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Ugly MF

Quote from: Harley Quinn on 25-07-2016, 17:24:47
Quote from: Anomander Rejk on 25-07-2016, 15:36:40
Na tvoju žalost, volim suprotni pol,

Nema veze, čula sam da se mnogi okreću istom polu u slučaju neuspeha kod suprotnog. Tako da imaš još fore da se srećno udaš.  :lol: :lol: :lol:

Bravo,Harli!
To potvrđuje moje tvrdnje da lezbejke ne postoje!

Harley Quinn

Quote from: Ugly MF on 25-07-2016, 21:53:47
Bravo,Harli!
To potvrđuje moje tvrdnje da lezbejke ne postoje!

Kako, bre, ne postoje? Evo, ja sam blizu da postanem jedna. Dosadili su mi muškarci.  :lol:

Quote from: zosko on 25-07-2016, 17:43:21
kad dobijes reakciju, opet ces probiti glavu bobanu kuknjavom i glumljenjem zrtve.

Samo da se razumemo - nisam Bobanu izbijala glavu i ne znam gde i od koga si to čuo, pošto si poznat po tome da menjaš mišljenje o ljudima kao maramice, u zavisnosti od toga ko manipuliše tobom i koje laži i tračeve izmišlja (budući da mnogo vas jednostavno izmišlja stvari, meni uopšte nije čudno što me Boban zove podlom i spletkarom, neću ni da počnem da otkrivam izmišljotine o sebi, ne zanimate me), ili samo blefiraš. Jednom sam se žalila na tvoje pisanje na mojoj temi o časopisu, i to samo zato jer bih ja bila banovana da sam ti odgovorila. I to što bih mogla da budem banovana ako odgovorim je uvek razlog zašto odlučim da kažem Bobanu, umesto da se direktno sukobim sa osobom. Boban ima naviku da me banuje u svakoj prilici. Veruj mi, najradije bih ja bila ta koja može sve da ti saspe u lice nakon što kreneš sa svojim tiradama, ali Boban je bolećiv prema tebi. Valjda jer si muško.  :roll:

Znam da je lakše da misliš da je neko drugi skot, umesto da to misliš o sebi, ali pokušaj da ne čitaš ono čega nema + da ne postuješ u mojoj temi o časopisu. Ne obraćam ti se, ne obraćaj mi se.


Ugly MF

Quote from: Harley Quinn on 26-07-2016, 03:06:59


Kako, bre, ne postoje? Evo, ja sam blizu da postanem jedna. Dosadili su mi muškarci.  :lol:




Nisi dala šansu odgovarajućem, i to je to.
Ali navijam za tebe, u svakom slučaju!

Aco Popara Zver

zosko, izgleda da nam je obojici lakše da mislimo da je neko drugi bolesni skot :)
šta će mi bogatstvo i svecka slava sva kada mora umreti lepa Nirdala

Meho Krljic

Šteta što ni jedan od vas dvojice nije lekar pa da to mišljenje bude na korist čovečanstva  8) 8) 8)




Harley Quinn

E, ako ces ti nekome da budes reper za normalnost i neskotizam, bato, onda taj sigurno zna da nije skot i da nije bolestan.  :roll:

Agli, to se kaze drugacije-davala sam sansu onima koji ni izdaleka to nisu zasluzili.

Ugly MF

I tvoje i moje stoji, obje su istine,tvoja je o jednoj vrsti muškaraca iz prošlosti, moja o drugoj vrsti u sadašnjosti.


Ugly MF

Jei! World today iz bjutiful! Aj got a kiss!!! :)

Aco Popara Zver

Мехо, био је на форуму и један психолог, тако да су скупљене релевантне информације!
šta će mi bogatstvo i svecka slava sva kada mora umreti lepa Nirdala

Harley Quinn

bah, necu da se bakcem sa vama.

Jedni o drugima privatno pricate ruzne stvari (ukljucujuci i Mehu, kome Boban treba da dodeli sagitaski orden za licemerje) a ovde glumite drugare. Kamo srece da ovde ima psihologa. I psihijatar bi bio od koristi.

Meho Krljic

WTF? O kome sam sad privatno pričao ružne stvari???? I zašto je sad to kao nekakav primer licemerja? Ako smatram da je neko odvratna osoba* i to kažem nekome u privatnom razgovoru to ne znači da ću na javnom mestu, kad sretnem osobu koja je predmet razgovora da joj u lice saspem da je odvratna ili da podignem glas i kažem "Narode, ova osoba je odvratna!!!!". Valjda je prirodno da postoji ponašanje na javnom mestu koje podrazumeva da se ružne stvari ne pričaju jer bi zatrovale komunikaciju?










* ili naporna osoba, lažljiva osoba, osoba koja namerno širi neku zarazu, osoba koja je sujetna do neizdrživog stepena, osoba koja je samo jako dosadna itd.

Ugly MF

Ne vredi ti Mexane da ostaješ neopredeljeno neutralan sproću raznih frakcija! :D
Ima da se definišeš i opredeliš i da se fajtaš za svoje opredeljenje kao najkonzervativniji zatucanik!!!
Najne neutralis liberalis evribadilovesičadrs!!!
Stav čvrsto u ruku pa oštro po neistomišljenicima!
Ko s' bubnjarske palice!

Meho Krljic

Pa ja argumentujem svoje opredeljenje, nadam se ne SUVIŠE napadno, samo se ne vidim pripadnikom ikakvih frakcija  :cry:

Ugly MF

Ali ja ti to i pričam, MORAŠ da stvoriš svoju,definišeš je, jasno etiketiraš, pa makar bio ti jedini u njoj(najverovatnije).
Verovatno se to što ja pokušavam da opišem nekad u narodu nazivali Ličnost, Persona kako oćeš, ali ispada da ovde ovim slovcima po forumima svojim rečima i Avatarom to i jesmo.
Ispada ovo uvek se završi ratom za ili protiv ličnosti brez obzira koja je tema....

Dybuk

Pa Ugly, ni ti bas ne pripadas nekoj "frakciji", ako ne racunamo bozansku frakciju 8-)

Ugly MF


Dybuk

Vjera ti ne dozvoljava!!!!

verovatno ni Mehu... ;)

Aco Popara Zver

Vjera ili... Vjerica? 8-)

inače, Tramp se slizao s Čajankom, polako mijenja i stav prema NATO, jedino još odbacivanje trgovinskih ugovora nije eliminisao... šmrc, Tramp, a bio si ok tip
šta će mi bogatstvo i svecka slava sva kada mora umreti lepa Nirdala

džin tonik

Quote from: Meho Krljic on 26-07-2016, 10:49:20
Šteta što ni jedan od vas dvojice nije lekar pa da to mišljenje bude na korist čovečanstva  8) 8) 8)

aha! sad ti vise nije dovoljno da privatno mrzis, krenule su i javne prozivke istaknutih sagitaskih velikana poput bate i mene, konkurencije... ali nikad neces osvojti topic o procitanim stripovima! sve, ali stripiove ne dam, to je moje, 50 godina stvaram taj topic! :lol: :roll:

Agota

Quote from: Meho Krljic on 26-07-2016, 10:49:20
Šteta što ni jedan od vas dvojice nije lekar pa da to mišljenje bude na korist čovečanstva  8) 8) 8)











xcheers


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tJYN-eG1zk
This is a gift, it comes with a price. Who is the lamb and who is the knife. Midas is king and he holds me so tight. And turns me to gold in the sunlight ...


