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Melkor

Matthew Woods deserves support as much as airport tweeter Paul Chambers

QuoteMatthew Woods has been jailed for 12 weeks after he posted 'grossly offensive' jokes on his Facebook page about the missing girl April Jones. Photograph: Lancashire Constabulary/PA

QuoteWoods's jokes about April Jones may have been offensive – and frankly baffling – but the mob logic behind his jailing is scary

QuoteThe writer and broadcaster Victoria Coren warns: "It's easy for us peaceable western liberals to make a fuss when a likeable musician or poet is censored in a faraway country. But when it's a revolting moron being offensive in our own country, the point is still the same: you can't start sending people to prison for saying something you don't like."
"Realism is a literary technique no longer adequate for the purpose of representing reality."


Meho Krljic

Ono što ovaj odlični članak ne pominje, a što sam ja pomenuo u svom postu dole je da je Woods uvredljive šale pravio na svojoj fejsbuk stranici a da je pablik autkraj nastao tek kad je neko uradio skrinšot njegove stranice i postovao ga na Fejsbuk stranu posvećenu April Jones. Dakle, čovek je pravio loše šale u krugu svojih prijatelja a onda je izveden na stub srama jer je Fejsbuk ipak neko javno mesto. Analogno tome bi mi bilo da ja u kafani ispričam vic o Romima, neko to snimi i onda objavi na vestima i mene utamniče zbog rasizma. Skeri!!!!!111

scallop

Ako serendamo onda to znači da serendamo bilo gde to uradili. Nije ni internet toalet. Mada se rimuje.
Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. - Mark Twain.

Lord Kufer

U komunizmu je bilo isto tako. Kreneš na pecanje, a trojica te prate, plus što domar mora da zna.

Meho Krljic

Quote from: scallop on 12-10-2012, 14:59:24
Ako serendamo onda to znači da serendamo bilo gde to uradili. Nije ni internet toalet. Mada se rimuje.

Heh... ali ne slažem se. Mislim da je jedno govoriti u krugu prijatelja i poznanika a drugo govoriti u potpuno javnom forumu sa svešću da te sluša "ceo svet". Na primer, ako ja svom drugaru Saletu kažem "Pa, da, ali, vi, Crnogorci ste poznati kao teške lenštine" to je sasvim različito od toga kada bih napisao kolumnu za Politiku ili Blic gde bih objašnjavao da su Crnogorci po mentalitetu i genetskom nasleđu manje vredni od drugih etničkih grupa. A ova vrsta incidenta opisana gore pokušava da izjednači jednu i drugu situaciju. Kada bi usred mog zvaničnog sastanka sa predstavnicima Crvenog krsta Crne Gore, njegovim predsednikom i Generalnim sekretarom sad neko doneo snimak mene kako svom drugaru Saletu kažem "vi, Crnogorci ste poznati kao teške lenštine" to bi njih strašno uvredilo a pošto ja to znam, nikada im u lice ne bih rekao tako nešto. Ali pomisao da tako nešto nikada i nigde ne smem da izgovorim jer bi nekoga i negde moglo da uvredi je bezvezna i totalitarna na jedan tupav način.

Podvlačim, radi jasnoće: čovek treba da pazi da ljude ne vređa, to je pitanje ljudske etike i lepog vaspitanja, apsolutno se zalažem za to. Ali čovek mora da ima pravo na slobodu govora, čak i kada govor vređa druge ljude. Već sam gore u postu napisao da bih ja razumeo i podržao da je Woodsa tužila familija, prekršajno, ali on je pritvoren kao kriminalac, po krivičnoj odgovornosti. A to je debilno.

Lord Kufer

Ali to da su Crnogorci lenštine je stara srpska propaganda kako bi se opravdala okupacija Crne Gore.
Pa, gledaj, sada ko god se pobuni protiv poretka ispadne - lenština. Grci - lenštine, žive o državnoj sisi. Španci, itd.
Jeste to zgodno za pravljenje viceva, ali je pre svega ispiračina mozga i formiranje rasističkog stava. Lazy nigga... i te fore.

Meho Krljic

Ma samo hoću da podvučem razliku između etičke i krivične odgovornosti. Na primer.

Lord Kufer

Društvo ne sankcioniše etičku odgovornost već samo krivičnu. Ali, njihovo tumačenje može da se poziva na etiku, iako sudije nemaju pojma šta je etičko.
Duševni bol i takve gluposti, za to je specijalizovana Inkvizicija  :evil:

scallop

Meho, tvoje je pravo da se ne složiš. Uostalom, vidim da će ti Kufer sve objasniti. Možeš ti biti fini zvanično, a opanjkavati iza leđa, ni na sudu ne vrede snimci uzeti bez tvoje saglasnosti. Druga je stvar kako će te ceniti oni koji pojme da imaš više mišljenja. Ali, to je već pitanje morala, a Kufer moral ne priznaje kao kategoriju.
Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. - Mark Twain.

Lord Kufer

Kako javnost shvata moral - dokaz je u američkoj i drugoj štampi. Kad oni dignu dževu da si nemoralan, ne vrede ti Batina hegelovština i marksizam - ima da te pojede mrak i tačka  :twisted:

Po meni je krajnje nemoralno to da se zakonom reguliše da je jedan čovek uzrok emocijama drugog čoveka. To je krajnje naopako tumačenje formulisano kao zakon kako bi se mogla vršiti represija i kriminalizacija građana.

Može da se dokaže kleveta, ali duševni bol - to je čista manipulacija. A ovaj gore navedeni slučaj je čista "policija misli". Totalitarizam najgore vrste.

Lord Kufer

http://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2012/10/11/Chairman-Harper/

Chairman Harper and the Chinese Sell-Out

Who needs democracy? Secret treaty is a massive giveaway of Canadian resources and rights with no vote in Parliament.

By Nov. 1 three of China's national oil companies will have more power to shape Canada's energy markets as well as challenge the politics of this country than Canadians themselves. And you can thank Prime Minister Stephen Harper for this economic treason.

The new agreement will not only support more foreign takeovers of Canada's natural resources, but pave the way for CNOOC's dramatic $15-billion purchase of Nexen.

That controversial deal, which the majority of ordinary Canadians oppose, represents the largest-ever overseas takeover of any firm by a Chinese national oil company.

Lord Kufer

http://www.vancouversun.com/business/2035/Chinese+nationals+brought+fill+coal+miner+shortage/7365764/story.html#ixzz293NzFms7

Chinese nationals brought in to fill B.C. coal miner shortage

OTTAWA — The first of a group of 200 temporary Chinese workers approved by the federal government will start arriving in B.C. in coming weeks to work in the burgeoning northeast coal industry, a mine project spokeswoman confirmed Tuesday.

In total, anywhere from 1,600 to just under 2,000 Chinese nationals could find full-time work in four projects being proposed in coming years for the region, due to the shortage of underground mining skills in Canada, according to industry officials.

