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Josephine

Sve je to tako tužno... A kod mene se tuga često manifestuje besom.

Josephine

Quote from: Melkor on 08-01-2012, 19:32:18
Is Sherlock sexist? Steven Moffat's wanton women

In Moffat's hands the power of Irene Adler, Sherlock Holmes's female adversary, was sexual, not intellectual. A regressive step
Quoteyou've got to worry when a woman comes off worse in 2012 than in 1891.
In many ways the Holmes stories are a perfect fit for Moffat's skill-set. The puzzle-box plotting, the 24/7 bromance, the fetishisation of "masculine" reason over pesky "feminine" emotion,
Quotehe allowed her to keep her smarts. But, at the same time, her acumen and agency were undermined every which way. Not-so-subtly channelling the spirit of the predatory femme fatal, Adler's power became, in Moffat's hands, less a matter of brains, and more a matter of knowing "what men like" and how to give it to them
Mogu da se složim. Nemam ništa protiv prikaza žene u filmu/seriji kao seksi domine ako je u funkciji priče, ali u kontekstu Šerloka Holmsa i Irene Adler prosto je jadno i degradira oba lika istovremeno.

Jedan broj ljudi seksualnost vidi dublje, kroz telo (koje igra bitnu ulogu, naravno) u intelektu i duhovnosti. Šerlok je intelektualni tip, on ne želi da izdominira dominu na emotivnom planu, on želi da pobedi ravnopravnu "suparnicu" na intelektualnom.

Pri tom Ireni ta sposobnost da parira čuvenom detektivu ne oduzima na seksipilu. Naprotiv. U pitanju jeste seksualna igra kroz intelekt. Ne klasično suparništvo, već strastvena kompeticija.

Ali ko bi to razumeo u današnjem površnom svetu, izgrađenom na utabanim stazama navika i stereotipa?

Josephine

A takođe iritira činjenica da je muškarac koji manifestuje hladnu racionalnost - poželjan, njemu se ne zamera hladnoća, on je uzvišeni genije. Kada je žena hladna, logična i racionalna u istim situacijama gde i muškarac, ona je, za većinu, proračunata kučka.  :roll:

Zakk će mi opet suditi  faul na konto hladne logike, pa da ne dužim dalje.  :lol:

mac

Gde ti je ta žena koja voli hladne i racionalne? Imam nešto da je priupitam...

Josephine

Ma daj, mac... Svako je strastven, manje ili više. Neki to koče iz vekovnog uverenja po navici da racionalnost i emocija ne idu zajedno (pa racio pridaju muškarcima, a emociju ženama; i onda ja budem hladna i logična u konverzaciji, isključim emociju (što me je debata naučila i hvala joj) i odmah mi se udeljuje faul jer se nisam ponašala kao emotivna ženka, što mi priliči, jel), a neki ne pokazuju u javnosti.

A postoje i različite vrste strasti. Strast ka logici i matematici je jedna vrsta. :)

Meho Krljic

Ma, Mac te zapravo stvarno pita gde je ta koja voli hladne i racionalne jer smatra da bi ta umela da ceni njegov naučni, razložni um (i izazovno telo, naravno, ali on smatra da mu to nije najjači adut).

Josephine

Pa da. I ja sam odgovorila da sam ja ta. U stvari.  :mrgreen:  I da ih ima još. :)

Meho Krljic

Dakle, nudiš mu se za životnu družbenicu? Ili makar za strastvenu erotsku avanturu? Samo da bude jasno.

Josephine

Eh, da je nešto trebalo da kvrcne između maca i mene - kvrcnulo bi dosad. :) Valjda...

mac

Meni moja religija od jednog čoeka brani da se mešam sa osobama visine bitno različite od moje, ako se pored vodoravnog posmatra i bilo koji drugi položaj tela.