Dybuk

Naravno.

na sve se covek navikne, pa i na obezbedjenje te konsekventne redove na svim javnim mestima, turistickim lokacijama, trznim centrima, osim mozda kafica.

pa opet mi se cini da je i to nedovoljno. ko nesto naumi da uradi, to ce i sprovesti u delo.

Meho Krljic

Banke su realno jedva dočekale Bregzit da bi kukale kako im je teško i krenule sa eliminacijom radnih mesta:



Brexit shockwaves hit British jobs, banks, automobiles


QuoteLONDON (Reuters) - Shockwaves from Britain's vote to leave the European Union rocked the economy on Thursday, with thousands of jobs lost at one of the country's biggest banks, big extra costs for Ford, and consumer confidence plunging.
Preparing for a Brexit-related slowdown, Lloyds Banking Group said it would cut a further 3,000 jobs. One of Britain's biggest car dealerships, Inchcape, predicted growth in new car registrations would fall.
Ford Chief Financial Officer Bob Shanks said a weaker British pound following the June 23 Brexit vote had cost the company about $60 million in the second quarter.
The 2016 impact of Brexit on Ford, which has 30 percent of its European sales in Britain, was expected to be $200 million, and each year until Britain leaves the EU would cost it $400 million to $500 million. Speaking in Detroit, Shanks said all options were on the table for cost cuts in Europe, although Ford was not ready to announce any plant shutdowns.
A month after the referendum, the latest signs of an economic slowdown are likely to fuel expectations of action by the Bank of England on Aug. 4, when many economists believe it will cut interest rates and might start buying bonds again to pump money into the financial system.
"The public are still absorbing the EU referendum result but it is clear that consumer confidence has taken a significant and clear dive," said Stephen Harmston of the YouGov polling organisation.
Lloyds, Britain's largest retail bank, said it aims to save 400 million pounds ($530 million) by the end of 2017 by axing the additional jobs on top of 4,000 positions it has already said it would cut from its 75,000-strong workforce. It would close an additional 200 branches.
"Following the EU referendum the outlook for the UK economy is uncertain and, while the precise impact is dependent upon a number of factors including EU negotiations and political and economic events, a deceleration of growth seems likely," it said.
The economy grew fairly robustly in the run-up to the vote but economists expect businesses and consumers to cut back after the referendum shock, although a dive in the pound has helped some companies which make most of their earnings aboard.
Rolls-Royce shares rose sharply after it forecast profits would improve in the second half of the year, helped by a pick-up in deliveries of large aero engines.
Drinks group Diageo, reporting higher sales, said it had not so far seen any impact from Brexit. The company is the world's biggest maker of Scotch whisky, which is mostly exported and would benefit from sterling's weakness.
Another winner was Merlin Entertainments , which runs tourist attractions such as Madame Tussauds waxworks and Legoland and expects to benefit from the lower pound attracting more foreign visitors to its British sites.
But travel company Thomas Cook cut its profit target as the weak pound, together with attacks in Europe and a failed coup in Turkey, persuaded British customers to change their holiday plans abroad.
An index of British consumer confidence plunged nearly five points to 106.6 in July - matching its biggest fall in six years and hitting its lowest level since 2013, polling firm YouGov and the Centre for Economics and Business Research (CEBR) said.
People are particularly worried about what will happen to the value of their homes, the survey found.
The European Commission's consumer confidence gauge for Britain suffered its biggest monthly drop in July since January 1991, hitting its lowest level since June 2013.
House price growth edged up in July but the data might not yet reflect any impact from the referendum because of a lag, mortgage lender Nationwide said.
Britain's biggest lettings and estate agency company, Countrywide Plc , issued a profit warning, saying that commercial and London residential transactions had stalled after the Brexit vote.
Economists say spending by consumers offers the best hope that Britain can avoid a Brexit-related recession. But retailers said sales fell sharply after the referendum, according to a survey published on Wednesday.
French advertising company JCDecaux said it would reduce investments in Britain, citing uncertainty about the Brexit impact on the economy and advertising revenues.


BUILDERS, RETAILERS UNDER COSH
In construction, growth in activity slowed after the vote, the Royal Institution of Chartered Surveyors said.
Contributors to a RICS survey predicted a 1 percent rise in workloads over the next 12 months, down from growth of 2.8 percent that they had foreseen in the first quarter.
Britain's property market has been one of the worst hit sectors since the referendum with shares in housebuilders plunging while investors pulled out cash from commercial funds, forcing many to be suspended.
Construction firms cut back their forecasts for hiring, mirroring moves by British retailers who reported the fastest fall in full-time equivalent employment in two years in the second quarter, as the referendum approached.
But a survey by the British Retail Consortium showed 93 percent of retailers intended to keep staffing levels unchanged in the next three months, compared with 83 percent in the second quarter of last year.
A third survey published on Thursday showed pay awards in Britain stuck in a slow gear. Median pay settlements in the three months to the end of June were worth 1.8 percent for a third month in a row, after a two-year run when increases of 2 percent had become normal, according to XpertHR, an online human resources firm.
"It remains to be seen how the uncertainty around the impact of the Brexit vote will feed through to pay settlements, but we are likely to see pay awards remaining subdued for many months to come," XpertHR's Sheila Attwood said.
In a boost for the British government's drive to encourage investment post-Brexit, French state-owned utility EDF gave the go-ahead on Thursday to an 18 billion pound ($24 billion) nuclear power project in southwest England.


lilit

red, rad, disciplina
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Dusseldorf residents told to pay for Nazi-era road

People living on Auf'm Rott in southern Dusseldorf were not expecting to be billed for work done in 1937.

Homeowners on a street in Germany have been told they must foot the bill for their road's construction - even though it's been there for nearly 80 years.

Residents on Auf'm Rott, in suburban Dusseldorf, went to court after city authorities told them pay an average of 10,000 euros ($11,000; £8,400) per household for what looked like a long-established road, Die Welt reports.