The four projects could create an estimated 480 to 800 full-time mining jobs for Canadians.

Canadians "just don't have the experience" operating the equipment needed to safely extract coal in underground mines, said John Cavanagh, chief executive of Vancouver-based Canadian Dehua International Mines Group Inc., a company founded by China-born Vancouver businessman Naishun Liu.

"Without the Chinese and the technology they're bringing ... these particular mines would not have been developed."

The companies backing the mine projects say their goal is to gradually train Canadians to replace the Chinese.

Cavanagh noted that it will be "many years" between the projected 2015 opening of the first mine and the fourth mine, due to the need for more exploration, mine design, environmental review, and government approval for all projects.

The necessity of foreign workers wasn't mentioned in B.C. Premier Christy Clark's Nov. 9, 2011, news release from Beijing, in which she announced $1.4 billion in Chinese funding for two of the four coal projects.

"This investment clearly shows how confident China is in British Columbia's world-class mining resources and strong investment climate," Clark said.

"These two projects support our B.C. Jobs Plan and according to the companies will create over 6,700 jobs and other economic benefits for British Columbians."



Meho Krljic

Quote from: scallop on 12-10-2012, 16:00:55
Meho, tvoje je pravo da se ne složiš. Uostalom, vidim da će ti Kufer sve objasniti. Možeš ti biti fini zvanično, a opanjkavati iza leđa, ni na sudu ne vrede snimci uzeti bez tvoje saglasnosti. Druga je stvar kako će te ceniti oni koji pojme da imaš više mišljenja. Ali, to je već pitanje morala, a Kufer moral ne priznaje kao kategoriju.

Pa mislim da je jasno da se ovde slažemo. Dakle, to da li ja jedno mišljenje imam prijatelje a drugo za javnost je možda stvar koju mi mogu zameriti prijatelji, neprijatelji i drugi građani, ali ne bi smelo da bude krivično delo.

scallop

EU dobi Nobelovu nagradu za mir. Koga li će sad da bombarduju?
Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. - Mark Twain.


Lord Kufer

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19953167

The Portuguese government has revealed details of its draft budget for 2013, one of the harshest in the country's recent history.

Finance Minister Vitor Gaspar confirmed the average income tax rise would increase from 9.8% in 2012 to 13.2% next year.

Portugal was granted a 78bn-euro ($100bn; £63bn) bailout last year.

Mr Gaspar said the budget was the only way for the country to meet its targets under the bailout.

"We have no room for manoeuvre," he said.

"Asking for more time [under the bailout] would lead us to a dictatorship of debt and to failure."

He also announced spending cuts worth 2.7bn euros next year, which would include laying off 2% of the country's 600,000 public sector employees.

About 2,000 protesters gathered outside parliament on Monday to demand the resignation of the government, chanting: "The people united will never be defeated."
Man blows horn in Lisbon protest Acceptance of austerity measures has turned to anger

Mr Gaspar said the budget would allow Portugal to reduce its budget deficit to 4.5% in 2013. It must eventually get its deficit below the European Union target of 3% of GDP.

Portugal is currently experiencing its worst recession since the 1970s, with the unemployment rate above 15%, and predicted to rise to 16.4% next year.

Opposition Socialist Party leader Antonio Jose Seguro described the draft budget as "a fiscal atomic bomb".

Portugal's main trade union, the CGTP, said it was "an attack on the dignity of the people" and daily newspaper Diario Economico declared it "an insult to the Portuguese people".
Wages hit

As in Spain and Greece, Portugal has seen huge street protests against the austerity cuts that are needed to meet the demands of the bailout.

In September, the government decided not to raise social security contributions next year from 11% to 18% after protests against the proposed move.

A general strike is planned for 14 November.

The income tax rise in the budget amounts to a month's wages for many workers.

The budget also reduces Portugal's income tax brackets from eight to five, and there will be a one-off 4% surcharge tax on all workers' earnings in 2013.

Capital gains tax will increase from 25% to 28%.

The government expects the economy to shrink by at least 3% this year and by 1% next year, although many economists forecast a greater contraction in 2013.

Are you in Portugal? What do you think of the budget? How will it affect you? If you are willing to be interviewed for BBC TV please contact us using the form below.


Yes I am in Portugal. Fuck you!  :evil:

džin tonik

Quote from: scallop on 12-10-2012, 17:52:02
EU dobi Nobelovu nagradu za mir. Koga li će sad da bombarduju?

onih 2% koji prezive verbalne pozive na mir.

Meho Krljic

The Surprising Truth About Internet Censorship In The Middle East

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When it comes to online freedoms around the world, no region has been the subject of more recent scrutiny than has the Middle East.


As the Internet connects more people to one another, religious tensions have become more sensitive than ever before. In some Muslim-majority countries, conservative governments have seized on online censorship as a way to restrict citizens' access to global ideas and materials.
But Islam itself is not to blame for this phenomenon. Authors of a recent Freedom House study found that religion and censorship are not so closely linked -- instead, political and developmental differences may be to blame.

All across the Middle East, the Internet in general and the World Wide Web in particular have recently caused massive changes in a few divergent ways.
In 2010 and 2011, it helped young activists spread information and build bridges between networks, eventually spurring the Arab Spring revolutions that overturned oppressive governments in Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, and Yemen.
In terms of expanding global freedoms, this was a positive outcome -- but it had some detrimental effects. Some governments that were not overthrown, like those of Bahrain and Pakistan, clamped down on Internet freedoms in an effort to prevent further dissent.
Things took a turn for the worse in September, when a YouTube clip produced in the U.S. was dubbed in Arabic and went viral. The video, called "Innocence of Muslims," portrayed Islam's Prophet Muhammad as a buffoon and sexual deviant. Demonstrations erupted in countries as diverse as Indonesia, Saudi Arabia, and Sudan. Dozens died as a result of the protests.
Several Muslim-majority countries banned the film on YouTube, including Egypt, Iran, Libya, and Saudi Arabia. Some governments cited a wish to prevent further violence; others objected to the production's blasphemous nature.
The episode cast fresh doubts on the potential of the Internet to bridge cultures across borders -- especially in conservative Muslim states in the Middle East.
Measuring Up
In an attempt to uncover the various reasons -- and ways -- that countries clamp down on Internet freedoms, the U.S.-based watchdog Freedom House investigated the issue in 47 nations and released a study of its findings this year.
Employing a number of factors ranging from blogger arrests to politically motivated website blockades, the study ranked each country according to its degree of online freedom.
And, as it happens, Islamic countries do not stand out for their degree of censorship.
Iran, the worst country in terms of online freedom, is indeed mostly Muslim. But the second-worst, Cuba, is mostly Christian. And the third-worst, China, has no nominal major religion.
The next two least-free nations are majority-Muslim: Syria and Uzbekistan. But then comes majority-Christian Ethiopia, followed by two countries with Buddhist pluralities: Myanmar and Vietnam.
Looking at the list more broadly, it is admittedly clear that Middle Eastern states tend to be closer to the bottom, whereas Western ones tend to be nearer the top. (The three countries with the most open online policies are Estonia, the U.S., and Germany, in that order.) But it is also clear that the correlation between Islam and increased censorship is tenuous at best.
The Long View
If religious conservatism is not primarily to blame for the proscription of online freedom, what is?
In the Freedom House report, politics and technology emerge as the most identifiable culprits.
Technology works in two ways. It can connect more people and open up the lines of communication, but it can also make it easy for authorities to exert control in sneakier ways. In the past, for instance, an objectionable site may have been simply blocked. Now, government propaganda can masquerade as fact. Users can be surreptitiously tracked as they peruse the Web. Mobile technologies enable security forces to pinpoint activists' exact locations.
And then there is politics, which has an obvious correlation to censorship. According to Freedom House, countries with the lower freedom ratings were those where "authorities sought to quell public calls for reform." That certainly happened quite a bit in the Middle East during the past year, but it also occurred in places such as Russia, Myanmar, and China.
Nonetheless, "14 countries registered a positive trajectory," including Muslim-majority countries such as Libya and Tunisia, where democracy was introduced for the first time in decades.
Success stories aside, the Freedom on the Net 2012 report on worldwide censorship is not favorable overall. Key trends include more bloggers being arrested, more online activists getting physically assaulted, more paid commentators disseminating pro-government propaganda, and higher frequencies of governmental surveillance.
Those who would seek to resist these trends should look not to any particular religion, but to the political realities and technological tools that motivate and enable governmental censorship.