Josephine

Pazi, ja nisam niska, što znači da si ti mnooogo visok.  :lol:

Ne valja ti religija, niske devojke vole hladne i racionalne tipove.  :lol:

Savajat Erp

А можда је Мак у ствари низак? :) :) :)
Niste mi verovali da ću da pucam?!
ZAŠTO MI NISTE VEROVALI?!!!!

Melkor

"Realism is a literary technique no longer adequate for the purpose of representing reality."

lilit

meni ova irena adler savršena, a tekst potpuno maši suštinu. :(
That's how it is with people. Nobody cares how it works as long as it works.

Josephine

Meni je sva nesigurna i bljutava. Uopšte nema harizmu... :(

Melkor

"Realism is a literary technique no longer adequate for the purpose of representing reality."

Meho Krljic

Argh, upravo sam došao na topik da okačim isti link.  :cry:

Melkor

Quote from: Meho Krljic on 19-01-2012, 14:59:10
Argh, upravo sam došao na topik da okačim isti link.  :cry:

It's all in the wrist :-)
"Realism is a literary technique no longer adequate for the purpose of representing reality."

Josephine

Quote from: Melkor on 19-01-2012, 13:36:18
http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-7-most-baffling-things-about-womens-clothes/

Sve je istina!

Od svega me najviše nerviraju fejk džepovi (obožavam džepove!) i nemogućnost da kupim običnu t-shirt majicu, a da nije preuska ili preširoka!

Melkor

Mada, samo da primetim, ne da ce nesto da ti bude lakse, i muska garderoba je posla cudnim putevima i postalo je relativno tesko naci i obuci se u normalnu garderobu. Debeli muskarci znaju zasto. :-)
"Realism is a literary technique no longer adequate for the purpose of representing reality."

Josephine

Modna industrija diktira potrebe većine... Manjina ima sama da šije!!

Melkor

Ali ako se osvrnes oko sebe videces da vecina nije bas najbolje pazila na diktatu.
"Realism is a literary technique no longer adequate for the purpose of representing reality."

Josephine

Pa ne znam, čini mi se da jeste... Moja odeća jeste tanka!  :cry: I uvek mi je hladno! Sad znam i zašto! (to znači da i ja spadam u većinu).  :lol:

Hiperhik

D. , gore duks + M65, dole Billabong casual jeans i Magnum boots; bog da te vidi.

Nema ladnoce.

Meni uspeva, godinama. Da ne kazem bas - decenijama.. :wink:

Josephine


Hiperhik


Savajat Erp

Quote from: Melkor on 19-01-2012, 16:00:31
Mada, samo da primetim, ne da ce nesto da ti bude lakse, i muska garderoba je posla cudnim putevima i postalo je relativno tesko naci i obuci se u normalnu garderobu. Debeli muskarci znaju zasto. :-)


О, да...све нешто танко и уско! :)

Када сам за сестрину свадбу хтео да узмем неко одело, лик у продавници ми је рекао да "нисам италијански грађен"....и уз мој пристанак наручио шире моделе за следећу недељу...али сам ипак после многих перипетија нашао сако и панталоне на другом месту...up yours, Миљане! *

*-тако се звао продавац, не мислим на Миљана Марковића овдашњег :)
Niste mi verovali da ću da pucam?!
ZAŠTO MI NISTE VEROVALI?!!!!

Melkor

"Realism is a literary technique no longer adequate for the purpose of representing reality."

Josephine

Quote from: Melkor on 19-01-2012, 23:22:13
Meghalaya, India: Where women rule, and men are suffragettes

QuoteWe just want to bring the men up to where the women are.

Podržavam!

Mada je, za promenu, ovo osvešćujuće čuti:

"If it's a girl, there will be great cheers from the family outside. If it's a boy, you will hear them mutter politely that, 'Whatever God gives us is quite all right.'"

