World today (Ni Srbija ni zemlje u okruženju)

[Anomander Rejk]

Ah, pa evo pokušaja ,, fejsbuk revolucije '' i u Hrvatskoj.
Doduše, mlako. Nekih stotinak ljudi se okupilo, a policija je brzo stigla zaštititi Jadranku i ministre od eventualnih neugodnosti. Domoljupci iz ,, braniteljskih udruga '' iliti HVIDRE, ogradili su se od pokušaja rušenja Vlade, i promena na ulici. Verovatno se plaše da bi posle promena mogli ostati bez junačkih pemzija.

[mac]

Hrvatska je "zemlja u okruženju", i za njih ima originalni topik. Ako sad treba da se raspreda o Hrvatskoj, onda bolje tamo.

[Meho Krljic]

Somalijski pirati okrenuli drugi list. Koji im, reklo bi se, neće mnogo toga dobrog doneti. Ubijanje talaca ne samo da nije profitabilno nego je i siguran način da se isprovocira vojni napad na Somaliju... Dobro, znamo da su to uglavnom kojekakvi nezaposleni i siromašni ribari itd., ali ljudi koji stoje iza njih, koji okreću kintu i ugovaraju poslove, zar oni ne shvataju da su sad ulozi u igri mnogo veći?

4 American hostages killed by pirates off Somalia

By JASON STRAZIUSO and MALKHADIR M. MUHUMED, Associated Press Jason Straziuso And Malkhadir M. Muhumed, Associated Press – Tue Feb 22, 9:27 pm ET
NAIROBI, Kenya – A U.S. Navy destroyer was shadowing a hijacked yacht with four Americans aboard when a pirate fired a rocket-propelled grenade, followed by bursts of gunfire. U.S. special forces scrambled onto the occupied vessel only to find the four Americans fatally wounded.

The yachting enthusiasts from California and Washington killed off the coast of East Africa on Tuesday were the first Americans slain by Somali pirates since a wave of attacks began six years ago. One of the American couples had been sailing around the world since 2004 handing out Bibles.

The deaths of the four travelers, all in their late 50s or 60s, appeared to underscore an increasingly brutal and aggressive shift by pirates in their treatment of hostages.

Killing hostages "has now become part of our rules," said a pirate who identified himself as Muse Abdi. He referred as a turning point to last week's sentencing of a pirate to 33 years in prison for the 2009 attack on the U.S. cargo vessel the Maersk Alabama — just two days before the hijacking.

"From now on, anyone who tries to rescue the hostages in our hands will only collect dead bodies," Abdi said. "It will never, ever happen that hostages are rescued and we are hauled to prison."

Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton strongly condemned the killing of the Americans as "deplorable," saying in a statement the slayings underscored the need for international cooperation in fighting the scourge of piracy in waters off the Horn of Africa.

Jean and Scott Adam of Marina del Rey, near Los Angeles, had been sailing their 58-foot yacht Quest around the world since December 2004, and had been joined in recent months by Phyllis Macay and Bob Riggle of Seattle.

Four U.S. warships had been shadowing the Quest since shortly after it was seized south of Oman on Friday, and U.S. officials were in radio contact with the captors as the pirates tried to sail it to the Somali shore. The power behind such abductions for ransom — a multimillion-dollar business — lies not with the pirates at sea but their financial backers on land. And once the kidnappers reach shore with their hostages, options for rescue are limited.

A channel of negotiations had been opened, and on Monday two pirates boarded the USS Sterett, a guided-missile destroyer some 600 yards (meters) from the seized yacht, and they stayed overnight, said Vice Adm. Mark Fox, commander of the U.S. 5th Fleet in Bahrain.

By the next morning, though, things quickly turned deadly, with all signs pointing to a dispute among the pirates

At 8 a.m. local time, Fox said, a rocket-propelled grenade was fired from the Quest at the Sterett and missed, followed almost immediately by the sound of small arms fire coming from the yacht.

Several pirates then appeared on the yacht deck with their hands up. U.S. naval forces rushed aboard the vessel and found all four Americans had been shot; two pirates also lay dead from gun shot wounds.

The special forces troops tried to provide lifesaving care to the Americans, but they died, Fox said.

Fifteen pirates were taken into custody — 13 aboard the yacht as well as the two who had been negotiating aboard the Sterett, Fox said. In addition, two pirates were killed in the operation, including one who was knifed by a member of the U.S. force, Fox said.

President Barack Obama, who was notified about killing of the Americans at 4:42 a.m. Washington time, had authorized the military on Saturday to use force in case of an imminent threat to the hostages, said White House spokesman Jay Carney.