Meho Krljic

I na srodnu temu:

Shut up and play nice: How the Western world is limiting free speech 
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By Jonathan Turley, Published: October 12 Free speech is dying in the Western world. While most people still enjoy considerable freedom of expression, this right, once a near-absolute, has become less defined and less dependable for those espousing controversial social, political or religious views. The decline of free speech has come not from any single blow but rather from thousands of paper cuts of well-intentioned exceptions designed to maintain social harmony.
In the face of the violence that frequently results from anti-religious expression, some world leaders seem to be losing their patience with free speech. After a video called "Innocence of Muslims" appeared on YouTube and sparked violent protests in several Muslim nations last month, U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-moon warned that "when some people use this freedom of expression to provoke or humiliate some others' values and beliefs, then this cannot be protected."
It appears that the one thing modern society can no longer tolerate is intolerance. As Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard put it in her recent speech before the United Nations, "Our tolerance must never extend to tolerating religious hatred."
A willingness to confine free speech in the name of social pluralism can be seen at various levels of authority and government. In February, for instance, Pennsylvania Judge Mark Martin heard a case in which a Muslim man was charged with attacking an atheist marching in a Halloween parade as a "zombie Muhammed." Martin castigated not the defendant but the victim, Ernie Perce, lecturing him that "our forefathers intended to use the First Amendment so we can speak with our mind, not to piss off other people and cultures — which is what you did."
Of course, free speech is often precisely about pissing off other people — challenging social taboos or political values.
This was evident in recent days when courts in Washington and New York ruled that transit authorities could not prevent or delay the posting of a controversial ad that says: "In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized man. Support Israel. Defeat jihad."
When U.S. District Judge Rosemary Collyer said the government could not bar the ad simply because it could upset some Metro riders, the ruling prompted calls for new limits on such speech. And in New York, the Metropolitan Transportation Authority responded by unanimously passing a new regulation banning any message that it considers likely to "incite" others or cause some "other immediate breach of the peace."
Such efforts focus not on the right to speak but on the possible reaction to speech — a fundamental change in the treatment of free speech in the West. The much-misconstrued statement of Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes that free speech does not give you the right to shout fire in a crowded theater is now being used to curtail speech that might provoke a violence-prone minority. Our entire society is being treated as a crowded theater, and talking about whole subjects is now akin to shouting "fire!"
The new restrictions are forcing people to meet the demands of the lowest common denominator of accepted speech, usually using one of four rationales.
Speech is blasphemous
This is the oldest threat to free speech, but it has experienced something of a comeback in the 21st century. After protests erupted throughout the Muslim world in 2005 over Danish cartoons depicting the prophet Muhammad, Western countries publicly professed fealty to free speech, yet quietly cracked down on anti-religious expression. Religious critics in France, Britain, Italy and other countries have found themselves under criminal investigation as threats to public safety. In France, actress and animal rights activist Brigitte Bardot has been fined several times for comments about how Muslims are undermining French culture. And just last month, a Greek atheist was arrested for insulting a famous monk by making his name sound like that of a pasta dish.
Some Western countries have classic blasphemy laws — such as Ireland, which in 2009 criminalized the "publication or utterance of blasphemous matter" deemed "grossly abusive or insulting in relation to matters held sacred by any religion." The Russian Duma recently proposed a law against "insulting religious beliefs." Other countries allow the arrest of people who threaten strife by criticizing religions or religious leaders. In Britain, for instance, a 15-year-old girl was arrested two years agofor burning a Koran.
Western governments seem to be sending the message that free speech rights will not protect you — as shown clearly last month by the images of Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, the YouTube filmmaker, being carted away in California on suspicion of probation violations. Dutch politician Geert Wilders went through years of litigation before he was acquitted last year on charges of insulting Islam by voicing anti-Islamic views. In the Netherlandsand Italy, cartoonists and comedians have been charged with insulting religion through caricatures or jokes.
Even the Obama administration supported the passage of a resolution in the U.N. Human Rights Council to create an international standard restricting some anti-religious speech (its full name: "Combating Intolerance, Negative Stereotyping and Stigmatization of, and Discrimination, Incitement to Violence and Violence Against, Persons Based on Religion or Belief"). Egypt's U.N. ambassador heralded the resolution as exposing the "true nature" of free speech and recognizing that "freedom of expression has been sometimes misused" to insult religion.
At a Washington conference last yearto implement the resolution, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton declared that it would protect both "the right to practice one's religion freely and the right to express one's opinion without fear." But it isn't clear how speech can be protected if the yardstick is how people react to speech — particularly in countries where people riot over a single cartoon. Clinton suggested that free speech resulting in "sectarian clashes" or "the destruction or the defacement or the vandalization of religious sites" was not, as she put it, "fair game."
Given this initiative, President Obama's U.N. address last month declaring America's support for free speech, while laudable, seemed confused — even at odds with his administration's efforts.
Speech is hateful
In the United States, hate speech is presumably protected under the First Amendment. However, hate-crime laws often redefine hateful expression as a criminal act. Thus, in 2003, the Supreme Court addressed the conviction of a Virginia Ku Klux Klan member who burned a cross on private land. The court allowed for criminal penalties so long as the government could show that the act was "intended to intimidate" others. It was a distinction without meaning, since the state can simply cite the intimidating history of that symbol.
Other Western nations routinely bar forms of speech considered hateful. Britain prohibits any "abusive or insulting words" meant "to stir up racial hatred." Canada outlaws "any writing, sign or visible representation" that "incites hatred against any identifiable group." These laws ban speech based not only on its content but on the reaction of others. Speakers are often called to answer for their divisive or insulting speech before bodies like the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal.
This month, a Canadian court ruled that Marc Lemire, the webmaster of a far-right political site, could be punished for allowing third parties to leave insulting comments about homosexuals and blacks on the site. Echoing the logic behind blasphemy laws, Federal Court Justice Richard Mosley ruled that "the minimal harm caused . . . to freedom of expression is far outweighed by the benefit it provides to vulnerable groups and to the promotion of equality."
Speech is discriminatory
Perhaps the most rapidly expanding limitation on speech is found in anti-discrimination laws. Many Western countries have extended such laws to public statements deemed insulting or derogatory to any group, race or gender.
For example, in a closely watched case last year, a French court found fashion designer John Gallianoguilty of making discriminatory comments in a Paris bar, where he got into a cursing match with a couple using sexist and anti-Semitic terms. Judge Anne-Marie Sauteraud read a list of the bad words Galliano had used, adding that she found (rather implausibly) he had said "dirty whore" at least 1,000 times. Though he faced up to six months in jail, he was fined.
In Canada, comedian Guy Earle was charged with violating the human rights of a lesbian couple after he got into a trash-talking session with a group of women during an open-mike night at a nightclub. Lorna Pardysaid she suffered post-traumatic stress because of Earle's profane language and derogatory terms for lesbians. The British Columbia Human Rights Tribunal ruled last year that since this was a matter of discrimination, free speech was not a defense, and awarded about $23,000 to the couple.
Ironically, while some religious organizations are pushing blasphemy laws, religious individuals are increasingly targeted under anti-discrimination laws for their criticism of homosexuals and other groups. In 2008, a minister in Canada was not only forced to pay fines for uttering anti-gay sentiments but was also enjoined from expressing such views in the future.
Speech is deceitful
In the United States, where speech is given the most protection among Western countries, there has been a recent effort to carve out a potentially large category to which the First Amendment would not apply. While we have always prosecuted people who lie to achieve financial or other benefits, some argue that the government can outlaw any lie, regardless of whether the liar secured any economic gain.
One such law was the Stolen Valor Act, signed by President George W. Bush in 2006, which made it a crime for people to lie about receiving military honors. The Supreme Court struck it down this year, but at least two liberal justices, Stephen Breyer and Elena Kagan, proposed that such laws should have less of a burden to be upheld as constitutional. The House responded with new legislation that would criminalize lies told with the intent to obtain any undefined "tangible benefit."
The dangers are obvious. Government officials have long labeled whistleblowers, reporters and critics as "liars" who distort their actions or words. If the government can define what is a lie, it can define what is the truth.
For example, in Februarythe French Supreme Court declared unconstitutional a law that made it a crime to deny the 1915 Armenian genocide by Turkey — a characterization that Turkey steadfastly rejects. Despite the ruling, various French leaders pledged to pass new measures punishing those who deny the Armenians' historical claims.