The bills included a conversion from the Nazi-era Reichsmark currency into euros for the original road surface, first laid in 1937, which is being dubbed "Hitler asphalt" by the German media. The figures were also adjusted for inflation.

While homeowners were perplexed, a court has now confirmed that they must cough up the cash. It determined that while construction began in the 1930s, the road was only officially completed in 2009 when pavements were added. For the intervening period it was considered to be under development.

In Germany, residents have to pay a "development contribution" to the local authority for things like new roads, cycle paths and street lighting.

According to Die Welt, the council says people weren't required to contribute towards road construction under the Third Reich, so the costs are simply being billed now. The court agreed, saying that the length of time involved doesn't matter. "There is no statute of limitations in relation to the construction work," says Franziska Hoette, a judge at Dusseldorf's Administrative Court.

So, Auf'm Rott's current residents will be shelling out for the "Hitler asphalt", streetlamps dating back to 1956, a sewer from the 1970s, and pavements and greenery added in 2009. But despite taking a sizeable financial hit, the residents appear to have accepted the court's verdict. Spiegel Online reports that they've withdrawn their complaint, saying: "If this is how it is, then this is how it is."

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-36923731
That's how it is with people. Nobody cares how it works as long as it works.

Meho Krljic

The Ukrainian State Treaty: An Offer Putin Can't Refuse 
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Why a 1955 neutrality agreement might be the perfect model for a strategic and successful deal for Moscow, Washington, and Kiev.


In late June, Russia's Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu surprised Western observers when he announced the removal of 50 top naval officers, including both the commander of the Baltic Fleet and his chief of staff, for "dereliction of duty" and "distortion of the real state of things." Alexey Arbatov, a member of the research council of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, responded to the news with a cautionary note for Russian President Vladimir Putin: "NATO deploys a battalion, we respond by deploying an army. If we want to make Sweden and Finland join NATO, there is no better way to do it."
In considering what Putin's true and ultimate goals really are — and whether this culling of senior officers is an indication that he's changed his tune about confronting the United States and its NATO allies or his domineering plans for Ukraine — the real question for Washington is this: Do these changes provide an opening for a new, more mutually beneficial relationship with Moscow?

While on the one hand, it would be a mistake for Washington and its NATO allies to assume that Putin has abandoned his long-term goal of dominating Russia's "near abroad," particularly the Baltic littoral and Ukraine — he's already paid a high price at home and abroad to prevent Ukraine from slipping any further into NATO's orbit. But it would also be wrong to conclude that Putin's recent personnel changes in the Baltic military command structure are not meant to scale back the escalating tensions in the Baltic region. These very tensions have inspired an unprecedented level of military cooperation among Swedes, Finns, Germans, Poles, Lithuanians, Latvians, and Estonians, not to mention the United States.
Moreover, Russia's deteriorating economy, its costly defense buildup, and unrelenting war with Turkic Islamists in the Northern Caucasus may now incline Moscow toward a strategic accommodation with the West. If so, Ukraine may be a good place to begin.
In contrast to Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania, Ukraine is not a NATO member; it's currently a political no-man's land wedged uncomfortably between NATO and Russia. Putin justifies his actions in Crimea and Eastern Ukraine by insisting that, "if we do nothing, then at some point, guided by the same principles, NATO will drag Ukraine in." Putin's statement makes clear that Russia does not want to lose control of the southeastern half of the oil-rich Donbass along with access to the Caspian Sea and Moscow's ally, Iran. More important, many of Putin's comments at news conferences and in public speeches equate NATO's threat with NATO expansion, implying that he may be receptive to a guarantee from the United States (and NATO's 28 member states), that the West will not insist on incorporating 35-40 million incurably anti-Russian Ukrainians into NATO.
In considering strategic solutions that would satisfy Western, Ukrainian, and Russian strategic interests, and guarantee both Ukrainian independence and Russian national NATO security interests, few examples of successful agreements on territorial and political governance come to mind. Yet one stands out: the Austrian State Treaty.
Signed in 1955, the Austrian State Treaty was designed to reestablish Austria as a separate, independent state. To attain this goal, representatives of the governments of the Soviet Union, United Kingdom, United States, and France agreed that in exchange for the restoration of Austrian national sovereignty and political independence, the Austrian Republic would declare its total and unconditional neutrality. (Additional provisions in the treaty prohibited unification with Germany or the restoration of the Habsburg monarchy ensuring both Austria's sovereignty and democratic future.) Specific language safeguarding minority rights for Austria's Croatian and Slovenian citizens was also included. Though Austria's neutrality was not explicitly promised in the text of the treaty, the Austrian government agreed to declare neutrality in October 1955 after all four Allied countries withdrew their troops from Austrian territory, which had been partitioned into occupation zones since the end of World War II. Austria's parliament enacted neutrality, as well as a ban on all foreign military bases, on Oct. 26, 1955.
Austria's model of neutrality restored Austrian independence and provided the Soviets and the western Allies with security arrangements that both sides considered to be essential. The Soviets incorporated its conquered territories into the Warsaw Pact alliance while the West German state became part of NATO. War was avoided and today, the Warsaw Pact's former members are in the European Union and Austria has 18 representatives in the European Parliament. Under the circumstances it seems reasonable to ask whether a similar, contemporary "Ukrainian State Treaty" modeled on the Austrian precedent could perform a similar service for Europe.


