnji događaj. Nezvanično smo saznali da je još jedan broj sveštenika, koji su odlukom njegovog preosveštenstva premešteni da službuju u druga mesta širom Timočke krajine, odbio da se povinuje odluci poglavara Srpske pravoslavne crkve u ovom kraju.

[Ghoul]

Irski ateisti izazivaju zakon o blasfemiji

Ateističke grupe u Irskoj izazvale su novi zakon o blasfemiji u toj zemlji tako što su postavili niz antireligijskih citata na njihove sajtove. Irski ateisti kažu da će se sa zadovoljstvom pojaviti pred sudom ukoliko ih neko zbog tih natpisa bude tužio.

Citati postavljeni na sajtu sadrže reče poznatih ljudi kao što su Mark Tven, Salman Ruždi, Frenk Zapa, Bjork ali i Isus Hrist, Prorok Muhamed i papa Benedikt XVI. Novi zakon čini blasfemiju zločinom i kazna za takvo ponašanje može dostići 25.000 evra.  Irska vlada tvrdi da je zakon morao da bude izglasan jer Ustav iz 1937. godine daje pravnu zaštitu verovanja samo hrišćanima. Novi zakon je izglasan u julu 2009. ali je na snagu stupio 1. januara 2010. godine.

Irski ateisti su po stupanju zakona odgovorili sa 25 citata koji se smatraju anti-religijskim. Oni navode da je cilj akcije da se ukine zakon koji je u suprotnosti sa sekularnim irskim Ustavom. Jedan od lidera irskih ateista Majkl Nugent kaže da želi da izazove zakon o bogohuljenju na sudu, ukoliko bude bio optužen.

,,Novi zakon je smešan i opasan" – kaže on. ,,Smešan je jer srednjovekovni religijski zakone nemaju mesta u modernim sekularnim republikama, gde krivični zakon treba da štiti ljude a ne ideje". Irski ateisti kažu da će održati seriju javnih okupljanja širom zemlje u sklopu svoje kampanje protiv zakona o blasfemiji.

a u komentarima na ovaj text - prenet ovde: http://www.e-novine.com/comments/svet/svet-vesti/33735-Irski-ateisti-izazivaju-zakon-blasfemiji.html - najzad otkrih kako je Jovan Zlatousti dobio ovaj nadimak!

Prema toj teoriji, apostoli su se sastali da dokuče kako da Marija bezgrešno začne (dotična je, što bi naš drugar hipopotamist rekao, nazočila ovoj debati). I dok su apostoli iznosili kojekakve besmislene prijedloge, zabrinuti Jovan se zamišljeno češkao po bradi i u jednom momentu glasno rekao:"Neće to moći bez kurca!" Na šta je, do tada, rezignirana Marija, sa stidljivim smiješkom na licu, tiho promrmljala:"Jovane, usta ti se pozlatila."

[Ghoul]

a evo ih i ti citati, navodno bogohulni:

25 Blasphemous Quotations
By Atheist Ireland | Published: January 2, 2010

Published by Atheist Ireland on 1 January 2010

1. Jesus Christ, when asked if he was the son of God, in Matthew 26:64: "Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven." According to the Christian Bible, the Jewish chief priests and elders and council deemed this statement by Jesus to be blasphemous, and they sentenced Jesus to death for saying it.

2. Jesus Christ, talking to Jews about their God, in John 8:44: "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him." This is one of several chapters in the Christian Bible that can give a scriptural foundation to Christian anti-Semitism. The first part of John 8, the story of "whoever is without sin cast the first stone", was not in the original version, but was added centuries later. The original John 8 is a debate between Jesus and some Jews. In brief, Jesus calls the Jews who disbelieve him sons of the Devil, the Jews try to stone him, and Jesus runs away and hides.

3. Muhammad, quoted in Hadith of Bukhari, Vol 1 Book 8 Hadith 427: "May Allah curse the Jews and Christians for they built the places of worship at the graves of their prophets." This quote is attributed to Muhammad on his death-bed as a warning to Muslims not to copy this practice of the Jews and Christians. It is one of several passages in the Koran and in Hadith that can give a scriptural foundation to Islamic anti-Semitism, including the assertion in Sura 5:60 that Allah cursed Jews and turned some of them into apes and swine.

4. Mark Twain, describing the Christian Bible in Letters from the Earth, 1909: "Also it has another name – The Word of God. For the Christian thinks every word of it was dictated by God. It is full of interest. It has noble poetry in it; and some clever fables; and some blood-drenched history; and some good morals; and a wealth of obscenity; and upwards of a thousand lies... But you notice that when the Lord God of Heaven and Earth, adored Father of Man, goes to war, there is no limit. He is totally without mercy — he, who is called the Fountain of Mercy. He slays, slays, slays! All the men, all the beasts, all the boys, all the babies; also all the women and all the girls, except those that have not been deflowered. He makes no distinction between innocent and guilty... What the insane Father required was blood and misery; he was indifferent as to who furnished it." Twain's book was published posthumously in 1939. His daughter, Clara Clemens, at first objected to it being published, but later changed her mind in 1960 when she believed that public opinion had grown more tolerant of the expression of such ideas. That was half a century before Fianna Fail and the Green Party imposed a new blasphemy law on the people of Ireland.

5. Tom Lehrer, The Vatican Rag, 1963: "Get in line in that processional, step into that small confessional. There, the guy who's got religion'll tell you if your sin's original. If it is, try playing it safer, drink the wine and chew the wafer. Two, four, six, eight, time to transubstantiate!"