The impact of government limits on speech has been magnified by even greater forms of private censorship. For example, most news organizations have stopped showing images of Muhammad, though they seem to have no misgivings about caricatures of other religious figures. The most extreme such example was supplied by Yale University Press, which in 2009 published a book about the Danish cartoons titled "The Cartoons That Shook the World" — but cut all of the cartoons so as not to insult anyone.
The very right that laid the foundation for Western civilization is increasingly viewed as a nuisance, if not a threat. Whether speech is deemed imflammatory or hateful or discriminatory or simply false, society is denying speech rights in the name of tolerance, enforcing mutual respect through categorical censorship.
As in a troubled marriage, the West seems to be falling out of love with free speech. Unable to divorce ourselves from this defining right, we take refuge instead in an awkward and forced silence.
jturley@law.gwu.edu
Jonathan Turley is the Shapiro professor of public interest law at George Washington University.
Read more from Outlook:
Ten reasons the U.S. is no longer the land of the free


Meho Krljic

Einstein Letter on Religion and God to Be Auctioned on eBay

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On January 3, 1954 -- one year before his death -- Albert Einstein wrote a letter to Eric B. Gutkind, whose book, Choose Life: The Biblical Call to Revolt, Einstein had recently been reading. The handwritten letter, which is in German, has been kept in good condition over the last six decades will be auctioned off on eBay over the next two weeks. Bidding will begin at $3 million. (An image of the letter is available here.)
In the letter, Einstein offers some pointed and characteristically brief thoughts on God and religion. In a key passage, he writes:
The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this. These subtilised interpretations are highly manifold according to their nature and have almost nothing to do with the original text.*
Despite the dramatic events in the world that he both lived through (e.g. the Holocaust) and directly brought about (e.g. the discovery of the general theory of relativity), Einstein was in many ways remarkably consistent in his feelings about God and religion, and the sentiments in this letter echo those that he had been formulating -- not to mention promulgating -- for decades.
The clearest of those here is Einstein's critique of religion as not sophisticated enough to render the universe as Einstein understood it. This is something he said, or at least hinted at, many times, such as when he wrote to a U.S. Navy ensign that he considered a father-figure-like understanding of God to be a consequence of "childish analogies." Religion, Einstein believed, made a caricature of God.
That's not, however, because Einstein rejected the notion of God, but because he took the idea of God very seriously, elevating it above a religious conception to a mathematical one. To Einstein, the elegance of the physics guiding the universe were God's handiwork, the mark not of a humanlike being that maintains control over the world, but of a divine beauty in nature's laws. As Walter Issacson wrote in his biography, following a religious phase in childhood, Einstein retained "a profound reverence for the harmony and beauty of what he called the mind of God as it was expressed in the creation of the universe and its laws."
Einstein's God -- deeply shaped by the ideas of Baruch Spinoza -- was a "superior reasoning power, which is revealed in the incomprehensible universe," he wrote. His religion followed from there. As Isaacson tells it:
One evening in Berlin, Einstein and his wife were at a dinner party when a guest expressed a belief in astrology. Einstein ridiculed the notion as pure superstition. Another guest stepped in and similarly disparaged religion. Belief in God, he insisted, was likewise a superstition.
At this point the host tried to silence him by invoking the fact that even Einstein harbored religious beliefs.
"It isn't possible!" the skeptical guest said, turning to Einstein to ask if he was, in fact, religious.
"Yes, you can call it that," Einstein replied calmly. "Try and penetrate with our limited means the secrets of nature and you will find that, behind all the discernible laws and connections, there remains something subtle, intangible and inexplicable. Veneration for this force beyond anything that we can comprehend is my religion. To that extent I am, in fact, religious."
In a 1930 essay, Einstein expressed this another way: "To sense that behind anything that can be experienced there is something that our minds cannot grasp, whose beauty and sublimity reaches us only indirectly: this is religiousness. In this sense, and in this sense only, I am a devoutly religious man."
Prayer would have little influence over such a God and have no role in Einstein's personal religion. "Scientific research is based on the idea that everything that takes place is determined by laws of nature, and this holds for the actions of people," he told a sixth-grade girl. "For this reason, a scientist will hardly be inclined to believe that events could be influenced by a prayer, i.e. by a wish addressed to a supernatural Being."
All of this squares with Einstein's letter now on auction. The religion of the Bible was too provincial, too small, to contain the God Einstein revered. That God, the one he found in physics and who inspired his science, deserved more. But, nevertheless, Einstein didn't believe that differing views on God should interfere with the development of understanding among men. Supernatural matters were abstract, disconnected from the exigencies of the 20th century. In closing his letter to Gutkind he wrote, "Now that I have quite openly stated our differences in intellectual convictions it is still clear to me that we are quite close to each other in essential things, i.e; in our evaluations of human behavior. What separates us are only intellectual 'props' and 'rationalization' in Freud's language. Therefore I think that we would understand each other quite well if we talked about concrete things."