Pirates have increased attacks off the coast of East Africa despite an international flotilla of warships dedicated to protecting vessels and stopping the pirate assaults.

But the conventional wisdom in the shipping industry had been that Somali pirates are businessmen looking for a multimillion-dollar ransom payday, not insurgents looking to terrorize people.

"We have heard threats against the lives of Americans before but it strikes me as being very, very unusual why they would kill hostages outright," said Graeme Gibbon-Brooks, the head of Dryad Maritime Intelligence, adding that the pirates must realize that killing Americans would invite a military response.

Friends, family and fellow sailors said that despite an adventurous spirit, the four Americans were meticulous planners who knew the dangers they faced.

Jean and Scott Adams, both in their 60s, had been sailing around the world since December 2004 with a yacht full of Bibles to distribute to remote regions. They were joined by Riggle, a veterinarian who volunteered at the Seattle Animal Shelter, and 59-year-old Macay, a sailing enthusiast.

"Great sailors, good people. They were doing what they wanted to do, but that's small comfort in the face of this," said Joe Grande of the Seattle Singles Yacht Club, where Riggle and Macay were members.

Around Christmas, the Quest joined the Blue Water Rally, an around-the-world race. But race organizers said the Americans recently left the race despite what Fox said were warnings about the dangers of sailing in the Horn of Africa region.

The Blue Water Rally said in a statement Tuesday that though yachtsmen are discouraged from sailing in the region, the only other choices are to sail around the stormy and dangerous tip of South Africa or sail back across the Pacific.

The Adams had traveled from Panama in 2005 to Fiji in 2007 and Cambodia last year. They most recently sailed from Thailand to Sri Lanka and India, and were on their way to Oman when captured.

Pirates have become increasingly bold in their attacks despite a flotilla of international warships patrolling the waters off East Africa. The last time pirates kidnapped a U.S. citizen — during the 2009 hijacking of the Maersk Alabama — Navy sharpshooters killed two pirates and rescued the cargo ship's captain.

But Tuesday's bloody events are apt to leave U.S. military planners in a quandary: Do they go after the pirates harder? Do they attack their bases on Somalia's ungoverned shores?

One maritime expert said it's too early to tell.

"This is a first," said Gibbon-Brooks, the analyst. "We don't know if the situation is related to a straight execution. We don't know if it was related to an attempt to break free. We don't know if it was related to an accident."

He said the killings were "extremely unwise" by the Somalis, and that the deaths threaten what has been a lucrative if illicit business.

After last week's sentencing by a New York court of a Somali pirate in the Maersk Alabama attack, some pirates warned that Americans would be targeted.

"It's a black day for us and also the Americans, but they lost bigger than us," a pirate who gave his name as Bile Hussein told the AP. "If they still want a solution and safety for their citizens in the oceans, let them release our men they arrested."

Just minutes before the news of the American deaths, a pirate who gave his name as Abdullahi Mohamed told AP by phone that if the yacht were attacked, "the hostages will be the first to go."

"Some pirates have even suggested rigging the yacht with land mines and explosives so as the whole yacht explodes with the first gunshot," said Mohamed, who claimed to be a friend of the pirates holding the four Americans.

The military said U.S. forces have been monitoring the Quest for about three days, since shortly after the Friday attack. Four Navy warships were involved, including the aircraft carrier USS Enterprise.

Mohamed, the pirate in Somalia, told AP that pirate leaders had been expecting the yacht to make landfall soon.

Five cars full of pirates were headed toward the pirate dens of Eyl and Gara'ad in anticipation of the Quest reaching land Monday, he said.

Had the Americans been brought ashore, they may have faced a long hostage ordeal like the 388 days the British sailing couple Paul and Rachel Chandler spent in the hands of pirates. The two were released in November.

"This incident is a clear message ... that it's time the world community quickly steps up to stop these pirate criminal activities. They should be treated mercilessly," said Gen. Yusuf Ahmed Khayr, the security minister in the northern Somalia region of Puntland, a pirate haven.

___

Associated Press writers Pauline Jelinek in Washington; Abdi Guled in Mogadishu, Somalia; and George Tibbits and Doug Esser in Seattle, contributed to this report.

[Meho Krljic]

A dok u Srbiji učenici tuku profesore, u Britaniji ih... truju????

Pupil held after teachers fall ill

A teenage schoolgirl has been arrested on suspicion of poisoning two teachers.

The teachers, from a school in Torbay, Devon, suffered stomach upsets but were not thought to have been seriously affected.

A kettle from the school's staff room has been sent for forensic examination.

Devon and Cornwall Police said a 17-year-old girl from Cullompton was arrested last week and has since been released on bail.