6. Randy Newman, God's Song, 1972: "And the Lord said: I burn down your cities – how blind you must be. I take from you your children, and you say how blessed are we. You all must be crazy to put your faith in me. That's why I love mankind."

7. James Kirkup, The Love That Dares to Speak its Name, 1976: "While they prepared the tomb I kept guard over him. His mother and the Magdalen had gone to fetch clean linen to shroud his nakedness. I was alone with him... I laid my lips around the tip of that great cock, the instrument of our salvation, our eternal joy. The shaft, still throbbed, anointed with death's final ejaculation." This extract is from a poem that led to the last successful blasphemy prosecution in Britain, when Denis Lemon was given a suspended prison sentence after he published it in the now-defunct magazine Gay News. In 2002, a public reading of the poem, on the steps of St. Martin-in-the-Fields church in Trafalgar Square, failed to lead to any prosecution. In 2008, the British Parliament abolished the common law offences of blasphemy and blasphemous libel.

8. Matthias, son of Deuteronomy of Gath, in Monty Python's Life of Brian, 1979: "Look, I had a lovely supper, and all I said to my wife was that piece of halibut was good enough for Jehovah."

9. Rev Ian Paisley MEP to the Pope in the European Parliament, 1988: "I denounce you as the Antichrist." Paisley's website describes the Antichrist as being "a liar, the true son of the father of lies, the original liar from the beginning... he will imitate Christ, a diabolical imitation, Satan transformed into an angel of light, which will deceive the world."

10. Conor Cruise O'Brien, 1989: "In the last century the Arab thinker Jamal al-Afghani wrote: 'Every Muslim is sick and his only remedy is in the Koran.' Unfortunately the sickness gets worse the more the remedy is taken."

11. Frank Zappa, 1989: "If you want to get together in any exclusive situation and have people love you, fine – but to hang all this desperate sociology on the idea of The Cloud-Guy who has The Big Book, who knows if you've been bad or good – and cares about any of it – to hang it all on that, folks, is the chimpanzee part of the brain working."

12. Salman Rushdie, 1990: "The idea of the sacred is quite simply one of the most conservative notions in any culture, because it seeks to turn other ideas – uncertainty, progress, change – into crimes." In 1989, Ayatollah Khomeini of Iran issued a fatwa ordering Muslims to kill Rushdie because of blasphemous passages in Rushdie's novel The Satanic Verses.

13. Bjork, 1995: "I do not believe in religion, but if I had to choose one it would be Buddhism. It seems more livable, closer to men... I've been reading about reincarnation, and the Buddhists say we come back as animals and they refer to them as lesser beings. Well, animals aren't lesser beings, they're just like us. So I say fuck the Buddhists."

14. Amanda Donohoe on her role in the Ken Russell movie Lair of the White Worm, 1995: "Spitting on Christ was a great deal of fun. I can't embrace a male god who has persecuted female sexuality throughout the ages, and that persecution still goes on today all over the world."

15. George Carlin, 1999: "Religion easily has the greatest bullshit story ever told. Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time! But He loves you. He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can't handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more. Now, talk about a good bullshit story. Holy Shit!"

16. Paul Woodfull as Ding Dong Denny O'Reilly, The Ballad of Jaysus Christ, 2000: "He said me ma's a virgin and sure no one disagreed, Cause they knew a lad who walks on water's handy with his feet... Jaysus oh Jaysus, as cool as bleedin' ice, With all the scrubbers in Israel he could not be enticed, Jaysus oh Jaysus, it's funny you never rode, Cause it's you I do be shoutin' for each time I shoot me load."

17. Jesus Christ, in Jerry Springer The Opera, 2003: "Actually, I'm a bit gay." In 2005, the Christian Institute tried to bring a prosecution against the BBC for screening Jerry Springer the Opera, but the UK courts refused to issue a summons.

18. Tim Minchin, Ten-foot Cock and a Few Hundred Virgins, 2005: "So you're gonna live in paradise, With a ten-foot cock and a few hundred virgins, So you're gonna sacrifice your life, For a shot at the greener grass, And when the Lord comes down with his shiny rod of judgment, He's gonna kick my heathen ass."

19. Richard Dawkins in The God Delusion, 2006: "The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully." In 2007 Turkish publisher Erol Karaaslan was charged with the crime of insulting believers for publishing a Turkish translation of The God Delusion. He was acquitted in 2008, but another charge was brought in 2009. Karaaslan told the court that "it is a right to criticise religions and beliefs as part of the freedom of thought and expression."

20. Pope Benedict XVI quoting a 14th century Byzantine emperor, 2006: "Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." This statement has already led to both outrage and condemnation of the outrage. The Organisation of the Islamic Conference, the world's largest Muslim body, said it was a "character assassination of the prophet Muhammad". The Malaysian Prime Minister said that "the Pope must not take lightly the spread of outrage that has been created." Pakistan's foreign Ministry spokesperson said that "anyone who describes Islam as a religion as intolerant encourages violence". The European Commission said that "reactions which are disproportionate and which are tantamount to rejecting freedom of speech are unacceptable."

21. Christopher Hitchens in God is not Great, 2007: "There is some question as to whether Islam is a separate religion at all... Islam when examined is not much more than a rather obvious and ill-arranged set of plagiarisms, helping itself from earlier books and traditions as occasion appeared to require... It makes immense claims for itself, invokes prostrate submission or 'surrender' as a maxim to its adherents, and demands deference and respect from nonbelievers into the bargain. There is nothing—absolutely nothing—in its teachings that can even begin to justify such arrogance and presumption."