*Editor's note: A commenter has pointed out that the German word for "childish" does not seem to be in the original German and the translation instead should be something more like "honorable but quite primitive" full stop. The translations from the Isaacson text are all accurate.




raindelay

Ma pusti Ajnstajna i te gluposti, nego evo mnogo znacajnije vesti:

Naco Vidal clan Trijade!!! xjap

Porn star caught in Spanish raid on Chinese mob

...Among those arrested was Nacho Vidal, an international porn star credited in titles such as "Sexcapades" and "The Sexual Messiah 2″.

He ran a company that was suspected of taking part in the money-laundering, said the court official, who asked not to be named.

The Internet Movie Database describes him as "one of the most popular and hard-working men on the hardcore scene"...

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/10/16/porn-star-caught-in-spanish-raid-on-chinese-mob/
I WAS ANTI-OBAMA BEFORE IT WAS COOL

Barbarin

Jeremy Clarkson:
"After an overnight flight back to London, I find myself wondering once again if babies should travel with the baggage"

Meho Krljic

Quote from: raindelay on 17-10-2012, 11:30:10
Ma pusti Ajnstajna i te gluposti, nego evo mnogo znacajnije vesti:

Naco Vidal clan Trijade!!! xjap

Oooooh!!!!!!!!!! To samo dodaje Načovoj harizmi  :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:

marlowe

ESTONIJA na prvi pogled izgleda kao zemlja kakvu bi mnogi poželjeli. Gospodarska kriza jedva da ju je i dotakla, a BDP je na visokih osam posto, no nešto u toj zemlji gospodarskog čuda ipak ne štima. Naime, radna snaga masovno je napušta, a mnogi više ne žele živjeti u Estoniji posebice ne u Talinnu. Zašto? Analiza koju je napravio Deutsche Welle daje odgovore na mnoga pitanja, a njihov zaključak dostatan je i da se Hrvatska zapita idemo li u željenom pravcu.

Nastavnici jedva sastavljaju kraj s krajem

"Gospodarski rast od osam posto se međutim između ostalog može zahvaliti padu plaća i mirovina. Osim toga, od gospodarskog uzleta profitiraju uglavnom bolje obrazovani u većim gradovima poput metropole Tallinna. Izvan većih urbanih središta stanovništvo jedva sastavlja kraj s krajem", navodi DW u svojoj analizi Estonije dodajući da situacija nije bolja ni za zaposlene u javnim službama jer primjerice nastavnici u prosjeku zarađuju oko 500 eura mjesečno što je nedostatno za život u Tallinnu gdje su stanarine ali i cijene hrane dosegnule zapadnoeuropsku razinu.

Rezultat svega je da se mnogi odlučuju za odlazak u obližnju Finsku pa samo Helsinkiju živi i radi preko 40.000 Estonaca.

Uzorno gospodarstvo s nevjerojatnim padom standarda

"Problem s iseljavanjem je vidljiv i iz statističkih podataka zbog kojih vlasti zvone na uzbunu. Po prvi put od osamostaljenja, broj stanovnika Estonije pao je ispod granice od 1,3 milijuna. U posljednja dva desetljeća Estonija je izgubila 18 posto stanovništva.", stoji u analizi DW-a u kojoj se naglašava kako problem nije samo ekonomske prirode već i natalitet.

Estonski ministar financija Jürgen Ligi svjestan je problema odnosno da je iseljavanje posljedica čeličnih gospodarskih reformi koje su baltičku zemlje doduše učinile "uzornim učenikom" unutar EU-a ali su prouzročile i pad standarda.

Kupovna moć sve niža

"Pozitivni gospodarski pokazatelji i niska nezaposlenost ne mogu sakriti činjenicu da je kupovna moć građana sve niža. Već i oni koji dobivaju prosječnu plaću od oko 800 eura jedva sastavljaju kraj s krajem. Situacija s umirovljenicima, zbog prosječne mirovine od 320 eura, još je gora", stoji u analizi DW-a.
Fly like a butterfly,
Sting like a bee.

raindelay

Generalni strajk u Grckoj. Povremeno odlicnan fajt sa policijom.
Direktno ovde:

http://www.zougla.gr/radio

I WAS ANTI-OBAMA BEFORE IT WAS COOL

Meho Krljic

Dobro je, Kastro je živ i dobro se oseća, tvrdi bivši potpredsednik Venecuele:

Fidel Castro alive and well - Chavez aide 
Quote
    HAVANA (Reuters) - Fidel Castro is alive and well, according to Elias Jaua, a former Venezuelan vice president who said he met with the Cuban revolutionary leader over the weekend.
Squelching rumours that Castro was at death's door, Jaua, an aide to Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, on Sunday showed reporters pictures of the meeting on Saturday and said Castro, 86, was in good health and lucid.
Jaua, who is running for governor in Venezuela's contested state of Miranda, said Castro accompanied him to Havana's famed Hotel National early on Saturday evening after their meeting. He chatted briefly with the hotel's general manager, Antonio Martinez Rodriguez, before departing.
Castro's long absence from the public eye has fuelled blogger and Twitter rumours for weeks that he was dead or near dying.
"Yes, he was here yesterday, the same old Fidel with his beard and pink cheeks. He was fine," Martinez told Reuters.
Castro was reportedly in a gray modified Mercedes van and did not leave the vehicle.
Apart from the comments by Jaua and Martinez, and the pictures shown to the media, there was no independent confirmation that anyone had actually seen the former leader.
Cuban television news reported the meeting and Castro's appearance at the hotel on Sunday evening.
"The national press will publish tomorrow an article of Fidel's, along with pictures of his meeting with the former Venezuelan vice president," the announcer said.
After resigning the presidency in 2008, Castro regularly wrote columns for the state press, but has not published one since June 19. His last few columns were widely viewed as so oddball that they raised questions about his mental state.
Only his Twitter account has been active but all the tweets are simply links in the press. Twitter accounts in the name of politicians and other people in the public eye are often run largely by their aides.
Castro's last known public appearance was in March when he met briefly with Pope Benedict during a visit to the Communist island. Although Castro appeared mentally sharp, he had trouble walking and was badly stooped.
Chavez, a close friend and ally, has said on several occasions that Castro is well. Last week Castro's son Alex said his father was exercising and doing fine.
A letter from Castro congratulating a Havana medical institute on its 50th anniversary was splashed across the front pages of Cuban newspapers on Thursday in his first appearance in print in four months.
The letter and an accompanying story, which took up the entire first page of the Communist Party newspaper Granma, appeared to be an attempt to dampen rumours about his health.
However, the letter, published with Castro's signature and dated October 17, did little to end speculation over his health, with many questioning its authenticity.
(Editing by Christopher Wilson)   