Det Con Steve Fleetwood said: "The inquiry centres on claims that an allegedly noxious substance may have been put in a kettle which caused two members of staff to fall ill with stomach problems.

"We later arrested a 17-year-old girl on suspicion of poisoning.

"She was questioned at Torquay on Thursday and then released on police bail pending further inquiries."

[Albedo 0]

Hollie Beston, God-Awful Human, Sentenced to 29 Years in Prison for Videotaping Obese Husband Raping 4-Year-Old Daughter

http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2011/02/hollie_beston_god-awful_human.php

[Albedo 0]

Charlie Sheen fired from 'Two and A Half Men'

So long, Charlie. Warner Bros. Television announced today that it has dropped the actor from its hit comedy Two and A Half Men. "After careful consideration, Warner Bros. Television has terminated Charlie Sheen's services from `Two and A Half Men' effective immediately," according to a studio statement.

No decision has been made on the future of comedy. CBS still has a deal in place with the studio for a ninth season of Men, which remains the most-watched comedy on television.

[pokojni Steva]

Stara vest, kasniš barem nedelju dana.

[Meho Krljic]

Užasna priča, čovek seksualno zlostavljao decu, koristeći hipnozu & nasilje, dobio 16 godina zatvora. Ono što meni dokonom pada u oči je da vest počinje rečju paedophile iako bi meni bilo prirodnije da piše "abuser" ili "rapist". Da li je vreme da se detabuizira pedofilija kao fenomen i da se pažnja okrene na ono što jeste problematično u vezi sa njim: zloupotreba, zlostavljanje, silovanje itd.?

[Anomander Rejk]

Strašan zemljotres u Japanu, među najačim u zadnjih 100 godina. Osetio se praktično na celom Pacifiku, sprema se i evakuacija ljudi na Havajima, Kurilskim ostrvima.
Kvar na japanskoj nuklearki izazvan zemljotresom, navodno stavljeno pod kontrolu.

[Ygg]

Uh! Ovaj cunami pravo zajeban!!!

Live coverage from BBC News:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12709598

[Mme Chauchat]

Užasna priča, čovek seksualno zlostavljao decu, koristeći hipnozu & nasilje, dobio 16 godina zatvora. Ono što meni dokonom pada u oči je da vest počinje rečju paedophile iako bi meni bilo prirodnije da piše "abuser" ili "rapist". Da li je vreme da se detabuizira pedofilija kao fenomen i da se pažnja okrene na ono što jeste problematično u vezi sa njim: zloupotreba, zlostavljanje, silovanje itd.?

Meho, jel sad idemo na neko dizanje bure kao onomad kad si branio ljude koje seksualno uzbuđuju slike leševa?
Da vidimo. Možeš li da zamisliš pedofilnu vezu u kojoj ne bi bilo "zloupotrebe, zlostavljanja i silovanja", čak i ako silovanje definišemo malo šire, kao seks sa osobom koja nije dovoljno psihički zrela da da punovažan pristanak?

[Meho Krljic]

Ne, ja sam više u fazonu da razgraničimo pojam pedofila, koji može da bude i hipotetički (pedofil sam u smislu da me uzbuđuju deca ali nikada ni jedno nisam dotakao niti nameravam) i nekoga ko zlostavlja decu (pa makar to zlostavljanje bilo i maženje itd. ili samo konsenzualan seks sa osobom mlađom od doba potrebnog za davanje pristanka). To jest, zgodnije je da se akcenat tu stavlja na prekršaj nego na seksualnu inklinaciju koja se ionako ne može promeniti.

Ali to ja tako, malo da talasam...

[lilit]

Ne, ja sam više u fazonu da razgraničimo pojam pedofila, koji može da bude i hipotetički (pedofil sam u smislu da me uzbuđuju deca ali nikada ni jedno nisam dotakao niti nameravam) ...

Heh, još samo kad bi mi kajndli elaborirao koliko je verovatno da prosečan Human Sapiens Sapiens, u svim situacijama tokom svog dugog života, drži seksualne nagone pod kontrolom, pa da nastavimo diskusiju. 

[Meho Krljic]

Pa, sad, nije to uvek samo crno-bela situacija. Danas se ljudi zato što imaju fotografije gole dece na računaru sumnjiče za pedofiliju, čak i ako su to njihova deca itd. Prilično je  uobičajen slučaj u kome neko ima uzgredan seksualni interes ka deci, to jest da svoj seksualni život uglavnom obavlja sa odraslima, a da povremeno fantazira o deci itd. (na primer, Japan kao prilično očigledan primer kako je ovo deo kulture), dakle da nikada ne prekrši ni zakon ni konvenciju. Takva osoba je i dalje pedofil po svom nagonu, barem delimično, ali nije kriminalac.