22. PZ Myers, on his desecration of a Roman Catholic communion host, 2008: "You would not believe how many people are writing to me, insisting that these horrible little crackers (they look like flattened bits of styrofoam) are literally pieces of their god, and that this omnipotent being who created the universe can actually be seriously harmed by some third-rate liberal intellectual at a third-rate university... However, inspired by an old woodcut of Jews stabbing the host, I thought of a simple, quick thing to do: I pierced it with a rusty nail (I hope Jesus's tetanus shots are up to date). And then I simply threw it in the trash, followed by the classic, decorative items of trash cans everywhere, old coffeegrounds and a banana peel."

23. Ian O'Doherty, 2009: "(If defamation of religion was illegal) it would be a crime for me to say that the notion of transubstantiation is so ridiculous that even a small child should be able to see the insanity and utter physical impossibility of a piece of bread and some wine somehow taking on corporeal form. It would be a crime for me to say that Islam is a backward desert superstition that has no place in modern, enlightened Europe and it would be a crime to point out that Jewish settlers in Israel who believe they have a God given right to take the land are, frankly, mad. All the above assertions will, no doubt, offend someone or other."

24. Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O'Connor, 2009: "Whether a person is atheist or any other, there is in fact in my view something not totally human if they leave out the transcendent... we call it God... I think that if you leave that out you are not fully human." Because atheism is not a religion, the Irish blasphemy law does not protect atheists from abusive and insulting statements about their fundamental beliefs. While atheists are not seeking such protection, we include the statement here to point out that it is discriminatory that this law does not hold all citizens equal.

25. Dermot Ahern, Irish Minister for Justice, introducing his blasphemy law at an Oireachtas Justice Committee meeting, 2009, and referring to comments made about him personally: "They are blasphemous." Deputy Pat Rabbitte replied: "Given the Minister's self-image, it could very well be that we are blaspheming," and Minister Ahern replied: "Deputy Rabbitte says that I am close to the baby Jesus, I am so pure." So here we have an Irish Justice Minister joking about himself being blasphemed, at a parliamentary Justice Committee discussing his own blasphemy law, that could make his own jokes illegal.

Finally, as a bonus, Micheal Martin, Irish Minister for Foreign Affairs, opposing attempts by Islamic States to make defamation of religion a crime at UN level, 2009: "We believe that the concept of defamation of religion is not consistent with the promotion and protection of human rights. It can be used to justify arbitrary limitations on, or the denial of, freedom of expression. Indeed, Ireland considers that freedom of expression is a key and inherent element in the manifestation of freedom of thought and conscience and as such is complementary to freedom of religion or belief." Just months after Minister Martin made this comment, his colleague Dermot Ahern introduced Ireland's new blasphemy law.

odavde:
http://www.atheist.ie/

OBAVEZNO BACITE POGLED NA LINK, IMA SJAJNIH STVARI, NPR:
Intelligence Squared Debate: Christopher Hitchens and Stephen Fry vs. The Catholics

[vilja]

OBAVEZNO BACITE POGLED NA LINK, IMA SJAJNIH STVARI, NPR:
Intelligence Squared Debate: Christopher Hitchens and Stephen Fry vs. The Catholics

Ne može da se gleda, piše REMOVED...

[JasonBezArgonauta]

11. Frank Zappa, 1989: "If you want to get together in any exclusive situation and have people love you, fine – but to hang all this desperate sociology on the idea of The Cloud-Guy who has The Big Book, who knows if you've been bad or good – and cares about any of it – to hang it all on that, folks, is the chimpanzee part of the brain working."

[Kler_Vojant]

Zappa ludak. Trebate da vidite njegovu autobiografiju.

[Alexdelarge]

Egipat: Pucnjava na Badnje veče, sedam mrtvih

Sedmoro Kopta je ubijeno, a deset ljudi, među kojima dvojica muslimana, ranjeno je kada su napadači otvorili vatru iz automobila na vernike koji su, posle službe na Badnje veče, izlazili iz crkve na jugu Egipta.

To su danas saopštili izvori iz egipatskih snaga bezbednosti.

Nepoznati napadači zaustavili su vozilo ispred crkve u gradu Naga Hamadi, 60 kilometara od Luksora, i otvorili paljbu na vernike koji su izlazili iz crkve. U pucnjavi su ranjena i dvojica muslimana, slučajnih prolaznika, preneo je Rojters.

Dvoje ranjenih je u kritičnom stanju, naveli su izvori iz bolnice.

Koptska pravoslavna crkva slavi Božić 7. januara. U Egiptu, u kojem većinu stanovništva čine muslimani, živi oko osam miliona Kopta, odnosno oko 10 odsto ukupnog stanovništva.

(Tanjug)

[akhnaton]

Da ova vest iz Egipta nije žalosna, bilo bi smešno neznanje naših "izveštača", Koptska Crkva, jedna od najstarijih Hrišćanskih crkava, nije orthodoxna, nego monofizitska crkva.

[slavko]

To smo,valjda ,apsolvirali prošle godine.Zbunjuje ih kalendar.

[scallop]

Da ova vest iz Egipta nije žalosna, bilo bi smešno neznanje naših "izveštača", Koptska Crkva, jedna od najstarijih Hrišćanskih crkava, nije orthodoxna, nego monofizitska crkva.