Barbarin

Jeremy Clarkson:
"After an overnight flight back to London, I find myself wondering once again if babies should travel with the baggage"

Meho Krljic

China rare earths producer suspends output

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BEIJING (AP) — China's biggest rare earths producer has suspended production in an effort to shore up plunging prices of the materials used by makers of mobile phones and other high-tech products.
State-owned Baotou Steel Rare Earth (Group) Hi-tech Co. said in a statement released through the Shanghai Stock Exchange that it suspended production Tuesday to promote "healthy development" of rare earths prices. It gave no indication when production would resume and phone calls to the company on Thursday were not answered.
Beijing is tightening control over rare earths mining and exports to capture more of the profits that flow to Western makers of lightweight batteries and other products made of rare earths. China has about 30 percent of rare earths deposits but accounts for more than 90 percent of production.
Beijing alarmed global manufacturers by imposing export quotas in 2009. It also is trying to force Chinese rare earths miners and processors to consolidate into a handful of government-controlled groups.
Baotou Steel Rare Earth announced a similar one-month halt to production last October, also in an attempt to push up prices by reducing supplies.
The United States, the European Union and Japan have challenged China's quotas in the World Trade Organization as a violation of its free-trade commitments. Beijing has defended its controls as necessary to safeguard a scarce resource and minimize environmental damage from mining.
Rare earths are 17 minerals used in goods including hybrid cars, weapons, flat-screen TVs, mobile phones, mercury-vapor lights and camera lenses. The United States, Canada, Australia and other countries also have rare earths but most mining stopped in the 1990s as lower-cost Chinese ores came on the market.
The global economic slowdown has hurt demand, pushing down rare earths prices. Some manufacturers have been prompted by the Chinese controls to switch to alternative materials.
Beijing's trading partners complain its export controls push up rare earths prices abroad and give buyers in China an unfair advantage.
The price of one rare earth, lanthanum oxide, has fallen 65 percent on global markets since the start of this year to $15 per kilogram this week, according to Lynas Corp., an Australian miner. But that still is nearly double price of $9 per kilogram paid by buyers in China.
Other rare earths have shown similar price declines and a wide margin between prices in China and abroad.

džin tonik

S. Koreja: Raznijeli ga bombom jer je popio piće, a trebao je žalovati
Kim Jong-un naredio je da se bivšeg ministra sravni sa zemljom pa da iza njega ne ostane ni vlas kose. Pio je za vrijeme sto dana žalovanja


QuoteJužnokorejski mediji probili su informacijski zid sjevernog susjeda i objavili da je visoki dužnosnik vojske Sjeverne Koreje brutalno pogubljen jer je tijekom sto dana žalovanja za Dragim vođom popio čašu alkoholnog pića, doznaje Daily Mail.

Kim Chol bivši je zamjenik ministra vojske, a morao je stati na metu nakon čega su ga raznijeli minobacačem.

Pogubljenje se dogodio u siječnju ove godine, a naredbu je izdao vođin nasljednik Kim Jong-un koji je navodno kazao da Kima Chola treba sravniti sa zemljom tako da iza njega ne ostane ni trag, pa čak ni kosa.

Stotinu dana žalovanja uključivalo je suzdržavanje od svih užitaka kako bi se odala počast preminulom Kim Jong-ilu.

Barbarin

Jeremy Clarkson:
"After an overnight flight back to London, I find myself wondering once again if babies should travel with the baggage"

Barbarin



EVER WONDER ON WHAT CRITERIA DO THE FASCIST 1% ELITISTS CHOOSE THEIR NEXT TARGET?

The Rothschild family is slowly but surely having their Central banks established in every country of this world, giving them incredible amount of wealth and power.

In the year of 2000 there were seven countries without a Rothschild owned Central Bank:
Afghanistan
Iraq
Sudan
Libya
Cuba
North Korea
Iran

It is not a coincidence that these country, which are listed above were and are still being under attack by the western media, since one of the main reasons these countries have been under attack in the first place is because they do not have a Rothschild owned Central Bank yet. The first step in having a Central Bank establish in a country is to get them to accept outrageous loans, which puts the country in debt of the Central Bank and under the control of the Rothschild dynasty. If the country leaders are ethical and cant be bought (South American leaders are a good example) does not accept the loan, the leader of this particular country will be targeted by economic hit-men and embargo's (for blackmail), than if blackmail doesn't work, that president is targeted for assassination and a Rothschild aligned leader will be put into the position, and if the assassination does not work, the country will be invaded and have a Central Bank established with force all under the name of terrorism.

Rothschild owned Central Bank:

Central banks are illegally created private banks that are owned by the Rothschild banking family. The family has been around for more than 230 years and has slithered its way into each country on this planet, threatened every world leader and their governments and cabinets with physical and economic death and destruction, and then placed their own people in these central banks to control and manage each country's pocketbook. Worse, the Rothschilds also control the machinations of each government at the macro level, not concerning themselves with the daily vicissitudes of our individual personal lives. Except when we get too far out of line.

The only countries left in 2003 without a Central Bank owned by the Rothschild Family were:
Sudan
Libya
Cuba
North Korea
Iran

The Attacks of September 11th were an inside job to invade Afghanistan and Iraq to then establish a Central Bank in those countries.

The only countries left in 2011 without a Central Bank owned by the Rothschild Family are:
Cuba
North Korea
Iran

After the instigated protests and riots in the Arab countries the Rothschild finally paved their way into establishing Central Banks, and getting rid of many leaders, which put them into more power.
Jeremy Clarkson:
"After an overnight flight back to London, I find myself wondering once again if babies should travel with the baggage"

Ugly MF

ovaj Rothschild isti Palpatin...


a i prezime sve govori...trulez jos od deteta :)

Usul

http://thewaltdisneycompany.com/disney-news/press-releases/2012/10/disney-acquire-lucasfilm-ltd
Disney to acquire LucasFilms
Quote
October 30, 2012DISNEY TO ACQUIRE LUCASFILM LTD.An investor conference call will take place at approximately 4:30 p.m. EDT / 1:30 p.m. PDT today, October 30, 2012.  Details for the call are listed in the release.....
God created Arrakis to train the faithful.