Melkor

E, a pazi sad ovo:

Starbuck's Got A Gun (and A Cigar): Gender in Battlestar Galactica  Emily Asher-Perrin     The original Battlestar Galactica never quite felt like military SF to me, in the same way that it was hard to take in the military aspects of Star Wars. The characters were certainly part of an active military force, they had ranks and uniforms and followed orders, but that never led to a pervasive feeling militarism within the universe.
On the other hand, there is absolutely no question that Ron Moore's 2004 re-imagining of Battlestar Galactica is hard-hitting military SF. And perhaps one of the more notable aspects of the series was that Moore chose to recreate that landscape with women at the heart of it.
   The gender politics of Battlestar Galactica are fascinating in that... there are none. At least, not in the way that today's society discusses them. While you can make arguments based on the positions of certain characters or how they conduct themselves according to gender stereotypes, that has to do with how the characters are written. I am talking about the way that Colonial society views men and women and their positions within culture. And it seems as though those labels that we are constantly applying to men and women are not in use within the BSG universe.
We never saw people question President Roslin for making emotional decisions that "no man would ever make." Dualla wasn't kept away from combat situations because she was "fragile" or "delicate." No one ever told Starbuck that she was unfit for command because she was "hysterical." The men in the Colonial military didn't edge around female officers, nor did they harass them any differently than they did each other. Their hotshot pilot was a woman, but nothing about Starbuck's character (or defects) was ever considered to be the product of her chromosomes. In fact, when Colonel Tigh confronted Starbuck in an attempt to reconcile their hostility toward each other, he boiled it down to a completely gender-neutral problem: he felt that his flaws were purely personal and hers had to do with acting professionally. (Of course, this isn't true either, but we're not here to discuss Tigh's multitude of hangups.)
Often when fiction addresses oppression, there are two ways of handling it: the fictional world either shows you just how difficult it is to be oppressed (i.e. the women of the Song of Ice and Fire series), or an alternate reality is created in which these problems are balanced very differently (i.e. the power wielded by the Bene Gesserit of the Dune novels). But Battlestar Galactica isn't bothering to tread that ground at all. It is instead offering a reality in which these harmful stereotypes probably never existed. It doesn't offer an explanation, or attempt to guide us to that place through example. It simply functions, just as it is. Because of that, it might be an easy aspect to overlook in the series, if you don't take into account how many women hold high positions of power throughout.
The lack of well-worn gender commentary was almost startling when it began. I can recall being surprised that no one ever insisted that Starbuck was simply "one of the boys," playing hard to be treated like a man. On the other end of the spectrum, none of the male characters were called out for "weakness" when they displayed compassion. You were left with the impression that in Colonial culture, people were expected to act according to their natures, regardless of gender. That didn't mean that you could avoid getting chewed out by your commanding officer when you screwed up, but it did mean that the go-to insult was never "get rid of those frilly panties and start acting like a real man."
The character relationships only reflected that choice, and were richer because of it. Starbuck and Helo always had each others backs, but not because they were trying to hide all the burgeoning sexual tension between them — they were true best friends. Saul and Ellen Tigh were equally culpable in their destructive marriage. While William Adama was the commander of the Colonial military forces, he ended up making all of his decisions in conjuction with Laura Roslin. And though Adama had a son who he loved, all of his hopes and expectations were placed on Starbuck, not Lee. Truth is, the parable was swapped in BSG — Bill Adama had a prodigal daughter.
In fact, the only man on Battlestar Galactica who did have a tendency to treat women as objects paid dearly for his mistakes. As in, you know, he kind of caused the near-obliteration of his entire species. (Yeah, Gaius Baltar, that's definitely you. Well, you and Brother Caval. He paid for it too, by the end.)
That doesn't mean that BSG was perfect in its depiction of women, but then, perfect depiction is not really something that I think an audience can reasonably expect in this day and age. We live in a time when it is still common for the entertainment industry to include the token female character (maybe you'll be lucky and get two of them). It made Battlestar Galactica, with its gender-balanced cast and female characters pulling all of the important strings, a real pleasure to watch while it was on the air.
"Realism is a literary technique no longer adequate for the purpose of representing reality."