Sve hrišanske crkve su po definiciji - ortodoksne. Pa i katolička.

[Lord Kufer]

Latin catholicus, universal

Katoličko, protestantsko se ne odnosi na istu stvar kao ortodoksno. Ortodoksno znači pravoverno (pravoslavno). Katoličko se odnosi na sveobuhvatno, a protestantsko na protestšestvije  Dok se koptsko odnosi na Kopte-narod (koji su bili egipatski pisari, pisali su stenografski istovremeno kad su Egipćani crtali sličice - vidi kamen iz Rozete).

[slavko]

Zaboravljate onu malo važniju stvar da su sve hršćanske crkve -hrišćanske,a to je za događaje o kojima se priča osnovno.

[akhnaton]

Zaboravljate onu malo važniju stvar da su sve hršćanske crkve -hrišćanske,a to je za događaje o kojima se priča osnovno.

Ne zaboravljam.
Lorde gresis, Catholicus nije na latinskom, nego na grckom, vidi referencu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic

[Lord Kufer]

Pa nisam baš hteo da idem do srpskog korena... na latinskom je prosto preuzeto iz grčkog, potpuno isto.

Ovo nije loš online rečnik, a ima i etimologiju
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/catholic

[Middle English catholik, universally accepted, from Old French catholique, from Latin catholicus, universal, from Greek katholikos, from katholou, in general : kat-, kata-, down, along, according to; see  cata- + holou (from neuter genitive of holos, whole; see  sol- in Indo-European roots).]

[Ghoul]

zaista pregenijalan naslov:

Haitians praise God after apocalyptic quake


PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti – Drumbeats called the faithful to a Sunday Mass praising God amid a scene resembling the Apocalypse — a collapsed cathedral in a city cloaked with the smell of death, where aid is slow to reach survivors and rescue crews battle to pry an ever-smaller number of the living from the ruins.

Sunlight streamed through what little was left of blown-out stained windows as the Rev. Eric Toussaint preached to a small crowd of survivors. A rotting body lay in its main entrance.

"Why give thanks to God? Because we are here," Toussaint said. "We say 'Thank you God.' What happened is the will of God. We are in the hands of God now."

As Catholic and Protestant worshippers across the city met for their first Sunday services since the magnitude-7.0 quake, many Haitians were still waiting for food and water and some took vengeance against looters.

Rescue workers were frustrated by the stuggle to get aid through the small, damaged and clogged airport run by U.S. military controllers, and to get it from the airport into town.

Doctors Without Borders said Sunday that a cargo plane carrying a field hospital was denied permission to land at the airport and had to be rerouted through the Dominican Republic — creating a 24-hour delay in setting up a crucial field hospital.

U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon called the quake "one of the most serious crises in decades."

"The damage, destruction and loss of life are just overwhelming," he said before flying toward Haiti on Sunday.

Nobody knows how many died in Tuesday's quake. Haiti's government alone has already recovered 20,000 bodies — not counting those recovered by independent agencies or relatives themselves, Prime Minister Jean-Max Bellerive told The Associated Press.

The Pan American Health Organization now says 50,000 to 100,000 people perished in the quake. Bellerive said 100,000 would "seem to be the minimum."

At the roofless cathedral, elderly women worried the beads of their rosaries and prayed for the intervention of Our Lady Of The Ascension, to whom the 81-year-old church is named.

A military helicopter roared overhead, drowning out a hymn by the congregation. Above loomed the partially destroyed office of the archbishop who died nearby and another building whose blown-out walls had laid it open it like a doll's house.

An apparently demented elderly woman began preaching on the sideline of the Mass: "Where is our justice? Now the palace of justice has been broken down ... we are all infected by disease. The end is near."

Amid the struggle for food, some turned to looting, infuriating people struggling to guard what little they still have.

Two suspected looters lay on the street in the Delmas neighborhood of Port-au-Prince, both beaten and with their hands bound together. Some in the angry crowd that gathered around them said they had been attacked by angry residents, others that police had caused their wounds.

One lay completely motionless, his dreadlocked hair stained by a deep pool of dark crimson blood. The other lay bleeding profusely but occasionally twitched his leg.

A few hours later, a reporter found both men were dead. However they got that way — whether vigilante justice or police execution — all agreed that they were criminals who had escaped from the destroyed prison.

There were also occasions of joy: An American team pulled a woman alive from a collapsed university building where she had been trapped for 97 hours. Near dawn, another crew rescued three survivors from deep in the pancaked ruins of a supermarket.

And a woman was pulled alive, dehydrated but otherwise uninjured, from the ruins of the Montana Hotel, to the applause of onlookers.

The son of co-owner Nadine Cardoso said he could hear her voice from the rubble. Twelve hours later, with more than 20 friends and relatives watching, she was lowered from a hill of debris on a stretcher.

"It's a little miracle," her husband, Reinhard Riedl, said after hearing she was alive in the wreckage. "She's one tough cookie. She is indestructible."

But the rescue was bittersweet for Cardoso's sister Gerthe: Rescuers had to abandon a search for her 7-year-old grandson after an aftershock closed a space where he was believed to be.

U.N. humanitarian spokeswoman Elisabeth Byrs said 1,739 rescue workers in 43 teams with 161 dogs and high-tech equipment so far have saved more than 70 people.