Valjda me vodi ono hrišćansko da treba voleti grešnika a nevoleti greh...

[lilit]

Er...i to je elaboracija? Znaš ti i bolje. 

[Meho Krljic]

Pa, nije mi cilj da ulazim u psihološke i biološke analize jer ovde pokušavam više da napravim socijalnu poentu. Grubo rečeno, problem nije u tome da čovek ima određenu inklinaciju - koju ionako ne može da promeni - nego u tome što se ponaša socijalno neprihvatljivo, što uglavom može da se "promeni", tj. predupredi. Ja bih se pre fokusirao na ono predupredivo i promenljivo nego na nepromenljivo.

[lilit]

Nije da me ne zanima kako bi izgledali mehanizmi predupredljivosti ? 

[Meho Krljic]

Pa može tu da bude svašta, od pomoći psihijatra ili verskog savetnika, preko animirane pornografije do hemijskih tretmana... Mislim, nemojmo se praviti da ja imam ceo plan u glavi i da mi samo treba povod da ga napišem...

[scallop]

Jebiga, Meho, a kako ti stojiš s decom? Zloupotreba je uvek zloupotreba, a zloupotreba nemoćnih je dvostruka zloupotreba i ne vidim zašto se delikt ne bi potcrtao. I ja imam na kompjuteru slike svojih unuka (žena slikala), pa mi se tresu gaće, ali ako zakon pravilno definiše delikt, onda ni idioti koji "brinu" o svima nama ne bi tako lako omašivali kao u slučaju Nastić. Da li je to blisko pameti?

[Meho Krljic]

Pa ti si upravo rekao sve što i ja: podcrtati delikt, ne karakter/ inklinaciju itd.

[Albedo 0]

da, pa na Novim kadrovima je počela slična rasprava o dječijoj pornografiji u Srpskom filmu, ali tako kao i u slučaju Nastić ispada da ono što bi moglo da pali pedofila tebe već diskvalifikuje kao zločinca.

Baš zato što sam delikt nije pravilno definisan pedofilski materijal može biti i svako golo čeljade koje se pojavilo u nekom filmu, od Varljivog leta do Ptice koje ne polete...

A tu je Meho lijepo izveo razliku između misli i djela, jednostavno se ne mogu kažnjavati misli, golo dijete je golo dijete, samo po sebi nije seksualni objekat, i ne može se neko unaprijed tretirati kao zločinac.

Čak se i Sokrat palio na klince, pa kasnije pričao svojim učenicima da je uspio da se suzdrži i razgovara sa dječakom o filozofiji. U tome i jeste poenta, Sokrat nije kriminalac. Martin Smith jeste.

[scallop]

Pa ti si upravo rekao sve što i ja: podcrtati delikt, ne karakter/ inklinaciju itd.

Ni nalik. Ja sam napisao da pedofilija kao poseban kriminalni akt u izvršenju treba da ima svoju zakonsku stavku, akt u nameri, valjda, nikom ne možeš dokazati. E, sad, drugo je pitanje šta bi kriminalni akt u izvršenju trebalo da podrazumeva. Gatanje u grah i nije neki argument.

I, da, primer "Srpskog filma": on sadrži nameru, da se, zbog plasmana, prekorači "granica".

[Albedo 0]

joj, sad ću morati da prepričavam čitavu raspravu, ali poenta je da je na filmu mnogo prije SF prekoračena granica, pa ja ne vidim kako Rambovi ratni zločini nisu prekoračenje, kako silovanje i dranje kože sa djevojaka u Jaganjcima nije prekoračenje, a plastična lutka u Srpskom filmu jeste?

Jer onda bi lijepo i filmske likove trebali da procesiramo kao zločince ako prekrše neki zakon, zašto bi tolerisali ubistvo a ne i pedofiliju na filmu? A pedofilija je u SFu negativno predstavljena.

[Meho Krljic]

Kako ni nalik??? Pa ja i pričam o aktu a ne o nečijoj prirodi.

[scallop]

Onda pricamo isto. Samo da se dogovorimo ko je plagijator.

[Meho Krljic]

Ja nisam protivan da podelimo autorstvo bratski.

[scallop]

Dogovoreno. Zajedno smo jači.

[Mme Chauchat]

Ne, ja sam više u fazonu da razgraničimo pojam pedofila, koji može da bude i hipotetički (pedofil sam u smislu da me uzbuđuju deca ali nikada ni jedno nisam dotakao niti nameravam) i nekoga ko zlostavlja decu (pa makar to zlostavljanje bilo i maženje itd. ili samo konsenzualan seks sa osobom mlađom od doba potrebnog za davanje pristanka). To jest, zgodnije je da se akcenat tu stavlja na prekršaj nego na seksualnu inklinaciju koja se ionako ne može promeniti.