Josephine

E, čitala sam ovo ranije. Svakako, svakako. Retka serija što se polno/rodnog "razdvajanja" tiče. Ljudi, ne polovi. Sex i emocije privatna su stvar. U javnom životu svi su jednaki. Da, da. :)

Melkor

Ok, tu se svi slazemo. Ali, sta, pogotovo u kontekstu ovog teksta, znaci:

QuoteThat doesn't mean that BSG was perfect in its depiction of women, but then, perfect depiction is not really something that I think an audience can reasonably expect in this day and age.

Cemu potreba da se ipak naglasi u zakljucku kako zene nisu savrseno prikazane? Ne da sad nesto zelim da te prozivam, samo me zbunilo takvo neuklapanje u ostatak teksta.
"Realism is a literary technique no longer adequate for the purpose of representing reality."

Josephine

Ta otkud znam, pitaj autorku? :)  Očito je njen lični stav u pitanju.

Vidi, moje je iskustvo da muškarci, čak i produhovljeni, odbijaju da vide neke realne činjenice vezane za položaj žena u društvu, negirajući nejednak tretman i pronalazeći sulude razloge (snaga i žustrina, na primer?) zašto su žene lošiji vozači (?).

Ja sam jednom patrijarhat (ili ono što je ostalo od njega, jer je istina da je danas slabiji nego nekad) definisala kao nevidljivi zid. Ko treba da ga oseti o njega udara (neke žene), ostali ga prosto ne vide (neki muškarci). I tu nema pomoći - ženama se negira neravnopravnost koju one osećaju, žive, inkorporiraju, i dokazivanje nefer tretmana je dugo i mukotrpno. I ponekad uvredljivo za (neke) muškarce, kojima je teško da takvo nešto priznaju.

I greška je da se u nejednakom tretmanu postavlja stav "različiti smo, i treba tako da bude". Različiti da - ali po osobinama, emocijama, fizičkoj snazi... nezavisno od pola ili roda. A i to "različiti smo" mnogi poistovećuju sa "nejednaki smo".

Savršenstvo u prikazivanju žena postojaće kada ne budemo imali potrebu da o tome pišemo i diskutujemo, jer će pojava biti normalna i svakodnevna. Pretpostavljam da je na to autorka mislila. :)

Melkor

Ok, samo me je podsetilo da Kartaginu treba razoriti.
"Realism is a literary technique no longer adequate for the purpose of representing reality."

Josephine

Ma feminizam nije u suprotstavljanju, već u saradnji. A sistem sada već šljaka nezavisno od ljudi. Pisala sam već o tome. To je ono štancovanje identiteta na rođenju, ubacivanje u sistem.


lilit

That's how it is with people. Nobody cares how it works as long as it works.

Josephine

Ne, ne, samo ne b92 život!!!

Ma da, istraživanje sprovela kompanija za proizvodnju preparata za mršavljenje. Za lepo telo potreban je napor, ali ne i ako koristite naše preparate?

Mislim, kolika je inteligencija u novinara je potrebna da prevedeni/pokradeni članak ne shvati ozbiljno?  :roll:  Ovaj tekst navodi ljude na pogrešan trag, nanosi štetu, ali novinar ima originalan izvor, on bi trebalo da skapira...


lilit

sjajna linija, ja bih rekla.
That's how it is with people. Nobody cares how it works as long as it works.

Melkor

dobih mail... od muskarca :)

Zašto muškarci imaju jedan gen više nego što ih imaju konji?
Zato, da kada peru auto, ne piju vodu iz kante...

Što čini žena kada vidi da će joj muž skočiti kroz prozor?
Doda mu smeće, da ga ponese ...

Što je loše u tome, ako se dva muškarca sa 150 km/sat zalete s
autom u betonski zid?
Loša iskoristivost prostora...moglo ih je 5 stati u auto...

*Kako glasi naslov najtanje knjige na svijetu?
"Sve što muškarac zna o ženama"*

Što se može zaključiti kada vidite dobro odjevenog muškarca?
Da mu žena ima ukusa po pitanju izbora odjeće...