The U.N. itself lost at least 40 confirmed dead — including its mission chief Hedi Annabi — with hundreds still missing. "For the United Nations, this is the gravest and greatest single loss in the history of our organization," Ban said.

But the U.N. secretary-general said the agency was already feeding 40,000 and hopes to feed 2 million within a month.

Florence Louis, seven months pregnant with two children, was one of thousands of Haitians who gathered at a gate at the Cite Soleil slum, where U.N. World Food Program workers handed out high-energy biscuits for the first time.

"It is enough because I didn't have anything at all," said Louis, 29, clutching four packets of biscuits.

The Haitian government has established 14 distribution points for food and other supplies, and U.S. Army helicopters scouted locations for more. Aid groups opened five emergency health centers. Vital gear, such as water-purification units, was arriving from abroad.

On a hillside golf course, perhaps 50,000 people were sleeping in a makeshift tent city overlooking the stricken capital and paratroopers of the U.S. 82nd Airborne Division flew in to set up a base for handing out water and food.

As relief teams grappled with on-the-ground obstacles, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton visited and pledged more American assistance. President Barack Obama met with former Presidents George W. Bush and Bill Clinton in Washington and urged Americans to donate to Haiti relief efforts.

At the cathedral, the Rev. Toussaint described his own near-miraculous survival.

"I watched the destruction of the cathedral from this window," he said, pointing to a window in what remains of the archdiocese office. "I am not dead because God has a plan for me."

"What happens is a sign from God, saying that we must recognize his power - we need to reinvent ourselves,"

Others, however, were angry.

"It's a catastrophe and it is God who has put this upon us," said Jean-Andre Noel, 39-year-old computer technician "Those who live in Haiti need everything. We need food, we need drink, we need medicine. We need help."

[Alexdelarge]

Srušio se minaret u Maroku

Najmanje 38 ljudi je poginulo, a 70 je povređeno u gradu Meknes u centralnom Maroku, kada se srušio minaret 400 godina stare džamije.

http://www.rts.rs/page/stories/sr/story/9/Srbija/516051/Sru%C5%A1io+se+minaret+u+Maroku.html

[mac]

Jeste, sad je bog kriv što ljudi ne održavaju ono što su sami i napravili.

[Ghoul]

RELIGIOZNI STAMPEDO, ima li lepše i božjim ušima umilnije fraze?


ne samo što implicira STOKU, nego i njihovu iminentnu pogibiju, što njega naročito raduje i veseli a vala i zadovoljava:


63 die, dozens injured in Indian temple stampede

KUNDA, India – A stampede broke out at a Hindu temple in northern India on Thursday as thousands of people jostled one another to get free clothes and food, leaving at least 63 people dead and dozens more injured, officials said.

Most of the victims were women and children, officials said.

The force of the stampede was so great that it knocked down a gate at the temple compound in Kunda, a small town 110 miles (180 kilometers) southeast of Lucknow, the capital of Uttar Pradesh state.

About 44 worshippers were injured in the crush of people at a temple belonging to a popular local religious leader, said Ashok Kumar, a senior government official.

Thousands of farmers and villagers had gathered at the temple around noon to receive free goods to mark the anniversary of the death of the wife of the religious leader, Kripalu Maharaj, said Brij Lal, a local police official.

By late afternoon police had cleared the compound and started the process of identifying the bodies, Kumar said.

Hundreds of people gathered at a nearby hospital for news of their family members.

"She had just wandered in to see what was happening," said Gudal, a 38-year-old farmer whose 7-year-old daughter, Ranjana, was killed. Gudal, who uses only one name, wept as she spoke.

Leelawati, 32, cried as she waited to see the body of her 11-year-old daughter, Lakshmi, who also died in the stampede.

Deadly stampedes are a relatively common occurrence at temples in India, where large crowds — sometimes hundreds of thousands of people — congregate in small areas lacking facilities to control big gatherings.

In 2008, more than 145 people died in a stampede at a remote Hindu temple at the foothill of the Himalayas.

[Tex Murphy]

Ubuduće bi mogao svoje komentare na ove vijesti nekako da istakneš, posebno obilježiš ili nešto slično, da bih mogao što efikasnije da ih preskočim prilikom čitanja.

[Ghoul]

očito, tebi crveni bold nije dovoljno istaknut.
oh, well...

[Джон Рейнольдс]

A stampede broke out at a Hindu temple in northern India on Thursday as thousands of people jostled one another to get free clothes and food, leaving at least 63 people dead and dozens more injured, officials said.

Malo sam drugačije boldovao ne bismo li se prisetili jednog velikana koji je probleme ovakvih likova rešavao pre nego što su dolazili u priliku da naprave stampedo.

[Ghoul]

Pope blasts Irish church,no Vatican blame in abuse


VATICAN CITY – Pope Benedict XVI rebuked Irish bishops Saturday for "grave errors of judgment" in handling clerical sex abuse and ordered an investigation into the Irish church but did not mention any Vatican responsibility.

In a letter to the Irish faithful read across Europe amid a growing, multination abuse scandal, the pope doled out no specific punishments to bishops blamed by victims, and Irish government-ordered investigations, for having covered up abuse of thousands of Irish children from the 1930s to the 1990s.

Ireland's main group of clerical-abuse victims, One in Four, said it was deeply disappointed by the letter because it failed to lay blame with the Vatican for what it called a "deliberate policy of the Catholic Church at the highest levels to protect sex offenders, thereby endangering children."

"If the church cannot acknowledge this fundamental truth, it is still in denial," the group said.