Meho Krljic

Interesantan eksperiment:

Given Tablets but No Teachers, Ethiopian Children Teach Themselves 
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A bold experiment by the One Laptop Per Child organization has shown "encouraging" results.



With 100 million first-grade-aged children worldwide having no access to schooling, the One Laptop Per Child organization is trying something new in two remote Ethiopian villages—simply dropping off tablet computers with preloaded programs and seeing what happens.

The goal: to see if illiterate kids with no previous exposure to written words can learn how to read all by themselves, by experimenting with the tablet and its preloaded alphabet-training games, e-books, movies, cartoons, paintings, and other programs.


Early observations are encouraging, said Nicholas Negroponte, OLPC's founder, at MIT Technology Review's EmTech conference last week.
The devices involved are Motorola Xoom tablets—used together with a solar charging system, which Ethiopian technicians had taught adults in the village to use.  Once a week, a technician visits the villages and swaps out memory cards so that researchers can study how the machines were actually used.
After several months, the kids in both villages were still heavily engaged in using and recharging the machines, and had been observed reciting the "alphabet song," and even spelling words. One boy, exposed to literacy games with animal pictures, opened up a paint program and wrote the word "Lion."
The experiment is being done in two isolated rural villages with about 20 first-grade-aged children each, about 50 miles from Addis Ababa. One village is called Wonchi, on the rim of a volcanic crater at 11,000 feet; the other is called Wolonchete, in the Great Rift Valley. Children there had never previously seen printed materials, road signs, or even packaging that had words on them, Negroponte said.
Earlier this year, OLPC workers dropped off closed boxes containing the tablets, taped shut, with no instruction. "I thought the kids would play with the boxes. Within four minutes, one kid not only opened the box, found the on-off switch ... powered it up. Within five days, they were using 47 apps per child, per day. Within two weeks, they were singing ABC songs in the village, and within five months, they had hacked Android," Negroponte said. "Some idiot in our organization or in the Media Lab had disabled the camera, and they figured out the camera, and had hacked Android."
Elaborating later on Negroponte's hacking comment, Ed McNierney, OLPC's chief technology officer, said that the kids had gotten around OLPC's effort to freeze desktop settings. "The kids had completely customized the desktop—so every kids' tablet looked different.  We had installed software to prevent them from doing that," McNierney said. "And the fact they worked around it was clearly the kind of creativity, the kind of inquiry, the kind of discovery that we think is essential to learning."
"If they can learn to read, then they can read to learn," Negroponte said (see "Emtech Preview: Another Way to Think About Learning").
In an interview after his talk, Negroponte said that while the early results are promising, reaching conclusions about whether children could learn to read this way would require more time. "If it gets funded, it would need to continue for another a year and a half to two years to come to a conclusion that the scientific community would accept," Negroponte said. "We'd have to start with a new village and make a clean start."
The idea of dropping off tablets outside of the context of schools is a new paradigm for OLPC. Through the late 2000s, the company was focused on delivering a custom miniaturized and ruggedized laptop, the XO, of which about 3 million have been distributed to kids in 40 countries. Deployments went to schools including ones in Peru (see "Una Laptop por Nino").
Giving computers directly to poor kids without any instruction is even more ambitious than OLPC's earlier pushes. "What can we do for these 100 million kids around the world who don't go to school?" McNierney said. "Can we give them tool to read and learn—without having to provide schools and teachers and textbooks and all that?"

Lord Kufer

Usraće se od ovih rezultata. Treba to staviti pod kontrolu.

Meho Krljic

Aujebote, kakav užas... pa ti posle pucaj u vazduh na svadbi  :cry:
  Celebratory gunfire at Saudi wedding cuts cable, 23 electrocuted

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    RIYADH (Reuters) - Celebratory gunfire at a wedding party in eastern Saudi Arabia on Tuesday night brought down an electric cable, killing 23 people, a local civil defense official said.
"At the wedding, the cable fell on a metal door and the 23 people who died were all electrocuted," Eastern Province official Abdullah Khashman said by phone.
A photograph of the aftermath of the accident, published on local newspapers' websites showed a large courtyard strewn with fallen chairs and a pole in the middle supporting cables carrying lightbulbs.
All those killed were from the same tribe, Khashman said. Thirty others were injured in the incident near Abqaiq, a center of the Saudi energy industry.
Saudi Arabia banned the shooting of firearms at weddings, a popular tradition in tribal areas of the conservative Islamic kingdom, last month.
Eastern Province governor Prince Mohammed bin Fahd ordered an investigation into the incident, the official Saudi Press Agency reported.
(Reporting by Angus McDowall; Editing by Louise Ireland)   

Naravno, tek kad pogledate komentare shvatite kako je lako biti bezosećajan i rasista i sve to. A Saudijska Arabija je zapadnjački saveznik....

Ghoul

https://ljudska_splacina.com/

Melkor

Cek, oni su proslog meseca zabranili pucanje po svadbama a ova elektrokucija se sad dogodila? Kuferu, reaguj!!!
"Realism is a literary technique no longer adequate for the purpose of representing reality."

Lord Kufer

Drago mi je da u glavnom tekstu postoji link koji objašnjava šta je toelectric cable, al s druge strane, nedostaje fotografija koja bi možda pokazala šta se zaista dogodilo.

Na koji način su svatovi bili povezani s metalnim vratima? Jesu li se držali za ruke igrajući kolce?

Je li to bio ciljani električni udar na određenu genetsku (plemensku) strukturu?

Ko je pucao?

Koje su im marke mobilni?

Konzervativna islamska kraljevina - pa, to je pleonazam!  :roll:

EVo ovde neke fotke, ali je sasvim nejasna.
http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/saudi-arabia/25-people-killed-in-saudi-arabia-wedding-fire-1.1096133
http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/10/31/246776.html


Kao da ima neki zid koji je srušen, dole s desne strane...

Ima i jedna mala vrata...

"In line with traditions in the Gulf, wedding celebrations in Saudi Arabia are segregated.

Most of the casualties were women, and they died as they attempted to escape through the electrified metal door, the Civil Defense sources told Al Arabiya.

Many of the victims were electrocuted as they attempted to leave the building, the Saudi-based news website Sabq reported."

***

"In July 1999, 76 people died in a similar incident in Eastern Province.

In 2009, a wedding tent fire caused the death 57 women and children in Kuwait. The fire was started allegedly by a 23-year-old woman who wanted to ruin the marriage of her husband with a second wife."

varvarin

U današnjoj POLITICI ima vrlo interesantan razgovor s ovim Jevrejinom (uporno ga predstavljaju kao profesora i gosta na Sajmu knjiga - kad ono, čovek priča kao ekspert za bezbesnost, a bio gost i naših specijalnih jedinica...  :mrgreen:  )

http://www.politika.rs/rubrike/Drustvo/Evropa-ce-se-suociti-s-hugenotskim-ratovima.sr.html

Европа ће се суочити с хугенотским ратовима
Брзи раст броја муслимана у Европи, који је сада испод 15 одсто становништва, и равноправност полова, која значи мање деце, увећавају шансе да те ратове и сам видим за пет-шест година...