Ali to ja tako, malo da talasam...

Pa dobro, ja jesam za to da se kažnjava delikt a ne inklinacija, kao i vas dvojica, ovo je bilo najviše u tom smislu da ne vidim kako da nekog nazovem pedofilom ako nije delovao na tom polju. Određivanje inklinacije prema eventualnim izjavama (a ko se još osim Nabokova deklarisao kao "teorijski naklonjen mlađim maloletnicima" a da nije otišao u zatvor?) nagađanjima i fazama punog meseca ne važi. Dakle: za mene je pedofil onaj ko spava sa decom, i njega treba u zatvor. Ako počnemo da širimo definiciju na sklonosti itd, onda možemo i da poverujemo svima onima koji tvrde da su biseksualci, a samo da bi ispali zanimljiviji suprotnom polu.
E da, ova priča o nerealizovanim sklonostima se neposredno nadovezuje na raspravu o konzumaciji dečje pornografije, ako se takva ikad ovde vodila... pa da stanem sa ovim postom dok nisam navukla snage reda na ovaj forum.

[Meho Krljic]

Da, pa sve to je više tema za jednu širu raspravu: šta je homoseksualac, šta je heteroseksualac (biseksualac, gerontofil, pedofil, zoofil, dendrofil itd.), da li ih definišu dela ili nagoni? Da li je heteroseksialac neko ko oseća heteroseksualnu želju ali nikada nije imao seks sa drugom osobom itd...

[lilit]

Pa dobro, ja jesam za to da se kažnjava delikt a ne inklinacija, kao i vas dvojica, ovo je bilo najviše u tom smislu da ne vidim kako da nekog nazovem pedofilom ako nije delovao na tom polju. Određivanje inklinacije prema eventualnim izjavama (a ko se još osim Nabokova deklarisao kao "teorijski naklonjen mlađim maloletnicima" a da nije otišao u zatvor?) nagađanjima i fazama punog meseca ne važi. Dakle: za mene je pedofil onaj ko spava sa decom, i njega treba u zatvor. Ako počnemo da širimo definiciju na sklonosti itd, onda možemo i da poverujemo svima onima koji tvrde da su biseksualci, a samo da bi ispali zanimljiviji suprotnom polu.
E da, ova priča o nerealizovanim sklonostima se neposredno nadovezuje na raspravu o konzumaciji dečje pornografije, ako se takva ikad ovde vodila... pa da stanem sa ovim postom dok nisam navukla snage reda na ovaj forum.

Er...ali ovo je valjda bila podrazumevajuća premisa i u momentu kad je Mehan napisao ovaj post:

Užasna priča, čovek seksualno zlostavljao decu, koristeći hipnozu & nasilje, dobio 16 godina zatvora. Ono što meni dokonom pada u oči je da vest počinje rečju paedophile iako bi meni bilo prirodnije da piše "abuser" ili "rapist". Da li je vreme da se detabuizira pedofilija kao fenomen i da se pažnja okrene na ono što jeste problematično u vezi sa njim: zloupotreba, zlostavljanje, silovanje itd.?

Te me u tom smislu interesovalo da li su Mehovi predlozi za prevenciju, koju je neophodno sistemski implementirati pre "detabuiziranja pedofilije" (složićemo se da dilujemo s ljudskim rodom), išta više od pukog salonskog teoretisanja. 

[Meho Krljic]

Pa, ja uvek salonski teretišem, ne bi mi dali da to radim ni na jedan drugi način... tvrde da nemam te njihove... diplome i da nisam išao u... škole.

[scallop]

Mda, na tom mestu se malo manje slažemo, ali pošto smo podelili plen i teret, medicinska i pravna nomenklatura bi morale da budu usklađene, svaka sa svojim ingerencijama. Što ne znači da popu ne treba reći - pop, već da mu ne treba reći - bob. I, nažalost, tu ne može da važi da čitanje jelovnika ne podrazumeva krkanje. U zakonu ponude i potražnje, čitanje jelovnika podstrekava pisce jelovnika, a to je, priznaćete, već delikt u aktivnom pokušaju. Kad uđeš u vrzino kolo, onda si u vrzinom kolu. Na isti način, ne razumem zašto je ubistvo iz nehata u pijanom stanju olakšavajuća okolnost. Šljemanjem svako unapred preuzima na sebe odgovornost za sve što i toga proistekne, tako i pedofil koji pravi internet kolekciju. Sumnjam da tu ima prste lobi proizvođača alkoholnih pića. Svih drugih analogija se odričem.