The letter directly addressed only Ireland, but the Vatican said it could be read as applying to other countries. Hundreds of new allegations of abuse have recently come to light across Europe, including in the pope's native Germany, where he served as archbishop in a diocese where several victims have recently come forward. One priest suspected of molesting boys while the future pope was in charge was transferred to a job where he abused more children.

While a cardinal at the Vatican, Joseph Ratzinger penned a letter instructing bishops around the world to report all cases of abuse to his office and keep them secret under threat of excommunication. Irish bishops have said the letter was widely understood to mean they shouldn't report the cases to police.

"You have suffered grievously and I am truly sorry," Benedict said, addressing himself to Irish Catholics who suffered "sinful and criminal" abuse at the hands of priests, brothers and nuns and a botched response by their superiors.

"It is understandable that you find it hard to forgive or be reconciled with the church," he said. "In her name, I openly express the shame and remorse that we all feel."

Benedict used his harshest words for the abusers themselves, saying they had betrayed the trust of the faithful, brought shame on the church and now must answer before God and civil authorities.

"Conceal nothing," he exhorted them. "Openly acknowledge your guilt, submit yourselves to the demands of justice, but do not despair of God's mercy."

Benedict faulted their superiors, the Irish bishops, for having failed "sometimes grievously" to apply the church's own law which calls for harsh punishments for child abusers, including defrocking priests.

But he didn't rebuke them specifically for having failed to report cases of abuse to police, saying only that serious mistakes were made and that now they must prevent future abuse and "continue to cooperate with civil authorities."

"I recognize how difficult it was to grasp the extent and complexity of the problem, to obtain reliable information and to make the right decisions in the light of conflicting expert advice," Benedict wrote.

"Nevertheless, it must be admitted that grave errors of judgment were made and failures of leadership occurred. And this has seriously undermined your credibility and effectiveness."

While the letter doled out no punishment for the bishops, the pope did order a Vatican investigation into some dioceses, seminaries and religious orders. Such a move is undertaken only when Rome considers a local church unable to deal with a problem on its own. The Vatican ordered such an "apostolic visitation" into U.S. seminaries after the U.S. clerical sex abuse scandal exploded in 2002.

The results of the Irish investigation could lead to further action.

Victims have been demanding that bishops resign, and three Irish bishops have offered to step down. Benedict hasn't accepted the resignations.

Asked why there were no punitive provisions in the letter, Vatican spokesman the Rev. Federico Lombardi noted that the letter was pastoral, not administrative or disciplinary in nature, and that any further measures concerning resignations would be taken by the competent Vatican offices.

Cardinal Sean Brady, the top cardinal in Ireland who himself is under fire for not reporting a notorious abuser to police, welcomed the letter.

"Let us pray that the Holy Father's pastoral letter will be the beginning of a great season of rebirth and hope in the Irish Church," he said.

Three Irish government-ordered investigations published from 2005 to 2009 have documented how thousands of Irish children suffered rape, molestation and other abuse by priests in their parishes and by nuns and brothers in boarding schools and orphanages. Irish bishops did not report a single case to police until 1996 after victims began to sue the church.

The reports have faulted Rome for sending confusing messages to the Irish church about norms to be followed and, in general, for what it called the absence of a coherent set of canon laws and rules to apply in cases of abuse.

In particular, the so-called Murphy report faulted the 2001 secrecy letter penned by then-Cardinal Ratzinger, who headed the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith for a quarter-century before becoming pope, making him the most informed Vatican official about the global scale of clerical abuse.

In that role, he denounced the "filth" in the priesthood and initiated what has amounted to a crackdown on predatory priests, demanding a policy of zero tolerance from his bishops. As pope, he has met with American, Australian and Canadian victims of abuse, offering them comfort and apologies.

Nevertheless, reports emerged last week that while he was archbishop of Munich in the 1980s, Ratzinger approved therapy for a priest suspected of molesting boys. The priest was then transferred to a job where he later abused more children. He was convicted in a criminal trial. The archdiocese has said Ratzinger's then vicar general took full responsibility for the transfer.

Lombardi defended Benedict in his handling of the global abuse scandal and said anyone who knows the pontiff's background and history would know he has been a "witness for coherence and correctness" in confronting abuse and a "guide to overcome a past of silence."

Lombardi was peppered with questions about why the German-born pope didn't directly address the German scandal or take the opportunity of the letter to make a more sweeping commentary on the now-global dimensions of the scandal.

Lombardi acknowledged the other cases but said the Irish scandal was unique in its scope. But he said that obviously issues in the letter could be read to apply to other countries and individuals.

"You can't talk about the entire world every time," he said. "It risks becoming banal."

The head of the German bishops' conference, Archbishop Robert Zollitsch, said the letter was a message also for Germany.

"The sexual abuse scandal in Ireland is not just an Irish problem, it is the scandal of the church in many places, it is the scandal of the church in Germany," he said.

A prominent German Catholic activist group, We Are Church, said it respected the pope's efforts with the letter.

But it faulted him for failing to address the fact that abuse is a global and structural problem for the church. "It would be good if there would be a mea culpa from him for all victims around the globe," said spokesman Christian Weisner.

[Eriops]

Da nisu i Zoska kao malog.. i on je bio u nekakvoj katoličkoj školi.. ? 