IZ RAZGOVORA:


" ...Куда то води?
Свет ће бити сличан средњем веку, а и црква ће имати знатну улогу у таквом свету. Држава је некада јачала на рачун остатка друштва, а сада она слаби.

Да ли је то реч је о повратку у прошлост?
Не сасвим, ствари се никада не понављају, али у много чему да. Био сам код генерала из команде специјалних јединица полиције и видео много сувенира других јединица, које је он посетио или су команданти других јединица посетили њега. Заједно су тренирали, можда су повремено и радили заједно, можда су повремено размењивали информације. Размишљао сам о средњем веку када је витешка класа различитих земаља осећала међусобну солидарност, а не солидарност према својим кметовима. Ствари ће се све снажније развијати у том правцу. Неће то бити повратак у средњи век, у коме уосталом није било компјутера, али је много тачака сличности. Чак су и војни термин све сличнији онима из 16. века и раније, а не терминима из Другог светског рата или из ратова у време индустрије револуције. Колико ће тај повратак у прошлост ићи далеко и шта ће све тачно донети тек ћемо видети.
...
На основу чега то закључујете?
Историјски гледано, када мањина доспе до 20 одсто прави проблеме. Иако је сада 30 милиона муслимана у Европи, што је испод 15 одсто становништва, тај постотак врло брзо расте због миграција. Други узрок тог раста је равноправност полова, која значи мање деце.  (ALI ZA KOGA ???  :mrgreen:  ) Та два фактора заједно делују и све сам убеђенији да су шансе да те ратове и сам видим све веће, за неких пет-шест година...."

Father Jape

Ih, Izraelac histeriše o islamskoj pretnji, so what else is new?
Blijedi čovjek na tragu pervertita.
To je ta nezadrživa napaljenost mladosti.
Dušman u odsustvu Dušmana.

varvarin

Ako već očekuješ verski rat u Evropi za deset godina, onda stvarno nema ništa novo.

raindelay

Ma to je stara prica o tome sta rade balije kada dostignu odredjeni procenat u nekoj drzavi:

From Dr. Hammond's research.

Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system.

Islam has religious, legal, political, economic and military components.
The religious component is a beard for all the other components.

Islamization occurs when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to
agitate for their so-called 'religious rights.'

When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to 'the
reasonable' Muslim demands for their 'religious rights,' they also get
the other components under the table. Here's how it works (percentages
source CIA: The World Fact Book (2007)).

As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country
they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to
anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped
for their colorful uniqueness:

United States -- Muslim 1.0%
Australia -- Muslim 1.5%
Canada -- Muslim 1.9%
China -- Muslim 1%-2%
Italy -- Muslim 1.5%
Norway -- Muslim 1.8%

At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and
disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street
gangs:

Denmark -- Muslim 2%
Germany -- Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%
Spain -- Muslim 4%
Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their
percentage of the population.

They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards)
food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will
increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves --
along with threats for failure to comply. (United States).

France -- Muslim 8%
Philippines -- Muslim 5%
Sweden -- Muslim 5%
Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad &Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them
to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of
Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the
entire world.

When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness
as a means of complaint about their conditions (Paris -- car-burnings).
Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and
threats (Amsterdam -- Mohammed cartoons).

Guyana -- Muslim 10%
India -- Muslim 13.4%
Israel -- Muslim 16%
Kenya -- Muslim 10%
Russia -- Muslim 10-15%

After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations,
sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:

Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%

At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and
ongoing militia warfare:

Bosnia -- Muslim 40%
Chad -- Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%

From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other
religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a
weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:

Albania -- Muslim 70%
Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4%
Qatar -- Muslim 77.5%
Sudan -- Muslim 70%

After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide:

Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%
Egypt -- Muslim 90%
Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%
Iran -- Muslim 98%
Iraq -- Muslim 97%
Jordan -- Muslim 92%
Morocco -- Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan -- Muslim 97%
Palestine -- Muslim 99%
Syria -- Muslim 90%
Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%
Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%

100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic House of
Peace -- there's supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim:

Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%
Somalia -- Muslim 100%
Yemen -- Muslim 99.9%

Of course, that's not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then
start killing each other for a variety of reasons
I WAS ANTI-OBAMA BEFORE IT WAS COOL

Mme Chauchat

Quote from: varvarin on 04-11-2012, 14:37:54
Историјски гледано, када мањина доспе до 20 одсто прави проблеме. Иако је сада 30 милиона муслимана у Европи, што је испод 15 одсто становништва, тај постотак врло брзо расте због миграција. Други узрок тог раста је равноправност полова, која значи мање деце.  (ALI ZA KOGA ???  :mrgreen:  ) Та два фактора заједно делују и све сам убеђенији да су шансе да те ратове и сам видим све веће, за неких пет-шест година...."
Uvek volim da vidim kako se ravnopravnost polova (tm) proglašava uzročnikom nekog budućeg rata, to mi prosto ulepša dan -.-
A obaška, opšte je poznato da bi muškarci, svi do jednog i bez izuzetka, hteli i mogli po petoro dece, stvar kvare te proklete ravnopravne žene...

Lord Kufer

Verski ratovi su uvek rešavali problem migracije jeftine radne snage.

scallop

Religijska i socijalna uverenja nikad nisu trezvena.
Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. - Mark Twain.

džin tonik

ako vasom glavom cesto prolaze pametne misli, to znaci da se tamo ne zadrzavaju.

scallop

Ako vašom glavom ne prolaze, ne znači da ih nema.
Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. - Mark Twain.

angel011

Quote from: Jevtropijevićka on 04-11-2012, 14:47:05
Quote from: varvarin on 04-11-2012, 14:37:54
Историјски гледано, када мањина доспе до 20 одсто прави проблеме. Иако је сада 30 милиона муслимана у Европи, што је испод 15 одсто становништва, тај постотак врло брзо расте због миграција. Други узрок тог раста је равноправност полова, која значи мање деце.  (ALI ZA KOGA ???  ) Та два фактора заједно делују и све сам убеђенији да су шансе да те ратове и сам видим све веће, за неких пет-шест година...."
Uvek volim da vidim kako se ravnopravnost polova (tm) proglašava uzročnikom nekog budućeg rata, to mi prosto ulepša dan -.-
A obaška, opšte je poznato da bi muškarci, svi do jednog i bez izuzetka, hteli i mogli po petoro dece, stvar kvare te proklete ravnopravne žene...

Onda će ti se dopasti i ovo:

QuoteРодној равноправности дајете велики значај у својим анализама?

Равноправност полова је форма националног самоубиства, износим у својој књизи аргументе за ту тврдњу. Феминизација друштва је велики проблем.
We're all mad here.