Kao Meho, tako sam i ja u kulinarstvu - sa lonac.

[lilit]

Heh, Skalope, pošto i ja isključivo salonski teoretišem, moram napomenuti da si i sam pristalica: podcrtati delikt, ne karakter/ inklinaciju teorije. 
A još bih da dodam da meni u potencijalno realnoj situaciji zakon i ne bi bio potreban, klanje zubima bi odradilo posao. Ovo bi mogla biti priča s naslovom: Kako imanje dece upropasti nekad cool-karijatidno-palamudnu ličnost. 

[Father Jape]

Evo, sort of apropo:

Vicious Assault Shakes Texas Town

i

Gang Rape Story Lacked Balance

(mada ovo je vise za Amerika na ivici propasti)

[scallop]

Heh, Skalope, pošto i ja isključivo salonski teoretišem, moram napomenuti da si i sam pristalica: podcrtati delikt, ne karakter/ inklinaciju teorije. 
A još bih da dodam da meni u potencijalno realnoj situaciji zakon i ne bi bio potreban, klanje zubima bi odradilo posao. Ovo bi mogla biti priča s naslovom: Kako imanje dece upropasti nekad cool-karijatidno-palamudnu ličnost. 

Lilit, pusti me da jednom budem na istoj strani sa Mehom. 

[lilit]

Pa ja bih, ali ne vidim da je to realno moguće. 

[Meho Krljic]

Utoliko gore po realnost.

[scallop]

Vidite, dok salonci saloniraju, previđaju opake stvari koje se dešavaju u Japanu. Izgleda da su tamo potcenili mother Nature, sa svojim samopouzdanjem u bezbedne tehnologije. Big Mama mrdne guzicom za jedan santimetar i sva civilizacija se uzdrma. Ne vidim ni da neko primećuje opsežan pad tamošnje mobilne telefonije. Kad ja razmatram moguću katastrofu najpre posmatram pad komunikacije. Niko da izvuče paralelu šta se događa sa državama kad dostignu dimenzije "deset dana jahanja". Jebem ja tu civilizacijsku politiku kad se godinama trtlja o Černobilju, zaboravi na krizu sa NE "Pet milja" (dodajte nekoliko, manje-više), a sad, ovu japansku kako da pripišemo Akihitu?

[Melkor]

Uf! http://www.abc.net.au/news/events/japan-quake-2011/beforeafter.htm

[lilit]

Vidite, dok salonci saloniraju, previđaju opake stvari koje se dešavaju u Japanu. Izgleda da su tamo potcenili mother Nature, sa svojim samopouzdanjem u bezbedne tehnologije. Big Mama mrdne guzicom za jedan santimetar i sva civilizacija se uzdrma. Ne vidim ni da neko primećuje opsežan pad tamošnje mobilne telefonije. Kad ja razmatram moguću katastrofu najpre posmatram pad komunikacije. Niko da izvuče paralelu šta se događa sa državama kad dostignu dimenzije "deset dana jahanja". Jebem ja tu civilizacijsku politiku kad se godinama trtlja o Černobilju, zaboravi na krizu sa NE "Pet milja" (dodajte nekoliko, manje-više), a sad, ovu japansku kako da pripišemo Akihitu?

Da, ali ja ne bih rekla da su Japanci sve ovo dočekali nespremno, tj. ne mislim da bi iko na planeti bio spremniji od njih. Imajući u vidu obim katastrofe, kao i to da u Japanu živi 127 miliona ljudi (cirka 333 po kvadratnom metru), 2000 mrtvih mi dođe kao državni uspeh.

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Pa, nemoj da kažeš. Sada je već preko 10.000 mrtvih, and counting. Nuklearne elektrane na Vatrenoj liniji! Zar to nije preterano samopouzdanje? Jebote, bolje Hari Krišna nego Hari Kiri.

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Jbg, to se menja iz časa u čas. Sad je već 11.000.

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Pogledaj Melkorov link. Niko tamo ne stiže da broji obrisana sela. Ta mala mesta izgledaju kao obala Indonezije posle velikog cunamija.

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Pogledala sam kad je postavio. Impresivni snimci horora.
Ali ipak mislim da se Japanci dobro snalaze. Možda do sutra promenim mišljenje. 

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Zemljotres su spremno docekali. Relativno malo unistenja i zrtava, mislim, je od samog zemljotresa. Drugo pitanje je koliko iko moze da bude spreman na 10m cunami sa 10m upozorenja.