Ukrainian neutrality would certainly provide Putin with the conditions he insists Russia actually wants — a permanent barrier to NATO's eastward advancement. A Ukrainian state treaty that includes provisions banning all foreign bases and all foreign forces on Ukrainian territory should allay Moscow's fear that Ukraine could become a platform for the projection of Western military power into Eastern Europe. New territorial arrangements that allow Ukraine to shed territory it no longer controls — territory populated with ethnic Russians — in return for Moscow's commitment to end hostilities and recognize the inviolability of Ukraine's borders would allow Ukraine to focus its efforts on building a free and prosperous society. 
A free, independent Ukraine at peace with Russia would likely attract massive investment from the West.
For its part, Moscow would have to agree to demilitarize its border with Ukraine and promise not to interfere with the conduct of Ukraine's internal affairs. Moscow would also have to commit itself to the regulated, but free and uninterrupted movement of commerce and people across the Russo-Ukrainian Border. Russians or Ukrainians who opt to move to new locations as a result of the territorial arrangements could be assisted and compensated by the parties to the agreement. Specific language guaranteeing minority rights to Ukraine's native Russians and to its many other minorities could be modeled on the language in the Austrian State Treaty.
Once a Ukrainian state treaty is signed and hostilities are ended, the West's economic sanctions could be lifted. Moreover, Moscow could withdraw its forces from its western borders and concentrate instead on defeating Islamist terrorism inside and along Russia's periphery. The treaty would also enable Moscow to influence the deteriorating situation around Christian Armenia and keep pressure on Islamist Turkey.
Strategically, it's an offer Putin might well accept. Putin gets to keep what he already controls and neutralizes an alleged threat to Russia. He can present the outcome as a "win" for Russia. For the West, a Ukrainian state treaty provides a more profound strategic bargain; it creates the foundation for enduring regional stability when viewed in the context of Moscow's current minimal requirements — that Ukraine pass a constitutional amendment on the special status of the Russian-controlled territory, an amnesty of the crimes of Russia's armed proxies, and a special law on elections in that territory.
These points notwithstanding, if Moscow rejects Washington's and NATO's willingness to forgo the notion that "all nations have the right to freely associate with EU or NATO" in favor of Austrian-style neutrality for Ukraine, then, Moscow is effectively demonstrating its malevolent intentions towards Ukraine, Moldova and, for that matter, toward any state along Russia's borders that seeks to maintain its political independence. Perhaps even more important, Moscow's rejection of Ukrainian neutrality would constitute a severe slap-in-the-face for the German left as well as NATO's southern European allies. These actors insist that Washington, not Moscow, is the source of trouble in Kiev and that Moscow's interests are being treated unfairly.
Kiev's reaction is more difficult to gauge. No doubt some Ukrainians will regard the treaty proposal as a concession to Moscow that puts Ukrainian independence at risk. Unfortunately, there is no certainty that NATO's leaders will be any more willing to risk a direct military confrontation with Russia in the future than they are today. In fact, the opposite may well be the case.
There is, of course, no certainty that a future president can stand up to the forces of Washington's neo-Wilsonian internationalists who want the United States and its allies to press for Ukrainian membership in NATO. These liberal internationalists will dismiss the "Austrian" alternative to eventual Ukrainian membership in NATO as a de facto acceptance of "spheres of influence," a concept that Moscow and Beijing advocate.
Timing may turn out to be right for an accommodation between disputing parties — in this case, Moscow, Washington, NATO, and Kiev — that avoids war and allows life to go on. However, unless the next president is willing to explore the possibility, the West will not know just what Putin is prepared to accept — at least not until Russian ground forces move west across the Dnieper River.

Aco Popara Zver

Свашта, па рат је почео јер Украјина није ово хтјела. Могли су нам уштедити пар година Почуче.
šta će mi bogatstvo i svecka slava sva kada mora umreti lepa Nirdala

lilit

austrija je u to doba imala mnogo pametne političare (renner, figl, raab) koji su shvatili sve prednosti ponude  a ni staljinova smrt 1953. nije bila od male pomoći. hruščova je obradio molotov koji je smenjen 1956.
austrija was quite lucky i 26.10. 1955. nije više bila okupirana! :lol:
kako smo došli do toga da 2016. imamo hofera i štrahea (koji deklarativno rade i na srpskom pitanju zvanom kosovo :lol:) mogu da objasnim samo filmom idiocracy.
nisam sigurna da će ukrajina sa svojim političarima uspeti da dobije ovako dobar deal (hint: Z4) al srećom se ukrajina i ne pita previše.
That's how it is with people. Nobody cares how it works as long as it works.

Meho Krljic

 Remembering the biggest mass murder in the history of the world 

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Who was the biggest mass murderer in the history of the world? Most people probably assume that the answer is Adolf Hitler, architect of the Holocaust. Others might guess Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin, who may indeed have managed to kill even more innocent people than Hitler did, many of them as part of a terror famine that likely took more lives than the Holocaust. But both Hitler and Stalin were outdone by Mao Zedong. From 1958 to 1962, his Great Leap Forward policy led to the deaths of up to 45 million people – easily making it the biggest episode of mass murder ever recorded.
Historian Frank Dikötter, author of the important book Mao's Great Famine recently published an article in History Today, summarizing what happened:
Mao thought that he could catapult his country past its competitors by herding villagers across the country into giant people's communes. In pursuit of a utopian paradise, everything was collectivised. People had their work, homes, land, belongings and livelihoods taken from them. In collective canteens, food, distributed by the spoonful according to merit, became a weapon used to force people to follow the party's every dictate. As incentives to work were removed, coercion and violence were used instead to compel famished farmers to perform labour on poorly planned irrigation projects while fields were neglected.
A catastrophe of gargantuan proportions ensued. Extrapolating from published population statistics, historians have speculated that tens of millions of people died of starvation. But the true dimensions of what happened are only now coming to light thanks to the meticulous reports the party itself compiled during the famine....
What comes out of this massive and detailed dossier is a tale of horror in which Mao emerges as one of the greatest mass murderers in history, responsible for the deaths of at least 45 million people between 1958 and 1962. It is not merely the extent of the catastrophe that dwarfs earlier estimates, but also the manner in which many people died: between two and three million victims were tortured to death or summarily killed, often for the slightest infraction. When a boy stole a handful of grain in a Hunan village, local boss Xiong Dechang forced his father to bury him alive. The father died of grief a few days later. The case of Wang Ziyou was reported to the central leadership: one of his ears was chopped off, his legs were tied with iron wire, a ten kilogram stone was dropped on his back and then he was branded with a sizzling tool – punishment for digging up a potato.
The basic facts of the Great Leap Forward have long been known to scholars. Dikötter's work is noteworthy for demonstrating that the number of victims may have been even greater than previously thought, and that the mass murder was more clearly intentional on Mao's part, and included large numbers of victims who were executed or tortured, as opposed to "merely" starved to death. Even the previously standard estimates of 30 million or more, would still make this the greatest mass murder in history.
While the horrors of the Great Leap Forward are well known to experts on communism and Chinese history, they are rarely remembered by ordinary people outside China, and has had only a modest cultural impact. When Westerners think of the great evils of world history, they rarely think of this one. In contrast to the numerous books, movies, museums, and and remembrance days dedicated to the Holocaust, we make little effort to recall the Great Leap Forward, or to make sure that society has learned its lessons. When we vow "never again," we don't often recall that it should apply to this type of atrocity, as well as those motivated by racism or anti-semitism.
The fact that Mao's atrocities resulted in many more deaths than those of Hitler does not necessarily mean he was the more evil of the two. The greater death toll is partly the result of the fact that Mao ruled over a much larger population for a much longer time. I lost several relatives in the Holocaust myself, and have no wish to diminish its significance. But the vast scale of Chinese communist atrocities puts them in the same general ballpark. At the very least, they deserve far more recognition than they currently receive.