[Eriops]

Šalim se malo, nisam mogao odoliti  .
Lepo su mu zastupnici i porodice zlostavljanih odgovorili. Oni traže da se manijaci osude, traže naknadu štete, i da se otvoreno ispitaju i oni sa vrha, a ne samo niže sveštenstvo.. a svoje prazno izvinjenje nek okači mačku o rep.

[džin tonik]

Da nisu i Zoska kao malog.. i on je bio u nekakvoj katoličkoj školi.. ? 

skoro tihi, skoro. i mogu ti reci da nisam primjetio razliku izmedju balkansko-komunisticke stoke i krscansko-germanske stoke. ili izmedju krscansko-balkanske stoke i bilo koje druge stoke.
mozda tu i tamo koja nijansa, nista vrijedno spomena. nista vrijedno rijeci covjeka koji se ne identificira sa bilo cime. vojnice sa velikom pufkom!

[raindelay]

WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW?!

Evo ga !!!

[Ghoul]

IT'S A MIRACLE!!!

[Loni]

   Nema te katastrofe, koju čovek, ubeđen u božju il' kosmičku pravdu ne može da objasni.

   Kad mu kažeš da je neko dete silovano, iseckano na komade i bačeno u kontejner, on će reći: - Čeljade je u prošlom životu bilo je težak manijak. Garant! Silovatelj i ubica. Sve ostade zapisano u karmi i kad tad taj dug morao se platiti. Bolje sad, pa da ta duša prebrine, nego kasnije.

   Silovana žena bila je silovatelj, pregažen pešak beše bahat vozač zgazitelj, a izblamiran čovek, beše onaj što ponižava.
   
   Ne znam samo šta je u prošlom životu mogao biti siroti Jovan Jovanović Zmaj?
   Čovek se celog života bavio pisanjem bezazlene poezije za decu, a doživeo da mu i žena i svo petoro dece umru od tifusa.

   Verovatno je u predhodnom životu (pre početka 19. veka) gledao neki elektro ringišpil s vozićima i letećim tanjirčićima. Bilo mu dosadno. Podmetnuo klip u mehanizam, a silna deca strovališe se s vozića i letećih tanjirića pravo na armirani beton.     

[Ghoul]

Verovatno je u predhodnom životu (pre početka 19. veka) gledao neki elektro ringišpil

i ja mislim da je to najverovatnije!

[Loni]

  Il' je hakovao Neronovu mobilnu karticu i prosledio hipnotički SMS s porukom - Rimljani, upaljače ZIP u šake...

[Ghoul]

Custom may explain dumping of dead babies in China




BEIJING – Rural traditions of abandoning dead infants because they're considered bad luck may have played a role in the case of 21 babies' bodies found along a river in eastern China, apparently dumped by hospital mortuary workers.

The little bodies — at least one stuffed in a yellow bag marked "medical waste" — were found floating and strewn along the bank of a river on the outskirts of Jining city in Shandong province last weekend.

Police detained two mortuary workers at a hospital who were paid by the babies' families to dispose of the bodies.

One question that arose Wednesday was why would the parents of so many dead children simply abandon their remains?

Hospital procedures normally call for families to take away dead infants, the Shandong province-based Qilu Evening News reported. However, the death of a young child is considered bad luck among some rural families, and the body is often abandoned or buried in unmarked graves.

"According to customs in some places, dead infants are not considered to be a family member and will not be buried in family tombs," said Cao Yongfu, professor with Medical Ethic Institute of Shandong University.

Some families would rather leave the body at the hospital or pay someone to bury it, Ma Guanghai, deputy dean at Shandong University's School of Philosophy and Social Development, was cited as saying by the official Xinhua News Agency.

Some local customs go even further. When a baby dies, the family burns its clothes, toys and photos — anything that would remind them the child ever existed. The traditions stem from China's agrarian past, where child deaths were common, and not considered something to dwell on.

Though the case has shocked the public, Cao said a more pressing issue was developing clear regulations on how the bodies of infants and fetuses should be disposed.

"It's necessary for China to issue a legal explanation on how to deal with the bodies of dead infants and fetuses, otherwise it is possible there will be loopholes in hospital management," he said.

[Ghoul]

"INAPPROPRIATE" FOR THE SEASON: Evelyn Burgess of Columbus, Ohio, hosted
  a family Easter dinner. But Burgess saw that her husband "took notice"
  of what her teenaged second cousin was wearing -- a "revealing" t-shirt
  and shorts -- and got upset. The outfit "was inappropriate and
  disrespectful to wear at Easter dinner," she told officers who
  responded to what happened next. The hostess and the girl fought before
  going outside to the car, where Burgess, 42, shot Danielle Pickens, 19,
  in the head, killing her. (Columbus Dispatch) ...Burgess is an expert
  on what's appropriate for a holy holiday.

on the other hand:
JIEGU, China – Tibetan monks in crimson robes dug through earthquake rubble alongside government rescue workers, a startling image for a Chinese region long strained by suspicion and unrest.

The central government has poured in troops and equipment to this remote western region, but it is the influential Buddhist monks whom residents trust with their lives — and with their dead.

As the death toll climbed to 1,144 late Friday, there was tension and some distrust over the government relief effort, with survivors scuffling over limited aid.

[Ghoul]

HARV, REAGUJ!
ŠTA KAŽE TVOJ BOG NA OVO?

Man stabs 28 children at kindergarten in China



TAIXING, China – The screams of the 4-year-olds inside the kindergarten could be heard out in the street. When people ran in to investigate, they found what one witness said was a scene "too horrible to imagine" — blood everywhere as a knife-wielding man slashed 28 children, two teachers and a security guard Thursday in the second such school attack in China in two days.