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... ja ne bih rekla da su Japanci sve ovo dočekali nespremno, tj. ne mislim da bi iko na planeti bio spremniji od njih. Imajući u vidu obim katastrofe, kao i to da u Japanu živi 127 miliona ljudi (cirka 333 po kvadratnom metru), 2000 mrtvih mi dođe kao državni uspeh.

fenomenalno spremni. 40 godina stara nuklearka na obali izlozenoj najjacim potresima i redovnim tsunamijima. bas na toj strani gdje je godzilla.

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sad i reaktor numero 3
NTV: Hydrogen blast at Fukushima nuclear plant's number 3 reactor

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I dalje u Japanu:

2nd explosion at stricken Japan nuclear plant

By ERIC TALMADGE and SHINO YUASA, Associated Press Eric Talmadge And Shino Yuasa, Associated Press – 43 mins ago
SOMA, Japan – The second hydrogen explosion in three days rocked Japan's stricken Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear plant Monday, sending a massive column of smoke into the air and wounding 11 workers. Hours later, the U.S. said it had shifted its offshore forces away from the plant after detecting low-level radioactive contamination.

The aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan was about 100 miles (160 kilometers) offshore when it detected the radiation, which U.S. officials said was about the same as one month's normal exposure to natural background radiation.

It was not clear if the radiation had leaked during the Monday explosion. That blast was felt 25 miles (40 kilometers) away, but the plant's operator said radiation levels at the reactor were still within legal limits.

The explosion at the plant's Unit 3, which authorities have been frantically trying to cool after a system failure in the wake of Friday's massive earthquake and tsunami, triggered an order for hundreds of people to stay indoors, said Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano. The two disasters left at least 10,000 people dead.

Operators knew an explosion was a possibility as they struggled to reduce pressure inside the reactor containment vessel, but apparently felt they had no choice if they wanted to avoid a complete meltdown. In the end, the hydrogen in the released steam mixed with oxygen in the atmosphere and set off the blast.

Tokyo Electric Power Co., which operates the plant, said radiation levels at Unit 3 were well under the levels where a nuclear operator must file a report to the government.

On Saturday, a similar explosion took place at the plant's Unit 1, injuring four workers and causing mass evacuations.

Shortly after the Monday explosion, Tokyo Electric warned it had lost the ability to cool Unit 2. Takako Kitajima, a company official, said plant workers were preparing to inject seawater into the unit to cool the reactor, a move that could lead to an explosion there as well.

Japan begins to dig for dead amid nuclear crisis

By JAY ALABASTER and TODD PITMAN, Associated Press Jay Alabaster And Todd Pitman, Associated Press – 14 mins ago
TAKAJO, Japan – Rescue workers used chain saws and hand picks Monday to dig out bodies in Japan's devastated coastal towns, as Asia's richest nation faced a mounting humanitarian, nuclear and economic crisis in the aftermath of a massive earthquake and tsunami that likely killed thousands.

Millions of people spent a third night without water, food or heating in near-freezing temperatures along the devastated northeastern coast. Meanwhile, a third reactor at a nuclear power plant lost its cooling capacity, raising fears of a meltdown, while the stock market plunged over the likelihood of huge losses by Japanese industries including big names such as Toyota and Honda.

A Japanese police official said 1,000 washed up bodies were found scattered Monday across the coastline of Miyagi prefecture. The official declined to be named, citing department policy.

The discovery raised the official death toll to about 2,800 but the Miyagi police chief has said that more than 10,000 people are estimated to have died in his province alone, which has a population of 2.3 million.

Friday's double-headed tragedy has caused unimaginable deprivation for people of this industrialized country that has not seen such hardships since World War II. In many areas there is no running water, no power and four- to five-hour waits for gasoline. People are suppressing hunger with instant noodles or rice balls while dealing with the loss of loved ones and homes.

"People are surviving on little food and water. Things are simply not coming," said Hajime Sato, a government official in Iwate prefecture, one of the three hardest hit.

He said authorities were receiving just 10 percent of the food and other supplies they need. Even body bags and coffins are running so short the government may turn to foreign funeral homes for help, he said.

"We have requested funeral homes across the nation to send us many body bags and coffins. But we simply don't have enough," he told The Associated Press. "We just did not expect such a thing to happen. It's just overwhelming."

The pulverized coast has been hit by more than 150 aftershocks since Friday, the latest one a 6.2 magnitude quake that was followed by a new tsunami scare Monday. Abandoning their search operations, soldiers told residents of the devastated shoreline in Soma, the worst hit town in Fukushima prefecture, to run to higher ground.

Sirens wailed and soldiers barked out orders: "Find high ground! Get out of here!" Several uniformed soldiers were seen leading an old woman up a muddy hillside. The warning turned out to be a false alarm.