I. Why We so Rarely Look Back on the Great Leap Forward
What accounts for this neglect? One possible answer is that the most of the victims were Chinese peasants – people who are culturally and socially distant from the Western intellectuals and media figures who have the greatest influence over our historical consciousness and popular culture. As a general rule, it is easier to empathize with victims who seem similar to ourselves.
But an even bigger factor in our relative neglect of the Great Leap Forward is that it is part of the general tendency to downplay crimes committed by communist regimes, as opposed to right-wing authoritarians. Unlike in the days of Mao, today very few western intellectuals actually sympathize with communism. But many are reluctant to fully accept what a great evil it was, fearful – perhaps – that other left-wing causes might be tainted by association.

In China, the regime has in recent years admitted that Mao made "mistakes" and allowed some degree of open discussion about this history. But the government is unwilling to admit that the mass murder was intentional and continues to occasionally suppress and persecute dissidents who point out the truth.
This reluctance is an obvious result of the fact that the Communist Party still rules China. Although they have repudiated many of Mao's specific policies, the regime still derives much of its legitimacy from his legacy. I experienced China's official ambivalence on this subject first-hand, when I gave a talk about the issue while teaching a course as a visiting professor at a Chinese university in 2014.
II. Why it Matters.
For both Chinese and westerners, failure to acknowledge the true nature of the Great Leap Forward carries serious costs. Some survivors of the Great Leap Forward are still alive today. They deserve far greater recognition of the horrible injustice they suffered. They also deserve compensation for their losses, and the infliction of appropriate punishment on the remaining perpetrators.
In addition, our continuing historical blind spot about the crimes of Mao and other communist rulers, leads us to underestimate the horrors of such policies, and makes it more likely that they might be revived in the future. The horrendous history of China, the USSR, and their imitators, should have permanently discredited socialism as completely as fascism was discredited by the Nazis. But it has not – so far – fully done so.
Just recently, the socialist government of Venezuela imposed forced labor on much of its population. Yet most of the media coverage of this injustice fails to note the connection to socialism, or that the policy has parallels in the history of the Soviet Union, China, Cuba, and other similar regimes. One analysis even claims that the real problem is not so much "socialism qua socialism," but rather Venezuela's "particular brand of socialism, which fuses bad economic ideas with a distinctive brand of strongman bullying," and is prone to authoritarianism and "mismanagement." The author simply ignores the fact that "strongman bullying" and "mismanagement" are typical of socialist states around the world. The Scandinavian nations – sometimes cited as examples of successful socialism- are not actually socialist at all, because they do not feature government ownership of the means of production, and in many ways have freer markets than most other western nations.

Venezuela's tragic situation would not surprise anyone familiar with the history of the Great Leap Forward. We would do well to finally give history's largest episode of mass murder the attention it deserves.

S.U.B.A.

Атеисти и левичари? Немогуће.   :shock:


varvarin

Izvinjavam se ako je neko već pominjao ovo...  Kasno sam video.  :)

http://www.slobodan-milosevic.org/news/smorg-aw071816.htm

Hague Tribunal Exonerates Slobodan Milosevic for Bosnia War Crimes Ten Years Too Late


džin tonik

mene hvata vrtoglavica od samog pogleda na fotografije. strava od staze. :cry:

Kineska čuda - Pogled s visine samo za hrabre!

staklena podloga.


Meho Krljic

Interesantna kalkulacija o tome koliko bi Universal Basic Income program koštao Ameriku, odnosno koliko bi joj uštedeo:


A Basic Income Is A Trillion Dollars Cheaper

Aco Popara Zver

Јел чуо неко за ухваћене турске побуњеничке бродове у Јадрану?Но ннема линка, имам само непоуздане приче.
šta će mi bogatstvo i svecka slava sva kada mora umreti lepa Nirdala

Dybuk

Evropa protiv burki?

QuoteBerlin -- Nemački ministar unutrašnjih poslova Tomas de Mezijer zauzeo se za delimičnu zabranu nošenja burki u jeku debate u zemlji o tom pitanju.
Isto je učinio i šef austrijske diplomatije Sebastijan Kurc.

"Usaglasili smo se da ne prihvatamo burke, da želimo da uvedemo zakonske odredbe da lice mora da se vidi na mestima neophodnim za koegzistenciju našeg društva - za volanom, u javnim kancelarijama, školama, univerzitetima, javnim službama, sudnicama", rekao je Mezijer, preneo je AFP.

Nemačka kancelarka Angela Merkel izjavila je u četvrtak da nošenje burki, što praktikuju neke žene muslimanske veroispovesti, predstavlja prepreku za integraciju.

"Sa mog stajališta, potpuno pokrivena žena u Nemačkoj jedva da ima ikakvu šansu da se integriše", rekla je Merkelova u intervjuu za medijsku grupu "Redakcions Necverk Dojčland" (RND).


Neki članovi njene konzervativne stranke SDU su nedavno pozvali na zabranu nošenja burki i drugih vrsta odeće koje prekrivaju čitavo telo.

Nemački ministar unutrašnjih poslova se još ranije usprotivio potpunoj zabrani, za koju ističe da je verovatno neće dozvoliti ni nemački Ustavni sud.

Osim toga i šef austrijske diplomatije Sebastijan Kurc izjasnio se za uvođenje zabrane nošenja burke u Austriji, kao i uvođenje društveno korisnog rada za izbeglice.

Burka je paštunska ženska odeća koja pokriva celo telo i lice. Nose ga žene islamske veroispovesti u Avganistanu i u delovima Pakistana i Indije. Burka je izrađena od guste tkanine koja u potpunosti pokriva celo telo, uključujući i lice, dok predeo očiju sadrži gusta mreža kroz koju žena može da gleda.

U moderno doba burka je specifična za Paštunce, a za vreme talibanskog režima u Avganistanu (1996 - 2001) bila je propisana u vidu hidžaba i ženama je bilo zabranjeno izlaziti iz kuće bez burke.

U zapadnom svetu burka se često meša sa nikabom, arapskim odevnim predmetom koji takođe pokriva lice ali ima otvoreni prorez za oči. Najsličniji odevni predmet burki je parandža (ili farandži), takođe dugačak ogrtač s čačvanom (teško providna tkanina od konjskih dlaka preko čitavog lica) koji je nošen u nekim mestima susednog Tadžikistana. Neki drugi odevni predmeti koji isto totalno pokrivaju lice su bušija (ili gatva) kod Arapkinja uz obale Persijskog zaliva, nekad peča u Osmanskom carstvu, te gungat u Indiji.

usput, na francuskim plazama burkiniji su odnedavno zabranjeni


Father Jape

Blijedi čovjek na tragu pervertita.
To je ta nezadrživa napaljenost mladosti.
Dušman u odsustvu Dušmana.