Experts called it a copycat rampage triggered by similar incidents Wednesday and last month. They said the wave of school attacks falls amid poor care for the mentally unstable and growing feelings of social injustice in the fast-changing country.

Thursday's attack at the Zhongxin Kindergarten left five students hospitalized in critical condition in the eastern city of Taixing, said Zhu Guiming, an official with the municipal propaganda department. Two teachers and the security guard were also hurt.

The official Xinhua News Agency identified the attacker as Xu Yuyuan, a 47-year-old unemployed man using an eight-inch (20-centimeter) knife. No motive was given.

A witness to the early morning attack said people outside heard screams coming from the three-story building and rushed inside.

"It was too horrible to imagine. I saw blood everywhere, and kids bleeding from their heads," a visibly shaken Hu Tao told The Associated Press hours later.

"Some of them could not open their eyes because of the blood," he said.

Hu, who owns a small restaurant across the street from the school, said a delivery man used a fire extinguisher to knock Xu down.

Set in a sidestreet off the main avenue of the heavily industrialized city, the kindergarten has a whimsical European-style castle turret rising above its gate and a cartoon-like bunny by the entrance, which was sealed off by police tape.

Most of the recent school invasions have been blamed on people with personal grudges or suffering from mental illness, leading to calls for improved security.

Accounts in China's state-owned media have glossed over motives and largely shied away from why schools have so often been targets. Yet experts say outbursts against the defenseless are frequently due to social pressures.

An avowedly egalitarian society only a generation ago, China's headlong rush to prosperity has sharpened differences between haves and have-nots, and the public health system has atrophied even as pressures grew.

"We must create a more healthy and just society," said Zhou Xiaozheng, a sociology professor at Renmin University in Beijing.

While it's not known if Thursday's attacker knew about previous school stabbings, Zhou said such sensational, violent acts often draw copycats.

"Normally, with these kind of violent events we hope the media won't blow them up too much, because that tends to make it spread," Zhou said.

On Wednesday, a man in the southern city of Leizhou broke into a primary school and wounded 15 students and a teacher in a knife attack.

That attack came the same day a man was executed for stabbing eight children to death outside their elementary school last month in the southeastern city of Nanping.

China likely has about 173 million adults with mental health disorders, and 158 million of them have never had professional help, according to a mental health survey in four provinces jointly done by Chinese and U.S. doctors that was published in the medical journal The Lancet in June.

The attack in March shocked China because eight children died and the assailant had no known history of mental illness. At his trial, Zheng Minsheng, 42, said he killed because he had been upset after being jilted by a woman and treated badly by her wealthy family. He was executed Wednesday, just a little over a month after his crime.

After a 2004 attack at a school in Beijing that left nine students dead, the central government ordered tighter school security nationwide. Regulations that took effect in 2006 require schools to register or inspect visitors and keep out people who have no reason to come inside.

The man in Wednesday's attack managed to slip into the school with a group of visiting teachers, Xinhua reported. Chen Kangbing had been a teacher himself. Xinhua said he suffered from mental illness and had been on sick leave since February 2006.

The attack left fourth and fifth graders with stab wounds on their heads, backs and arms, but none was in life-threatening condition.

The Ministry of Education did not immediately respond to a fax Thursday asking whether this week's attacks would lead to changes in school security.

[mac]

What ever happened sa onim Kinezom što je vitlao nožem u Knez Mihajlovoj?

[Tex Murphy]

ŠTA KAŽE TVOJ BOG NA OVO?

VI STE KOMUNJARE!

[Kler_Vojant]

hahaha
el znate koliko mi je trebalo da zaradim ban na forumu ateista srbije hahaha
dva sata.

[Суба]

Voleo bih da mi Ghoul objasni zbog cega je ovu temu nazvao tako kako jeste.Malo mi zvuci tendenciozno,da izvinete...

[mac]

Ghoulov stav je da Bog (oličenje poretka iz hrišćanske perspektive) koji dozvoljava toliko patnje i haosa po čitavom svetu ne zaslužuje naše poštovanje. Drugim rečima, takav Bog ili ne postoji, ili ne treba da postoji.

[Tex Murphy]

Naslov teme je citat iz njegove knjige.

[Svevid]

Ghoulov stav je da Bog (oličenje poretka iz hrišćanske perspektive) koji dozvoljava toliko patnje i haosa po čitavom svetu ne zaslužuje naše poštovanje. Drugim rečima, takav Bog ili ne postoji, ili ne treba da postoji.

хехе, Бог - оличење поретка? тешко. да је Бог оличење поретка, први хришћани га сигурно не би веровали, јер су га поштовали и онда када је готово свако ко би постао хришћанин био убијен (то време је трајало до 313. године и понегде, понекад после тога).
Бог није заштитник земаљског поретка, већ небеског, којем хришћани стреме, али су свесни да је недостижан. рај на земљи је, показало се, утопија (рај-земља антоними?).
свако има право на позитиван или негативан однос према постојању било чега; Фројд је такође био непомирљив са постојањем Бога са једне и зла у свету са друге стране. таквим људима упорно измиче теримн "слобода". то је суштински филсофско-религиозни појам нужан за разумети не би ли се дошло до схватања Бога. а и тада... људи, Бог се спознаје само у личном односу са њим...не философирањем или каквим-таквим научним доказима... вера неједнако знање.