Što je dokaz tome, da su bajke čista izmišljotina?
Jer je princ uvijek pametan, mlad i bogat samac...

Koji je najbrži put do srca muškarca?
Oštrim nožem kroz sredinu prsa...

Kada muškarci stoje uspravno?
Kada im je cuga na gornjoj polici u kuhinji...

Koja je razlika između jogurta i muškarca?
Jogurt ima barem neku kulturu....

Kako se zove muškarac koji je izgubio 90% rasuđivanja?
Udovac...****

"Realism is a literary technique no longer adequate for the purpose of representing reality."

Josephine

Ovo je prosto zlo.  :mrgreen:

tomat

Arguing on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics: even if you win, you're still retarded.

Josephine

 :)

Bože, kako mnogi ovde imaju pogrešnu sliku o meni.

Meho Krljic

O tebi? Zar nisam ovo ja na slici???








Hvala, hvala, biću ovde celo veče  :lol:

Josephine

 xrofl
Evo ti još jedan gej poljubac:
xremyb

Meho Krljic

         Girl Who Outsmarted Alleged Kidnapper: 'I Got my Fight From Daddy' 
Quote
A 9-year-old girl is getting credit for her quick thinking and for speaking up after managing to escape from her alleged kidnapper last week.
Calysta Cordova was reported missing Thursday afternoon by her mother when she didn't come home from school. Authorities believed she was abducted on her walk home and issued an Amber Alert.
"My baby girl always walks through my door at 3:21 p.m. I noticed something was wrong, when she was nine minutes late...I called everyone, I panicked," said Steven Ryno, Calysta's stepfather.
"We must find her, that was the main thing that was kicking through our head. It is getting late, it is getting dark, it is getting cold, and I know my baby is hungry," said Ryno, recounting the incident.
Calysta was found safe Friday at the Circle K convenience store in Colorado Springs, according to ABC News' Denver affiliate KMGH. Colorado Springs police spokeswoman Barbara Miller told KMGH that authorities believe Calysta was in a car with 29-year-old suspect Jose Garcia when the car broke down.
A passerby picked them up and drove them to the Circle K convenience store, police said. There, Calysta ran into the store and asked for a phone, saying she wanted to call her uncle. Instead, she called 911.
When asked how she found the strength to do what she did, Calysta said in an exclusive interview with "Good Morning America," that she "got my fight from Daddy."
Calysta said her father taught her "to stand up for myself."
"She had two black eyes, bruises on her cheek," witness Efrin Villapondo told KMGH. "She was in bad shape. The bruise on her face was enormous."
When Garcia entered the store, Calysta defiantly refused to go anywhere with him, yelling, "I'm not going anywhere with you. I'm waiting for my mom," according to police.
"She looked at me, pointed into my eyes and just said, 'I ain't going nowhere. I'm waiting right here for my momma. I looked at the guy, he looked at me, into my eyes, spun around and just high-tailed it out of there," said Efrin Villapando, a witness.
Garcia took off on foot before police arrived. Calysta was transported to Memorial Hospital to be treated for her injuries.
Garcia was found at a bus stop in downtown Colorado Springs, about 7.5 miles south of the convenience store where they had been dropped off.
KMGH was on-scene when Calysta's mother Stephanie Cordova discovered her daughter had been found safe. As the family shrieked and cried with joy, Cordova took a moment to thank all the family's supporters.
"Thank God. Thank you for everybody who watched, who kept an eye out for my daughter and brought her home," Cordova said, crying. "Thank you for your kindness, for putting yourselves in our shoes and bringing my daughter home."



Boban

Quote from: D. on 23-01-2012, 19:40:38
:)

Bože, kako mnogi ovde imaju pogrešnu sliku o meni.

Pa stavi nešto ovako na avatar, da ljudima odmah bude jasno o čemu se radi... ratnice, koliko god jake bile, ipak pre ili kasnije budu posmatrane samo kao telo.
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