Meho Krljic

  'Longest living human' says he is ready for death at 145



QuoteAn Indonesian man who claims to be the longest living human in recorded history has described how he "just wants to die".
Mbah Gotho, from Sragen in central Java, was born on December 31, 1870, according to the date of birth on his identity card.
Now officials at the local record office say they have finally been able to confirm that remarkable date as genuine.   
If independently confirmed, the findings would make Mr Gotho a staggering 145 years old – and the longest lived human in recorded history.
But despite his incredible longevity, Mr Gotho says he has little wish to remain on this earth much longer.
   
   "What I want is to die. My grandchildren are all independent," he told local media this week.
Mr Gotho has outlived all 10 of his siblings, four wives, and even his children. His nearest living relatives are grand children, great grand children, and great-great grandchildren.
One of Mr Gotho's grandsons said his grandfather has been preparing for his death ever since he was 122.
   
   He has even bought a burial site close to the graves of his children.
"The gravestone there was made in 1992. That was 24 years ago," Mr Gotho's grandson said.
Members of the family said Mr Gotho now spends most of his time sitting and listening to the radio because his eyesight is too poor to watch television.
He has had to be spoon-fed and bathed for the past three months as he has become increasingly frail.
When asked what his secret to longevity is, Mr Gotho replied: "The recipe is just patience."
While record office staff say they have confirmed the birth date on his identity card, he will not make it into the record books until the findings are independently verified.
The current record holder, French woman Jeanne Calment, died in 1997 at the age of 122.
   


Meho Krljic


lilit

That's how it is with people. Nobody cares how it works as long as it works.

Father Jape

http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=27822#more-27822

August 31, 2016 @ 8:12 am · Filed by Geoffrey K. Pullum

Arkadiusz Jóźwik, an immigrant from Poland who had been living in England for four years, decided last Saturday evening (for the first time, according to his brother) to go down to a pizzeria in a strip mall in Harlow, Essex, and collect his pizza rather than have it delivered. He stood outside with a friend eating a slice, and a group of teenage boys who often hung out there heard him speaking to his friend in Polish (he didn't know much English). That linguistic evidence of foreignness was enough for one of the teenagers to attack him. Others joined in and savagely beat him. The friend was also attacked, sustaining fractured bones in his hands and bruising to his stomach.  Both men were taken to a local hospital, but Arkadiusz had to be transferred to Addenbrooke's in Cambridge to be treated for a head injury, and by Monday he was dead.

Such is the poisonous atmosphere that has emerged in some areas of England since the June 23 vote in which a majority of the UK's electorate voted for leaving the European Union.

There cannot be much doubt about the responsibility borne by the victorious Leave campaign. Members of the United Kingdom Independence Party, whose ex-leader Nigel Farage appeared in Mississippi suporting Donald Trump the other day, produced particularly offensive materials aimed at convincing voters that Britain was being flooded with undesirable and potentially dangerous immigrants who should be kept out or sent home.

Many Conservatives joined in with UKIP, representing immigrants rhetorically as a threat to the nation, and the EU's freedom of movement as an open door for immigrants. Quite deliberately, they did not take much trouble to distinguish (1) the EU citizens from countries like Poland, who are free to move to Britain and work productively here (and who on average contribute more to the state in taxes than they draw in benefits) from (2) legal migrants from Commonwealth countries such as Pakistan or Bangladesh, or (3) non-EU illegal migrants from poverty-stricken countries like Albania, or (4) asylum-seekers from war-ravaged countries like Syria.

My wonderful Polish-speaking housekeeper — hard worker and lovely person — told me she was terrified by the tone of the campaign, and especially by the result of the vote.  She was so nervous on the day of the result that her hands were shaking as she cleaned someone's house, and she broke a vase.

It was easy for the police to find the youths responsible for the murder of Arkadiusz Jóźwik: five 15-year-olds and a 16-year-old have already been arrested and charged with murder. They probably knew nothing about the difference between legal movement within the EU and illegal immigration from beyond it, or the statistical evidence that EU migrants were an economic benefit to their country, or the likelihood that kicking a man in the head would cause his death and doom them to years of imprisonment. Politics, economics, anatomy, jurisprudence... whatever.

Stupid and violent young males with nothing much to do on a Saturday night will often latch onto any kind of foreignness, racial or linguistic, as an excuse for mindless violence against defenceless strangers who are arguably alien. That is why campaigns targeting immigrants as a threat — a standard modus operandi for politicians like Farage and Trump — are so appallingly irresponsible.
Blijedi čovjek na tragu pervertita.
To je ta nezadrživa napaljenost mladosti.
Dušman u odsustvu Dušmana.

Meho Krljic

  The Gaffe By Tony Blair That Could Have Caused Brexit 

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After the shock result in June's EU Referendum, the UK is firmly heading down the path marked Brexit.
Prime Minister Theresa May has hosted a Cabinet meeting at Chequers focusing on the UK's plans to leave the EU and has firmly insisted there will be no second referendum and that "Brexit means Brexit".
Of course, this is all happening because of the tight vote in the referendum - but how did we get to the point where we are now?
Many argue that former Prime Minister Tony Blair paved the way for Brexit.
More specifically, they cite a mistake made by the once popular Labour leader that led to a butterfly effect that will now see the United Kingdom no longer being a member of the EU.
On 1 May 2004 - three years before Mr Blair quit as PM - 10 countries joined the EU in what was the single largest expansion of the project.

Known as the A10, these countries were made up mainly of former Eastern Bloc and included Poland, Hungary, Latvia and Lithuania.
And it was Mr Blair's decisions surrounding the mass expansion that some believe set Britain firmly on course for Brexit.
Labour made the decision to not place restrictions on the free movement of workers from the new EU member countries.
However, most EU states - including France and Germany - imposed transitional controls to slow down the rate of migration, meaning just Britain, Ireland and Sweden took the bulk of migrants looking for work.
Immigration was already a concern to some of those in the cabinet, despite a report in 2000 suggesting that there were major economic benefits to the country from it.
Performance and Innovation Unit deputy director Jonathan Portes, who was on the group behind the report, said: "We pushed this. It was not pushed by the politicians, and by politicians I mean David Miliband specifically.
"It wasn't that David didn't think it was interesting, he just thought that the political costs and benefits of doing it were not positive."


With free movement to the UK now on the table for workers in EU states, the 13,000 annual arrivals predicted in a Home Office report turned out to be a lot more - in fact, it ended up being over a million in the following years, at a rate of 247,000 a year in the final five years of the last Labour government.
Christian Dustmann, one of the authors of the report, said: "The German labour market was basically closed for Polish workers and that kind of changed everything."
David Blunkett, who was Home Secretary at the time, said: "It [the prediction] was too low. When they start talking about 13,000 you just start blanking out."
However, he later added: "I'm confident that it [free movement] was the right decision, even though very few people now will stand up for it.
"I just think that allowing people to move [to the UK] but not to work would have been a complete own goal."
Mr Blair knew only too well that immigration would be a problem - polls suggested it was becoming a huge concern for voters.
  In fact, Sir Stephen Wall, head of the Cabinet Office's European secretariat between 2000-04 recalled: "I remember him saying, very soon after the 2001 election, 'The one thing that could lose me the next election is immigration.'" 