Search parties arrived in Soma for the first time since Friday to dig out bodies. Ambulances stood by and body bags were laid out in an area cleared of debris, as firefighters used hand picks and chain saws to clear an indescribable jumble of broken timber, plastic sheets, roofs, sludge, twisted cars, tangled powerlines and household goods.

Helicopters buzzed overhead, surveying the destruction that spanned the horizon. Ships were flipped over near roads, a half mile (a kilometer) inland. Officials said one-third of the city of 38,000 people was flooded and thousands were missing.

According to officials, more than 2,800 people have been confirmed dead — including the 1,000 bodies found Monday — and more than 1,400 were missing. Another 1,900 were injured.

"I'm giving up hope," said Hajime Watanabe, 38, a construction industry worker, who was the first in line at a closed gas station in Sendai, about 60 miles (100 kilometers) north of Soma. Just then, an emergency worker came over and told him that if the station opens at all, it would pump gasoline only to emergency teams and essential government workers.

"I never imagined we would be in such a situation" Watanabe said. "I had a good life before. Now we have nothing. No gas, no electricity, no water."

He said he was surviving with his family on 60 half-liter bottles of water his wife had stored in case of emergencies like this. He walked two hours to find a convenience store that was open and waited in line to buy dried ramen noodles.

The government has sent 100,000 troops to spearhead the aid effort. It has sent 120,000 blankets, 120,000 bottles of water and 29,000 gallons (110,000 liters) of gasoline plus food to the affected areas. However electricity would take days to restore.

At least 1.4 million households had gone without water since the quake struck and some 1.9 million households were without electricity. According to public broadcaster NHK, some 310,000 people are living in emergency shelters or with relatives. Another 24,000 people are stranded, it said.

One reason for the loss of power is the damage to at least three nuclear reactors at the Fukushima Dai-ichi power plant. One by one, each reactor has lost the ability to cool down, the latest on Monday. Explosions have destroyed the containment buildings of the other two reactors.

Operators dumped seawater into the two reactors in a last-ditch attempt to cool their super-heated containers that faced possible meltdown. If that happens, they could release radioactive material in the air.

But Japan's Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano said the reactor's inner containment vessel holding the nuclear fuel rods was intact, allaying some fears of the risk to the environment. The containment vessel of the first reactor is also safe, according to officials.

Still, people within a 12-mile (20-kilometer) radius were ordered to stay inside homes following the blast. AP journalists felt Monday's explosion 25 miles (40 kilometers) away.

The U.S. 7th Fleet, which deployed ships and aircraft to Japan to provide relief, moved away from the coast after discovering low-level radioactive contamination from a plume of smoke and steam released during the blasts.

But the fleet said the dose of radiation was about the same as one month's normal exposure to natural background radiation in the environment.

More than 180,000 people have evacuated the area in recent days, and up to 160 may have been exposed to radiation after the first blast.

Also, Tokyo Electric Power held off on imposing rolling blackouts planned for Monday, but called for people to try to limit electricity use.

Edano said the utility was still prepared to go ahead with power rationing if necessary. The decision reflected an understanding of the profound inconveniences many would experience.

Many regional train lines were suspended or operating on a limited schedule to help reduce the power load.

The planned blackouts of about three hours each were meant to help make up for a severe shortfall after key nuclear plants were left inoperable due to the earthquake and tsunami.

Japan's central bank injected 15 trillion yen (US$184 billion) into money markets Monday to stem worries about the world's third-largest economy.

Stocks fell Monday on the first business day after the disasters. The benchmark Nikkei 225 stock average shed nearly 634 points, or 6.2 percent, to 9,620.49, extending losses from Friday. Escalating concerns over the fallout of the disaster triggered a plunge that hit all sectors. The broader Topix index lost 7.5 percent.

Japan's economy has been ailing for 20 years, barely managing to eke out weak growth between slowdowns. It is saddled by a massive public debt that, at 200 percent of gross domestic product, is the biggest among industrialized nations.

Preliminary estimates put repair costs from the earthquake and tsunami in the tens of billions of dollars — a huge blow for an already fragile economy that lost its place as the world's No. 2 to China last year.

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Pitman reported from Sendai. Associated Press writers Kelly Olsen in Koriyama and Malcolm J. Foster, Mari Yamaguchi, Tomoko A. Hosaka and Shino Yuasa in Tokyo contributed to this report.

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Taj Mijagi policajac je, zapravo, izjavio da samo u mestu od 17.000 stanovnika ima 10.000 žrtava. Taj kraj direktno prekoputa epicentra je bukvalno "opran". Na NYT sam video tsunami na tom delu, to je strašno.