Labour were already having issues with immigration before the EU expansion. Charles Clarke, who took over as home secretary in 2004, revealed: "We developed a massive backlog, particularly on asylum where we had cases waiting literally five years to be solved.
"That was the core problem that had built up behind an unmanageable set of issues. It was a complete nightmare and led to a sense of complete ungovernability of the whole system and that I think has undermined confidence in it."
Southampton Itchen Labour MP John Denham aired his concerns about immigration in a memo to Tony Blair in 2006, that warned of higher immigration figures than predicted.
He said of his memo: "I sent a warning message to government about the impact of immigration in Southampton, saying Whitehall was not picking up quickly enough what was happening on the ground, or what the wider electorate were saying in response."
He added in 2015: "The whole irony of this is that in some respects Tony Blair was obsessed by immigration, particularly about illegal immigration and abuse of the asylum system, but on EU migration there was a catastrophic failure of the civil service machine." Issue: Ukip leader Nigel Farage spoke out against immigration to the UK (Wikipedia)
And with immigration becoming more of a concern to Brits - especially those in northern heartlands - Ukip were ready and waiting to capitalise on a growing anti-immigration sentiment.
Once a party explicitly about leaving the EU, Ukip became the home to voters who were ignored after raising concerns about an influx of migrants putting pressure on services and employment.
The 2009 European parliament elections saw Labour come third behind Ukip, after Gordon Brown - who took over from Mr Blair as PM - failed to get a grip on the issue.
British politics had changed, and Labour, who had been a vote-winning machine for the previous decade, were now staring defeat in the face.
The electorate, now fed up with high levels of immigration, started to find a home in Ukip, who spoke out against the issue when Labour, who were still in power, failed to respond to their fears.
Things reached a head during the 2010 General Election campaign when Mr Brown was recorded calling lifelong Labour voter Gillian Duffy a "bigoted woman" when she spoke to him about her concerns over immigration. Gaffe: Gordon Brown described Labour voter Gillian Duggy as a 'bigoted woman' (Wikipedia)
Only a year previous to the gaffe, Mr Brown said of immigration concerns: "People ask me, 'Do you get it?' Yes, I get it."
Labour were booted out of office and Ukip continued to surge, securing huge votes in local elections, forcing the bigger parties to finally talk openly about immigration - pushing the now in power Tories to shift right on the issue.
Ed Miliband, who was Labour leader at the time, admitted that the last Labour government had "got it wrong" when they allowed free movement without restrictions, adding: "We became too disconnected from the concerns of working people."
With Mr Farage now a constant figure on TV screens, Ukip were pulling Tory - and Labour - voters into their welcoming arms and the pressure was kept up on the demand for an EU referendum.
In 2013, in an attempt to silence Ukip and pull back voters, David Cameron announced that there would be the promise of a referendum in the Tory manifesto for the 2015 General Election. Success: The Vote Leave campaign pushed hard for Brexit (Geograph)
Whether it played a part in the surprise Tory outright victory or not, the promise had been made and a date for the EU Referendum was announced on 23 June 2016.
With immigration still the number one concern of voters following years of free movement from EU states that Mr Blair had not imposed controls on, the Vote Leave campaign focused hard on the issue.
The shock result saw Britain vote to leave the EU - with many votes coming from the traditional Labour heartlands that had deserted the party after seeing their communities particularly affected by falling wages and low employment.
Now, with Brexit pushing ahead, Britain is on the road to leaving the EU for good - and the roots can justifiably be traced back to that single decision on free movement Mr Blair made in 2004.
No regrets: Tony Blair refuses to accept he made a mistake on freedom of movement (Wikipedia)
Despite criticism from figures in his own party like Ed Miliband and John Denham for his decision over the years, Mr Blair refuses to accept that he was wrong.
He told a Channel 4 documentary last year: "I don't agree it was a mistake.
"All we did was bring forward what would have happened anyway. In 2004 the economy was booming and we had a requirement for skilled workers from abroad.
"Supposing you put all those people from Eastern Europe back out of Britain again would we be a stronger better country? The answer is no."
Those who blame him for Brexit may no longer agree...


Meho Krljic

Evo ih opet:



Four women 'groped and sexually assaulted' by mob of men during festival in Germany

QuoteFour women have reported being "groped and sexually assaulted" by a number of men, during a festival in Germany. The women claimed they were harassed by the men, who are believed to be immigrants, at the Essen Original city party on Friday (2 September).
Filing a formal police complaint, they alleged the men of North African descent danced around them in groups and groped them. Police said the Essen victims were attacked in three parts of the city by groups of four and six men "who drove their victims into corners and groped them all over."
Several lone suspects were apprehended by police after the complaints were made. Two 16-year-olds and a 46-year-old man were questioned but later released. The attackers, all of whom are said to be immigrants or of a migrant background, are still being looked for.
Police spokesman Peter Elke said: "The heavy police presence on the ground meant we could promptly identify and arrest some suspected attackers. The sequence of events has to be determined. Therefore we are looking for witnesses to the attacks as enquiries continue."
A confidential hotline for other victims to come forward has been set up as police said the complaints by four women could be "only the tip of the iceberg".
The festival continued on Sunday and will end on Monday night (5 September) as police increased security in response to the sexual assaults. Organisers have also pledged to work with police to provide greater security for women in the evenings, the Mail Online reports.
The incident is reminiscent of the New Year's eve incident in Cologne when mobs of North African migrants assaulted hundreds of women, who were robbed and sexually assaulted outside the cathedral.
German police identified 31 people, including 18 asylum seekers, suspected of playing a role in mass violent attacks on New Year's Eve.
Following the incident, Chancellor Angela Merkel faced public opposition against her open-door refugee policy.

Meho Krljic

Finska smelo uleće u pilotiranje Universal Basic Income programa:


Thousands to Receive Basic Income in Finland


QuoteOver the course of the next year, Finland is putting Universal Basic Income to the test. Thousands of individuals are going to be getting a basic income to trial (what could be) the economics of the future.


Finland is about to launch an experiment in which a randomly selected group of 2,000–3,000 citizens already on unemployment benefits will begin to receive a monthly basic income of 560 euros (approx. $600). That basic income will replace their existing benefits. The amount is the same as the current guaranteed minimum level of Finnish social security support. The pilot study, running for two years in 2017-2018, aims to assess whether basic income can help reduce poverty, social exclusion, and bureaucracy, while increasing the employment rate.
The Finnish government introduced its legislative bill for the experiment on 25 August. Originally, the scope of the basic income experiment was much more ambitious. Many experts have criticized the government's experiment for its small sample size and for the setup of the trial, which will be performed within just one experimental condition. This implies that the experiment can provide insights on only one issue, namely whether the removal of the disincentives embedded in social security will encourage those now unemployed to return to the workforce or not.
Still, the world's largest national basic income experiment represents a big leap towards experimental governance, a transformation that has been given strong emphasis in the current government program of the Finnish state. Additionally, the Finnish trial sets the agenda for the future of universal basic income at large. Its results will be closely followed by governments worldwide. The basic income experiment may thus well lead to the greatest societal transformation of our time.
There are few important things one should understand when following the headlines on  the Finnish basic income experiment:

       
  • Basic income is the most comprehensive political reform of our century so far.
There is no other reform in sight that would a) potentially impact the majority of citizens in any given nation and b) be of such great importance in as many countries as basic income is today. Take the global interest in the Finnish experiment as evidence: why such attention for a trial in a country of just 5 million inhabitants? Probably because basic income seems to address challenges faced by all societies across borders. Currently, basic income is being discussed in earnest in Switzerland (where a basic income reform was rejected in a referendum in June 2016), in the US (where Y Combinator, an organization known for its highly successful start-up accelerator, has announced a pilot experiment for basic income to take place in Oakland, California) and in the Netherlands (where a basic incomeexperiment will begin in the city of Utrecht in January 2017).

       
  • The Finnish basic income experiment is officially referred to as an incremental reform of the welfare model, not as an indicator of a complete paradigm shift.
At present, citizens in Finland are entitled to a minimum level of social security support that is the same as the amount of its suggested basic income (560€ a month). In official statements, the basic income experiment is said to aim to reduce bureaucracy, to unravel disincentives and to decrease poverty in society.
Government documents do not mention changes in the structure of work and income, nor do they offer comments on looming technology-induced unemployment. Hence, basic income is seen as an additional element to the Finnish universal social security system. Elsewhere, basic income has been envisioned as a solution for rising inequality, exacerbated by the explosion of robotics and the automatisation of routine work. Top politicians in Finland, however, have not explicitly made these connections

       
  • The basic income trial is a part of a larger shift in policy-making.
Over the last two years, Finland has explored possibilities on how to reform its policy-making functions. As Forbes put it, Finland, through the Prime Minister's Office, has "been pioneering a form of deciding upon public policy where people actually think through the problems at issue, think about them, consider solutions, test a few of them, then implement the best."


This new form of policy-making has come to be known as "co-design" or "co-creation" of policy. In short, the term refers to the engaging of relevant stakeholders and citizens in the policy-making process from its early phases onwards. As further described in this article, which looks at the policy-making model that was created by Nordic think tank Demos Helsinki, more human-centered and experimental governmental steering can encourage trust and make policy more user-oriented, targeted and efficient.
The basic income trial will pave the way for about 20 other large-scale experiments in Finland that have been launched or will be launched by the country's ministries in the coming months. With the preparation work for the basic income trial, the Finns have spotted a handful of legislative problems that will need to be tackled in order to foster further experimentation.
Experimental culture in general has encouraged civil servants to take a permissive attitude to legislation and thus enabled further innovative experimentation (well demonstrated by this case, where traffic law was reinterpreted so that it allowed Finland to become the first country in the world to test driverless vehicles in real urban environments). Lastly, preparing the large experiment has already forced the country to open up the discussion on and solve important issues in relation to the ethics and practices of experimenting. All this lays as a solid groundwork for building a forerunner governance system in the country.

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Saudi Arabia's top cleric says Iran's leaders 'not Muslims'



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RIYADH, Saudi Arabia (AP) — Saudi Arabia's top cleric is revving up the kingdom's rhetoric against Iran, saying in comments published on Tuesday that Tehran's leaders are "not Muslims," in response to rancorous remarks from Iran's supreme leader.
The remarks by Grand Mufti Abdulaziz Al Sheikh came a day after Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei accused Saudi authorities of killing Muslims injured during last year's crush of crowds at the hajj pilgrimage.
Their confrontational comments mark a sharp escalation in the countries' faceoff as their spat plays out across the region.
Khamenei, in remarks published on his website Monday, said the "heartless and murderous Saudis locked up the injured with the dead in containers — instead of providing medical treatment and helping them or at least quenching their thirst. They murdered them."
Mostly Sunni Saudi Arabia and majority Shiite Iran back opposite sides of the wars in Syria and Yemen, and support opposing political groups in Iraq, Bahrain and Lebanon.
In comments to the Makkah newspaper, the top Saudi cleric was quoted as saying that Khamenei's remarks are "not surprising" because Iranians are descendants of "Majuws"— a term that refers to Zoroastrians and those who worship fire. Zoroastrianism is a monotheistic religion predating Christianity and Islam and was the dominant religion in Persia before the Arab conquest.
"We must understand they are not Muslims, for they are the descendants of Majuws, and their enmity toward Muslims, especially the Sunnis, is very old," the Saudi cleric said.
The September 2015 stampede and crush of pilgrims killed at least 2,426 people, according to an Associated Press count. Iran had the highest of death toll of any country, with 464 Iranian pilgrims killed.
Saudi authorities have not released any findings of their investigation into the hajj disaster. Preliminary statements suggested the crush was caused when at least two large crowds intersected.
Khamenei also blamed Saudi Arabia for an earlier crane collapse in Mecca that killed 111 people, and urged Muslims around the world to reconsider Saudi Arabia's custodianship and management of Islam's holiest sites in Mecca and Medina where the hajj is performed. He also said Saudi rulers promote sectarian strife and arm "wicked takfiri groups" — a reference to extremist Sunni militants who denounce other Muslims as heretics and non-believers.
The two countries severed diplomatic relations in January after Saudi Arabia executed a prominent Saudi Shiite cleric and angry Iranian crowds overran Saudi diplomatic missions.
Negotiations between the two countries over hajj security measures also collapsed earlier this year, prompting Iran to declare it would not be sending any of its citizens to this year's pilgrimage, which begins this weekend.

Agota

This is a gift, it comes with a price. Who is the lamb and who is the knife. Midas is king and he holds me so tight. And turns me to gold in the sunlight ...

Meho Krljic

When your boss is an algorithm

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Typecast as a terrorist

QuoteAs my acting career developed, I was no longer cast as a radical Muslim – except at the airport by Riz Ahmed
 

Aco Popara Zver

šta će mi bogatstvo i svecka slava sva kada mora umreti lepa Nirdala